The Michael Knowles Show - Racist, Sexy, or Just Good Jeans? Fiery DEBATE With Michael Knowles

Episode Date: July 31, 2025

Michael Knowles dives headfirst into the viral Sydney Sweeney American Eagle ad—joined by an all-star panel of outspoken women to ask the real question: Is it just jeans… or Nazi-level propaganda? Featuring: Melonie Mac – Gamer, firebrand, and fearless culture critic Emily Saves America – Patriotic powerhouse with a sharp eye for media spin Savanna Faith Stone – Commentator who’s not afraid to call it like it is Reagan Conrad – Host of The Comment Section and voice of Gen Z conservatism From modesty wars to marketing traps, this fiery YES or NO-style debate takes on the culture war’s hottest battleground: pants. Is this ad empowering—or exploitative? Clever branding—or creepy messaging?  - - - Today’s Sponsor: Hillsdale - Start learning today. Go to https://hillsdale.edu/knowles to sign up for over 40 free online courses. - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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She doesn't do OnlyFans. She's literally acting and she's making a bag doing products and sales. What about the soap? It's okay because she makes a bag. I know the soap is a little far. So we're only fans girls models now. What's a difference? If you can't differentiate that.

That's very stupid. You can. If you're an actress and you take off your clothes and you do pornography because you're an actress, you're still a prostitute. It's not pornography. She's not a prostitute. It is pornography. Doing sex scenes, doing nude sex scenes showing your body is naked is pornography. There is only one thing that people can talk about right now. It's not the wars. It's not the mass migration.

It's not the trade disputes. It's Sidney Sweeney and her good jeans. Is the good jeans commercial bad because it's Nazi? Is it good because it isn't woke? Is it bad because it's promiscuous and sultry? What is it? Men have strong opinions, so I've brought on a bunch of women to debate this topic. I'm joined by Melanie Mack, Emily Saves America, Savannah Stone, and Daily Wire's own Reagan

Conrad. Ladies, thank you for being here. wonderful to see all of you again. For those who have not yet seen the most effective commercial of the last 50 years, here is Sidney Sweeney selling American Apparel jeans.

Sydney Sweeney Hasbrokeen's. A 30-second commercial dominating international news for an entire week. The Libs don't like the commercial at all. Here is just a little smattering of what people are seeing on TV, the internet,

everywhere in between. And the tagline is Sidney Sweeney has great jeans. Now, in one ad, the blonde-haired blue-eyed actress talks about genes as in DNA being passed down from her parents. The play on words is being compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones. Jeans are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair color, personality and even eye color. My jeans are blue. Hey, American Eagle. now do black and brown women

because black and brown women also have great genes that they inherit from their parents did you know that? I don't think this was an accident. This was very intentional and it would not have mattered one bit if a person of color was in the room because this message was not intended for us. Oh, and it landed for its intended market.

Ladies, there are two issues here. One, is this a good commercial? Is this good? Is it bad? Should conservatives like it? Should we go by the jeans? But before that, is it Nazi? Emily. No, it's not Nazi. Yes, it's a good commercial.

It's actually one the only good mainstream commercials I've seen in quite a long time. You watch it and you're like, okay, I like this. She looks good. Maybe I'll go look at the store. But it's funny because, like, this brand is very mainstream. If you look at smaller brands, they do great marketing like this all the time. Look, I've been raised in the last five years on Jaguar ads. Okay, so I haven't seen a bubbly, cute girl in, I don't, 10 years probably at this point.

I've seen androgynous weirdos trying to sell me every product under the sun. So, yes, I admit there's something refreshing about it. Melanie? I think that it's obviously not a racist ad. That was a big reach, but I still don't support it. I don't support propping Sidney as some American conservative icon, especially when the longer version of the ad shows her dressing and putting the jeans on and her top is open while she has no bra or anything underneath.

So it's just, it's a liberal, not from the 90s in 2000s. It's definitely not conservative or anything to be celebrated. It's lustful. That's the intent. Sydney, Sweeney, in general, we know that she unapologetically promotes lustful content, pornographic type content. She did this Sasquatch ad selling her bathwater with bars of soap with holes in it so that men can use them as sex toys.

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Hold on, hold on. I was defend, I agree with that basically everything you've said, and that's been my take on it too. But I've been defending Sidney Sweeney as, yeah, she's, you know, she shows a little cleavage. but what with the soap? What did she do with soap? If that was it, I would be with you.

I don't care if like there's a girl that's, you know, where's a bikini at the beach or who's just pretty or shows a little cleavage. But that's not the case with Sidney Sweeney. In her history with movies, she's done pornographic type scenes, which is what's the difference between that and an only fan's model that she gets paid more than most of them? I mean, it's still promoting pornography.

There's been advertisements for more movies that she's doing. Oh, some lesbian scene with Sidney, Sweeney, and then you've got people who conservative influencers, oh, we're so back guys, yeah, we win. It's just like, clearly, the Sasquatch ad, she sold a limited quantity of bath soaps with her bath water, and there was a hole in the center of them because it was meant for degenerate men to use those bars of soap as a sex toy that had her bath water in it. It's degenerate, it's perverted. Hey, is the commercial in itself in an isolated way? bad. No, it could have been any other girl, but this isn't a conservative when propping Sydney

Sweeney in this way. You're destroying my view of Sydney Sweeney. I hadn't heard of the soap thing and then a threesome. What? Supposedly there's a movie coming out where she has a lesbian threesome in it. I'm not exactly sure all the details. I just remember headlines just all over the place on social media about that, about a year ago or something. But she definitely has done pornographic scenes in movies and stuff before. This is somebody who uses her sexuality to market herself. That's her thing. And it's like, that's not something that conservative should be, that's not somebody conservative should be celebrating. This isn't just some girl who's pretty and cute and just shows a little cleavage. This is actually somebody who really pivots into that.

Emily, you're rolling your eyes and sighing heavily. I take it you disagree. I just, this is like the, With takes like these, I'm just like, I'm, I assume conservatives are just obsessed with killing their own movement and losing the next election. And it's interesting to just watch. First of all, it's actually not that deep. It's literally a commercial. It's like every time we have a little bit of a win, it's people take it to the extreme. And then it's like, oh, this is why people hate us and we can't have anything. She's an actress.

She's not a porn star. She doesn't do only fans. She's literally acting and she's making a bag doing product. and sales. It's okay because you make some bags. So we're only fans, girls, models now? What's a difference? If you can't differentiate that,

that's very stupid. You can. If you're an actress and you take off your clothes and you do pornography because you're an actress, you're still a prostitute. It's not pornography. She's not a prostitute. Apparently you haven't risen up around.

It is pornography. Doing sex scenes, doing nude sex scenes showing your body. is naked is pornography. Okay, I disagree. Having sex on camera is pornography. You don't know how the industry works with those exact scenes. Hold on.

Now, listen, I haven't seen the scenes, and I don't intend to go see the scenes. But if she's going fully nude and she's doing sex scenes or something, doesn't Melanie kind have a point? Isn't that? It's like a little, silly's porn adjacent, isn't it? And then porn. And if you can't separate those things, that's a bigger issue. What's the difference?

If someone says, if someone says, I'm Hollywood. Hold on. If somebody says I'm a Hollywood actor or actress and I'm not a porn person and I'm just going to go do movies, but I'm going to do nude sex scenes that don't leave anything to the imagination, then what's the distinction between that and go into some CD setup and Chatsworth and filming a internet video? What's the distinction? Yeah. What's the distinction? Money, contracts, a room full of people, making sure you're safe. The fact that most of the time. It's film. It's like crazy. You guys are a daily wire. You know how film works. But porn is film. Porn is true. Porn is contracts and money and rooms full of people. You just said, well, now it's your own debate. You said a seedy room. She's not a cedey room. She's like an A-less actress now. This is just like a conservative talking point. That's just not happening. Casting couches in in Hollywood. That's totally, Hollywood's totally

wholesome. That's right. You don't think she's a little bit above that? Ladies, okay, hold on, hold on. Listen, we're getting too, we're being too harsh on Sydney before we bring in Savannah and Reagan. We might come back to being harsh on Sydney. You're really, Melanie, you're actually really coloring my view. I was more pro-Sidney before you started making these arguments. Savannah, your take. I mean, I don't think an ad for jeans is setting us back to 1930s Germany. And I also think that, you know, the radical left is so addicted to outrage, being outraged by absolutely everything. Listen, just from some personal experience. I grew up modeling. I don't do it anymore because it's so woke. But back in 2020 during the Biden administration,

I was told by my agent that I would never book the big jobs because they were so focused on diversity. And they didn't want a skinny brunette with blue eyes. And so now I think it's a win for the conservative movement. I mean, I personally want to see attractive people when I'm online shopping. Because whenever I went on Victoria Secret and it was all obese, unfortunate looking people,

That does not make me want to buy anything. That does not make me want to buy clothes because I can't look at a woman who's over 200 pounds and say, wow, that's going to look good on me as a petite woman. So yeah, I think I think that she's very sexual, but I also think that she's the next Marilyn Monroe. And the conservative movement is not going to win if we're constantly saying, oh, women can't be hot. They can't be attractive. I think the soap ad was a little far because she said something like little boys come in my bathtub or something weird like that. like that. What? How did I miss this? That's gross.

Well, when you've got a moral foundation and you, it's not about winning people over being right, you're right whether the whole world disagrees with you or not. We can't be promoting lust. That doesn't mean that it's okay for, that's not okay for women to be beautiful and attractive or that they have to be wearing burqas, but to say, oh, we're not going to win if we don't accept women owning their sexuality. I mean, these are old liberal talking points. It's not a in for conservatism if we're just pushing old liberal talking points. Here's somebody who clearly pivots on the sexual stuff. I just looked up, this is where it was from last year, where she and Anna de Armas agree on doing a threesome in a movie together. That was what was going on in the

articles about this lesbian threesome and all this stuff. Here's somebody who clearly pushes degenerate sinful ideologies. And hey, if you're not a Christian and you're just a conservative, without those Christian values, of course this stuff's going to be celebrated because it's all a matter of what am I attracted to? That's what I like. But conservatism, in my opinion, should be rooted in biblical values because you have nothing. You're basically unliberal if you don't have your foundation of biblical values. Reagan? It's a great question. You know, I think that there's this line of, is it a win because it's not woke? You know, because I think the second that something is not woke, we're excited, we're happy.

It's like, finally, we're not just being force fed, non-binary they, them. advertising jeans because obviously that's not effective. Obviously we want to see beautiful women, beautiful men, modeling things. Right? So that's kind of, I'm glad in that sense, it's a, it's a win, but then we have to look at it through a different lens. So I kind of switched. I first watched it and I was like, okay, you know, finally, she's hot. It's a cool car. Great. And then I saw the other ads. I think that one's kind of the, you know, the most tame out of all of them. This is a family show, Reagan. I try to keep it real wholesome. So you're right. The others get a little racier. They get a little racier. I think that that's an important thing to note.

Because if we're just watching the Shelby Mustang, it's hot, cool, whatever. But the other ones, you know, when it focuses down on her chest and then she goes, excuse me, eyes up here, that's, it's obviously there's more innuendo there. There's more sexual, you know, connotation. And I think that's important to note when we're talking about this. Is that a win for the conservative movement? Yes, we don't want to be prudes. We don't want to, you know, say, oh, well, we can't.

I get there, there's that balance we have to find. But there is that sense of, especially, you know, coming from a Christian, is that something that I think is a win for that movement. And I would say not a huge win. It's like we've gotten back to normal. That's a victory. But we don't want to go. into that degeneracy.

That obviously it's, you know, Sydney's not being crazy degenerate, but it's that line that we have to find and be very careful of. You know, I was just actually watching, literally this morning, Urban Decay just had a new advertisement.

I don't know if you guys have seen this yet, but it's a girl. I don't even know who Urban McKay is. Urban McKay is a makeup brand, okay? And so they just launched you. I don't know about the soap with the whole. I don't know about the recent movie. I don't know anything, apparently.

Michael, it's for the best that you don't, I haven't seen this. But this is a girl. She's an O.F. star. So her advertisement, sexual innuendo, same thing. It literally same cut of a shirt, same amount of cleavid showing, if we're getting specific because that's what we're talking about here. And she's talking to camera about, you know, by the makeup and don't be censored.

And there's this obviously innuendo again happening. And I watched that. And I was like, okay, if I'm going to celebrate the Sydney-Sweeney element of this, and I've watched the exact same thing. The difference is that this girl is an OF star. But what I'm visually looking at is very similar. And that may be feel even more of like, okay, this isn't a win. Because again, if we're talking about conservatives, the new, another woke thing would be celebrating OF stars because that's what Urban NK is doing. And they're like, see, look at this. And then you have the conservative celebrating that. So there's this weird balance we have to find. But again, woke, repackaged, rebranded. We have to be careful of that. And I think that's, look, I agree that it's better to have, like, beautiful women selling in cool cars selling products than some androgynous weirdo on Mars selling me a Jaguar. But, but, okay, that means we've rewound the clock.

to 1998. 1998 wasn't that great. I mean, it was a perfectly fine year, but is there, Emily, I guess this question is really for you. Are we as conservatives just trying to get back to the 90s, or is there something deeper that we're trying to conserve and restore? Now more people than ever can bring in their bill for a better deal at Verizon. Got AT&T or T-Mobile?

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Who's sanity? What does the sanity look like? We don't need to go back. No, normal American girls cannot rape. relate to a, like Savannah said, a 200-pound mixed race, one-armed woman, okay, when I'm buying makeup, when I'm buying skincare, when I'm buying clothing, I want them to look like someone I would either like to look like or maybe like me. It's just common sense. Like I'd, like we all agree we'd rather see Sidney than all these other people we've seen for years that have been shoved down our throat

because it's not relatable. And I also think it's positive to have girls looking up to girls that are like actually beautiful and also feminine. The women that have been pushed on us have been extremely masculine. They haven't been feminine. So I think it's a win-win. I think we should just promote good-looking people. Like I said, look, if I have to watch movies and TV shows and there's going to be sex scenes, I want to see attractive people and I want to see straight couples. I think that's normal and what most of America wants. And that's what we're sort of going back to. But when conservatives are having meltdowns in the same way liberals are having meltdowns about this, then it kind of just pushes us back a little bit further, I think. She's a sexual looking girl. She's got big tits. She's blessed.

Go let her do that. We don't know her in real life. She's probably just a normal girl. She's not representing conservative media. Okay. Just like let a win be a win. Melanie, are you having a breakdown like a liberal? I wouldn't say that. I think that Christians absolutely need to have standards, but this is just a matter of secular people in the conservative movement. They're going to disagree with Christians in the conservative movement. But with Christian values, I mean, we absolutely should be standing against this stuff. The over-sexualization is part of the slippery slope. That's why we got the trune.

That's why we got the gay stuff. That's trune is like transgender. I use a lot of legal. But that's why we get all of this stuff because it is a slippery slope. And it's just like, yeah, you want to say this is a wind? Well, Satan parades himself as an angel of light. Satan doesn't care if you're a liberal or you're a Republican. But what he does care is if you're celebrating degeneracy, if you're celebrating perversion.

And so, yeah, oh, things got so extreme at one point that now we're going to go back and we're going to accept this perversion. And that's okay because it's not as extreme as this perversion while you're still accepting something from Satan. Now, again, I don't think that all of those ads with Sidney were egregious. The one with her with a car, very tame. Not a huge deal. but they did get more sexual. And then again, I just don't like to see conservatives Hail Sidney as some sort of icon

just because liberals don't like her. We do have to have standards. Yeah, so the point you keep coming back to is, you know, a conservatism is either going to be Christian and go all the way and not be inciting lust and not appealing to the prurian interest and not just being this kind of like barstool boomer conservatism of like, you know, eating potato chips and howling at girls.

or it's going to be liberalism. And we're always going to be just trailing the liberals five years behind. Yep, that's exactly what it is. Conservatism will always just be liberals from five or ten years ago unless we go to our Christian roots, right? We don't have to take it any further than that. Keep it at your Christian foundation. If conservatism is not Christian, then it's not conservatism anymore.

Savannah, you're pretty trad. What do you make of Melanie's argument? I hate that word. Well, I mean, I'm Christian. And I think the two can exist at both times, right? Like maybe she's super over-sexualized. I mean, like Emily said, yeah, I mean, in every single movie, like her tits are out. But at the same time, I'm really glad to see an attractive blonde hair, blue-eyed woman back on ads

because we didn't have that for so long. For so long we had to deal with black queens and black is king and, you know, white people suck and go sit in your white privilege and cry about it. And I'm just glad that we have attractive people back on ads. So that's why it's a win in my book, regardless of if she's being over-sexualized, look, people are always going to over-sexualize certain celebrities. There's always going to be celebrities that take that to their advantage and they make a ton of money from it, no matter how much Christians try to stand up for it. So as Christians, yeah, we can say, look, part of the ad was a little bit over-sexualized. The camera down to her chest.

and then her saying, eyes up here, okay, maybe that was too much. But from a macro perspective, I am just glad that woke is dead and that we're seeing attractive people back in media and in ads. Yeah, but isn't this the point? So I like that Sidney Sweeney is quite beautiful. I like that they're putting her in ads rather than like these weirdo kind of mutilated eunuchs or something. That's great. She's appealing to sex in a normal way. So that's better than appealing to sex in an unnatural way.

Okay, I'm into that. But as conservatives, shouldn't we be promoting modesty? Or no? Or Emily is that, or am I just preaching like a church lady and I'm going to lose the culture if we don't show a little skin? No, I'm one of the few Republicans that I'm like, you guys don't have to label me as a conservative, but I'm not religious, which I think a lot more people relate to me than they relate to the people that are religious because I can see nuance. But I'm like, yeah, like,

we are, people are so sexualized now. We live in such a sexual society. The odds of us being able to ring that back, unfortunately, are very unlikely. I also think you can just be feminine and beautiful and at the same time sexy. And that's not lust. That's not sin. That is not the way I see it at all. I think it's awful because when I was liberal, when people shamed me and used terminology, like that, it pushed me more into being a liberal than just being like, hey, actually just be like beautiful, be yourself. Like you can wear sexy things without being sexual. And like I don't see her as an overly sexual girl. How can you wear sexy things without being, you can wear elegant things? You can wear beautiful things. But can you, you know, you're going out in a miniskirt with like a

crop top on. Isn't that lusting? I mean, like I wear a green low cut things. And because the way I look and also my weight and the way I carry myself, it's not extremely sexual. Whereas if you were to have big fake boobs pushed up with crazy hair and makeup, it looks different. I mean, that's also style and a bunch of different things that go along with that. But it's like, I don't think having to like suppress this makes any sense. It's better if we go along with it. And also like when you use Christianity for every single argument, a lot of the country is not Christians. They're immediately going to not listen to what you have to say. That's why I come at it from a very different perspective. We're still a majority Christian country, though, of different flavors of Christianity. And listen, even if there were only

one Christian in the country, I mean, if you think it's the truth, the truth is the truth regardless, even if you stand alone. I just wonder, look, as the only man on this panel, let me mansplain a little bit what's going on. I see an ad with, you know, wacky, gender bending people, and I find that repulsive. That's nauseating to me. So I am relieved when I see an ad with a beautiful person. And the fact that in this case, Sidney Sweeney is like shown a little skin or whatever is attractive. And so I get it. It'll probably sell more genes. But then for me, this creates another problem. Not that I'm nauseated like I was the first time. But now I find myself looking at the Sydney Sweeney ad, you know, maybe the less wholesome one. And maybe I do a little double take or a

triple take. All of a sudden, I got to have custody of my eyes and say, hey, I don't want to be thinking about Sidney Sweeney right now. I'm a married man. I'm trying to be virtuous. I don't want to in my thoughts and my words and what I do or fail to do. So what about that? Do we want to be getting the young guys or even the elderly 35-year-old guys like me, all lusty all the time? Well, I'm glad you can control yourself with all these sexual visuals going around. And I hope all men learn to control themselves because that is what separates us from animals. And I think that's a lot more important of people controlling themselves and being decent humans than this girl who has naturally great, fantastic.

But shouldn't women control themselves too and dress in a modest and respectable way? Women should control themselves. They shouldn't be trying to lead people to us. Well, Melanie? Yeah, women should control themselves. It's not just, oh, I'm going to act like a prostitute, and it's all the men's fault.

If they, you know, it's men can over-sexualize anything, even if there is modesty, and in that case, it is their fault. But it's the woman's fault if she is purposefully acting and dressing, and in a way to elicit lust. And let's not pretend like that isn't the case with Sidney Sweeney and what she does and what she's paid for.

So, yeah, that's a problem. And we should. And it's not even my concern about winning the culture war. My concern is standing for the truth, even if I'm the only person standing for the truth. So it doesn't matter of, oh, this is going to push more people away because they aren't Christians.

Well, my goal as a Christian is to share the Word of God with the world. The people who accept it are going to the people who don't, won't. but I'm going to stand for the truth and I'm going to stand for what's important, regardless of how many people will agree with me. That's great. Respect that.

As someone who is a commentator in the right-wing space, my goal is to win the culture war because that's how we win elections, and my goal is always going to be to win elections. That way, I don't have to listen to how Dylan Mulvaney is woman of the year for four years. No, but isn't, I think Melanie's point is that it would be a pure victory. I think Melanie's point is you can win, If you think that the way you win the culture war is by behaving like a liberal from the 90s or 2000s and saying, look, it's a new day and we can't go back to how conservative it used to be.

So we're going to win by promoting lusty sexuality and fornication and secularism and all the rest. Well, at that point, have you really won? Haven't you just won a pure victory for the people who were supposed to be your opponents? No, that's not what we're promoting. We're promoting a hot, blonde, white woman. the commercial is sexual, it crushed. They're what up, 20% in stocks. And yeah, that's a good start.

Well, there you go. She probably made them, what, a couple hundred million maybe? Yeah, in one day. Market cap went up $200 million. Okay, so all the liberals had to do was to get really extreme, and then they made conservatives become liberals from 20 years ago. So what's next? Next are they going to just push bestiality,

and we're going to see furries in every ad? And so now conservatives are going to embrace Dylan Mulvaney because at least it's a human. Is that what we're going to do? Reagan, is that what's going to happen? You know, I think we already know that sex sells. So there's nothing revolutionary here in the fact that this is, you know, they earned $300 million in a day, I think, like, of course, of course they did.

Now the question is, again, what is the conservative's job? Are we conserving what was 10, 15, frankly, 20, 30 years ago? Or are we trying to also, in addition to conserving what is good and right, also then try to be a beacon for something better, right? Create a better future. So would I want my daughters consuming that? Is that as if I'm trying to think like a conservative, I'm trying to think of a conservative, I'm trying to think of what is that future going to look like.

And frankly, I don't think that is an inherent way. And we have to find that balance. Like Emily was saying, you know, we don't want to be the prudes. We don't want to be the ones that just lose culture completely because we're unwilling to, you know, bend and grow. But at the same time, there are the biblical truths that are truths that I believe in that kind of over, not kind of. They do oversee that and finding that balance. I think that's the, especially as a conservative Christian, that's that balance we have to find. But I go back to that ad.

And again, I go back then to the OF Star that did the exact very similar ad, days before. And I look at those two. There's something, there's other things besides, again, just winning woke that we have to talk about. And we know that another issue within wokeism is O-F and is promiscuity. And that they're pushing, they're force-feeding us that as well in addition to the non-binary. So we win the non-binaries. We have to still win the OF and get that gone. And so I think there's two conversations that can be had. This is my question, I guess. I think I'd become a prude over time. I don't know. I mean, you know, prudence is the chief political virtue. So maybe it's not so bad to be. approved. But the question is, what are we aiming at? Like your point, Emily, you say, look, I want to win elections. And I'm with you. The winners go to Washington. The losers go home. We got to win. You don't win by losing politics often leads culture. Culture can be downstream of politics. I'm all for that. For what? For what? What are we doing? What are we after? What's the, what are we trying to win? I think we're trying to win everything across the board. I think we're trying to have.

What's it look like when we win? again. I mean, it will, like, the past four years have been insane. I mean, when it comes to Sydney, Sweeney, like I have talked about, and I'm not scared to talk about it, the, like, anti-white hate against the country, the way, like, if you're a blonde, white, beautiful women, apparently all of us come from money and we've never suffered through anything, and we deserve to be taken out of everything, movies, commercials, we're not allowed to have anyone represent us, and we're just awful people, and we deserve bad things to happen to us. I mean, I want all of this gone. That's why I'm like, if we can see ads.

like this and see beautiful white women in movies and models who actually should have jobs modeling. Like not everything's supposed to be inclusive. And I think we can get back to more of a normal place. And I think that's better for young girls to grow up. I'd rather my daughter looking at Sidney Sweeney in a commercial than freaking Dylan Mulvaney. Sorry. But also I just want things to be normal. Both white. In fairness, but Dylan Mulvies are. And also just to jump in there. I don't think those are those aren't the only two options though. You know, too. I think there's exactly. But that's not the only two options. But that's but you're presenting them as two options.

And what I'm trying to say is that there can also be elegance. And we can make that cool again if we're using the phrases. I mean, we absolutely can. Emily's an elegance douter. Bring in Sharia law. It's fine.

Absolutely not. Completely different things. Completely different. I'm not calling for a full burqa, but a tasteful a bias, it's not the worst thing. It's all left is hyperbole. It's like, oh, if you want to agree with me,

then oh, we're bringing surreelaw. It's like, oh, let's go to the extremes when that's not what we're, saying at all. Because you're talking about being sexual. It's like, well, a man could think you with your chest and shoulders out is sexual. So as a good Christian, why don't you cover yourself then? Like, why do you have tattoos as a Christian?

Like, all these things. Like, there's so much room for nuance, but you don't leave any. I'm the one in the space leaving that. Well, this isn't a nuanced thing. This Sydney-Sweeney discussion isn't a nuanced thing. This is somebody who actually sells sex toy soaps. If it's just like, oh, okay, you have a problem with my tattoos, you have a problem with my dress.

okay, that's a discussion I'm willing to have with you, but this is a more nuanced situation than somebody advertising sex soaps. Yeah, and also, again, I'm just saying to believe that we can't do even better than Sidney with her tits out is, that's not true for society. And I'm saying that we can do better than that too in the future. Like, we can get there. And that doesn't mean Sharia law by any means. It means not that at all, but we can still do better. That's all. Are not clicking these days. That's okay. Savannah, you're the most covered up person on this panel. I don't see even a square inch of your shoulders. Do you think that these calls for modesty are going to herald Sharia law? I mean, listen, I think modesty is really subjective in today's day and age.

Somebody could look at me wearing a tank top just because my shoulders are out and say, well, that's not modest. But then I could ask my husband, hey, do you think this is modest enough? And he could say, yeah, I mean, all that's out is your shoulders. But I mean, people comment all the time. If I'm wearing a tank top, they say that I'm not covered up enough as a Christian. So I think it's a heart posture when it comes to modesty. If I am purposely dressing and thinking in my head, okay, all of these men are

going to lust after me when I go out and they're all going to think that my tits look good and whatever, then that would be a problem because that's a heart posture. But people are going to sexualize everything. You could be someone who just post a video of you talking with your face on Instagram. And if you're an attractive woman, you're going to get sexualized. Or an attractive man. Yeah. But listen, I think. Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing? I think there's too much outrage on both sides. I mean, it's, it's, we have such bigger issues to talk about than a Sydney Sweeney ad. All I'm saying is that I'm glad that white beautiful women are back in ads because I personally dealt with it. I have so many friends who are models who lost jobs,

who pretty much lost their career from 2020 to 2024 because they were not getting booked for things because they had blonde hair, blue eyes, and they were white and petite. So look, it's a win in that way. Um, the outrage. on both sides. We're addicted to outrage. It's a dopamine hit. And it's just a dumb thing to get mad about, in my opinion. Listen, I'm going to synthesize all of these points. I think the Sydney Sweeney ad is a step in the right direction. I welcome Sidney Sweeney to become a great card-carrying member of the American right, especially if she sticks with the first ad and not, maybe not with the later ads, you know, because modesty is all right. And there are a lot of reasons to criticize Muslims,

but the tasteful headscarves are not one of them. Ladies, thank you so much for coming on. Wonderful to see all of you again. Very interesting. This is Melanie and Reagan, really, versus Emily and Savannah. And me, I don't know where am I. I don't know. I don't know.

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