The Mindset Mentor - How to Never Doomscroll Again
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Today, we're going to be talking about how to never doomscroll again.
Because let's be honest, you've done this before.
You've picked up your phone, and you say,
I'm just going to pick it up for a second.
And then somehow, 47 minutes later,
you're watching a stranger organize their refurb.
refrigerator or something, right? And you're like, what the hell just happened? Like, how did I just
get lost and lose part of my life to my phone when I was just picking up for a second? Well, here's what I
want you understand. Your brain got hijacked. These apps on your phone are not designed for your peace or
your entertainment. They are designed to steal your attention. And your attention is your life.
literally, whatever you put your attention to has your life force in some sort of way.
So do you want to give your life force to your phone or to your children or to your business
or to your marriage? Because when you doomscroll, I have to tell you, not just wasting your time.
You're giving away your presence. You're giving away your creativity, your focus, your peace.
you're giving away precious moments with these children that you have that are growing up very quickly
and you'll never get those moments back. You're giving up these like quiet moments where your
inspiration might whisper to you, where your wisdom might come through. And like let's be really,
really fucking real together. Okay. You will never be on your deathbed and wish that you had spent
more time watching other strangers lives through a phone. Because this doom scrolling
that you're doing, it's avoidance, it's dopamine seeking, it is boredom intolerance, and really it's
kind of just emotional numbing. And I say that with love because I find myself a victim of it too,
and I'll tell you how I get myself out of it. But I'll just tell you this, you will never,
ever regret putting your phone down and playing with your children. You won't regret reading a book
that was good for you, or taking a walk, or spending time with your spouse, or spending more time
in silence or putting more time into your business or creating the art that's living inside of you.
You won't regret doing those things, I promise you, but you will regret spending so much time on
your phone. And so let's talk about why we scroll like neurologically and psychologically.
And then I'm going to give you an actual four-step process for how you can get free of it from
good. So when you look at your brain, neurologically, your brain loves novelty. And so that means when you
look at your phone every new video or post or new notification is like this tiny little,
oh, hey, like maybe this will be interesting. And your dopamine system loves the maybe, the
anticipation of it. And that's what the reason why slot machines are so addictive. And that's why
when you look at the scrolling feature on your phone, it is developed to be like a slot machine.
That's why slot machines are so addictive. The scrolling feature was designed to keep you addicted
the exact same way. It's the exact mechanisms that make people addicted to these slot machines.
And so, FYI, just because you know this too, doesn't mean that you can just stop it.
Your brain will still get lost in it. And when you look at the scrolling,
underneath all of the scrolling, a lot of times what you're doing psychologically is you're
avoiding something. You're avoiding boredom or the feeling of loneliness or the uncomfortable
feeling of grief or being with yourself or fears that you might have or pressure that you might be
under or even just like actions that you need to take with your life. But when you look at all of
this, the good news is that your brain can change with effort. It's going to require effort on your
part for it to change, but it can change, which means that every time that you resist the urge to
scroll, when you want to bring your phone into the bathroom, when you get to the stoplight and
you're about to pick up your phone and you resist it and you put it back down and you choose something
healthier instead like maybe doing a couple breaths or deciding to read a book. Whatever it might be,
depending on where you are, you're actually rewiring the neural pathways that created the habit of
picking up the phone in the first place. That's how it works neurologically and psychologically in your
brain and why it is so addictive. But let's actually talk about the four-step process to stop this doom
scrolling. Okay. The first one is really important.
Get really pissed off.
Like really pissed off.
And I mean it.
Get pissed.
Not like a little bit pissed.
Like really fucking pissed about the fact that if you do not change now,
you're going to waste a significant percentage of your life looking at a phone.
You can get pissed off at the phone.
You can get pissed off of the apps.
You can get pissed off at the multi-billion dollar companies that are monetizing you as a product
by making sure that they trigger these little psychological and neurological things that will make you
more addicted. You can get pissed off that you're watching other people's lives instead of yours.
You can get pissed off that you say that you don't have time and you're so busy as we all do.
But then you look at your screen time and it shows how many hours you're actually wasting.
You can get pissed off that your kids are growing older and instead of actually spending that time with them,
you're staring at a glowing rectangle. You can get pissed off that your dreams are sitting there
waiting for you and you're just wasting the one life that you have, watching a bunch of stuff
that doesn't make your life better in any way. Now, when I say get pissed off, I'm not talking about
shame of yourself. I'm not talking about guilt of yourself. Those actually keep you more stuck.
I'm talking about like a clean anger, the kind that like wakes you well.
from the slumber that you've been in that says, fuck no, I'm not doing this anymore.
And we will be right back. And now, back to the show. I got to that point, just so you have an
idea, where what made me mad was how much of my life I was wasting on a phone. And I was like,
if I fast forward further into the future, I'm going to hate myself if I don't get off of this
thing. And so it's like a clean pissed off. Like one of the best things that you can do for change,
whether it's with your phone or with anything else, is to get pissed off. Sometimes when somebody is
addicted to drugs or alcohol, sometimes the biggest thing that changes from them is getting pissed off.
Like sometimes change doesn't have to start with like peace or like, oh my God, I had such a good journaling
session. You know what? I am going to change my life. Sometimes it starts with being so done with your
old patterns that you finally are like, I'm done with this. I'm choosing differently.
anger can be a really, really amazing tool for change. Okay, so number one, get real with yourself.
Whatever's going to piss you off the most, use it to get pissed off at this thing that's in front
of you that's stealing your life. Okay? That's number one. Get pissed. Like real piss, right?
Pist piss. Scream, break something. Actually, don't break anything. Get a pillow from slamming against
a bed. Whatever's you got to do. Don't hurt anybody. Don't hurt yourself. Get pissed. Be done with it.
You know, it's like one of my favorite quotes around change comes from AA and it says the only time that change happens is when the pain of remaining the same is more painful than the pain of change.
Okay.
Number one, get pissed.
Number two, you have to do this with me.
Okay.
Delete the apps that are stealing your time.
Stop trying to negotiate with an algorithm.
I've tried it.
We've all tried it.
It's so damn hard.
Just delete the apps.
30 days gone off your phone. If you have to absolutely have to have them for work, fine. You can use
your screen time app and you can set a limit for the smallest amount necessary of you needing to use
whatever it is, right? Or you could also make it really, really annoying for you to access.
Like one of the things that you could do is you can remove it from your home screen. You can log out
so that every time that you log back in, you have to put in your password. You could turn off the
notifications. You could put some form of friction between you and the pattern. Like you can get one of those
phone lock boxes that's locked for an hour, two hours, or whatever it is that you need. Because right now,
the problem is the habit is too easy. You want to create some sort of friction between you and the habit.
Because your thumb knows exactly where to go before your conscious brain does and is able to actually
interrupt the pattern. Like for instance, I have to have Instagram for work because, you know, I have
a following that I'm growing and, you know, people always come back to the podcast from the following
and all that type of stuff. But I deleted Instagram from my phone so I don't accidentally end up on it
and waste 17 minutes of my life in the middle of the day when I'm supposed to be doing something
productive. So I do have Instagram on my 12.5 inch iPad, which is very hard to use as I've just never
gotten lost in scrolling on Instagram on my iPad. And so I use it so that I can be productive
the way I need to be productive. So what I would recommend is either number one, delete the apps
or make it really, really hard to lose yourself accidentally in a habit of picking up and going
immediately to that. Okay. That's number two. Number three, replace the scroll with something that's
good for you. Good for you. I would recommend that you don't, at least in the beginning,
don't just remove the habit and leave a giant empty hole there. Your brain will
usually fill it with something else. If you delete it Instagram, well, now you're going to be on
Reddit or you're going to be on TikTok, whatever it might be. So give it something better. When you want
to go to TikTok and you've deleted it, pick up your phone and change the background to your phone
to say whatever it is that you're replacing it with. It could be big white letters on a black
background and it says, read a book or be with your kids. Whatever wakes you up from the unconscious
pattern of oh i just picked up my phone to go into whatever app this is right and then when you feel the urge to
pick up the phone have a replacement for it so you pick up your phone you're like i'm gonna go on ticot
you're unconsciously doing it and you find yourself oops i'd delete a tictock or oops my screen time won't let me in
because i've used it too much today and then you replace it with something that is good for you
read two pages do 100 squats do 100 push-ups go for a walk outside immediately go and get your journal in
journal for five minutes or just like I just picked up my phone I was going to do something I need to
sit in silence for 60 seconds so maybe you have your phone in your hand you go okay I'm going to set my
timer for 60 seconds and I'm just going to I'm just going to breathe right or maybe you stretch
literally do anything that gives you something back like something that gives to your life because
scrolling and just wasting your time on your phone it's taking something from you so it could be
movement or reading or creating or silence, all of those things give something to you.
Right? So that you're not just quitting doom strolling. You're replacing it with something that's
actually adding to your life. Okay. And then number four, figure out why you're doom scrolling.
This one's a little bit deeper as you start to go into it. Right. Like the deeper layer is ask yourself,
what am I trying not to feel? What am I avoiding in some sort of way? What emotion shows up when I put my phone
down because really, truly honestly, having coached thousands of people and working with a lot of people
for the past 15-ish years, a lot of people, the phone is not the actual problem. The phone is the
pacifier, right? The phone is the avoidance of something. The real thing is that they have anxiety,
or they are lonely, or they are overwhelmed, or they have trauma that they haven't overcome,
or they haven't gotten to the point where they've overcome the grief of losing somebody
that was important to them. So like behind all that, the real thing is something else. It's like,
I don't know what to do with my life or I'm stuck or I am wanting to start a business but I'm so
afraid to start. Or I have trouble sitting with my own mind because there's so much that gets in my
way. Right. And this is where like I really want you to develop like the habit of self-inquiry.
like sitting down and being like what am I trying not to feel like at what moments do I scroll the
most what am I feeling right before I pick up my phone because a lot of times what happens is people start
feeling anxious or they start feeling overwhelmed or they start overthinking and they start thinking about
the fact that they're wasting their life at a job that they don't love but they feel completely stuck in it
and so in order instead of feeling those feelings and working out how to remove themselves from that job
the easiest thing is just to go straight for the pacifier which is pick up the phone so I don't
have to feel the feelings. It's mentally checking out. It's the same reason like when I used to work
jobs that I hated and felt like I was stuck in life. When Friday would come, it was like, how can I get
drunk as fast as I possibly can? How can I go party Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? Why? It wasn't because I
wanted to party. It was because I was trying to avoid the feeling of I fucking hate my life. And so you've got to ask
yourself, like, what is behind all of this? And I want you to know like this really, really matters.
You don't need to watch another 700 videos to know what to do.
You don't.
Your phone is distracting you from your life.
And so you need to get pissed.
You need to be like absolutely mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually done with wasting your life on your phone.
The second thing you need to do is identify the apps that are really wasting the most of your life.
And you need to delete them.
or if you have to have them, limit your time.
And number three, you need to replace the habit
with something that's good for you.
And then number four, finally start healing
whatever you've been avoiding
because there is something behind that.
Number one and two and three,
they're a little bit difficult,
but they can definitely be easy to do.
Number four, that's the real challenge.
But when you dive into number four
and you really start healing it,
your life will become infinitely better.
So that's what I got for you for today's.
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