The Michael Knowles Show - The Epstein Files: Benny Johnson Vs Michael Knowles | FACE OFF

Episode Date: February 21, 2026

In this high-stakes episode of FACE OFF, powerhouse commentators Benny Johnson and Michael Knowles go head-to-head on who knows more about the Epstein files. Benny and Michael clash on the facts, the conspiracies, and what it all means for justice, power, and accountability in 2026. Watch now and join the conversation—don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the bell for more FACE OFF episodes, Daily Wire debates, and unfiltered truth bombs.Only on DailyWire+ and YouTube. You can follow Benny Johnson here: https://youtube.com/@bennyjohnson?si=GpC9oqYfJEkFB4vx - - - Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://get.dailywire.com - - - Today's Sponsor: Good Ranchers - Get $25 off your first order and save up to $500 a year when you use code KNOWLES at https://GoodRanchers.com - - - DailyWire+: Become a Daily Wire Member and watch all of our content ad-free: https://dailywire.com/subscribe 🍿 The Pendragon Cycle: Rise of the Merlin is now streaming exclusively on DailyWire+ Watch now: https://dwplus.watch/ThePendragon Subscribe here: https://pendragonseries.com 📘 My book "Speechless: Controlling Words, Controlling Minds" is available here: https://dwplus.shop/Speechless 🕯️ Get your Michael Knowles candles: https://thecandleclub.com/collections/michael-knowles 👕 Don’t dress like a squish. Shop my merch here: https://dwplus.shop/MichaelKnowlesMerch - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3RwKpq6 Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3BqZLXA Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3eEmwyg Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3L273Ek - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No, you're not, are you? I have to break this to your audience. I'm in the files. I'm in it. My name technically appears in the files because technically I trafficked women for Jeffrey Epstein to less red. Today, we're diving into one of the most discussed topics

on the internet. We're talking emails, the testimony, and the unbelievably sussed timing when Jeffrey Epstein allegedly unlived himself. Our guests are also two of the only people, not mentioned in the 3 million plus documents. In one corner, a man who never went to the eye because it would have been a mortal sin,

the sin of taking a vacation day. Michael Noel. And in the other corner, a man who never attended a Diddy White Out party because he wouldn't be able to wear a black t-shirt, Benny Johnson. Wait, hold on. This is face off Epstein final.

I will read a question. Each hoach will have 30 seconds to scribble down their answer and the loser will have to give a glowing 30-second read for the winner. Well, gentlemen, I would ask what you did to prepare for this, and clearly y'all are no more of it than I do. of it than I do. I have to break this to your audience. I'm in the files. I'm in the files. FBI briefing document

notes my interview with Cash Patel in 2023 talking about the Epstein files. And so it says the Benny Show, far right podcaster, this is the FBI's internal memo to their top leadership. So my name does appear technically in the files as a newsweek write-up.

All right, if we're making confessions and stuff like that, I guess I should also point out my name technically appears in the files because I because technically I trafficked women for Jeffrey Epstein

to Les Wexner on behalf of Mossade. Okay. But it's a technicality. That would be on brand actually here. So great. This is not a joking matter,

Mr. Davies. Can you cut it out with the jokes? How many emails did you read? I try to know more about things than you do, Mr. Davies, I do. But I've read like three emails. I haven't, I haven't dug in a lot. I know that, I came here with my suspicions that Michael was a trafficker for Mossad, and now they've been confirmed. So we can just go home from now. This was actually the point. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, that may come up in a question later, but it's not the first one. The first question is,

What color dress was Bill Clinton wearing in the oil painting seized from Jeffrey Epstein's New York Mansion? 30 seconds. Wait, don't show them yet, Benny. I showed it. I showed it. Too late. It's blue. It is blue.

Nice warm-up question. Do you know why it's blue, Mr. Daly's? That's easy, dude. I do. It's easy. Why is it blue? Why is it blue? Do you know why it's blue?

Monica Lewinsky's dress. Because of Lewinsky. I didn't know if you, I didn't know. You're young. You were barely a glint in your. father's eye when the Lewinsky scandal happened. We're the same age. Well, that's true. Wait, because I do, I figure both

you guys would know this. Well, there was plenty of, there was plenty of glint on that dress. Okay. From the dry cleaner. It was covered, it splattered actually in glintz. Yeah, that's, well, that's how he got impeached. That's, yeah, it's how they proved it. That's right. And censor, but I

do want to give whoever knows the name of the painting, the actual point. I figured you both get blue. What is the name of the painting? Is this like a famous painting? I mean, I knew he had it commissioned. I think Benny scribbles on down and he's got it. The painting was titled something.

All right, Michael, what do you got? Gint on my dress. Okay, that's right. I said moaning Lisa. Is it moaning Lisa? I think for creativity, I think we should give you that. But no, the name of the painting is parsing bill. Okay.

Okay. All right. So we'll give you both y'all a point for blue. Thank you. That is paraphrasing Joe Rogan here. That is the I gotcha bitch. Like they knew they were cooked. Yeah.

But like the, like, I think it's amazing what's happening right now. Hillary Clinton's finally getting asked questions about this. And she's like, it was just for philanthropy. And there's photos of him with trafficked women who are naked in a hot tub. So this is like the Clinton version of philanthropy. It is, I love it. I mean, I think it's incredible. By the way, it's a little more like bill and entropy is what I think it is.

A little more about Bill is what I think. The fact that she has not been asked, she's been running for president. She ran for president for like a decade and nobody asked her any questions about Jeffrey Epstein. How's that possible exactly? She's just now getting asked on the record about Jeffrey Epstein. These are the first times Hillary Clinton who's been in the public eye for 50 years, never asked a question about Jeffrey Epstein. Not once. Well, she wiped all those emails off her server.

So it's only now. She didn't wipe them off his server is the problem. This is, I think, a remarkable timeline. It's the sacred timeline. Very excited about it. If only we have the emails, we could do a whole other show just on the Clinton files.

But we'll get to number two. What object was reportedly hanging from the ceiling inside Epstein's mansion that raised eyebrows? There's a few things. This is the most iconic. Is that a real answer? Is that...

Betty, don't reveal your answer. Oh, good. Hold on. All right, hold on. I'm going to. Oh, is it not a speed thing? Did he have a bride hanging from his chandelier? It was a speed.

Either way. It's a speed. It was a speed thing. It was unbelievable. It was speed. It was a human-sized bride doll hanging from a chandelier. There was a bright doll. Okay, that's a little different.

I just copied Benny, but at least we'll get the same number of points. Really? He had a bride doll. Just keep it in the holster until like we were ready to fire here, okay? Hey, there's a good advice you could have given to Clinton in 1996. Yeah. All right, number three, documents released this year revealed that Jeffrey Epstein was permanently banned from online gaming from what system back in 2013. From what system or what game?

System. It's kind of like an online gaming service, but like the system works. I'm using the acronym for it. All right. What do you got, Michael? I said X, X, X, Box, Live and Unalive. Do this is the entire show. All right, Betty, what you got?

It was World Warcraft, I think. Pretty sure. Michael takes the lead with Xbox Live in 2013. I like that. The more current rumor is about Fortnite and the gamer tag, but they're disputing that. The one that is confirmed is Microsoft. Yeah, I thought it was the Fortnite thing at first,

so I'm glad you clarified. Michael knows a lot about these emails all of a sudden. It's getting a little suspicious, Michael. But the next batch that drops. All right, here we go. Number four. A note reportedly found another flash, sadly. I thought there was still like millions unreleased.

There are. But we're not getting them. And it's our job. It's our job to get him to release them. All right. Number four. And a note reportedly found in his jail cell where he complained about giant bugs crawling on him being served burnt food and being locked naked in a shower for hours.

How did Epstein end that letter? Was it A, I'm not suicidal. B, I don't deserve this. C. Not today. Or D. Not fun. Not fun is the funniest one

But I'm taking a guess at this one It's gonna take a show cold It really could plausibly be any of So Michael gets the So Michael gets the points when he read off my board So those are valid those are valid points What do you throw it up in the air? I get all those points.

Bride I say E bride He's only had by one yeah Give me to read through them again You have your answers I have it Benny do you have yours I do, sir

All right Benny what do you have It sounded more like Epstein. I've read a lot of Epstein emails, so that sounded more like, it's not fun. Not fun. Michael? Yeah, I agree.

I think it's D, not fun. That's correct. Yeah, okay. Who taught you to write? You know what I tried to do a... What is that exactly? I tried to do cursive, like really good cursive,

would look like this. But instead, it kind of just, it kind of came out like that. Anyway. The funny thing... My three-year-olds learning her, And she does better alphabet letters. We all do bubble letters.

That's cool, bro. It's fine. It's fine. The fun thing with the no fun email that it was, it was no fun with two exclamation points as well. No fun. No fun. It's kind of like an end of a Trump tweet. Yeah.

You know, like big. You know. Yeah. Right. Actually, Trump tweets are like a great example of the greater overall point, which is like you read through these Jeffrey Epstein emails and you're like, these people run the world? Yeah. Like they can't effing spell.

They can't, they can't even write like basic, they can't write basic sentences. I've noticed this though. And they're like, they're like typing down all their crimes. The more, the more, the more, like, high status people get,

the more, I think it's almost intentional that they misspell stuff. It's like, it's like, I'm too busy. Oh, I don't even, I don't even want to check my, I don't even need to use the proper number of vowels. I think it's a total power play. So Whoopi Goldberg, I just read through the Whoopi Goldberg emails, which are so funny. So Whoopi Goldberg gets down on her knees and begs Jeffrey Epstein for its jet.

Please let me use your Gulfstream too. I need to go to Monaco, which is a $50,000, $100,000 jet trip. And she says, please come with me. I beg of you. And so this is the Whoopi Goldberg email. It's so funny. And Jeffrey Epstein's response to her is, he goes, no thanks. But he misspels thanks.

So he can't even like turn down. So Whoopi Goldberg is the only person that was too slimy and too repulsive for Jeffrey Epstein even to allow on the rape jet. Yeah. And you know, you would think with some of the conspiracy theories, you think Wopi Goldberg is almost Jewish. But she's not. It's fake. That Goldberg name is made up. It's not.

I'm not saying Epstein's Mossad. I'm saying that you would, according to the theory, you would. would think Whoopi Goldberg could, but she can't, because it's not even, she's not really, really a Goldberg. It's fun. Speaking of people who Jeffrey actually did like, who was reportedly in line to inherit most of Jeffrey Epstein's fortune? Is it A, Gislane Maxwell, B, an unnamed son, C, surviving parents, or D, a Belarusian-born

qualified dentist. It's easy, man. Then he's ready to throw it up. 10 seconds. Should you do a speed element in this. I think we should now. This is getting bad. All right.

What do you got? I said the dentist, the hot dentist. See, it's teeth with like big, luscious lips. Try to spice it up a little. Okay. That looks like kind of like an Egyptian boat, like from the, you know, Pharisees. Sorry, not Pharisees. Like the pharaohs? Oh, yeah.

Or like a Viking ship. It's like an Asian. Kind of like a Viking ship, like with sails. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's a Viking or like a pagoda. Yeah, anyway. I thought the exact same thing. Good news is you both got it right.

the Belarusian-born dentist. Yeah, I saw, what's her name? I was actually reading about her. We'll get into that in the next question. How large was the diamond ring? Epstein reportedly gave Kirian Schulzlick through the 1953 trust, signed just two days before his death. That's the name of the Belarusian dentist.

Now, this is the closest without going over with carrots, okay? How many carrots is this diamond ring? Closest without going over? Just two days before he allegedly unaligned himself. All right. Michael, do you have an answer? I say it's 19 carrots. Okay, Benny?

30 carrots. It's 32.73 carrots. Benny with the dagger, tied game. I thought it was going to be 20, and I wanted to give myself a little wiggle. Wow, okay. I should have realized. He's got a lot of money. Poor guy, you know, and he was just about to get married.

Those two young kids, you know, are like a bad term for the Epstein files. But like those two, that young couple, they had their whole lives ahead of them, struck down in his prime. That's what most people say about the Epstein Files. It's just tragic. Trag. Tragic. Such a sad tale. Number seven, according to prediction market Kalshi, what was the percentage chance that Gisling Maxwell will be released from government custody? Closedest this without going over. What's the current betting odds? What percent chance does she have to get out? Are we good?

All right, Benny, what do you have? 12%. Michael? Wow, you really said... I said 53. It's 27% according to Kalshi, a chance that she has to

get out. So I'm technically closer. You are technically closer. And he went over. I thought you were going to change it, you know? No, that's really... Oh, that's bad. I mean, she's got a 20-year sentence.

Yeah, 50%. So she's going to eventually get out. You know, I guess, like, what's the... 100%. Eventually, she'll die in jail. I doubt they'll ever let her be a free person again. Yeah. Right?

You just wonder if they were, look, maybe the thing is, when we say that Epstein belonged to intelligence or had some, obviously he did have relationships to like every intelligence service on Earth. But I don't think he was like super spy Jeffrey. That said, like Maxwell's dad was a spook. He was like a triple agent or something like that. You would just think if these agencies were as powerful as they are, like one. of them would bail her out, maybe, or maybe not. Are you going to play some of the best? Maxwell's dad got like a state funeral in Israel.

He was like a totally amsat agent, like for sure. But I think he was also MI6 and KGB. I think. That's what I read it. Yeah, he did like, he lived in England. He did like arms deals all throughout Europe. That's the thing with these guys. I think they're like,

when he died, when he died, like the entire Israeli government showed up and he got a state funeral in Israel. So. Yeah. I mean, that dude was like for sure, Assad. For me, maybe they'll toast one glass of Manashevitz, but I don't think, I don't know, I've never actually been to Israel. I don't, they keep having wars, so I don't want to go. But like...

I think you're right, though. I think you're right. My new favorite conspiracy theory, it's not really a conspiracy theory. They're all just theories at this point, and the conspiracy theorists are up like 1,000 to 0, is that, you know, Jolene Maxwell was swapped out. because the most recent video of her and her deposition like doesn't even doesn't look like her

and everyone's saying like it's different nose different eyes different ears and they did the swap out an actress man you know so I've had some tough jobs

in my life but imagine being the Galane Maxwell prison body double you have to really screw up in like you know high school classes

to end up with that gig that's terrible it's hard to believe the photos too because I fell for the Epstein and Israel Fortnite photos that were like clearly Sora. I'm like, all right, guys.

There's like so many of these AI pictures of like it's like Epstein wearing guelho glasses. Like guys, I don't think, come on, what are we doing? I think I even said it to you in morning. Yeah. Allegedly to all this. All right, what was the alleged code phrase beef jerky speculated online to reference in certain emails

in certain email discussions? What was that code name for? For example, Jojo is here and will walk the jerky over to Jeffrey. Does Benny have his answer? He's been ready. Is it? Was it human flesh? Oh yeah, Benny. Both correct. Yeah, okay.

Wait, what did he say? Child meat. That's like such a grosser way to put it. It's crazy. According to Reddit, it comes up 383 times. But that's Reddit. Can't confirm that. Man, you know, maybe I'm too naive or something.

But like, obviously, like, Epstein was up to some pretty, like, demonic stuff. Like, there was clearly a lot of, even his reaction to the name. of Christ. It's just like really bizarre reaction when Steve Bannon asks him in this interview and he's like, oh, the carpenter. Like what do you have to do with me, Jesus of Nazareth? But some of this stuff where they're like they're eating babies or whatever, I just don't buy it. Like I don't, am I, maybe I'm naive. Kind of depends on how far you want to go into the occult rituals by child and human sacrifice is obviously woven into occult practices. is the dawn of time.

Yeah, that's true. And so if that's, if you assume that they're a cultist, which I do, the reason why is that they treat human beings as as subhuman, right? So this is what they were doing with these women. This is what they were doing with these children. No one would treat a child of God this way. And so when you go that far down the pathway and you look at some of the art, you look at like what they were painting, you look at the visualizations, you just have to assume

a cult level practices on this stuff. And I don't think, I honestly, Michael don't think that was the full op. I think that that was a side project. I think that the full op was actually being a, like a fixer, right? Yeah. Between government entities and like a dark arts, like a mafia style, like hitman. Yeah. Between, like I needed to get a dirty job done.

Yeah. And you see that throughout the emails. Like everyone who has a filthy, dirty job, they would go to Epstein. He would get involved. He was known as a guy who could just like, you like get you know you could take care of this stuff but as but in order to facilitate business with these you know with with people who are under mass surveillance or billionaires who can't just go and bill gates can't just go to a bar right and pick up a chick uh he he he had the island

with the women he had the plane with the women because he knew that's something that's like a lot that that that that grease the skids for his business yeah the real business was like being a government facilitator between the public and the private space he was like that you know that glue between those spaces. I agree. That's why when people say, like, well, did he work for the CIA or Mossad or KGB or FSB or MSS or MISB or MISC or this or the Arabs or this or that, I think like no, like probably no except yes to all of them, incidentally, like yes. Yeah, he was like a shady dude who just kind of made stuff happen. And like I know those guys from New York. I know guys who kind of move in between the darker spaces and the more public square.

And I think he was just that at the very highest level. Like just think of the highest level lobbyist, crook, dodgy money launderer, pimp, weird. Just like the highest level of that was this guy. So yeah, to your point, yeah, when people sin a lot, they do, they're touching on the occult in that they're dealing with like very dark spiritual forces. And so, yeah, okay, if something like that did happen, yeah, I think it was probably incidental to the business, whatever the business was. Yeah, I mean, again, there's no doubt that there are sort of through lines for this.

There's one email where he's talking about like a girl praying to Jesus Christ. Oh, yeah. And then being, and then, and then being, I mean, it's totally, it's totally evil. is demonic, you would never ever be able to do these kind of things, you know, unless you have some type of, you know, the spiritual lens is the only way to actually truly see through this. So, yeah, I think that it is, I mean, obviously, Michael, I think that it is like a little, you know, it's a little bit, you know, it's a little, it's clearly code for something. Right, right.

So, like, I guess I just don't know. Like, is it child meat? It's code for something. That's the thing. Right. What's it code for? Right. You know, nobody, these people have private chefs.

They have the best chefs in the world. They're all billionaires. Nobody ever talks about food this way. I mean, ever mentions jerky thousands of times. Yeah. So exactly what is it is it? And it's mentioned in like such strange, such peculiar ways. It's mentioned in a way that even if you were physically carrying beef jerky, you would never talk about it.

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It's the only one. No, I think this one's pretty obvious. 6.5. Benny's up. All right, Mike, what do you have? 6.5. This is actually pretty close. So probably, I said nickelback. I thought he was beating me by Moore, and so I went just for the joke.

I don't actually know, I don't actually know this one. I assume there's like a bunch of laundry by his cell, according to the schematics of the prison. It's a huge laundry. like by his cell. So I assume maybe it's like the washing machine running all time. That's close. I don't know. Reportedly, it was a constantly running broken toilet.

The toilet? Okay. The drove of nuts, yeah. Well, if neither of us gets it, then I feel better about writing Nickelback. Was there any, like any photographs or anything? No. Okay, all right, never mind. All right. Number 10. How old nickelback in his cell?

That's who did it. This is growing up. No, I'm joking. Only the boom box by the door. That would have been great. How long did the guards reportedly fail to check in on Epstein the night he died? Is it A, 30 minutes, B, one hour, C, two hours, D, three hours. Who were subsequently moved out of the facility as quickly as possible, given promotions.

Never had to answer the media. No career repercussions. Just a coincidence. Was it two hours? Benny, what you have? I have C. two hours. Gentlemen, it was three hours, or closest

to three hours. Three hours. That is correct. Closest to, it's closest to closest, huh? Well, I mean, it's about three hours. That's what the reports were. Okay. Okay.

We're just a little going. Can we get a fact check at the control room? It doesn't, we do have the same. I don't know. I think of you guys. It's right. It would be a tie anyway. It was two. It's either two or three, but it is, reportedly it's closer to three. Okay.

All right. Number 11. How tall was Jeffrey Epstein? Closest about going over. Was he one of those guys? You mean him in person, it's suspiciously tall, you know? Is he suspiciously short? Why does it have to be suspicious?

Why can't he be ordinarily tall or short? I mean. Because he's a suspicious figure. Yeah. He has kind of tall guy energy. That can't be right. Chad GPT is saying the guards were asleep for eight hours, but clearly chats messing up.

Don't use chat GPT guys. That's just what like HHS recommends. That's like, yes, he drank eight glasses of water a day too. I don't. We're ready? I'm just making a guess based on a bunch of photos.

You know, you've seen photos of him with Clinton. You've seen photos of him with Trump. I've met Trump. Because what's Trump? Trump is 6-3, 6-2, 6-3, something like that. So, yeah, I'm kind of basing it on the Trump one.

I said 5-9. Five nine, Benny, what do you have? Five-11. Trump is six, three, but the correct answer is five-seven. Let's go! Five-sev. Yeah, kid. Michael, I'd say closest without going over.

You guys were both over, so y'all both lost. Benny's still up by one. He was only five-seven, wow. Five-seven, hold on. Wow, you know, I was... There's a photo of him with Bannon. There's a photo of him with Bannon, too. And I don't remember Bannon being particularly short, but they're like the same height, right?

So it's like, weird. Five seven's pretty short. Hold on. Pretty short dude. Yeah, hold on. I'm looking this up. I don't trust Davies' Grock or whatever he's doing, Gemini. Apparently the source was wrong on this one.

Yeah. Because you brought up Trump. Like, there's no way because he's pretty close to that. He wasn't 5'7. Yeah. So it's saying actually he's six foot. So who's closer to six? Hold on.

What's your source? You're just making stuff up. 511. What's your source? I said 511. No, this says around six foot. So we don't know. Hold on.

I'm going to ask Grock. We all agree. We all agree Elon is right about at least 80% of things. Hold on. Grock, how tall was Jeffrey Epstein? Give me the accurate answer, not Mr. Davies's nonsense. Lazy, sloppy nonsense. It's insane.

He's Googling during the show. Okay. So his IMDB lists his height as six. That's probably not the right. No one's ever been six foot flat. No one, that means at most 511, but it might be 5.10. Look at this. CBS, 60 Minutes said that he was 6 foot 6.

This is like we just don't. Yeah, I'm going to give it to Benny. I'm getting so many conflicting reports that I think we just got to wash that question. Like, there's so many different heights that it's showing. I don't, I feel like you're robbing it from Benny, but I'll take it. Where's the odd top of the year? What did Benny say? Six foot?

Well, I said 511, which is not over. So Benny would get it, except no one. But. Have you ever met someone who was actually 16-pies? Exactly. There's photos of him relatively, like, not looking like a midget next to Trump. Yeah. Or Bannon.

Yeah. Or Bill Clinton. You know, he doesn't look at. He's shorter than them, but he's not a mid-nex-down. He's not, yeah, he's not 5-7. 5-7 would be very, would be considerably shorter. Would be Al Pacino style. Yeah.

This is a gentleman's game. So you guys want to just wash this question out, or do you want to go with one of these reports? I want to get a better producer. who can look up the answers first. Give it to Benny. I'm taking the point. I'm taking the point. Give it to Benny.

Yeah, because I'm taking the point. According to the autopsy, nearly six feet, 185 pounds. Nearly. What's nearly? Exactly. That's 511.

10. Is nearly 510 and 9 tenths? Or is it 511? I don't know what it is. So outrageous. Well, hope this next one is correct. What wasn't his body anyway? It's an autopsy.

Yeah, okay. That's right. All right. What extravagant gift did former Obama White House counsel think Uncle Jeffrey for in the released emails? Is it A, a gold-plated picture frame, B, a purse, C, a set of one-of-a-kind pens, or D, artifacts from the Lebanon region? A gold-plated picture frame is not only not luxurious. You can get one for like $11 at T.J. Max. I don't. There's no way it's that, right? Don't you tell me? What extravagant gift did a former Obama White House counsel think, quote, Uncle Jeffrey for in the emails?

Benny, you have yours? All right. Michael, you got yours? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I just got a text that Benny is running away with this, so Michael, you better get this right. Okay.

All right, what do you have? I said Bay Route. It's the Lebanon stuff. You see, it's a bay and then roots. I'm trying to make it interesting. What do you have, Benny? It's Catherine Rumler. It was a Chanel bag.

It was a designer bag. That's correct. It was a White House Counsel. $9,000 purse. I should have guessed that. Those Obama people aren't cultured at all. What do they care about? It was shoes and a watch and a bunch of other stuff, but yeah, purse was in there for sure.

I wonder what kind of watch it was. He wore a fake Vacheron Constantin. He had like a nice, like you'd think it'd be a nice. I saw this on some forum or, like, post. Jeffrey Epstein, a man with an island, had a total knockoff Vashron Constantin Watch. He was a dirty, cheap. Yeah.

I'm sure to think he might have been a swindler. He tipped his, it is amazing how these things, you know, it is amazing how, like, you can tell. You just, like, show me somebody's, show me somebody's, like, tip history on Uber Eats. And I'll, like, tell you so much about, like, who they are. Yeah, especially when they're ordering a lot of beef jerky. You're like, this guy is not good. So he's, so he was tipping like his door dash people like two bucks in the rain.

And it's like you're a billionaire, bro. You know, you can make someone's day, tip him $1,000 or whatever. Yeah, or $3. No, it's like, it's amazing how these people, that Ronald Doll is this great quote. And it's like, if you're ugly on the inside, it'll always manifest on the outside. And so it doesn't matter how beautiful you are, how beautiful you see. start off with, like, you're like horrible, twisted, warped people. There's always something that they're doing on the outside that shows you how sick they are on the inside. And that, like,

when I saw it, like a door dash gets a $2 tip from this billionaire, I'm like, you're scumb. You know, it's like scumbag. No, that's why I try to treat ugly people as poorly as I can because I assume it speaks to some kind of moral perfidy on the inside. So I'll forget about not tipping. I'll hit them. I see them on the street. Speaking of disgusting people. He made the right choice on Whoopi Goldberg. At least he had Jeffrey Epstein. He had getting instincts on Whoopi.

Yeah, that's right. Speaking of gross people in a 2016 letter written for Jeffrey Epstein's 63rd birthday, what did director Woody Allen say dinners at Epstein's home reminded him of? Was it A, a White House state dining room, be a Renaissance court, C, Dracula's Castle, or D, a James Bond, Dylan's lair. It could be two of those. Two of those are plausible. It was B. Renaissance court. C. Now, it was a Dracula's Castle. The correct answer is C, Dracula's Castle. Oh, come on. Really? I thought it would be either a Bond or Renaissance court. It's a very accurate description, too.

Like, leave it, leave it to the, like, leave it to the artist to actually come up with the correct framing for all this. Is it because they were talking about eating children? women. Talking about drinking blood, eating children. Like Woody Allen calling it. Wow. Like calling it from the half court line.

Yeah. It was totally like Dracula's castle. Maybe he was telling us about the jerky. Wow. Yeah. So the weird thing about this, Alex Jones was on me show the other day. And he was like, he's like, he's like,

Dracula. You know, like in the middle of an answer, Alex Jones will just like yell Dracula and you know and vampires. It's awesome. And I'm like, where are you going with this, Alex? And he's like,

well, that's the point about Epstein is that he, is the vampires. And I was like, unpack that. And he goes, well, if you actually go back to Dracula and the real Dracula inside of the, you know, inside of the Romanian, you know, Transylvania is in Romania. And you go back and you trace his lineage. It actually has direct ties to the current royal family. And that's why Prince Andrew was so interested in Epstein.

Because he's a vampire. Oh. And I was like, bro. I'm not going to look into that. I'm just going to choose to believe it. I don't need that. That makes so much sense. It's actually.

Yeah. It's actually perfect. It explains everything. Yeah. These are just literal white walkers among us. And there's just vampires living out of their vampire. Who feed on the blood of young blonde women and on beef jerky. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Number 14. Epstein donated money to which prestigious university after his conviction. Is it A, Yale. B, Princeton. C, Harvard, D. Stanford.

This is after his conviction. The one I was thinking about isn't in the list. We'll see. You were thinking MIT, I bet. He was thinking MIT, but I say it was Harvard. C. What do you have, Benny? I was saying Harvard as well, but I got them.

It's Dracula. No, actually, it is C. Harvard. Yeah. No, you know, say what you will about Yale. They never, they made a lot of missteps over. the years. They never took money from the creepy island petto billionaire super spy. They never took a not a dollar to my knowledge. Vampire. Vampire. Vampire. This is royal vampire. Yeah. All right. Number 15. What is the name of the 72 acre New Mexico property purchased by Epstein in 1998, which is reportedly

being turned into a luxury resort. Gross. What's the name of that place? So is his island. Do you know us? So the island is bought by a hotel group. Yeah. You went there? No, no, I said, we'll get there later. There's a question about it. But do you know the name of the ranch, Michael? Okay, so, you know, Reagan's ranch in California is called Rancho del Cello. And so I suggested Jeffrey Epstein's was Rancho del Hello.

All right, Benny, would have got. Zorro Ranch. Zora, I never would have gotten it. There's still time, Michael, to come back. There's still time. There isn't. Number 16. What is the name?

name of the larger neighboring island, Epstein also purchased. Is it A, great St. Thomas, B, St. C., Great St. C. Great St. James, D. St. Andrew K. I'm taking a guess here. I'm taking a total guess. I don't know. I have not been. I really. He's talking like a kind of guy who's been. You notice that? He's like, I totally, I'm just guessing. I don't know. I haven't been. They're these YouTubers, Tyler Oliver, Luke Rudowski. They're great. And they've like went and broke into the island.

Not while Jeffrey Epstein was in charge of it, but soon after. The temple was all boarded up, which I thought was very interesting. That'd be cool to get into the temple. I heard it was like a piano room or something. What do you have, Michael? I said St. Andrew K. Because I thought the Prince Andrew thing would be a funny tie-in. The correct answer is see great St. James,

the island next to it at the time of his death. Really? Yep. So I got that one? Yeah. I assumed if there's a little St. James, there's, like, the way that the nomenclature works back in the day. Yeah. Like, I assumed there would be like there's a New York, right? There's going to be big and little and they were really out. But I don't get though. Why would you, if your main island is little St. James, and it's off the coast of St. Thomas, if your main island is little St. James, why would you then buy big St. James and not just upgrade to that one? Like, why would you say, like, I only own little St. James when you got the big McGillah? A little St. James had all the tunnels.

Yeah, I guess it's true. It had the pagan temples and stuff. All the tunnels. And Benny's right. They are turning into a luxury resort, which is wild, almost as wild as how much Benny won by in this game. So, Benny, since this is a gentleman's sport,

this doesn't have to end here. You can go double or nothing, all for broke, one last bonus question, only if you want to, because you've already kind of taken away the lead here. Totally, let's go. He's doing it. Okay, here we go. Double or nothing.

At the time of his death in 2019, what was Jeffrey Epstein's reported net worth? Close without going over. If he ends this game at 18 to nothing, that's going to be so sad. And this was the federal prosecutors what they cited. With the time of his death, what was his net worth? Benny, what do you have? I have $3 billion. Total random stab.

$3 billion? I say $382 million. That is a wild difference between you two. The correct answer, according to federal prosecutors cited, the net worth of roughly 577 million in court filings in July 2019. Michael knows so much. He did it. He did it. He did it. I just want to be clear about this.

I'm the greatest to ever do it. I'm the best to ever play this game. I did not know almost anything going in. Benny did all the work. And then a fluke bonus question gets me my points. 18 to nothing. Let's go, baby. Whoa.

Whoa. Buddy, I should have given you a heads up that Michael has won so many of these games on the last bonus question, just with the Hail Mary last one. Whoa. But, hey, I don't care. It's fun. To the winner goes to spoils. So, Benny, will you please, we'll start a clock.

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hanging with Secret Service. If I were Secret Service, I would have shot us that day. But anyway, we lit the cigars with like the little miniature, like, votive Christmas candles that they had, like sitting there for decoration. It's like the decoration candles, we actually swiped a couple of them because nobody had a lighter. It was good. It's one of my favorite Mayflower memories. Never getting invited back. By the way, it was snowing.

It was like snowing, like blizzard-level snow. So it was like epic. It was very beautiful. It was very beautiful. I agree. That was epic. Just like that, Reed, Benny. Thank you so much.

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