The Michael Knowles Show - What Did Megyn Kelly Mean By "The Right Needs To Come Together"?

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

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again celebrating with the now traditional rituals of issuing politically correct corporate press releases and making racist jokes on social media. We will get to why Juneteenth can never actually work. Then, speaking of Black Americans, I want to make sure I have this one right. U.S. Ambassador to the Bahamas, Herschel Walker, warns tourists not. to get sexually assaulted on jet skis. Imagine you got in a time machine. You went back to the 90s and told somebody that that would. Ambassador Herschel Walker, Bahamas raping on jet skis.

We'll get to that momentarily. First, Vice President J.D. Vance offers tough love for the state of Israel and Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, spends her last day in office, revealing that Dr. Fauci actually does bear responsibility for creating COVID. It was basically all Fauci's fault the whole time. Michael Knowles is the Michael Nulls show. Welcome back to the show. Megan Kelly has declared that we all need to come back together on the right in advance of the midterms

and looking ahead to 2028, especially the media figure. years on the right, especially the podcasters and the independent influencer people. They've all gone in a billion different directions, much to my consternation, as I have lamented for months and months now. Megan Kelly coming out saying, hey, you know what, enough is enough. We got to come back together. We will get to Megan's commentary. First, though, can you believe these white honky devils at the Daily Wire are making me work on Juneteenth? Can you believe this? Keeping us a man of swarth down, making us come into work these devils making us come in on George Floyd Day,

completely, completely outrageous, George Floyd Day, which, according to the Federal Register, is the Juneteenth National Independence Day. And, you know, the real problem with Juneteenth, it's in that last part. No one had ever heard of the holiday before, like, five years ago, and then we all had to pretend like we all knew exactly what it was.

And then we had to pretend it was the day that slavery was ended, even though it wasn't. There are multiple days that you could say slavery ended in America and none of them were Juneteen. Wasn't the day that Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, wasn't the day that the 13th Amendment was ratified. It was the day that a mailman got to Texas and told them that slavery had already been abolished or something. So anyway, then we pretended that it was a thing and then it was established as a federal holiday. And it was, I call it George Floyd Day. It actually was in response to the riots and the murders and everything that followed.

in the civil unrest, pushed entirely by the left after George Floyd was killed, resisting arrest, and overdosing on fentanyl at a dosage of four times the lethal limit. So in the spirit of Juneteenth, let's begin with Michelle Obama being insufferable. The Obama's go on Good Morning America on ABC News, and they're asked about the next stage of their life. They've just opened up the Obama presidential center, which looks like a brutalist, communist, gigantic trash can, like literal trash. Like literal trash. can, like Oscar the Grouch trash can in the middle of Chicago. They're launching this hideous center for a hideous political project commemorating their hideous presidency. And they're asked, okay, so what are you doing now? You've been out of office since 2016, 10 years on. What does

the next phase of your life look like? Here's Barack Obama's answer and here's Michelle Obama's answer. One word to describe your next chapter. One word. Fun. Me. That's what you call. Drop the mic. You know what? You seem to be grading her higher on her answer. Everything about this clip just injected straight into my veins.

This confirming every prior I ever had about any of the people or the network involved in that clip. First to Barack. What's this next chapter? Fun. Fun. What does George Bernard Shaw say about hell? I think he says, hell is the place for. where you have nothing to do but amuse yourself. This is going to be fun. Nevertheless,

I don't want to be too harsh on Barack here. That's a fine answer. Okay, I've reached the peak of my career and now I'm going to have some fun. And fun could be selfish, which it probably is with Obama, but fun could be actually self-sacrificial as well. Fun could be supporting the community. You should have fun in your job, in your family life, in your community. You should have fun. You should have delight in your life. even when you're doing hard things. So, okay, I'll give them a pass on that answer. You can't give Michelle Obama a pass,

but you knew exactly what she was going to say. Hey, what's this next chapter about? It's about me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, all through the night. I'm me mine, I'm mine, I mean, mine. And then what is the anchor say? She says, that's what we call a mic drop. Is that a mic drop? Hey, hey, for the rest of my life, I'm going to be really, really selfish

and only think about me, me, me, me, me, me. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Just so. You know what I call that? I call that misery when all you do is think about yourself all the time. And women of a certain age who are liberal, they all say this. And they all think it's good. They do this across races, across geography.

The commonality is liberal women. You heard this from Kim Kardashian. I've heard this from liberal white friends of mine, all of whom are kind of approaching middle age or a little past middle age in some cases. They say, what are you going to focus on now? I'm going to focus on me as if that'll make us happier, as if they've just been so giving of all of their time and all of their energy for all of their lives. They're so put upon. Now they're going to focus on themselves. The irony is, though, when you focus on yourself, you become more miserable.

And when you serve others, you actually do have delight. is you know that you're doing something good and because you're acting in charity, charity, which is the most important of the virtues. I'm going to focus on me, me, me. And this actually does tie into Juneteenth, not just because the Obamas are black. It ties into Juneteenth.

And Juneteenth will not work. Juneteenth is a failure of a holiday and it will always be politically correct corporate press releases that we all roll our eyes at and people making racist jokes online. It will always be that. And the reason it will always be that is not even because of the Juneteenth part of the holiday.

It's that second part where they say this is the National Independence Day. Hold up. Hold up. We already have a National Independence Day. It's the 4th of July. The fact that radical left-wing activists with complete loser-squish Republicans supporting them really, really promoted Juneteenth, not even just sort of tolerated at Lettico, but really promoted Juneteenth is as an alternative to the 4th of July.

It's to say the Fourth of July is not good enough. It's to say that the American Revolution is not good enough. It's to say that our founding fathers are not good enough. They were liars. They were deceivers. They were slavers. They were terrible selfish men. And the real Independence Day is just later.

It's at some nebulous date in the future. The real Independence Day is when black people, I mean, it's a kind of racial grievance more broadly, but it's instantiated in black people. it's when they finally threw over the yoke of those racist white oppressors, namely the people who were the founding fathers and the framers and the early settlers and all of the statesmen in America who have a traditional understanding of the country. It was always an anti-American holiday based in racial grievance specifically, progressive liberalism more generally. and immediately it was based on the mythology of George Floyd.

That's where it comes from. That's why you can call it George Floyd Day. And the mythology of George Floyd was grounded in a lie. And at the most basic level, it's a celebration of criminality, racial grievance, and drug overdoses. And subsequently murders and riots and looting. So it just doesn't work. It's not going to, you can't have a national holiday that is totally opposed to the nation itself. That requires a political revolution that the left is seeking to effect, but the American people aren't there for it.

Because the American people are still waving their flags on the 4th of July. The American people across races, across demographics are electing Donald Trump with the popular vote. Trump wins an historic percentage of the black vote, the black vote, which by the way is the most stubborn in giving up on Trump. other demographics have declined in their support of Trump. Oddly enough, black men in particular have stuck around. It's just not going to work. Sorry. Now, turning to better black politicians than the Obama's, Ambassador Herschel Walker is warning tourists in the Bahamas not to get raped on jet skis.

Hello, I'm Ambassador Herschel Walker. I have an important message for Americans visiting or living in the Bahamas. The beautiful waters here are one of the reasons people live. love to visit these islands. But I need to warn you about some serious dangers associated with renting jet skis and small watercrafts and swimming at beaches where jet skis and small watercrafts are being operated in shadow waters,

particularly around NASA and Paradise Island. We've lost America's lives to preventable accidents. Multiple visitors have been hospitalized. America have also been sexual assaulted by jet ski operators who take victims to isolated islands. Many of watercrafts are unsafe and operators are unlicensed and uninsured. That's why U.S. government employees are banned from renting or riding jet skis. Okay, so he has a real point here, which is, like this is a real problem, actually, and so if you're an American going to the Bahamas, don't try not to be assaulted renting a jet ski.

That's actually a real point. But the reason that that clip is going viral is, is because it's kind of weird, right? You wouldn't, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, no one could have imagined that one day, President Donald Trump's, first part, ambassador to the Bahamas Herschel Walker, would be warning Americans not to get raped on jet skis. It's just, it's like a madlib.

It's, you remember madlibs when you were in school and you'd fill in, fill in a weird noun and a weird verb and a weird, that we're living in that. We're living in a mad lib and the libs are really mad coincidentally about it. So the reason that has political import beyond just being kind of weird is it reminds us that one of the chief errors that people make in politics is a failure of imagination. People just get stuck in a rut in politics. They think that the circumstances in politics to which they have become accustomed are some eternal truths. That the Republican nominee for president is always going to kind of look like Mitt Romney

and kind of talk like Mitt Romney. That the Democrats are always going to, you know, they're going to be a little out there, but they're not going to really like hate America or anything like that. And that's not true. I mean, you had, just to go back to the Obamas, Barack Obama ran for president running against America, saying he wanted to fundamentally transform it. And in response to him, the GOP did not nominate another.

Mitt Romney or John McCain or Bob Dole or a Bush or, you know, there was a kind of a mold for Republican politicians. Trump totally broke that mold. And we actually can do things. We can change things. We have a lot more political power than we thought that we did. You hear the left, which is always trying to subvert our institutions of government and undermine our constitutional order and all the rest, try to try to create a new independence day. They're so radical. They even be content with the 4th of July. They need to make a new 4th of July based on left-wing racial grievance. The left is always seeking to do that. And a lot of conservatives and Republicans have felt constrained. No, no, no, we have to maintain the precise status quo in geopolitics or in

immigration or in economic policies. We're just bound to do it. And often they'll retrospectively backfill a lot of principles or something. We'll get to this in a moment. Ross Douth, the conservative at the New York Times, which is grilling J.D. Vance on the change in tone brought about by the Trump movement. And Vance, I think, had a very good answer on it. But we can do stuff, guys. Politics is not static. If you don't like the way politics is going, you can just change it. You're not, you are not powerless. There is a kind of op that has made us feel powerless, and ironically, the op is to make us focus on individual liberty. The intense focus in recent decades from the conservative movement, an individual liberty has had this paradoxical, maybe intentional

effect of having us give up on a higher kind of liberty, which is political liberty. It's the liberty, the exalted freedom that Edmund Burke is talking about, the father of Anglo-American conservatism. So we focus on individual liberty, and then we use those libertarian pseudo-principals to come out and say, well, we can never, we said this in 2016, we can never regulate Facebook or Google, you know, these big institutions that control our public square, they're silencing. We can't regulate them. You know, we have to just build your own Google, build your own Facebook. We can't let the government come in and regulate them. We, no, no, no, that would be, we would be violating our principles of individual liberty. We'd be giving up the greater political

liberty. But the founding fathers were not radical libertarians. The founding fathers created a new country. It gave us a new constitution and curtailed individual liberty substantially to give states some liberty, to give a national government some liberty, to create a country. We can do that. That's the spirit of an exalted freedom that we should think about on the real Independence Day, not the fake one that we pretend to celebrate today. Okay. Now, speaking of American involvement overseas, Tulsi Gabbard, you want to talk about a real mic drop, Tulsi Gabbard, dropping the mic on her way out of the DNI office. First, I want to tell you about Hillsdale. Go to hillsdale.org.org, KNAW, LAS, Homer, Augustin, Dante, Chaucer.

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She's not doing so because she's running for some other office. She's leaving under very sad circumstances, which is that her husband is fighting an aggressive form of cancer. So as she is heading out, her last day in office, she drops a bombshell we have been waiting for six years. Before the COVID pandemic, Dr. Fauci, as head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, provided millions in U.S. taxpayer dollars to fund dangerous gain of function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, work which is now widely viewed as the source

of the unintentional lab leak that sparked the pandemic. Now, in support of President Trump's maximum transparency mandate, today, on my final day as Director of National Intelligence, I'm releasing never-before-seen communications and documents that expose exactly how Fauci worked with politicized career leadership in the intelligence community to suppress the truth about his actions, the virus's lab leak origins, and his role in directing U.S. funding for this dangerous research that caused immeasurable harm and countless lost lives.

Now, these documents expose Fauci's direct role in influencing and manipulating IC assessments on COVID-19 and how Fauci lied to Congress in 2024 when under oath he denied knowledge of or participation in discussions with intelligence officials about viral research. The video goes on, I encourage you to watch it and then dig into some of these documents. What was it? Five years ago, six years ago, whenever it was. We released a series. I released a series on Daily Wire. It's still available called Fauci Unmasked. At a time when you were weren't really allowed to question his, his excellency, the imperial leaded Dr. Verci, in which I said, hey, we have been told time and time again that Fauci had absolutely nothing to do with the research

that started COVID. And yet, what about this little smoking gun? What about this little document from Peter Dashak, where he's funding similar research, at least somewhere nearby? And hold on, it seems to me, we know that Fauci lied to us about the masks and the social distancing and the efficacy of the vaccines and the safety of the vaccine. So it seems to me it's not a crazy leap to suggest he's lying about this to Tulsi now giving us proof on her way out of office. Why does this matter? Practically speaking, for Dr. Fauci, it doesn't matter. And that's very frustrating. We can't actually prosecute him right now. He's past his window. It would be basically impossible to hold Fauci personally to account for his actions. We know that that window passed.

months ago. So why is it important to focus on this? Because this is the Libs M.O. And this is how they accumulate power. They do bad things or make bad predictions to justify they're doing bad things in the future. And then we come and we say, hey, that's not true. Hey, you acted wrongly here. Hey, your prediction's false. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. And then the entire institution of the liberal order, the academy and the scientists and the media and the politicians, they all come down, they say, that's not true. You're lying. You're stupid. You're a danger. You're a threat to democracy. We're going to censor you. We're going to kick you off social media. We're going to suppress your show. We're going to prosecute you in some cases. That isn't true, isn't true, isn't true.

And then six years later, we're proven right. Or 10 years later or 20 years later in some cases, were proven right. But by that time, the left has already moved on to the next hoax. So we need to establish this firmly here. Send it to your friends. Make it very clear. Fauci lied about basically everything. Fauci was directly personally involved in the research that started COVID at the place where COVID started using your taxpayer dollars. He lied about it to Congress. The entire liberal apparatus lied about it to you. He conspired with the intelligence community, according to the director of national intelligence.

It was all fake. It was all a lie. And you were punished so that these bad people could cover up for their bad actions that screwed up your life and made your parents die alone in a hospital and stopped your kid from having prom in high school graduation and an education that didn't. delayed people getting married, that messed up the economy, that screwed up your career and on and on and on for years. That's what happened. And there is no ambiguity. There is no questioning about it. It's not just a podcast host making a series.

It's the DNI. It's the Director of National Intelligence saying all of that happened. And you are right to be angry about that. And the question you should be asking is, what are they doing now? What is the what is the version of that now? It's not just Fauci. It's been six years since COVID, six years since the year of our Floyd. It's been 20 years since Al Gore released his Academy Award-winning PowerPoint presentation and inconvenient truth. ABC News is celebrating this. They say the scientists have been right about climate change all along, says former Vice President Al Gore on the 20th anniversary of the release of an inconvenient truth. The Oscar-winning documentary about Gore's campaign to educate people about climate change. A big picture of Al Gore, scientists were dead right. Okay.

Okay. There is a great, great essay out by Bjorn Lomburg, who is the former director of the Danish government's Environmental Assessment Institute in Copenhagen, pointing out that the core narrative of the film, of an inconvenient truth 20 years ago, was that climate change is driving ever-worsening disasters such as floods, droughts, storms, and wildfires. Mr. Lomburg points out over the past century, even as the global population quadrupled, deaths from climate-related disasters plummeted. They have declined by over 97%. It's not that they went up, even as the global population massively increased. They declined,

almost entirely. How about on the hurricanes? Al Gore's movie said hurricanes were going to become more frequent and stronger. According to global data, there has actually been a decline in hurricane frequency and their total energy, their total strength since comprehensive satellite data began in 1980. How about the wildfires? We were told the wildfires, we're going to get so much worse. Globally, annual burned area from wildfires has declined, not increased, declined by more than 25% over the last quarter century, over almost exactly the period since Al Gore made his stupid predictions. Well, we know the image from inconvenient truth. One of the most heartbreaking predictions that Al Gore makes is the polar bear. The poor polar bear is going to

disappear because of the melting of Arctic ice. Polar bear populations in 1960 were about 12,000. There were over 26,000 today. Not only has the population not disappeared, it's more than doubled. Hey, you know what, Al Gore's got one last defense. What he's going to say is, I know what he's going to say. He's going to say, well, the reason that my predictions didn't come true. Well, actually, what he's going to say is he's just going to lie about it. But if he had to answer for all of those facts, what he would say, if I were him, is he would say, well, the reason that those predictions haven't come true is because we've done so much to reduce the carbon emissions and burning fossil fuels and the effects of climate change. And that is why, because of my movie, I saved the world,

I, St. Al Gore. That didn't happen either. In 2006, the world got 82.6% of its total energy, total energy, not just electricity from fossil fuels, according to the International Energy Agency. Almost 20 years later, do you know what the number is? Do you know what percentage of our total energy we get from fossil fuels. It was 82.6. Today it's 81.1. It's a rounding error of difference. It's exactly the same almost.

And yet, none of the predictions came true. The opposite of the predictions happened. And it wasn't just, you know, whoopsie days, yeah, well, how well-intentioned Al Gore was. It was less acutely felt than the lockdowns during COVID, but nevertheless, these people screwed up our lives because of their stupid lies about global warming. These people messed up our lives, right down to taking away our light bulbs.

They took away our light bulbs, the nice incandescent light bulbs. They took those away for the poisonous mercury light bulbs and the ugly LED light bulbs. They messed that up. They hiked up energy prices. They took your taxpayer dollars and subsidized a bunch of stupid vehicles in the name of climate change. They hiked up your prices on a lot of things. They put up those ugly windmills, which were just payoffs to their friends. different industries. They used the supposedly existential threat of global warming to clamp down

steal more power in the government to regulate your lives more. They did that. And it was all fake. It was all a lie. It's not that the weather doesn't change. It's not that there aren't even macro trends over not just decades, but centuries. Sure, that's all true. But what Al Gore predicted and what all the scientists said with the UN and the institutions and the academy and the media and the politicians. It was just fake. It was not only not true, it was the opposite of the truth. And none of them will face any consequences for it. None of them will even admit to it. They'll all get off scot-free. And more importantly for us, they're going to do it again. Are we going to be awake to that this time? I hope so. All right. Speaking of nature,

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Do not miss an episode. The big takeaway from COVID, from the global warming stuff, the big takeaway is that the ordinary people were right and the elites who sneered and condescended were wrong and really lied in many cases. That's the ordinary people knew that the Sun Monster wasn't going to kill us all in 10 years. Ordinary people knew that. Al Gore's friends eating, caviar and sipping on Shabli, they did not know that or they pretended not to know that, but the ordinary people knew that. And the ordinary people were called stupid, uneducated, rubs, bitter clangers. Same goes for COVID. Ordinary people knew that hankies in six feet of distance don't prevent you from contracting a virus. Fauci lied and said they do. Ordinary people knew

that our funding, Fauci's funding, of places like the Wuhan Institute of Virology were more likely the origins of the virus, then a bad batch of bat soup at the Wuhan wet market. Ordinary people knew that. The sneering liberal elites told us that was a lie, and they silenced us when we said that. And the ordinary people were right. So on the wisdom of the ordinary people, really good question from Ross Douthith, who's the conservative at the New York Times, interviewing the vice president, on the tone of Trumpism. Listen to J.D.'s answer. And then, you know, let's be honest, the tone of the administration is not consistently a Christian tone. There is a tone of aggressive uncharity to people who aren't on board

with the administration's policies. So I would describe those as three areas where the administration has felt functionally post-Christian to me. And I'm curious what you think. Well, so on the first point, well, sorry, the third point, I want to address first. You can work backward. Sometimes people are going to say jokes that are taken out of context. Sometimes people are going to make mistakes. I'm not saying, I make mistakes. I talk about this in the book a little. In my book, Communion, available where books are sold, I talk about the own mistakes that I've made as a Christian leader in America. There is an apology. My point is that the tone argument is in some ways, I think, people see what they want to see. And I also think that tonal arguments are ways of frankly policing, working.

working class ways of communication and covering them in elite preferences. There is the killer line. And there's where you see the vice president is very good, you may have noticed, I certainly noticed, at speaking in plain terms to normal people who don't spend their lives thinking about public policy and political philosophy. But you see that the keen appreciation of political philosophy and ideological movements, you see it come out sometimes. And that's a line of that. J.D. says, you know, this tone policing, sorry, these tonal arguments are a way of policing

the communication of working class Americans. And, you know, curiously, some of the more establishment right-wingers have a problem with what J.D. is saying here. They say, well, you sound like those woke people who talk about tone policing, black people, or Hispanic people or the LGBT community. This idea of tone policing. You're adopting a left-wing framework here. And to that, I would say, hold on.

J.D. didn't bring up the question. The question came from Ross Douthett at the New York Times, and it was a good question. Doubtthet is saying, should you guys, should you in the Trump administration, adopt a nicer tone? It seems, at least more Christian. And J.D.'s answer is, yeah,

When people are making those tonal arguments, it's because you don't like what ordinary people. Look, nobody is ordinary in the sense that every person is an individual. God makes every person personally. And God has a role for each of us in his providence. So in that way, there's no ordinary people. But what we are calling ordinary people are often wiser and make better points than the really sophisticated elites who never use that nasty tone. I'll give you, here, let me bring it to Earth. Here's a clear example.

fancy elites don't use the word retard. They don't call people retards. They don't say things are retarded. Ordinary people, working class people, the hoi-poly, the unwashed masses that the institutional elites look down their noses on. Ordinary people do use the word retard and they call their friends retards and they say that things are retarded. and elite people justify, celebrate, write whole ideological manifestos about how great it would be to murder all of the retarded people in the womb. Have you noticed that? They won't say retard, but they will openly advocate and will actually commit a mass murder of retards.

Ordinary people will say, hey, buddy, you're retarded. But you know what? by and large, generally speaking, in my experience, talking to normal people, they don't think that we should murder all of the retarded people in the womb. How odd is that? In that case, tone and virtue are running in completely opposite directions. The people who have the really nice Christian-sounding tone are using that tone to mask enormous evil. And the people who are a little rougher around the edges in the way they talk, those people are using more. blunt language, but they are not promoting enormous evil. They are, by and large, promoting

far greater virtue. That is the key here. That's what we're getting. And this is true of the Trump administration. Barack Obama, we've seen the Obama's on display again because they're opening their hideous library. And the Obama administration is absolutely, was buttoned up on tone. Barack Obama, he studied political rhetoric. There's no red America. There's no blue America. There's no Blue America? We're going to fundamentally transform this country. Now, when he said, I want to fundamentally transform this country, he didn't say, I hate all of you people, and I hate this disgusting country, and the founding fathers were evil, and we're going to undo their project. He didn't say that. That would have been blunt. That would have been a lower tone. He had a high tone,

but his project was really awful. The Obama project of murdering a ton of babies, throwing open our borders, undermining the will of the American voter and his rights, mocking Christian, as bitter clingers, cling into their guns and their Bibles, redefining marriage, all of these things. Later on, going to promote the castration of little children, these are horribly evil. And yeah, Trump, you know what, he kind of makes fun of people's faces sometimes. He kind of makes fun of the way they look sometimes.

But you know what? He's the first sitting president to show up to the March for Life. You know what? He stopped the castration of kids. You know what? He closed the border. And all the face tattooed gangsters and rapists and murderers who were coming across. You know what? Sometimes virtue and tone run in the opposite direction.

And I think we can get some biblical wisdom here out of the gospel to point out that it's not always the person who is saying the right things, who's doing the will of the father. But it's more the person who is doing the right things. Okay, before we, I know we have to get to mailbag. I know I'm running late. I can't head out though before I take on this super viral clip, also involving J.D. Vance, which is taking questions for from the White House press corps in the briefing room and getting a little harsh on the state of Israel. What I will say, and this does bother me, is that you've seen people within BB's cabinet who have come out and attack the deal and in some ways very personally attack the president of the United States. And I guess my message to them would be twofold. Number one, Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world

who is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world. There are a lot of people, there are a lot of people for whom support of Israel is the top political issue, or one of the top political issues, who are furious at what the vice president is saying. and yet I have to ask them, and this is coming from someone who is broadly pro-Israel, as you may have noticed, I have to ask those people, what did he say that wasn't true?

Show me the lie from J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance was given a little tough love here, but show me the lie. The state of Israel relies upon the United States for its military. The state of Israel relies upon the United States for even in the United States. for even its perceived legitimacy as a nation because so many in Europe, big factions in the United Kingdom even, and certainly throughout the rest of the world, don't even think the Israeli state is a legitimate state. And many of them are trying to prosecute the government through the international criminal court. And the United States is saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not true. The state is legitimate, according to the UN declarations, according to a war of conquest, according to the Balfour Declaration.

You can't do that. But the United States is providing the protection for the state of Israel. And Trump is the most pro-Israel president probably we've ever had, so much so he has a town named after him in Israel. And probably, practically speaking, not the smartest move for the pro-Israel side to come out attacking Trump like this over a peace deal, which even Israeli officials are acknowledging is in the interests of the United States. Probably not the smartest idea. I don't think it's good as a matter of justice, but even just for, from the self-interest of the state of Israel, probably not the smartest idea. You can be upset with the vice president for saying it, but can you point out any flaw in his reasoning? I can't really. It doesn't have to be this crazy divide you see in the media. Israel's the worst state ever in the whole history of the world and yada, yada, yada,

or Israel's the greatest ally and our interests are always perfectly aligned. You can just have like a normal view. You're allowed to have a normal view. And I think you should. And I think that's better in the long run for everybody. Which is why the U.S. is signing this MOU. By the way, very curious, I didn't see anyone pick up on this. But the White House posted a picture of President Trump signing the memorandum of understanding on the Iran War. Notice who's in the memorandum. This is President Donald J. Trump signs the Iran Memorandum of Understanding peace through string.

It's Trump and Rubio. A lot of people right now are trying to pin the whole MOU on J.D. Vance, which might actually redound as political benefit because I think most people in America want to see the end of the war. But they're putting all their criticism about the MOU on Vance because they don't want to attack Trump. They don't have the guts to attack Trump. And what's ironic about it is many people who were making the argument at the start of the Iran war that the critics of the Iran War didn't have the guts to actually blame Trump. They were trying to blame, you know, wicked advisors around him. Now that same crew is doing the same thing with the end of the Iran War.

And it was unclear. Is the White House trying to leave, put JD out to dry here? Are they trying to put it on JD? Trump joked about that. He said, if it works out, I'll take the credit. If it doesn't work out, I'll put the blame on JD. But notice, the White House here is making clear. No, no, no. This is not just a JD Vance thing. It's not just a Jared Kushner thing. It's not just a Steve Wickhoff thing. This is a Trump thing. Trump is signing this MOU. And by the way, I'm putting the other big figure in the administration standing right behind me, Marco Rubio. You're not going to create a division here, Vance versus Rubio or Trump is out of the loop or whatever. No, no, no. You're only getting in the picture. Trump and Rubio signing the Iran MOU. A message clear as day. This administration is unified on this policy. Buck stops with the president. Get on board. Very, very clear. Picture tells a thousand words. Clever, clever picture. Okay, I know I'm running late. I know I'm running late. I don't care, though. Before we get to the mailbag, I have to get to this clip from Megan. Megan was talking to Emily Jushinsky on Emily's show on Megan's network.

And amid all of this talk about the Iran war wrapping up and the midterms and J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio and Oz, Megan says the right needs to come back together. My ultimate feeling is we need to come back together. Like, I still see the left, and not everybody on the left. You know, my mom, my mom is still a registered Democrat, but like the left incorporated as the real enemy, the ones who are celebrating the Charlie assassination. That's the real enemy.

And the right is going to need to come back together. You know, I, we have to find our way back to each other. And there have been a lot of people who are very, very neo-coni and pro-Israel and pro this war with whom I am in touch and with whom I text regularly. And we've kind of quietly agreed, to like keep the porch light on for each other because the right is going to have to come back together after this is over and before the next elections or we're never going to win any more elections again.

This very controversial statement is obviously correct. She's obviously right. This is a very, very important point. And I've talked about it constantly. This is a point that, Charlie was extremely insistent upon and was very good at actually doing something about because his greatest contribution to politics was keeping that coalition together, including excluding really bad toxic elements, but keeping together people who really, really hated each other. That is obviously the case. I talked about this yesterday in the show. You cannot have a political coalition where the minute one part of the coalition doesn't get its way, it takes the ball and goes home. And there are going to be all sorts of recriminations and accusations on all sides.

They're going to say, no, it was the opponents of the Iran war who broke up the coalition. And then the opponents of the Iran war are going to say, no, it was the proponents of the Iran war that broke up the coalition. And you wouldn't take us back. And you wouldn't take us back. And you were mean, and you said this nasty thing to me. And what did Vance say the other day? I thought this was so good. He said, look, it is just a fact. The coalition that Donald Trump, that elected Donald Trump includes people like Joe Roe. Rogan and Tucker Carlson, and also Mark Levine and even like John Podhoritz. And those guys might all hate each other. Those guys might, those, the people who are attracted to those shows might all

sort of hate each other. That's just an historical fact. And the American right has always included all these little factions, the neocons and the paleocons and the libertarians and the traditionalists and religious right and all these groups that don't even agree together on that much. But the question you have to ask yourself is, is the chief threat to what you, want in your actual practical politics is that chief threat Mark Levin or Megan Kelly? Or is the chief threat the left, which openly calls for your murder and your censorship and your suppression and which celebrates the murder of prominent, centrist, moderate, gracious, conservatives like Charlie. What's the real threat? You don't have to like Mark Levine.

You don't have to like Megan Kelly for that matter. But when we're talking about real politics, if the right is to be a real force that wins over voters, that maintains or reestablishes a similar version too, the Trump Coalition that even won the popular vote, it's going to include people that you really, really don't like and that you disagree on vehemently on certain issues. Are you willing to do that? Are the various factions willing to do that? That's what Megan's asking. But you can't attack the point that she's making.

the point that she's making is the right will either comprise lots of groups that kind of dislike each other and disagree on major issues or there will not be a right that is a potent force. There will be some loser fake rump right. There will be some loser group that plays the junior partner in the political projects that the Democrats always win and our whole job is to just legitimize the liberal establishment and be good little losers. We can either be that or we can do the thing that Trump did and that he's trying to maintain,

which is pull in lots of different people. and actually win and actually do something. And with a group that is so intellectually diverse as ours is, that's going to irritate different parts of the coalition. What are we going to do? Are we going to stay together? Are we going to have a legitimate, forceful, powerful, right wing?

I hope so. That's what I'm after. I hope so. Okay, it's time for the mailbag. My favorite comment yesterday comes from Spotify. You know, I get comments on YouTube and on Spotify? Well, the comments on Spotify are very, very good. And this is from Child of God,

who says, who do you all like better, Matt Walsh or Michael Knowles? Answer, answer very carefully, whether you're on YouTube or Spotify. The way that you all answer will almost certainly determine whether or not I keep picking comments from Spotify or if I go back to YouTube. Answer, be very careful in your answer. Finally, finally, we've arrived. My favorite time of the week when I get to hear from you in the mailbag. The mailbag is sponsored by Pure Talk.com.com to make the switch today. Hi, Michael.

This is Megan from the Crimdilla Crem. with another dating question. I recently went on a date with a guy and I mentioned the Michael Nulls show and he had never heard of it. And so I sent him a link to the show that had my last voicemail bag and then he ghosted me.

So my question is how early should I bring up the Michael Nulls show? And if the guy has not heard of the Michael Null's show, do I just leave right then or do I ghost him after the date? Oh, good point.

I like that idea that you bring up at the end. You should ghost him. Well, no, you shouldn't ghost him if he's never heard of the Michael. That's okay. It's okay not to have heard of it. Actually, apparently it was difficult for some people to get the episode of the show the other day on one of the platforms. And you know the show was heavily suppressed during COVID. We were talking about Foucher earlier.

So I'll give a little grace on that if you never heard of it. But you want to find a way to ghost him and punish him if he's heard of it and doesn't like. it. You know, if he listens to an episode, you say, I'd never heard of it. He sounds like some kind of normie, kind of lib guy. You send him an episode, and he immediately says, this woman, I can't. This woman is too smart for me or something. He was too scandalized by it. I would say, the ideal time to bring up the Michael Noles show, and your role as a member of the Crem de la Crem is into the date right after the appetizer has been served.

So you're right at the beginning, but you're kind of pot committed, you're already paying for food, you bring it up. And you can either delight together in your shared enjoyment of the truth, or you can watch him squirm the whole time. And you can mock him for being a squishy lib. Can I cuck? Can I say, I don't know. It was some kind of just, you know, like a, you'll enjoy that. Okay, next question. Hey, Michael, long time listener, first time caller.

My question is about my brother. Him and his boyfriend are coming to visit from Los Angeles. Now, I live in upstate New York, so I don't actually see him that often. As a matter of fact, I don't actually speak to him that often either. My wife and I are practicing Catholics. We go to a traditional Latin Mass every Sunday. We have an almost two-year-old daughter. It's basically the most important thing in our lives.

My question is about how to navigate this visit. I want to be charitable. I want to be friendly, but I also don't want to be. to condone or celebrate the sin. And my question is, how do I navigate this family dynamic that I have going on? Well, you could navigate your brother and his boyfriend up the stairs and then just chuck them off the roof or something. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. Don't do that. Do not. No, chucking your brother and his boyfriend off the roof. Do not do. I don't think you were tempted to do that anyway. But it's a, jokes aside, it's a real issue, largely because of the kids, because you don't want to

you don't want to scandalize a kid and you don't want to introduce an issue that they're too young to process. So what do you do about that? Well, some would say, well, sorry, your brother can't come or he's got to leave the boyfriend at home or whatever. You know, okay, that's one way of dealing with it. Family is very important, though, and I don't think you want to disown your brother or anything like that. So it seems to me, taking a broader historical perspective, before the sexual revolution and all the lavender rights movements and all that, there are always people who are a little bit off, you know, a little bit different, had different views and aberrant and deviant views. There were funny uncles throughout all of history, you know, confirmed bachelors, let's say.

And so I guess the ground rules to establish would be, this was so much easier when people were just a little more close to the vest about these things. But the ground rules to establish would be, you know, you want to see your brother, you want to, he's bringing his buddy over. Okay, that's one thing. But they got to be cool about it. You know, they can't be. no you know there's no kissing at the dinner table okay and and so if if if your brother is willing to be restrained about his relationship and the way he's living his life if he's willing to be restrained and tactful about it that's one thing and therefore you are being uh you know accommodating of him as well but it's you know it's a very dynamic situation because if he's going

to walk in wearing the rainbow flag you know singing the village people or something then you you're probably not going to be able to tolerate that. It's really about how moderate and subtle he can be about it. That's how this issue was handled for all of history. Going back, there are plays written about this in the Renaissance. So I think you don't need to take a firm ideological position or something. You just have to make sure that he's not being ideological about it either. Okay, next question. Hi, Michael. My name is Lisa. I've been a really big fan of your show for a long time. And first of all, unrelated to my questions is I wanted to say that Matt is totally wrong about the aliens.

You are definitely more on the right track. Okay. So my questions are, first of all, is abortion murder? And secondly, should our laws reflect blanket immunity for the mothers who abort their babies? Now, these are kind of loaded questions, but kind of not. Because after Rovi-Wade, of course, all of this decision-making on the laws goes back to the states. And so I've been working with my rosy red state of Missouri. And I'm finding out that at least the pro-life leaders in my own state are not willing to even call abortion murder anymore.

And they have also signed in writing and in testimony saying that they will not pursue criminalizing women who abort their babies under any circumstances. So that's a little bit of context. Is abortion murder? and should our laws reflect blanket immunity for all women who have abortions? Thank you. Keep doing your great work. Great questions. The first answer is yes.

Abortion is murder, obviously. And the second question is, the answer is, yeah, probably, but not for the reasons they think. Should our laws offer immunity to women who kill their kids? as you say the pro-life leaders in your state. The pro-life leaders, no less, say they will not pursue prosecuting women who kill their babies through abortion. And so should they be allowed to do that?

Or should we punish the women and put them in jail for life or something? And the answer, as far as I see it, is, yeah, we probably should not prosecute women for having abortions, probably. It's certain right now, probably. But not for the reasons they think. Not because women haven't committed

a crime by killing their kids or committed a gravely immoral act, but just because, practically speaking, it's going to be harder to get pro-life laws passed. It's going to be harder to protect babies if you, if you threaten women with prosecution for having abortions. And two, as a matter of mercy, a lot of women have been propagandized for their whole lives to be told that abortion is not really murder, and it's just a clump of cells, and it's ethically meaningless. And so, you know, as St. Thomas points out in the Summa Theologia, people are at different degrees of verse. virtue in society. And if your laws are too stringent, you can actually make the situation worse by sort of cracking people beyond their limits. So just as a practical matter, you are not going to

protect as many babies if you prosecute women for having abortions. But we don't want to argue past reason here. You know, the reason not to prosecute women for killing their kids is because in some cases they're ignorant, in some cases they're pressured into it. And because it will have a negative political effect in politics as a practical art. So that's why. It's a matter of mercy and prudence. It's not a matter of justice. In the course of justice, people who kill their kids would all be punished for it. But as in the matter of mercy and prudence, and actually having a better effect, maybe they wouldn't be. But that's an indulgence. That's not a matter of justice. Okay. I know I'm running late. I don't care. Last question.

Hey Michael, this is Jordan from the Republic of Texas, and I think it's time that you need to stop supporting your gay little team up in New York and embrace the only true faith in family anti-pride team in the Texas Rangers, the 2023 world champion Texas Rangers who have won a World Series more recently than the New York Yankees. So we're going to welcome you with open arms. See you there, Michael. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for that question. I didn't end up getting to the Yankee Pride story. The Yankees are promoting Stonewall Inn now. The Yankees are not only posting some gay stuff to Twitter,

they're promoting Stonewall Inn, which was this filthy mafia-run bar and sex club that was best known for assaulting police officers and spreading hepatitis. And they're promoting this as though it were some great thing for Pride Months. So I didn't cover that story, and I don't intend to. Because I'm not a lib. I'm not going to go,

I can't just like root for some team that I, in a state that I don't have a personal connection to. And the Yankees are the winningest sports franchise, greatest, and very conservative, relatively sports franchise in history. So I'm not, I can't give up on them. I just have to hope that the end of June comes soon. Okay, the rest of the show continues. Now, it's fake headline Friday.

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