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Episode Date: December 13, 2023

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Michelle Obama has more balls than Lance Armstrong. What did Lance Armstrong do to deserve that? Obviously. There's no question. Long before the Daily Wire ever existed, I was drinking with Andrew Claven. And now we've come full circle. But before we get to the guest of this episode, you need to go get this game.

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I should warn you when I drink in the middle of the day. I do vomit copiously. Good. Well, then you've got to make sure that you get the questions right. Okay. Or wrong. Okay. Because the rules are, if you get the question right, you get to drink. And if you get the question wrong, you have to. I see, there's a high stakes game. The high stakes game. You will move my glass to whichever answer you think I would give. Okay.

And vice versa. And by the way, we might want to let the audience in on something here. We know each other very well. We've been in each other's heads many times. I started my career here. writing as you on social media. I'm doing it so well that, and I'm not joking, I used to look at your tweets. It was on Twitter to find out what I sounded like. I would say like, I've forgotten who I am now. Well, thank you very much. I mean, just to prove it to them. You and I are so close, we can almost finish each other's sandwiches. Okay, I'm going to begin. Then you'll go and we'll go back and forth until we're lying on the floor. I got it.

I'm already lying in the little. Michael Knowles peaked when he was the cultural correspondent on the Andrew Claven show. That's the question. That's the prompt. And I'm supposed to say your net, your, my answer. Your answer. Yeah. You peaked when you were, I mean, okay, so I just have to say what you would say.

Yes. Good point. I peaked when I became an international cigar sales. That was, that was the peak. I knew that was your big moment. But you certainly got that absolutely right. I thought that was the only thing you've ever done that entertained me in any way or informed me in any way. In any way.

And I was thinking the other day of how that all began, how you gave me my break in all political media. I know. I've never forgiven myself. The way you did it was because I had seen a movie that weekend called sausage party about a cartoon hot dog. And you asked me to come on the show to talk about aforementioned cartoon hot dog. You were actually good. I actually put you on the show because you were good. You actually were an entertaining thing. What happened to you? You know, I peaked. I peaked. This is what happened. You're up.

No, I'm still drinking. Wait. Still drinking. I know. I don't want to interrupt that. Michelle Obama has more balls than Lance Armstrong. What did Lance Armstrong do to deserve that? Yeah, well, he got sick. No, he did get sick. Yeah. It's too.

soon to make a jury. I mean, you survive. No, that's cruel. Obvious. There's no question. If it had been some kind of conspiracy theory. Yeah, no, exactly. I'm not saying Michelle Obama is a guy. You're only mouthing it. I'm mouthing it, that's right. It's less less.

The only way to save the country is to get married and bang your wife, but only in that order. Who writes this? Oh, you did? Oh, okay. And I want you to know, I want you to know, I did a book thing for my book, The House of Love and Death, which you should all be banned. I did a thing at the mysterious bookshop, and it was packed, and people kept coming up to me, guys kept coming up to me with their pregnant and white and saying, see, I did it, I'm saving it. I thought I didn't give that specific instructions. I thought, I'm glad you figured out how to do that. And in that order. Okay, so I've got to guess how you, well, I know how you would answer. Well, yeah, actually.

I got it wrong. got it wrong. And do you know only because of it? You're generally right, but there's one exception, which is religious vocation. We also need monks and nuns, and I want to get a point on the board. It's the other thing. I want to finally score a point. That one goes to me. I want to be very clear. On a religious technicality. I was going to say outside the Vatican, you know. Yeah. Well, we're going to end up having to do. I mean, not us because of the wives and the kids and everything, but it's going to be like Benedict running off to the hills, you know, the hinterlands when all of the institutions are flooded madness. And then, you know, things will recover, or it'll

be the end of days. Isn't the church like falling apart? Is that me? I just keep... The bad news is that the church is falling apart. Okay. It's a complete disaster. And the Pope is the anti-gris. It is, listen, I am, you've said it. I didn't, I'm not... I just thought that was obvious. The good news, that's always the case. Isn't it, you know, hasn't it been the case? To quote Hillare Belloc, I have to take it as a matter of faith that the church is divinely instituted. One proof for the non-believer is that no other institution conducted with such knavish imbecility

would have lasted a burden of. What about the American government? Well, that made it 200 years. We'll see. It gets to 201. Okay. It's my turn. No, it's your turn.

Yeah. See, he's peaked. Cameron Winter, the thing, could be played by a black guy, and it wouldn't change the character or story, but Andrew made him a cis-white guy for some reason. I'm supposed to say what you would say. Yes. Correct. Yeah.

Of course. Kurt Cameron's a white guy. What was the question? Cameron Winter. Oh, yeah. Oh, got it. Okay. It's right.

Yeah, you can't. No. He would be a Latino woman if you were to make the Disney movie. You know, a producer called me up just two days ago and asked me if the movie rights were, and I was talking to him and just, I didn't want to just say to him, like, you know, I'm not signing anything until he's white. I just want to be perfectly clear here. I didn't want to put him off that quickly.

Yeah. So he called you, which means that when he hung up the phone, is that when he decided to Google you? That's what I was thinking. You know what I said to me? said, where are you living? I told him where I was living. He said, I said, I work at the Daily Wire. And he just got this kind of little embarrassed kind of pout on his face. Yeah. Who knows? Well, it's nice to receive exactly one phone call about the movie rights to your book. Absolutely true. Absolutely true. My agent, who was a far left guy, gnawed my agent. But he read this

book. He loved this book. And he said, I'm going to sell this book. I said, I remember sell it? I've been blacklisted. He came back months later. I've shown him this book. I've shown him this book. to over 100 people. We didn't even get a nibble and it's so good. And I said, because on black, they would never black. Yeah. No, you're listed of color. Yeah, that's right. Right now go to good ranchers.com. Use code knolls. What do green eggs and your Christmas dinner have in common? They both need a ham to be complete. Not just any ham, but a spiral cut heritage pork masterpiece from Good Ranchers. That's the kind of ham that'll steal the show at your family gathering. Guess what? You get a

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Do you go first when you read it? No, we can do it. We can do it simultaneously. I'm going to say yes. No, okay. All right, look, I didn't know if there was some deep esoteric you were going to convert, Swim the Tiber, on this show. get the ratings up.

No, I actually believe that the church is universal. There are various churches that count the Orthodox Church, my particular church, which is about 15 people. Exactly, yeah, and none of this. Okay, I guess there is sort of... That one will be lumped into the ordinary at some point sooner or later anyway. By the way, we're going to heal the East West Sism.

Legitimate, I'm only half joking when I say that. I think we actually could heal it. I agree. It's God's church. He'll bring it together when he's ready. Yeah. You'll be left up. Yeah. Specifically, yeah. But guys, we resolve the fili-oque. Shut up, Michael. Eddie, no one wants you.

He'll be chasing out from me. Me. Okay. Here we go. Huh. Someone will eventually leak the Jeffrey Epstein client list. I bet I'll leave the country. I mean, the rest of the Jeffrey Epstein client list. Someone will eventually weak the Jeffrey Epstein-Klines. Wrong. I think no.

Really? So I think no, and you think yes. Yeah, I think somebody will eventually. It has been 60 years since the JFK assassination. And we were told, by congressional order, we were going to get all the CIA files in 95. The year of our Lord, 2003, we get a little nibble here or there. Oh, maybe they were doing.

some surveillance on Lee Harvey Oswald. Well, first of all, Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by a communist, one communist guy, and all the CIA stuff is... JFK was killed by one communist guy. JFK. Oh, who were you talking about? Yeah, well, no, the Harvey Oswald. And then Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by one... Catsy for the CIA. Because they didn't want to tell him that they'd be giving the guy money or something like that. You know, I was like...

But the Clintons can't live forever. And that's really what's in the world. Do you think, though, if I assume Jeffrey Epstein was mobbed up with intelligence, I think, I think it's almost guaranteed. And will the intelligence agencies allow that information out? That's a good question. That's a fair question. I mean, I think it really does depend, like, what was this guy?

We really don't know, like, what this guy was doing. Like, James Patterson, I read, I actually read James Patterson's book on the thing, The big mystery writer, and he's, you know, he's a billionaire, so he... Does he write his own books even? I don't know, no way. But he gives people credit for writing them, you know. But I read it and it didn't tell you anything except, like, you know, what he would do to these women. And I thought, come on, what the hell was he up to?

Right. I actually don't care about the women stuff. Yeah. You know, like, and there's only, like, five things you can do anyway. Right. You know, I mean, to quote Norm MacDonald, do you think you invented a sixth thing? It's really actually just three and five together. But I would like to know.

We know the big, I mean, we know Bill Clinton, obviously. We know Prince Andrew, we know. But what about those other guys? Bill Gates. Bill Gates, yeah. And here's another question I have. Why is it that Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein both had deformed genitalia? Yeah.

It's really strange. Right. Is that something that makes you want to abuse underage girls? Right. That's right. When it came out, this was totally buried by the press, but it came out in the Harvey Weinstein court docs, that he is vaguely hermaphroditic. It's a genital deformity, but he could be identified as intersex. Really?

Yes, which the, I mean, again, the intersects and her hermaphroditism is kind of overstated. Usually you can tell it's one or the other. But I noticed the pro-trans left kind of went real mum about that one. No, actually, hold on. No, no attention to the man behind the orange jumpsuit. No, those are two very weird stories. Yeah. I mean, Harvey Weinstein, I don't think is as weird as Jeffrey Epstein.

And the fact that he could be murdered, like, that is a story out of Swatonius, out of ancient Rome. The fact that he could be murdered in a facility, a safe facility, a max security facility. Right. With cameras and guards and supposedly a cellmate. And all Hillary needed was the Groucho glasses. That's the craziest part. The funny nose. Yeah.

Crazy. Well, to the truth. The late Jeffrey. Yeah. You can be a good Christian and actively support the full official Democratic Party platform. No possibility. It's not possible. You know, in particular, really just abortion.

Just abortion. Right. You cannot. I mean, I think virtually every self-identified Christian, is on board with this, but also if you're Catholic, the, like, the popes have been pretty clear. There's, there's, there's, there's, I just don't understand how you can call yourself an actual Christian and like, you know, like, I can, I can understand almost anything else like, you know, but, you know, you're killing babies.

You're killing babies. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, prerequisite, right. It's the, all the other, like, yeah, but, but all the other stuff, too. I mean, even the, the, the, the, the, the, the trans stuff, even, you know, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that on the platform? I guess it is. These days, probably. I think these days, you know, they're going to build an idol to Osama bin Laden soon enough. Well, not only that, they may

actually be like worshipping Satan. They actually do worship Satan. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's the thing, yeah. A little tough to include that in your Christian liturgy. You're up. All right, here we go. Tessa was far less attractive

before Gen Yen yourself. Wow, there's no way to answer this in a way that doesn't get us in trouble. Either we're saying that our beloved colleague Tess is hot, which is going to get us in trouble with HR, or we're going to say that she wasn't hot previously. So we're insulting the woman's looks. Right. How do you answer? I don't know how to answer that. I know how to answer.

I know how I would. Now also, one way you answer will make our advertiser really happy. And one way, we'll make our advertiser angry. Yeah. If we say, I know. But there's only one right answer. Okay. All right, let's see.

So, and the question was, or the statement was, Tessa was less? It was far less attractive before Gen Yenna'sel. Okay, well, I know your answer. But I'm going to say you're wrong. I'm going to say Tessa. It was far less attractive before Jenner. Far less attractive because, because, Drew. Gen Ysel came on right around the time.

that Tessa got married. And Tessa, who is a physically beautiful woman, she became all the more beautiful, actually, when she was married. I think we're talking about a soul. I just don't want to get in trouble, Drew. I don't, come on. Such a whimp, I can't say it.

Coward. Well, in any case, I'll drink to forget the question. To Tessa. And to GenuSelle. And to GenuSell. She does love this stuff. Right now go to genusel.com slash Knowles. I've got a holiday gift idea that will make you the hero of the season.

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You're right. Darn, I'm going to lose this game, all right. Can you actually lose this game? Is there something keeping score? I am, it's somewhere. Look at our hands. This is great. The whole show like this.

There we are. If you told me that the pyramids are 50,000 years old, I would believe you. If you told me that the pyramids are 50,000 years old, I would believe you, if you told me that the pyramids, were built by pagan civilizations, just worshipping demons and the demons actively guiding their hands, I would believe you. I'd be much more likely to believe you than if you told me, you know, they had like a lever or something. They had a bunch of slaves, pulling like Jewish guys. Jewish guys aren't that beefy. I mean, the ones in the IDF are.

Yeah, exactly. But yeah, maybe it's that. Okay, all right. All right, maybe. Maybe. I keep an open mind. All right. I'm glad. I got that right or wrong. I'm glad that we could at least. Yes, and I have to say that I'm shocked that we're actually keeping score.

I'm no. I mean, I don't see the score anywhere. To more emphatically push back on the woke nonsense in Disney's upcoming live action, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, Jeremy should go all the way against political correctness and title it Snow White and the Seven Midgets. Is Midgets the least politically correct word for a little person? No, because a dwarf and midget are two different things.

Are they? Yes. What's the difference? One is a mythical woodland creature. One is a sort of short fella. No, one is a short person, and the other is a short person, but is kind of malformed. I do believe there's a difference. So, right, one has.

sort of ordinary proportions. Yes. Interesting. That's true. I've noticed that distinction. Yeah. I think it should be called Snow White and the Seven White Guys. Snow White and the Seven, perfectly ordinary straight white men. Wider. Snow white and the whiter guys. Okay, so the answer is no.

I have to go no. But I think our solution would be. Yes, of course. In fact, it should just be called white white. and the white, light, white. I've been calling the new one sand beige. Sand beige and the seven tall men. Seven ordinarily proportional.

Ordinary proportion tall man. Michael Knowles embracing the dad bod in his early 30s. Yeah, real nice, real nice. I think I look actually pretty good. Thank you. Embracing the dad bot in his early 30s is disgusting and disordered. It's kind of like if Michelangelo saw a marble block and said, ah, let's just slap some pasta and whiskey on it. It's perfect the way it is. Who wrote this?

I mean, insulting, but undeniable. So I got your answer right. I'm trying to think about what I think about this. All right, we can put it in this. That's fine. I'm of two minds here. One, I think it's weird that men obsess over their physique, like women. So, like Jim Rat, men, I think, actually are a little too vain and somewhat womanish. But the old ancient Greeks, they understood that virtue is not merely an intellectual endeavor. It's physical as well. And if I really were interested in full arete, I would lift a weight every now and again. So, I agree. I agree. I have to say that especially some of us, those of us who have aged, it is a good thing to stand shape.

Yeah. Yeah. Because the thing is I don't watch what I eat. Yeah, you smoke. And I, well, but that's actually the plus because it suppresses the appetite, so I don't become a big fat guy. So that's the one health benefit I have. Plus we know nicotine is good for you. Did you know that?

Great. It is. No, I was talking to your son, no relation to Spencer Claven. And he told me that he believes we will live to see a day when nicotine has looked on He does believe that. What contradicts him is after the discovery of America, where they start to send home tobacco, every English king died of jockeys.

That's what I learned, ah, yeah. Yeah, but look, that's an anomaly. That correlation is not, it's trying to realize correlation is causation. It's like a libs slogan. It's true, yeah. Is it me, you? You.

Me, all right. Allowing attractive women into the workplace is more dangerous than letting a pit bull babysit your toddler. Well, you're pretty outspoken against pit bulls too. It's sort of question, is it more dangerous? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Of course.

It's, I assume we're violating a lot of NLRB statutes here, but it's not good for anybody. I don't think women should be in the workplace at all. Of course not. Of course. Until, you know, maybe for like a year before they get married, yes. It's like, it's ridiculous. It's, it's.

For what? Does it make women happier? No. No. And like this thing where they come back to work after they have children, stay home, take care of your children. And by the way, eventually, your children grow up and then you can start to enter the workplace. Yes. And you won't disturb. Yeah, I'm not opposed to. But you're so right. Like for what? I have, for every fictional story I hear of a woman who really just wanted, her dream was to make widgets and she was kept from that by the patriarchy. I have so many female friends who got. lured into all the BS, put your career first. And, you know, then they say, oh, they despair. They say, I can't find a husband. I can't get married. I can't have kids. You know, I was at my priest's birthday party, and this woman sat down across me and just started talking to me

about her life. And she had a baby, a new baby, and her husband. And she said, you know, they told me to go to work and then get married as if getting married was easy, as if it were easy to find somebody. She said, it was so hard. And I, you know, like, I didn't care about my work at all. all and all I care about is my baby.

And they all, you know, why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? The most, how much of work is like, you know, nonsense? Right. You're raising a child. You know, I remember I was talking, I guess I was talking to my father-in-law years ago. I said, well, what thing that you've done are you proud of stuff? And he said, well, my kids, no question, my kids.

And I thought, as a guy in his early 20s, I thought, okay, that's just the pat answer that an old guy gives. Yeah, okay, whatever. And then I had a kid. five seconds, I realized, oh, right, nothing. Look, not to downplay my blank book, which is a magumokas and will adore for ages, but... The cigars are good, thank you, the cigars are good, and those you set on fire, and then they turn to ash. But I was, at the birth of my first son, my wife is delivering the baby,

I'm delivering my manuscript on my book with words, which I really labored over and cared a lot about. They were both due on the same day. You roll them up, actually. And, I thought, oh, you're delivering your baby. I'm delivering my baby that I've been working on for nine months, or really over that, probably double that time. And I thought, and I'm not downplaying my book. I think it's a good book. This is nothing.

This is nothing compared to what is happening. It's our pale imitation of what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is, I really do feel that because of that, we as men, as a breed of people, have purposely denigrated what women do. Oh, she's just, she says, you know,

they just take care of the house. And I was like, all I know is like, go up to a guy who's bigger than you and insult his mother. And when you recover in the hospital, right? Right. You think this is something that matters to people. People like to adore their mother's hands.

Yes. Yeah, that's a great point. Oh, now they're nannies. It's just capitalism, huh? I think it's you. I'm up. I've read all three of the Cameron Winter Mysteries. I know this for the fact. I, hey, okay, hey.

I think you, I think you've probably read them. Now, in fairness, I have, I have maybe read more Andrew Kleibn novels. Certainly, I've willingly read more Andrew Klevin novels than maybe all the novels I've ever read combined. I mean, it's not, I'm... You have finished one of my novels? Oh, yes. No, I've actually read a number, not a lot.

Like, I don't know, like five or some tops. Oh, well, all right. That's actually a lot, yeah. But I don't, I just, I'm not saying I hate novels. No, you don't read novels. I don't read them. I just, even great novels, even, sometimes for the book club, I, you know, I'm assigned novels. I do it.

And every time I finish a great novel, I think, oh, that was great. Every time I finish one of your books, I'm not puffing you up. They're just excellent, and they're, like, beautiful. I have, I have, this is going to sound so gay. I've been, I've, I've, like, teared up, read at the ends of your books. Oh, that's good. I know, and I'm sorry, this is a confession. But, and yet still, then I put it down, I say, wow, that was a truly edifying, perhaps even sanctifying experience.

Well, done with that. Bye. Okay. Time to go read some other dry philosophy on nonsense. Yeah, there's some men, like they don't understand what, if they understood what novels were for, then they would read them more. but we're a dumb country. I don't understand that. Yes. But novels actually do, if you read them right, if you read them with a true heart, they actually make you a better person.

Yes. I just ordered, because when we go out, have a Stogey, maybe a couple of Coca-Cola's, you'll say you have to read this book or that book. And then I often order it immediately. But you never read. They just pile up. So I've got the one, The Monk book.

Oh, yeah. Well, that's a fun book. What's that book called? The Monk. The Monk, by... It's by monk Lewis. Yeah. Yes, and it's on my nightstand.

You would like that because it's a really interesting Catholic home. All right. All right, that pitches it up a little. I'm working my way up. I'm reading the Father Brown stories. Yeah, they're great. I can do 20 pages of fiction at a time pretty soon, you know. It's kind of why I like poetry.

I do read poetry. Poetry is great. And poetry, because it tricks me, because I think of a poem, is like 14 lines. And you get to the end of Dante. And you think, goodness gracious. And it takes a long time. It takes a long time to read a poem. But I do love poetry.

I love, I mean, poetry had a day. Yeah. And then it died. Yeah. I know. I was trying to compose one right now, like a haiku. It'll take too long. Me, right?

You're up. All right, here we go. It is more likely that we will fall into World War III in the next 10 years than not. Yes. Yeah? I can make my argument, if you like. Go ahead. The term Thucydides trap is overplayed, and most of it.

international relations, jargon is overplayed. But Graham Allison, the Harvard political scientist, makes this case that of the last, however many 19 or 16 to 20 global conflicts, three quarters of them have ended in war, meaning when a rising power confronted a dominant power, the consequence three quarters of the time has been in war. So now we face this with the U.S. and China. China, I think, is trying to head it off. And China just recently came out and said, the question is, do you want to be our partner or our adversary? If you want to be our partner, it's a big wide world, there's room for both of us. If you want to be our adversary and stop us from rising, you know, basically we're going to go to war. And I think the United States is

bellicose, not intentionally so, but we just kind of stumble into wars. And we're the dominant power on earth. And so the odds are already so stacked against us. I don't see how... And the civilizations are so different here in the U.S. and China. I don't see... There's no compromise, yeah. My argument is that we don't destroy our homes until we leave.

We destroyed Europe after we were gone. And so I think that when the minute Elon Musk sets up a community on Mars. Then we'll have World War III. We'll just blow the planet to pieces. Do you think we could have a World War III without blowing the planet to pieces? Yeah, we could. We could.

Maybe. Yeah. I mean, because nuclear weapons could be used in such a way that they made the planet unlivable, but they could also be used in such a way that millions die and, you know. Right. That is the thing. People think of it, you know, one nuclear bomb goes off in the whole pot. But that's not actually not how it works.

Right, right. But especially, you know, when you've got the first major war in Europe and Ukraine, then you've got this outbreak of war in the Holy Land that could escalate. That's the scarier one to me. It's way scary. Yeah. And it's already involves, what, like six powers or seven powers and maybe more soon. Wait, so did I get that right or not?

You got it wrong. I got it wrong. Where's the score? Yeah, I don't know. But there are my hands. It's like a fred of stereo. Really? When you're blue and you don't know where to go to, why don't you go?

Apparently you're winning by one. I'm winning by more than that. Wait a minute. Listen how greedy he is. Okay. Being invaded by pestilence or being bombarded with noise and production issues on a project is a good sign that you are doing something meaningful. Of course.

Yeah, the caterpillars. Yeah, the caterpillars. Yeah. And then was, this was after we, when we did another kingdom, and I felt it was a sort of God-born, you know, and the reason I say this is because I was sitting there thinking, I had written a novel that didn't work, and I had the flash that I was going to have to throw it away.

And suddenly the entire Another Kingdom story came into my mind at once, which never happened to me before since, ever, ever happened, just the whole thing, bang. First thing. And the day that I finished it, that my house was overrun by caterpillars, and then remember we started to record it. Everything went wrong.

Yeah. We had to re-record in the whole episodes. Yes, the whole thing was just... And then when I moved and I was writing... And another... I'm sorry, the truth and beauty was coming out. And I was getting ready to promote it and everything like this,

a book that was clearly a gift from God, that book. First time that our Lord, alongside John... John Keats had ever charted. Yes. Made the best seller list. My office was invaded by wasps. So that every day I would come in and there would be five, six wasps in the place. And I thought like, well, yeah, of course.

They were Episcopalians. And they were yelling at you. It's too Roman-ish. Right. I was doing an interview with an exorcist, father. Yes, remember this, yeah. I was sitting there. Yeah.

And usually on those, I was told I was going to have 25 minutes of no one. audio problem. It's guaranteed. So we're talking, maybe seven minutes goes by. Oh, there's some audio problem. Got a cut. Cut. Cut. Okay. Sorry, Father Rehill. Okay. We're back up again. Seven minutes goes by. Same thing. This goes on three, four, at least four times probably. And then I look at him. He's a very calm man. Very grounded fellow. I said, Father, does this happen to you often? this Michael. It's a story in my life. And I said, okay, next time it happens, just roll. Just roll right through it. I don't cut for any reason.

Didn't happen again. Really? The rest, two-hour interview, didn't happen again. That's funny. Well, yeah, you know, as you and I have often said to one another in the midst of some long conversation and or drinking about, this stuff is real. It's real. It's still surprises me.

Yes, me too, me too, because we're so trained to not believe it. Yeah. But it's obviously. Right. Because in the same way that, like, mental illness and being demon-infested are kind of the same thing just from seeing from a joke. Right. Like, I'm not saying there's, I'm not saying that I'm totally confident that they're never separate. Yes.

But, like, there would seem to be a lot of similarities. Like a Venn diagram. Like a Venn diagram. Like Kamala Harris loves. Yeah, or Venn diagrams. You're right. Oh, it's me, huh? All right.

It is more beneficial for young men or women to listen to Andrew Tate than read everyday feminism. That's like... Arsenic or, you know, cyanide. Yeah, exactly, exactly. More beneficial for young men or women to listen to Andrew Tate. I know what I would say. I guess what you would say? Yeah, grudgingly.

I'm not... Because Andrew Tate derives his power from saying... something that is true that he dedicates to evil. The thing that he says is true, basically, is that a woman will follow a strong man, even if he abuses her before she gives herself to a weakling who pays her all kinds of feminist respect. So he's saying a true thing.

So somewhere in there is a true thing that he is using for evil. Because when good people lie, the evil people get the truth. Right. It's the power. Right. But everyday feminism is just a joke. It's like, you know. Right.

And that's more poised. The only way that could be edifying is if you go in realizing what a joke it is and treat it like opposite day. I used to use it when I was writing, had to write four satires a week. It was like cheating. It was. Writing four satires a week is the hardest single creative act I've ever done. And sometimes I would just take every day feminist. Yes. It's like, hey, can I copy your homework?

It won't be too close to what you wrote. You change two words in every day. feminism? Yes, because Tate reminds me, look, I hold out hope that Tate will figure things out. I mean, he's a little up there, you know, he's not 22, but, you know, it's never

too late. But it reminds me that the greatest saints of history could have been the worst sinners, and vice versa, the worst sinners in history. That's awfully nice of you. I just mean, I mean it's Muslim now, yeah, yeah, for now. Maybe that's his, like if a guy goes

from being an atheist, to being a Muslim, to being a Christian. Right. Oh, that's great. I'll tell you. At least, you know, the Muslims know that God exists. No, it's true. Right.

As one of them actually, a town chieftain said to me in Afghanistan, we can talk to the Americans because the Russians had no God. There were animals. Yes. Yeah, exactly. But it seems to me, you know, people have different capacities. And some, there are great and, you know, enormously great. Yes.

I mean, wickedly great people in history. And it seems to me that, you know, if one of the worst had, if a Stalin or somebody had just gotten his will and his intellect right, gone in the right direction, he could have been one of the greatest sense of history. Likewise, I think, you know, I don't know, St. Benedict or somebody could have been one of the worst sinners who'd turn the wrong way. You know, your argument is good. I'm not sure it applies to the tape because he's kind of a, you know, he's a pimp.

You know, it's like, he's a pimp. He's a pimp. Though he says he gave up pimping. Yeah. Probably because it ain't easy. But I don't know. I mean, you know, he also lied about that, though. He lied and tried to make it seem like he had been doing that much longer ago.

And, I mean, that's really wicked stuff. But I admire your open-heartedness. I try. I listen. I'm, I legitimately am. Yeah, you need to like that. A flaw is a bit of optimism, yeah. And I know optimism is bad.

I know it's bad. It's like pessimism, two sides of the same point. But seeing the full capacity of the human person, I think, is actually a good thing. That's, yeah. I will praise you. Though I'll be disappointed, perhaps. In this case, probably. But yeah, but still, I'm...

Okay. Nice effort in getting an eager effort. I would be okay with a female president. This one's going to get us in trouble. I would be okay with a female president. Yeah. Well, it depends on what the meaning of okay is. It would be okay.

I'll say, I'll say this. Now, I can still... live a holy life, I hope, and go to heaven someday. So I guess I'd be okay. Margaret Thatcher. I mean, the exception. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I mean, we're very well. And you think of one other example ever in his day. Wait, one other. Queen Elizabeth, maybe. Well, she's a queen. I consider a monarch different than a, you know, a prime minister or president. Let's see, Maggie Thatcher.

Liz Truss. You know, I believe, and this has nothing. to do with the capacities of women, actually. I believe that when women take over a profession, the profession is over. Yeah. So when women become anchor women, the TV news doesn't matter. Movie directors.

And it's not, yeah, exactly. It's not because women can't do it. It's because men do it first. Yeah. They do everything first. And then they see something new coming along and they clear out. And that's when the women move in. Right.

And so I would just assume, Angl and Merkel. The end of Europe, right? Yeah. She ended Europe. I mean, it was like the Germans, it took the Germans three tries. They thought, like, well, we'll just invade. Then they thought, well, we'll have Hitler.

We'll just kill everybody. That didn't work. And then they said, how about a woman? Open up the gates. Here we go, maybe. Level the common. So, it's hard to believe, you know, like, and we don't have a parliamentary system, which is what takes to throw up at Churchill or a Margaret.

Right. So probably we'd be screwed. But you have to hold out the theoretical hope. Yes. And we, and it's really just like, it's sort of like answering, I'd be okay if the Hun invaded and beheaded us all. You know, like, I'd be, my okayness is not contingent on the political circumstances of this fallen world. Exactly. You're up. I'm up. All right. Casa Blanca is better than the Godfather, and they could both be improved on

if they were written and directed by young black lesbian women of color. Oh, wait, that's two assertions. Let's take the first one first. All right, Casablanca is better than the Godfather. Casablanca is better than the Godfather. Have you seen Booth Moon? Of course. No.

No. Oh, Casablanca is so much. Oh, look, Casablanca is great. I'm not knocking. No, no, no. But it's not great. It is certainly among the great films. I just recently revisited the Godfather.

It's the greatest movie except for Casablanca. Look, I didn't, I was, if I actually had a picture, the greatest movie ever. I would throw in there, mostly because I like acting, so I look for acting. I would throw a streetcar. Great.

I would maybe throw on the waterfront. I would throw the searchers. Half of it. The thing that takes place back at the house is not that. It's a little weak. Okay. I would throw in, maybe throw in the man who shot Liberty Balance.

Yeah, that's great. Maybe, maybe. That's like, maybe second tier. Going with the Wind? Certainly I would throw in Gone with the Wind. But I'm now of the opinion, other than my favorite movie, me, myself and Irene, if I had to take, obviously, that masterpiece aside, I might be willing to say that the Godfather, the first one. The first one is the great one. It might be the greatest movie ever made. Yeah, I think it's the greatest movie ever made except for Casa.

Except for Casablanca. Okay. Now, hold on. Now, the second question. Oh, yes. The second part of the, you don't want to lose the second part of it. they could both be improved on if they were written and directed by young black was lesbian women of color obviously i don't want to get canceled i want to keep my show so yes because because the thing is young black lesbian women of color do everything better because white men are the worst people on earth yeah except for the lack of talent you got to cut that part out i want to keep my show Okay, I'm up.

All right. Donald Trump is a good man. Wow. I know what you would say. That's correct. You're right, too. I know why you said it to it. Why would I say it?

Is you a lying dog? I obviously am accepting the anthropological fact that none is good but God. I'm obviously accepting the fallenness of the world. You both accept that, right? I think relative, so we're talking, Relative to presidents and politicians. I think actually, relative to our degraded state of politicians and leaders, I think he's in the upper 50% in terms of his virtue, actually.

I think he raised basically good kids. I think, look, he got divorced. He's had all sorts of problems. I think he's run a business actually pretty honestly. You know, it's funny, one thing about these indictments is they point out that he's never really doing anything all that bad. I mean, the guy was doing real estate in New York. I know, they're charging him with nothing. Yes.

Even in his showbiz career, I think about the evil, hideous things people doing showbiz. What did he do? He slept with some supermodels, which is like the cost. That's like the first thing you do when you get into big show business. I think I'm not defending all the bad things. But even in his kind of con manny ways, you know, which have been caricatured so much, there's a kind of honesty to it. Yeah.

And you know what you're getting? not the things that bothered me about him. I mean, when he was running the first time, I said, this is the first post-Christian candidate. And he was a guy who didn't care, he treated people like garbage, which by the way, was bad politics on top of it. But I don't know, I was just at the Reagan Ranch. I just gave a speech at the Reagan Ranch. I was thinking about Reagan. And by the way, you know, he was a womanizer and all this stuff. And, you know, but he, as a politician, he was so graceful. Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah, of course. Of course. And then he was a womanizer. And they told me that they needed to add paving at the top of the ranch for safety.

And he didn't want to do it because he didn't want to spend the public money on his safety. And I just thought, yeah, that's another time. When you go to the ranch, which is pretty cool, because it's owned by Yaf. And so it even has to be zoned as a private space. It's cool. And he kept coffee cans full of old nails and screws because he didn't want to buy new ones. I know. You know, and he, so, no, the man obviously had such class in grace.

Yes. For, even by the standards of his time, but also it was the 80s. And that was a more graceful and classy time. Right. And I just think. So, yeah, for Trump's time. He's a, he's a better man. Yeah, compare, I mean, think about this.

We're living in the age of Joe Biden and AOC and Pelosi. Yeah, no, no, it's, yeah. I'm grading on a country. curve. I would say that is a big curve. You're up. You're up. You're last one. For some people, horror films, metal music, or sexually themed art are morally fine to create

or enjoy. Wrong. Put a point up, baby. Let's go. The oar is what does it for me. Yes. Sexually themed, yeah, I mean, it shouldn't be pornography, but sexually themed is obviously fine. Of course. And horror films are not. Horror films, I think, can be quite good. There's some great ones. The exception to me, if it had been an and, my answer probably would have been no. Because metal music.

I don't think is actually defensible. You know, I know so little about metal music. It's just the sound of it. It's just the name of it sounds terrible. What I know of it comes from Plato. Okay. Was he a big metal guy? He was a huge metal fan, actually.

Yeah, it was with the... Just the, like, the... Bacolayas. Yeah. Balaclava's, baccala. No, hold on. That's the salted sea bass. God.

You know, percussion, music generally bypasses the rational faculty. This is why Plato said, you got to watch out. This is why Alan Bloom said, don't listen to rock music. And metal, by taking out discipline and control and melody and harmony for that matter, and by being entirely percussive, I do think, I'm with the old fuddy-duddies going back to Plato, I think it arouses the base passions and is actually not ever edifying. Well, see, here's the thing. I'm willing to dismiss all music after 1958.

Yeah. So you get two years of Elvis in there. Okay. Okay. Okay. Wow. I mean, I just, you know, the lyrics, I just was in the gym, and I'm on the elliptical, and I usually find something to watch, and there was a Fred Astaire movie on TV, and I started watching this movie.

First of all, distilled joy. No one could make anything today. No one, including me, could make anything today that just distilled. joy at that level. Yeah. Just sat there, right. With this stupid smile on your face. Yes. And then the songs were like, you know, there's this great song, let's face the music and dance.

Yeah, yeah. So simple, so condensed, you know, and just like, and just on the bridge of poetry but not trying to be poetry. Because I believe, this is what I believe about rock music. I believe it's actually bad poetry. Like, you know, they say Bob Dylan, they give Bob Dylan the Nobel Prize, and I thought, yeah, if poetry is now a decadent art. Which it is. So, yeah. So it is.

Yeah. But I just don't think any music, pop music, is good. No, I think, I mean, when I compare the music from the teens, 19-teens through the 50s to 60s and later on, the other day I was playing, you know, I play my ukulele or a guitar or something, almost every night, maybe piano a little. I'm impressed, by the way. Thank you. I, you know, I play every instrument, every instrument of the sun, other than drums, at the level of a 14-year-old. I've never progressed above that. That was when I stopped. But I was strumming on the ukulele, because I saw a great bit of Red Fox singing all of me. All of me, why not take all of me? And so I was just plucking it out on yuk. And the progression I realized is kind of a, it's a charming progression. It goes C, E7, A7, D minor, and it's kind of hopping around all over there, you know,

and then it kind of closes on a G7, so the 5, and then goes back to the 1. And so I'm playing that. I said, that sounds kind of familiar. I realized it's another song that Clapton kind of popularized, but it's a much older song, which is, nobody knows you when you're down and out. Nobody knows you when you're down and out. That's almost the same progression.

And it's clearly just a popular progression of that era. But it's complex. There's actual complexity to it. And then I think, well, what is modern rock music? Modern rock music. D.E.F, right? Yes. I mean, it's three chords.

It's one, four, five. Maybe you throw in a six there, which is the relative minor, maybe if you want to be fancy. But that's it. And so even just, you know, all of me, why not take all of me? Can't you see I'm no good without you? This is not, you know, the highest degrees of poetry. But at least there's something happening in the there's some sophistication around the music. If it's just, dun, dun, done, done, done. You know,

and you just think like, well, okay, that's every song since 1962. And good grief. The simplicity of the lyrics. Yeah. Masked a sophistication, you know, you took the part that once was my heart is actually a sophisticated lyric. Right. And like, you listen to Cole Porter using all one syllable words, you know. I was watching the other day, what is it, the one that takes place on the ship? Oh, um. Yeah.

That one. Yeah, that one. Yeah. And all through the night, all one silver words, all through the night, you know. And when dawn comes to wake me, you're never there at all. It's just so beautiful. Yeah. It's just unbelievably great.

Right. And I hate to sound like a funny day because I understand those, they don't speak, just in the same way I believe that abstract art is crap, but it does speak into its time. Sure, yeah. I feel the same way about rock music. You could not write those songs today and make them mean anything, you know, because they actually express something. I'll go further even on the abstract art point. I have a soft spot for Dada. Really?

I do, in the sense that I think it speaks into its time. Well, it tells you something, you know, and it's like evil, and it's an evil time. That is the problem. But you're right. It is art. Yeah. And I do feel that way about rock music. It is art.

As opposed to what's happening now. I mean, I have absolutely nothing as Taylor Swift. I don't think she's harmful in any way or anything. But not art. You know, it's not speaking to anything. The one, the positive I'll say about Taylor Swift, though, is because I don't get it. I went to see the movie of her concert tour and the women. All the women in the office were spending zillions of dollars to get the tickets.

She is so normal. Yes. She's pretty, but she's not beautiful. But she's pretty, and she doesn't have a ton of tattoos, or like crazy hair or whatever. She's just like pretty, and she sings about her ex-boyfriends. It's the most basic, relatable girl experience ever. And she's grateful. She thanks her fans. She's nice. She's nice. She's nice. In another age, she'd be playing a local bar somewhere in Palookaville.

But in our age, which is so profoundly. bizarre and abnormal, just a little taste of normality, I think, is gold. Well, she reminds me, not in that way, but when Madonna was, like, unbelievably big. Yeah. I used to think, like, her music and her songs are, like, this much better than everybody else. And I feel the same way about Taylor Swift. Like, you listen to everything, and it just goes by. You hear a Taylor Swift song, you sort of tap your feet.

Yeah, yeah. Shake it off. Yeah. Shake it off. Yeah. And that one song of hers that I actually had. half like as much as I like any amount of song like, we are never ever getting back together.

You know, I just think, it's funny, you know. Even there's something very wholesome. She had a song, I didn't know her songs until I saw this movie. Some I recognized in the movie, but. I can't believe you went to this movie. I was assigned to do it. It was a labor of labor. Not a labor of love, it was a labor of work.

It's love of labor. Yeah, yes. And there's one about, it's her, like, sexy song where she's doing her like hot dance. But even that, she goes, I don't know the words, but it's something to the effect of the things we do, You know, when we're together and the things we do at night in my dreams. And I thought, even that is kind of wholesome because it's a degree removed.

It's not like, oh, yeah, baby, put me up against the wall. It's like, I'm just dreaming. It's not whap. Yeah, exactly, you know. Yeah. Well, to Taylor Swift. To Taylor Swift. And did I win the game, Mr. Davies?

No. I did. Yeah. That's right. This is a stand. Here we go. This is stop the steel all over again. Stop the steel.

This is great. It's right. It's rigged. I feel we both won Drew. In a spiritual way. Yes. Now, do we have time for a cigar? I won the sense of I'm getting to leave.

Yes, that's true. Oh my God, no, I have to go. What? I have to catch my point. Think, wait a minute. Let me see. Do I? Nah.

You can skip it. No, I got a little time. Here we go. We're going to go have a cigar. Bye. See you next time. Dailywire.com. Go get the game.

Also, buy his book. Yeah. The book is The House of Love and Death. Buy it. Get it. It's good. It's good. See you next time.