The Michael Knowles Show - YES or NO | Real Answers and Real Drinks with MATT WALSH

Episode Date: June 5, 2021

Matt Walsh sits down with Michael Knowles to see how well they think they know each other. They must choose "Yes" or "No" when it comes to aliens, The Pope, and if all parties involved in Porn should be arrested. Check it out! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

My friend Matt Walsh and I have known each other for a long time at this point. However, only recently have we moved to the same town, spent a little more time together. And so now I want to test how well we really know one another. The game, very simple. Each of us has a drink. I'll let you guess who's is who's. I think it's pretty obvious at this point. I've got the martini. Matt, you've got the beer. We're going to read a prompt and then guess how the,

other person would respond to that prompt. I think I got it. You think you got it. And then if you get it wrong, you got to drink. I mean, well, that's fine. That's fine. They were trying to get me to go just straight whiskey for this game. And I thought, it's 3 o'clock in afternoon right now, so we're going to be a little bit more. Three o'clock in the afternoon in Nashville. Yeah, that's true.

But what time is it in Dubai? I don't know. It's like in the middle of the night over there. That's good point. You could do that. I also feel, it might be at a bit of a disadvantage because this is basically, you know, the way I make a martini is I put. pour cold gin into a glass while looking at a bottle of vermouth on the other side of the room. So this is a very boozy cocktail. Well, I'm at a disadvantage because I would probably do poorly in this game with anyone, because I don't know anything about anyone or pay attention to anyone because I'm a narcissist and a sociopath. So that's the disadvantage I'm at.

Cheers to that. All right. We have a little sip just to begin. Okay. Well, to being a narcissist and a sociopath? To being a narcissist and a sociopath. So I don't have to chug the entire thing for each wrong answer. No, no.

That would make it interesting. Yes, that would. Okay, I'll go first. Wearing glasses makes people appear more intelligent. Oh, is that? So what am I supposed to do here? So you've got a guess. You already have, you've had one sip of beer.

You have to guess how I would respond to that prompt. And I will guess how you would respond to that prompt. So, for instance, you are wearing. wearing glasses. So I think it's safe to say you would agree with that prompt. So I've moved yours to the yes. Okay. Now you've got to move my- Oh, do you agree with that prompt? Yes. Let's start over, explain the whole game again. Yeah, so basically these are glasses of alcohol. So, okay, I'm going to say, you'll say no because you're, because you could wear glasses, but you don't wear glasses most of the time. You know what? Yeah. I think absolutely glasses do

make you look smarter. Now, do you know why I don't wear them all the time? Why? Because when I wear the glasses, I look exactly like Rachel Maddow. And I, this is no joke. Ben Shapiro came up to me one time. He goes, Michael, you got to lose the glasses. I said, what are you talking about? He said, conservative, conservatives don't wear the glasses. I said, yes? I said, yeah. I said, yeah, I said, this is actually, it didn't even occur to me at this point, because you were still stuck in the car in the middle of the woods. I said, no, plenty of political people on TV wear glasses. He said who? I said, you know, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Matthews, Chris Hayes, there was all the libs. I couldn't name a single conservative on TV. You might be the one exception. Only the libs wear glasses. I never thought of it. Only the libs, because we can see so clearly ourselves.

So that means I got it wrong. You got it wrong. You have to drink. I'll drink in solidarity. All right. Do you have a reset over here? You have context? Oh yeah, I can barely say. See, everything's blurry, but I just want to look like a conservative, so I just throw them out. I don't care. That's fine. I drive like a maniac. Ben Shapiro likes me more. Me as in me. But it could be... Just to clarify, right? Because we're talking about me.

No, but it's how would I... So are we each talking about ourselves? Is the me relating to both of us? You are going to answer whether I think that Ben likes me more than you. And I didn't the card just say, Michael. Well, because then I'm going to answer, if you are going to answer, if you are going to answer, you think that Ben likes you more than me? I quit. I'm going to say, you think that Ben likes you more than me, yes.

And then you got to, do I, do I think that Ben likes me more than you? I think that you think that Ben likes me more than you, yes. No, that me, me more than you. Okay, so no. So no, yeah, yeah, I think. So what? I think that was correct. I don't, I don't even know what we answered. I think we both got that one right.

We both got that right. We should drink. Okay. I agree. Who wrote, can you write it a little clearer? For God's sakes. Geez. All right.

Let's see. Maybe this one will be clearer. Leviticus 19, verse 28, was more of a chill suggestion, making tattoos completely acceptable for Christians today. acceptable is going to be doing a lot of work here. So Leviticus 1928 says, no tattoos. Well, yeah. Now I can't help but notice.

Got a little ink there on that. That's Hena. That's fake. I redo that every morning before I come out. Nice. Hennikairo, yeah. The permanent marker. Yeah, the Hindu artist, or more likely some like live woman artist doing Hena tattoos, she must be very confused every morning when you say, I need the Kai Roe on my arm.

Yeah, well, and see, again, the question is not framed exactly correctly because my, well, I don't want to give my answer until you've guessed. Okay. So the question acceptable is it, are we talking about? Chill suggestion. Yeah. Is it unfair framing to begin with? Yeah. As far as I know, God, particularly in the Old Testament, does not generally make chill suggestions.

Right. Neither chill nor suggestion would apply to the Old Testament at any point. But the question is today, do those specific laws still hold today? Right. And I'm confident that you would say no, that they don't hold. Yes, I suppose, okay. Now, yes, on the, I think the substantive read of the question is true. However, the word acceptable.

Right. It is my opinion that the only people who should have tattoos are convict. and sailors. Not body shame me, first of all. How dare you? I will say, you've got a kind of burly

demeanor. You can pull, and it's a strange tattoo because it's an ancient Christian symbol. Oh, is that what it is? I don't know if you know. I thought it was Japanese for water. I was going for RX like prescription

and I forgot that. You got to go back in. Just a big fan of Tylenol. Yes. Okay. So we both got that. right. So I guess we should drink. Are those the rules? By the way, I know I totally respect the view of hating tattoos. Yeah. And I should be a guy who hates them, so it's very

confusing for people. Yes. But in terms of the Old Testament argument, I find it absurd. Clearly those are not, there's a ceremonial Jewish laws that don't. And there is a difference between moral laws, ceremonial laws. This is, sometimes people get tripped up on this, but there are. Especially tattoos in that context would have been pagan symbolism. Right. But also, if you get the little, like the Japanese for water, you know, like the 20-year-old white girls do, that is immoral. That is a damnable offense. I will agree with you there.

Yes. Okay. Okay. I would rather be stuck at an elevator with a bleeding heart, burning bro communist than a libertarian who thinks we can all get along if people just let you do you. Okay. Now, it's your answer to this. Rather be stuck with the Bernie bro than a libertarian. All right.

I'm just going to go for it. I'm going to say yes, you would rather be stuck with the Bernie bro. Oh, I misunderstood the question. You would rather be stuck, yes. Yeah, yeah. Yes, I think yes. You would rather be stuck with the Bernie bro than the libertarian. And I certainly would rather be stuck with the Bernie bro.

We're on the same page. Yes, there's no question. Libertarians probably annoy me more than any other humans on Earth at this point in my Yes it is in college we used to sing a song it's not a joke we'd sing God wrought ye libertarians You fill me with dismay your anarchistic tendencies your I forget I was usually even a little more lubricated when I was singing it in college but the point is yeah libertarianism super lame yeah okay agreed Let's see so now I'm up generally speaking, America should not get involved with conflicts in Taiwan or Israel.

So we've got to reset. Well, yeah. What you're going to answer on this, America should, generally speaking, America should not get involved with conflicts in Taiwan or Israel. I think you're going to say. I'm going to give you a yes, should not. Yeah, I think that's about right. Yeah.

Because generally speaking here is the key. Right, exactly. Right? I think there, when it is in America's interest, and there can be times when it's in America's interest to push back China or to push back certain Arab states, then we certainly should. But as an ongoing matter of constantly managing these places, probably not. Probably that would be an handling alliance. Generally in favor of allowing countries to handle their own affairs.

So, yeah. We keep getting them right, but we're just still drinking, so I guess that's fine. That's cool. Sounds like we're winning. All right. There are a lot of questions, too. Yeah. Matthew McConaughey is more likely to win a governor race in Texas than Caitlin Jenner in California.

So it's more likely, not who would you rather see when? More likely? Yeah, okay. I'll answer. RBC Training Ground has discovered potential in over 20,000 Canadian athletes and county. Your story could be next. If you've got the drive, they'll help you find your path to the Olympics. Let's see what you've got. for free at rbc training ground.ca.

Yeah, I'm going to assume that you'd say yes to that. Totally. Yeah. I mean, I know that right now it's fashionable for conservatives to say that, you know, Democrats are the real transphobes or whatever, but I don't, Caitlin's not going to win, right? And I don't think so. He is, uh, polling at like two percent. Wow. He's pulling it. So Republicans are, are buying into the left's, basically giving up on reality for the sake of this trans candidate who's not even going to win. Wait.

I thought when you said he, I assumed you were referring to Matthew McCona. Oh, yeah. Just too clever. You were calling Bruce Jenner, the guy in the weedy's box, say he? Caitlin Jenner. I'll respect the name. You know, I've long respected the name. I'm getting to the point where I don't know that I will.

Here's why. Yeah, you can change your name, whatever. Prince can become a symbol, right? And he's the artist who only knows Prince. But Caitlin is a one. woman's name. I don't think that a dude should go by Caitlin. I agree with you there, but a name actually is a social construct. That is a social, it's something we come up with just a, it's a symbol to represent a person. That's right. It's an arbitrary symbol. So it could be

anything. Maybe it's, as long as you've changed, if you change it legally, then that's your name. Yeah, I don't know. I think I might be more of a theocratic fascist than you are in this case. Now I've got to recalibrate my position. Yes, because here's what I think. I have to scramble to get to the right of you on this thing. No one gets names anymore. It should be, right, yes. It's illegal to have a name.

Yeah. Because I think it's a symbol, right? They're symbols. But you get a name at birth, right? It's your Christian name, we say. I don't think you should be able to really to change it. And also, by the way, if we can call men, Caitlin, then Johnny Cash's song, a boy named Sue is no long.

It was never funny, but it's no longer even ostensibly. We have destroyed that song. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really, I don't agree with what you're saying, but I don't want to be in the position of arguing the liberal side of it. Right, so I'm just going to move on from that. Fair enough. Am I up now? Mm-hmm. Yeah, okay.

I have confidence that the 2022 midterms will bring a relative red wave. A relative red wave. What the hell? What is that? It took me a second for that to sink in. It's redundant. A relative red wave. Okay, maybe you'll be more optimistic on this one.

Drink. I'm firmly in the no category. I'm not saying no, it won't happen. I'm saying I'm not confident. And I'm not confident because Democrats rewrote all the election laws and gave themselves a lot of advantages. I wish I could be confident, but I'm not. Yeah, my lack of confidence is more, is the general pessimism to life.

but and to the Republicans. Yeah. So, you know. They are very good at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. Yeah. They're expert at that. And we would need to know a little bit more about what a red wave would even mean. Yeah.

I think they'll pick up some seats. They sort of have to, right? If they didn't pick up some seats, something would have gone seriously wrong, but maybe something they didn't seriously wrong. All, of course I know what you're saying this. All parties involved in the production distribution of pornography should be arrested and held criminally liable. Yeah. So it's just.

I think. It's like, cool. Let's drink to that. Yeah, absolutely. Drink to that. Hmm. Um, it's my criminal justice reform, by the way. Yeah. That's my first step act. First step to, to recovering a sense of true liberty. Yeah. I actually, I'm a little bit of optimism there. It, it, it seems to me that there's a growing sense on the right. Yeah. To treat pornography in this way. Because five, six years ago, even when this first subject really came up by it was like a few years ago we were talking about it and the backlash from the right was intense well just from like the boomer libertarian right they're like what porn's all you know Thomas Jefferson loved porn yeah George Washington had a

subscription to only fans yeah this is what our founders envisioned this is what they want this is a blessing of liberty yeah right but it seems to be especially among younger conservatives it seems to be a little bit of a shift there so totally well you know that the irony is all the kind of boomer con and, you know, libertarian types. They'll say, like, guys, come, what? You're not going to look at porn all the time? And, you know, I bet a lot of those zoomers, those like 18-year-old conservatives

who were super anti-porn, I bet they've looked at porn. Hapocrats? It's like, yeah, I bet they have. I bet they realize how horrible it is. And that's why they're so opposed to it. They've grown up, a lot of these kids have grown up, they were exposed to it when they were like seven.

Yes. And they just see how empty and gross and disgusting it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Somebody to celebrate. Oh, that's on this. This is me. Okay.

Vegans should not be allowed to vote. Vegan should not be allowed to vote. Should not be allowed to vote? I'm going to assume that you would probably say no to that. Vegans should not be allowed to vote. You know, I'm going to say that you're going to be pretty moderate here, kind of more of a liberal. That's a risky move. You're going to say that maybe the vegans should be allowed to vote.

Well, okay, there's a little bit of a nuance here because I believe strongly in greatly reducing the number of people who can legally vote. Of course. Greatly reducing it. Yes. Through any number of means. Yes. And I think that through the means that I have in mind, most vegans will be ruled out. Yes, I agree.

I'm with you. But it probably wouldn't be determined based on their veganism. Yes. This is the issue. The Venn diagram of people who should be disqualified from voting and, vegans. It's almost. Yeah, it's almost exactly a circle, but I don't think it's totally

synonymous, yeah. So we can take care of them without having to directly target them. Because that would raise constitutional issues. I think just in the same place that you had a constitutional right to look at weird porn and stuff, you have the constitutional guarantee that vegans can vote in the same panama. Exactly.

The Crusades were unprovoked aggression towards the peaceful Muslim world. Well, that's just Okay, cool. I almost put you towards the ass. It's scary. Yeah, there is. I mean, that's the funniest prompt that we've had yet.

Yeah. Not much to talk about there. To defeating the Saracens and retaking the Holy Land. Deus Volt. I'm going to run out, by the way. Do we get more? We've refilled Mr. Walsh's Stein here. Now we continue.

Vaccine passports seem more like a prophecy from revelation than a public health concern or benefit? Yeah, I'm assuming to say yes on that. Yeah, that's not a, that's not a tricky one, I find. I think it's a little strong. I mean, prophecy from Revelation, I don't know if I put it that way. I'm not saying they seem like a prophecy, but more like.

Yeah, yeah, I'll go with that. You know, the thing is, I don't think we're living in the end times. You know, they're always worried of it. This is the Mark of the Beast or that's the Mark of the Beast. But, you know, someone's going to be living in the end times, right? I mean, it's got to be someone. But, like, I don't think it's me. I don't think I am, but

But you can think of plenty of periods through history where they would have had a better case, black kids, you know, things like that. But, yeah, I mean, vaccine passport I'm very much against, as far as whether people get a vaccine, I don't care. That's my thing. I don't get it if you want or don't if you don't. Yeah. That's my...

Yeah, I'm not hardcore enough to say, like, definitely don't get it. But I am prudential enough to think, like, hey, if you think, if you make a risk calculation and you say that the risk is is better for me to get the vaccine, then just do, you know, if you're in an at-risk group or something, okay, cool. But if you're a healthy 28-year-old or something and you just think, well, I face statistically like no risk from this virus. Yeah. Then I don't, the, the creepy kind of Vax or mask or vote or die or whatever, I just think it's so creepy. It makes me less likely to want to do it every time. say it. Yeah. That's why I just let people make their own decisions. That's, uh, here we go.

Aliens more than likely exist. This does not include illegal or naturalized aliens, Michael Knowles. That's on the car just here. Um, Ali-Watomalans definitely exist. Yeah. Okay. So I, I think you're going to say no on that. I think you're going to say yes. You're absolutely right. You're right. You're totally right. I don't, if you asked me today, put $50,000 on do aliens exist or not. say they do not. But that determination on your part is almost entirely theological. It has a theological aspect. Part of it is I never got into aliens even when I was an atheist. I was like, I mean, I don't really think there's aliens or anything. It's like, because they'd always be like, but the universe is big. And I was like, well, okay, whatever. It's like, it's big and sterile.

Most, mostly. Like, why don't I? But it's just so, I know you don't find the universe is big argument to be compelling. I think it is because of just how we're talking about 100 billion galaxies or more in the observable universe. Yeah. 100 billion galaxies, 100 billion stars in each galaxy, give or take. Yeah. You know, let's say five or six planets on average around each star. Yeah. How many planets does that make? Yeah, no, I mean, let's say there's like a gazillion planets. I just don't. The fact that there's a bunch of rocks does not to me imply that there's a life on any of them. Well, but if you were to take, okay. Because we don't know anything about the origin of life as a sort of scientific matter. Certainly, if you were to take religion completely out of it, which you can't.

But if you were, then you're looking at it as a matter of pure statistics. Yeah. What's the statistical likelihood of there being life on other planets? But I think in order to do the statistical analysis, you've got to know how you go from not life to life, right? Because that's the, I have no doubt that if there's some kind of life that you can, get some kind of other life. I'm kind of there. I think that's, but if we, if we have truly no scientific understanding of how, of how life starts, then, and we, there are some theories on it, but there's no good evidence for them, then even, let's say there's a million places,

there's a zillion places, what, what do the statistics matter if we don't know that, that fundamental process? Well, that's what I'm saying, if you take, if you, if you, if you were to take religion out of it, and you're saying, even as an atheist, you have this view. So then it's a matter of, I guess, a planet is like a chemistry set and a bunch of chemicals are being mixed randomly and then that's how you start life. That's what, that's the hypothesis, I guess. Right. Well, if there's no, if you take religion out of it, that's what it has to be. It has to be something like that. So then, so then it's just a matter of if you have enough of those chemistry sets going, at the same time, it's just likely, you know, a certain number of them are going to, are going to land,

are going to, you know, the dye is going to be cast. This is very interesting. So what you're saying is absent the existence of God. Right. Absent the existence of God, if, which I don't, it's like, to me, everything that follows from that is just like gobbledygook, because it's like, how do you, true. It's like this is the sustaining essence of the universe. But so absent the existence of God, the only way that life could develop has to be from non-life in some kind of primordial soup. Without God, right, yeah. So, therefore, because that's obviously just nonsense, because that, like, because that, we just don't have any evidence that happened.

Therefore, God exists. That's like another argument for God. Right. I would agree with you. But I'm talking about, so there's that part of it. And then, okay, but let's get back into reality. We bring God back into the equation. Yeah.

That makes it a little more interesting, but I think it actually makes the case for intelligent life and other planets more compelling, because now we're talking about, whereas without God, all these planets exist for really no purpose. They just happen to be there, including our own. Now all these planets have a,

there's a reason all those planets are there. God intentionally created every single one of them. So if there are a gazillion planets, right, there are a gazillion planets in the universe, universe, God individually made every single one of them for a reason. And so it just becomes harder for me to understand. Now this, C.S. Lewis was open to aliens, right? So there are plenty of prominent Christians who are open to aliens. However, does this not raise the problem of monogenism? Monogenism, the fancy term for the idea that we all descend from a common ancestor.

And this is very important to make sense of original sin, broken human nature, human solidarity, human dignity, all the way down to why racism is bad, right? Racism is bad because we're all part of the same family and the same line. If we aren't, then it raises issues of even what a human being is. So does that, do the aliens not raise a problem for the Adam and Eva at all? Yeah, and now we're drinking, and we're talking about this, I'm worried I'm going to venture into heresy, but I'll try to. I will drink more, yeah. Yeah, but I think that I like C.S. Lewis's thoughts on this.

and I don't know exactly how this works with salvation history, but first of all, the fact that I can't figure out how to work it within the theological framework that I understand doesn't... That is definitive that it's not possible. Right. Right, exactly. But it's not actually definitive, so that's the point. But also, maybe this is why the universe is so vast and there's so much space in between all these different planets, because God does not actually want these different races of intelligent beings intermingling

because they're at different places in their salvation journey. It would seem to me that assuming that the Trinity is true, sort of the central mystery of Christianity, then you have the second person of the Blessed Trinity is Christ, as the Lagos of the universe, incarnate, dies once on the cross to redeem mankind and redeem the fallen world. Okay. So it would seem difficult for me to understand

how there is another sort of salvation on some other planet with the second person of the Trinity who dies once for all. So that would seem very hard. So then it would seem to imply that the other creatures are not fallen. That's possible, yeah. So that could be possible. That, yeah. C.S. Lewis, you know, speculated about that.

Yeah. And that goes back to why our nearest solar system is four light years away, which is 25 trillion miles. And that's our next door neighbor. That's like a hop-skipping to jump away in Galacta term. So that's close. Yeah, yeah. So why is there so much space in between each? Maybe it's because of this problem of,

You can't have a fallen race interacting with a non-fallen race. Because the interesting thing there then is that like the fallen race now becomes sort of like the snake in the Garden of Eden playing that role. Right, right. So maybe that's the reason why. I mean, it's all speculation. But what Fermiak just comes down to it, the universe is very big. There's lots of planets in it. They serve some sort of purpose.

And we are a bunch of snakes. And we are a bunch of snakes. We are. I at least know a bunch of snakes here, especially in politics. Yeah. Okay. That's good. Am I up? You're up.

I think so. I don't know. We talked about that for 45 minutes. Oh, man. I know the names of more than half of the people who work here. So now we're answering for the... So definitely for you. That's like not even a question. Of more than half. I don't know. We hire like 27 people an hour here. Yeah. It's hard to keep up. I'm going to say for you also... Well, I wouldn't put it past you to know everyone's name in this old damn building.

But I'm going to say no. You know what the trick is here? Because I think, I actually don't know the answer to this. Because seriously, we hire however, like a dozen people a day. But the real trick is like, oh, hey, buddy. You know, hey, pal. Yeah. It's like, is it like, is it like Matt?

Is it Matt? Is his name Matt or Mickey or? In fairness, I don't think any individual person in this building knows the name of. because we're hiring so many people. That's true, yeah. Except for the good people who actually care about their coworkers. Unlike the bad fallen snakes,

such as us. Exactly. Okay, we should drink for that. It's also, frankly, I don't even think our boss Bill Shapiro knows. Whatever his name is, something like that. Bill Gates is in Jeffrey Epstein.

Why is there a apostrophe there? Was the person who wrote these questions drunk already? You guys trying the drunk? They were tipping into the boodles. Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein just happened to have been really good friends. No funny business. I'm going to give that. That's obviously no. Pretty as persuasive as that sounds.

No. Yeah. No, I like the claim that they were, Bill Gates was consulting Jeffrey Epstein on for marriage advice. If you're having problems in your marriage, of course you're going to consult. An international sex traffic. International sex traffic or pedophile who's never been made. married. He's the guy that you're going to... Hey, what do you think? Do you think Melinda and I are going to work out? I don't know.

All right. When people recognize me in public, it genuinely warms my heart. I've never been recognized in public, so... No, yes, you have. I'm kidding. You've been recognized. Now, the only question is, can Matt Walsh's heart be warmed? Yeah, I'm going to say for you, the answer is, yes. It absolutely is for me. For you, you know, you know, know i'm gonna say yes it does i was hoping i could surprise you if you put it on no no it beneath that gruff burly bearded exterior there is a very sweet warm cauldron of sympathy and

humanity i don't know if i go that far but it it almost warms my heart but then it because i'm catholic it it verges quickly into guilt and shame because then i start thinking like why does this person care? I'm such an insignificant piece of dirt of a person. Right. But there's a little bit of a warming of a heart that happens. Yeah. And then when you flagellate yourself, the stimulated blood flow literally warms your heart. That's true. Yeah. That's true. Oh, no. It's your, is it your turn or my turn? Is it mine? Okay. On a scale of one to ten, the current pope is not super great. This is where I go back to my theory that the person who wrote the questions was drunk because I'm not sure what.

Not super great. But the one to ten... Oh, yeah. Why do we need the scale of one to ten if the statement is the current Pope is not super great? Yeah, that's... Well, I guess there's one name we don't need to learn around these parts. Probably not going to be here very long.

Yeah. Okay, so the Pope is not super great as the prompt. Yeah. Well, I... Wait, it's not super great. Yes. So you're saying, you're saying, I would agree with the statement the Pope is not super great. And I'm saying you would disagree with the statement.

The Pope is not super great. So you're saying this, I'm going to say that you say that the Pope is super great. And you're saying that I don't think the Pope is super great. Yes, but now that you put my drink over there, I'm rethinking my decision, but I've already made it. He's the Pontifax Maximus. He's literally super great. Yes. Yeah. Well, hold on a second. Yeah. But we're talking about, I assume we're talking about the

personality, the actual individual. Well, this is the issue, of course. Yes. I would be, I would never denigrate the Holy Father. And I couldn't do it. Now, when one says things that are unfortunate, when one says things that raise a lot of confusion, when one says things that are outright heresy in some cases. This is very confusing. And this would raise filial questions and dubia and doubts. But I would never say, look, I'm not some lib who thinks that I can just start mouthing off about the Pope and start accusing people outright of saying things that are sometimes it seems kind of heretical, you know. I would argue that saying heretical things is not super great. Yeah, no, that's, I certainly agree with that. It's not a super great thing to do.

No, I super, I totally agree with that. Yeah. Okay. I think we both answered wrong now. I think we, yeah. But maybe we both answered right. At the same time, yeah. Yes and no.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Now I go. I'll answer you. On a scale of A to 17. No, that's not what it is. Radical Islam is still more dangerous than radical leftism. Oh, I'm, I'm pretty sure you're going to say no.

Radical Islam is still more dangerous than radical leftism. I'm going to say no for you as well. Yeah. For me, that's an easy one. Yeah. Personally. My only problem with the question is the still, because I don't think that it ever was. That it ever, yeah.

Well, it's just because leftism has only been a real political problem in the last few hundred years. Okay. Whereas Islam's been a political problem for like 1,500 years. Yeah. Of course, you have to think about what do we mean by danger. Are we talking about a physical danger? Well, then that might sway it slightly. but it's tricky in the sense that leftism is just an inversion of Christianity. It comes out of

this Christian civilization and it just inverts everything. So in a way, you know, it's the same way that it's easier to talk to the ardent atheist than it is to the agnostic because the Arden atheist is really thinking about these issues. So, you know, the radical leftist, maybe you can kind of get them. But the argument is even truer for Islam. Islam derives out of a Christian heresy. And this is not even really disputed by Muslims, right, that that Muhammad, meets a heretical Christian monk and then goes on and develops this Islamic religion. But I think if I'm talking to some cuck, you know, atheist or even worse, some decadent, just agnostic lib, it's very, we don't, we're not even talking about the same thing.

Whereas if I'm talking to some radical Islamic person, that guy's thinking about the same things I'm thinking about. We're actually speaking kind of the same, I don't speak Arabic, but we're speaking the same language. The question is just about the answers to those questions. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's certainly right. Yeah, I guess I would look at it like this. I don't know that there's any person who has ever not made it to heaven or any Christian who's ever been not made it to heaven because of Islam.

I mean, Islam can persecute and kill them. But, I mean, at the end of day, that actually expedites their trip. Whereas with leftism, I think that the attack is much more internal, and I think it has a far different effect. That is really good. You very rarely hear of Christians converting to Islam. Right. But you do hear of Christians converting to leftism. In this country, millions.

Yeah, yeah. It's like much of the country. That's a very good point. Yeah. I make those on occasion. Yeah. Really, okay. After a couple beers.

So you're up. All right. Having facial hair covers insecurities more effectively than the lack of facial hair hints at impotence. Wait a second. Wait, hold on. We got to get the phrase. Having facial hair covers insecurities more effectively than the lack of facial hair hints at impotence. It, let me see.

I got it. I can't. Yeah. So that having facial hair covers insecurities more effectively, more if, or more, did a literate person write these questions? I don't know. So I said, let me rephrase this to make it even semi plausible to interpret. Facial hair, having facial hair, is aimed more at covering insubrace. securities, then the lack of facial hair suggests or implies impotence.

That doesn't clarify it for me, but... Yeah, okay. Okay. I don't want to give my... I'll just say that you're going to say, uh, yes. Yeah, I get. I mean, I'm not a, you know... I have a kid. I have a baby. Yeah. So I'm going to say that you're going to say... I'm going to say that you're going to say no. you're correct because I just reject the entire premise of the question you're just going to say no to the

question I say no to the question the whole premise it that the beer's not about it's covering insecure what does that even mean that's it also I mean that there there is no meaning to that prompt right because it doesn't obey sort of basic rules of grammar right so I just reject it on principle and you know man a guy with a beard probably doesn't give a damn about grammar rules you know that guy he's going to go chop down trees and whatever well yeah Um, here's what I hate about so many things, but that facial hair has become, like, I'm accused of being a hipster all the time for having facial hair. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Like you're making a statement. It's like, this is, since time and memorial, men have grown beards. I'm not trying to

say anything. Yeah. It's just being a man. I know. I started to grow over Christmas. I was saying, you know, I'm going to grow a beard. Everyone's got a beard. Everyone's got a beard. Drew's got a beard. Jeremy's got a beard, Matt's got a beard. I mean, I don't know if I would call theirs beards, but yeah, it's not quite. So I start growing. It's, you know, it's whatever. I'm looking a little scraggly, but it's a little bit on the, a little on the patchy sort of. But I can grow a mustache in about four hours. That is the one. It takes me 10 years to grow a beard. I can grow a mustache in a blink of an eye. But some guys are not meant for mustaches. And I give a lot of talks at schools. And if I grow out this mustache, I will not be permitted within 300 yards of the school.

I just reject that. I think that you should do it. I'm very pro mustache. Okay. I think it's a great look. And mustaches are back as far as I know. I mean, I love them. I love a good mustache. Yeah. And you could probably get the whole, because you got to go the whole. Oh, yeah. I do. I can get it. Mine's like a slug. Mine's like a disgusting slug on my little little crumb catcher. It's what needs to be. Yeah, little soup strainer is what it is. How would your wife feel about it? She would come around to it, I think, given this time scale of eternity. Maybe. If you give her no choice, I mean.

Yeah. All right. The masks did nothing to help the public at large and were merely a political tool to frighten voters into believing a new administration was needed. Now, hold on. Due to YouTube rules, make your guess, but do not verbally confirm if the other person guessed correctly, give only an ambiguous, nonverbal confirmation. So I'll read that prompt again, knowing that rule. The masks did nothing to help the public at large, and they were merely a political tool to frighten voters into believing that a new administration was needed.

So now we have to guess how the other person would answer. That's a very interesting theoretical prompt. Well, you're up. Yeah. Yeah. Race hustlers who intentionally mislead and stir up riots should be held criminally responsible if violence breaks out. Fairly. To their future prosecution? Well, that's never going to happen, but sure. It's like next year in Jerusalem, right? It's like waiting for Elijah, yeah. Okay.

We should go back to spreading our original American ideals to other countries and involving ourselves in their business. if they are not preserving freedom and democracy. I guess I kind of tipped my hand on that one. Yeah. I have zero interest. I don't have any interest in spreading democracy here. So what I want democracy over? I don't even want it here.

It's also the idea of democracy, you know, or the idea of freedom. I don't like those things floating around in outer space. Yeah. I like the real enacted in flesh. lived experience of those things. I love the American tradition of freedom. Oh yeah, I'll get into that. The American government and system. Yeah, traditional one. I'll get into that. But like, it's like that meme. You know, it's like my democracy or like my freedom. No, I don't want that in it. I don't want that floating in the abstract. But also the idea that democracy is this universally. Yeah.

great thing that works for everyone in every culture, everywhere in the world throughout time and history is absurd, obviously. Also, the idea that the cycle of regimes is not a fact of the political world, and the idea that democracy is the only in any case legitimate form of government does raise this observation, which is the kingdom of God, not a democracy. So what do you think is the most ideal form of government? I'm not like anti-republic. I'm not, I'm definitely, I'm not one of these totally reactionary anti-republic people, but I think they're perfectly legitimate monarchies. And I think there's

quite a lot about a monarchy, certainly a constitutional monarchy that gives itself credit. And by the way, I don't know if you've noticed this, but, you know, the libs always talk about our democracy, especially these days. It's always the libs and then they kind of squishy Republicans. I say, this is a threat to our democracy. And I think it was Angelo Codivis. Villa at the Claremont Institute, who pointed out that every time these guys refer to our democracy, they are, without fail, referring to their oligarchy. It's always the people who are the most sort of elite, anti-democratic people in the world. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's the irony. I've spent more time hanging out with my producer than you have with yours. Now we're getting personal.

Yeah, so I'm going to assume, I'm going to assume you've not hung out with your producer. Oh, I can't answer the question until. You can't, yeah, so I'm going to say, but it's like, hold. So again, we have the problem of the I. So the I refers to the person who is answering. No, no, I'm sorry, it doesn't. It refers to the opposite. I'm trying to answer if you would say I've hung out with my producer more than you, Michael, have hung out with yours.

Okay. I think, what? Yes. Yeah, I think that's fair. Because I got to tell, you know, ever since, ever since we moved here, had this little kid. So my social life went from like, cool guy hitting the club every night to just suburban dad taking the grill pill outside, you know, hanging out at home. But I have hung out with my producer. We've traveled.

We've done these things. I'm going to guess you have not. I have, but only recently, because I've only recently been in the office. But I think you probably have more. Because I've got a longer time scale. Right, yeah. I think that's fair. Okay.

All right. I probably still drink. Do you need a top off? Do I need a top of? I think I'm good. So now it's my go. Reading the Church of Cowards left me speechless. Sure.

Yeah, why not? Let's just go with you. That's great. A little book plug from Speechless. Let's go to have one sip like. And when does that come out? It comes out June 22nd.

It's available now for pre-order. You can get it on Amazon. You can get it at Premier Collectibles for a signed first edition copy. You can text some number that I totally forget. But whatever you do, make sure you get it. The act of going fishing is not really a thing. It's merely a ploy to leave the house

and finally get some peace and quiet. Hmm. Hmm. I have a definite opinion for myself about this, but I'm going to say that you would... So you say no. I don't really say yes. Yeah, you're correct. I'm very much... For me, the act of going fishing is all about fishing.

Yeah. I'm in the camp as well. I've just recently... I occasionally gone fishing as a kid. I recently went fly fishing in Utah. Yeah. It's a transcendent experience. It is.

It really is. It's great. I did not know that. It's weird because if you said to someone, hey, you're going to put on boots, you know, sort of silly boots and stand in cold water, just stand for like five hours.

And that's going to be very beautiful and fun. You would not anticipate that to be true. What I like about fishing, I've been an avid angler, as we call ourselves in the business. Yeah. For several years now. But what I like about fishing is that some people say

that, yeah, it's an excuse to get out of the house or drinking or whatever. And that's fine too. But really, for me, it's, or, you know, you can think about it. It's a time to think about things. But when I'm fishing, I'm just thinking about fishing. That's all I'm thinking about. And that's what I like about it.

You're focused on this one skill, this one simple act. You've got to find the fish. You've got to catch them. And I think in that way, it's sort of liberating. This, you know, Winston Churchill said this about painting. He said, you've got to take up painting because it's the only way to get your mind on something else. He said, you can't, if you want your mind to relax, you can't just do nothing because

you just think about all your stresses. And you can't read because it's using the same muscles that you use all the time. But if you paint, it's using different muscles and you're so focused, then you'll, and I think the same thing is true about fishing. You're just casting it out there. You're watching very closely. You're trying to feel, whatever. Five hours goes by.

It's like two seconds. Yeah. That's how I feel about it. And you know, you know what I also have in common with fish? Drinking. Absolutely. I think I, is I only keeping track? I think I won this. Did I win? We can defer to the, let's see, I'm trying to see what I'm hearing from the judges. I think I won.

You don't have a new piece in, but okay. I go with that. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time on this game. Frankly, in a sense, I think we all won. Agreed.