The Michael Knowles Show - "You've Been Lied To" Major Issues Solved With This Simple Trick | Dr. Kalli Hale

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

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Bring it with SAP Grow. AI Cloud ERP for any size business. I think this is the biggest decision a parent has to make in their child's growth and development, period. What are the problems that people can face? What are the problems later? Obstructive sleep happening is deadly. You can have a hard attack. a stroke. I have had patients die. If your child has a orthodontics done wrong, as a child,

it will plague them for the rest of their life. When we talk about maha, make America healthy again, we talk about vaccines and food and drugs, but we ignore one issue that has bedeviled me for my entire life. And it's very difficult in my job where I speak for a living and where I smoke cigars for a living, which is my chompers, my teeth, which is why I'm so pleased to be joined. by Dr. Callie Hale of Toothpillow. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. You're the chief dental officer.

I sure am. And the founder of Toothpillow. And we're filming, I should know, we're filming this interview at a very special time because do you know when I usually go to the dentist? When? 2.30. I have not heard that one before.

Actually, when I saw this schedule, it popped up on my calendar, I said, this is providential. Literally living in. So I'm curious about it because A lot of people think of dentistry, well, as sort of witchcraft where they just lie to you about how many cavities you have and rip you off. Unfortunately. Topic for another time.

But even like braces and orthodontature and all that, they think of it as cosmetic. Correct. And there are all these symptoms, like real actual health symptoms that go along if you don't fix your teeth and your jaws and all of that. Absolutely. And I have suffered from almost all of them. I hate to hear that. The grinding, the spacing. I'm such a good orthodontics patient.

I wear my retainer every night since eighth grade. Yeah. You're a perfect patient. Thank you. But they still, the teeth kind of move. But it can cause problems for your sleep. It can cause bone problems. It can cause all sorts of issues.

So what is the pitch in our Maha movement for tooth pillow? That we have to make sure that our children are breathing and sleeping properly at a very young age. And a lot of people don't correlate that with your jaws or your teeth. And some of the symptoms you talked about tooth grinding, even bedwitting outside of an appropriate age. I've been generally, you know, maybe a late night at the bar that gets me, but usually I've avoided that one. But yeah, the breathing, the snoring, all that. Yeah, it's everything. And it starts with how is your child's jaw development happening when they're really young,

meaning how are they eating food? Did they breastfeed long enough? There's all sorts of muscle development that has to happen in order to induce bone growth. Muscle drives bone growth. This is TMI. I didn't breastfeed. I was bottle fed. I'm going, this is like a psychologist to me.

I'm here to help you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Connect all the dots. My producer. Ben Davies is a volunteer ambassador for your product. Before you ever came on, a partnership with the show,

he told me, he said, oh, I've got my kids on ToothPillow, like it's so great, it's a more sort of natural and serious way to deal with these problems. So, why hasn't anyone done this before? That is the million dollar question. And you would think that this technology is new, but it's not. I mean, these appliances in general that we use at ToothPillow have been around for 70 plus years.

But you get a little politics involved, you get a little change in the education. And if that is pulled out of orthodontic residency program, you have generations of dentists that come out and never hearing about it. And when I went through a very extensive post-doc education and obstructive sleep apnea, I went for adults. I went to help all these adults that I was seeing that had all these issues, snoring, tooth grinding, they were breaking their crowns.

We were crowning teeth because they were cracking their teeth, and we're just molar mechanics. We're just fixing the problem. We're not getting to the root cause of what's going on. And as I went through the education for all the adult stuff, and I was like, golly, it's hard when you're older to fix it. and deal with it, we can do it. But it's so much easier if you can prevent it

from ever happening in the first place. And once I realized that was even possible, learning it from doctors that were older than me and had been doing it decades longer than me, yet I never heard about it one time in my dental school education. I was floored. So why is that?

Because I was only 10% joking when I said a lot of dentists seem like sort of charlatans to me. You go in, you find 150 cavities. Some guy, I go in, all these cases, you have all these cavities. I want to fix your teeth. I want to shave one down. down to do this, that, or the other. And then I, you know, I go to another dentist, they say,

you don't have any cavities. And the, you know, the hygienist says, now you get, don't listen to that, you're fine, you don't do it. So why is it? Why, why is it that my heart surgeon I can generally sort of rely on, but. Deuter choice. Yeah, right. Yeah, I guess that much why? But why is it that, why is it that, the kind of technology that you're talking about has been left out of orthodontics? You know what? I mean, we'd have to go back 40 years and figure out who made that decision to pull it from the education. Because now it's back like a freight train. And 10 years ago, as I was practicing this, man, the rumors, the daggers in my back, the people that were like, what is she

doing selling this little mouthguard to patients? Like you would, I mean, I'm sure you can imagine what it was like. And now, fast forward, they're taking my education program. They're learning from it, which is great. I'm like, hey, however you get here, you need to get here, but it was, it's really sad the generations of adults that had orthodontists and wrong the first time, myself included, which is part of my passion of fixing it while they're young and growing. It makes so much sense. I talked to somebody yesterday. They said it makes sense when you think about it. I go, exactly. You're growing, your bones are developing, your skull is growing, your tongue is working, your muscles, all of that. While you're still literally growing, you can make an impact

in kids' jaws and breathing that will last them a lifetime. Now, I had braces as a teenager. They put it on at 12, 13. A boy's head and neck and a girl's head and neck development by 12 and 13 are almost 94% complete. So we wait until the foundation is pretty much solid, and we squeeze teeth into an alignment that looks good. Mom and dad paid for braces. They want straight teeth. They got straight teeth. Not ever realizing that it was going to change the way that child breathed for the rest of their life. They still pull teeth for braces. This is still happening. Really? Oh, absolutely. Your mouth is too small. We need to take teeth out. You know, why they didn't start at three or five or seven. They didn't see you until you were 14 or 13 or 12. And they say, we don't have any way to do it without taking

teeth out. That takes up, it takes away so much tongue space. And it's literally a precursor for sleep disorder breathing and potentially obstructive sleep at me as an adult. Well, and also what mattered a lot more to me when I was end of middle school, early high school, is that when you get the braces on, it's much harder to impress girls. And then even in the long run, in that very chair, I interviewed one of the great philosophers of our generation, Mr. Clavicular, very famous, who talks about looks maxing and bone smashing and monging and all the rest of it. And anyway, it's very important to be able to impress girls.

But at a deeper level, let's fearmonger a little bit here. What are the problems that people can face other than a mouth that doesn't look good or you know, you snore a little bit? What are the problems later? Obstructive sleep apnea is deadly. You can have a hard attack, a stroke. I have had patients die of a strict sleep apnea. My dental assistant's father passed away at 55-year-old took a nap, woke up, had a heart attack, and died. And he had sleep apnea.

And we knew this. He wasn't wearing a seat ap. He wasn't being properly monitored. He didn't like a CPAP. Who likes their CPAP? Yeah. Only a small majority of people. And so when you think about, it's like I hate to fearmonger and I hate to go full blown

with that. But I'm telling you, if your child has orthodontics done wrong, as a child, it will plague them for the rest of their life. This is a stupid question. I didn't go to medical school. Why is it that if your teeth are messed up, you stop breathing when you sleep and die? I actually don't understand the connection. I would love to explain it to you.

So your mouth, your breathing complex is from here around, right? They call it the nasomaxbury complex. All of your air has to come in either through your nose or your mouth. It should come in through your nose. Yeah. When you mouth breathe, as a developing child, you have allergies, you're allergic to something, whatever, food sensitivities, underdeveloped urge, a tongue tie that went missed, whatever it is. I had that too, by the way.

So did I. Had it fixed when I was 37. Yeah. Yeah. If you haven't had it fixed yet, that's a whole other condition. I need to go get my tongue snipped? Oh, 100%. Oh, this is, like when I don't go to the dentist.

I can tell you pictures, I know, right? Here we go. Yeah. But when you mouth breathe, your muscle, your tongue, this massive muscle in your mouth, that that is responsible for palate expansion. Yeah. Sits low. If it's sitting at the bottom of your mouth like this,

you will grow in a vertical pattern. Your lower jaw, the mandible, will grow in the direction, it's stimulated, which is why the tooth pillow works. Because we stimulate the lower jaw to grow forward, and that looks maxing. We help the jaw to be held forward, especially when these poor kids have a lower jaw that's way back.

You can tell a profile anywhere you look. Everything we're talking about today, I'm so sorry, you'll never be able to un-hear it or unsee it in all of your friends. But when that tongue is low, the jaws do not expand and develop. And the roof of your mouth is the floor of your nose. So you want to affect your breathing, you need to widen your palate. And the easiest way to widen your palate is while you're growing and developing

and your tongue can do it for you. But if you don't know that, because you were taught braces are nothing but cosmetic, we wait until the baby teeth fall out, so we only have to pay for it once, which wasn't the case for me, had it multiple times. You will have a completely different experience than somebody who started at 3% or 4%. Go to good ranchers.com slash Knowles. W-L-E-S back-to-school season means everyone gets thrown back into a routine. You're running out the door as I was this morning, taking kids somewhere, going from one thing to the next.

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and this is more of a confession, I guess. But so I had all these things. The tongue top. and the grinding and the pallet expanders. Yes, yeah. But there was no tooth pillow in my youth. And I, even with that, like the palate expander all, even today, I still, I get a little stuffy sometimes, I don't, whatever I can't. And I find, this is like, this is a little weird, it's an old tim. That's great.

I go to the dentist. I can't get x-rays done because my gag reflex is so bad. They can't do it. And I go, then I switch, I go to a new dentist. and then they say, we have to do x-rays. I say, this is so humiliating. I'm going to be like, and then I go and they say, no, no, I can do it.

I'm a genius. And then they do it. And we go through 20 minutes of a humiliation ritual where I'm, you know, wheezing. I've got all this. And then they say, okay, we've got to use some other machine to do it. Every time, every single time. So that's because of my tongue tie.

It has a lot to do with your tongue tie. It has a lot to do with your overall jaw width and development, which I can see from everywhere because I treat so many patients. This is not wide enough. Yeah, but you can fix that 100%. I can fix that. It will change it. Yes, you can.

How? How? Is it bone smashing like clavicular told me? No. You have options. You have surgical options. You have non-surgical options. We could spend an entire day talking about just that and how we help adults every single day.

Now, in our virtual platform, we are coming out with an adult line. I'm super excited. But for somebody like you that has really severe symptoms, it might be diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea. You probably need to be seen at one of my brick and motor locations so that we can show you these expanders and see if you want to go through it again. And the simpler way to do this is for this all to have been corrected when I was a child. 100%.

You have every symptom that we'll be talking about on toothful. If you go to the website, it's all there. And more and more dentists are paying attention now, which is great. But the vast majority patients do not have access to this care. They don't have access to the information, which is why I built tooth fill. So, all right, then in terms of the brick and mortar location, so what does a person do? You go on, like I say, I want to do this. I'm sold.

I don't want to end up like Michael with a bad gag reflex and mandular, tightened, whatever, the cortex, whatever. I don't know. I love these words. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I'm just sort of inventing my medical education. So, okay, they say, I don't want to do this. What do they do? Well, we do sleep studies in the practices

because it's really important to have a baseline sleep study at some point in your life. You really need to have one. A home sleep test. You don't have to go and get hooked up to all the leads. You can take it with you at home, and we can get a good baseline for what your oxygen is because that really dictates your treatment plan.

It truly does. If you are very severe, we got a team of people that we need to get onto the case. And you want to find out now. You don't want to find out when you're 75. You don't want to find out when you suddenly have a cardiovascular event. Yeah.

So that sleep study will tell us how low does your oxygen go, how much you actually sleeping? Yeah. And, you know, are you stopping breathing? The biggest thing that people want to know is what's my number? How many times do I stop breathing per hour? I've seen somebody in the 80s. I've sat across somebody as thin and healthy as you, and they stop breathing 80 times an hour. And they suffer from hypertension and depression and anxiety.

And all of these things because they never fully rest. Yeah. And your sleep is everything. The one half, the one true health hack is you better have. very good sleep, and it better not be disturbed because your body is struggling for oxygen. You can diagnose me by my under-eye bags, which is not just because I stay up late and do work and smokey guards. We can say that for now, you know? I know. Wow, this is like a jarring and terrifying. It really is. I've been doing this a long time. I've been in airway dentistry for 10 years.

I was approached by two very good friends in 2021. Hey, what do you think about bypassing all of the dentists that don't know how to do this in creating a tele-densure company? And I will tell you, in that moment, I had a lot of fear because knowing how incredible this product was and the things that I was doing by the thousands of my practices, I knew that I would be vilified to have anything to do with a teledestry sort of direct to consumer, but it's not because every single patient passes through a dentist. But I knew in that moment this problem was so much bigger than me. And if somebody needed to stand on the stake and say, this is how kids need to be helped, they need to be treated early despite what you're being told at your dental office. I was all for it and I said we have to do it. So we started building the company, which meant I had to personally vet and pick out a dentist in every state that I trusted and knew about this. I can't just go get anybody, as you know,

I can't just go get somebody that's like, oh yeah, I can sell stuff and you've never done a toothful of plant to your life. Yeah, yeah. And so as we built it and built the processes and really I had to figure out how can I replicate the patient experience that I deliver in my office for people that are waiting months to come in and see me

and have this conversation to the computer. And we figured it out. And we had a couple people post about our company, and it nearly broke the internet one night. We had a thousand submissions to just like a day. And that was the start of us saying it's time to go. It's time to deliver the best incredible experience. And our reviews and our caseload, there is nobody on earth that has much data as I do right now in pediatric sleep questionnaires. This is hot off the press, but we're going to be publishing it, and there will be nothing anybody can say.

because we have the most incredible subset of patient reported, parent reported before and afters with our not only delivery method of it being direct to the home and the access to the dentist on our app, anything they need, and the appliance. This is very exciting, especially for my children. Especially for my children. One of my boys just looks exactly like me and he's got all the same teeth things. How old is he? He is just, just turned four. Oh, perfect age.

Perfect day. I know. It is like the age. I know. You just had a fourth birthday. So that's very good. And also very exciting for me that you are going to look smacks me up and air max me up. 100%.

This is great. I know. You know, on the show, when we partner up with advertisers, we, I reject a bunch where I say, like, I don't know. I don't really believe in that or I don't. It doesn't align or whatever. Like my teeth. But with some, I say, oh, no, that sounds good. That sounds interesting.

But I don't know very much about it. And when ToothPillow came on and my producer said, like, I am, you know, an activist. I'm an evangelist for ToothPillow already. We said, that's great. And we need to hook up all my kids. And most importantly, me. Yes. I know.

We need to save you so you can be around a long time. Yes. Well, that, and so that I can call my buddy clavicular up and say, look, man, I'm maxing. I love it. I'm sure you'd understand it well. Now, where can people find it? Toothpill.com. If you go to toothbill.com, you can fill out an assessment.

It says, is my child a can. candidate because not all children are. We individually screen every single child that comes through our portal and that state level provider is going to decide, is this appropriate or do you need to go in office? Yep. So that is where you fill everything out. It does not guarantee you that we can treat you virtually, but it does guarantee you that we are going to give you the information that you need to make the best decision from your child. And I'm telling you right now, I think this is the biggest decision a parent has to make in their child's growth and development, period. Who touches them, who does orthodontics on your child will be the determining factor of how they age.

So if you want to age a little more beautifully than I have maybe over the years, go right now, go to toothpillow.com. Right now, have I scared you sufficiently? Have I scared me sufficiently? I think I have toothpillow.com, Callie, thank you so much for me. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it.