The Mindset Mentor - Ep 36 - Transform Your Health Through Technology w/ Josh Trent

Episode Date: November 11, 2015

Josh Trent grew up in Section 8 housing while being fed through the welfare program. He is the perfect example that where you come from doesn't have a say in how successful you will be. In this episode he tells his incredible story of how he went from severely overweight, to getting into great shape, to now owning a very successful fitness company. Want to learn more about Mindset Mentor+? For nearly nine years, the Mindset Mentor Podcast has guided you through life's ups and downs. Now, you can dive even deeper with Mindset Mentor Plus. Turn every podcast lesson into real-world results with detailed worksheets, journaling prompts, and a supportive community of like-minded people. Enjoy monthly live Q&A sessions with me, and all this for less than a dollar a day. If you’re committed to real, lasting change, this is for you.Join here 👉 www.mindsetmentor.com My first book that I’ve ever written is now available. It’s called LEVEL UP and It’s a step-by-step guide to go from where you are now, to where you want to be as fast as possible.📚If you want to order yours today, you can just head over to robdial.com/bookHere are some useful links for you… If you want access to a multitude of life advice, self development tips, and exclusive content daily that will help you improve your life, then you can follow me around the web at these links here:Instagram TikTokFacebookYoutube

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starts now. Welcome to today's episode. This is an interview with Josh Trent, and I am extremely excited for you to listen to this because Josh is the perfect example of someone who did not come from a great background, but did not use that as an excuse to not have a successful life. He found himself years ago severely overweight and unhappy with himself, And from that decided to start losing weight, start making fitness his priority, and actually now has a fitness company. It is an incredible episode and I am so excited to bring it to you. So without further ado, the interview with Josh Trent. Welcome to the MWF Motivation Podcast. My name is Rob Dial, and I am super excited today to have a guest named Josh Trent.

And I found him because we were actually competing on iTunes New and Noteworthy. He was number one in categories. I was number one in categories. We were going back and forth. And I decided to check out his podcast, and it has a ton of great stuff. But to tell you about him, he's a wellness consultant and a fitness expert in technology. And his motivation, more than anything else, came from his childhood experience, which he's going to tell you about.

And he created something called Wellness Force in 2009 and has coached over 10,000 training sessions and was in 2015, check this, awarded one of the top 50 digital health influencers. So congratulations on that, Josh. Thank you very much. This is going to be fun, Rob. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm super excited. So I've listened to a few podcasts that you've been on and you have an incredible story that I think will resonate with a lot of the people that are out there and listening to this. So before we dive into what you do and all of the stuff that you're doing modern day, can you tell us what, where you came from and your life story to get you to where you are today? It's always a cool question when someone asks, what's your life story? And I'll

summarize it into three different phases. I think initially we all have a childhood experience. So I'll share that childhood experience and hopefully people can ping some resonance from that. Then next, I'll talk about how that transferred into my career. And then third, what I'm doing now. Absolutely. So first of all, when we're kids, we take on, especially ages one through seven, we take on a lot of beliefs and those beliefs can either be limiting or they can be expounding into confidence. Now, for me, I grew up in a household where nutrition and fitness and positive psychology were not necessarily a focus. My parents did the absolute best they could,

but when I was two years old, they divorced and I never really had a father who was around pretty much period, my whole decade and a half of life when I was in remedial school and high school and things like that. So I suffered. I didn't have a father figure to give me the tools that I needed to become a man. Now with that, I also had a mom who was manic bipolar. So if anybody knows who's listening, it's hard to trust someone who has a disease like that because there's never messaging coming from a place of truth. There's confusion. So as a kid, I never really knew what it was to have a home base. And with that said, that created a lot of pressure, a lot of stress for me. So on into adolescence, 10, 11, 12 years old, I needed a way to deal with the way that that felt,

the way that it felt to not have a dad who was around, have a mom who couldn't be trusted. the way that it felt to not have a dad who was around, have a mom who couldn't be trusted. And I found this way to soothe and self-medicate, which a lot of people do. And I found this drug and it was called food. So food became the way for me to check out and to not feel the feelings in my chest that were overbearing.

So I did the best I could when I was that age and I self-medicated for quite some time. Now, also I was dealing with a lot of struggling from my beliefs. And I found that the beliefs that really pulled me back that I've recognized in the past three to five years of personal development, when I was a kid, I believed three things. Number one, people can't be trusted. Number two, money causes pain. And number three, expect the worst to happen.

And these are crazy beliefs. I mean, these are a lot for any kid to feel. And that contributed to the way that I use food. So that's kind of the first half of my upbringing and transitioning out of high school. I was in athletics and sports. That was a beautiful way for me to get out that stress that I felt. And it was healthier. So I began to become interested more in weight training and physical fitness. But when high school stopped, I ate like I was still playing sports and that didn't really work out. That seems very common for most people. It is, right, Rob? I mean, a lot of people continue to eat the way that they used to, but their activity changes. So then flash a couple of years, I'm almost 280 pounds.

And there's actually photos on my website of the transformation, but the way I felt in my body, uh, the way I was stressed and just honestly depressed and sad about the situation with my mom and my family, I wanted to change. And I'll never forget. I was at this party. I was like 22 years old and I'm 280 pounds. Almost. I'm disgusted with the way that I felt in my body. And I just, something about this night was different. I felt this kindling, this spark. I put down my drink. I had a beer. I put down the beer. I walked outside of the party and I just started to sprint. I was so disgusted with how I felt my body. I knew there was something more to life than what I was doing,

which is just masking the way that I felt. And I sprinted for two to three miles, man. I got home. I opened up my laptop. I start researching, how am I going to change my body? How am I going to change my health? And over the next year it was trial by fire. I mean, I lost 90 pounds, over 90 pounds up and down on, on essentially starvation diets. I did Atkins. I did low carb, low calorie. It was, I didn't have the tools. I did not have the education and the tools. So flash forward a year, I'm 23. I'm so frustrated now that from the up and down weight gain, by the way, the beliefs are still there, the crazy ones we talked about. And I decided that I was going to change my scenery. And a lot of people can

relate to this because sometimes in life, we feel that if we change our scenery that our problems go away. But when I got to Hawaii, I moved to Hawaii. I surfed and hiked and fished and started researching. I realized that changing my scenery did not change the way I felt inside because wherever you go, there you are. And I took my beliefs and my stories and all the things that I hadn't dealt with from childhood with me. So I'm in Hawaii. I'm working out. I'm learning about all the things of sustainable health, sustainable weight loss.

And I'm working at a gym. A manager comes up to me and says, hey, I've seen you exercise. You should think about being a trainer. And I responded, what's a trainer? I didn't even know what a trainer was. I ended up doing that for the next eight years and becoming my own boss, having my own company, wellness force, training clients in a studio, doing online programs. But something started to weigh me down and I would go to work and I would actually start feeling like I couldn't be that positive support that my clients paid and deserved. paid and deserved. So I didn't know what it was at this time. And I'm waking up in the mornings, years are going by, and I start to feel this heavy depression, heavy weight on my chest.

And I didn't know exactly how to pinpoint it, but I did know that I was getting burnt out. I was on my feet 10, 12 hours a day in gyms and I wanted to change, but I didn't have the resources. I didn't have the inspiration to change. So I allowed these beliefs that said, Hey, Josh, you're not a good coach. You're not a good fitness trainer. You're not a good wellness consultant because if you were, you wouldn't be so stressed out. Now, little did I know that what was stressing me out was the fact that I have always thought that I can't trust people and that money causes pain and that, and that bad things are going to happen. So I wasn't dealing with the root cause, those inner beliefs. And that led me to a job in corporate America. I left training and coaching in 2012, completely left everything I knew, went to sell endurance sports software,

sat in a cubicle. Rob, I don't know if you can relate to this or anyone listening can relate to this. The first time you sit into a cube, and by the way, sitting in a cube is not bad, but the first time that I sat in that cube, I had this ESPN ticker tape, you know, where the score comes across the bottom of the screen. And it said, this is where grown men go to die. And I had this feeling in my chest of, oh my God, yes, I'm going to make financial security for myself happen. But I kind of knew at that moment that I was committing spiritual suicide because I went the path of fear. I didn't know at that time what I was afraid of, but I knew I didn't want to deal with it. So now transitioning to the last part of the story is where I made the transition. And I said, hey, you know what? It's been two years. So for those two years, 2012 to

the very beginning, January of 2015, I was learning about software and technology, which really helped me in the long run learn about different programs. But I never really had the opportunity to enjoy what I was doing because there was this raging voice inside of me that says, go back to what you love, do what you are called to do. And that is wellness and fitness and training and coaching. But I had to go through a road of discovery for that. So for two years, I joined a men's group. I did inner work. I worked on those beliefs, facing those beliefs from childhood so that I could go through them in an experiential workshop in Maria del Rey. It was called Mastering Transformational Training.

And that workshop, honestly, Rob, changed my life because I was able to heal the wounds with my father. I was able to love my mom in the best way that I could. I apologize to people for pushing them away. And you never really know how you're being in life until people can give you the honest and interruptive feedback that you deserve. And unfortunately, our friends and family, they love us. They're not going to give us that feedback that we deserve. So experiential workshops, whether it's Landmark or anything else, they have the power to transform. So now that allowed me to give myself permission to do the real entrepreneur's work, which was launching my business, launching my digital health coaching practice, and having the cool ability to sit here with you and share it to your audience. It's been a journey, man. to sit here with you and share it to your audience. It's been a journey, man. And I know it's going to have a lot more twists and turns, as I know you know as an entrepreneur, someone that

does not walk the linear path. Man, that's an incredible story. And I want to back up and go a little bit further into what you said. So you were talking about the three things, the three beliefs that you had. Can you think of a specific time or what specifically in your upbringing made you believe those three things about money and life and people can't be trusted? Yeah, I think when I was a kid, well, first of all, I was raised on Section 8 housing and fed by the welfare program. So, you know, Wheaties cereal and government cheese, no produce, no veggies. This is the 1980s. I'm 35. So back then, my mom did not have really any sustenance coming in. So we were on welfare. My brother and I did the best we could. I remember the most exciting thing for me was being able to get

a candy bar. That was a huge treat. So I learned at an early age that money is scarce. So I had a scarcity mentality around money. Now my dad, he went the other direction. He left when I was two and he dedicated his life to making money. And so I had this hole in my heart that said, well, my dad's not around. Why is he not around? Oh, it's because he's making money. So people that make money are bad and people that make money don't care about other people. Yeah. So those were the beliefs that I formulated when I was a kid. Now, looking back, I think most kids would have fallen into that. So I have compassion for myself at that age, but that did lead me down this pretty rough road before

transformation, before I was actually able to look at why I've been acting the way I've been acting for so long. That's incredible. So I know, um, you were talking about, you went to, to the experiential or whatever it was, and you talked about landmark, the, the actual therapy itself. And I feel like a lot of people, they know that they need to go to therapy. They feel like there's some longing in them where if, if I could just talk to somebody and get this weight off of my chest, I feel like I'd feel so much better, but there's maybe an ego that's in the way of, you know, I can't, especially for us guys that say, I can't go tell somebody all my problems and I'm supposed to be a man about it and do all of these things or just whatever it

might be. What tips would you give someone to go out and seek some type of therapy, whether it be talking with friends or talking with other people or actually going to somebody who's, you know, a licensed therapist? This is an awesome question. And my answer is that the energy doesn't lie. I don't know if you can relate, but whenever there's a time you're speaking with someone and you love what they're saying, but there's something in your stomach, like this existential feeling that you can't trust them, that's the truth. The truth is undefeated. Gary Vaynerchuk, right? I mean, everything that we feel from someone else has a hint of truth in it. So whenever I'm looking for advice or direction, let's say I'm just starting out

in my process of self-discovery or personal development, get advice from the people that resonate with you, that you actually tangibly feel trust with. Because there's a lot of self-help gurus out there, Rob. There's a lot of people that just want to make money off of other people. And that's okay. Making money is great, but it has to be in a integrous way. And so when you're starting out, look for people that have the results you want. So if you're getting advice about personal development from someone, make sure that they're embodying the qualities in their life and their marriage and their relationships that you want too. It's really easy to get pulled into a quick scheme or a quick free weekend

where they promise to change your life and make you be able to be an ocean captain. But the only ability that we have to change is step by step by step. So walk in the path of the people who have done that and then seek advice and compensate them for their services, whether it's a workshop or a coach. But that would be it.

Trust the energy from the beginning. But that would be it. Trust the energy from the beginning. Absolutely. That's great. And you said something that is really a great phrase I've never even thought of when you talked about getting into corporate America. And you said you went the path of fear. And I feel that most people, I don't know if it's just society or if it's just because we're told to go to college and then we're supposed to go get a job and pay the bills and buy a house and go this route. And I feel like most people kind of go the route of fear where I can make this money and I'll be comfortable if I do this, but they find out that their heart really isn't there.

And it seems like you went that way and then you broke out of it. So what tips would you give someone if they went the path of fear, if they're sitting in corporate America, if they're just working a job that they don't love, that they don't feel passionate about, what tips would you give them to break out of it and really follow the passions that they do have? Well, I can just go off of my story, Rob, from a truthful place. I don't think there's ever the right time to take action except for this moment, because there's never going to be this dream situation where, oh, it's great because I know in Q3 that I'm going to taper off my workload and then I'll be able to spend more time working on my dream outside of work. I think it takes dedicated, daily, consistent, massive action

to achieve that jumping point where you actually do what it is you love. I'm not saying that you should do something silly like quit your job or get fired or whatever it was. I was actually in a position where I was let go. I was laid off and it was the biggest gift I could have ever imagined. But I'll tell you, the learning curve was hard because for a while there wasn't money coming in. So I had to really, really put some sweat equity into making the money come in. And I would not wish that on someone else. So the smart goal would be set something that's attainable, set something that's realistic. As far as a jumping point, put a date out there, pick a specific date where you're going to work

on your craft and make that something where on this date, I'm making the jump, whether it's six months, nine months, a year, but have something that's a, that's where on this date, I'm making the jump, whether it's six months, nine months, a year, but have something that's a forward-looking goal, something tangible to where you know, like, hey, I might feel crappy now. I might feel helpless sitting here in the cube or whatever it might be. I know I'm not living my dream, but I know that on February 16th, I'm quitting my job no matter what happens and I'm making the jump then. Pick a date and just quitting my job no matter what happens and I'm making the jump then. Like pick a date and just hold yourself to it. Absolutely. It's like the phrase that I heard the other day, which is the key to success is to start before you're ready because nobody ever is going to be ready. Oh man,

absolutely. Nothing's ever going to perfectly align. The day will never come. I want to ask you something and it's interesting for me because I'm very much a student of psychology, of self-help, and trying to figure out what makes, you know, you see a successful person that could have a completely horrible background, and all of these things could have happened to them. And you could see someone with the exact same background, but they went on a completely different life path. And for me, I know I had a lot of struggles. You know, I speak about in other episodes where I had an alcoholic father that, you know, passed away when I was 15 years old and I could have gone a different route. And for you, you could have gone a different route as well. What do you think it is,

just your own personal psychology, what do you think it is that growing up people, they either have really bad things happen to them and they could go one way where they could say, hey, this is going to cripple me. And I'm just going to take this route of mediocrity or go into drugs or whatever it might be. But then there's other people that could have the exact same background and they use that as a stepping point and something to empower them to never be that way. So what do you think it is with the human psychology that makes someone go left or go right in that situation? Rob, I'm so glad I'm on your show right now. I love this question. I think about things like this all the time because as I said, my mom's manic bipolar. My dad actually has cognitive dissidence around things that are connective and emotional in

nature. So I know exactly where this question is headed for me. And my answer is it depends on your connection to your purpose. I think when people don't have purpose, that's the most depressing and most energetic misappropriation we could ever have in our lives. Because when you're not focused on a clear goal, it's really difficult to do the things you don't want to do. What's the motivation to continue to do them if you don't have a clear purpose what's the motivation to continue to do them? If you don't have a clear purpose without that clear purpose, you're clear offering whatever dent you want to make in the universe, whatever you want to leave here when you're gone. If you don't have a strong connection to that, and I mean strong enough to withhold the redesign of that society will bring it, you know, whether it might be a loss of a limb, a loss of a family

member, um, being broke, being homeless, like things are going to happen. You're going to get injured. People around you are going to let you down. If your vision and your focus is clear, that will be the difference I feel like between two twins that are born in the same family. One brother becomes an addict. The other brother becomes a CEO. What's the difference? The difference is the connection to the purpose. It has nothing to do with genetics or epigenetics. We know that those things can be adjusted through lifestyle and through mindset and through the application of habit. So I truly feel, Rob, that it's the connection to purpose. How many men in the world lose their jobs and then commit suicide? They think, oh my God, it's over. Well,

that's not true. If you have a purpose, it's never over. You're always just working towards your purpose. That's great. It's like you see a lot of times or someone might have been an alcoholic or addicted to drugs. And then out of nowhere, like for instance, a man might be addicted to drugs and then his girlfriend might get pregnant. And it's just like that switch where it clicks for him. And it's like, actually my life has meaning and there's some purpose behind it. I got to give up these drugs and start working towards being a better person for my purpose, which would at that time be their children, which, you know, I feel like time and time again can actually happen. So that's, that's great. Well, let's, let's take a, excuse me, a little bit of a turn.

What I want to do is talk about what you're doing now, talk about fitness, because I am a huge into fitness and I usually work out five or six times a week. I try not to do seven times a week, but it's just some days I just have to go. I feel like whether it be yoga on those days or whatever it might be, but with your company now with Wellness Force, what you're doing, give us a quick synopsis of what you're doing with Wellness Force. And then we'll dive a little bit deeper into fitness if you would. Cool. Yeah. Wellness Force is my business I've had since 2009. And my vision with Wellness Force, my clear vision is to empower over 1 million lives to better wellness through technology. So that is

my ultimate goal. The way that I accomplished that goal is through digital health devices, applications, and the independent program that I run with my coaching groups. So I use the devices like a Fitbit or a Jawbone combined with applications. I've partnered with Nudge Coach, they're a HIPAA compliant app, and it allows me to create a really customized, finally, truly customized program based on the data that people's bodies create. So I know that if I have a client, Jane Smith, and she's sleeping a certain amount, she's taking this many steps per day, she's exercising at a heart rate in her range this much per day, she's drinking enough hydration, this many cups per day. And it allows me to quantify her nutrition based on her serving. So we look at in my, in my coaching

practice, we look at their activity level, their hydration, their nutrition, and their exercise. We add in sleep as a component because sleep is so important to restoration. So with those four to five buckets, the device they wear allows me to track that seamlessly. I communicate to them through the application and it's really powerful because finally, I think what frustrated me for so long, what made me so angry as a trainer is that they would see me two and three times a week, but I never knew what my clients were doing, how they were showing up in their lives the rest of the time. So with this digital health coaching practice, I now have this very unique way to give clients the right touch points at the right time based on the data their bodies create. And it's allowed me to have increased

accountability like never before. It's been really powerful. So I think that's what I'm most focused on now with Wellness Force. And then I share that message through the podcast and on my site. That is awesome. So I think you explained it, but let me, I want to go a little bit more in depth because you said something about it where it's, you mentioned a few things like the Fitbit and all of those, but when you say digital health devices, what exactly are you talking about? And then how do you get all of the information of this person's, how many steps they took, how many calories they burned, their heart rate, all of this. And then from there, what makes you decide to make adjustments? Because I think that that's a, that question is very key because most people, they see something

online, they see a specific workout, and then they say, oh, this is, this works for this person. This is going to work for me. And then they try it and it doesn't work. So it seems like for me, they're wearing this. And then you're getting all of the stuff that the feedback of everything they do that day. And you're giving them a customized solution for exactly what they need to do for their body. Is that correct? Yeah. And if people throw around that word, Rob customized, customized means that it's truly created for the individual. And the only way as a coach, you're going to know how that individual shows up in their life is by looking at their data. Because it's all anecdotal. When you ask someone, how has your week been? They don't know. They have a busy week. They're not really sure

how much they ate, how much they drank, how much they did. So as a coach, especially as a fitness coach or a health coach, I'm a digital health coach. If I can look at a 30-day high-level view of how someone's sleeping, eating, moving, drinking, I am going to have a very, very clear picture of the unique touch points and the coaching that I can give them. So for example, if I have a fat loss client, I have to approach that way differently than a gentleman who wants to gain muscle. Right. And the way that I do that, yes, it's by having a holistic plan. It's by looking at the client as a whole. But I guess the power and the unique keystone of this digital health, Rob, is that I have

the ability to give my clients touch points throughout the day in real time based on their data that allows them to make better choices and faster progress. Honestly, the accountability increases, the connection increases. I have, I have a group that everyone participates in through my nudge coaching app, where it's a secure app. We're all communicating there. Um, Facebook's really crowded. Every emails, email inboxes are really crowded. That app that I have partnered with, it allows people to live and breathe and communicate all around their goal. People have so many things distracting them from their goals.

And I want to give people a little ecosystem where they can communicate 100% about their goal and they can have these healthy competitions with each other too. Oh, that is awesome. I didn't even know that. What'd you say it was called, Nudge? It's called Nudge Coach. And I'm doing, maybe I'll share with the audience at the end. There's a webinar that I'm doing about it. If

anybody wants to learn, I can send you the link for your show notes too. Yeah, that would be great. Let me ask you this for technology, because I remember a couple of years ago when they started talking about wearables, I was like, that seems kind of cool. But I saw all of this stuff where they're saying wearables are going to be huge. You know, they see it as billions and billions of dollars are going to bring in. I was in, in my head, I was like, I don't really see that happening. And then in the past six months, I've realized that I was completely wrong and everybody else was right about the fact that it was going to explode. But with technology, what, let me ask you this. What's your favorite piece of technology that you love using, use the most, you recommend the most. And then what is the newest one that's been the most

exciting that you've heard in the past couple of months? I really like the Fitbit charge and the Fitbit surge. And I like them because I think they've made it as seamless as anyone can make it seamless and seamless, meaning it automatically tracks it. All you have to do is turn on all day sync and it'll sync it for you all day, the way that it reports everything to you. So when you pop open your iPhone or your Android, it's really easy to use. I think right now, because it's so new, I'm sure you remember when cell phones came out, you had to wear like a backpack and it had like a 10 inch antenna sticking out. That's kind of what wearables have been over the last three years. But finally, finally, finally, as Fitbit has gone IPO and as competition from Jawbone and Garmin and Misfit

and all these other companies have come up, it's really made the market compete. And when the market competes, we, the consumer, get a better product. So I like the Fitbit, those two products I mentioned. I think the Jawbone's great. I also think Garmin makes some awesome stuff. And for people that just want something very simple, the Misfit Shine or the Shine 2 is a great device as well. So it just depends on, you know, one of the things I do when I meet with someone

is figure out, okay, what's your life? How technologically savvy are you? And what's going to be the best device for you? But personally, I like the Fitbit. I think it's an easy product to use. And the thing I like about it the most, as I had said, is just the seamlessness. It's so easy. Yeah. I've actually been considering, I lost my heart rate monitor, the chest piece that goes across it. And it was a Garmin one. So I've been considering getting the Fit. I think it's the Fitbit Charge HR, the heart rate one. You know what, Rob? I'll be honest, man. And I'll say here on your show, I did a AB split test

with the heart rate at the wrist. The brachial nerve is a great measurement. There's a device called the Rhythm. It's Scosche makes it. It's called the Rhythm Plus. And the further away we take the heart rate from the heart, especially when we're training, the less accurate it is. And on my AB split test, I found that my surge was 10 beats per minute off. I mean, that is massive to be 10 beats per minute off. Yeah. Because the Scosche has been validated by many universities as the top heart rate tracking device that's not a chest strap. And I got to say, man, I don't even use the heart rate monitor too much on my surge. Now

for just resting heart rate, I think it can be accurate, but for training, I don't like it. So there's ways to use it for resting heart rate, but training, you're going to have to wear something either on the chest or on the forum. See, I'm so glad you said that. Cause that was the reason why I have, why I actually have not bought it. It was cause I keep reading on Amazon that it's not a hundred percent accurate. It's not. There's a post that I did. It said, why Fitbit won't win? And it's about heart rate tracking. And it's my test that I did in my life and for my clients. And it's just, I mean, the reality is that we need to get the heart rate from as close to the heart as possible. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's pretty much it. So, so that's your, your favorite couple pieces.

What's the, the one that you're most excited about that's new or that you heard might be coming out? Oh man, the best one is going to be the, um, there's a device that is supposed to be a non-invasive glucose monitor. That is the last piece because I'll tell you like right now I can get data from my client's sleep exercise and activity, but I don't know what their calories are exactly. If I had a device that, and there's one called HealBee, it's called GoBee, and the company is HealBee. It's a company from Russia.

They did a Kickstarter, but then I think they got sued or something because no one has it. No one has it yet, but the technology's there. It's going to come out in the next three years or less. We're going to have a way to accurately measure the calories that people are eating based on how their blood sugar changes. And we're going to know exactly what's going on. I mean, it's like, think of, think about the movie, um,

with the robots X, X Machina or X Machina. Did you see that film? I don't think so. No. Okay. You got to see it. Everyone has to go see that movie because that is a glimpse of, of artificial intelligence and the technology that's coming out. It's coming and it's coming faster than people realize actually. That is awesome. Let me ask you about this because I heard you say something about it in other podcasts and I've been thinking, actually had the conversation about it yesterday, about possibly buying Muse. How often do you use it? Actually, could you explain what it is first and then how often do you use it and what have you seen it help you with as far as meditation? Since probably 2008, 2009, I've known about the benefits of meditation, but knowledge and execution has a pretty big gap in

the middle of it. And for me, the way that I bridge that gap is through digital health. So I bought the Muse early this year, The Muse brain sensing headband, it's by a company called Interaxon. And what this device does is it monitors your alpha, beta, and theta brainwaves. So when you're in a relaxed, focused state, it's called the flow state, it knows when you're in that state, and it'll actually monitor the millivolts that your brain is putting off. So when it does that, it quantifies your meditation. So not only does it give you a reminder to meditate, but when you wear the device, it actually shows you what breathing technique you did, what guided meditation process you're

using, whatever it might be. And it shows you with data how you're doing. So not only the quantity of your meditation, but also the quality. And I think for me, I just like that because maybe it stems back to my trust issues when I was a kid, but I like having the proof. I like having the proof of, hey, what I'm doing is actually working. And data is a great way to see that. So that's what the Muse does. I do it every morning and I typically do it for 10 minutes. But honestly, sometimes as a stress reduction tool, I'll do it again during the day. If I'm having a moment where I'm angry or where I'm frustrated, I'll sit down and do it again. I have a little meditation stool in my house. That's awesome. What, how long have you been doing meditation and what role has it really played in your life? You know, I know you

said you do it for about 10 minutes or sometimes more if you need to. And what, what benefits have you seen from it? Cause I talk a lot about it, um, in my podcast, And what, what benefits have you seen from it? Cause I talk a lot about it in my podcast, but what, what benefits have you seen from it from before you started to, to now today? The start of meditation for me, I think again, was like 2008. It was, I started doing yoga, actually a core power yoga, and they were doing this little Shavasana at the end, like a 10 minute of just stillness. And it was so hard for me to stay still that, that I was like, okay, I need to discover what this is. Like, why is it so hard for me to be still? And then I went to a retreat at the Chopra center in Sandy and Carlsbad here in San Diego. And, um, that was really difficult for me. And I thought, okay, if something's hard for me to do, and I know that there's benefits that are quality around it,

you know, presence, mindfulness, stress reduction, things like that. I'm going to make this something that I get better at. And I struggled for years, man. I mean, to create a consistent practice, I don't know if anybody can relate or if you can relate, the difficulty of having a miracle morning or taking meditation and making it something that you do every day, it's difficult because you don't see the results right away.

You don't automatically receive this check in the mail or lose weight or have instant mindfulness. It doesn't happen. But what I've seen, the impact for me is that it's something that I can go to when there's, if I'm going to act out, which is eating bad food, having a beer, whatever it might be, those are all choices that don't really serve me. And I'm a human being like the rest of us. Sometimes I slip and sometimes I perform an activity that doesn't have an alignment with my purpose. But the more things in my life that I can

place in there, like meditation and the accountability from Muse, the more I'm going closer towards my purpose and my vision. So I think for me, the Muse has been this beautiful way for me to stay more accountable to myself by having an exterior framework, by having this framework where I can count on it and it can count on me. That's awesome. And I saw that you were at the Integratron. Were you meditating there? Were you doing yoga? And could you give a quick, like, what is the Integratron? Because the way I found out about it was I saw a video on YouTube of, it was Jason Mraz, and he went into the Integratron and was singing, and he said that it was just the most incredible acoustic feeling he's ever felt. So could you give a quick little rundown of what that is and what exactly you did in the Integratron? I love that you asked this question. The Integratron, it's in Joshua Tree area. And my girlfriend actually bought it for me as a gift for our anniversary. So we went out to the Integratron. We get there. It was the craziest thing, man. No one's there. We're there first thing in the morning. The sun is out. We walk into this dome and it is the most resonating chamber you have ever, ever heard

in your whole life. It's like, it's like standing in the middle of a wooden speaker where angels breathe into it. And I'm, I'm sitting there and my girlfriend's singing cause she's got a great voice and she's singing and I'm laying on the floor and I could actually feel the vibration of her voice go through my chest just because of the way this, this Integratron is made. And you're right. There's, there's tons of artists. And we had a guided meditation where they use sound bowls. And I had these moments where I flashback to childhood. I'm there in the Integratron and I'm like remembering when I was on a swing at my grandparents' house. Like it was surreal. And I would recommend that everyone go check it out.

So I know Rob, you're going to go, right? Oh, I have to go. You got to go, man. I need to go. You guys just gave me like chill bumps just by thinking about the flashbacks as a kid. Cause I'm like, man, I got to go out there. I've heard amazing things about Joshua tree anyways, but to actually go to that as well. I know that in video, he's whispering in the very center of it and said, it's just, it sounds like he's screaming in his own ears and he was just whispering barely.

Yes. It's, it was seriously unforgettable. I would still recommend it. That is awesome. Well, I want to be mindful of your time, but let me ask you unforgettable. I would so recommend it. That is awesome. Well, I want to be mindful of your time, but let me ask you this. I know you talked a little bit about wanting to impact 1 million people, but at this point in time today, what drives you? What makes you wake up in the morning and work hard versus sitting around? And what are you trying to improve at today and for the rest of this year? Wow, so much, but I'll distill it into a couple. The number one thing that I'm trying to do

is prove the concept that I innately feel is true. And that is that in a group where you have accountability and you have connection and you have quantification, people that are actually knowing what everyone's doing based on numbers, I'm a strong believer that that will transform the health and fitness industry. And I'm doing my part to introduce digital health coaching to that industry. So that's my number one goal. That's how I feel I'm going to complete my vision of serving a million people because I know that digital health can scale. But the way that I'm going to do that, and this is number two, is by having laser focus.

One of the things that I fought in my life for so long was being a victim, being someone where, oh, things are happening to me and my friend let me down and I don't have enough money and I have to work too hard and working out is difficult and lettuce doesn't taste as good as chips and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like these are all things that, that essentially might be true. But the reality is, is that they're either going to happen to me or they're going to happen for me. Right.

So if I can constantly, constantly validate that mindset of things are happening for me, things are happening for me, that focus, that singular focus on creating those healthy habits that even when something does happen that's bad, I can still make it work for me. That's my number two. And then I think number three is just maintaining my personal health and health for me is emotional, physical and spiritual. You know, all the things that go into what I believe wellness is. It's a big picture, this wellness thing, this thing we're all trying to do. But if we can all focus on how we feel in our body, how we feel in our heart, and how we feel in our brain, those are the things that can really help us be the person we want to become. And

that's what I think keeps me going forward. That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for your time today. And I commend you for your vision of wanting to help and serve a million people and for everything that you're doing. And if people want to get a hold of you, I know you talked a quick about a webinar, but how can they get a hold of you? And then how can they find out about this webinar that you have coming up? Thanks, Rob. Yeah.

If I said anything today that made you go, what? Please reach out to me. It's Josh at wellnessforce.com. You can always check out the site. I have tons of articles about fitness technology, wellness technology, behavior change. It's wellnessforce.com. Rob, you have such a great show. And I think some of the people that listen to your show might resonate with some of the information we talk about in the podcast. It's the Wellness Force podcast. And I'm thinking too, this might be really cool. I will give you, Rob, a link for your audience and it's for a free digital health transformation guide. It's essentially 120 day program on what devices, what apps to use, kind of the framework and the methodology behind it. And it's at wellnessforce.com slash free guide. And I'll just give that to you for your show notes. And I'm happy to connect with anyone that felt something good from this episode. Awesome.

I love it. Thank you so much for your time, Josh. Thanks, Rob. And so that is it. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. If you like what you hear, please share with a friend, spread the love if you think it's something

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