The Michael Knowles Show - The Conversation Ep. 23 Michael Knowles

Episode Date: August 28, 2019

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And we're going to do it live. Hey, everyone. I'm Elisha Krause. Host of this episode of The Conversation. With me is Michael Knowles. We'll be taking your questions live for an entire hour here on the conversation. All right, it's good to be back, but I need to remind everybody because I've been out for a few weeks. It's been a little while.

They should know that only subscribers get to ask the questions. I'm not pregnant anymore, so I'm going to have some of this now. Hang on. As good as you remember it. As good as I remember it. By the way, hopefully that will make Michael more interesting in his answers. Yeah, well, it's going to get more and more interesting as the show goes on. It's a two-finger.

Is that what that's called? Yeah, something like that. All righty. So when Michael answers your questions, he's only going to be taking them from subscribers who get to ask those questions. You're not a subscriber? Don't worry. It's never too late. Head on over to dailywire.com right now.

Click on the link in the video description. And if you want to ask a question or become a DailyWire subscriber, you can do so right there. And be sure to tune in for next month's episode. We don't have a date on that yet, but it's going to be with our editor-in-chief, New York Times bestselling author, my brother from another mother, you know, racist, bigoted homophobe, Ben Shapiro. That Nazi, yeah, right. The right Nazi, Ben Shapiro.

What have you been dubbed? Well, I'm very pleased because Southern Poverty Law Center said that of all the Prager videos, mine was the most egregious. So I got most egregious, and also that I'm a bigoted cesspool of hate. So that's not bad. It's not quite Nazi, but it's not bad. bad. If they only knew that the Daily Wire Office is really a cesspool of hate towards you. That's right. Yeah, that's right. I am the recipient of the cesspool of hate. That's right.

I'm the victim here. You are the minority. They never give me any of my grievance. That's too bad. It's good to be back. We got some great questions. It was really fun to see everybody at backstage live. How fun was that. I've been getting tons of messages from people. There are people that flew in from Puerto Rico, Canada, yeah. Like Central America. South Africa. Someone flew in from South Africa to California for the back page lot. To see you? To see a little old, it was, I don't know, it was probably like Drew or somebody, right? But still, I was there also. It was tons of fun. It was a great crowd. We got to do more live things like that because the audience is so much fun to be around. It was terrific. But we also love doing these for you guys and talking to our

streaming audience who are equally as awesome. Let's get to this question from Danny, a terrific daily wire subscriber. His question is, in the 2024 election, assuming that Ben doesn't run, TBD, who do you think has a better chance of getting the Republican not? nomination. Oh, one can hope. Dan Crenshaw or Ted Cruz or someone else. And why? I'm going to be very careful in my answer because I know and like both of those guys very much. They would both be terrific candidates. I did a commercial. I did two commercials actually for Ted Cruz. I supported him in the 2016 primaries. I really like Dan Crenshaw. I think he's a terrific guy too. I suspect we just don't know yet. I'm not saying it won't be one of those two guys. I'm not saying either of those guys are going to run.

it's just if you had asked years and years out, five years out, so in 2011, would you have said Donald Trump is going to be the nominee in 2016? I don't think so. I don't think you would have been able to do that. Could you even have said that about Mitt Romney in 2012? Could you have said that about John McCain in 2008? I just don't think so. We are way too far out. Politics does not stay eternal in the abstract forever. Circumstances change. Look, depending on how the economy does, we could have a very different situation in 2020. one than we were looking at right now. So there's just no way to tell. But I love Cruz and I love Crenshaw. So I think those guys should both take it seriously. Danny, I can't believe you forgot

my girl and Ben's spirit animal, Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley is obviously a real contender too. That'd be, she'd been an incredible, to be in that mix. Yeah, absolutely. I think that really, we can always tout that the Republicans are going to have a better lineup than the zoo of people on the left right now. Other than Eric Swalwell, because he's all of us. He's every single one of us. He's you and me. So actually, the one who's going to win the 20-24 nominations. for the GOP, guaranteed to be Eric's Wall. Okay. Margo says, Michael, are you writing a real book with words in it?

I have to tell you something. I am. I haven't talked too much about it yet, and I'll, once we got something together, we'll release it. Writing a book with words is much, much harder than writing a book without words, though I put much more research into my book without words than I put into my book with words. It's actually a lot of fun, though. I really do enjoy writing even when I have to use words. It helps you focus your thoughts.

And so I've had a good time writing it. Hopefully I'll be able to crank this book out, you know, before I'm 85. You know that the Charlie Brown teacher noise is not, it doesn't equal real words. That's not a word. That won't want, want, want, want, want. You can't have a whole book of that. Yeah, what is that? No, I'm writing like a Dadaist manifesto.

So it'll really, I've gone from no words to just kind of nonsense words. Okay. Yeah. So look out for that. Like toddler speak. Mm-hmm. It will be really big with my two-year-old then. Ethan wants to know, often conservatism is defined by the beliefs of Judeo-Christian values.

Ben's book, of course, The Right Side of History talks about that a lot. However, there are many places where the two don't agree. What's, in your opinion, the balance of Jewish values to Christian values? Oh, you mean that there's a difference between Judaism and Christianity rather than between Judeo-Christian values and conservatism. Yes, of course. There's a big difference between Judaism and Christianity, namely an old Jewish fellow by the name of Jesus. So that would be one difference. As that pertains to politics, you'd have to give me a more specific example.

I guess the big theological difference would be that of grace, that of unmerited grace, your savior coming down because you cannot redeem yourself, you cannot atone for your own sins, the world is hopelessly broken unless you have hope in a true savior named Christ who comes down, conquers death on the cross, rises again on the third day, and redeems mankind. Obviously, Judaism doesn't have Jesus, and so you see other political values that come out of that. Different focuses on mercy rather than on justice or different visions of justice. Those would be significant differences in those two things.

I don't even really use the phrase Judeo-Christian so much, though because we're talking about two different religions, but Christians view Christianity as the fulfillment of Judaism. So I think it's important to also mention those shared values. And when it comes to politics, those are the values that undergird our country. You know, we're not a Buddhist country. We're not a Hindu country. We're a country that was founded on Christianity. And Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.

So the phrase Judeo-Christian really talks about something real. Without that, of course, there is no West. There is no America. There are no American values. So I think politically the reason people don't talk about the difference, very much is, it just doesn't have very much bearing on the country. Or the major other than the Messiah, who we believe is the Messiah, that there aren't enough glaring differences is what you're saying.

You'd have to get kind of indigrity. You wouldn't say like the Hindu Christian values because those are just simply utterly different visions of the world, whereas Christianity is Judaism, you know, in fleshed. Christ comes down as the Jewish Messiah. So I think that would be the, those would be the differences. But if you look through all of Western literature, if you want to see those differences be compared in different views of grace and mercy and justice,

that's a huge portion of the conversation that you see happening throughout the Western canon. All right, and this is the conversation. In case you just tuned in, I am Elisha Krause, and this is our guest this month, Michael Knowles. Next month is Ben Shapiro. Let's keep rolling through these and give our subscribers their money's worth.

I mean, unless they have the leftist to her Tumblr, and that to me is totally worth it anyway. But Andrew says, Do you have any tips or advice for new college students starting school this month? I do. Depending on what you're majoring in, either engage in all of these political ideas and be out there and do exactly what I did and really refine your political views in public, in conversation, or if you want to get a job, keep your head down. Because there's a vindictive climate right now, both at the academy and in corporate America. And what you say and what you do will have consequences.

I don't think I got knocked on too many grades because I was out about my political views, but it does happen and it happened to me very little bit on occasion. And if you want to apply for certain jobs, if you want to go into certain fields, you might have to be a little quieter about it. What I would focus on is studying the real things. Don't study ethnicity studies, don't study feminist studies, don't study studies, studies, and all this different studies is I would study history, English, math, foreign languages, classics, philosophy.

philosophy, study the real subjects, the real sturdy subjects. Get a liberal education if you're at a liberal arts school. If you're going into a more professional school studying business, fine, go and do that. But I would study those real things, the more fattish ideological disciplines that are coming up are really useless. And statistically, you're probably likely to be going into debt if you're going to college right now. So make sure you get an education that's worth something.

Doesn't mean it has to train you for a job. Liberal education is not supposed to train you. you for a job, but you should be getting something for those years of your life and for all that money that you're going to be putting into it. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. I mean, even community colleges are insanely expensive now. Yeah, I can be. This is a very important question. Samantha's curious to know. How is your fish doing? That's an excellent question. I have this character in the Daily Wire world, which is my pet fish. Which no one from our office is running, by the way. Yeah, at first I assumed someone was, no,

no one from social media is running that. It's one of my favorite. It's, it's one of my favorite accounts on Twitter, and so I, you know, I haven't checked in with my petfish in a while. And just as a rule, if you ever catch me speaking to my petfish anytime in my, just call in the insane asylum, have them lock me up in a straight jacket, because it's fine, I've overdosed on cofefe at that point. It's too much, and you've got to wheel me out of there in a gurney. I also have Elisha Krause's cow, like I have a cow, and so it must be, this is like really deep and behind the scenes. This has to be somebody, and they're all different people. I have confirmed that it's not Daily Wire Staffers,

and they're all different fans from all over the country, but this fan has to have known, like, listen to the morning answer back when Ben and I were on because I would talk about how we'd name our family cows back in Oklahoma after Jane Austen characters. Wow, that's a deep cut. It's real deep cut. So the Michael Nolz-Fish, where the heck did it come from?

Was that a deep cut, too? Is that like an early episode of your podcast? No, I think it's because I've used this flippant line sometimes, So, you know, when people want to bring up totally irrelevant information, I'll tell them, like, for instance, you know, let's say people write to me to ask for relationship advice. They'll say, Michael, I'm a young man. Not the guy to be asking for relationships. I know. They'll say, Michael, I'm single. I'm, I really like this girl, you know, I asked her out, but she said she has a boyfriend. Yes.

So what should I say to her? I said, well, you should tell her that you have a pet goldfish if we're talking about things that don't matter at all, and then you should go take her out for a drink. This, I think, is the origin of my pet fish. Although, you know, one can never be sure of your imaginary pets on the minute. Can my pet fish please tweet or your pet fish tweet my cow to let us know where this deep cut came from? And it is a good Twitter follow, for sure, much better than Michael. All right, Ezra says, Michael, who do you think will be the Democratic candidate? This is one of the questions I think that we covered it backstage last week. It will, you know, every day, I guess it could change, though it does seem to be going in the direction of Liz Warren.

A lot of us called that Joe Biden was a weak candidate for a few reasons. One, he doesn't have all of his marbles. He's losing it. He's going senile. I don't even mean that just to throw bombs. I mean, the guy can't string a sentence together. He runs out of steam at all of these debates. Two, he didn't have many marbles to begin with.

He's always been kind of a dupist. You know, he dropped out in the late 80s because he lied about his law school record. He plagiarized a speech. Then in the 2008, he ran and no one cared. And he only became vice president because Obama really, really, really didn't like Hillary Clinton. He didn't really do anything when he was in the Senate. He passed one bill, which was pretty good, the crime bill. Now he has to run away from that. He's just kind of like... He's thrown away from a lot of the stuff that he did when he was in the Senate.

Yes, he's kind of like nothing. And so Kamala Harris has been weak. I thought she had a really good chance. She's just not good at retail politics. She's not likable. She too is running away from her record as a prosecutor. Yeah. So if you're not, if you're going to run away from the only thing you've ever done, why would someone vote for you? It seems like by default, now, Liz Warren seems to be the one surging. New Monmouth poll just out today. Shows that. Shows the Biden's down 13 points, according to that poll.

So things are really not looking good for him. It's hard to see how he turns it around. Whereas Liz Warren, she's unlikable. She's got that horrific voice. She lied about her ethnicity for 30 years. But she's got a hoo-ha, and they want a woman in the White House. So if Kamala ain't going to cut it, she's a little more interesting than Kirsten. Oh, yes.

That's what they do. It's all identity politics. True. And Warren is really smart, is the other, people should not underestimate her intelligence. Ben has said this because she was a professor when he was at Harvard Law. That's right. Harvard Law professor, I mean, she's really sharp. She's sharp enough to steal all of Bernie's plans for everything. And she doesn't make as many mistakes as some of the other candidates. So, you know, if I were a gambling man right now, I think my money would probably be on her. I have to say about Kamala, too. I think that she does well in the bubble that is California politics. Yeah. But she doesn't have that appeal outside of those, you know, outside of our borders. I think, you know, if she ran on her career as a prosecutor, I think she's also very smart.

I think she's willing to do anything to get ahead. Let's leave it at that. And I think she's, you know, she checks all the intersectional boxes. So I think she could have been a good candidate. She's just so terrible in person that she's allowed Liz Warren to jump ahead of her. Boring meets boring. And somehow one came out on top. That's right.

All right. We'll have to see what happens. Itan wants to know, would you consider visiting Israel in the future, probably, or possibly as part of a speaking tour? I would absolutely love to, though. I don't want to go with Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar. I want to avoid that. Yeah, I don't want to go with Mifta.

I don't want any part of that. But I would love to go to Israel. It's a great dream of mine. Have you never been? I've never been. I would love to visit the Holy Land. And, yeah, the first chance that that slave driver, Shapiro lets me out of my broom closet, I would really be delighted to make it over there.

It's certainly on my list of, toward the top of my list of places I want to go visit. All right. Arun says, Dear Dr. Coffefe, what Western philosophers do you think should be taught in public school and who should be booted to make room for them? I don't think any philosophy is taught in public school. I don't know what public school you're going to, but good job. I had one excellent teacher in high school who taught an elective philosophy course. Wow. But that was the exception.

Yeah, public school. Wow. He was the exception, not the rule. Okay. If you only had to do one or two, if that was all you could fit in, it certainly would be Aristotle or Plato. I mean, just if you could teach... The basics? Right.

If you could teach Aristotle and Plato, that would so correct some of the, many of the academic problems that you see. There are many other philosophers who should be taught, or theologians as well, or people who kind of blur the line like St. Thomas Aquinas. That would be great to do that. We tend to have this focus on the Enlightenment philosophers. just in America and in this world. But I think that's kind of a mistake. There are other great philosophers dating back to antiquity, and we should probably read them.

We should also probably read the ancient historians, like Thucydides. I think that would correct a lot of educational problems. And then most importantly, we should read the Bible in school. This is not my theocratic fascism, like some of the leftists want to call it. You Bible thumper. I'm not a Bible thumper. It's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's the most important book that has ever been written.

and it singularly shaped Western civilization. And the whole rest of the Western canon that you read after that makes no sense. Like none of it makes any sense if you are not biblically literate. So the fact that we don't teach the Bible in school because of some stupid Supreme Court decision 50 years ago to appease some aggrieved atheists is just absurd. I mean, it is not possible to have a serious education

if you haven't read the Bible. And so even before the Philoilever philosophers, I would say, we need to get some biblical literacy back in schools as well. So here's a follow-up question of that. Would you say that the average American that might be middle class and just work a nine to five job every day should read all the things that you said? Or do you think because you and Andrew Claven have defended, you know, when Jeremy and I are kind of like anti-college. Yeah, well, I'm pro-liberal education. A lot of colleges screw that up. And you're very pro-liberal education. Drew talks about this a lot. Of course, he spent a lot of time, you know, at Oxford and in England and has a love for old history and all that stuff. Do you think that that's something that is only for the,

I guess, the elite educated people? Or do you think that is the philosophy for everyone? Well, college is not for everyone. And these days, it's probably for no one. But in 1940, 1945, I think we had about 5% of Americans graduated from a four-year college. Now, 60% of high school seniors are going to go on to a college. Many of them won't graduate.

They'll go into debt and not graduate. But I don't think that liberal education is necessary or a four-year liberal arts college is necessary for everyone. I suspect there were a whole lot of farmers in the 19th century who knew a whole lot more about our Western tradition than graduates of Yale, Harvard, Stanford today. And the reason for that, there was a study from ISI, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2007, so it's almost certainly gotten worse, and it showed that seniors graduating from the best colleges in the country, or at least the elite colleges, knew less about their history and their civics and their

government than the freshmen who were coming in. They somehow became more ignorant during their time in college. So I don't think that everyone should go to college. I think many fewer people should go to four-year liberal arts colleges. However, many more people should have a liberal education. That begins not only when you're five years old in kindergarten through high school, that should begin in the nursery. That should begin with your parents, reading you the Bible, reading you great poems, or

reading you even mediocre poems, but educating you, playing you music, opening you up to culture. I was in a room with my priest in New York on his birthday party. And at the end of the night, we're playing a Chopin nocturne. There were five or six of us there. It was so beautiful. And somebody in the room mentioned said, there are many people on the street who don't even know that this exists. That's not snobbery to say that. It's to say, what a beautiful thing that we're experiencing.

And this has been denied. Many people in the country. Everyone should be exposed to that kind of culture. Everyone should be exposed to that kind of education in the true sense of the word. And ironically, these days, the formal process of the four-year colleges with the brand name, in many cases, are actually undercutting that educational mission. All right. Laurel, one of our favorite subscribers. Good to see you last week.

Laurel. It says, hey, Michael, if I were to sew you a bow tie, what are some ideas of the colors and designs that you would like? Oh, Laurel. I so would appreciate that because I love bow ties. Tomorrow is actually National Bowtie Day. Are you going to rock one on the podcast? My hopes, only if I can decide which one to wear. I've long loved bow ties.

If it's good enough for Winston Churchill, it's good enough for me. But I am woefully ignorant when it comes to matters of style, particularly. She should ask Jess. I actually, especially when it comes to sartorial style, I defer to you, Laurel. Any bow tie that you make me, I will wear with great pleasure and joy and honor. I feel like it should be a leftist-tears one. You could do that. Right?

There are many a stogie bow tie. I don't know. There are many options. Oh, cigar would be cool, a little whiskey glasses or something. There are these people, like on Etsy and stuff, that make really fantastic prints that people can then use. Oh, yeah. They ain't cheap. I actually would push back against this a little bit, though, because today, the reason I don't wear bow ties very much, a lot of people don't, is because they're considered just novelty.

They're considered sort of silly things. So you have, like, kind of novelty designs on it. Yeah. But a really crisp bow tie with a little polka dot like Churchill or some nice, like regimental stripes or something. that can really look very serious on the right guy. My husband once wore, we had a black tie event, and he had like a velvet suit jacket and a skull and crossbone bow tie.

That's pretty cool. That's very prep, very traditional. That's exactly what Winston would have done. All right, Dean says, Future Saint and Cofife distributor Knowles. When do you know if your girlfriend is the one that you want to marry? When you want to marry her. That's when you know that she's the one you want to marry. What are you asking me for?

You, look, I think people should get married younger. I wish I got married. I got married at 28. I wish I'd done it younger. Marriage is so great. I mean, being in L.A., you're from New York. Oh, no, I was like a child practically compared to what people get married these days. And I wish I had done it years earlier.

Marriage is great. Everything people tell you about how you should wait and marriage is terrible and that's all bunk. It's total BS. When you get married, you are committing to something, to someone and to say that you are now ready to be a serious person in society, in civil society. Very often now, look, I married my high school sweetheart, so that is not going to happen to everybody. But when I hear people talk about relationships and marriage, they'll say, oh, well, does she check this box? She checks this and this and this, but she doesn't quite agree with me on this aspect of tax policy. So she's dead and I got to swipe right and I got to go find someone else.

They're really taking... They show that on Tinder? Yeah, then I would have signed up, you know, I knew that. They're taking the romance out of it. They're taking the joy out of it. I mean, dating is fun, and marriage is fun too. There's this idea, especially since like the 70s and 80s, the conservatives are the eggheads.

We're the accountants. We're just tallying up taxes and entitlement programs and all this stuff. And the leftists, they're the ones pulled by great romance. The exact opposite is true. Leftists are the ones tabulating in this utilitarian way, the exact price of every aspect of human life. They're like cynics. They know the price of everything.

and the value of nothing. Conservatives do have a sense of romance. I mean, Edmund Burke, the sort of first modern conservative philosopher, was an aesthetic philosopher. He wrote about beauty. He was a proto-romantic. All the romantic poets that came afterward were disciples of Edmund Burke.

And so should we be, conservative. So here's how you should know. Here's how you should know if you should ask a girl out. Is she cute? Do you like her? Does your heart pit or pat her? Then go ask her out and go get a drink. Here's how you know if you should lean in for a kiss.

Do you want to kiss her? lean in for a kiss, see if it happens. Hopefully she says yes. Not the hitch rule, the 90-10? Yeah, I mean, they're all these different. Now these days you need like a notarized consent for it. Yeah, yeah. Make sure you have a lawyer present.

Right, make sure you got a lawyer present. And then how do you know if you're ready to get married? I don't know. Is she a great girl? Do you want to have a good life? Do you want to be an adult? If you like it, then you should put a ring on it. Yep.

And I think that there's so much too, especially for men. I mean, speaking of Judeo-Christian values, that you change or you should change in your maturity level when you do get married and you have that respect. responsibility. Even in my household where we're double income, right? We both work. There's still a level of things are different for my husband because he is the head of the house. And like there's that responsibility. And then even more so when you start to procreate and be fruitful and multiply, which is what we're trying to do because, you know, just had third kid and I'm like, maybe we can go

fourth. Because I got to like. You have like three kids a year. I don't know how you do it. I have to repopulate California with conservative. This is true. You know, at one time I was working for Mitch Daniels, the campaign to try to draft him for president. And he came and we said, how are we going to save the country? How are we going to do it? We got this crippling debt. Education has fallen apart. You know, we've got to fight all these elections. He said, you can beat the left either, you know, at the ballot box through these really gritty, tough political campaigns, or you can out-reproduce them and the latter is a lot more fun. Rick Santorum once told me backstage at CPAC that I was appeared to be a good mother so I should have A-Morp.

And I was like, is that to have conservatives take over? And he's like, yes, this is my plan. He's like, what do you think Catholics and Mormons do it for? That is great. That's very sex-positive. You know, the left says that we're not sex-positive. Yeah, apparently, rich, like, white men are supposed to not want me to do that. That's right.

Because they want to shut me down and it's not my body, not my choice. I don't know. I'm sure there's some handmade's-tail people. that will watch and say, well, that's them telling you how to use your body and not giving you the freedom to. How dare they? But I also make cute kids. You make very cute kids. And you got to get on that parent wagon.

I know, I got to start working on. I don't know. And ask the girl out. Ask the girl out. Just man up and do it. Come on. Do it. Be a man. It's like that scene when Johnny Fontaine and the godfather goes up. I've never seen it, which is why I said Frito wrong last week.

I know. Well, I'll give you a glimpse into the godfather. I was a sure if it was Alfredo and I didn't want to be racist and say like Frito, like Alfredo, because that's what was in my head. That's our word. And I said, Frito, and everybody's like, ugh. So there's a scene in The Godfather. Johnny Fontaine is the singer. He goes up to Don Corleone.

He's the main guy, right? Don Quirleone is, yeah, Marlon Brando. And Johnny Fontaine says, I got to get out of my contract, but I don't know how to get out. And he starts crying. And Marlon Brando goes up to where he said, what can I do? What can I do? You can act like a man! What's the matter with you?

That's what you can do. Except don't smacker. Yeah, well, no, I'd be smacking you. He was theoretically smacking you to make you act like a man. Media matters. Michael Knowles advocates smacking women. Exactly. Seated next to blonde bimbo.

Oh, gosh. Jessica says, Michael, how do you think C.S. Lewis would be received if he had been alive in 2019 and tried to publish the Chronicles of Narnia now? What do you think that means for modern Christian writers today? He would be received like Andrew Claven. I don't want to flatter Drew and compare him to see him to see. C.S. Lewis, but there would be some parallels there, right? Drew is a writer of fiction and now nonfiction, and he's, they even share the same version of Christianity. They're both Anglican.

And Drew has been blackballed from Hollywood. He's been blackballed from the mainstream of entertainment. And C.S. Lewis certainly would be, though C.S. Lewis, you know, even in his own time, was an academic. And even at Oxford, he was sort of discriminated against. People thought he was a as a Christian writing these children's stories. They certainly thought Tolkien was a weirdo. He kind of was a weirdo, creating his own language. If you're writing about things that are good and true and beautiful, you're probably going to be repulsed by the popular culture. And that's just the way that it is. Jesus tells us that that will happen. So it shouldn't come as any surprise, certainly to Christians. That's the cost. I mean, that's fine. Do you want to be

accepted by the schlubs of this world, or do you want to do something that is good and true? and beautiful and aimed toward your maker and to the higher good. That's a choice you got to make. And there are a lot of, look, I mean, I love my life. I'm out in terms of my religion and my politics and my sexuality. No, I'm kidding. It is kind of funny that we use that phrase, though, especially here in L.A., like to refer to our political stance and who knows and who doesn't.

Because in the popular culture of America, it is much, much more dangerous to your career and to your reputation to come out as a conservative or as a Christian. than it is to come out as any part of the alphabet soup, LGBTQ or anything else. I mean, that is celebrated by the culture. We have a whole month where we celebrate it now called Pride Month, but we don't celebrate the traditional liturgical calendar very much, do we? So you've got to make that choice. My life is great.

I love it. I go to sleep with a smile on my face every single night. Does it cost you some things if you do what you believe and you come out as a Christian or as a conservative? It will cost you some things. It costs Drew millions of things. of dollars, but I don't think he regrets it. In so much as I've done any of that, I don't regret it either. And certainly C.S. Lewis, I don't think regretted his public life. Are you a fan of Silicon Valley? You know, I've never seen it. Oh my gosh, it's so good. Ben and I think it's such a great show.

My husband and I watch it, and Ben and I always laugh that there's an episode, and it won't give too much away by saying this, but there's a character who is openly gay, and then one of the main characters outs him as a Christian, and everybody in the boardroom is pissed off that he's a Christian and he's like, how could you tell them? My career is going to be over. Don't tell my father. And it's this arc of an episode where it's so true. It's like, I think that shows more conservative than people think it is. I don't even think it's written to be conservative. It's just nowadays the truth is conservative. Reality is pretty conservative. And comedy can be pretty conservative because behind every joke there's a hint of truth. So watch, I think you'd like

the show. I got to check it out. In that episode, I just hearken back to that man when we have conversations like this because it's so true. All right. Corey says, Michael, how do we get you, Ben, Andrew, or Matt to come to Denver? I know it smells like weed here, but there are many conservatives that would love to see more conservative speakers come to Colorado. I'm only going to go to Denver for the pot. I mean, that's the big, I thought that's the big draw. Okay, I like those things. Yeah, that's true.

Unfortunately, I'm not going to be stopping in Denver. I did just learn, though. We announced my Yaff College Speaking tour. I was going some fancy schools on that line of. So I'm going back to my old stomping grounds at Yale, which is going to, they're probably going to tar and feather me, send me back on the Metro North to the and ask for your diploma back. They're going to take my diploma back. That's guaranteed.

I'm going to hide that before I go. I'm going to GW in Washington. They're trying to take away Washington as the mascot of George Washington University. Are they going to change the name? Yeah, I know. They should. Look, Yale changes all these names too. So, Elihu, Yale was a slave trader.

You think they'd change that at some point. Lord of Murphy. Going down to Florida, down to University of Florida. Yes. Going to Atlanta. I'm going to Ohio. I'm going to, I'll do USC. in Southern California, and I'm going to Kentucky.

So we're going to be all around. Unfortunately, not Denver, but hey, put in a request through Young America's Foundation. Maybe I'll get to go next semester. That would be amazing. And you get a whole tour this year. It's so official. It's going to be so fancy and fun.

Hopefully I won't get squirted by like weird chemicals on my loafers again. Bleach or anything? Yeah. Glitter on those loafers, right? Did it never come off? Yeah, you can still see it actually, right? Just a little hint of it. Glitter is the herpes of the craft world.

Once you get it, it never goes away, guys. I just found out my loafers have herpes. That's upsetting. Get a new pair. Doesn't the God King pay you enough to buy a new pair? Not a chance. Are you kidding me? I'll go to like the thrift store.

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How long do you think it will evolve from wax? Mom, I'm quoting here, so don't be mad. Quote my balls, you bigot, to, quote, abort my fetus, you sexist. Just got to take a moment on that. Really well-crafted questions, sir. Really well done. Thanks for making me read that. The story there, of course, is that some like,

pedophile guy who's pretending to be a woman walked into an immigrant's beauty salon in Canada and asked her to give him a Brazilian wax which is literally not possible it's not physically possible he could get something called a manzilian I'm sorry I did all this research

this does exist the manzillion requires a different technique in different waxes than the Brazilian wax so he couldn't have gotten it even if they were willing to do it what it amounts to is this I'm sorry I can't look at you I know it's fine let's it's like we're a confessional, we'll just look separate places. The guy, this guy goes in there and basically

says to an immigrant woman, he says, wax my genitals, you bigot. And then he filed a complaint, tried to get her shut down, got him out of business, did this to 15 or 16 other places. That many places? Oh yeah, all throughout Canada. He's a, he's a psycho. I mean, he's a, and also apparently a sexual predator. Yeah. So your question is, how long before we go from wax my balls you bigot, to use your phrase, to abort my fetus, you sexist. I think it's the opposite. We're already there. We're way past abort my fetus, you sexist. I mean, first of all, we pretend right now that there's something called the Hyde Amendment that protects taxpayer funding from going to abortion services. That doesn't exist because money is fungible. So you can't just say, okay,

plan parenthood, I'm going to give you half a billion dollars a year. And you must only use it for this. Yeah, you can only use this dollar on condoms, not on an abortion. Or the member. that they don't do. Or the mammograms that they pretend that they do even though they don't. But money is fungible. You have money, right? You have a pile of money that's tangible.

Then you put it into an ATM, and then you have money in your bank account, and then you get out different money. You don't get the same bills. Money is fungible. So we are already paying for abortions. And just this year, just in this presidential election, virtually every major Democratic candidate

has endorsed explicit taxpayer funding for abortion through the explicit repeal of the Hyde Amendment, up to and including Joe Biden, the alleged old statesmen the alleged moderate in the race. Who's had to apologize for his support for the High Amendment. That's right. He's just apologizing for everything. I mean, as he should. He's got a lot to apologize for. He, you know, that's the culture we live in.

Ernest Hemingway describes going bankrupt as it happening gradually, then suddenly. We had a gradual culture for a long time, and then it's just, it's suddenly become clear that we are way further to the left than we thought we were. I have a follow-up to that because we're talking about some of the new polling that just came out on the Democratic side with the field, the pact field over there that's running for president against Donald Trump right now. And Biden had been doing pretty well in the polls. I credit that. You and I have both been politicos. We've run campaigns before. I'm a geek when it comes to the breakdown of the numbers and the frequency of voters,

etc. I do wonder, based on your answer just then, it kind of triggered a thought that Joe Biden has dropped in the polls since he started apologizing for everything that he's done in the past. But Elizabeth Warren is increasing, and she's got some pretty cuckold. leftist ideas. So what does that say that the Democratic base really wants? Well, the issue is that Liz Warren is relatively new on the scene and she's always been pretty far left. So she doesn't have to pivot because she's always been on the progressive wing of the party, whereas Biden has at times presented himself as a moderate. Now, if you're a moderate in 1970, that makes you very conservative by today's standards. Still, I agree with your point. I think, don't apologize.

It's the Kevin Spacey lesson. It is the lesson of this graceless. era that we're living in is that you're just not allowed to apologize because nobody wants to forgive you. There's an old New York expression which is deny till you die. I mean that is and frankly President Trump is pretty good at this. He'll say I didn't think that. Nah, I didn't. I wasn't being serious when I said that. Moving on here we are. I said that no I didn't. That's right. I didn't forget about that. And it's brilliant. I mean it's the only strategy that you can pursue right now because our society is graceless and Biden didn't get it. He went weak need. He thought that he could win by apologizing, by coutowing to the leftist mob.

It never, ever works. And now he's paying the price. Jessica says, do you have any advice for an aspiring teacher? Despite the desire to want to impact student lives, the education system is wildly messed up. Can a single teacher like me make a difference? Absolutely. I speak regularly to my kindergarten teacher. One of my favorite teachers I ever had.

I was five years old. Me too. And we still talk a lot. It was my mom. That is true. You still, you talk to her like every day. It was homeschooled all 12 years. Hashtag homeschool joke.

You know, I still talk to a lot of my teachers. I mean, I could, my kindergarten teacher, my first grade teacher I've talked to in recent, my third grade teacher I've talked to in recent years. High school teachers I've still gone back and seen who radically shaped my life, who were so charitable to me, who were so important and influential.

Yeah, my teachers have been some of the most important people in my life. So certainly you can have a huge impact. And it's a difficult educational system now because not even because of the teachers. I don't even think the teachers are that left wing. I think it's the unions, the leadership of the teacher unions. I think it's the administrations very often or they're just politicians, basically. And then you get a lot of mandates from the county and from the state and these days even federal mandates that you have to fight against. And you've got to fight against it on the curriculum.

You've got to make sure you're teaching people real disciplines, real academic disciplines, real. scholarship and not just political ideology that masquerades a scholarship. But I strongly encourage teachers, especially teachers who, something tells me if you're watching this show, you're not like the most left-wing teacher in the world. So I really encourage it. I've, you know, you could have more of an impact, certainly than most politicians and most people who go on TV. I think that our education system would be much better off if actual teachers on the ground constantly rotated whoever was in charge of the union. Or they're just not being. Just obliterate it altogether.

Like, you know, like that Supreme Court decision that California Teachers Union tends to ignore? It's insane. The rigmarole that they're making people go through to try to get out of the union. It's insane. All right. Keith says, what is the honorable way to view leftists? I have such a low opinion of socialists and leftists in general that it feels like contempt. But I don't think I can change minds with such a low opinion of them.

Sure. The problem is not that you're wrong about the leftists. your opinion of the leftists is almost certainly correct. What I suspect the problem is that you're wrong about yourself, which is we're usually right when we condemn other people because people are jerks. But we tend to have a high-minded view of ourselves. So we judge other people on their actions.

We judge ourselves by our intentions. We forgive and excuse ourselves when we make mistakes when we're uncharitable, when we're cruel, and we only focus on that when we talk about other people. So the way that you should view leftists or people you disagree with is with the recognition that you didn't create your life You're not responsible for your life life life is a gift that was given to you it's going to be taken away from you and very almost certainly you're not going to know when that is going to happen You are a broken person you have a fallen and imperfectible nature and we're all just trying to do our best even people who are cruel who have bad intentions They've got histories they've got stories they've got upbringings that that that probably would make you shudder.

I mean, this is the thing about prison. I'm all for keeping the prisons filled. I'm all for bringing back the death penalty. I want real criminal justice. I'm not soft on that. And yet I have a great deal of sympathy for the people in prison. I've talked to ex-cons.

I've talked to people who've gone through that system. And they all have horrific childhoods. They all have horrific backgrounds. Same thing with homeless people on the street. Doesn't mean they're not dirty, rotten bums who are addicted to drugs and who are a drag on society. Also, they've had horrible upbringings usually. And you have benefited.

I mean, you have had certain privileges that, and you've had certain hardships that other people haven't had. The way to begin is humility. If you begin with humility, that is, I think St. Augustine said, the four most important virtues are humility, humility, humility, and humility. If you begin from that position, then you'll have a little bit of awe and wonder. You'll kind of get a kick out of the world. The left instead of bothering you, which, you know, for some people,

they're just so angry at the left all the time. I'm not. I'm usually entertained. I'm usually getting a kick out of it. It's a good laugh. Yeah, it's a good laugh, and it's an opportunity for you to help somebody out by helping them see the world a little more clearly. It's an opportunity rather than a burden. I would advise, and I think you and I have had to do this, given that we've spent our adult lives in liberal mecas.

I'm a little older than you. But I've only ever been in liberal places. Other than my upbringing in southeast and Oklahoma, I've spent my entire adult life, which is far too long now. I'm getting old, Michael. In New York. She's almost 25, Alicia. In New York and L.A. Same with you.

Well, and then at in Yale. which is also a liberal mecca. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Sometimes just befriend to people. Yeah. And then find out their politics or despite their politics, befriend them. And then it will make it easier for you to not feel contempt towards them

because of all the things that you just said. It humanizes them in a little bit. And vice versa. Then they won't have as much contempt towards you. That is very true. Just putting it out there. It's called like fellowship and evangelism, kind of. Where's the peace pipe?

Where's that Denver guy? All we are saying. All right. Chris says, hey Michael and Alicia, hey to you, Chris. I am getting ready for medical school interviews. How should I answer the, quote, your opinion on the current state of health care, close quote, without outing myself as a conservative. Sidebar, I didn't even know that's a potential question when you're trying to get into medical school. Of course.

Why is that relevant to going to medical school? What is your opinion on the current state of health care? That's the question. How should you answer that question? Very carefully. That's why. I got to meet Justice Scalia twice before he died. It was unbelievable, really the highlights of college.

And we would ask him a few questions, difficult questions. How do you reconcile originalism with stare decisis with looking at court precedent? How do you reconcile this and that? And the best answer he gave was very carefully, even one of the great, brilliant minds of our country, had that answer. You've got to be careful about it. You've got to be a little clever. You know, you've got to... Don't out yourself.

There's no... But don't lie. So what's your opinion of the current state of health care? There are many challenges. It's broken. Costs are too high. There would be ways to expand access to health care. Innovation is wonderful.

We're the greatest driver of health care innovation in the world. Obviously, we have the best health care system in the world. That's a true answer. a leftist hearing that wouldn't find anything objectional about it. Except the last one. No, I think they would agree with that.

Really? I think so. It depends on how hardcore they were. Maybe not. Okay, maybe lay off that a little bit. The real fear is if they get into asking you specific policy solutions,

and if they do that, find a lawyer buddy. I mean, that is like serious viewpoint discrimination, and even if it doesn't violate any particular law in whatever state you would be going to medical school in,

That is a big issue. That is real corruption of higher education, and you should make an issue of it. Julian wants to know. I don't know. This might be Allie Beth Stuckey using a fake name as a Daily Wire subscriber named Julian, who wants to know, what are your biggest criticisms of Calvinism? How much time do we have left in this? Well, I say that because Ali is obviously an advocate for Calvinism.

She is. She and I discuss this at length. And this is something that she talked about on Ben's episode of the Sunday special that she was on, which everyone should go check out as well. Without going too far into it, and I'm no scholar of Calvinism, I'm a Catholic, the big criticism of Calvinism is that it is a form of fatalism. So it denies the will in many ways, and it sort of surrenders humanity to a sort of mindless fatalism. Now, the response to that would say, you darn Catholic. or Pelagian heretics. You have a work-based theology, which is not true, and we could get into that at some point.

But if Calvinism is only focused on grace and denies the role of the will, and then certain heresies, which were declared heresies 15 hundred years ago, like the Pelagian heresy, deny grace and only focus on the role of will. What you need to have is true religion, which is the marriage of grace and will, dancing as though they're doing a formal dance at a ball. And you see this most clearly in the enunciation. So when the angel comes down to Mary and says, Hail Mary, the Lord is with you. You will conceive a child of the Holy Spirit.

And then all of heaven holds its breath. Because the angel waits and Mary says, I am the Lord's servant, his will be done. So that God comes all the way down the mountain. All of grace is there in that scene. And yet, so is Mary's will. and marry a sense to God's will. And we may turn away from God's will.

We may turn away from our own salvation. That is for us to do. And this is denied by certain more modern Christian iterations, including Calvinism. And so that would be, I think, probably the most glaring error. All right. Ezra says, would you be friends with someone who had an abortion? I am friends with people who have had abortions, multiple abortions, and multiple people who have had abortions.

Christians, and I'll even expand that to the whole pro-life community who tend to be conservative, at least. I think Christians, conservatives, pro-lifers, I think we are the most judgmental people, except when we are the least judgmental people. I had a guy, I barely knew him. I mean, we were kind of pals in college, but we weren't close at all. Hadn't spoken for years and years and years, not after really freshman or sophomore year. He called me because he was going to prison for an horrific.

I won't even go into it here, like the worst crimes you can possibly imagine. I said, why are you calling me? This is a guy who would give me grief about my politics in college because I was such a judgmental conservative. And I've thought about that. I said, why is he calling me? And I think it's because we are very judgmental. We have judgments about the world.

We think about the world. We think about morality. We think about virtue. We think about human action. We spend a lot of time thinking about them. So we do have judgments. And yet, because we spend all that time, there also comes the wisdom of human brokenness, human frailty.

There but for the grace of God go I. People I know have had abortions. There but for the grace of God go I, either as the baby or as the mother. Women I know who are wracked with regret and grief because of what they did. I have a friend in New York, unbelievable Christian guy, born. born again, goes to daily Mass. He's a born again Catholic. Usually we say born again and it refers to evangelicals.

When you're my people evangelical. But he's a born again Catholic who goes to mass every day. Whereas an I love Jesus cap. And this guy was involved in crime, serious crime, like kill people kind of crime. And he pointed out to me, St. Paul was a murderer. If St. Paul was a murderer persecuted and killed Christians and he becomes the apostle, such the apostle that he's just referred to as the apostle. then certainly there is redemption for women and mothers who have had abortions.

All right. Heidi says, her boyfriend and her are currently reading Three to Get Married by Fulton Sheen. Do you recommend any other books as marriage prep? Yeah, I'm actually embarrassed to say I haven't read three to get married, but I just love Fulton Sheen. I mean, just go through his old TV shows, watch them on YouTube. You'll go down a vortex, absolutely. I didn't read any books for marriage prep. I did marriage prep. The Catholics have pre-Kana, but there are other, but there are other Protestant versions of that. Yep.

I do recommend that. I found that really helpful. The conversations with my priest were really helpful, conversations with married people were really helpful. I asked my grandfather, who my grandparents have been married something like 70 years. He was a captain in the Navy. I asked him, what's the key? I was on his 60th anniversary.

I said, what's the key to a happy marriage? He said, shared experience, 54 months of pregnancy. Patients. Fifty-four months of pregnancy. Yeah, 54 months of pregnancy. And frequent absence, because he was deployed to Vietnam. You know, he was a Navy man, so he was out. That helps a little bit, too.

I would recommend, though, doing it. I would recommend doing the marriage prep, because, you know, marriage isn't a book. You're acting it every day. You're putting it into your body. You know, it's your life. So read whatever good books people recommend to you. But I would practice.

You know, it's a much more practice than an intellectual exercise. And it seems as if you knew, you probably knew people that have been like in the newlywed stage, my mom calls the first five years. And then any therapist I've ever talked to, say that like the seven and the ten year itch are real. Right. Talk to people at that stage and then talk to people at the 20 year stage because every stage of marriage is so different.

Right. And differently relatable to people. I can't remember what we read. I'm coming up on 10 years and I can't remember it. Do you have the it? No. Okay, that's good. I'm glad I don't know.

You just had a kid. Not in the Marilyn Monroe movie either, by the way. No, it refers to, like, therapists often refer to it as like you start to look at the other person and all the things that you used to love, you know, hey. That happens around seven and ten years, they say. It's just interesting. Anyway, good luck with that. And, you know, like Michael said earlier, get married and have lots of babies.

Okay, Jerry says his company released a guide of correct language regarding gender in the realm of health care with phrases like biological sex being banned. I want to keep my job, but this is crazy. Any advice? Depends what your job is. It depends how you have to use that language. I mean, I would never use that language, and now I work here. You know, I'm not working at Morgan Stanley or something or someplace that would insist on that kind of ridiculous Orwellian language. So it depends. If they're saying around the water cooler, you can't use the word sex. You have to use the word gender, which is a term that refers to grammar, not to human people, I mean, they're not supposed to refer to humans. Then I would just avoid the topic at the water cooler. If in official company

missives, you're not allowed to use the term sex. You have to use the term gender for something that is going out publicly from the company. It's their company. They can put out whatever they want. Now, what they're saying is that in your interpersonal communication, you're just kind of, your, your emails, your text messages, you're the way you think, because that's what it ultimately comes down to is not just speech codes, but speech codes or thought codes. If it comes down to that, I certainly wouldn't be able to tolerate that. I mean, all I've got is my consciousness. All I've got is what I think of the world, the faculties that are mine. And if I were told that I'm not allowed to think what I think or have the opinions that I have or even use my own speech,

which is the human ability, right? That's what separates us from the animals. Then I would maybe start looking on zip recruiter.com, I'd start looking for a new place because that is so oppressive. I don't know how I could have a career at that sort of place. And I don't know how HR would handle that. Well, I suspect I do know how HR would handle it. The way HR should handle it is by protecting the liberties and the rights of the employee, but these days I don't think that's how it works. HR is always out for the company, folks, never the employee. That's right. That's right. Saw that in a few situations in the news the last couple years. Just life lesson there.

Joel says traditionalist Knowles and welcome back, Alicia. Thanks, Joel, it's good to be back. Why do so many conservatives emphasize 2A and disregard 4A, mostly with regards to encryption backdoors, both Republicans and Democrats looking, and warrantless cell phone searches? We had this incident after San Bernardino terror attack where the FBI, I think, wanted to have backdoor access to the phone.

To the iPhone, yeah. And Apple said, no, absolutely not. We're not doing it. And Apple made the right decision. I mean, the minute that Apple says that they're actually going to open up the privacy for people who want to snoop in from the government, you have no consumer confidence in that product anymore. So I think they made the right decision.

The Fourth Amendment is a little tricky though because, you know, while it does protect certain rights to privacy, it doesn't protect some sort of general privacy. And what does general privacy even mean in an age where we put everything that we say and do and think and every photo that we, you know, every moment of our lives is put into the public on the internet. I think that's a little bit why. The Second Amendment is very clear. From the conservative coalition perspective, don't forget, the conservative coalition is diverse.

It includes traditionalists, which probably I fall a little bit more in that camp. It includes libertarians, at least last time I checked. It includes the religious right. It includes the neo-conservatives. It includes more populist types. All of whom have very different ideas from one another. They all basically agree on the guns. They all basically agree we have a right to protect ourselves.

We have a natural right to protect ourselves. Comes from natural law. And the libertarians wanted to just all. We have a traditionalist inherited right to guns. So that one's pretty easy. But what privacy means precisely is highly contested among those different branches of the conservative movement. And I think that's why where you might get someone like Rand Paul or Mike Lee or generally the libertarians to talk on and on and on and on about that. Fourth Amendment, the other parts of that coalition are just less interested in it.

Or wide ranging in their opinion. One of them is the search and seizure part of the Fourth Amendment and how previously, even if you were under investigation, they could come seize your assets. And that is so disputed on the right. I was very surprised by lots of lawyer friends of mine when that decision came down. However, I was like, oh wow, I didn't expect that opinion of you. Or the right to pornography. You know, now, right, pornography is everywhere.

It is completely ubiquitous. It is, with the advent of the internet, it went onto every computer, and then nobody's ever going to talk about it. This is like the silent epidemic in America. And virtually every libertarian I talk to says, everyone has a right to view whatever pornography. It's crazy to criminalize pornography.

And then most conservatives I talk to are traditionalists, that ilk, or religious right, say, absolutely there's no right to pornography. pornography is awful. It harms the people who do it. It's incredibly tempting. I mean, it is like the great temptation. So even people who oppose it will look at it, get rid of it. Just ban it. Totally get rid of it and block it. And that's a legitimate disagreement on the right. And it's, it largely comes down to first principles. And I don't know that you're going to reconcile the traditionalists of the libertarians on that issue or even some others.

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sinning and ceases to extend his mercies? Well, for some people, I think mercy would be ending it all right now. The sweet meteor of death might be a mercy to some people, in so much as, you know, if you die in a state of grace, you get to go up to heaven, that's pretty good. Whereas for some people, a very, very long life doesn't seem merciful at all for people who are frittering away their life and end in sort of self-destruction. Certainly in the Bible, we see God losing his patience with certain cities. But this also is in part a function of human will, because when God is preparing to destroy cities,

they'll say, all right, if I can find 40 righteous people, then I won't destroy it. You can't find those 40, can you? If I can find 20, right? If I can find 10 righteous people, but they can't because people get so rotten. So I'm not too worried about the sweet meteor of death. I have great love for providence. I have great trust in God and great faith. And Russell Kirk writes about this, the guy who wrote The Conservative Mind.

And in his read of Edmund Burke, he says that Providence, the trust in God's plan, the trust that this world makes sense is fundamental, essential to the conservative point of view. And even if you think that you're an atheist or an agnostic or something, Just the idea that this world makes sense. There is a purpose. It's not just random craziness that doesn't mean anything, a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Just that belief is essential to conservatism.

And on the left right now, you see chaos, this idea that there is no sense to the world. It's not going toward anything. I always see these articles, you know, a meteor hurled past the earth. Thank goodness it didn't hit us. I didn't think it was going to hit us. I, you know, it doesn't seem like it's our time just yet. That's a fundamental distinction.

I'm not worried about that meteor of death coming and crushing us. We don't know the time or the hour. We don't know when it's going to happen, but when it does, I trust it will be the right time. And I'm sure we'll see some sweet meteor of death 2020 bumper stickers like we did back in 2016. Whoever came up with that is making some good money right now. This is our final question on this episode of the conversation. This is our final question. Final question.

I had barely any of my whiskey. Chug, chug, chug, chug. That's what they say at Yale, right? I don't know. I'm a college dropout. All right, this question comes from Tyler, who says, I am a criminal justice and homeland security major. My professors and my criminology continue to push Black Lives Matter movement,

and one is really pushing us to go to BLM rally. Do you have any advice? Have you considered transferring schools? Have you considered, I don't know, a major in English and then go join the police academy or something? That's really awful, though it's part and parcel of a movement you see genera. in academia, which is a lot of departments hate the thing that they are studying. So if you're studying criminal justice, it appears that they're endorsing ideologies that disparage

criminal justice, that undercut criminal justice. You see this with American Studies. American Studies, ironically, hates America. You see this with a lot of different departments. So that's too bad. I certainly wouldn't go to the rally, but if you're going to get booted from the program or you're going to fail out of the program by making a spectacle of yourself, then you might want to keep your head down a little bit.

I wouldn't do anything to violate your integrity. I wouldn't do anything that you don't believe. But you don't always need to showboat to prove that you're hardcore, that you really stand by your beliefs. You've got to be clever, innocent as a dove and wise as a serpent. And I guarantee you there are one or two professors at least in that department, and probably more than that who think that what the political leftist activists are doing is awful. I would seek out those professors because they're going to be important to your education. All right. That's

it. That's it. We made it. It's been a whole hour of this episode of the conversation with Michael Knowles. Thank you so much for joining us, everyone. And be sure to subscribe for next episode of the conversation over at the daily wire.com. And that'll be featuring our very own Ben Shapiro. It's great to be back. I'm Alicia Krause. I'm Michael Knowles. You want the rest of my whiskey? Sure. We'll see you next time. See you next time. Thank you.