The Michael Knowles Show - Michael Knowles MIC DROP Moments From BAR FIGHT Debates

Episode Date: December 13, 2025

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That's a federal crime. 42 U.S. Code Section 408. It's a federal crime to steal a social security number. You never found evidence linking him to 100, but even so. You never found evidence. The money went straight to his house. That's not true. Yeah.

That's not true. Was he a Republican? Was he a Democrat? He's a fucking psychopath. I don't want to embarrass you, Adam. That makes you look like a weirdo. You should have clapped. Okay, next question.

This question is for Zena. I'm assuming you're a supporter of Black Lives Matter? I do believe Black Lives Matter, yes. Okay, good, good. So, if you're in favor of protecting Black lives, where do you believe the most dangerous place in our country is right now for black children? That depends, probably at the hands of law enforcement. I think that would be like the worst place for a lot of black children to be.

Okay, so according to the CDC, 17 million black babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade. That's 35% of the current black population in America. Unfortunately. So if you really care about Black Lives Matter, wouldn't you want to protect the millions of babies that are being slaughtered by their parents? Yeah. So the only problem is when you're with your girlfriend and she needs to get a plan B,

we don't kind of charge her with murder, right? That's because fetuses don't have personhood. Who needs to get a plan B? It's an abortion drug. A lot of people. You don't need to. You can just have the kid. You could, or you can also engage in your rights and get a plan B.

Like a lot of Americans. You could kill your kid, but he's saying that's bad, and it's bad specifically for black people. Any women in here who have IUDs, you could be considered a murderer, according to Michael Nulse. No, IUDs are not necessarily abortive fashion in the way the plan B are. In many different cases, IUDs will actually remove... I don't support those eggs, but they're different than plant. The eggs from fertilize eggs from the uterus. From implantation.

Or implantation, you're right. And that would lead to a baby no longer being able to be conceived. So yes, that would be considered a murder of a human person, right? That would be equal to any of the lives in here, which isn't the case. If we had like 50 fetuses just like stacked up on this table and we took 50 people from the audience, Would you say like these lives are worth the same? Are these, are those lives the same? Yeah, I think all human life has equal dignity.

So if we said, okay, let's take Luke over here. If we said Luke or one fetus, like literally sitting, like on the table. Zeno, would you say? When do human beings? I like Luke. Come on, that's not nice. She didn't even ask the question yet. Which one would you, if you had to choose between saving the life of Luke or a fetus.

Or a fetus sat on this table. Which one would you choose? Zena, when do you believe that human beings get right? Okay, next question. That sums everything up. So I want to speak to your analogy. You said if in response to the ice agents coming into cities where the governors are saying they don't want them,

you said if someone came into your house uninvited, there would be consequences. So this country is our house, it's our home. So how would you feel about the consequences is for the people who are here illegally and uninvited. Great point. You know, right point.

I was just reading about, reading up on statistics on that today, and some of you are going to hate this, but it's factual. Immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, are less likely to commit crime than people who are born in this country. And statistically,

the more immigrants there are in a community, the less crime there is in that community per capita. Statistically, 100% of illegal immigrants have committed a crime. It's not quite, man. It's actually, it's factually true. It's a little complicated, Because if... Let's be clear about...

He just said they already committed a crime. I want to be clear. Being in the country, most people who are here without papers got here on like a tourist visa and overstayed. Most people who are here illegally did not... No, not. Hold on. Hold on.

I have a whole sentence that you're interrupting. Okay. But to be clear, that legally, being... If all you've done is been in this country without papers, that's legally more like a misdemeanor closer to a parking ticket than it is to a felony. That's a legal fact. So, hold on.

You make a very good point, which is that a first-time entry, barring other conditions can be a misdemeanor for sure. Reentry would be a felony. There are other associated crimes with this. However, I would ask one question. Do illegal aliens pay federal taxes? Yeah, actually, they do. They do. They do.

Cells and income tax often. 90 billion, I believe. Actually, the IRS is a whole system for people who are undocumented to file taxes. Okay, so I'm... And by the way, economists overwhelmingly believe that immigration, including illegal immigration, is a net positive. That's true. That's overwhelming. I have one question for you. Because if you make the point as you have that actually, you know, illegal aliens, even though they don't have social security numbers, they do pay federal taxes because, you know, to get employment, sometimes they'll use other social security numbers. So they don't get the benefits, but they do pay into the system. That's a fact. Yeah, okay. That's a federal crime. 42 U.S. Code Section 408. It's a federal crime to steal a social security number. So there you go. You got it. No, no. I just want to be clear. The IRS has a process for people to pay taxes without it.

It's stealing the social security number, which he just admitted is a crime. What happens here is money up to, violent crime versus paperwork. Okay, so now it's it. That is not the same. It's not that they don't commit crimes, it's that they don't commit violent crime. Who has not had a speeding ticket ever in this room? I don't know if it's quite a like a speed ticket. All right, well, I've had a few.

Live your life on the edge. A lot of good drivers out there. Should we throw you into a prison surrounded by alligators because of your speeding ticket? Also, fun fact, fun fact, more than 70% of people in ICE custody today don't even have an accusation of a crime, let alone a record. I think the accusation is that came into the country illegally. Okay. So, I mean, just be consistent.

I've been very consistent. Be consistent. I am being consistent. You are obvious, if you did it one story about Hunter Biden, you better be a hundred times as outrage at Trump going, getting the UAE to invest billions, make his world, literally financial billions in a business deal. And then immediately all of a sudden, he releases the restrictions on the AI chips that they really wanted, and which could then get into China's hands, because he was enriched, same thing

with the Binance guy, he ends up pardoning the guy after Binance makes a bunch of money for World Liberty Financial. That's brazen corruption, right? Yeah, I guess my point is on some of these, no, I don't, you know, on a lot of these financial dealings of Trump, a lot of it occurred during the interregnum, you know, the crypto thing occurred before he was brought in. No, no, not the UAE deal. I'm sorry, I thought you brought up crypto earlier. which is usually the one that most people point to. I'm saying, how could you justify someone giving benefits to either people through pardons or countries through restriction relief after that country or that person enriches his family

to the tune of billions? Yeah, listen, I think that President Trump has done a very good job, being an international businessman, leveraging relationships for the good of the United States. I think that's true. And what I also think... Wait, were you ever mad about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden? Yeah, I was mad that the Biden family sold American influence. And fired a Ukrainian official in order to enrich his son.

Yeah. I think those are different. Biden was, you never found evidence linking him to Hunter. But even so. You never found evidence. The money went straight to his house. That's not true. It did.

It did. A reimbursement of a loan. But after all of y'all made of that, a whole big scandal. And then Trump takes all over and there's no ambiguity. There's no. And his sons are going around the world, making a bunch of money for his family. And then he's trading favor. Listen, he has a very successful business and his sons are businessmen.

So, do you take back everything about Hunter? Certainly not. That was brazing corruption. Why? What's the difference? Here's the difference. Here's the difference. Eric and Donald Trump Jr. Someone in the crowd.

I love to hear you explain that. You're so mad and proud. You don't know what you're talking about. Here's the difference. Eric and Donald Trump Jr. have very longstanding business careers long before Donald Trump entered off. They don't have specific deals with people who need something from the government. They have new deals.

He doesn't want me to answer the question. He doesn't want me to answer the question. You don't know what I'm talking about. Trump, you know what I'm talking about. You know what? I can tell you the difference if you want. Wait, one second. You know what Trump's doing?

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oh, we need some people that probably, like, aren't Republicans in here. So we're in here now. If you're a Republican, no, hey, I even, I'm like kind of, way more small government leaning. So all this like, oh, like, fuck what the states want and fuck what the mayor wants. I'm just going to do what I want because I'm the White House is like kind of psycho to me, right? Like that's not, that's probably not going to foster like a healthy society when you have like the federal government really overstepping.

Coming from this side of things, I'm just kind of curious, why are you so set on making like left wing violence and right wing violence? Because like obviously sometimes people are fucking psychopaths, right? Like we're on the same page there. Like, there's people that like, oh, they grew up in a MAGA household. And then they, like, got addicted to porn on, like, 4chan. And they be, you know, they go psycho and they kill people. And it's so weird to watch, like, experts be like,

was he a Republican or was he a Democrat? I said, you know, he's a fucking psychopath. Like, like, I, I come. So I have my master's degree in psychology, right? That's why I don't care. And, like, I just think it's kind of stupid just to be really stupid. Okay, I agree. I mean, you have to have to, you what?

Yeah. So. It's just very reductive the way that we do this. Yeah, I think that's a great point. I think one thing that I will say is that if we looked at at some of the trends that are worth looking at, there is a real white male violence problem. Just about every time there's a shooting.

I know you, I know, look, I know, I know you don't like, I know you, I know you've decided that all comments that paint white men in a bad light is bad. Do we have to break out the crime statistics? Because I don't know if we want to break out the crimes. Every time there's a shooter, it's like, oh, surprise, surprise. It's another white guy who got radicalized online. We have a radicalization problem.

You think white guys are more likely to commit violent crime than other races or... No, I didn't say that. In mass shooting specifically, we have a radicalization problem with white men, yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, I guess one thought that I would have in response to your question is the reason why it matters if they're on the left and the right, some people are just psychotic and you can't identify an ideological motive. Sure, that's true. But sometimes you can. And it seems to me that if you want to fix a problem,

you have to first identify what the problem is. And so if you refuse, if you just bury your head in the sand, or if you say it's the other side, then you're not going to solve the problem. In all of the complexity of conversation, nobody has asked directly, what is capitalism? And can you explain the differences between Democrats and Republican thinking?

I want to go. Zina. This is my thing. Everybody. Everybody, capitalism is an economic system in which the means production are owned privately. Think of means production as factories, as land, as the things that we use to create, it's capital, right? The things that we use to create capital. These things, this means production are owned by a very small fuel.

Not many people own the means of production. Most of us are selling our labor. Like, for example, most of you guys have a nine to five that you go and you get a kind of a wage back, right, from capitalists, those who own means of. production. The problem is we assume that people who own the means production earned that somehow when really the people who did first acclaim the majority of these resources. It happened a long time ago and they kept passing it down generation, generation, generations. The problem

is people who first came here, they did a lot of bad stuff, they took a lot of land, and their ancestors still owned that land. They were heroes. They were heroes. They were heroes. The people who slaughtered and a bunch of people and then took all their land and then started profiting off of it and then also selling people's labor and their livelihoods for money. Those are heroes. Interesting point. The Indians started a lot of people, too, if we're being totally honest about it. Do we want to compare numbers? I don't think that it would look good, right? Well, we won the war. Yeah, you won the war by doing what, Michael?

Well, by settling the land and building a great country that you live in and that you prospered. By taking land that people were already living on, by killing them spreading diseases towards them, and also women. So yeah. Where did you get that from? That happened all the time. With that being said, that's what capitalism is. I have a question to your point, to you. Republicans and Democrats both support capitalism, right, of course. But capitalism is a system that is exceedingly failing as the gap between us and the 1% and people who own all this capital continues to increase, increase, increase.

What's going to happen, especially as AI comes along that continues to be able to do your job, is that 1% of the population is going to own all that AI that can do your jobs. And what happens then when they can create the labor and supply. for themselves. Where does your job go? Where does your job go? So you say that capitalism is where the means of production are owned privately. I agree with that. And you say that a very, very small number of people own the means of production.

So my question to you is, how many Americans invest in the stock market? How many Americans have the means to invest in the stock market? How many Americans have a capital to invest in the stock market? What's the answer? Majority of the Americans are broke. What is the answer? What is the answer? percentage of Americans invest in the stock market?

Not many because not many. 62%. So most Americans own the means of production. And how many Americans are profiting significantly from the stock market? Because we have the highest stock market ever under the stock market. That doesn't mean that everyone is profiting from the stock market. They are. Everyone is invested in. Most Americans are. Most Americans are. I understand what you're saying that it's self-inflicted because I think if a man

sees a problem, he shouldn't blame anybody else for it. He should do whatever he has to do to fix the problem. But what do you think? What do you think about the fact that an estimated 1.4 million women in America are on only fans, and most of them aren't making any money from it? So if you're in college,

if you're in college and you're trying to meet the person you're going to be with the rest of your life, what are you supposed to do when like 25% of the chicks are on there are showing their tits online for free? Free market, baby. Well, then that's not, okay, so then,

well, since they're out there and you know they're on only fans and that you already can write them off as the chick you don't want. So I guess they're exposing themselves so that you know that's not for me. I'm just saying it's like harder to catch a fish when you dump toxic waste in the pond is all I'm saying.

Hold on that. His other problem with it, your problem with it, right when you said the question was not that they're on only fans but that they're not making any money from it. That's the big, there's an argument if she's making a million dollars a month.

I mean, if they're doing it for no money, that's just stupid. But also there can't be a seller without a buyer. So maybe if men stop going on only fans, we wouldn't do it. The reason why Only Fans is popular is because a lot of lonely young men buy only fans. Yes, there can't be a seller without a buyer. But if there's nothing to buy, you can't buy it.

If there's nothing to buy, you can't buy it. I thought we liked free market capitalism in here. I thought if there was demand for something. Not unrestrained by a moral order. If there is demand. Wait, so you're okay? I don't worship Mammat. Are you okay with the government stepping in if there's a moral?

For sure. So is the government in your eyes, I don't really know much about your ideology. Is the government in your eyes the ultimate? arbiter of what's moral and what's not? No, there's an objective moral order that we can intuit because we're creatures of reason. OnlyFans is objectively bad in your eyes? Yeah, for sure. Not in my eyes, so it's not objective.

Yeah, I don't care. No, just because you're wrong about something doesn't mean it's not... That's convenient. That's convenient for you. No, no, listen, 2 plus 2 equals 4. You talk to a 3-year-old kid, he might think 2 plus 2 equals 5. That doesn't mean that we just throw our hands in the air and can't come to a conclusion. There's a creator economy and OnlyFans with not only millions or 1.4 million girls participating, but even more millions of men. So, all of these people in Europe,

are just complete moral degenerates who are wrong. Yeah, basically. But we all sin. What's your governmental prescription to stop that from happening? What's your prescription? Does the government step in and regulate only fans, stop men from buying that? That's not small government. That's more government.

So you want more government to step in. Yeah, I want a proper, limited government that pursues the common good. I'm not a libertarian, but I'm a conservative. But I want to ask the audience a quick question. Okay, for the guys in here, clap if you would want to see only fans completely go away. Okay, okay, wait. Okay, wait.

Now, now, Adam, you're not clapping. Now clap if you don't want it to go away. I don't get it. You don't have to watch it. Hold on. I don't want to embarrass you, Adam. But notice here, she said, do you want to see this disgusting pornography site go away? And clap if you want to do it.

And you didn't clap. That makes you look like a weirdo. You should have clap. You should have clapped. Can I just explain? Yes. I'm just rather agnostic. I think if there's supply and demand,

I think there's demand for an economy. You've got women being exploited, selling their bodies for sex. They're going to be washed out of it. They're going to have trouble getting jobs. No man's going to want. I'm like, I like Nick said. That's their personal decision, though. That's their personal decision.

I think it's valid. So are you their boss or their dad? Like, no, I'm a citizen and a self-governing Republic that makes laws to protect the common good. You have to go to their page to see it. You know what my question is? Yeah. If you want the government to be able to step in and regulate something like only

fans. Which it currently does on the books, by the way, because we have a question of the problem. When the government is orbiting what's moral like that, then what happens when the next administration comes in and they say, hmm, any dude with a mic who is spewing stuff like Michael Knowles is, I think that that's immoral.

I think that that is objectively immoral and I want to regulate dudes with microphones. There is a slippery slope that happens. You have just described how government works. Yes, that's true. There is a, no, no. I am describing what happens when one government overreaches and tries to impose their morals and you have a slippery slope. Wait, so, if you're saying this is how

works, why doesn't the Trump administration regulate and ban only fans like everyone in this room once? Because they are not going to do that. Well, because the Supreme Court weakened the obscenity laws, which have been on the book since the founding of the country, and they did that in the middle of the 20th century, which is terrible. So it's not how administrations work, because the Supreme Court is not allowing the administration to do it. George W. Bush prosecuted a pornographer for obscenity in 2008. One pornographer is different than banning an industry. At the federal level. You want the government to ban an industry. When is the last time the government's banned an industry that has demand? what was the answer out there?

Well, it depends in certain places. I was going to say it's still legal. When's the last time they have banned federally some sort of demand market? Narcotics. Narcotics? Not... Marijuana, for that matter, at the federal level,

not at the state level. I guess that works, but I just don't think that's comparable to only fans. Adam, wouldn't you say, Adam, wouldn't you say that all laws to some degree have recourse to morality? Because we say this is good and this is bad, and we need to be good to the asylum seekers,

and we need to be good to the trans children or whatever. You're always making recourse to moral arguments. You just don't like it when we do it. No, I'm arguing. The thing about you, though, is that all of your positions are personal decisions and morals for you that you want to impose on me. No, well, I think actually that statement that you just made,

that's your personal opinion about how government should work, but I don't want you to impose that personal opinion about what I can do with my government on me. And I don't want you, to decide, oh, all these women and men can't do only fans. Well, I don't want you to decide that I can't decide that all those women and men can do only people.

You can have that opinion, but you can't actually enforce that. And you can't have that opinion, too, but you can't make me listen to you when you say that I can't make the government ban only fans. That's not what I'm trying to do that. The difference between you and I is I don't want to put anything in the legislation that stops people from doing something they want. I don't want women to be trafficked for pornography. Who is being traffic when they decide to do it themselves? You have to go to the page.

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