The Michael Knowles Show - Knowles & a Real Exorcist RESPOND to Real X Posts | Off The Clock

Episode Date: July 11, 2026

What happens when Michael Knowles and a real-life exorcist let the internet ask the questions? Things get weird fast. Fresh off the viral Michael & The Exorcist episode, Michael Knowles sits down onc...e again with Father Dan Reehil to respond to some of the wildest questions, theories, and comments from X. From demons, ghosts, and possession to spiritual warfare, paranormal encounters, and questions people are too afraid to ask in church, nothing is off limits. Father Reehil brings his firsthand experience as an exorcist while Michael tries to separate internet myths from reality. Expect shocking stories, unexpected laughs, and fascinating insights into one of the most mysterious subjects in the modern world. 👇 Drop your questions in the comments—what should Michael and Father Reehil answer next? - - - Today's Sponsor: Pepperdine University - If you’re serious about serving your community—or even serving your country—Pepperdine’s School of Public Policy is worth exploring. Visit https://go.pepperdine.edu/dailywire - - - DailyWire+: Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://dailywire.com/subscribe Becoming a Daily Wire member allows you to see all of our content ad-free. 📲 Download the free Daily Wire app today on iPhone, Android, Roku, Apple TV, Samsung, and more. 📘 My book "Speechless: Controlling Words, Controlling Minds" is available here: https://dwplus.shop/Speechless 📗 My book "Reasons to Vote for Democrats: A Comprehensive Guide" is available here: https://dwplus.shop/ReasonsToVoteForDemocrats 🕯️ Get your Michael Knowles candles: https://thecandleclub.com/collections/michael-knowles 👕 Don’t dress like a squish. Shop my merch here: https://dwplus.shop/MichaelKnowlesMerch - - - Socials: YouTube — https://youtube.com/@MichaelKnowles Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/michaelknowlesshow Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/michaeljknowles TikTok — https://www.tiktok.com/@notmichaelknowles X — https://twitter.com/michaeljknowles - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:55 Test drive it at your local Subaru dealer or visit Subaru.ca. diagram says has anyone ever seen Father Rehill and Glenn back in the same room before? Do you I get... No. I could see you do bear some resemblance to Glenn. I don't think so. You don't know. I could I see where the commenter is coming from.
Starting point is 00:01:16 I was told at the last conference or is that that I look like the British baking man. I don't know his name. Anybody know his name? A baking show. Yeah, the Great. Hollywood. Paul Hollywood, maybe. Okay.
Starting point is 00:01:28 Now I can't unsee it. So now you're the great. British Bakeoff guy. Okay. All right. Welcome to Off the Clock. I'm Michael Knowles. I guess this is a show now. I don't know. This started because Matt Walsh and I were hanging out at a Mayflower cigar retailer in Idaho. We decided to film it and take questions from Twitter. Always the most sane, balanced takes and questions on Twitter. And now we're at another great Mayflower retailer, which is Nashville cigar in Nashville, Tennessee. And I'm joined by my friend, Father Dan Rehill, the Catholic priest and exorcist and a tobacco man,
Starting point is 00:02:15 but you're not smoking right now. I'm not smoking right now. That's fair enough. I'll smoke enough cigars for the two of us. That's right. So I fear subjecting you to the premise of this show. You're not be afraid. As an exorcist, you've seen worse.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Or at least on par. We'll see. We'll see. I posted here just some moments ago, sitting with my friend Father Rehill, for the next hour, ask us anything. I'm just going to go down the line. Because I don't even know what this is. Satash Katigater asks, what is your opinion on soul ties?
Starting point is 00:02:48 Have you ever heard of it? Yeah. What is that? Well, ideally, when a husband and when a man and a wife get married and a valid true marriage, you know, the two shall become one. Yes. It's said in the scriptures. And so your souls are united for this grace-filled moment in time when you're going to go through, you know, earth until death together. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:13 And it's a good thing. It's a positive thing. It's to help the couple flourish. Yeah. However, if you're just hooking up and having sex randomly, you can have an unholy soul tie with that person, which is why you sometimes find people that they say, I just can't, like, quit this person. I seem addicted or attracted. I can't get away from them.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Yeah. It's the soul tie. And they can be broken very easily. But if you don't know, you don't know. How do you break it? In the name of Jesus Christ, I break all in holy soul ties between this man and these women or whatever, then how many he can remember. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:50 And you break it, and then you cast any demons associated with the soul ties to Jesus' cross to be dealt with by him. So is it not to be too graphic, I guess, about it? It's formed by having sex, basically? Yeah. I've heard some version of that before, you know, the two become one, you know, and that this can obviously happen outside of marriage. After the mass, I think the union of a husband and wife in the marital embrace is probably the most sacred thing that happens on the planet because it's the only time man
Starting point is 00:04:21 participates in creation. And even the angels can't do this. And so when they look at the tremendous power that God has given us to collaborate with him and bringing forth a new life that will exist forever and never, it will be either in heaven or hell until eternity, it goes on forever. it's a huge thing. And there's such, of course, the way the hell has diminished the sexual act
Starting point is 00:04:46 and turned into something that's so debased and violent in many ways, for that very reason. They don't want people understanding what a beautiful and sacred gift it is. That makes sense. Jonathan asks, assuming the good father has spoken to demons in his career,
Starting point is 00:05:02 has he ever spoken to an angel? Okay, let's clarify. I do not speak to demons. I command them. I do not speak to them because there was a little bit of a controversy with another exorcist recently about that very point. We don't do that. We're not supposed to do that. But they do get commanded in the name of Jesus to go and shut up and stop behaving so badly.
Starting point is 00:05:22 But you're not having conversations with them. No, I'm not talking with them. Angels are different because we can ask them for help. And so I do speak to my guardian angel every morning. I begin the day. I said, you know all that's coming. And when you see it coming, if I need to be shifted in one way or another, just move me. He doesn't talk back to me that I hear, but I do, I do, I thank him every day and I ask him for help every day.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Do you say the prayer that you taught as a kid? No, I just talk like, I'm talking to a regular person. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. Joey asks, what does an exorcism look like described to a guy who has only seen movies? Well, they vary in the way the manifestations occur. I will say this, the movie nefarious is probably the most accurate depiction of a possession that's ever been portrayed in TV or movies. That's, in fact, when I met the producers, I said, I don't know how you got this made
Starting point is 00:06:18 because he kind of, all his secrets are being revealed. And he said, no, it was very hard. It took years. And we didn't think it was going to get done finally. But when he did get done, I said, well, you've done a great service to a lot of people who don't believe the devil's real. And he works so slowly and meticulously and patiently. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Did you see the movie? I did. I thought, and I was actually just... Okay, come in to me. Yeah. And then he's like, nothing happened. He's like, no, but he's waiting for the moment that he really wants to use you. And that's going to be in that prisons, the jail cell, the execution scene.
Starting point is 00:06:49 So yeah, don't be too curious about what the devil's doing. It's not a virtue, curiosity. Focus on God and be a true disciple of Jesus Christ, and you'll be fine. This is a related question. What is the best of? best way to shield myself and family from demonic influences. Just that. Be a true disciple.
Starting point is 00:07:08 The Catholic faith is the fullness of the truth. So the sacramental life is tremendously grace-filled. If you're not Catholic and you want to at least investigate, go read some of the church fathers. Go read Ignatius of Antioch. Go read Tortillian. I mean, it's all right there. We've been doing this for 2,000 years.
Starting point is 00:07:27 When he said, do this in memory of me, he was talking about the mass. Yeah. So. Justin Martyr. Justin Carter writes about the Eucharist. We have a hostile question from Pius the 12th's lawyer. Ask Father how he squares his terrible Christian Zionism with what the church has taught
Starting point is 00:07:42 for 2,000 years. Now that's the Twitter I expected. And you can't have a conversation on Twitter without it becoming about the state of Israel after about 47. Well, what is he presuming? I really haven't talked about Israel. Yeah. That doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:07:56 That will never stop anyone from asking about it. It is all. It's all anyone on Twitter wants to talk about. I think it's because most of Twitter conversations are emerging from bot farms in Pakistan. But I guess some actual human beings are talking about it. Is there some view that a Catholic has to hold on this question? The Vatican's given guidance, obviously, over the years. That covenant was valid until it ended with the new covenant.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Yeah. The new covenant, Jesus said this is the new covenant. In my blood, that's the covenant that will last for eternity. So come on. The objective was everybody would move over and just come along. What happened? So when you go back to Deuteronomy, Leviticus, numbers, when God says, this is how you will worship me, he was very clear. There will be a priest, there'll be an altar, there'll be an animal sacrifice, there'll be blood. And the covenant was in the blood. That went on right up until Jesus came and then Jesus established the new covenant, then Jesus sends the Father. And then in 70 AD the temple is destroyed. And they don't know what to do. So they have to do. So they have to be. a council and they decide we're going to read from the scrolls and give a teaching. Yeah. Fire the priests. We don't need them.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Make more rabbis. We need more rabbis. Build more synagogues. And that's what they've been doing for 2,000 years. No new king, no new prophet. Nothing happened. You must, at some point you have to reevaluate. Do we miss something?
Starting point is 00:09:18 Because nothing's happened. Okay? The irony is when Calvin and Luther and all these break away, they adopt the inert model. No priest, no altar, no blood, no sacrifice. Right. primarily, if not exclusively, didactic exercise. Yeah, I'm just, I mean, just, it's very clear. I'm not punching down on anybody.
Starting point is 00:09:38 I'm just saying this is what happened. And we want everybody to be Catholic. We're not like trying to be exclusive. We want you to come in. But you have to, you have to take a moment to just say, is it possible I got this wrong? Maybe there's, maybe this is the answer. Maybe this is the way. This is the church Jesus founded.
Starting point is 00:09:56 I heartily agree. As you may have guessed. Hartily. I heartily. I heartily. I'm not hardly. The kids in confession. I heart.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Mariano asks, what invites possession? One mortal sin is all takes. Now that rarely happens. For people who don't know, because some of my friends, you know, especially certain schools of Protestantism, they either don't know about or don't believe. in a distinction between a mortal sin and a venial sin. Well, it's actually scriptural as well. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:32 From St. John. Yeah. But a moral sin. So, grave sin, something that is grave. You know, murder, blasphemy, sexual proclivity outside of marriage, doing all sorts of things you shouldn't be doing. There's many ways, but the fastest way is to get into a witchcraft or the occult. That's like straight, you're going all in two feet.
Starting point is 00:10:56 And you will think you have power for a while because that's how they get seduced, is that they're going to have all these things that they're going to be able to do and cast curses and spells. But eventually the devil turns on everybody. And there's no favorites. He hates all of humanity. Doesn't sound very attractive, actually. Can the laity affect, you're going to have to explain to me this question.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Can the laity affect ex operae operantes ecclese? Or is it just the clergy of the church that affect it? Thank you. God bless. Did you catch the ex-op? My Latin is a little weak. Ex-operre. Operantus?
Starting point is 00:11:31 Operantus. Okay, so that means that the work is done by the people, not by itself. So the sacraments are ex-operate operato. The work is performed from themselves, right? And the grace is there, as long as you have the right matter and form, it will happen. I could execute all the altar servers in the sacristy right before mass and still celebrate a valid mass. Right, right. I will be going to hell.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Yeah, yeah. But the bread and wine will become the body and blood of Jesus. Right. He does not hold his people captive by bad priests. However, when it comes to Albrantis, we're talking about the work comes from the faith and the virtue of the one ministering the blessing and the one receiving it. So exorcism falls under that. Holy water, blessed salt, all the sacramentals, metals, all that falls under that.
Starting point is 00:12:20 So if you go to a priest and say, can you make my water, holy water, and he does this and walks the way, go find another priest. You want somebody who's going to invest the time in the effort to put in the right formula, use the exorcism salt, put on a stole, all of it. Mr. Omega, I know that Jehovah's Witnesses are false, but is there genuine occult or free Masonic behavior happening in them like the Mormons? They really wanted to offend as many people as possible with that question. This is specifically, I guess, about Jehovah's Witnesses. Is it a cult? Or Masonic? I've never heard that the Jehovah's Witnesses were Masonic. Yeah, I've not heard that either.
Starting point is 00:12:56 I would just put them into another religion that has moments of truth, but not all. That's all I can say. Is LDS Masonic? I've never heard of that. I haven't heard that either. Yeah, okay. All right. It's a very Twitter, though, very Twitter question.
Starting point is 00:13:12 How did you get so tan, asks leftists of Minnesota? I spent a lot of time outside. It was just in Montana on a mountain for a week outside. Sean asks, what do you make of J.D. Vance's comment that aliens are probably demons. Yeah, I agree with him. Yeah. I think I've said that for years, as has Ripperger. You may have gotten it from you. There's probably five exes that have all said that. Sadly, one of them got penalized. That's right. Oh, yes, he was. His faculties were something were taken away, right? Yeah. Why is that? You'd have to ask the Cardinal. I don't know. Maybe he's a big Star Wars guy. I haven't known.
Starting point is 00:13:51 idea. I don't know. I don't know them. But I have always or long assumed that aliens are either an illusion or foreign, you know, foreign government or something or just, or demonic. There is a line in the catechism that says that man is the only corporal being that can know love and serve God. We know the angels can, but they don't have bodies. So that kind of, it's not scripture, but it is the catechism. Right. Question from David. Do demons been fit for media exposure? Should exorcism return to being something clandestine? Why or why not? I'm not sure if it ever was clandestine. Well, clearly before TV and radio and all the other things, it would have been much more private. Exorcists weren't even known by the public. Okay,
Starting point is 00:14:41 that's true. What happened? Life changed. And our job gets more difficult when people are unindicated about the facts of what you shouldn't, shouldn't be doing. And so gradually more and more Exodus started posting just for the catechises and education of the public in hopes that our job would get easier. Yeah. That's it. And does that benefit the demons? No. Can media benefit to do it? Absolutely. Anything that perpetuates sin is going to make the demons life easier. So, like, look at it. All the social media, all the envy, all the anger, all the pride. It's all, yeah, I mean, somebody once said something to me. They said, you know, Instagram is selling you envy, Twitter is selling you anger,
Starting point is 00:15:33 and Facebook's just selling you. What is LinkedIn? Is that Averis maybe? Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Love Father Dan, I'll be watching, but Ava does not have a question. The Power of X compels me to watch those. Okay, fair enough. Is smoking a sin? Asked Josiah, I hope not. I would probably put it in venial just because it is working against your health.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Now, is there an argument, as I've made to my wife, man? However, all the priests I know in Italy smoke. Yeah, that's a requirement. That's right, Padre Pio, I think there's a story that one of the signs of his biolocation or something was tobacco, yeah. And, yeah, okay, all right, that actually makes me feel better. Because I've argued to my wife that smoking can have health benefits smoking cigars because it relaxes you and stress is a real killer. But I'm just going to rest it on. Good enough for Padre Pio, good enough for me.
Starting point is 00:16:25 I'll take it. Probably a good stance. A number of people noting the similarity to Glenn Beck. Apparently that's a very widespread observation. Josh says specifically as an exorcist, does his practice differ much from that of Eastern Orthodox? I don't know what they do, to be honest. Right. You never see an Eastern Orthodox exorcist in a movie. No. There was, and we didn't have any in our, our, uh, exorcism school in Rome either. So,
Starting point is 00:16:53 yeah. I'm not sure where they're going. Huh. But you do work with, uh, Protestant ministers who are doing deliverances and things like that. Not really. I mean, there's a guy up in, up here in Nashville, um, Greg. Greg something. Okay. And he actually just, I think he was on tour with, um, Oh, Erica. I think he was on that thing. Yeah. But he had some trouble. He was learning on his own.
Starting point is 00:17:20 And so he called for some help. And he wanted to, like, sit in on. And I'm like, no, it's not a spectator sport. You don't get to do that. And then he got shot up. His house got shot up with like 20 rounds. And I think he backed off a little bit. I'm not saying they're related.
Starting point is 00:17:38 But he just said, I'm going to reevaluate. Yes. Correlation is not causation necessarily, but a lot of times it is. Could be. Wow. Gilver asks, do people have dreams that can be considered divine in origin? If they only brought the person closer to God in the church, I can give specific examples, but I'm hesitant to do so publicly. Why?
Starting point is 00:18:02 Why are you so afraid of that? St. Joseph, all of his instruction was given in dreams that we know of? So answers yes. Yeah. Right. that's right like maybe the most important dream yeah
Starting point is 00:18:15 get out of town maybe any of us have ever get out of town now one can only hope you'd get that dream it's time Chris asks what are the best pieces of scripture to lean on when entering a marriage
Starting point is 00:18:28 do you have any prayers you recommend when your loved ones are going through hardship well specific scriptures you're going to have to people are different different scriptures speak to different people however pray the rosary
Starting point is 00:18:41 with your spouse and your marriage will get healed. Pray it every day together for the benefit of the other person in the marriage. So I'm praying this for you, honey, you're praying for me. And we're asking Jesus to come into this marriage and repair whatever needs to repair it. I just give it 30 days and I guarantee you'll see a change. Good advice. Michigan Joneson says, have you ever experienced a possession where language becomes incomprehensible? Yes, I barely speak English. So for me, it's very difficult when they start doing all the strange tongues. I wouldn't even know what they are unless I recorded them.
Starting point is 00:19:14 I mean, I could tell Latin when I hear it. Yeah. But a lot of time, they're just, it's not something I know what it is. It could be a language, I don't know. Right, right. There's nothing about anything else? Other than exorcism, you mean? Well, you got one marriage question.
Starting point is 00:19:29 You got a lot of Glenn back. Yeah, let's see. Hold on. Here's another one. Exorcist, can he exercise the entire Democrat Party by chance they seem to be in need of that help? The Republicans could use it half the time, too. Okay, conservadoxy says socialism is born out of materialism, but the pursuit of God is founded on both immaterial and material grounds because of Christ. How exactly do we counter the material efforts of secular thought in order to better focus on that which has married the two together?
Starting point is 00:19:56 More of a political philosophy question, maybe, than theology. You dumb that down for me? Yeah, I don't. The modern secular world is fundamentally materialist. I guess I would challenge the premise, though, in the sense that, like, transgenderism is a more of, a Gnostic ideology. It says we're, it's really kind of the opposite of materialism. It says your true self is not your body. So I don't know. Yeah, I guess post-Marx, everyone is kind of materialist and we deny the soul and we deny love and dreams and hopes and all that. But not really.
Starting point is 00:20:25 You know, we don't actually live that way. So yeah, I guess I would question the premise. Okay. So I have friends who are very Catholic and very much in love with God. And I have friends that have no relationship with God. And both can be good people, right? But the difference is they see everything through a different lens. The two lenses are different. When St. Paul says,
Starting point is 00:20:49 be transformed by the renewal of your mind to know what is good, pleasing, and whatever the rest of it is, that's what he's talking about. You have to make a hundred decision to start seeing things through the eyes of the way God, not that we can know his mind perfectly,
Starting point is 00:21:07 but we want to know things through with that lens, how would he be perceiving this situation? He's always looking for everyone getting to heaven, right? Yeah. And he gives a lot of time for people that are off the track. I was off the track for a long time. And he waited patiently until I got back on the track, right? But I think we have to view people not in terms of do they agree with what I believe,
Starting point is 00:21:30 but are they created by God and loved by God? And there has to be something in them that I can, you know, find pleasant. Yeah. You know, I mean, with rare exception, if you're a mass murderer, you know, it's going to be harder. Yeah. But do we bump into those people every day? No, I don't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:47 But, you know, the guy cuts you off on the highway every time I get on 65, you know, one day I was really pissed off. And I kind of muttered something. And the Lord spoke right to me in my heart. And he said, if you knew what they were going through, you would be so sad for them. And then I felt horrible. Of course, I had to speed up to see this person because I'm like, well, let's see what they look like. And they were crying. Really?
Starting point is 00:22:15 Yeah. They were, something was going on in their life that was very traumatic. And they were crying as they were driving. They weren't really paying attention to the road. That's why they wove in and out. But I never forgot that because I always think in terms of, well, that was one thing. Then recently I was in Seattle, and they picked me up in a Tesla that drove itself. And the guy who's supposed to be driving is.
Starting point is 00:22:38 doing on his phone, he's chitchatting like this, and the car is weaving in the traffic, weaving, changing lanes. And I go, aren't you going to pay attention? He doesn't know the car, it knows what it's doing. However, sometimes it does try to pass somebody and they cut it too close and it will cut somebody off. So if you ever get cut off by a Tesla,
Starting point is 00:22:58 it could be the car. Yeah, okay. And then I won't feel bad about cursing off the car, purely material. So we don't always know. It's really, you can see what the behaviors, but you don't know why it's happening. That's, it's, that's an amazing story.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Not because God spoke to you, because God does speak to people. And like, it's all true. The thing is it's all true, but it's often very surprising, even if we tell ourselves that. But someone listening to that story would say, well, no, look, you're a Catholic priest. You're trained and formed in such a way that you are more inclined to consider the other person and not to fall. No, I'm a cynical New Yorker. So that's not true. before I was a priest, when I worked on Wall Street,
Starting point is 00:23:39 one day, this is post-conversion, so I was fully active in my faith, but I'm walking down that long walk of Broadway down to wall, and at the bottom, there's a park. It was the middle, winter was freezing, had a big wool coat on. And that voice again said to me,
Starting point is 00:23:57 go into the park, there's someone who's under the tree who's going to die if you don't get them up, because they have no coat on. And it's like 10 degrees. So I'm like, is this me? Yeah, yeah. Well, let's just see, right?
Starting point is 00:24:09 I go into the park right under the, he said it was under a big pine tree, under the big tree. There's a guy laying there in a t-shirt and jeans passed out. And I'm like, wow, this is actually real. So I wake him up and I bring them over the 120 wall, which is the building across from my building, I was 11-wall. And they had that portico that was heated.
Starting point is 00:24:27 So I said, you're going to warm up here, just stay here. And then I took off my coat and gave it to him. And I'm walking away and realized, oh, crap, my keys are in the coat. So I went running back and he had this horrible face of sadness. He thought I was taking the coat back. I'm like, no, I just want the keys. Give me the keys. Any of my keys?
Starting point is 00:24:42 Keep the coat. Went along my day. But like, when that stuff happens, it's his way of letting you know that is me speaking to you. Yeah, right. It's not just your own head. No, I couldn't make that up. Right. And you can't, even just the tears coming down the driver's face.
Starting point is 00:24:57 In a way, it's almost more a sign for you than anything else. Because there's this line right at the beginning of the Summa Theologier. We're St. Thomas. It's like page one, effectively. It says, you know, when you're reading, when you're exegeting scripture, letters and words are signs. They're symbols and signs. They signify something else. But because God is the author of creation, things are signs as well. It's not just conventional signs like letters and words, but like the guy driving and the tree and all. Those are signs. Those are meaningful. Right. And you can actually, you're not imbuing them with meaning. has imbued them with meaning that you are perceiving. This is for everybody. I hope the coat
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Starting point is 00:26:58 audibly like we're speaking. Did you know that? I don't think I knew that. I knew the circumstances around. Uh-huh. Yeah. So I came back to the church in Medjugary. I was away for 22 years.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Then I'd come back to New York City and you have to start engaging your faith. So I had to get rid of some friends that weren't that healthy. I joined the Wall Street Young Catholic Association to make some new friends. Sort of going to daily mass, praying the rosary, all of it. I was going to Our Lady of Victory, which is right there on Chase Plaza. I used to I would go to Our Lady of Victory. And this little priest said, you know, you're going to need a spiritual director. So I said, okay, is everybody.
Starting point is 00:27:31 have one? He's like, no, but you'll need one. I said, okay. And the first thing he said was, did you ever ask God what he wanted to do with your life? And I said, no. Does anybody do that? He goes, well, I did it. I can't be you're a priest. I've asked all my college roommates. There's a group of us we get together every year. Does anybody, did anybody do that? No, nobody did that. But you know why? Because in the 70s and 80s, you went through, we all went through prep schools, you have a guidance council, you take an aptitude test. Oh, you go with numbers. should go into finance or engineering or something like that. And you go do that, you find the college, you get the job.
Starting point is 00:28:06 That's what we all did. Nobody said, what do you want me to do, Lord? So I would recommend that now to people, but I didn't, I never heard that. Do you know what my guidance counselor aptitude test told me I should be? Politician? Mime. What? Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:21 It said I should be. I would have expected something. No. And now I think it gave me some. I think it gave some options. I said, first of all, who wrote the test? Yeah, you could see actor, politician, whatever. Mine.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Mine, like, you know, gum behind the ear, yeah. Wow. Yeah, and I failed at that calling. Thank God. I've heard this. I have some friends who are, you know, they have like the direct line to the Holy Ghost. You know, they got the speed dial to the Holy Ghost, who have told me experiences where they say, yeah, I heard an audible. That's the only time for me ever.
Starting point is 00:28:59 So I prayed that for 18 months. Lord, what do you want for my life? In November 5th of 2000, I was sitting at Sunday Mass 730 a.m. back at my parish where my parents were. And there was nobody really sitting near me. And I was just knelt down after communion. And I heard the voice say, come follow me. So we turn around and there's nobody there. And it dawns on me. Oh, it's you. Okay. So I took Monday off to pray about it and Tuesday I resign. This is not meant to be a glib question. What did he? sound like a strong firm but uh compassionate it's an odd combination because it was very clearly a strong voice but it wasn't it wasn't like anger or mean it's just very confident come follow me wasn't a question hmm like okay and oddly we were talking about this before we sort of filming of course i ran out and got a tattoo that said come follow me yeah that's what you did Later on, you say, should I have gotten, is that the message of... You don't do that.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Patty says, I haven't been to confession in 20 plus years. I'm afraid to go, help. Okay. Find a church that has private confession that it's not face-to-face. I hate the face-to-face. I don't even offer it. Yeah. It's from my protection, too.
Starting point is 00:30:22 You get a good examination of conscience. Bold dog Catholic is about the best one I've ever seen. Just put into Google. Examination of conscience. Bulldog Catholic. comes right up, go through the whole thing, make a list if you have to, go to the priests, sit in there, just say it's been 20 years, I need a little help. But in the examination, it'll give you the starting words, make the sign of the cross, bless me, father, for I have sin,
Starting point is 00:30:45 it's been 20 years. You're going to unload all your baggage and you're going to come out feeling like a million bucks. Yeah. And you're going to say, why didn't I do this sooner? So just do it. You have an intellect and a will, go do it. I asked you once, said, I had this notice this thing where I go into confession, I've committed however many, whatever kind of sins, and I'll be, it's not just that they're on my mind, but they'll physically
Starting point is 00:31:10 sort of manifest if I'm angry or if I'm lustful or if I'm feeling whatever, you know, these dispositions and these activities kind of have physical aspects. And I said, I know why when I leave the confessional, I psychologically feel better, but I've noticed I will physically
Starting point is 00:31:26 feel different. And do you remember the answer you gave? Because there's demons hooked into you. Yeah. And they're broken off you. Yes. Then you're like, wow, it feels so good. Yeah. Imagine operating at 20% and you don't know why.
Starting point is 00:31:40 And then this happens, you're like, well, we should be going like every week. Yeah. Our lady recommends once a month, but you know, we have this thing like, well, the church says once a year. That was like in 1658 when they had that mandate. Things have changed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:55 You need to go more than once a year. Yeah. Like TikTok exists now. You know, YouTube and social media, yes. Only fans. Only fans. Yeah, right. I mean, just, I was thinking about this. There is pornography or quasi-pornography on like every social media platform. Yeah. Before you even get to like actual like hardcore pornography, which is the majority of the internet, you just think this is just the sin of our age, right? Well, yeah. And what in Fatima, our lady said, uh, souls are falling into hell like snowflakes in a bonfire because primarily of impurity, sins against purity. So that was back
Starting point is 00:32:38 when people were dressed from their neck to their ankles in burlap. Right. Because sometimes you hear this from the church even. They'll say, well, sexual sins aren't the worst sins. Which is true. I think Leo just said that. Right. But the Pope said that. Yeah. But that can be true. Like that was true for Dante. It was true for a lot of theologians. But it can also be true that sexual sin is what leads most people to hell. The problem with sexual impurity in our day and age is it's right there at your fingertips 24 hours a day. That was never the case.
Starting point is 00:33:12 If you wanted to look at dirty pictures, you had to sneak down to the whatever store and, you know, buy the magazine, hide it, sneak it in your house. In the foil, the magazine in the foil. I mean, today the phone is such a bad thing, you know, in many ways because of that. And just in the Internet in general, you know. It's just opened up. a world of impurity to everybody that has access to it. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Which isn't basically everybody in the Western world. You're right. And beyond even, yeah. Hammer of Judea says, has he encountered Tucker's demon? This is, you know, there's a story Tucker said that he was lying in bed and a demon physically scratched him. Oh, yes. So I assume it's a slightly facetious question. But it does lead to a real question, which is can people, regardless, I don't know if it could have been Tucker's dog, I don't know what it was.
Starting point is 00:33:58 But can demon scratch you? Yes. They can't. Yeah. Yeah, I did have a case in Nashville with the man who lived alone with no pets, no children, no wife, was waking up with bite marks all over his body, including his back. You can't bite your own back. And it couldn't have been a spider or something, you know? No, no, it was sets of teeth. Was he, was he possessed or did he? He was not possessed, but he was oppressed. Yeah. I, uh, I went through a period a couple of years ago where, I kept getting woken up by a demon that was suffocating me. And I couldn't breathe. And I couldn't get it off me.
Starting point is 00:34:38 And I couldn't reach the crucifix above the bed. And so I would just say, in my mind, it's St. Jesus' name, get off. And this went on, not every night, but like maybe once a week for a few weeks. And it was starting to be annoying. Like, what am I doing wrong here? So one night I just took the rosary from the nightstand. I took it into the bed with me. And it never happened again.
Starting point is 00:34:59 But here's what's even weirder. about a month after that, I'm at a Boston Marion conference, and Montaian Rosetti's there. He goes, I have to tell you the weirdest thing that happened to me. Same exact thing. He's getting suffocated at night by this demon, and then he takes his rosary, and it stops. So you go, well, that just happened to me a few months ago. So this must be how God wants us to confirm that this is actually a remedy. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Because why would we... Right. Right? I do keep rosaries like everywhere. Not in a superstitious way. I don't want to do that. Because it's convenient to pray. You can pray the rosary on your fingers, I guess.
Starting point is 00:35:35 But then you kind of lose track or whatever in my mind. I lose track. So I'm more physical kind of person. And so I'll keep a couple in the car. I'll keep by the bed. But it's weird because, yeah, the way you describe it, it's like God is allowing the demon to teach. To teach.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Yes. So we can teach others. Right. But it's not, the demon does not intend to teach. The demon intends to strangling. Yeah, right, right. It was a physical suffocation. It was, yeah. Yeah, I was thinking, is this how I'll be found? Just lights out. Yeah, that's a, not a good way to go. It's not a bad way. You're in a state of grace, I guess. I mean, in bed, sleeping. I mean, the worst things that could happen. James Callie says, why aren't exorcisms more publicized? I feel like it could help convert a lot of people. Yeah, like, you sometimes see this, especially atheists and materialists who say, I don't.
Starting point is 00:36:29 think this is true. I think you're all making it up or you're all delusional or something. You know, if this, if demons and exorcisms and all this stuff were real, then wouldn't you want to show people? Because it's like CS Lewis describing the scary, the uncanny, and the numinous. Yeah. If you can just convince them that this is real, you know, why don't you live stream an exorcism and then everyone will believe that demons exist and then they'll believe God exists. Because they won't believe. They'll say it's AI. They'll say this. You know, if I picked up a mountain and moved from here to there, a third of the people will right away believe. A third of them will say that, oh, man, was always there, and a third won't know
Starting point is 00:37:00 what to think. Yeah. That's just the way people are. Yeah. So because we have such a great dignity as being human beings, we would never subjugate a person to being just a tool. A tool, because you want to see it. Yeah. Like, that's so selfish. And it's so like, it's all about you. Yeah. You want to be the one? What if you're the possessed person? Do you want to become, you know, demon man when you walk into the grocery? Like, there's demon man. You're just, you're What happens when you go to church? I'm just like, oh, that one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Poor Mary Magdalene. She did have to deal with that because everybody knew her as the woman with the seven demons. But for her, her love was at such a level of perfection for Jesus, that she didn't care. But most people would care. Yes. Yeah, right. Not everyone's Mary Magdalene. Dee Halliburton says, can people listening to podcasters that are casting spells and delusions
Starting point is 00:37:51 and lies become bewitched? You can pick things off through the computer. One of the worst cases I ever had was a guy, Christian, Catholic guy, young 20s. He was trying to open his third eye through a YouTube video, and he felt the demon go into him, and that guy suffered for years. And the third eye is like an occult new agee. Yeah. It's your spiritual eye, your material eye. Who wants that?
Starting point is 00:38:17 Why do people want that? They think it's going to bring them power? Knowledge that, yeah, the hidden knowledge that nobody has. Yeah. That is, like, I've had. I've encountered people who are pretty hippy-dippy, like crystal people, Oms and all that kind of stuff, more generally maybe on this. Like you hear about this thing, astral planing, like a guy, someone once told me that he's
Starting point is 00:38:37 walked on the sun. And I say like, okay, buddy. But the idea of the astral planing, I guess, is what, that a demon is actually giving you some real knowledge? Like the demon went to the sun. So that in a way, it is kind of real. Well, as long as what they're giving you is real. Right.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Because they're liars. They're liars. Right. That's their nature to lie. Yeah, not the best. Okay, not the most reliable. Okay. Can you become possessed through certain types of music?
Starting point is 00:39:10 Well, they can be an open door, yes. The metal music, I'm not going to name bands, but back in the 80s, Father Karpi, used to talk about this, that when he was living the high life in L.A. as a multi-millionaire in real estate, he was invited to some of these major bands launch parties where they had black masses to consecrate the album to the devil,
Starting point is 00:39:30 and he witnessed it, so it's first-hand information. So they can do that, and then they can ask the demons to attach the people to, you know, can give them some kind of a... They want more and more of this music and they keep purchasing and buying it, you know, it keeps them hooked into it. So, I don't think you want to do that.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I think today the rap music is worse than metal and vial. It's, yeah. I've said to my wife many times that growing up is realizing your grandmother was right about everything. I've come to this conclusion. I come to it more and more each day. My grandmother, it turns out, was actually right about everything. Because people are going to hear what you say, and they're going to say, oh, you sound like those, you know, church ladies from the 80s. Just read the lyrics.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Yeah. When your lyrics are talking about raping people and killing people, that's not good. Yeah. You want to give you a kid that? Right. Good luck. You don't get that in the Brandenburg concertos. There's not a lot of raping. Even a lot of the country music.
Starting point is 00:40:25 I mean, it used to be all about cheating and drinking, but cheating and drinking is one thing. Murdering and raping is another. Right, right. All right, before I let's you go, I know we're going to get you out of here. I'll take it. Let's see. We'll do like one last question. But only if it's really, really good.
Starting point is 00:40:39 People are suggesting I send you to various of their enemy's houses, some of which are not the worst idea. Russell says, the suffering in the garden was so great, an angel was sent to help. The suffering of the trial and crucifixion was terrible, but only a man from Cyrene helped. It seems the garden was worse as he took the entire burden of our sins. Thoughts. The cross was the reason he was born. He was the only man who was born to die. So the angels are not going to prevent him from completing his mission.
Starting point is 00:41:11 That was the mission. Right. It was a rescue mission. They work for the same God. that would be insane to think they're going to send in angels to stop him from completing the one thing he came to do. Right. So that's it in a nutshell. I've also never thought of it that way that he's the only man who was ever born to die.
Starting point is 00:41:28 That was, like we, from Adam to us, we were born to live. Yeah. And we screwed it up. Yeah. And he was born to die. To fix it. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Right. Okay. Last question. This is from politics without projection. I would love to know what he thinks of transgender ideology being a demonic force. Now, you know, this was, it really hit its. peak like three years ago, but it still crops up. I mean, the New York Times just, they just said on Father's Day that we need to honor like trans, lesbian bearded mothers as fathers or something.
Starting point is 00:41:56 So it's still there and the left wants to bring it back. Is it, is it simply weird and off and sinful, you know, and aberrant, or is it demonic? Anything that's going to lead you to literally deform yourself or cut off parts of you that you don't think you need. Yeah. It is kind of coming from hell, I would say. You may not believe that. You may not think that. You may think, I don't have any ties to the devil. Fine.
Starting point is 00:42:23 But he's, he is the original influencer. The OG, okay? And he's influencing people to think they need this one thing. Like Eve needed the fruit to be happy. She was perfectly happy before she met him. Yeah, he had everything. But that now is the focus of her life. Unless I get that, I'm not going to be happy.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Unless I get this cut off, I'm not going to be happy. And then guess what happens? They're not happy when they do it. A lot of them are very unhappy. I'll just add one caveat to that, that further supports that this is not good. If you look at an image of Baffman, I'm not recommending you do that.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Don't go Google it. But it's half man, half woman. Yes. This is an ancient depiction of the devil. He was playing that game long before we did. He's trans. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:08 The influencer thing really cuts close to Homefather as someone who is at least a part-time professional influencer. Right. The devil is the first influence. And he's selling the apple. Yeah. He's slinging apple, promo code devil. Well, we don't know if it was an apple, but some kind of fruit.
Starting point is 00:43:22 Fruit. Yeah. Selling fruit promo code serpent for 10% off of hell. Before we wrap, we got a, we got to have full house here. Any questions? Any questions for Father before we leave? So a question, just because I have a microphone, is for someone seeking the will of God in one's life. You have the sovereign will, moral will.
Starting point is 00:43:44 beyond that, how do we ascertain that? Okay, the simplest way, or the broadest ways to always look at what is producing good fruit? That will be something that is going to be leading you towards the path of heaven if this is producing good fruit, right? But in everyday decisions, you know, I start my day with the morning offering, I offer the whole day to the Lord, and just say, you know, bless it or block it, whatever is of you, let it flourish, whatever is working against you, crush it if I can't determine on my own. Sometimes things look one way, but it's actually not what it seems. And, you know, at the heart of everything is, am I doing this out of love for God or for myself?
Starting point is 00:44:23 Like, the self is the biggest, it's not other people. It's usually our self that becomes the overwhelming factor in whether we're going to attain sainhood. It's like, am I really doing this for the love of God? And usually when we're doing things for God, we don't need recognition from man. You know, but in this world, everybody wants the pat on the back publicly. Yeah. And, you know, let me, which you just had the scripture like two weeks ago, you know, you've received your reward.
Starting point is 00:44:47 Right. There will not be one in heaven for that. Right. So imagine getting into the gates and Peter's there and he pulls out the book and he's like, oh, yeah. Wow, you got a lot of accolades down there. Nothing left here. Sorry. What?
Starting point is 00:44:59 Right. Yeah. But at least you got that library named after you. Library that probably some activist is going to knock down 10 years after my death. Yeah. The holy guys in seminary were one of the ones walking around with the cassocks and the shining shoes with their hands like this. It was the guy at 2 a.m. in the chapel that nobody saw. That's the true because he wasn't looking for anybody to know he was praying. He just wanted to pray.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Right. So we have to be careful about why we do the things we do. Right. Anybody else before we go? Okay, so with the microphone, a lot of people claim to be Christians and they're instructing others, be they influencers or any person in public. Uh, how? How do we ascertain if they're legit or if they're a snake oil salesman? You go back to the fruit. You know, there's an OnlyFans model who makes like 40 million a year, which says, but I'm a good Christian. And I don't know this from going to OnlyFans.
Starting point is 00:45:54 I only know this from like the report- News articles. Yeah. And I would say, I'm sorry, sweetie, but that's not cutting it. You know, you're leading men to sin by exposing your body for money. How do you shake that out with being a Christian? I don't get it. So like it's, and there's more subtle ways than that, but I'm just, I'm just taking notes. You're telling me I can make $40 million a year if I saw. Not you. Not me. I don't, nobody's offering it to me. You need to get the operation. And all those other things would happen.
Starting point is 00:46:27 You know, though, a lot of modern religion does seem to buttress her argument. I don't know if this girl is sincere or not. But a lot of modern religion says, well, you don't really need to do anything. to, in fact, you shouldn't do anything because you don't want your religion based on works. It's all got to be based in grace and faith. So really, maybe you could be the only fans model. And it doesn't matter outwardly. You don't see any sign that this person has been sanctified. But that doesn't matter because, you know, it's just between me and God.
Starting point is 00:46:58 A lot of modern religion says that. Yes. Well, we also say, we are saved by grace. Catholics do say that. But we also say, if you're truly a disciple and saved, then you will see it by your works. Right? So if you're, if you've been given the grace to be saved and you've been baptized, then you have the responsibility to live up to what Jesus calls us to do. So it's not just the commandments, it's the beatitudes. Are you doing that? If you're not and you're just doing only fans,
Starting point is 00:47:24 again, Peter will have something to say to you at the gate. Right. Right. Any other beyond Mr. Davies's only fan's question? It wasn't actually an only fan. I know it wasn't an only fan's question. Are there any qualities or behaviors or practices or practices or practices? that you wish more priests today would embrace. Yes, please have confession before every Mass. Period. There's not enough confession, in my opinion. And I travel...
Starting point is 00:47:52 My wife and I were just going off on us. I travel all over the place. Yeah. And I'm like 30 minutes a week for 4,000 families. Yeah. Sorry. Just do the math. Plus, you get, not to pick on,
Starting point is 00:48:02 but women of a certain age treat confession like they're going on a weekend retreat for psychology. And I'm not knocking them for it. But, you know, the young men are, tend to be a little more in and out, number and kind. Here are my sin. The direction should be an appointment outside of confession. Yes. You go in, it's state the type of sin and the number of times.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Do your list. Get out. Because there's a line. But this, I totally agree with this. It kind of, again, I'm like, as the penitent, I'm not in a position to be making demands. But it would be very helpful. And I know there's a pre-shortage. They're really burdened and it's all, but it really would be helpful if there were more priests doing confession more of the time.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Yes. I mean, I'm alone and I have confession before every Mass because I want you to be able to receive communion. Yeah. But I'm also going to tell you, do not receive if you have not been to confession and you have a grave sin in your soul. Yeah, yeah. Because that's also what mortal sin. And St. Paul says that too. Yeah. It says the same thing.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Any other questions? So in case the mic didn't get it, one of the fastest growing religions among women is, Witchcraft and the Occult. One of the top feminist magazines is called Lilith. No surprise. Have you seen this? Is this real? Is this just a panic? No, it's correct. Witchcraft is on the rise. It's become mainstream. You can buy all the garbage on Amazon. There's major department stores that sell witchcraft things. And Lilith is a real demon. I've encountered this demon in more than one exorcism. Hmm. Because I thought Lilith, in some kind of, you know, extra scriptural traditions. There's this claim that Lilith was Adam's first wife or something. And then I think that's where you get it.
Starting point is 00:49:49 I think there's a Jewish tradition of this. And then the feminists really adopt this. And Lilith is like the wife in Frazier who's so awful. Well. But drawing on that. But Lilith is a demon that you've encountered. Yep. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:05 And it's never occurred to me that there were lady demons. I guess I, no, I guess there was like a succubus. Well, they don't have gender, to be honest, but they do seem to work with one gender or another. They harass one more than the other. Jezebel is a spirit. Yeah, they're out there. And it's on the rise among women. This witchcraft.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Well, I mean, it was. I don't know if it's still. I've seen a resurgence of Christianity in the last year that I've not seen ever. This last year, I don't know. Charlie had a hand in it because it woke a lot of people up. But I also think when we have a new pope, there's always a bump. Having an American Pope probably tripled the bump. But like I was telling you before this, we had like 14 seminarians come in last year.
Starting point is 00:50:55 And I think there's another, almost that number coming in this year. That's a lot for a 53 parish diocese. Right. You say the American Pope would triple it here in America. I wonder, the Jesuit Pope, you get half a bump? Is that to you? No, I don't know. I'm not calculating any of these things.
Starting point is 00:51:09 I don't know. I agree. The numbers for baptism, this Easter vigil, were record-setting. Yeah. All over the world. France just went through the roof. Yeah. I was with Henning up in Boston.
Starting point is 00:51:23 He said Harvard had like 80-something people get baptized this Easter. Harvard? Harvard University. Did they walk in the wrong door? They thought they were going to? Really? Yeah. That's hey.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Wow. And he said, yeah, the bastion of liberalism had 80-something people enter the church. Father, if there's hope for Harvard, there's hope for us all. That's right. Okay, no more questions. We're out of here. We've kept Father too long anyway. Even though with this delicious Mayflower dream, I still have much more cigar to go,
Starting point is 00:51:49 I need to send you back home because you have a long drive and many more things to do, not just my fake job of smoking cigars and speaking to friends of mine. Father, thank you very much for being here. Thank you, Michael. And I even want to thank people on X, which I really never want to do, but the questions were very good. See you next time.

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