The Michael Knowles Show - Kandahar Giant, Government Coverup, & The Occult: Michael & The Rogue Archeologist | Tim Alberino

Episode Date: February 8, 2026

Dive deep into the unknown with Michael Knowles and renowned explorer and researcher Timothy Alberino in this riveting episode. Timothy Alberino breaks down two of the most chilling modern mysteries:�� The Kandahar Giant  and The Face Peelers (Los Pelacaras). From Nephilim legends and ancient giants to interdimensional beings and potential demonic encounters, this conversation uncovers what the mainstream won't touch. Is there a biblical connection? Are these events tied to the end times?Timothy Alberino is the author of Birthright, a filmmaker, and a self-described "rogue archaeologist" who has spent years exploring forbidden history and unexplained phenomena. Michael & Ep. 35 - - - Today's Sponsor: Hallow - Download Hallow for 3 months free at https://hallow.com/knowles - - - Become a Daily Wire Member and watch all of our content ad-free: https://dailywire.com/subscribe 🍿 The Pendragon Cycle: Rise of the Merlin is now streaming exclusively on DailyWire+               Watch now: https://dwplus.watch/ThePendragon               Subscribe here: https://pendragonseries.com 📘 My book "Speechless: Controlling Words, Controlling Minds" is available here: https://dwplus.shop/Speechless 🕯️ Get your Michael Knowles candles: https://thecandleclub.com/collections/michael-knowles 👕 Don’t dress like a squish. Shop my merch here: https://dwplus.shop/MichaelKnowlesMerch - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And so they deployed the second team to go and find the first team because they were missing. They found the giant eating on some of the guys from the first team, but they were able to take him down. Now, this is where things get a little confusing. This is where things get confusing. This is where things get confusing, because you'll recall that when the pedestrian emails came out,

that there was a very curious email from Hillary Clinton, inquiring about the body of Gilgamesh. What is the interest of the government in covering this up? There's a cult interest here. And that shouldn't be taken lightly. The practitioners of the cult are just as committed to what they do as you are to your Catholic faith. Oh, you and I have talked about all kinds of stuff.

I've talked about aliens and UFOs. Nothing we've discussed has made me nervous so far. Why this? Cave giants in Kandahar, face peelers in Peru. If we're talking about these topics, there is only one man that I could possibly be speaking to. That would be our only three-peat guest ever on Michael

and Mr. Timothy Albarino. Mr. Albarino, thank you for being here, sir. Always a pleasure to be with you, Michael. You've just set a record on Michael Land. We've never, we've had, maybe one or two repeats, we've never had a three-peat, but people stop me on the street. They will say, Michael, the Albarino interview, the stories, there's, and I say, I know, some of them he'll have me going and I'm, I'm really into it, and then he'll say something I think is completely crazy, but then I'll say something that seems kind of sane, and I, you have, you have some of the craziest stories I've ever

heard in my life. And somehow you have more of them than we've even covered on four hours of of interviews, beginning with the place that we are right now. Let me say, you have the most phenomenal sets. You do. Your team is amazing. These are the coolest sets. And I go in a lot of interviews and you guys do the best. Thank you very much.

They take it very seriously. Even my lighter. It's combat ready. We are right now set in Kandahar. So we've previously talked about Peru and America and all. But now we're flying over the ocean. Kandahar, because there are giant. living in caves in Kandar?

Apparently, yes. So this is kind of a, this is a story that's grown into quite the mythology online over the last decade. And this story really begins with my colleague, Steve Quayle. He's an author, researcher Steve Quayle. And I used to, Steve and I used to work together. And Steve was contacted by, by the way I should say Steve is a, his primary interest in research as giants. Giants. Biblical giants. Yeah, yeah. And Steve was contacted by this elderly woman who told Steve that he needs to talk to his son because his son, her son has an incredible story to tell.

Okay. And her son didn't want to come forward. He really didn't want to talk about this, but his mom eventually convinced him to tell the story to Steve Quayle. And it turns out that her son was, at the time we talked to him, was a C-130 pilot, active duty. Okay. And so after telling Steve this remarkable story, we decided to fly him into Bozeman, Montana, where our studio was, and to interview him for our upcoming documentary film. We were making a series of films called The True Legends Documentary Film series. And primarily these films centered around the topic of giants.

So this individual whose name, I'm not going to, he didn't want us to use his name. In fact, we had to interview him in silhouette. He didn't want his image to be out there either. He was active duty. He was active duty. And he came and he showed us his credentials. We met him. And we were very impressed by his candor and his credentials, clearly active duty, C-130 pilot.

very experienced guy. He'd flown many missions in Afghanistan. And he related to us the following story. So back in 2005, the pilot, I'm going to just refer to him as the pilot. He was running missions into Afghanistan for the Air Force. And his job was picking up cargo, what he described as high value assets or high value cargo. Usually it was Taliban guys. And this is a lot of people. This is in 2005, so this is early on in the conflict. In the scope of 20 years. In the scope of 20 years. This is the beginning of the conflict, really.

And so he would occasionally fly in routinely, flying to Bagram Airfield, pick up Taliban guys. So they called him in for a mission. And like all his other missions, he flew in. And it's kind of dangerous coming down into Bagram. I won't go into all those details, but it's not an easy, those are not easy missions to fly. He flies into Bogger-Airfield, and he thinks this is just a routine mission. He and his crew, at least his loadmaster, I don't know if he had anyone else, but he definitely had a load master. And he de-planes.

But this time, unlike other times, he's met on the tarmac by some very interesting individuals. He believed that they were Army or Air Force Intelligence. He described them as the babysitters, or referred to them as the babysitters. Because as soon as he de-plained, they said, this never happened. been highly classified, don't ever talk about this. And he'd been picking up high value targets, assets rather. And this was the first time he was met on the tarmac. So he knew, okay, whatever this is, this is top secret.

So they escort him over to the hangar. He and his loadmaster. And as they're approaching the hangar, they see a pallet. And there's this Air Force palette. And then there's this tarp covering something on the pallet. And there's a couple of soldiers standing around the palate. And he said the first thing that he noticed was a very strong odor. He was met with this intense odor.

And it was a mix of body odor and death. Okay. And it was really musky. It was very, very strong. So he got the sense that there's something dead under that tarp. And as they approached the tarp, he saw that. he saw that there was there was it looked like a guy was under the tarp and as it turned out it was a guy it was a very large guy under this tarp and it he was so large he was in the fetal position

that his feet and head were hanging off the palate so his his feet and his hands and his head were hanging out of the tarp sort of hanging off the pallet part of his head. And these, you know, these pallets are nine feet long. Yeah. These cargo pallets. And he's in the fetal position. Okay, so immediately the pilot is struck with the reality that this is a giant. So he would have been 10, 11, 12 feet?

10 to 12 feet tall. Okay. Probably more on the 12 foot tall side. And when he walked up to this body, of course he was astounded. He said the babysitters were there standing there, the intelligence guy. And then there was a couple of what he thought were Marines sort of guarding this cargo. And he just started, he engaged obviously in conversation with him like, what, you know, what the heck is this thing? And they told him that they didn't know exactly where it had come from.

But this is what they heard and this is what they related to him. They said that this gigantic being had been killed in a cave out in the desert of Afghanistan, out in the mountains. and that there was a team of soldiers who were deployed out there, probably special ops guys at this time, this early on, who were out there doing reconnaissance or something. And they saw that they were near this village, and they noticed that the villagers were depositing food and other items at the mouth of this cave.

So they thought that the villagers were aiding and abetting the Taliban, the high-level Taliban guys who were hiding in the caves. So the team went into the cave. But instead of encountering the Taliban, what they found was this enormous giant, hostile giant. And allegedly, the giant killed the first team, killed the entire team that went in the cave. And so they deployed a second team to go and find the first team because they were missing. And the second team of guys were able to track them to this cave. And when they entered the cave, this is what the guys told.

the pilot, they found the giant eating on some of the guys from the first team. And he was extremely large. And when he saw them, he became extremely violent and attacked them. But they were, but they were able to take him down. And now, this is where things get a little confusing because my colleagues. This is where things get confusing. Because my colleague, L.A. Marsuli, who also researches giants, he had a whistleblower come to him telling him a very similar story. We're still not to this day sure if it's the same story. But in his story, one of the guys from the second team got skewered by the giant who was holding a very large spear. So we're not sure if this is the same story. These might be two different stories. But returning to my story, they

killed the giant, and then they airlift him out of that area of Afghanistan and bring him to Bagram Airfield and then they call in the pilot to pick up the cargo. The giant was solid as a rock. The pilot said that while he was standing there talking to these soldiers, he was hitting the top of the tarp with his hand. Of course, he's in a state of like shock. Yeah, yeah. Trying to process this gigantic humanoid under this tarp.

And he said the guy was like a brick. He was like pure muscle. He said he didn't know if it was rigor mortis that had set in after death. But he said it was, you could see his hands and his feet. He was very muscular, very large and muscular. And he said that the giant's feet, which were wrapped in very crude footwear, like a canvas type thing, the giant's feet and hands had six digits instead of five. So it's six fingers and six toes on each handed foot.

The giant's skin was a pale white. Again, he wasn't sure if it was because the giant had been dead for a couple of days or if that was the natural tone of the skin. But what really stood out to him was the red hair. The giant had red or a Auburn here. And again, he was, there was a very pungent odor coming off of this thing. And so... Was the giant clothed or do you know, did you hear?

He could only see his hands and feet and the top of his head. So he saw the forehead and the hair. and the hands and feet hanging out. Remember, this is a nine-foot pellet. He's in the fetal position. They had to weigh this cargo, obviously, before they put it on the C-130. So the load master weighed it.

It was 1,500 pounds. Now, that's including the pallet. Subtracting the pallet, this dude weighed 1,100 pounds. So we're talking about a 12-foot guy that weighs 1,100 pounds. Yeah, that's probably even a greater proportion of muscle than I have. And I always pride myself.

So, you know, we're not talking about an NBA player here. We're talking about a giant in the truest sense. This is a biblical giant. Biblical proportions, if I can use that phrase. So he loaded, they loaded the giant onto the C-130, and they took off from Bogram Airfield, and they deposited the giant at a base in Qatar. That's where the story ends for the pilot.

Now, he heard through the grapevine that the giant ended up at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Okay. Now, every time I tell this story publicly, and yours is the largest show I've ever told this story. Every time I tell this story, he'd a little nervous. And, you know, you and I have talked about all kinds of things.

And nothing we've discussed has made me nervous so far. Why this? This one makes me nervous because I have had this story confirmed by several sources. When you say several, what do you mean? I'm talking about guys that were in the military who were out there during this event. One of these individuals, and I've got to be really careful here, one of these individuals is a high-level Air Force guy. direct knowledge of the event and of other events involving giants in the plural, not just one.

And as you know, I talk about aliens, UFOs and all kinds of stuff. We talked about alien abduction last time I was here. And I've talked about aliens, I've talked about aliens and UFOs with all kinds of people, military guys, high-level military guys, intelligence community people, congressmen, you know, Everybody sort of freely talks about UFOs now. Not a big deal. The whistleblowers, Lou Elizando is a friend of mine. And so I talk about this kind of stuff with all these guys, aliens.

And there's no problem. They'll tell you things, amazing things that they don't say publicly about aliens, casually. I can confirm at least, having spoken to a member of, at least one member of Congress about the UFO stuff. And he was as skeptical as I was about it. But then he became a true believer. And I said, well, even you, I even, truly, it's like... Which congressman is that, you know? Yeah, I want it.

So, it'll be off camera. Okay. Okay. I'm friends with Eric Burlinson. I love Eric. Yeah, Eric's a great guy. Very, very, very cool dude. So, and he's very much into this topic.

Yeah. With the UFOs and stuff. Skeptical about it, but a very intelligent guy. So, and the point is that these guys, all of these guys, will freely talk about UFOs. And the congressmen are different because they're not necessarily in the no. They're trying to find things out themselves. But when I bring up giants to these guys, specifically the Kandahar giant, the reaction is quite different. These guys will clam up.

They'll immediately stop talking to me. And some of them will tell me and have told friends of mine who I've told the Kandahar story to and then they'll go and ask their contacts in the military or in government. And we've been told, be careful with this topic. Be careful with this topic. Now, what does that mean? Because the way I would interpret that is if we grant the premise that, if we grant the premise that all these people are chatting about all these different things, but they have these totally different reactions, my gut read on that would be,

yeah, they all yuck it up about the UFOs because that's fake, but the giants might be a little too real, so they clam up about it. I would say that the topic of giants, especially in Afghanistan, then is potentially more highly classified than the topic of UFOs and aliens. And that's been my experience. Now, I don't know if that's true, literally, but... I want to drill down on. So you've spoken to people in the military, in the intelligence community, and in political office.

Yes, and guys that were in the military that were just special ops, that were familiar. familiar with the story. But still, even being familiar, this would still be secondhand. From those guys. If they didn't get any... My other guy? First hand. So, I found out, and again, I'm going to be very careful here because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.

But when I found out that this guy was in Afghanistan, high-level Air Force guy, I asked him one time, and we were at a public event, and I said, hey, you were in Afghanistan. And we were talking about deep underground military bases. We were talking about UFOs. Really no problem there. But when I asked him about a Kandahar giant, hey, have you ever heard about the Kandahar giant? The blood rushed out of his face. He was kind of walking away from me. We had concluded our talk and said, hey, hey, let me ask you a question.

And when I asked him that, the blood rushes out of his face. His eyes get really big. He looked at me and he went like this. And he pointed to his phone. He went like that to me. And his wife pulled down, she was standing and asked me, she tugged down my shirt and she whispered, He can't talk about that. That's been my experience when I bring up the Kandahar giant.

No, then the question becomes, let's say, let's say for the skeptics who are watching, you suspend disbelief for a second, you say this is real. Why would the Kanda Hard Giant be a more dangerous topic than Little Green Men or something? This is the question that puzzles me. And I think I have an answer. I'm not sure if it's the right answer, but I'm persuaded that I'm approximating the truth here. Or approaching the truth, at least.

We talked about this a little bit last time I was on your show. We talked about I had done a lot of research into giants around the world, especially on the island of Sardinia. Yes. You were all that conversation. Yes. We talked about a particular phenomenon among the Canaanite tribes of the Levant and of the ancient Near East in general. But especially the Canaanites and the Levant, they had a cult of giant worship.

They venerated giants. Of course, anybody who believes in the biblical narrative is not unfamiliar with giants. We have Goliath of Gath and his siblings and all of the Anakim who were descended from the Nephilim and on all of the biblical material about giants. And there's a lot. But the Canaanites, what people don't, what people don't realize is that it wasn't just that giants existed. It's that they were worship, they were venerated.

These were the offspring of the gods in the minds of the ancients. And not just to the Canaanites. I mean, of course, we know Greek mythology. The offspring of the gods, some of them were giants, the cyclopees were giants. And this is a common threat. I think we've talked about this before. But for those who watched our other conversation,

I'll remind the audience that in Sardinia, you can to this day find these megalithic tombs called the tombs of the giants. And the tombs of the giants, there's a misconception about them in that archaeologists, especially armchair archaeologists, will claim that the tomb

aren't big enough to house the body of giants. That claim is false. I was there with a tape measure twice, three times. And the tombs are large enough to house the bodies of giants, unquestionably. But they're missing the point. That wasn't the purpose of the tomb. The giants were buried beneath the tombs, or relics or remains of the giants, to some degree, were buried, to some extent, were buried beneath the tombs.

And the tombs are like a temple. The tombs are a womb. and they're in fact shaped like a womb. So if you look at the tombs of the giants in Sardinia, there's two different kinds. There's a tomb that has a stelae with a false door in it. So it's got like the stela stone with a false little door. It looks like a little doggy door.

And again, this is by way of review. Italians are very short. These are doggy doors. I mean, you can get into them if you're an adolescent. And then there's a larger door in the other style of the tomb. And these have a trilithon door, megalithic trilithon door, still small. I'd still have to crouch again in them. But the tombs themselves were never meant to house the bodies of giants.

Instead, they were designed to accommodate what's called the right of incubation or a right of incubation. That's what it's called. And we know that Sardinia was inhabited at one time by the Phoenicians. In fact, to this day, Sardinians have Phoenician trademarks, genetic trademarks. And that's why you get a lot of Italians that read here, by the way, from Sardinia. It's from the Phoenician bloodline. And so the Phoenicians are essentially Canaanites. Right.

The Canaanites essentially became the Phoenicians. The Greeks called the Canaanites Phoenicians. And so the Phoenicians are descendants of the Canaanites, and they're occupying the island of Sardinia, and they're practicing their ritualistic rights, including the right of incubation. And the right of incubation is a rite of passage where young people would have to go into the tomb. And so they would crawl in these little doggie doors,

maybe one at a time, maybe several at a time. And inside of the tomb, which, again, is shaped like a womb. And if you look online and type in a womb, you'll see what I mean. It's shaped like a womb. It kind of looks like a bull's head. I used to think it was a... Originally I thought it was a bull's head.

Like ball or something? Like molek or something, right. So I originally thought that the tomb was shaped like a bull's head. I was wrong. And I have since learned that they're shaped like a womb. And it makes sense because the idea is, it's a rite of passage. It's a rebirth. So you're going into the womb.

And something's happening to you while you're in the womb. That tracks with basically all religion. I mean, in the true religion, in Christianity, you have the rebirth in baptism. But even in modern weirdo religions like transgenderism or liberalism, you know, you have the rebirth through the, you know, the dead name and the, you know, coming out or whatever. But it's all this imagery of a kind of a birth. That's precisely right. So they go into the tomb and then they're sealed in there for an unspecified period of time. And when you go into these tombs, you know, these galleries inside the tombs, there's like a little alcove in there where maybe they put some candles.

and they sat there and maybe they meditated. But the whole point was the purpose was to commune with the mighty ones who were buried beneath. That was the purpose. To commune with the giants. The spirits of dead giants. That was the purpose. Again, this is a Canaanitic rite.

And so there's something about this ancient cult of giants that the ancients believed that you could maintain communication with the spirits of dead giants. After they died, their spirits persisted in the world, as we talked about, I think, our first time, as vagabond wraiths. This is apparent in the book of Vnoch. In fact, this is where the source material for this idea comes from is the book of Vnok, that as part of the judgment of the watchers who descended to the earth in the days of Jared,

and engaged in miscegenation, and had sexual intercourse with women, and who gave birth to giants. As part of the punishment for this grave sin, the giants, when they died, their spirits would persist, were cursed to persist in the world as vagabond wraiths, bodiless, disembodied, but yet they would have all the desires of the flesh.

They would be hungry, they would be thirsty. Assumably, they would have the sexual impulses, but no flesh through which or with which to satiate these desires. And so that's the condition of demons. And by the way, that's the origin of demons, biblically speaking. And when I say biblically speaking, if you consult the Second Temple period material, the text, second temple period text, you'll see clearly that this is what the Second Temple Jews believed, that demons have a very specific origin. And they're a very specific thing. They're not just anything.

They are the disembodied spirits of dead giants, of dead Nephilim, persisting in the world through the foreseen. through the flood, wandering as bodiless vagabond wraiths, seeking to inhabit human flesh. So different from the common understanding of demons is just fallen angels. Yeah, no, fallen angels would be the insubordinate sons of God. Those are a different category. The demons are their offspring. So you have this situation in which, and not just the ancient Hebrews believe that, that the spirits of the giants persisted. No, the Canaanites believed it, and a lot of the other religions, a lot of the other cultures, ancient and Near Eastern cultures, believed that, had similar viewpoints. So here's the idea.

The idea is that communication can be established and effectuated with the spirits of dead giants, precisely because they persist in the earth. Yeah. And so the central idea of the right of incubation is to communicate. is to commune with the mighty ones, with the spirits of the mighty ones. Maybe they're attached somehow to their bodies, to their remains,

and perhaps even to become demonized with them, supernaturally enhance, let's say, which could be very beneficial if you're an ancient warlike culture. You want to feel berserkers, demonized berserkers, that could be very, very, very, very, effective tactic. Tactic.

Right, exactly. Thank you. So I think that to this day, I think that practitioners of the occult, high level practitioners of the occult are doing the very same thing. They're utilizing the remains of dead giants to contact the demonic spirits of those giants, perhaps harness them for some unknown purpose. Now this sounds totally crazy. Well, except for this. If you acknowledge that there is such a thing as spiritual, immaterial reality, and if you acknowledge that there is such a phenomenon as the occult, which I think most reasonable people have to do. I know most modern materialists would say it's unreasonable, but most reasonable people throughout history would say, yeah, there is a spiritual reality and there is obviously such a phenomenon as the occult. Well, all the occult boils down to is trying to harness demons and accidentally getting harnessed by demons.

Primarily divination and necromancy. Yeah, yeah, right. You take a sip of water from our canteens here. In fact, I was just reading, I think it was in Thomas Aquinas, whom I consult about almost everything, on the legitimacy or the propriety of divination. And he gives the explanation of why divination is bad. And he distinguishes divination from forms of just rational calculation that we all do. You look up at the weather saying it's going to rain today. And he focuses on all these different types, specifically, though, on necromancy.

That's very odd that you're focusing. Necromancy, that's the word. That's the key. So if you're trying to summon spirits of the dead, that's called necromancy. And there's particularly one kind of spirit that is readily accessible to be summoned in the earth. And that is the spirit of dead giants. So our members of the occult today still practicing these. necromanic rights, these Canaaniddish necromanic rights.

Okay, but let's say that the reading, this is the way to read the Bible, and we're not going to have a more metaphorical or allegorical reading of the meaning of giants. We're just going to say, no, they're literal giants, and they died, and these cultures venerated the bodies of giants and engaged in necromancy and divination and blah, blah, blah. That still does not explain how the giants are still around today. In other words, It could all, yeah, that all happened before the flood or whatever. But what happens when a big hairy redhead walks out of a cave in Kandahar? Therein lies the paradox. Let me address that in a moment. Before I forget, you'll recall that when the Podesta emails came out,

that there was a very curious email from Hillary Clinton, inquiring about the body of Gilgamesh. Well, I remember the emails. They're talking about spirit cooking with some lacro occult lady and... But so she refers to... There was interest in the body of Gilgamesh. Huh, I don't remember that. I have a colleague of mine.

He died some years ago, a couple years ago. His name was Tom Horn. Tom was an eminent researcher in this field. And Steve, Tom, and myself, we worked on these films together. Some of these, Tom featured in some of our films. We did conferences together. And Tom was contacted by somebody who... had something to do with the military operation in Baghdad. And he was sent some, I kind of get chills

when I talk about this. Again, this is the thing that makes me the most nervous talking about this topic. He was sent some video documentation, some footage of American troops going into the museum in Baghdad and extracting from that museum gigantic sarcophagi. And, Tom was told that what they were extracting from the museum were the bodies of ancient giants in the sarcophagi. And he saw them extracting the sarcophagi and the military guys and loading them onto helicopters. Footage. He saw the footage. Yeah, yeah.

And he told me about it. He told me and Steve about it. and he had talked about it publicly on occasion. And shortly after downloading this footage onto his computer, he didn't know what to do with it. He didn't know if it was real or not, if this was somebody just hoaxing him. He downloaded on his computer,

and I believe, and I don't know if I'm accurate on this, but it was within a week. It was a short period after this that his house, burned to the ground. And Tom told me the story. He said he was in the kitchen with his wife, Nita. And suddenly they're talking.

Suddenly they hear crackling in the walls. Like firecrackers going off inside the walls. And their house went up in flames. Instantly, just went up in flames. And thankfully they were able to escape with their lives. But they lost everything. Their house burned to the ground, including that computer with the footage on it. So when I tell you that this topic makes me nervous, it's because I am encountering everywhere

I go all the time this reality, this apparent reality, that there is something very nefarious going on as it pertains to giants. I think it involves the occult. I think it involves high-level occultists. And I don't want to name names, but... But if you would. I already named one, Podesta file. So, but to your question.

So your point when you say high level occultists, you're not talking about, you know, like just some weirdo, you know, self-appointed warlock living in Palukaville who's got too much time on his hands. You're talking about people with real political power. People who are, let's put it in these terms, potentially people who are at the level of Hillary Clinton. Let's just put it, let's just leave that there. So, Podesta, those kind of occultists, because he's clearly an occultist. The emails were pretty weird. Now, I don't know for sure if that's going on, but I suspect something like that is happening. And there may be military operation to try and, you know, back engineer the DNA of these things.

Who knows? That's all wild speculation. I have to say I'm very, very much persuaded that the Kandahar giant story is true. that it happened. And there are other stories, at least another story that I know about this incident that's even wilder. I can't say, I can't. No, you can't dangle that out there and say. I have to dangle it out there because it's not just one giant, it's the giants of Kandahar. But to your earlier question. Hold on. Wait, hold on. I'm not going to get, you can't, you're going to tell me I have an even crazier story about multiple Kandah. Well, I just, I said that to illustrate

the point that it's not just one incident. There are other incidents that have been, that have happened, perhaps other places of the world specifically in Afghanistan. And so I'm, I will tell you very confidently from my perspective, from my research, there is a tribe of giants to this day, still inhabiting the caves of Afghanistan. Why don't we go get them? Well, we're not in Afghanistan. Well, we're not in Afghanistan. We left, yeah.

We left all our stuff there. So, but, you know, I've talked to Afghans too, who I've had occasion to encounter, and some of them are familiar, very familiar with the cult of giants in Afghanistan, and others are not. But, you know, this is the backwaters of Afghanistan. These people are living like it's, you know,

the first century out there. Yeah. So, and some of the, this is some of the, one of the most remote places and inhospitable places in the world, this area of Afghanistan. So it, it doesn't, it doesn't surprise me in the least. And I think that there's probably living giants in other parts of the world as well. Now, okay, so this then raises a question. One, if one reads the Bible as in a, in this regard, in a literal way and say, no, they're really these giants and then they, they, they, they went away. That means, okay, well, some of them persisted if they're in the caves in the candahar. And then it does raise these questions for me. I mean, I wasn't joking when I, when I wondered earlier, was the giant wearing clothing? Because the question would be,

if there really were such a creature, how much like a human is he? You know, part of being a human is we make clothing because we feel shame and we have ingenuity and we, you know, protect ourselves from the elements. And so, like, what does that even mean? Is it just like a really big person? They're primitive. I know that. They're primitive. Okay.

And at least one other story I've heard, they were naked. That doesn't mean they're naked all the time. But this guy had primitive wrappings on his feet, which wouldn't surprise me, even if he went naked or in some sort of a loin cloth. But these are very primitive giants. And these guys, you know, they're not doing calculus down in the case. Yeah. They're not like trading derivatives.

They don't have X accounts. No. These guys are very primitive and very hostile. So you asked a really good question earlier. How do you have giants persisting in the world today? Biblically speaking, we assume that all the giants died in the flood. But yet we know that they persisted in the post-flood world because Goliath of death. Goliath, yeah. But couldn't Goliath? My read on Goliath was always, yes, he was a really big guy. but he wasn't like 20 feet. There's all kinds of speculation, different ideas of how tall Goliath was. Some people say he was just six foot tall, six and a half foot tall.

Others say he was 10 foot tall. All depends on the unit of measurement, which unit of measurement you're looking at. And that's a whole scholarly debate about that. It doesn't matter to me because I've talked to firsthand witnesses who've dug up the bones of giants. Giants, not mastodons, not giant sloths, not dinosaurs, skeletal remains wearing necklaces and rings. and rings. I've talked to multiple witnesses who've dug them up themselves in an official capacity, which we talked about last time in Sardinia, and in an unofficial capacity, just plowing in their fields. So, and I have no question that the giants, the red-haired giants, six-fingered,

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scares me the most to talk about. What is the interest of the government in covering this up? Meaning, if I were elected president, I think it would be pretty cool to say, hey, guys, I discovered there's a tribe of giants. The first part of the answer here is what I've already said, which I think there's an occult interest here. And that shouldn't be taken lightly. The occult is real, as you know. It's real.

And the practitioners of the cult are just as committed to what they do as you are to your Catholic faith. Yeah, yeah. They're much more committed, actually, than probably many Christians are. Yes, unquestionably. Unquestionably. And they're practicing necromancy, among other things. divination and necromancy.

And so that's a big component of this from my perspective. It's really the only answer that makes sense to me. Now, why would they, broadly speaking, why would institutions like the Smithsonian Institution cover up the remains of giants? Well, that's kind of a different question. And the answer there is you have to be specific to the region you're working and I think here in the United States,

most people are familiar with what's been called Smithsonian Gate. Back in the mid-1800s to early 1900s, the Smithsonian Institution was engaging in a cover-up of out-of-place artifacts, including the bones of giants, specifically as they were discovered in the mounds. I don't think most people are familiar with that. Okay, well, a lot of people are. Though I've heard a little bit about this thing, but I don't, I'm not that familiar.

So this was, so here in America, There's a very bizarre phenomenon that was happening, and it's referred to as the mound builders. So there were thousands, tens of thousands of Indian burial mounds. They're not all burial mounds. A lot of them were effigy mounds and structural mounds, but a lot of more burial mounds. And the Smithsonian Institution engaged in a broad, a widespread excavation of these mounds. from the mid-1800s to the early 1900s, as I said. And during that period of time, they were, according to their own records, their own annual reports, discovering all manner of bizarre artifacts, including the bones of giants.

Why cover it up? So you have to understand the, how would I describe this, the historical, the archaeological politics of the day. I think we talked about this at one point. There's a conflict in, it's not really a, mainstream archaeology maintains that civilizations across the world

developed in isolation. Yeah. That ancient peoples were not crossing the oceans. Yeah. So that each civilization was influenced by other civilizations on their continent that they had contact with, they weren't crossing the oceans.

That's called isolationism. That's the doctrine of isolationism. And it's an anthropological doctrine. Yeah. And the contravailing view is one of diffusionism. That's not really accepted in academia. Diffusionism is the opposite of that idea, that yes, the ancient peoples were crossing the ocean,

specifically, I would say the Phoenicians. But also some people speculate that the ancient Egyptians and perhaps some other, maybe the Romans to some extent, were crossing the oceans. That means Mediterranean across the Atlantic Ocean into the United States. And there is very good evidence that the Phoenicians were mining copper in the Great Lakes, especially Michigan. The Michigan copper mines, the copper that comes out of those mines has a purity trademark. It's exceedingly pure. It's like a, it's like a fingerprint. And that copper has been discovered in the Mediterranean,

the ingots of that copper. What a lot of people believe is Michigan-grade copper. And there's even been some claims, I'm going to put in those terms, that the petroglyphs of Phoenician ships have been found on the banks of the Great Lakes, at least in one case that I'm aware of. Phoenician ships were, you know, had that hallmark prowl that was shaped like a serpent or something like that.

The Phoenicians, by the way, were a secret society. Very, very little is known of the Phoenicians, but they were major players in history. Major. Of course, they were major players in the history of the Israelites. Yeah. Who built the Temple of Solomon? The Phoenicians. Well, a lot of Christians don't realize that.

Not the Michiganders. Not the mission. No, the Phoenicians built the temple of Solomon and King Hiram. And then, of course, Hiram Abiff, his artificer was instrumental in the building of Solomon's tent. Isn't Hiram like a Freemason? Well, I guess obviously it's all based on Solomon's down. He's one of the patriarchs of Freemasonry. Hiram Abiff.

And they have a whole mythology about Hiram Bif, which is very interesting. But, so it was the Phoenicians. Solomon consulted with the Phoenicians. They provided the cedar. And they provided the, the expertise, their artificers, and, you know, their workers of brass and bronze and so forth. They were the, the Phoenicians were the unrivaled masters of masonry and navigation. And, and, um, um, what would you call, seafaring of the ancient world, unrivaled. They were so ingenious in the designs of their boats. They designed their boats in such a way that their boats could be, they could arrive, let's say, to the shores of the United States. They could disassemble their boats, carry them across the land, and then reassemble them in the river to continue navigating the continent or the Great Lakes.

So the Phoenicians would have been able to, I believe, of course we know they circumvented Africa, or circumnavigated, rather. They circumnavigated Africa. And so they were widely accepted that the Phoenicians were the master mariners. They were the great merchants of the ancient world, but they're very mysterious.

Very little is known of the Phoenicians. I found very difficult to find this, I found a, what would you call it a freeze, a, what do you call it, like a painting on a wall? Yeah, yeah. Of a scene in which you have Phoenicians unloading their cargo off of their ships. And they're in Egypt. You can tell that there's like in Egypt, there's like an administrator who's sort of registering the cargo that's coming off the ship.

And then you have the Phoenician guys carrying the cargo. carrying the cargo off the ship. And these are, you know, like normal guys, except for one was a giant. There was a giant and he was carrying cargo off the ships. You got all these regular-sized Phoenicians and then you got a giant. So they even had diversity and they had a DEI department. The Phoenicians. That's right. So the, again, they're the Canaanites. This is, this is a Canaan-iddish culture. And so they would have the cult of veneration of giants. I can't remember how much of this we've talked about in a previous discussion. Well, couldn't it be, you know, a picture like that, couldn't that be like in Western Christian art, you would have a bunch of regular guys, you know, like patron Lorenzo Lorenzopoly, you know, next to some other historical figure, all held up by an archangel.

It's not that the archangel was a material person, but it could have artistic symbolic. It's possible. It's possible. Or the Phoenicians just hired a big giant to help them carry their load. The historian Plutarch, he was in, I believe, and I hope I get the details right here, in his work on Sertorius, the Roman general, the life and activities of Sertorius, he writes, and let's see if I can recall this, he writes that there was a particular occasion in which Sertorius was in North Africa. and I believe he was around tinges. I can't remember the details. The gist of the story is this. He was in North Africa,

and he and his legion came upon a massive grave that was being venerated by the Phoenicians. Of course, the Phoenicians, by the way, were the Carthaginians. They were the Carthaginians. That was the faction of the Phoenicians. Or at least the Phoenicians were their ancestors. And so you have this massive grave being venerated.

by the Phoenicians and Sertorius inquires why are you venerating this grave and they said because and they name I can't remember the name of the giant there was a fabled giant buried in the grave and tomb in the grave and Phenish and Sertorius according to Plutarch was he was he disbelieved that this fantastic story so he had his men Open the grave open the tomb. Yeah, and he went into the tomb and he was shocked to find the body of a giant very very very large giant. And he had his men resealed the tomb and he also venerated the tomb. That's Plutarch. Well, I mean, speaking of ancient sources, you even have as recently as in the Christian tradition as St. Augustine saying that he stumbles on a giant's molar on the beach.

That's exactly right. It's a size of 50 human molars. Yeah, you have all kinds. There's so many testimonies. Of course people say, well, these guys are just finding the remains of fossils or fossils or whatever. Fossils of mammoths or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

And no doubt they were in many cases. But going back to the Phoenicians in America. Yeah. So the Phoenicians, I believe very strongly that the Phoenicians were mining copper in the Great Lakes. They had the capability, I'm persuaded, that they had the capability to cross the oceans. And they were interacting with the peoples of the Americas. Now, if that were the case, wouldn't there be more documentary evidence of it, meaning not even not contemporary, but saying, you know, in antiquity, some history or story or legend even of the Phoenicians going over and discovering, you know, Lake Erie or something, or one of the Great Lakes?

No, it contradicts the prevailing narrative. Yeah. Blows holes in it. So it's, this is what we were talking about before. So if the Phoenicians were here, and there's other evidence is that the Phoenicians were here, by the way, and interacting with the native tribes. the indigenous peoples of America, this would be the avenue through which the red-haired giants arrived at our shores. And this was the problem. In fact, I know this was the problem for some of the academics working with the Smithsonian institution, specifically Colonel Powell. Colonel Powell was the first director of the Department of Ethnology.

at the Smithsonian. And, of course, he was a famous explorer and archaeologist, and he was overseeing a lot of these excavations. And I can't remember, I wish I could cite the document specifically. It's in one of the films that Steve and I produced in the True Legend series. We have all the documentation.

And in that film, we present a document that is a letter. In fact, this is Tom Horn. This comes from Tom Horn's research. Tom is presenting this in the film. In which Colonel Powell is writing to a colleague of his. And he literally says something along these lines, so I should say paraphrasing, not literally, but he says something along these lines. He says, we cannot yet talk about the giants until we can determine where they've come from.

And what he's expressing here is a He's expressing a very particular view He was an adamant isolationist Yeah, ardent isolationist. That was his thing. The Smithsonian Institution to this day, it's they hold to the they maintain the doctrine of isolationism Most people do, right? Most people do and and Colonel Powell was was one of its greatest proponents and the problem that he had I was that from his perspective of isolationism,

you should only expect to find indigenous Native American artifacts in America. That's it. Right. You should not expect to find red-haired six-fingered giants with copper armor. You should not expect to find

any evidence of Phoenicians or ancient Egyptians, for that matter, but specifically Phoenicians. And I believe he was finding those artifacts, and it was, dismantling his own worldview, his own doctrine of isolationism that he was a proponent of. And so that's why in this letter to his colleague, he's saying, we can't talk about these things until we've determined where they came from. Because clearly they came from somewhere.

So isolationism out, diffusionism in. It's just like anything else that's politically charged. Yeah. A good example, a good point of reference here is Trump's purging of the Smithsonian institution. Yeah. Right? Trump has been kind of behind the scenes purging some of the overtly political stuff. Yeah, this radical sort of anti-American ideological stuff. He says, we're going to get that out. And the people who defend the Smithsonian now, they say, well, Trump is changing the narrative on history. And I think Trump's answer is, yes, I am, because you had your own narrative that you changed and you changed it in a bad way and we're going to bring it back to it.

So obviously. We're restoring the narrative of history. And, you know, this is true, not even just in the Smithsonian or history generally, but you do see this in any field. Like 15 years ago, when there were scientists, some of whom were pretty prominent, questioning the global warming alarmism stuff, the people who said the world is going to end in five years, they were pushed to the fringes. They lost their funding. They were marginalized at their universities.

even at MIT, prominent universities. Because, you know, any human endeavor is going to be political. We're the political animal for social creatures. So, you know, that's not surprising at all. That's true in every field. That's right. Yeah. And especially in human origins.

Because now you're getting into human origins. When you start finding, when you start finding evidence of giants, you're encroaching on other topics, not just archaeology. Now you're encroaching on the conventional narrative of history, which doesn't include giants. But now, if I were an enterprising explorer, which I am not, but if I were. There's still time. There's still time for me. I might have to work out a little bit more.

I don't know. I've got to get better duds. But if I were, I would love to catch a plane into Kandahar, pay off some tribal Taliban lunatic. I don't know, give him like a couple of wristwatches and a pair of Nike. whatever it takes to buy them off. They already stole all our military equipment. And go find the caves and go get a picture of one of these guys, even if he might spear me through the guts.

Like, to me, if this is real and there are credible stories about this, why aren't one of the, isn't one of the explorers going out and trying to grab? Why am I not going out? Why am I not going to Candoah? So there's several reasons why I'm not going to Candoahar. Number one. I mean, look, there are a hundred reasons not to go to go. Yeah, exactly.

Number one, I'm not particularly fond about getting my head chopped off. Yeah. Yeah. But aside from that, that is such hostile territory. I mean, even to get into this region and to try and navigate your way through it as an American, especially, it's not, I have a wife and kids. Yeah. You know, I'm not going to recklessly throw my life away for something to try and find the bones of giants. Yeah, yeah. And maybe there's other, and I hope that we've not inspired some young person to booking a ticket right now to Afghanistan. I will say, but buddies of mine who are military veterans who are very familiar, with Afghanistan, during that horrifically botched evacuation, some of them wanted to go in,

even with private organizations, and help some of their assets and people they'd worked with escape. Yes. And even to do that, and this... Chad Robesho is one of those guys. So there are a number of these guys. Even to do that, they would have to fly into Turkmenistan and take this route and get in here. Even for people who were very familiar with the terrain, it was very, very difficult.

There's no direct flights to Bogram Airfield. No, not anymore. So, okay, so that's why you, but you see why, even when the U.S. had a presence there. Like, why aren't, this seems like a big story. Okay, so here's what I'm going to predict, okay? I think you're going to get contacted by some people in the military, some, or ex-military guys, maybe some seals or Delta Force guys. We're going to confirm my story.

I just want, we'll see if that happens. All right. Of course, you might get contacted by some crazy people, too. Well, I get that every day. Yeah, especially after you have me on your show, your inbox probably gets flooded with some very strange things. But because there's quite a few people out there who know that what I'm saying is true. But if I can return to the Smithsonian thing. Yes.

Because I also want to get to, I have a question about Peru that I want to get to. So while we're in the Americas, I want to get down to Peru as well. But on the Smithsonian. So to wrap that up, you know, it was well known that the bones of giants were being discovered in the mounds of America. That's not a conspiracy. Of course, the periodicals of the time, which exaggerated routinely. Yeah.

I mean, they're very fanciful. They took a lot of liberty because there was a lot of competition back then, you know, for the physical paper. You know, believe it or not, even media outlets today sometimes sensationalize and exaggerate, sometimes even podcasts. Though I would never. I would never. That's true. But this, back then, it was common to publish these wild claims of all manner of tridactyls and all kinds of different mythical creatures being found.

A lot of these periodicals were proven to be false later, but not all of them. And there were many, many claims in the periodicals of the time. And in fact, Abraham Lincoln, while waxing poetically about Niagara Falls, said that that species of ancient giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed on Niagara as ours do now. That species of extinct giants, he said. And that's Abraham Lincoln. And that's a matter of fact. it was common knowledge. And when Abraham Lincoln

wrote those words and delivered that speech, the people, the audience he was talking to you were quite familiar with what he was referring. Totally unimpressed. Just, yeah, of course. Of course the Giants filled. But the bones of giants filled the mounds of America.

And as I said before, there's evidence that the Smithsonian recorded. I mean, they had in their own documentation recording, finding the bones of giants. And I can recall a couple of, a couple of these registers.

One, for example, they found the jawbone of a man so large that you could slip it over your entire head. There's the jawbone. They found a battle axe that was so large that they said it could only have been wielded by a giant. They found skeletal remains of gigantic

human beings or humanoids who were at least nine feet tall. And so this is a reality right here in our home soil. And the this is the final part of the answering the question of why why is this covered up and a lot of Christians believe who are into this topic believe that it's covered up because it would confirm the biblical narrative on that there's this sort of this atheistic

attempt there's an there's an attempt by by atheistic academia to sweep this under the rug because they don't want to reveal anything that would be affirming of the biblical narrative I'm not persuaded by that argument because the existence of giants doesn't just confirm the biblical narrative. Yeah. It confirms the collective testimony of our antecedents all around the world. Mythical narrative. The Greeks and the Romans and the ancient Mesopotamians and people, the Polynesians and the ancient Native Americans talked about the giants, six-finger giants. It confirms everybody's legends and mythologies.

of John's, everybody's. So that isn't that persuasive of an argument to me. But I will say this, it doesn't necessarily pose a problem for the theory of evolution either. Yeah. Not necessarily problematic to the theory of evolution. Yeah, I don't think. It's not like, you know, the theory of evolution, well, not that I'm like the biggest theory of evolution guy, or Darwinian or anything, but even if you hold to some view of that, it's not like, you know, one day your grandpa's an orangutan and then your dad's a chimp and then you're a human. Like things kind of branch off. Yeah, you could have a giant's just kind of chilling in a cave for a while.

Yeah, yeah, right. So it doesn't really do violence to the theory of evolution. So, but there is something, there is some aspect of the, you know how this is, if I invoke the archeological community, most 99% of archaeologists are just out there trying to get their grants funded. right, and their projects funded. And they're very myopic. They're very much focused on one particular thing for most of their career or a couple things, right?

That's true in academia generally. It's all hyper-specialization. That's right. You're the world's leading expert on like one type of brown arrowhead in Minnesota. That's right. Yes. So their noses are in the dirt, you know, and I have a lot of respect for archaeologists. I am not an archaeologist, but I have a lot of respect for archaeologists.

And most of these guys, like I said, are just out there. doing their jobs and most of them are highly skeptical because they conform to the general views of popular academia, of the prevailing views, right? But I think there is an overarching conspiracy. I do. And this, you know, it's been referred to as big archaeology. You have big pharma and big archaeology that there is at the very top, that there is a concerted effort to hide certain things about the past. I happen to believe that's true. And...

Because they know... In other words, people who know the truth but just want to lie to everybody or people who are too arrogant or... Because it would appear that certain elements of the... of mythology,

I think they call it the mythal historical or something like that, narratives of the ancient peoples happens to be true. that's a different rendering of history. Yeah. You know, especially as it pertains to the cataclysm, to the flood of Noah and the events that occurred previous to the cataclysm.

The events, in fact, that catalyzed the cataclysm. And that material, that knowledge is sequestered in the mystery schools. Not in academia. Academia, again, at the highest levels, somebody is hiding, something. I know that because of my my investigations in Sardinia, which again we talked about last time, but I'll remind the audience that in Sardinia, I interviewed two gentlemen who were working at the site of San Anastasia, which we talked about, were they unearthed multiple bodies of giants. Yeah. And they laid out the giants in the church, or in one case in

the courtyard or in the backyard or whatever it was. And then somebody would come and take the remains away overnight. And they didn't know where they went. But one of the individuals told me who was coming to take the remains. And it was individuals who were working at the University of Cajetti, the capital city of Sardinian. Yeah. And so at least in that case, academia was involved. Somebody in academia was involved.

Now, when I was in Peru some years ago, there was an individual who, my friend, Benny Humphreys, who lives in Terrapota, Peru, an American guy from Akron, a good friend of mine, he and I were inquiring about the bones of giants in Peru as part of my film project. And we made contact with an individual who was, I believe he was a curator of a museum.

And he told us in no uncertain terms that he had seen, personally seen, the bodies of giants in the, is it called a depository or a repository of the museum? In the back rooms of the museum. And he was emphatic. He had seen these bones. And no question that the museum has evidence of giants.

And we said, okay, come see us, because we were in the city of Terrapoto in the jungle, he was in the capital city of Lima. We said, come meet us in Terrapoto. We'll fly you in and we want the details. And he was even telling us that he would take us to the museum. So we flew him in. in to Terrapoto and we met him at the airport very anxious to we didn't really he didn't really want to talk much more over the over Skype and we didn't either so we wanted to have a face-to-face he gets into town we pick him up at the airport we go to a a restaurant we sit down with this individual

Ben and I and I. Yeah. And I say to him, okay, tell us about these bodies of giants, these remains of giants

that you've seen in the museum. And he looks at us and he goes, I don't know what you're talking about. And me and Benny look at each other like, what? We were just talking about. I don't know what you were talking about. I said,

you were just telling us on the phone the other day that you have seen the bodies of giants personally in the backrooms of the museum and that you could show them to us and he said i'm sorry i don't know what you're talking about he said if you want to go look for giants i'll go with you let's go but i don't know what you're talking about museum i don't and i think i realized what was going on um i think i realized what was going on later it didn't occur to me at that moment or maybe it did and i just a a spanish mistranslation no no no no He wanted money.

So it's like, what giants? Let's see some. That's an even more ancient Latin American tradition. Yes, precisely. Let's see some cash on the table before we talk about these giants you speak of. That's kind of that kind of thing. But it was at the time, I think we thought maybe somebody got to him. Maybe somebody said, you're not, but why would he get on the airplane?

Yeah, of course. So I think today I'm pretty sure. It kind of went over my head, I think, at the time. So American to not get grabbed. Right, exactly. And I learned, I've since learned, believe. Yeah, yeah. But at the time, it just didn't occur to me.

Like, he wants to see some green on a table before he's going to spill the beans here. Now, hold on. Before I ask you more about Peru, there's something you said that perked up a red flag from you, perked up my ears, which is something that's very interesting about your description of all these things is usually when you hear all this wacky stuff, it's anti-Christian. But your telling intentionally does not try to contradict Christianity. No. But you just said something very interesting, which is you said, big academia, break archaeology is covering this stuff up. And so the real knowledge is sequestered in the mystery schools, which to me sounds like the definition of Gnosticism. Gnosticism, which is usually considered to be totally contrary to Christianity, all sorts of ancient Christian polemics against

the Gnostics, Gnosticism setting up a kind of separate version of Christianity. Is what you're describing Gnosticism? No, not necessarily Gnosis, is much older than Gnosticism. This goes back to the Elysian or the Elysian, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, mystery school to the Greeks. If you revealed any of those mysteries, you were summarily executed. and even further back. And what is a mystery school?

So today there's a lot of, there's a lot of confusion surrounding the mystery schools. You know, the most famous mystery schools that are invoked today are the Illuminati. Yeah. For example. The Rosicrucians.

Yeah, yeah. The Freemasons. These are mystery schools. The Illuminati, I'm not sure if that's actually a mystery, if that even really like on paper exists. Obviously the Rosicrucians do. Freemasons do.

Free masons do. They were both, both of those groups were instrumental, by the way, in the founding of America. In the colonization scheme, which was operated by Francis Bacon, who I believe was, he was certainly Rosicrucian. And probably the protege of John D. The sorcerer, I don't know what else to call him. I mean, he was like a magician, court magician. What's the word for that? Court something, sorcerer or whatever.

Let's just call him a court magician. And he was a Rosicrucian. So Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry, and some of these older orders, preserve some ancient traditions from the mystery schools, from the original mystery schools. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Because, you know, in the sense that one of the reasons

that whether we're talking about a kind of Gnostic. You know, Gnostic just means there's a secret knowledge that's passed on, you know, and that's the way to illumination, like the Illuminati. And, but one of the reasons why, for instance, the Catholic Church says you can't be a Freemason. If you join Freemasonry, you're automatically excommunicated, you can't do it, is because, and this goes back to the ancient Christian polemics against the Gnostics, is that Christianity is kind of like the opposite of a Gnostic history school in that it's all public. You know, Christ was incarnate publicly. It's all we're not really hiding anything. You can be baptized our rights are public and whereas with the Gnostics you have to be the 37th degree layer of the super duper special guy. But this sounds like that. It's precisely that. And but the question is the confusion is over what kind of information the mystery schools are concealing. And it's often thought that the information is just sort of like satanic, um, uh, uh,

paganistic rights and this sort of thing. And there's a stark difference, by the way, between Satanism and the doctrines of the mystery schools. The doctrines of the mystery schools are Luciferian. And Luciferianism is an inversion of the biblical narrative. That God, that Yahweh is the enemy. Yeah, yeah. And that Lucifer is the light bringer, the light bearer. He's the Promethean benefactor of mankind.

He enlightens us. He gives us knowledge and he's the friend of mankind. And so mystery school adepts are theists. They just believe the inverse of the Bible, literally, the inverse. They believe that in the beginning, mankind was imprisoned by Yahweh. So like we would view, we're both Christians, we would view the Garden of Eden as the paradise of God, were man communed with his maker. Walked with him.

Walked with his maker. and that Yahweh was very benevolent towards mankind. Well, the Luciferian sees it as the prison of mankind, that God had created this prison, and he was withholding knowledge from us. This is why, by the way, liberalism is Luciferian in that it views, you know, all the trappings of Christian society

and God himself imposing this morality as inhibiting man's freedom and full agency. Same thing, that it's as slavery. You nailed it. Liberalism, the fundamental tenets of liberalism are Luciferian. No question about it. Because liberals are not upset about Hindu doctrines. They're not bothered by Taoism.

Shintoes. Shintoes. It's specifically their acrimony is aimed at Christ and his followers. And indeed the radical romantic reading of Paradise Lost by John Milton, the radical romantic reading, when these These are some of the OG liberals, was that Satan's the good guy. That's right. And I'm not saying that's the correct reading of Milton, but that's their reading at least. That is precisely the ethos of the atheistic left.

Yeah. So people think that the atheists, I shouldn't say atheists in general, there's a lot of decent rational atheists who aren't radical leftists. So I should say rather the left. They're accidentally rational. They're accidentally. Yeah, right, exactly. So the hardcore left is, is the tenets of that movement are precisely Luciferian in that they oppose

not just Western civilization, no, no, no, no, it's much more specific than that. Yeah. They oppose Christian society specifically. Their guns are aimed at the doctrine of Christ more than anything else. That's really what undergirds that movement. it is in every sense of the word, at least in my opinion, demonic. Yes. You know, I've long said that liberalism boils down to three words, which is screw you, dad.

And that's true in a very practical way. A lot of them like hate their dads. But also, it's true ultimately. Ultimately, it's your ultimate father. Yeah, that's right. Again, Luciferianism. So I believe, and I think we've talked about this before, we're drifting far afield. But we mentioned before that I believe, when I say before, I mean, I think,

the first time we talked, that the future, that the prevailing philosophy in the future is not atheism. Yeah. It's not going to be atheism. It's going to be something that I call apotheism. Yeah, yeah. And apotheism is the amalgamation of two words, apotheosis and theism. And of course we know that theism is the belief in the gods. apotheosis or is the belief that man can become a god.

Yeah, yeah, the final culmination. And so the prevailing religious ideology of the future is going to be the declaration that the gods exist and we shall become like them. They're already saying, I mean, you know, Yuval Harari makes that argument explicitly in homodeus and all the really AI singularity type people are essentially making that argument. And some of these people believe that the god that is coming is artificial intelligence. But I think it's more specific than that. I think that the gods are going to make themselves apparent in the future. And what's tying this back into Luciferianism, what was the serpent tempting Eve with?

If you eat of the tree. You shall not surely die. You will become like. the gods, plural. You will become like the gods, the El-Hean. So it's the same old lie, and that's the, that is the beginning of Luciferianism, is in the Garden of Eden. So, what's amazing, too, from the Christian perspective is you see this perfect symmetry, this answer, this prefiguring, where the serpent in the garden is accidentally right, which is that if you eat of the tree of life, you know, you'll become like the gods.

Because the fulfillment of the tree of life is the cross on Calvary. That's right. And if you bind yourself to the cross of Christ, and if you eat his flesh and drink his blood, which is the fruit of the tree, right? He is the fruit of tree. He is the tree of life. Yes. Or even if you even see the image of, you know, the wood of the cross and him is bearing this fruit.

That's right. You actually do. You are adopted as a son of God. You become like him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. It's precisely right. Yeah.

So you can see the inversion. Yeah. And that's really the impetus behind so much of what we see in the world today in modern leftism. But also going back to the mystery schools, specifically the mystery schools, their fundamental tenet is Luciferianism. But what is the knowledge that they conceal? That's the question. Right. This is where people get confused.

The knowledge that the mystery schools conceal is not. that came from the gods in the antediluvian world. So it's the knowledge of the gods. To put that in Christian terms, it would be the knowledge of the quote unquote fallen angels, which I'm not a big fan of that term, but I like to think of them as insubordinate sons of God, or as the apostate sons of God, that that knowledge was imparted to mankind.

There was a specific knowledge that was given to mankind illicitly to mankind in the beginning. in the beginning. And this idea that somebody descended and instructed mankind in the arts of civilization and other things. I mean, look, that's the story of Prometheus. I was going to say, that story is ubiquitous across the world. Every primary civilization, every primary ancient civilization has some form of that narrative. And I mentioned the first time we talked that this is in ancient Egypt. It's known as Zepteptepe the first time when the gods ascended and cohabited with mankind and copulated with human women and progenerated a race of

hybrid demigods who ruled the earth. So that's, if that's, see, this is always considered to be mythological. The mystery schools don't consider that to be mythological. They consider that to be veritable history. Literal. And that knowledge is functional knowledge. It's not just sort of Gnosticism or some sort of ethereal, spiritual knowledge. It's functional knowledge. Knowledge about the universe, knowledge about cataclysm, all kinds of things, functional knowledge, among, of course, of course, always focused on their particular theological position, which is Luciferianism. So how do we appropriate this divine knowledge for our aggrandizement? Exactly right. And this is going somewhere. See, it's going somewhere. There's a purpose behind

the occult, behind the mystery schools. You see, I mean, this point is very important, because in Christian view, we recognize that God is real and God actually has taken on flesh and dwelt among us and died for our sins. And so we, like in the words of St. Paul, cupio dissolving, we wish to, we wish to dissolve. We wish to, you know, empty ourselves so that we can be filled by Christ. And in, in that way, you know, bind ourselves to God. Whereas the Gnostic, occult, Luciferian view is, no, no, hold on, I don't want to empty myself to become more like God. I want to grab some of that God and use God for my own purposes. It's not, in other words, it's not thy will be done.

It's my will be done and give me some of that power so I can do my will. It's totally the opposite. That's a very good insight. In the book of Revelation, we have, of course, the Antichrist, the Beast who arises at the end of the age. What does he do? The Beast leads mankind into the exaltation of his father, the dragon. So remember that the dragon, that this dragon figure that arises in the book of Revelation, it's very symbolic. He's the seven heads, it's a red dragon.

And this dragon imbues the beast with his authority. And in turn, the beast leads mankind into the worship of the dragon. That's where this is going. The worship of the dragon. Who's the dragon? Well, this is symbolic of this arch enemy. His name isn't Lucifer. That's a misnomer from the Latin Vulgate.

But we call him Lucifer because most people are... Like bearer. But he's much more like Voldermort, he who should not be named. That's really what he is in the Bible. He's never really named precisely. But he is personified as the dragon. And John even identifies who this dragon is.

He said it's that serpent of old. Yeah. Who is with Eve in Eden. Right. So it's that guy who the nations are going to extol at the end of the age. That's the original Luciferian religion.

That's where all of this is going. It's not atheism. Yes. It's the gods exist and we shall become like them. It's apotheism. Not atheism. And it's not going to be

a, some sort of just an inclination toward a particular belief. I think that It's going to be literal that gods will walk among us again. And this is in fact the pursuit of the mystery schools, their grand design, is to reconnect humanity with the gods of old, who they believe are coming back.

And to reconstitute to resurrect what I call the empire of the gods that existed in the anti-deluvian world. That's the mission of the mystery schools. That's what they exist to do. And it's, again, there's a lot of confusion online in regard to the occult and mystery. But that's the end game. The end game, and of course in the Bible, the end game is Armageddon. And Armageddon isn't just a war with Israel. It's a war with Christ returning to the earth.

Yeah, yeah. To take dominion on earth. And it's funny because, of course, what are they after? They're after eternal life. You know, they're going to cure death. They tell us. What are they after? They want to reconnect to the gods.

these kind of lower cheap gods. What are they going to do? They're going to, you know, exalt themselves, you know, make themselves, glorify themselves. But Christians, we're after all the same things in the right respect in the right way. We enter through the door. Yeah. It's like, hey guys, there's an easier way to do it. Exactly right. To actually do the real thing, too. We enter through the door. Yeah. So the door is Christ. To go back into the Father's house, you do it through Christ. But what they're trying to do is, They're trying to circumvent Christ. They're trying to scale the walls of paradise

and steal from the tree of life. Good luck. And that's their enterprise. And they reject the door. They don't enter by the door. And at the end of the age, I fully expect, which, by the way, we've talked about this before, we're entering into a post-human era eventually.

There's a post-human apocalypse brooding on the horizon, like a hurricane. And we are speeding toward that inevitability. And this whole thing is going to be oriented toward war with the powers of heaven. Not spiritual war, kinetic war with the powers of heaven. And I write about that in my book, Birthright. But so anyway, that's the purpose, function, and design of the mystery. By the way, you don't even have to believe in some, you know, John.

pedesta wearing a cloak, you know, boiling a pot of, you know, eye of newt or whatever, you just listen to ordinary, normal, liberal atheist types who say, we're going to cure death and you'll live forever. And you just think, like, yeah, that pursuit is obviously afoot. And you want to tell these guys, you say, guys, you can live forever. I got the answer for you and you don't need to build a supercomputer dummies and you don't need to plug something into your brain. I am the resurrection in the life.

He who believes in me, though he die. Yet shall he live. Yeah. That's the answer. That's the answer. Yes. And it stupefies me that people are searching for eternal life, striving for eternal life for immortality, but rejecting the one who freely gives it. Of course. Of course.

Now, I have to ask you, this is slightly changing topics to bring us a little bit more down to Earth. Or maybe beam us up to outer space. I'm not quite sure. Who were the Peruvian face? Okay, so back in 2023, in the summer of 2023, specifically July, there were a series of videos that were going viral on the internet, on social media. And these videos depicted villagers living out in the jungles of Peru who were running around at night with their guns, discharging their firearms into the jungle. jungle, screaming, very animated about something happening in their village. And it turns out that what they were claiming was that they were being assaulted by these very strange people who could fly, who were apparently impervious to gunfire, and who were,

at least in some cases, attempting to peel people's faces off. And some of the villagers were calling them the Pelacadas. And before I get into this story, let me set up this legend of the Pelacata. The legend of the face peelers in Peru goes back to the mid-80s, not before. Goes back to the mid-80s. So this is not some ancient Peruvian legend. This is like within living memory. And the reason why I say it doesn't go before is because I talked to villagers in Peru about this.

And they'll tell you that, like guys my age will tell you that my father told me about the face-peelers or my mom. told me about the face peelers, but and I would ask, well, what about your grandparents? Did they know about them? No. No, it started in my father's generation. And so we figured out, it was sometime in the 80s when this phenomenon... So it's like Ali North, you know, a Ranconra, Cold War kind of thing. Yeah, it started in the 80s and and the face peeler legend, it's kind of like a boogeyman legend in the jungle. The mothers will tell their kids, don't go out in the jungle by yourself at night or the face pealers will get you. And so from time,

From time to time, people living in these remote villages, the indigenous people, especially in Peru, would, someone would go missing. A member of these populations would go of these communities would go missing, and then they would mysteriously show up in the jungle or floating in the river with either part or all of their face missing. And surgically removed, not like chewed off by a leopard, bit your face. Right, not shoot off by a jaguar or piranha or something like that. Their face would be surgically removed. And so there are two ideas in the legend about who's perpetrating this face peeling. And some of the indigenous people will say that these are gringoes. These are gringos who are harvesting organs, because apparently in some cases they also found that the organs were gone.

It's hard to sell a face, though. It's hard to sell a face. I guess it happened. There are face transplant. Not very many, though. Especially in the 80s. Especially in the 80s. There weren't very many.

So that's what some of the indigenous people have said and would say to this day. And then others will say, no, no, it's not gringoes. It's aliens. Precisely because of the apparent technology being deployed in this phenomenon. So the villagers were claiming that these incursions were the face pealers of pelicans. And again, some of them thought these are gringos. Others thought these were aliens. And there were a handful of videos that surfaced in July of 2023.

And one of the more prominent ones that probably got the most traction online was from the village of San Antonio de Pintojuku, which is located in the Peruvian Amazon, northern Peruvian Amazon, in the district of Nanae. And this is northwest of the city of Ikitos. And I was obviously very interested in this face peeler phenomenon, specifically because I lived in that part of the jungle. I'm very familiar with the jungle around Ikitos. And as a young man, I was 19 years old, living with indigenous people and some of these communities. That's where I learned Spanish. And so I was especially intrigued by this phenomenon. And I had heard of the face peeler phenomenon when I was living in those communities.

And so naturally, fans of mine were asking me, begging me to go to Peru, to investigate. Well, luckily for me, I didn't have my passport at the time because I had sent it in to get renewed. And so it just turned out that I didn't have my passport. So I was glad because I really didn't want to get involved in this situation. I'd like to keep my face. Exactly. Yeah, I kind of like having a face. So I just sort of sat back and watched us unfold like everybody else

and was waiting for somebody to go do an investigation. And it was July is when this really broke out, mid-July to end July, and it went into August and it wasn't going away. And there were various incursions. I mean, it was a big deal. It was all over the Peruvian press. The Peruvian press was taking this really, really seriously. And then ultimately it made its way to the American press.

And the villagers were desperate. The villagers of San Antonio de Pinto Yaku in particular were begging the Navy to come and protect their village. There's a Navy base in the Ikitos, and they were begging the Navy to come protect their village. In fact, they were making videos and where they're holding signs saying, you know, please help us, send patrols,

something like that. And nobody was going. Nobody was helping these people. And more and more videos were surfacing. And then there was an attempted abduction of one of a young girl in the village. Let me say that again. There was an attempted abduction of a 15-year-old girl in the village. Her name is Talia. And she was being abducted by these face peelers and she was saved. And I'll get into that a little bit. And when I saw that, I knew this is serious because she She was unconscious and she had incisions under her jawline. And I thought, okay, this is serious. I know these people.

I know these indigenous communities. They're not making this up. And so ultimately the provincial government sent, in the wake of this attempted abduction, sent to police officers from the city of Ikitos and they had a Navy escort. So they went in a navy boat, not like a ship, just a, you know, a small Navy escort. They went to the village and they did an investigation. And they, because they had to, because there was an attempted abduction. So they went to the village and they interviewed some people and it was these two police officers

who concocted, they confected a ridiculous story. They said that the village was being, the villagers never said this. They said that the villagers were being attacked by river miners with state of the art jet packs. And when I heard that, I instantly knew it was absurd. Because what the villagers were saying about these assailants is that they were wearing, they were wearing some kind of armor plating. Okay. Armored body suits, head to foot. They had helmets.

The helmets had almond-shaped eye lenses. And some of them shot these guys at point-blank range, with shotgun, 16 gauge, to no effect. They said that these assailants could fly, that they could hover off the ground. Of their own bodies or on some contraption? That gets a little complex, but the initial story was that they could hover,

that one guy said a meter off the ground and they could shoot up into the sky. And if you've ever been to the Amazon jungle, the idea of trying to navigate through the canopy with a jetpack is absurd. At night, by the way. Absurd. And then furthermore, the idea that river miners,

Peruvian river miners are in possession of this technology is even more absurd. All these people who were parroting this story, this false story, so confidently, that Peruvian press picked it up, and then the American news agencies here ran with it, like News Nation and others, ran with it. But, oh, mystery solved.

It was miners with jet packs. It's like, okay, hold on a minute. You people have never encountered river miners in Peru. I have. And you don't know anything about the Amazon jungle if you think you can fly around the canopy with a jetpack at night. So I knew it was absurd.

And I couldn't believe that the media bought the story. I couldn't believe it. So I got my passport back. And I resolved to go. Because I thought, I couldn't believe no one went out there to, to conduct an investigation. Nobody had gone,

except for these two police officers. So... I'm even stuck on the jetpack. Like, there are... I guess there are jet packs. There's like... It's not like in cartoons, I assume, but... So there is some jetpack technology

that's extremely loud. And there's some battery operated jetpack technology because... I say battery operated because these guys flew silently. That's the other detail that I didn't mention. They were silent. So it had to be like battery operator or something like that. And there is some technology like that out there today, but it's very limited, very limited.

And it's, you can't fly for very long because the battery runs out. And so. And you probably can't get through the canopy of the jungle. No. And it's very expensive. And it's not really available in the commercial market. And so the story was that the cartels were funding. this operation and the whole purpose of this bizarre phenomenon was to drive the villagers off of their land

so that the river miners could mine for gold in the rivers which are under their jurisdiction by the way these indigenous communities that's their jurisdiction they they have oversight over that traditionally the government proving government has conceded land just like here except we put indians in the reservation over there they still live in their tradition So we don't tend to give our reservations gold. But I could see, look. Or jet packs. Or jet packs, for that matter. We do, though, if it were the cartel, I could see why the cartel wants money, and there's money here, and they like terrorizing people, and they cut people's faces off.

So that kind of checks out. Yeah. And the jetpack thing do cut people's faces. Yes. They do. But the jetpack thing is kind of, that's a little weirder. So I did know what was happening. I was following the story.

I did a couple videos on my YouTube channel about it. And I didn't know if it was cartels. Maybe there was some cartel activity. But the basic premise I knew was absurd. So I resolved to go to Peru myself. And I was accompanied by my friend Doug Thornton, who was an infantry Marine and a DHS operator. We didn't want to just go to the village,

a couple of gringoes showing up and, you know, tell me about the space aliens that are attacking you. Ola. So we wanted to provision the village. We were going to go. We wanted to provision them with technology. The men of the village were conducting patrols at night. They were exhausted.

They were no longer going out to their chakras to their farms because of this. They were terrified. I mean, these people were terrified. Yeah. And so they were running out of food. They're pleading with the government to help them. Nobody's helping them. So we decided to provision them.

And in fact, I got in contact through a colleague of mine, Brazilian euthologist. Ronnie Vernet and he connected me with with somebody in the village with one of the villagers and this young man's name was Christian. He was the teacher there and it was Christian who had filmed, taken the footage of the incidents that went viral on the internet and so I talked to Christian. I speak Spanish. I talked to Christian and he suggested that I record a video, record an record audio and express my intention and that he would give that audio recording to the council of elders. And I did that. He gave the audio recording, played the audio recording for them to the chief,

the Apu, and his elders in the village. And they responded very warmly and invited me officially to come to their village. So they sent me like this official. document and were inviting me to come to do this investigation. So once I had that, I made arrangements for a riverboat to take me up the river. This is deep in the jungle. Yeah. And you know, it's a couple days up the river, the Pintu Yaku, up the Nanai, and then the Pinto Yaku. And so in addition to the technological implements that we were bringing with us, we were bringing radios, high-powered flashlights, lights, some night vision goggles, technology that had recording capabilities so that they could record the phenomenon.

And some other gear as well, some other tactical gear for their patrols. And in addition to that, the villagers were in need of medical supplies and food. And so with the help of a mutual friend, Pastor Dary and Tyler from Conduit Church, Pastor Tyler and some of the men from his church raised some money to help us provision the village. Oh, great. So thank you to the men of Conduit Church. And so we were able to provision the village with these supplies.

Actually, I was met in Ikitos by the Apu. The chief of the village met me in Akitos and went up the river with us. He escorted us up the river with us. some of the guys from his village. And also, because I didn't know what I was getting into, I thought there's a good chance that cartels involved here. So I contracted with two jungle commando Navy guys,

Peruvian guys to go with us. You can do that in Peru. Active duty guys. And so they went up the river. And so we went to the village on this riverboat. By the way, all of this footage, we filmed it on GoPro's and stuff. It's all on my YouTube channel in a video.

We went up the river, and I've been in these communities a lot, as I said. Very, very familiar with the cultures out there. I speak a dialect. It's Spanish, but it's a form of Spanish that mixes in a lot of Quechua. And they call it Chattapa. And that's the kind of Spanish I speak naturally, Chattapa, because I learn to speak it in the jungle. So they always find that humorous. It's like if a Peruvian...

It's not Castile. No, no, it's like if a Peruvian, if you met a Peruvian here in the United States who spoke with a, like, a really, really strong Tennessee accent or Louisiana accent. That's what I was like to them. So I arrived at the village and it was like I was greeted by a small army of guys with shotguns. And I've never seen that before. I mean, everybody's got guns out in the jungle. Even though you're not allowed to own guns in Peru, but they give special, um, they, they, they, you know, They give special, what's what I'm looking for here, they give special permissions, concessions to the indigenous communities. Yeah. And so there were dozens and dozens of guys who met me at the shore armed to the teeth. But luckily they had, thankfully had smiles on their face. You know, they weren't, they didn't look like they were.

Said, I'm not here to take any faces. Exactly. I promise you. And we were very, very much aware of the fact that here's a couple of gringoes coming in, right on the heels of this face peeler phenomenon and, you know, that maybe half the villagers are going to think we're the face peeler. So we were a little bit nervous about that. So they received us very warmly into the village.

In fact, they brought us into this building at the center of the village called the Tambo. And it's a government outpost. And it's a communication center that was built by the provincial government. and they put it there specifically because this is a very important village. These are the Ikitu people. And very, very ancient indigenous culture living in the Amazon. And this was like the last outpost of civilization before just a vast uninhabited track of Amazon jungle. And so there happened to be a communications outpost there, which means there was Internet.

And that's a very important component of the story because the villagers, even though these are indigenous people, and they're not wearing grass skirts. You know, these are civilized villagers. They are, they watch all the same movies we do. Yeah. They're on YouTube. They have Facebook accounts because they sit in the tombo with their cell phones and they're able to have internet access way out there in the middle of the jungle.

They better subscribe to the Michael Knoll's YouTube channel. I don't know how to say that in. You're going to have to start a, a Spanish channel. A catch a lot of, yeah, right. Just for the village of San Antonio, Intu Yaku. So, anyway, they, they receive. us very warmly. They did, they, they did this traditional dance for us and we drink Masato, which is masticated yucca. And it was, it was really cool. All that's filmed on my YouTube

channel. And then, and then I initiated the investigation and we interviewed dozens of people, dozens and dozens of people from the village. And we got the same story from everybody. First of all, it was apparent that these people were, it was like, we were encountering people with with PTSD. Huh. It was immediately apparent to us that whatever happened in this village, it was serious. How many of them had firsthand experience of these, rather than, you know, my grandma was attacked last night, you know?

Most, I shouldn't say most of them, probably half of the villagers. Half of them had like seen the face-spaned. Had experienced the phenomenon. Okay. And let me give you the details of what this phenomenon actually was. Okay. So as I began to interview these people. a couple of things became immediately apparent.

Number one, the incursions would begin only at night, right after sundown, and the way that they knew that these assailants were coming is they would see these little, like flying saucers in the sky. These little saucers, and they'd see the saucers hovering around in the sky, and then the saucers would go down into the canopy. And then shortly thereafter, two of the assailants, in many cases, would be found making an incursion into the village. And what these saucers were were circular hoverboards.

So these guys were flying on circular hoverboards over the canopy, and then they would land in the jungle, land the hoverboards in the jungle, disembark and then come into the village, sneak into the village. Many of the villagers saw the saucers, saw the, some of the guys would flash their flashlights up at them and would see a guy surfing on one of these things. And as I said earlier, they were dressed head to foot in armored body suits with helmets. And one of the villagers liking them famously on one of these videos that surfaced in July like to the green goblin from the Spider-Man.

Yeah. And you remember the green goblin flew around on that apparatus. And he had a body suit. But in this case, he had a green body suit and he had the helmet and the almond-shaped eyes. So it was actually, that's very close to what they were seeing, like the green goblin, except they weren't green, they were black. They were wearing some sort of what we think was some sort of stealth armor. and one guy swore to me, the one he shot at point-blank range, was dressed in a silver armored body suit.

The silver surfer. The silver. So everybody else said black. This one guy said, no, I'm telling you it was silver. And he shot this guy at point-blank range 15 feet away, knocked the guy back. The guy fell back, and I guess I should say, to begin with, that this assailant was floating but not on a disc. There was some sort of mechanism on the bottom of his boots.

Many of the villagers told me this, that there were two discs on the bottom of their footwear and they were glowing, these discs were glowing, and that these guys could float around. So aside from the hoverboards, which they landed and then disembarked from their hoverboards, they could still hover around just on some kind of technology incorporated into their footwear.

Many of the villagers told me this. In fact, the Apu told me that they would find their tracks in the jungle, but they weren't boots. There were two circles. Like you could see the outline of like a boot, but it was two circles. Like there were some sort of like pads, circular devices on the bottom. And so these assailants, they were wearing backpacks, but they were like hard shell backpacks. And they weren't jetpacks. So the flight technology was in their boots.

and was in the hoverboards. The backpacks we surmise were batteries, reactors of some kind. But it gets even more bizarre because not only did these people encounter these assailants on these circular hoverboards, they also encountered, numerous villagers encountered what I can only describe as advanced aerospace vehicles,

UFO type. Yeah, yeah. That would hover silently over the village. And these craft were shaped like an acorn on its side. Okay. So it's kind of a delta shape. Not exactly like an acorn, but more or less like an acorn. Like a Star Wars Destroyer.

Yeah, something like that, but more rounded. And they were about the size of a large helicopter. So like the size of like a Black Hawk or Chinook. They were silent. And I interviewed a handful of villagers who had close encounters with these craft. One lady said she came out of her house because they were all living in terror. Yeah. And during the entire month of July and part of the month of July, these villages were living in abject terror.

She said that they would all be huddled up every night. Everybody would be huddled up in their house. What years? In their hut. This is 2023. Everybody is huddled up in their house with their machetes and their shotguns, scared to death. And she said that they would hear the assailants come into the village because these assailants, she even told me something bizarre. She said that they were, they would knock on the walls.

and they would pull on the boards, because these are primitive huts with like boards and grass roofs, and they would pull on the boards and bang on the walls. And she said sometimes they would see these guys, and they would always come two by two. They would see these guys,

and they were terrifying, she said, because they had these glowing almond-shaped eyes. Eye lenses. Some said glowing yellow, some said glowing green, which we think maybe is some kind of night vision technology. And she said they,

she saw one jump over, her house. He had some kind of technology in his footwear where he was able to leap over her house and she said one day she came out and she looked up and right above her house was one of these craft hovering silently. She said it was Matt Black. It was hovering silently. And another individual told me he was at three in the morning he went out to pull up his nets in the river and he said he's pulling his nets up and suddenly it's like the sun came up. He said, somebody turned the lights on. And it was, everything was illuminated around him, and he was in his canoe.

He looks up in about, he said about 20 to 30 feet above him is one of these craft hovering there silently. He said, but it was translucent. He said, I could see the body of the craft like mesh, like looking through a screen door. Yeah, yeah. And I could see two individuals inside of it. And it was, he described it a great deal. In great detail, he drew it for me on a cross. acrylic chalkboard. I filmed it. And he described how it was just hovering silently,

had a delight these floodlights on, and then it deployed these. It didn't have wings. It had little stubby protrusion instead of wings. And these protrusions opened up and they deployed a series of rapidly blinking lights. And then they closed. They folded back in. And then it just sort of turned and started to move away. And he said, when it started to move away, it generated a low frequency hum. And this isn't one or two people. Multiple people in the village saw this crap, described it in the exact same terms.

Drew it in the dirt for me. And this guy on the acrylic chalkboard. So, you know, initially when we first began our investigation, we were in the village for three days. When we initially began our investigation, Doug and I, the first day, we heard about six testimonies. We went out into the areas where they encountered these things,

and they described what they saw and what happened. We went back to our, we were staying on the riverboat that was parked, that was harbored right out, right by, right on the bank of the river, right by the village. Yeah, yeah. And we went back and we huddled up with our security guys, with our, with our Navy guys. And we said, okay, we think this is the cartels. This is before they started telling me about the advanced aerospace vehicles. I hadn't heard that yet.

Our initial thought was this is cartels. And we decided that we need to make sure that if this is cartels, it's likely they're watching us or they know that we're up here. And we need to make sure that our security at night, somebody's up, somebody's constantly surveilling the area. Because, you know, we really thought we were in danger at first. Of course. But then as the testimonies were coming forward in the following day

about these aerospace vehicles, then I knew we're not dealing with the cartels. Cartels do not have advanced aerospace vehicles. I mean, they've got impressive resources, some of the cartels. Helicopters, yeah, they've got helicopters and probably, you know, armored vehicles and everything like that. But not many spaceships. They don't have many spaceships. No.

So we knew once we started here in these, once we started realizing that there's advanced technology being deployed, that we're not in the realm of cartels anymore. That's probably a relief to your guards too. You say, like, hey, Captain Rodriguez, you can take a nap now because you're not. going to stop. Oh, no, they still stayed up all night. They still stayed up all night. And we did, too, because we were there to, we wanted to film the phenomenon. So we were up to like three in the morning because usually, the phenomenon usually would begin, as I said, right after dark. Yeah. And then carry through the night. So we were able to interview Talia, the 15-year-old girl who was being abducted, who was nearly abducted. And my first encounter with Talia was one evening,

we went into the village and in the evening in these indigenous communities, the villages are all in the square. Yeah. And they're all, all the men play soccer, all the women play volleyball. And so they're all playing soccer and volleyball. And we walk into the square and we notice a teenage girl sitting all by herself up against a hut. And she's sitting there with a smile on her face just watching her friends play volleyball. And we found out that that was Talia. That was the girl that was nearly abducted.

And so I talked to the Apu, the village, and I said, we would like to talk to Talia, but we don't want to approach ourselves. Yeah, yeah. So can you go and talk to her and see if she'll come and let us interview her? And so he went and got her father. And in the meantime, Talia is just sitting there enjoying herself. She looks over at us. and as soon as she locks eyes on us, she starts to tremble.

And she turns her head and she takes her hair and pulls it over the side of her face to hide her face from us, and she's trembling. And we can tell she's crying. Yeah, yeah. So as soon as she saw us, it was like PTSD. Yeah. And we really felt bad for her

because obviously something traumatic had happened to this young lady. And her father went over and talked to her and then came over to us and said, I'm sorry, but she does not want to talk to her. you. She's just, she's frightened, she's crying, she's, she's very traumatized, she doesn't want to talk to you. And she associated, she was associating us with her, with her abductors. Yeah. And so he said, hey, come by my house tomorrow morning,

just come by in the morning, I'll bring her out, I'll talk to her, I'll get her to talk to you guys. So the next morning we showed up at his house in the village and and we went into the backyard and he brought Tali out to us and when Talia came out when she saw us she started trembling and crying. I mean it was a parent abundantly apparent that this girl had major PTSD severe. So she long story short she started to tell me what had happened and what happened to Taliah was in the midst of when these incursions were happening in July in the midst of this situation one evening she's in her backyard and she's got like this long stick and she's knocking fruit down from the tree to make a drink

as the sun is going down. And she knocked one of these fruits down on the ground and she bent over to pick it up and she said she felt the wind at her back and the dry leaves were rustled on the ground. She went to pick up this fruit. And she looked behind her and she said she saw a man very, very tall. By the way, all of the villagers said that the assailants were very tall, taller than me. And I'm really tall in Peru. Yeah. And I'm 6'1. Most of them said the villager, most of the villagers were describing people who were

seven feet tall, six and a half to seven feet tall. That's what they were all saying. So she said that she looks, she looks back and she sees this guy dressed in a black armored bodysuit, helmet and everything, almond-shaped eye lenses, surfing on a circular hoverboard. He came, there's, in her backyard, there's like a galley. It's a forested gauly. There's jungle down there.

They have a little chicken coop back there. And there's like this, this yard full of jungle, and then her neighbors are around, right? And he said, this guy came surfing up the hill of the gauly, landed next to her and grabbed her from behind. And he put his hand over her mouth. And he grabbed her. And as he was doing that, she saw another one. The second one come up. Same thing, surfing on this hoverboard.

landed in front of her and grabbed her feet. And then, she even described some of the body armor. She said they had hard body armor on their arms. It wasn't all over their body. It was like a suit with body armor on it. Okay. And she said that when they lifted off the ground holding her, one like this with covering her mouth from behind

and the other one holding her feet, when they lifted off the ground, they reached down and touched something on their boots. And that engaged the technology. and they lift it up. So now they got her on their hoverboards. Yeah. And they proceed to take her, fly her behind the chicken coop.

They land. Okay. And then one of them takes out some cream and some powder. And he starts to mix the cream and powder together. And then he takes a syringe, which seems to us it's a nasal syringe, sucks up the powder and shoots it up her nose. Okay. And it makes her delirious.

It makes her incapacist. But she's still conscious, but now she's kind of whatever it is. Loopy. Yeah, she's not all there. But after this, they took out another cream and she said this one looked like a, like a tube of toothpaste. And the guy put it and they had gloves on. The guy put it in his hand and they wiped it on the gloves and then they began to spread it on her face. Okay.

And remember, there's a guy in front and the other guy has her by the mouth and behind. So the guy in front is spreading it on her face. And she said she heard the guy holding her from behind say, be careful, be careful, don't put too much on. It's going to ruin the flesh. Okay. Now, what language is he saying this? Spanish.

They're speaking Spanish. Okay. But she told me, because of course I was very interested in this detail, I hadn't heard before, that she hears these guys speaking. And so I inquired, they're speaking Spanish obviously, because that's all she's speaking. She understood it, yeah. And I said, well, what kind of Spanish?

did they speak? Did they have an accent? She said, yes, she called him the gringo. The guy was holding her mouth. The gringo had a gringo accent. I said, well, what about the other guy? No, no, he sounded just like us. So I thought, okay, if she's recalling this accurately, you got like a Peruvian operator and a gringo. Yeah. And so then after they smear this cream on her face, she said she felt her face go numb. And then they took out what sounds like, and her description sounds like a laser, uh, uh, Is it a... Scapple. Like a... Yeah, yeah, okay. Is that the word scapals? Scalple. Scalple.

There's a scapular, which I wear, but no, scalpel. Yes, scalpel. Like a blade that doctors use for surgeries. But she said it was like, it wasn't just a blade, it was like a laser thing. Okay. And they started to make an incision under her jaw line. And actually she had two incisions, so they were cutting too low and then they went up higher. So they're cutting right here under her jaw.

And as they're done, they're cutting right here under her jaw. And as they're done, they're just, they're done it. doing this, she's realizing they're about to take my face off. Remember, this isn't the first incursion. So everybody in the village thinks they're being attacked by the face peelers. And here's 15-year-old Talia having the face peelers, who she's heard of. I mean, they're all staying up at night, walking,

the men are doing patrols every night. So she's thinking they got me. They're going to cut my face off. And she knows she has one more opportunity. If she can break loose, she has one opportunity to scream. And she starts to wiggle. And she said the guy in front slapped her in the face. So they start cutting.

She starts writhing. The guy in front slaps her in the face. And when he did that, he knocked her loose from the guy holding her. And she screamed. She let out a blood-curdling scream. And remember, the villagers are in a state of vigilance. They're sitting there with their flashlights or walking patrols. They hear her screen, her brother and the neighbors, and they come running.

And they're on scene probably in 30 seconds. Yeah. They're on scene. And this is where her story ends and their story begins because she goes unconscious. She remembers when she screamed, she remembers them saying, we have, let's go, let's go, we have to go. And the one guy said, we can't leave her behind. So he grabbed her, this is the last thing she remembers, he grabbed her from her hair, by her hair, and started dragging her. Like he's floating on his disc, dragging her, trying to pull her up into the air.

And they couldn't do it. So they dropped her. That's the last thing she remembers. Being pulled by her hair and dropped. They were dragging her up the hill to go up and out. This is when the villagers show up. Her brother and some of the others. They see Talia laying on the ground.

She's got blood on her neck. She's face down. And these two guys surfing on these heavily. So they see the guys. Oh, they see them. They're on scene. It's not because it could be she's loop. She admits she's loopy.

She's delusional. If they just show up and see the girl. No, no, they see the guys. Okay. We talked to them. And her dad was explaining all this to me as well. They see the guys. Surfing on the hoverboards.

Yeah. And when the villagers show up, they go through the canopy on the hoverboards. So very, it's, it was very visceral. Okay, these were not people fantasizing. These were people who were frightened. These are people who had PTSD. Yeah. These are, she had the scars on her neck.

And there's video of her right after this happened. She went unconscious, and she was unconscious for a long time, and her face was numb and swollen. And the incision was very precise. So it wasn't like an open. It was very, very precise incision. And so there were multiple encounters. That was the most dangerous.

What do they do with the girl? I mean, do they take her to doctor? They took her down the river to the next village down that had a medical post. Okay. She was treated, mainly treated for, I mean, whatever they shot up her nose, rendered her ultimately unconscious. And it didn't wear off for days. And her face, as I said, her face was inflamed.

And then she woke up and she was diagnosed with severe PTSD afterward. Her father showed me the paperwork. Yeah, yeah, of course. We actually paid for her to go to see a psychiatrist in Ikitos because she was, we felt really bad for that. Yeah, of course. Just little girl's life was not little girl, this adolescent girl was just, it was sad. I mean, so, um, so this is a very real tangible face-to-face kind of phenomenon. This isn't people imagining things. This is, the villagers are all saying the same thing. Yeah. Um, one guy said, I interviewed this one

guy and he said that there was a night where the, the assailants were making an, an encouraging, into the village. The villagers spotted them. Remember, they're walking patrols. The villagers spot them and the men start to run after them, one of them at least. I don't remember if there's two guys or one, but they were running after this guy. And he said, I don't know who these people are or what they are, but he said, what I can tell you is that they didn't move like a human being. He said they were inhumanly agile. And I personally think we're maybe looking at some sort of exosuit technology. Maybe that's why they're so tall.

Again, a lot of... What do you mean an exosuit? Like an exosuit, like there's some kind of technology built into their suit that allows them to run fast. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like a military exosuit of some kind. Yeah. Now, keep in mind, half of the villages

convinced these are aliens. Okay? Half are convinced their aliens, half are convinced they're gringos. Yeah. And they chased this guy through the jungle. And they said he was fast. He jumped into the river.

He swam across the river, jumped out of the river onto the bank, and then, like, flew off. He just alighted and disappeared. And not vanish, but moved off. He got away. He got away. So they came, you know, closer. At least they made the effort to try and capture these guys. They put up a perimeter of traps around their village.

They set up nine traps. And these are traps that they commonly use in the jungle. to shoot game. Yeah. And they're not guns. They're just like tubes with a hammer mechanism and a charge or something.

A cartridge. A shotgun cartridge. And what they did was they realized that their birdshot wasn't having any effect. They would tell me they heard it dinking off of the armor. The BBs, the bird shot, 16-gauge shotgun. The cartridges,

the BBs were just dinking off of the armor. And so what they started to do is open up their cartridges and melt the BBs into into in basically into buckshot. Yeah, right, right. And so they set up these nine traps and with rope with string triggers. That's how they do it. These are very dangerous. People get their ankles blown off all the time in the jungle with these things.

And they would hear the traps going off at night. And then they would run out there and there was no sign that anybody had been hit. just the footprints, those circular, the two circle footprints, right, on each foot. That's all they would see, the footprints. And it's almost as if, to me, it's as if these guys were, the assailants were just lighting the traps off for fun. They didn't shoot anybody, and they raised them up so that they would be at the knee, shoot the knees.

Well, tragically, one of the ladies from the village walked through the trap, shortly before we arrived to the village and blew a hole in her thigh. She survived and she kept her leg, but blew a hole in the thigh. So they took the traps down before we got there. Yeah, that's probably good. I mean, bad for her, but good for you that she didn't step in. Yeah, and in fact, there was a guy. We brought some anti-venom because a guy had been bit by a venomous snake.

And so we brought anti-venom. That's just an ancillary detail. Yeah, yeah. I'd like to avoid both the home alone Ketshua booby traps and the venomous snakes. But the, you know, it was just, the whole experience was, it was surreal. There's no question that the villagers had experienced something extraordinary, physical. There's no question to us that they had witnessed technology because the testimonies were consistent. Yeah.

And... Now there's a question, I think, on most people's minds. What were the guys? Okay, so this wasn't the only village that was assaulted. Numerous villages in the area were assaulted. and in fact there was heightened UFO activity during that time. So there was a boy from a village who claimed that there was a saucer, flying saucer that was pursuing him and shooting some kind of beam at him and picking him off the ground.

And then there was a group of high, there was a group of college students who were in the jungle on some assignment. And they all witnessed a being, some kind of being like non-human entity walking in the jungle. There's all kinds of stories like this that were happening around that same period of time. Now, look, a skeptic would say, I'm not saying I am a skeptic here, but a skeptic would say, well, you know, could this be like the Salem witch trials? You know, where people really, there was a communal phenomenon or perception. It's a communal psychosis, though, where you say, I saw Lady Sally, you know, fly her broomstick over my house last night. No question. There was psychosis.

No question about it. people were freaking out all over the jungle in Peru, not just in the Altunanae region, all over the jungle. Yeah. There were incursions apparently that were happening hundreds of miles away from this area in the region of Terrapoto in that area, and then near Poucalpa, which is further south

and on the border of Brazil. So Peru was gripped with this face-peeler flap that was happening and everybody was talking about it. So yes, there is certainly an element of psychosis. Anything bizarre that you see if you're a Peruvian at that time. It was a face peeler. It's a face peeler. So, but here's the thing. The narrative, once the narrative of the jetpack miners was distributed by the media,

everybody lost interest in the story. Everybody thought, oh, okay, it's just those pesky jetpack. miners. Just trying to drive these villagers off of their land. Had a few of them in my backyard last week. Yeah, right, exactly. And in fact, News Nation, I watched an episode with News Nation. They didn't talk to me. They talked to somebody else. And they were just sort of laughing about it. Oh, yeah, it's just, this happens all the time. And I'm like thinking, wait a minute, you're not, you don't know any of the details here, none. So they just ignore the testimony of the villagers. And the story was definitively debunked. because there were incidents that happened in the city of Naota, okay?

It's 36,000 inhabitants. Yeah. There's a military installation there. The Navy's there, the army's there, there's helicopters, there's a large police presence in Naota. It's the only city that you can drive to from Ikitos, and you can't get to Akitos, by the way, except by boat or air. There's no roads that go to it. And these incursions and this phenomenon was happening there. So if you're going to say that this is jetpack miners trying to drive these villagers off their land

Spruiting them. Right, right. Why would they go to the city? Why are they, that's a soft target? Why are they attacking a hard target with helicopters, automatic weapons that doesn't make, and nobody pointed this out except for me? So it can't, that can't be the full explanation. But could it be the case that it really was the jetpack miners in the small villages and

it was just psychosis in the cities? I don't think so because when I went to the Nauta, because there was a particular video that surfaced from Nauta that I was fascinated by this video. And the video depicted it was in this neighborhood in Nauta. It was nighttime. And the neighbors, all the neighbors are in a state of panic. And they're all, the dogs are barking, people are yelling,

and somebody's capturing this on a cell phone. And in the video, there's a guy with a flashlight. And he goes, there it is, there it is. And he flashes his flashlight into the trees above this house. And it looks like there's something in the trees. It looks like there's a creature in the trees. And everybody's freaking out. And that happened in Nauta, okay?

This is a city of 36,000 heaven. So I wanted to go see if I could find this location during the day to get a sense of what maybe what was he pointing at. What are we looking at here? So I was able to find this particular area and I interviewed the neighbors. And apparently there were multiple incidents that happened at this location, not just one.

And because I showed the neighbors this video and the neighbor who lives right across the street said, well, I haven't seen this particular thing, but there's these other incidents that happened at the same spot. And what she saw, she said one night her and her neighbors saw a flying saucer hovering above the trees. And it deployed a light down into the, like down, like as if something was beaming down or something. And she drew it on the ground.

She drew the shape of it and showed me what it was from her perspective. What she saw was like a flying saucer. It had a perimeter of lights. It wasn't a small one like the guys were surfing. It was a big one. And she said it just hovered there for a moment and then it flew away. And the other neighbors confirm that they've seen stuff like that right there in the yard. And so I filmed the area where this had taken place.

And it was apparent to us that whatever this, if there was something in the trees, it had to be very large. Because in the video it looks like, because it's nighttime and it's cell phone footage, it looked like it was, there was a tree directly above the house. But in reality, the tree isn't directly above the house. It's 50 yards behind the house. And so something happened there. on several occasions. And then this lady told me that during this period of time when these indigenous communities are being attacked,

she said that they would hear gunshots ringing out on the outskirts of town in Nauta. And there was, just like in San Antonio, some of the guys who were living in Nauter were walking, doing a patrol, protecting their own village because the government wasn't doing anything. They were protecting their own village

in this case city of Nauta, guys would be on patrol. And she said one of those guys was her neighbors, one of her neighbors. And he came home that night and she asked him, what were those gunshots? And you know what he saw? He saw two guys surfing on a disc, a hoverboard disc, circular hoverboard. Just like the villagers of San Antonio, the Pinto Yaku. Same phenomenon covered head to foot in black body armor helmets. Same thing.

In Nauta. Okay? So buy-bye jet pack miners with jet packs. That's not the answer here. Okay. So then who are they? So I'll tell you one more anecdote here. So right before we got there, the media in Peru published this story, it was a footage

of this boy from a village called Bagasan, which is not far from Nauta. And this is all in the general same area, all these stories I'm telling you, generally the same area of the jungle. This was shortly before we got there. boy had been opened up like a fish under his jaw line. And in Peru, they put everything on TV. Like the most grotesque, gruesome car accident. They don't blur anything. They just put it on TV. That's what they do. So I watched the footage of this boy who they were, they were filming him inside of the clinic. And he was just got came in. And I mean, he looked like he had fish gills cut under his jaw. And this time it wasn't like it was, it was, it was.

It wasn't like Talia where it was, they were just beginning to cut. They cut and his skin was just flapping. And he had blood streaming down his shirt. And he was, he was semi-conscious, basically. And he was, he was in shock. And thank God, they saved his life. They gave him blood. They sewed him up.

He almost died. He was in the hospital for a long time. But they saved his life. And he said that he was attacked by face peelers. Describe the same thing. Yeah, yeah. This is a village called Bagazan. But he was in Nauta.

They brought him to Nauta get treated. And why they let him go? So that is what, what, that's where I started to formulate a theory, a hypothesis about this whole situation. After seeing that footage, I thought to myself, and after interviewing the people in San Antonio de Pinto Yaku, I thought, if these guys are face peelers, they really, really suck at peeling faces. Yeah.

With all this technology, with all the time they're operating the junk, junk, They almost get to one kid and one 15-year-old girl. Yeah, you can make a hoverboard, but you can't rip someone's face off. Exactly. So I thought something's wrong with this picture. And I failed to mention that they did find a young man in the river. And this was filmed. I put it on my YouTube channel, and I got an age restriction on the video.

Fair enough. It was a guy that were pulling out of the river, and half of his face or three quarters of his face had been surgically removed. And it's, I mean, it looks like, you know, this half of his face is just, bleached bone and it's surrogic, it's like if you look at this video and you can probably still find it online. Yeah, because you could say it'd be like a piranha. No, it was not, it was not predators because it was surgical the way that this skin had been removed. And I've seen I've seen piranhas, the devastation that piranhas inflict on an animal, a dead animal in the water or a live animal. They, their teeth marks, well, they bite the bone up. They, they masticate the bone

Like it's all, it's not clean. Yeah, yeah. It's not clean. So this was clean. Somebody had surgically removed this guy's face, okay? So they got one. Yeah. They got one, apparently, but it didn't make any sense to me.

So I, my hypothesis is that somebody was operating in the Peruvian Amazon with advanced technology, aerospace technology and otherwise. And they were using the legend of the face. peelers as cover for something else. So I think they were purposely instilling fear in the indigenous communities and not just in the indigenous communities in the region in general as cover for some other operation that was happening. So that people would automatically default to the face peeler legend. Right. And it would be written off by the public and it would be written off by the authorities. Because it's not as though there were

dozens of people showing up with surgically removed faces. No. No. And they were were, it was a campaign of terror more than anything, it seems to me. Like I told you in the village, they would be pulling on the boards of the house, pounding on the walls. Right. So it's like they're terrorizing the people purposely. They want them to think that they're the face people. That's why the cartel hypothesis carries some weight. They also, the cartels, if they were involved, would have been terrorizing.

Yes, certainly. That's why we thought it was cartels in the beginning. Right. Until you have the aerospace vehicles and until you have Nauta. in the picture. Right. That's a, not just a hard target. So then, okay, so that this all tracks that it's a terror campaign.

They're not just accidentally the worst face pealers ever. So then what are they covering up? It gets more conspiratorial because there was some overlap in early July when this, when these incidents started to occur in the jungle and a military operation being run by the United States government in Peru called Resolute Central. And it involved, this operation involved, it was a training exercise. Yeah. And it involved the Marines, the Air Force, the Army, the Coast Guard, American Coast Guard,

Space Force, and some other American assets in conjunction with the proving counterparts and those of Brazil and I believe Uruguay was involved. And I'm pretty sure there's a handful of nations involved. The neighboring nations were involved, except for Bolivia. I think Ecuador was involved. Great Britain was involved. The United Kingdom was involved in this operation. And they deployed serious assets to Peru.

Like they had Air Force assets on the ground. They had Navy assets in the waters. The Peruvian military was running battleships and, you know, different kinds of Navy assets up the Amazon and as well as the United Kingdom. And it corresponded. overlap with the face peeler phenomenon. Now, that could be completely coincidental, of course. This wasn't the first resolute sentinel operation

that had happened in Peru. This was the- Is it just a training operation? It was a training operation. But my crazy conspiracy theory, which I'm not, I believe me, I'm not sold- Don't bring up any crazy conspiracy theories. Hold on.

Let's not get crazy here on your show. But my, and I'm not sure I'd subscribe to this. This is just the crazy conspiracy theory that I like to entertain. What if there was like a predator situation happening, like the movie Predator? When there was a real threat, a real phenomenon happening in the jungle, and that there was a response to this. Like we deployed assets to confront this phenomenon, this threat. But in order to cover this real operation, we use the training exercise. So that way you have a reason, you have an excuse to have all of these assets deployed in Peru.

Right. I mean, I think this is quite common. Honestly, I think this is quite common. So I'm not, hold on. Of all the things we've talked about, that you say, hold on, now I'm going to really get nuts here. What if the military sometimes had cover stories for their operation? Well, that's not the crazy part. The crazy part is what if there was either a human rogue group.

Yeah. Who knows who these guys would be, some kind of syndicate, maybe an international. syndicate of cartel-level operation, but actually much higher than cartel. This would be, this would be like a breakaway civilization type component here, people who are in possession of advanced technology clearly, who were doing something nefarious out there, and we were responding. Or maybe we could even play with the idea, entertain the idea at least, that perhaps there's a non-human component. That's what I said. That's why I said the Predators scenario. Okay, but hold on. I

thought the face peelers, the ones who were intentionally very bad appealing faces, who have all this crazy technology, I thought in this version of it, that's us. I mean, you know, that's a possibility. That's also a possibility. I don't like that one. I just don't like it. The thought that we would be deploying assets in the jungle and doing this to the people who live there, that's not something. That's not a thought of like it. But if it's not us just trying to make a cover for something else, then why were they bungling the face peeling because they themselves were covering this international specter or alien specter.

I was covering some other thing they were doing? The answer is I don't know. But apparently they were using the faith, whoever this was, they were using the face peeler phenomenon as cover because they knew their activities were going to be noticed. And in order to hide the real purpose and mission, you're hiding behind a legend. hiding behind a legend so that way it would be written off. And what happened? It was written off.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. So it succeeded. It succeeded. Everyone thought it was river miners with jet packs. Right. Right. Attacking these poor indigenous communities.

Yeah. It succeeded. The operation was successful in that, in that capacity for sure. But well, that stuff, that stuff happens. I'm not saying jet packs and face peeling necessarily always happens, but it is true that people cover their tracks and there are false flags and that stuff does have. happened, you know, throughout all of history. But, but then we still have no idea what they were actually up to or who they were. I have no idea. I don't know who they were. I don't know. I don't

know what they were up to. But you just said it could be a, a breakaway civilization or aliens. And you said that as like a throwaway. You said, I don't know, it might be breakaway. Well, I mean, these are, these are hypothetical scenarios that I don't know, I'm not necessarily 100% persuaded by anything. I don't know. All I know is that it was real. Something was happening. And let me tell you one more story. Yeah. So I come home. I publish my Facebook. video on my YouTube channel, which is an expedition report of what I had learned. And shortly thereafter, there was this account on X, and I think it was called Peru Alien Attacks or something like that, they contacted me, and they gave me the contact information

for this gentleman named Pablo, who lived in the vicinity of the city of Yerimangwas, which is kind of its south. it's southwest of the Altonanaai region. And it's an area of the jungle, another area of the jungle that I'm very familiar with. Yerty Mangas, I've been a lot of, I've been there quite a few times. But this was a homestead outside of Yerty Magu's in the jungle.

So this isn't a community, it's a community, but it's not a village, it's a homestead. So there's a few families living there. And I called Pablo, because he had a, I was told he had an interesting story to tell. So I talked to Pablo on the phone and Pablo told me that one day he was bathing in the river. And just as the sun was going down. And suddenly he hears some of the other people in the homestead yelling, the face peelers, the face peelers.

He comes running out of the river. He runs into his hut. He grabs his shotgun in his flashlight because it's getting dark. And he starts running around the homestead. And he said he saw two guys, same exact situation, dressed in the armored body suits. And they weren't on the hoverboards. They were just creeping toward the, on the edge of the jungle, creeping toward the homestead. He saw them.

He yelled at them and he discharged his firearm. And then he started to pursue them because they took off running into the jungle. He was pursuing them through the jungle. he gets close enough to them to get off another shot and this time he hits one of them and he said he heard like the again they're always using

they're always using birdshot the job he heard the BB's dink off of some body armor right one of the guys took off into the sky the other guy was trying to take off but he couldn't because apparently Pablo had damaged the technology so the guy is trying to lift off and he can't lift off so Pablo runs at him

and tackles him. He tackles the guy, but the guy doesn't go down. Instead, the guy is lifting off the ground with Pablo holding onto him, but not getting very high, trying to get away. And he pulls out, the assailant pulls out a, what Pablo says, look like a laser. It looked like one of those hand lasers. Yeah, yeah. Pulled out like this laser and shot Pablo with it. And Pablo said, he hit me with the laser and I went unconscious. And he said, I woke up, my dad, His father and his brother found him, and they were waking him up, and he comes to laying on the ground in the jungle. And he said, he said, whatever they hit me with damaged my heart. He was having heart trouble.

He went in to see the doctor, and it messed up like the timing of his heart. I think he had to get a pacemaker install. Whoa. And he believes for sure, these are people. These are human beings. Yeah, yeah. It was a very human, visceral experience for him. Yeah.

And he was hands-on these guys. So that's why I'm very persuaded that we're looking at like some kind of a black ops situation. I'm not saying it's military. I'm saying it could be some sort of an international syndicate. And the last thing I'll say about this, an international syndicate with advanced aerospace technology that's doing really nefarious things with it. And the last thing I'll say about this is some of your audience members are probably familiar with the story. and the guy's name is escaping me right now. I'm sure I'll remember it in a couple of minutes.

Dr. Stephen Greer, who's a famed eophologist, prominent eophologist, brought forth a testimony of Michael Herrera some years ago. And Michael Herrera, I'm probably going to botched them the details here, but Michael Herrera was, I think he was a Marine. Hopefully I'm getting that right. And he was deployed to Indonesia in the wake of, I can't remember if it was a hurricane or,

earthquake. It was a huge national disaster that rocked the country. And they were deployed there for humanitarian purposes to try and help and find people who were missing and so forth. And so he was there with his team. And in the course of them running this operation out there, they encountered a saucer, a massive saucer hovering in a clearing in the jungle. And it was like a flying saucer, But it was hovering there and it was enormous. It was like the size of a football field. And again, I'm probably going to botch the details. People can go look up Michael Herrera's story online.

I believe he was on Sean Ryan and some other shows telling the story. And he and his team, they approached this stationary saucer. It's just hovering there. And when they got in proximity to it, a group of paramilitary guys came out of the jungle and put their guns on them. And he said, these guys, I remember this to you, he said, this detail. These guys, he said, were much better armed than they were as Marines. And it was a very confrontational, scary situation for these guys.

And I don't remember the details, but the guys threatened them. And ultimately, they let the team go. But he saw that they were loading something onto the saucer, crates. And he saw, like, oxygen tanks connected to these large, like, crates. and through some information he gleaned later, he now believes that those crates, that what was in those crates were human beings, that somebody was in Indonesia

harvesting, taking advantage of the natural disaster, because you know a lot of people go missing. Yeah, yeah, right. You can't find them, right? Taking advantage of that environment to go and kidnap Indonesians. And they were loading them onto the saucer. and when so i had he came out with that a couple of years prior to me going into san antonio pinto yaku

and ultimately i believe herera's story ultimately i get the sense that these two things are somehow connected that somebody out there some crime syndicate some international you know group that's why i call them breakaway civilization because they're in possession of technology that the rest of us don't have, incredibly advanced technology, that they're apparently using for the most nefarious things imaginable. At a basic level, it's human trafficking. But I think the implication. Organ harvesting, human trafficking, who knows what they're doing.

But it's obviously nefarious. So maybe these guys in the Pruey and Amazon were doing the same thing. the face peeler phenomenon this cover, as I've said. So peeling some faces, making the villagers think that this is an alien phenomenon or something when in reality they're

out there running some kind of an op that maybe had to do with human trafficking or who knows what. But all I can tell you is that it was real and that it was nefarious. The villagers were freaked out. Everybody I talked to in the city of Ikitos, rather large city in the jungle there,

believed that this was happening. None them thought, oh, that's just people making it up. No, no, no. They were deathly serious about this phenomenon out there. You know what's weird? Well, all of that. But the thing that's really weird about that last story is of everything we've ever talked about in our like eight hours of interviews, that's kind of the most normal one. A crime syndicate terrorizes people and like tries to do bad things. That's like the most normal. I thought the face peelers was going to to be the wackiest one of all. Weirdly, that's the most down to earth. Yeah. And then up from the earth. Yeah. Frightingly so. There's something very tangible,

very visceral about that. And I do believe that there is some kind of a breakaway civilization. I hope that's the case because I don't want to contemplate a scenario in which the United States government or some other government is deploying things. Now we have to understand that and we're not going to, you know, it could be. You know it could be. Those Somalis are pretty good at fraud. Have you considered the Somali hypothesis? I think you crack the case. They're criminal, they're pirates, they...

We've got to go back down, you and I, to see if there's a layering center in Akitos. That's at the center of this entire thing. I've cracked the case, we've done it. No, but one last thing I'll say is I do get the sense that, as I said, there's some kind of a syndicate out there. And the reason why I find that idea to be compelling is because I know, I know that aerospace contractors here in the United States are in possession of non-human technology from the crash retrieval program. I am 100% persuaded that this is true.

Different conversation for a different day. So I know that at the very least, American aerospace contractors have some of these technological toys. They have developed some technology that is far in advance to anything we have in the in in the public sector certainly and it is derived from crash retrieval material non-human crash retrieval material that they've to some extent been able to reverse engineer. So this or is that or is that the good cover story? I've been well I've been interacting with a lot of people behind the scenes people inside a government investigative groups associated with the government. And there's no question about this behind the scenes,

that this is a reality, that the American aerospace contractors are in possession of this kind of technology. In fact, this was the public testimony of Lou Elizando under oath at Congress in one of those congressional hearings, as well as David Grush and others. I just assume anything I hear in Congress is a total nonsense. I assume anything anyone ever says at the Capitol. I think that's a good, I think that's a good baseline assumption.

I do. I do. The problem is I've seen too much behind the scenes and interacted with too many people and these people, they're deadly serious about this situation. And what I've heard behind the scenes is that some of these contractors, so you have aerospace contractors who contract with the United States government, because remember the FOIA Act, I think that was passed in the 90s, and what that did was it allowed the American people,

people to make inquiries into these operations, these classified operations, and the government has to respond by law. And so what they did was they moved to some of these, what they call the legacy program, these legacy programs out of the government purview and into private aerospace contractors because you can't FOIA those. So that's a very dangerous situation because you can lose control of the situation really, really quickly when you do that. And you're playing the shell game and you don't really know now what has what they're doing with it because these aerospace contractors, they also contract.

They subcontract to other groups to do other things like crash recovery, for example. And other things, maybe testing some of this technology. So I'm not implicating American aerospace companies. I'm not saying they're the face peelers. But I'm saying what if some of this technology got into the wrong hands and there is now this syndicate that's using it again? again, for extremely nefarious purposes. If that's not true, somebody needs to make a Netflix TV show about it. Where are you going next and what are we going to talk about next time?

Well, I'm always... You're always going somewhere. I'm usually going back to Peru. I'll be back in Peru. I'm looking for a lost city in the jungle. And that's a whole other story. And there's some other things going on. We're involved in...

I'm involved in trying to get a project approved in the city. of Ikitos trying to open up what's this tunnel, this legendary tunnel called the Shinkana. And some people are familiar with that because I've been talking about this extensively, but also because there's a Peruvian archaeologist who has preempted our project and stolen some of our data and is looking for the Shinkana as we speak in Peru and trying to get My partner thrown in prison should he go back to Peru. So that's something that's been unfolding as well. Again, that's another story for another day.

But that's ongoing in Peru as well. If you're not in a Peruvian prison and as long as you still have your face on your head, I will look forward to hearing about the lost city and the tunnel next time. I can assure you that those are my two primary goals. Mr. Timothy Albarino. Thank you for being here. Thank you, sir. Always a pleasure.

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