The Michael Knowles Show - Michael Knowles DEBATES Two Liberals | Bar Fight ft. Adam Mockler & Cecilia Rae

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

Michael Knowles goes head-to-head with Adam Mockler and Surrounded star Cecilia Rae in this episode of Bar Fight, where the fired-up live audience chooses the hottest topics to cover. From incels to deportations, no subject is off-limits with live questions from the rowdy Nashville crowd. - - - Today's Sponsor: Balance of Nature - Go to https://balanceofnature.com and use promo code KNOWLES for 35% off your first order PLUS get a free bottle of Fiber and Spice - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No, no, no, no, no. Let me talk. Most of the illegals are asylum seekers or are they economic life? Wait, no. Wait, wait, wait, let's know what you just said. I want to help you get late. Not me, late. Are you pro-insel?

No. Welcome to Bar Fight. I'm Michael Knowles. I'm joined tonight by two guests. Wow, real sophisticated answer. I know. You would know him from CNN if anyone ever watched. Adam Mockler.

Well, dude, you gotta answer my questions a little better. Just because you're wrong about something doesn't mean it's not... That's convenient. You know what? You should get out of my country. They want more deportation. I'm also joined. One of the most reasonable people ever to appear on Jubilee, that would be Cecilia Ray.

This is how it works. We have each brought three topics to the table. The audience chooses the topics. We will duke it out. Then our highly sober audience, I can already tell how sober you are. You can go up to the microphones. pick a fight with any of us. If you want to fight me, you go to the blue microphone.

If you want to fight my guests, you go to the red microphone. Let's get into it. Sessie ladies first. Okay, the big beautiful bill is the ugliest piece of legislation written for the American people. Okay, Adam. Trump is putting Russia first before America first when it comes to the Ukraine war. He's putting Russia first. Yep.

Nope, you guys can boo all you want. It's true. Okay. Yep. But my topic is the only problem with Trump's deportations is we need more of them. This feels a little bit skewed. It seems a little bit. All done.

I thought Nashville was a blue city. I don't know. The whole country's turned red, though. Mr. Davies, who won? Looks like the people want more deportations. They want more deportations. Let's hear, Michael. All right.

The deportations have been great thus far. We've gotten rid of lots of criminals. We've gotten rid of lots of face-tatoed Satan-worshipping gangsters. I think it's all really good. We have cut crossings over the border down to basically nothing. In May, it was literally nothing, not one man apprehended. Historic lows since then. So that's all been great.

Self-deportations have been even better. 2.1 million immigrants have deported foreign-born in just the last seven months. 1.6 million of them illegal. That's 10% probably of the illegal alien average. The only problem is, if we want to improve, our crime statistics, if we want to improve safety, and if we want to improve drains on our public welfare systems, we need to deport more. No, you say no, why? Am I kind of start?

I'll go. I say ladies first. Yeah, I'll go. Okay, so here's the thing with the deportations is that you look at it through three different lenses. The first lens you could look at it through is the money lens, right? The billionaire lens where they pay $89 billion in taxes while Tesla and Amazon pay zero. We're going to toss out $89 billion, but we don't know what, you know. And then the second lens you could look at it through is, oh, they're all criminals.

But in reality, a study done by the Justice Department in 2021 showed us that American-born citizens are 10 times more likely to be incarcerated for a weapons charge, five times more likely for violent crime, two times more likely for drug offenses, and two times more likely for property crime over documented and undocumented and undocumented immigrants. And it's because when they come here, they have more to lose them. we do. I'd rather have people here that are willing to cross thousands of miles with just the clothes on their back because they really want to be here. And we've seen our GDP has crashed into the negative. All these farm jobs that you guys all say, oh, I'm going to go, they took our job. They're empty. Why is no one taking them? What do you all, what's going on? Okay. Adam, do you agree? I have my own framing that I want to approach this with. Do you want to respond or can I go?

Sure. So you mentioned that the non-illegals, the citizens commit far higher crime. That's a little strange because when you look at the federal docket for just 2024, almost one third of cases on the federal docket are non-citizens. That's much, much higher than their share of the population, which is in the single digits, probably about 5% for illegal aliens alone. Then if you look at the prison population, BOP, 15% of inmates are non-citizens, much, much higher than their share of the population, which is 4%.

Then if you look at just the cost. to the cities. I can go to New York, my old hometown. The New York comptroller showed that they were spending $1.5 billion in 2023 on the illegal aliens who were there. That number doubled the following year, $2024 to $3 billion. It's over $3 billion this year. So when you say this is a net positive for the economy, they're contributing so much more than the billionaires. When you say they're no good for crime, I don't know. I look at the numbers from, I look at the numbers out of New York, I look at the numbers out of the CBO. I look at the numbers out of the National Academies of Science.

And I say they're all contradicting you. No. Your study, I don't ever trust your statistics. Can I hop in real quick? Go for it. Okay, so I'm going to take a little bit of a different approach when it comes to this. I want to start off with the fundamental idea. Everybody in here agrees that if somebody is here illegally and they commit crimes, get them the out of here out of here.

Get them the hell out of here. If somebody is here, listen. Yeah, did you just hear what? No, not all of them. No. No. No. No.

You said if they're here... Michael, Michael, Michael, is there a difference between a civil and a criminal violation? Well, uh... Wait, is crossing the border illegally a civil or a criminal violation? It depends on the case, but it can be a civil violation. It can be a civil violation. So can I just... It can't...

Okay, so let's all start off with the fundamental idea that somebody is here illegally. No, it's not. It's a civil violation. Well, uh... It's not a criminal... What is illegal me? What is illegal? No, they just called them criminals. Okay, so...

Let me just get into this. I can start with the fundamental idea. that if somebody's here legally and they commit crimes, they should be sent to another country's prison. And I'm a libtard. By all standards, I'm a libtard and I believe that. But that is not what the Trump administration is prioritizing. They have reallocated funds meant for the deportation of criminals towards a deportation of farm workers, the deportation of people going to the courthouse. Trump made a true social post. Listen, Trump made a true social post where he said, all the great farmers of Iowa just called me and said, I'm deporting too many of the, did that happen? Did he make that true social post?

Yeah, unfortunately, he stopped deporting them. He did. He should have continued deporting them. Your issue right here is that you always say liberals are taking these 80-20 positions. And you're not quite there, but you're getting closer to the 80-20 position than we are. 70% of Americans want a legal pathway for people who are here contributing to the country. And what Donald Trump is doing, one more point. What Donald Trump is doing is criminalizing asylum en masse and prioritizing the deportation of farm workers and other people. Most of the illegals are asylum seekers or are they economic migrants?

Wait, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, listen to what you just said. Most of the illegals are asylum seekers. Asylum seeking is not illegal, Michael. No, it's not. Is asylum seeking illegal? That's a pathway.

Sorry, then. The people that we would call illegal aliens, non-citizens in the United States, who aren't on a green card, we're not here on a visa, are most of them asylum seekers or are they economic migrants? You're not going to answer that question because you know the answer. Wait, no, what percent of the people deported have had criminal violations? It's only 30 to 40 percent. So 60 percent of the people deported have no criminal violations.

Guys. They're not rounding up. Can I test the audience? Can I test you guys? If somebody comes over here and seeks asylum and what they try to do is build a better life, build a family, and they're working on a farm, do you guys think there should be a path to citizenship to become an American? That is the antithesis of what America stands for. You guys are anti-American then.

You are anti-American. Can you imagine going to a Nashville bar talking to great patriots and saying you're anti-American? That's the craziest thing I ever heard. America was built off of immigrant. Yeah. Well, hold on. Adam, you can finish your point. Then we got some questions.

Right here. Okay. Okay. To the panel. Americans will work every single job. They just want to be paid a wage that's worth it and treated well. The only reason, do not let me talk. The only reason that we have a legal immigration and so much legal immigration is because

the corporate lobby wants cheap labor and they can treat their workers like shit. Hey, hold on. I want to make a correction. I want to make a correction. The other reason is the Democratic. Democrats want a permanent electoral majority. They want an electorate where they do not have to campaign. They don't need good ideas.

They will just win every single election because of the people they imported. That's funny because Latinos went red. Littinos went closer to being read this election. So it's kind of funny. Do you think that once we deport everyone that suddenly Congress is going to raise minimum wage? It's not about the minimum wage. It's about labor economics. Wages go up when there are less people to do the job.

who are taking advantage and exploiting them. That guy is seriously buying for a VIP table spot. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, no, I want to say something. Okay, I want to say one more thing right now. So this whole mass deportation thing, first off, they're not going to raise minimum wage for you because everyone's fine. I'm not asking you to do that. I think what he's saying is because it's not about the minimum wage.

Right, because there are pressures on the labor market when you flood it with a local. I'm a contract. blame the men at the top who are hiring and exploiting them. That's why. Also, this whole mass deportation thing, just so everyone knows, it is all to fuel the racism in this country. No, it's not. No, it's not.

When in reality, stop. In reality, the only color, the only color that matters in this country is green. Are you green enough? And 99% of us are not. So you're not going to get a pass unless you could pay for it. Yep. But, yeah, but money. But the, but to our earlier

point, if that were true, though, Sessie, the illegal aliens are a drain on resources at the state and local level. They're not. They're not. According to the CBO, they take more than they put in a national budget office. Oh, the CBO that you guys don't trust when it's convenient for you? But also according to the National Academy of Science. Well, I certainly trust the CBO on the big beautiful bill.

Well, I certainly trust it more than Adam Mockler. Do you, do you believe the CBO or no? Listen, if we enacted the mass deportation that Donald Trump wants, over the next decade, $900 billion would increase the deficit. 3.3% of our GDP would be hopped off. Who pays for their health care?

Wait, can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Would you be okay with people being here, immigrating here? Probably not. No. Listen. Probably not. Can I ask you what? So you're just un-American. So you're just un-American.

I wasn't born here. I wasn't even born here. You weren't born here? And you don't want people to immigrate here. Because we have more than enough. Yeah. That is pulling. You know what? Are you gay and you hate people too?

It's my country too. You weren't born here. That doesn't matter. Wait, guys. No, it's not. I want to do it's best. I don't see any country today now. And you're not from here.

That's okay. You're a hypocrite. I don't think it's hypocritical to come to a country and then say we shouldn't flood it. No one else is allowed after me. I don't really want this guy in my country. I don't know. I do. I want to elect that guy to, I don't know, senator something.

I definitely want that. You're also a little brown. Jesus. You say he looks. brown? That's what they're doing. If you look the wrong skin color, if you have the wrong tattoos, they're just picking you up. All right. Do we have another question back there? Wait, I have a question. I have a question. Are you guys okay with ICE racially

profiling? Oh, so we got a bunch of racists in the audience. Well, hold on. Are you okay with ICE racially profiling? I think if ICE is confronted with a little Norwegian grandma and a guy named Jose who doesn't speak a lick of English and either trying to pick up illegals, probably go for Jose, right? That's not what the race is. Is that racial profiling that they're doing? Technically, that's probably racial profiling.

That's not what I'm talking about. You can go to an extreme example. What are you talking about? I said you got a Norwegian and a Hispanic. You're picking up illegal aliens. So you're picking the white person is what you're doing. I would not pick the white person because she didn't, she didn't come here illegally. You're hopping to the most extreme example, but do you think you should be able to go somewhere.

And if there's a group of people speaking Spanish, you should be able to directly target them due to the race. Speaking Spanish is not a race. I'm just talking about the profile. Plenty of white people speak Spanish. Even black people do too. They are profiling people based on their language, their skin color, and their skin color, thing. That's what I'm saying. And are you... Hold on. That's different, Adam.

That's a very important point. You're saying, should we profile people based on strictly one criterion? And I would say, ah, probably not. That's probably a broad broad. But they think we should. Hold on. The audience thinks we should. So you disagree with your own audience. No, no. You just said... Wait, should be racial profile. Hold on. But what you just said was race speaking of foreign language in an enclave that's

segregated from the mainstream community, speaking in their own way. Well, now you got like five different touch points. Yes. I would say Tom Holman... Round him up. Here's the problem. The Trump administration has admitted they have done illegal deportations. When they brought back Kilmar Amando Obrego-Garca. Gilmar Abrago, give me a break.

Wait. He's gangster from Maryland. The Democrat Senator Chris Van Holland, love of his life. Wait a minute. If you're a gangster, why did the Trump administration bring him back? He's being prosecuted right now in the United States. Why do they bring him back? Because some two-bit federal judge made him do it, so now he's being prosecuted here.

Why would they agree if it was just... Trump always disagrees with judges? Why would he bring him back? Because Trump's not a tyrant like you people always say that he. He follows the law. He listens to the courts and he works within the system of laws. Okay. Now, who was the VIP in that round? Do we even have to

ask? Is that our future senator, Mr. Not Born here, American? Where's he? Where's he at? Sir, you get to go to the VIP table. Great to see you. Palo. That's a good name.

Is that Italian? All right. Now that's Get him out of our country. Get him out of our country. Yeah. Anti-Italian discrimination. Okay. Now, folks.

Sessie, would you like to go first? Okay, so my top topic is Trump is using national emergencies to distract from the Epstein files because he's in them. Okay. Does that do it for you? That's it. Okay.

All right, Adam. How about this one? Trump's tariffs have been an unmitigated disaster. They have been a disaster. Booth the tariffs. I kind of like that topic because it's so wrong. Okay, my topic is, it's Adam and Eve,

not Adam and Steve. Gay marriage is really bad for kids. Is that? All right, wow, all right. Michael, you won. We're going to do Adam and Steve first. Wow, man, 2003 slogans still crushing in 2025. Love it.

Okay, let's get into it. It seems to me there's no such thing as gay marriage. There's nothing against guys who are a little light in the loafers. I lived in New York, in L.A., I went to the gayest university in the world. But it's just... You weren't Yale? It was Yale, he guessed it. But men and women are different.

And so the union of two men is different from the union of two women, and that's different from a marriage, which is a man and a woman. And I think that men and women both have something to contribute. I think that children benefit from a mother and a father. I don't think men and women can be replaced and substituted for each other. And the science shows that kids who are raised in gay house, households do a lot work on basically every measure. That's not true.

Yeah, so what I get wrong? A few things. First of all, I just want to start with the fundamental fact that I think marriage is important. I think that marriage is something that should be incentivized. And in America, there is gay marriage. You can say gay marriage does not exist, but there is gay marriage since 2015. It's like saying there's up down, though. You could say it, but it doesn't make it real. Legally, can gay people get married? Have gay people gotten married in the United States? No, well, some have when they're hiding their true desire to second.

Legally, have gay people gotten married in the United States? Have a man and a man legally gotten married? Yes or no. It's not possible. That'd be like swimming in outer space. Legally, it doesn't mean anything. No, legally they are married. Wait, guys in the crowd.

Two men have never gotten married, ever in America? They've married women. What do you mean semantics? Can you explain what you mean by semantics? No, I'm straight. I'm just trying to defend... I wrote a little song to remind you, Choice Hotels get you more of the experiences you value. The Canber Your Hotels Got It All, a rooftop ball,

have a ball. Bring a date, your squad, or even your mom. Book direct at choiceotails.com. If you have a point to me, go up to the microphone. Yeah, yeah. So I feel like you're the one that's playing semantics. When you say that... Well, semantics means meaning, and I'm trying to get to the meaning of the debate. And by the way, semantics are very, very important. So when we look at the laws in the United States, you cannot look me in the eyes and say, two women have never gotten married. You can play semantics. Adam? I'm looking you right in the eyes. Two women have never married.

You're lying. That's not true. You guys can cheer, but I'm sure you guys know that people. That's not true. Right. We know that people have gotten married lately. Let's go downstream to your next argument that children don't do better in gay marriages. Which isn't true. There's a lot of statistics showing the exact opposite. There's studies. There's one that I was reading earlier.

I can't remember the exact name. But it was the main one that it's supposed to prove that children in same-sex couples or same-sex marriages don't perform as well. But there were a lot of other factors they weren't controlling for, such as, unstableness in the family household which was not directly related to gay couples but can I ask you a question? Hold on that. So you were touching on points that do bear on that but this is a very important part of the debate. Yeah. Because the study that everyone cites in defense of gay marriage, gay marriage, is the Rosenfeld study from Stanford 2010. And it found that the kids in gay, raised in gay households

did just as well as the kids raised in normal households. The problem was that the study eliminated households that where the parents had moved and the kids had moved within five years. That disproportionately removed the same-sex households. So that was re-examined later on, and when you controlled for that fact, it wiped it away. More importantly, in 2012, there was a study that came out of UT Austin. This was much more thorough. It measured the kids of married parents, heterosexual living-together parents, two fellas, two chicks, measured them on 80 different measures of social outcome. The parent, or the children, rather, of the same sex couples did worse on 77 out of 80.

The exceptions were voting habits and alcoholism among kids raised by lesbians. Can I ask you a question? No, I want to ask a question really quick. Would you rather, so the gays when they adopt are taking kids who don't have homes. Would you rather kids grow up in a foster care system? Sometimes intentionally purchasing kids with the intention of depriving of their natural mothers. They go through the same checks as straight couples to adopt. Can I say a few things really quickly?

Can I ask a question? Sure, Adam. So yeah, each state has different laws that are, you have to meet certain requirements to adopt people. So you cannot just adopt somebody if you're an absolute piece of shit all the time. Plus how many straight people have kids that shouldn't? You can, you can. But overall, there are house checks. There are things that go through.

Can I ask you a simple question, though? Yes. Say a kid was abandoned by their family at a young age and they're growing up in the foster care system. Would you rather them spend most of their formative years in the foster care system or with two parents that are the same sex? So I think it's very telling that you're focusing on older children in the foster care system. care system and not defending and not defending kids who are either adopted as newborns or kids who are, which is an increasingly frequent occurrence, kids who are purchased through the IVF and surrogacy industry with the intention of depriving them with their natural mothers. I think you're

doing it because it's the most sort of hard stream. You're not answering my question. Wait, did he just answer my question? Yeah. Do you want them in the foster care? No, I guess my answer is because the overwhelming scientific evidence backs up the overwhelming common sense evidence that I'm going to ask the question one more time. I'm answering it for you. The kids do worse on virtually every measure raised by same-sex children. So you'd rather have them in a foster care system. I don't think, for example.

You've kind of just slithered around it. Wait, what's his answer been, guys? Yeah, I don't know. No one knows your answer, bro. Clarify your answer for me. I am answering it for you. What is his answer been? I don't think that children do well raised by same-sex parents.

That's not the question. The question is, do you want them in the foster care system more than an two-sex marriage? I don't think that, I don't think that, two men or two women should be able to... So, foster care is better for them. So you're slipping through the guys, are we going crazy or not answering the question right now? I guess my answer for the foster care system would be that kids are being raised often in same-sex situations in the foster care system.

So you can't make a comparison between those two because you're already dealing with one man or five men or ten men. Why did it take you like five minutes to make that point at the end? Because you're evading the actual point, which is whether children raised in same-sex households do better. or worse. And the scientific evidence, which you could not cite, scientific evidence which you could not cite, uniformly says that they do worse. Not uniformly, no. You just cited a study from 2010 that said the opposite. Which was corrected three years later out of Simon Fraser University. There are multiple organizations. When I was doing my research, I can't remember.

There are multiple organizations. You gotta do better research if you can't remember. Dude, you got to answer my questions a little better. I don't know. I think I just answered your question. So yes, the foster care system is better. So a foster care system is what you prefer. That's so ridiculous. You know, You're making a totally inapt comparison to avoid the actual point. But there aren't enough, like, gay couples adopt, and so do straight couples. I don't understand why you would rather have them in the foster care system.

It's a very common situation that happens, Michael. A lot of times people are abandoned, and gay couples obviously can't have kids, so what they do is adopt. Now, my question is simple. No, that's not true. What they do generally is purchase children through the IVF industry. Generally, do you think straight? Do you think straight couples are also buying kids when they do IVF? Well, they shouldn't do that either.

Do we have any questions over here at the mic? Adam, I think you're completely wrong. About what? How did we get on topic from kids to marriage? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me talk. Oh, that was his problem. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Let me talk, all right? There is two genders in this world. You are born with either a, you know. You just went from kids' marriage to gender. Okay, but it doesn't make a difference. Well, you just said he, that way. along with women and women belong with men. That's all I got to say. Thank you very much.

Real sophisticated answer. I know. I thought that was well said. Your prompt did include the kid part, though, right? Say it again. Your prompt didn't include the kid part, though, right? Also, you're here with a giant group of men, right? Well done.

Excellent question. All right. We have to move on topics. Okay, so please, I want to buy you a drink at the VIP table. We got Mayflower cigars over there. Don't light them inside, please. Can you tell me? What is your name?

Joey That's a good name Josephina Josephina works too I mean it's only for a day you know Wait so you guys are okay with a group of guys

Breaking gender norms to have a little bit of fun right there? They're not adopting any kids don't worry They're gonna be no kids tonight Wait no but you guys are okay with that I feel like that usually wouldn't be okay You guys would call people like that like weird But they're just like having fun right Well the reality is if you're just playing around

And we all know it's like a big joke That's one thing With the crazy thing that happened That's a weird arbitrary line. No, the crazy thing that happened in our society is we all started to pretend that, like, the farce was reality. And that's when you take it a little bit too far. You know, I don't know. Do you think gender dysphoria is not real, according to DSM-5?

Or are you going to all of a sudden not believe stops? I think some fellas think they're ladies or they watch too much porn or whatever, but they shouldn't. It's bad for them, and they should be tethered to reality. That would be the charitable, and it's the charitable right thing to do because charity is clarity, would be my view. Okay. Ladies first. What's your top topic? Okay, my next topic is the in-cell male loneliness epidemic is self-imposed

That was the in-cell crowd Adam my last one is Trump has personally profited more off of this presidency than any other president in history He has doubled his net worth They're applauding the profit I think they're they're not applauding yeah because you guys are hypocrites who have no spine I don't mind profits are great He's doubled his network my dude he was like dude at the mic was just saying that American should be paid living wages, yet the president is doubling

his net worth, and you're like, yeah. During the presidency? No, I was in the internecine period. Now, okay, my last topic, 28% of Zoomers should be alive today, but their mothers killed them. Kind of a doer topic, yeah, okay. No one wants to talk about that, but it's true, isn't that crazy?

Okay, I don't know, Mr. Davies, I actually couldn't tell between those two. I was actually a clear winner on the decimator. The decimator popped when all the in cells came out and forth. Who's in cells? We're doing incels. Yeah. Hold on one second. Go to balance of nature.com. Use promo code Knowles. Life gets busy.

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I think you should be blaming more like the dating apps, this and that, because we're not out in the wild. We're at a bar right now with like 70 people. You can find a match here instead of online where you have 7,000 and everyone's just playing the game. I just don't feel like there's enough contact. I mean, as time goes on, according to the CDC, we're having less sex. Excuse me, you're having, less sex as time goes on. Like we, I think insoles need to get a gay friend and a girlfriend to glow you up and show you the way.

There's somebody, there is somebody for everybody. Have you ever seen the show My Strange Addiction? They're all married. So if you're an insult in the room, you will find yours, trust. So hold on, I want to see if I can narrow. I thought you were going to go after the incels, but that was like a pep talk.

That was very inspiring. But that's the thing. like for the in-cell movement, like I don't want to tear you down. Like, I want you to be built up so that you're good men for us women. Wow. Okay. Like, I want to help you get laid. Not me, lay you. Are you pro-in-cell?

No. But other women, I could help you with your style. I can totally help you. Wow. That's it. If the bachelor party could get any more excited, I think they would be out of the room. Okay, yes? Can I just give a bit of a boring answer as a young dude who's grown up in this culture. I'm not an in-sel, but I just mean, I've grown up and I've seen this. Are you a

ball cell? What's that? An in-cell is an involuntarily celibate, and a val cell I've learned is a voluntary cell. What's the name for a normal person? That's me. That's not the window. Okay, okay. I think that a lot of this was exacerbated by social media, and then when the COVID pandemic hit, a lot of people put up bubbles around themselves. The COVID pandemic kind of feels like a lot of people were isolating, and I had to intentionally tear down that bubble and make sure I'm socializing after. So I think we see the downstream effects of social media and COVID kind of fucking up the brains of young men on mass. And a lot of this stuff happens online. But just from what

I've seen firsthand, it's a lot of social stuff that has been caused by the environment we've grown up in. But that's fair. Wow. You know, I can't believe it's kind of weird. But I, I agree. Actually, if you look, it's within that odd that we agree on something. I, because I was looking, it's the global male loneliness index or whatever it is, says that COVID was. the spike in 30% of male loneliness. The numbers are awful. 80% of suicides are men. Men report, you know, having been

extremely lonely the day before, at a much higher rate than women. So they're really in a bad spot. And my only thought on it is, well, actually, Adam, it's to your point, which is instead of like the in-cell, it's like, are you an in-cell, trad, hip, cool, if you're just normal,

if you just be normal and you live a normal life and you do normal things, which weirdly includes a bunch of, bunch of dudes like every so often wearing weird wigs and going out to a bar that is normal I go to a bachelor party is a normal thing I'm going to one tomorrow actually you know if you just do that behavior you're here it worked for your parents it worked for your grandparents exactly you guys need to get out into the wild man do we have a question I got a question I'll clarify not an insult got a girlfriend vol cell practicing Catholic you know for now

but um I think there is an issue There is an issue, and the issue I'm finding is that my friends at least don't want to meet a girlfriend, a wife, at a bar necessarily. They want to meet her in church, or a church event or something like that. In my generation, for the first time in history, there are more men attending church regularly than women. So I'm wondering, I don't want this trend to kind of keep going in opposite directions, where you end up with all these church-going, stand-up men without options for partners. Well, I mean, when they're at church, I mean, are they flirting? Are they doing the appropriate things?

The women aren't there. What's your prescription, Michael? What's your prescription? The women aren't there. The women aren't there anymore. That's the problem. Well, that's because a lot of religion holds women back, so we don't want to be there. Oh, yeah.

Religions what's holding women back. Religion's the problem. Religion's saving women from the idols. Didn't save men? That are everywhere right now. Maybe not yet. It's never too late, you know. Actually, let me say this.

My grandmother is a Christian pastor. Like, I grew up in the church. Oh, that's not. Not real either. That's the idol right there. Come on. She's a Methodist Christian, Cuban pastor. The reason they're booing, it's very nice that your grandma's Christian.

That's a good thing. But it's because women can. The idea is that... She was the first one in her church to be a pastor. This is true. I'm not lying. In deference to your grandmother, I won't make the broader theological point. Don't.

Don't do that. But you go to a Catholic Mass, I take it. Is that right? Yes, that's right. So there, we don't have priestesses in the Catholic Mass, no. But you make a great point, which is that in the new atheism, men led the way out of religion. Men led the way to atheism.

And then, now that everyone realizes atheism is dumb and totally indefensible, now it's the men leading the way back. But you have this problem, especially if you go to the traditional masses, where if you want to date, you know, the odds are good, but the goods are odd. I mean, these are real particular people, and it's a lot of guys. So in that case, I would just say you have to do what is incumbent upon a man, and you got a lead, and you have to kind of lead by example. And maybe that means that tonight when you're leaving this wonderful bar, you see a girl who's relatively wholesome. Well, you're a volseller dating.

But some of your friends, you see a girl who's relatively wholesome for Lower Broadway in Nashville, and you invite her to the traditional Latin Mass tomorrow. I think you guys just need to shoot your shot when you want to. It's a numbers game at the end of the day. So, I mean, no, legit, it is. It's a numbers game. So shoot your shot. See something, say something. When I see someone's cute, I say it.

I ask guys out all the time. Yeah, hold on. Okay, listen. I understand what you're saying that it's self-inflicted because I think if a man sees a problem, he shouldn't blame anybody else for it. He should do whatever he has to do to fix the problem. But what do you think?

What do you think? What do you think about the fact that an estimated 1.4 million women in America are on only fans, and most of them aren't making any money from it. So if you're in college, if you're in college and you're trying to meet the person you're going to be with the rest of your life, what are you supposed to do when like 25% of the chicks are on there

are showing their tits online for free? Free market, baby. Well, then that's not, okay, so then, well, since they're out there and you know they're on only fans and that you already can write them off as the chick you don't want. So I guess they're exposing themselves so that you know, that's not for me. I'm just saying it's like harder to catch a fish

when you dump toxic waste in the pond is all I'm saying. You know, hold that. His other problem with it, your problem with it, right when you said the question was, not that they're on only fans, but that they're not making any money from it.

There's an argument if she's making a million dollars a month. I mean, if they're doing it for no money, that's just stupid, but also there can't be a seller without a buyer. So maybe if men stop going on OnlyFans, the reason why OnlyFans is popular is because a lot of lonely young,

men buy only fans. There can't be a seller without a buyer. But aren't those lonely young men buy it? But if there's nothing to buy, you can't buy it. If there's nothing to buy you can't buy. I thought we liked free market capitalism in here. I thought if there was demand for something.

Not unrestrained by a moral order. If there is demand. Wait, so you're okay? I don't worship mammoth. Are you okay with the government stepping in if there's a moral? For sure. So is the government in your eyes,

I don't really know much about your ideology. Is the government in your eyes the ultimate arbiter of what's moral and what's not? No, there's an objective moral order that we can intuit because we're creatures of reason. Only fans is objectively bad in your eyes? Yeah, for sure. Not in my eyes, so it's not objective. Yeah, I don't care.

Just because you're wrong about something doesn't mean it's not... That's convenient. That's convenient for you. No, no, listen, 2 plus 2 equals 4. You talk to a 3-year-old kid, he might think 2 plus 2 equals 5. That doesn't mean that we just throw our hands in the air and can't come to a conclusion. There is a creator economy and Only fans with not only millions or 1.4 million girls participating, but even more millions of men. So all of these people in your eyes are just complete moral degenerates who are wrong.

Yeah, basically. Okay. But we all sin. What's your governmental prescription to stop that from happening? What's your prescription? Does the government step in and regulate only fans, stop men from buying that? Okay, wait. That's that small government.

That's more government. So you want more government to step in. Yeah, I want a proper, limited government that pursues the common good. I'm not a libertarian, but I'm a conservative. But I want to ask the audience a quick question. Okay, for the guys in here, clap if you would want to see only fans completely go away. Okay, okay, wait. Okay, wait.

Now, now, Adam, you're not clapping. Now, clap if you don't want it to go away. I mean, I don't get it. You don't have to watch it. Hold on. I don't want to embarrass you, Adam. But notice here, she said, do you want to see this, like, disgusting pornography set, go away? And clap if you want to do it. And you didn't clap.

That makes you look like a weirdo. You should have clapped. You should have a weirdo. Can I just explain? Yes. I'm just rather agnostic. I think if there's supply and demand, I think there's demand. I think there's a man for economy.

You got women being exploited, selling their bodies for sex. They're going to be washed out of it. They're going to have trouble getting jobs. No man's going to want. That's their personal decision, though. That's their personal decision. I think it's valid. So are you their boss or their dad?

No, I'm a citizen and a self-governing republic that makes laws to protect the common good. You have to go to their page to see it. You know what my question is? Yeah. If you want the government to be able to step in and regulate something like only fans, which it currently does on the books, by the way, can I just point out the problem? When the government is,

is arbiting what's moral like that, then what happens when the next administration comes in and they say, hmm, any dude with a mic who is spewing stuff like Michael Knowles is, I think that that's immoral. I think that that is objectively immoral and I want to regulate dudes with microphones. There is a slippery slope that happens. You have just described how government works. Yes, that's

true. There is a, no, no. I am describing what happens when one government overreaches and tries to impose their morals and you have a slippery slope. Wait, so if you're saying this is how government works, why doesn't the Trump administration regulate and ban only fans like everyone in this room wants? Because they are not going to do that? Well, because the Supreme

Court weakened the obscenity laws, which have been on the book since the founding of the country, and they did that in the middle of the 20th century, which was terrible. So it's not how administrations work, because the Supreme Court is not allowing the administration to do it. George W. Bush prosecuted a pornographer for obscenity in 2008. One pornographer is different than banning an industry.

At the federal level. You want the government to ban an industry. When's the last time the government's banned an industry that has demand? What was the answer out there? Prostitute? Well, it depends in certain places. I was going to say it's still legal. When's the last time they have banned federally

some sort of demand market? Narcotics. Narcotics? Not, mm. I guess that. Marijuana, for that matter, at the federal level, not at the state level. I guess that works, but I just don't think that's comparable to only fans. Adam, wouldn't you say that all laws to some degree

have recourse to morality? Because we say, this is good and this is bad, and we need to be good to the asylum seekers, and we need to be good to the trans children or whatever. You're always making recourse to moral arguments. You just don't like it when we do it. No, I'm arguing. The thing about you, though, is that all of your positions are personal decisions and morals for you that you want to impose on me.

No, well, I think actually that statement that you just made, that's your personal opinion about how government should work. But I don't want you to impose that personal opinion about what I can do with my government on me. And I don't want you to decide, oh, all these women and men can't do only fancy. Well, I don't want you to decide that I can't decide that all those women and men can do only people. You can have that opinion, but you can't actually enforce that. And you can't have that opinion, too, but you can't make me listen to you when you say that I can't make the government ban only ban. The difference between you and I is I don't want to put anything in a legislation that stops people. And the difference to be something they want.

I don't want women to be trafficked for pornography. Who the fuck is being trafficked when they decide to do it themselves? You have to go to the page. Do the prostitutes on the street decide for themselves? I mean, depending on the chick, right? I don't know. I'm not on the street. Yeah, maybe. Let's talk to their pimps.

Let's see if they decide for themselves. I don't know. I agree. You agree. That the prostitutes decide for themselves? Yes. Okay, all right. All done.

The bachelor party took a bad turn. Okay, listen. Who was the VIP? Who is the VIP? I would say me. Thank you. That's where I appreciate that. No, I would say it's got to be Mr. Catholic Ball Cell, right?

I think Volsale gets it. Yeah, Val Cell gets it. Yeah. Well, so gets a cigar. Yeah. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations, Mr. Volso.

Okay, I feel, I feel terrible because you got your topic in. I got two of my topics in. Mr. Adam flew out here all the way from Chicago. Chicago. I was in New York last night. I got you out of Chicago in New York. Maybe you should thank me for that opportunity. Chicago's a nice city.

Come on, it's nice. Chicago is a great city. Chicago. Well, it is MAGA country. That's my favorite part about Chicago. You guys are being uncharitable when you say Chicago's not a nice city. It is a nice affordable city. Like, it's what?

I don't know. I don't know. Any city where I can walk around in the middle of the night and Nigerian white supremacist MAGA supporters can take my subway sandwich away. That is not a good city. That's a terrible city. I want to debate at least one of your topics. I don't want you going home without us talking about what you do. Do you want to choose or should they choose?

I want them to choose. Same thing they want tariffs. They want tariffs. Let's do tariffs. Oh, let's do tariffs. All right. There we go. We're doing tariffs.

What's your point? I can start off with a lot of people. points, but I guess I just want to start off with a question. Is that fair? Yes. When do you think Liberation Day tariffs went into effect? Well, it was a process, and they're still going into effect now. But they began in April of this year. The announcement happened in April of this year, but Trump does this weird thing where he makes tariff announcements, but he doesn't actually enact them for like two weeks to 90 days. And I think we can all agree with this fundamental idea that Trump's tariffs have been confusing. Trump's tariffs have been pushed back over and over,

But the reality is the Liberation Day tariffs, the most radical tariffs that he announced, didn't go into effect till August 7th because he put in a 90-day delay. August 7th was 14 days ago. So you guys are going to rest your whole claim on the fact that tariffs haven't caused inflation, but the tariffs just went into effect. But I also want to point out the fact that Trump's tariffs have no rhyme or reason. If you want to argue that we have trade imbalances in America, I wouldn't disagree. But that is not what Trump was remedying. How is remedying trade imbalances putting tariffs indiscriminately on every single country? Do you know what country has the highest tariffs right now?

Is it like Mauritius or something crazy? It's Brazil, but not even to rebalance trade because a Bolsonaro was being targeted. So what I'm making my point here is that Trump's tariffs have not been to intentionally or targeted help the economy. What they have been doing is a lever for him to, you know, help Bolsonaro to use corruption, a lever that has not helped the American people. Tariffs are inherently inflationary, which you'll agree. tariffs are inflationary. Not necessarily. Well, who...

They can be, but they're not necessarily. It goes down to the consumer. They largely are inflationary because at Customs and Border Patrol, that is when it's collected by American companies. So I just want to wrap this up. I think that Trump's tariff policy has been an unmitigated disaster.

It has been awful. So I agree with your points that that's confusing. I think that was intentional. I agree with your points that some of the measures for implementing them seem arbitrary. I also think that was intentional and effective. But I guess my question is, let's get specific here. You say they've been a disaster.

By what economic measures have they been disasters? There's a few. PPI just came out and showed that vegetables are up by 38% over the past month. Why do you think PPI went up? Why do you think PPI went up? There's a few reasons. It could be tariffs. It could be weather. PPI is the producer price index, which is how producers are counting what things cost and what they're selling to people.

But overall, why did it go up? Vegetables went up 38%, a combination of weather and tariffs. whether in tariffs, is there maybe a third possibility that's correlated with PPI going up? The fact that we just hit the highest stock market ever recorded in the month of August, which is correlated with higher PPI. You want to know why we hit the highest stock market? I don't even care why we did. I'm just pointing out.

That's why PPI went out. No, no. You can claim the highest stock market is impressive, but you know what's impressive to me? Trump took office and crashed the stock market on Liberation Day, and it didn't recover until he reversed the tariffs. So the only reason the market is up. You didn't reverse the tariffs. You just said the tariffs are being implemented.

He put a 90- In a capricious and- He put a 90-day pause, let me finish. He put a 90-day pause which confused people to such an extent that nobody believes him.

The stock market is hitting all-time highs at seven months into his presidency, which is not impressive. As the tariffs are being implemented, as you just admitted. Nobody believes him anymore. Not a single person believes

that Donald Trump is imposing tariffs that they will start. You didn't even know when they started. The guy who was saying I didn't know research. I told you they were being implemented successively and they began in April. I gave you the precise answer

is that. Did you say August? 7th? No, but they began to be implemented within weeks of the Endowment in April. You agree with my fundamental axiom that tariffs have been confusing intentionally. Had they yielded any results? Yes. What? Okay. Well, here are the results. Because there are three things that tariffs can do. Tariffs can raise revenue. Tariffs can get you better trade deals and tariffs can boost manufacturing. All of those things are contradictory. Yeah. Exactly. So this is what's so amazing. Because you make such a great point,

Adam. If you get the better trade deals, usually you don't get the revenue, you don't get the manufacturing. If you get the manufacturing, usually you don't get the trade deal. Rather, you don't get the revenue because it's not coming in. Right. Now, what's so strange about Trump's tariffs is that we have raised a lot of revenue. A hundred billion

dollars since April. Wait, why is the deficit still increasing in a massive rate? What the hell? The budget deficit? Yeah. Well, because we're only, as you point out, like two months into the tariffs. No, Trump claims that he's raised three trillion or something. Don't distract. Don't distract. Okay, go for it. $100 billion. in tariffs. That is more than twice. That's two and a half times the historic average. So we are

raising revenue at a huge clip. Then manufacturing activity, manufacturing activity, is it a three-year high? No, it is not. No, it is not. By this point in Biden's presidency, we had added 200,000 manufacturing jobs. We've lost 28,000 since Trump took office. Manufacturing activity today, August 2020. Nope. Is that it, it is. I mean, I don't know, look it up in the... Look it up. Manufacturing is dropped under drop. It's at a three-year high. So that means that it's signaling you're getting further growth. But the craziest thing is the trade deals have been insane. We just closed a deal with the European Union. We tariff their goods. They basically don't tariff our goods, and they're investing $600 billion in the country. So Trump managed to get all three objectives of tariffs

simultaneously, and the economy is an all-time high, and employment is full. There is no economic indicator that has gone down under Trump. It's all at highs. But I noticed that all the time the market is brought up when in reality, the average American, sometimes the stock market isn't what affects them. Like, not everyone's playing into the market. The average American... Can I ask you a question? I mean, the average American is not...

Most Americans have retirement accounts and pensions and that sort of thing. In that way, they... I want to be fair and reply to your EU point in just one second, but I want to ask you the question, when you cite this $100 billion raised, who is that raised from exactly? It's raised from the countries that were terrifying. That is not

true. So when you're saying goods are coming over, the border, customs and border protections is taxing the other country? Yes. That is not how it works. I'm a cigar manufacturer who makes my product in Nicaragua. I know a lot about tariffs and how they work. And unfortunately

for my industry, there's an 18% tariff in Nicaragua. But it's so, I mean, listen, I'm willing to eat it because we have a very successful product called Manklowers. Wait a minute. You just said Nicaragua was eating the cost. Are you implied that other countries were eating the cost when it hits CPP? Oh, but you're eating the cost? No, are you, you're asking me if a manufacturer in

another country has to bear that cost? Yes, of course. But I'm saying it's a manufacturer in the other country, which in the case of premium cigars is outside the United States. But you're eating the cost. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, but not everyone's going to eat that cost. A lot of it is going to go down to the consumer. I know. That's why you got to go to good companies like Mayflower. No, the entire point. This is the last chance. This is your last chance to win a free drink and a cigar. So you need to get to that microphone. We have someone up already. I would say the economic impact of the tariffs was priced in, I would say even before Liberation Day.

Americans know what they're getting into as far as this. That's what they voted for. Not all of us. And that's also why, as Michael stated, we are at all-time highs for S&P. And people, inflation is back to 2 to 3%, if I'm not mistaken, and people have more money back to their paychecks. The other thing is the terrorists had nothing to do with the amount of revenue that we were bringing in. It was more about the accountability for other countries. That's a nice distinction.

So you voted to have prices raised? I'm confused. Oh, we knew what we were getting into. So you voted to have prices raised. We voted for a president that wasn't going to fall asleep at the table with other. Oh, he's asleep. Yeah, he's just taking $400 million jets, doubling his net worth based off of crypto and deporting people.

Yeah, and I would give you that. I 100% agree with that. Can I ask you a question very, very quickly? You can claim that Donald Trump, it seems like you were trying to make the argument that he was rebalancing some of these deficits by holding countries accountable? I would say it's not about accounting for deficits. It's about accountability and how we look on the main stage. It has nothing to do with the revenue. It has nothing to do with the revenue.

In my humble opinion, the reason that he picked that is because it's so crazy. But you realize we look bat-shed insane when we're tariffing Switzerland who we had free trade with. We had free trade with Switzerland and we're tariffing them. We're tariffing Brazil. We're tariffing islands with nobody that lives there, but not Russia. So the point is, every time someone makes the- We have major sanctions on Russia, you know. But we don't have much trade at all with Russia.

We can at least play tariffs. Yeah. But the point that I'm trying to make is Donald Trump claims that he is intentionally and targeted, or people claim that he is trying to hold countries accountable in a targeted way. That's not what's happening. It is broad, sweeping tariffs that make no sense. That you admitted we're confusing.

And now you guys have to reverse engineer some sort of weird, cognitive... No, because look, you make this point about Europe. You're making the point about Switzerland, but let's talk about the European Union. You would say, well, this is crazy. These allies of ours, why are we smacking them with these insane tariffs and why this doesn't make sense? We need to just put even more sanctions on Russia or whatever.

But notice now, we have a great trade deal with the European Union. We're dealing with like a 15% tariff. We got 600 billion bucks from them to invest in our country. So obviously it was just a way to negotiate. And it also happens to raise revenue and boost manufacturing. Wait a minute. No, no, no, no. Those are ancillary events. Okay.

If you're negotiating to reshor manufacturing, then you can't be raising revenue off of tariffs because nobody's going to be importing anything. Yeah, that's what you'd think. It actually takes a very delicate balance to be able to serve all three interests. But he's done it. Trump is playing 40 chess right now with other countries.

No, it's just the numbers don't lie. Okay, next question. For years, the U.S. has been screwed over by China, Europe, South America. This isn't just about short term. We need to be looking at long term. We need to be looking at long term. We need to be looking at five years, 10 years, 20 years.

Since NAFTA, we have been screwed over. USA! You make a great point! You make a great point! Stop looking at the last two, three, four, five months. We need to be looking at five years, ten years, 20 years from now. These tariffs are setting a message that the U.S. will not be screwed over. Amazing.

Let me ask you a question. We need to rebalance trade and stop China from RISTAGERS. ripping us off. And Donald Trump is here to stand up for us. Let me ask you, what deal is he cut with China? We are done. What deal is he cut with China? We don't necessarily need to balance. This isn't about right now. This is about setting the future. This is about setting us up for five years, 10 years. No answer. What deal is he caught with China?

I'll give you an answer. I'll give you an answer. Because you're saying, well, we need to balance trade. No, no, no. My question is what deal has he set with China? Because you are saying that he set a deal with China. He has set two 90 day delays. You can't answer what a deal is. He can't answer what a deal is. He can't answer what. what a deal is. Nobody can't see what the deal is. I'm trying to answer it to you. Even on the delays, which are obviously strategic, the point of the, of setting the trade equilibrium as being the metric, is because it's so crazy and kind of impossible in certain cases. Obviously, what's he going after in China? China's trade issues with us for 25 years have been illegally subsidizing steel, manipulating their currency, stealing our IP, all of these things, right? Now, all of the previous

presidents, since we stupidly let China into the World Trade Organization, all of them went at that directly. They got results whatsoever. Trump comes in like a bull in a China shop, pun intended, and he does in the first term and he does in the second term. And he says, no, I'm going to pick this totally random metric, namely the trade deficits. And I'm going to start punching people around until we get better deals on all of people. Michael, I'm going to ask my question one more time. What deal did he get with China? What, what I, what specifically are you asking me? What deal did he? This person just came up to the mic and said Trump took office and is going to hold China accountable. All Trump has done is pussyfooted and delayed 90. times and you're sitting here stuttering. Because you can't...

Okay, then answer the deal. What deal is he caught with China? No, no, shut up. What deal is he caught with China? No, is your... But I think... No, listen, answer right now. But Adam, we've been addressing your point,

because you're saying he didn't get a deal quickly enough. He didn't get a deal in 30 days. There's no deal. What's his framework? But I... Right, but you're saying, I don't like... You're looking at this short term.

This is a long-term play. If your point is, Adam, well, Trump hasn't gotten this trade deal done within 30 or 60 or 90 days. I ask, where's Joe Biden's 200 days. Where's Barack Obama's great deal? Joe Biden didn't solve any of the underlying problems with Chinese trade.

Joe Biden put targeted tariffs on China. He didn't pet tariffs on the world like a retard. I'm sorry. He's not a retard. Stop talking. Donald Trump is very ableist language. I don't like that lowness is dead. Wokeness is dead, Michael. Woke is dead. That's true. Trump is a retard.

I am totally here. I'm so here for doing more American manufacturing, more exporting. I totally agree with that. But you guys know that Trump has all his shit made in China, right? Okay, I just want to point out the hypocrisy there. That's a calumny. He makes his stuff in America.

He actually does. He does. I have the hat. I got the hat in 2016. It's made the American. Who does that has a hat on right now? It is. It is great.

There are a lot of knockoffs, though. That's another way China is stealing our IP. They're stealing our MAGA hat. Can I point something out very quickly? Yeah. I got to have one topic tonight and it was tariffs. I think I just ran around the room on tariffs because you couldn't name a deal. You couldn't name a deal.

What are you talking about? And nobody could name anything. that Trump has accomplished. Hold on, hold on. Adam, Adam. You brought up tariffs, and I was happy to talk about it. You said it was a disaster

for the American people. You said it was confusing. I asked you to cite a specific economic measure by which it was a disaster. You couldn't. I cited every economic measure Oh, which is in all-time-mise.

I asked you to all right. I got you. Negative point-5. GDP contracted in the first quarter. PPI is going up. Electricity has gone up 10%. And all of that... Electricity has gone up.

That's the best you got. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a great. Have not come into place. yet. The tariffs have not even really started. So hold that. The tariffs have destroyed our economy, but they also haven't come into place yet.

When did I say the assured our economy? It's not even an unmitigated disaster, Michael. Okay, okay. So the tariffs which don't exist have been terrible. Now, who is the VIP of that round? I say the USA guy, right? Where is he? Which one like that? All right, there we go. There we go. Now, VIP

table. You blessed few. I have a question. Molly, you can relay this. Did we solve the world's problems? If not, if not, we didn't. If not, is there something you would like us to hash out in our final remaining moments before the music comes back on? As the Krispy Chicken Sandwich from 7-Eleven, people always call me loud. And I'm like, yeah, I know.

I'm crispy. Did you expect me to whisper? If you want quiet, go eat some soup and reflect. Like, I know I'm a handful. I'm bold, I'm juicy. Throw some pickles and barbecue sauce on me, and baby I'm a whole meal. And with seven rewards, I'm just $4. Quiet.

No. Crispy, saucy, and $4? Very. Only at 711. Valley 36, 2326, participating stores only while supplies last the app for full terms. So, okay, okay, Mr. Panel, you keep saying that Michael couldn't name a deal. He couldn't name a deal. Are you going to name a China deal?

Name it. No, I'm not going to try to do it. The trick is there's no deal yet. That's the big trick of the question. Okay, deals take time. Obviously. And in order to strike a deal, China's not going to do it because they're nice, okay? You need to put pressure on them.

You need them to bleed for a long, let me finish, for a long period of time, okay? And so my understanding is Trump's putting a tariff so they bleed for a long period of time. And then they come to the table and there's a negotiation. What else should he do? What can we add? President Mockler? What should Donald Trump add to the tariffs? Maybe some clarity to the tariffs.

When it comes to China, he has not gotten a single deal. And I guess there are ways to do this. You're just restating the question. What specifically, what would you make clear if you're going to add clarity? Okay. What Donald Trump does is he sets these arbitrary deadlines and pushes them back. When Donald Trump set that first 90-day deadline with China, no, no, totally evading the question.

Clarity with deadlines. I'm asking you right now, clarity with deadlines. He set a 90-day deadline with China. What did he do that at 90-day deadline? Wait, let me listen. What did he do that 90-day deadline? Trump has pushed deadlines. Now answer the question.

maybe not push deadlines and hold people accountable. He's pushed a deadline back and back and back. Okay, don't push deadlines, anything else? You can tariff the countries that China trades with to put pressure on them. There are so many ways to place pressure on China. What Donald Trump is doing is fucking around. He's not getting a single deal. But he is tariffing countries to China trades.

So you bleed China by tariffing the country surrounding them. He's already doing that. He's terrified in the whole world. He's tariffing Brazil more. But he's tariffing like literally every country on Earth. He's destroying our relationship. So he's already doing that. Is there anything that Trump is not doing

because you're so upset about his China policy? Is there anything he's not doing that you would do other than do it faster or whatever? Wait, can I ask you a quick question right here? Sure. You said that it takes time to do trade deals. Wasn't Trump's entire motto 90 deals in 90 days? I mean, that's what he said.

Why? Okay, wait, didn't he also say he'll end the Ukraine war on day one? Can I ask you guys in the crowd? Did he get 90 deals in 90 days? No. Did he end the war? No. This dude is a weak thing who does not know what to do.

Who else is trying to defend America? Who else is trying to tear off every country like a f***ing Donald Trump? You just advocated to terracing all those countries. Who else is trying to save America like Donald Trump? Who else is waking up to save America? No, let me say something. No, let me say something.

When you want to make a fucking deal with someone, you need to schmooze. You need to do this and that. You don't bully people in strong. man them. You need an ultimate. Adam's point, Adam's complaining that Trump is schmoozing and being too diplomatic and he's saying he's got to bully him more and I'm saying that he's perpetually pushing back

deadlines and he looks like a bitchy. You guys have a 90-day deadline. Okay, listen. You're agreeing with us and with the VIP tape. Can I ask you a question? Do you remember when Trump said there would be severe consequences on Vladimir Putin if they did not get a deal in Alaska? He said severe consequences. He left that meeting

and not only were there not severe consequences but Donald Trump has since adopted Putin's position. You see the same framework when it comes... What are you talking about? I will answer in one second. You see the same framework when it comes to tariffs. You asked me what I would do differently. I would add clarity and I would finish the deadlines.

He put a 90-day deadline on China. When we hit that 90 days, our president delayed it another 90 days. You can't say, I'd be clear and fast. Clear and fast about what? Then you say, I would tariff other countries. He's already doing that and you were complaining about it. So what was the other thing that you would do? I would not tariff all country.

I would just not even start with the tariffs. I would not start with the tariffs. You would not tariff anybody. But you would also tear up all the countries around China. Okay. I would do targeted tariffs against China like Trump did in his first administration. Okay. What Trump is doing is tearing up trade deals that he negotiated himself.

If your problem with Trump's second admin is you'd prefer the Trump first admin, that's a pretty good criticism. Can I answer your question about Putin? Can I answer your question about Putin? Sure. When Donald Trump went into this deal, went into this Alaska meeting, he was promising a ceasefire, right? He called, he asked for a ceasefire. He asked for a ceasefire. He said there would be severe consequences if there was no ceasefire.

Yeah, yeah. After he left, guys, it's a free country. It's a free country. After he left, what he did is he said, I don't want a ceasefire anymore. I want a peace deal. What that has allowed Putin to do is not negotiate for short-term peace. He has killed hundreds of civilians in Ukraine since Donald Trump said he doesn't want a ceasefire. What Donald Trump is doing is falling into the Putin framework of using negotiations to inevitably delay.

What Russia does? They're smart, dude. very, very smart. They delay. They kill people. So hold on. So hold on. Your issue with Trump convening a summit in Alaska, getting Putin there, then convening Zelensky and the European leaders three days later in the White House

to work on not just a ceasefire, but a broader peace deal. Your problem is you say, well, the war is going on three extra days and civilians are dying. I don't remember you saying any of that when Joe Biden was president encouraging the war to continue. I don't remember hearing that. He was encouraging the war to continue. He absolutely was encouraging war. He, Joe Biden

and unfortunately, not only the Democrats, but many squishes on the Republican Party were advocating for the war from a grand strategic standpoint because they said it was degrading the Russian military and it was a meat grinder in Ukraine. They were advocating for more deaths and for the war to go on.

And the only party that was calling for peace at all was the Republican Party. No, this is not peace. And the only president on whose watch Vladimir Putin is not further invaded a country in the last quarter century is Donald Trump. Let's be real here.

You all saw, maybe you all saw the whole meeting between Trump and Putin. Trump is Putin's bitch. He said, down and spoke before our president. I'm sorry. Well, it's so strange. I don't know because I don't know, Trump Trump has levied much tougher sanctions on

Vladimir Putin than Barack Obama or Joe Biden. That's kind of strange. No, he is not. He didn't. And he didn't lift sanctions. And his first term you're talking about, maybe. Are you're doing about his first term? And well, we're seven months into this term and he's calling... The only way to end this war is to make it such that Vladimir Putin is

facing such severe consequences that he will never reinvade. Russia has a strategy of launching an invasion. Then they pause that invasion, then they re-invade. They've done it with multiple countries. They did it in 2008, in 2014, in 2022. We cannot allow... You're right. They did it under Bush and Obama and Biden and not Trump. That's really weird, isn't it? I think I'll go with Trump's strategy. Wait, through Trump's four years, Crimea was occupied. Almost five years now. Yeah? No, I mean, the first four years, Crimea was occupied. Right, but he didn't further invade, is what I said. The thing is,

Russia has a strategy of launching an invasion, pausing that, then reinvading. We need a peace deal that make sure Russia cannot just reinvade. Listen, I agree. I thought the Obama doctrine as written by Jeffrey Goldberg in the Atlantic interviewing the president that said that Vladimir Putin could operate within his strategic sphere of influence. I agree. I thought that was terrible.

I agree as well, Michael. Is there one more question at the microphone? So, Michael, do you think that women should work only in the kitchens or pursue their careers? I think they can work in the living room, too. There are other rooms also that are even more enjoyable. Okay, folks, that's our show. I want to thank Sessie and Adam for being here.

I want to thank all of you for being here. Now, before we go, in my view, I'm very diplomatic, as you know, I'm a lover, not a fighter. I find nobody wins a bar fight. People only lose bar fight. So I want to know of the three people up here, who do you think lost the bar fight? And I will, I'm going to, hold on, they're yelling up for at him. Okay, so I'm going to, do you, what about, is it me? Thank you.

Totally not biased either Is it Sessie? I almost hesitate I almost hesitate I almost Was it Adam? Was it Adam? We put up a fight

We put up a fight All right well after that You have no You're wearing a wig, brother You're wearing a wig sister Oh and he took his off I can't even hear you bro I can't even hear you right now

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