The Mindset Mentor - Will Psychedelics Save Mankind?

Episode Date: June 19, 2020

Psychedelics have gotten very popular in the past few years for their therapeutic properties, but how much do you know about them? In this episode, I am going to talk about MDMA, which has a better success rate for PTSD than anything... ever! If all goes well with the FDA trials, MDMA could be legal to take with a therapist in the next 6-12 months.Follow me on Instagram @RobDialJr https://instagram.com/robdialjr Want to learn more about Mindset Mentor+? For nearly nine years, the Mindset Mentor Podcast has guided you through life's ups and downs. Now, you can dive even deeper with Mindset Mentor Plus. Turn every podcast lesson into real-world results with detailed worksheets, journaling prompts, and a supportive community of like-minded people. Enjoy monthly live Q&A sessions with me, and all this for less than a dollar a day. If you’re committed to real, lasting change, this is for you.Join here 👉 www.mindsetmentor.com My first book that I’ve ever written is now available. It’s called LEVEL UP and It’s a step-by-step guide to go from where you are now, to where you want to be as fast as possible.📚If you want to order yours today, you can just head over to robdial.com/bookHere are some useful links for you… If you want access to a multitude of life advice, self development tips, and exclusive content daily that will help you improve your life, then you can follow me around the web at these links here:Instagram TikTokFacebookYoutube

Welcome to today's episode of the Mindset Mentor Podcast. I am your host, Rob Dial. And if you have not yet done so, hit that subscribe button since you never miss another episode. And hey, if you're out there, you've been listening for a while and you have not yet given us a review on iTunes or Stitcher or SoundCloud or Spotify, or however you listen to us, please give us a review. Let us know how we're doing over here. If you love the podcast,

how it's changed your life, all of that stuff. I would greatly, greatly appreciate it. So today we're going to be talking about psychedelics. Not all psychedelics. We're going to talk about one psychedelic specifically, and that is MDMA, also known as ecstasy, for those who have taken the party drug ecstasy before. And I'm going to first talk about the statistics of what's happening with the FDA approvals that are going on with MDMA, because most people have an incorrect preconceived notion around what MDMA is. And then I'm going to actually talk about my experiences with it and just tell you what I think of it, tell you about what I've learned from going through it as well. So people always ask me, you know, when I talk about psychedelics of where to start. Now, here's the first thing I'll say. I don't recommend that every single person does psychedelics.

I don't think that it's necessary that every person does them. But I do think that, I'll be honest with you, I think that psychedelics are going to save the world. I think that it's going to save humankind. And the reason why is because I have seen so much change in myself and a lot of other people who I know who have done psychedelics of just being more, having more empathy, having more sympathy, having more love for people that are around them. And let's talk about what a psychedelic is first. So a psychedelic, just so you know, a psychedelic isn't always necessarily a hallucinogen. So MDMA is a psychedelic, but it's not a hallucinogen. So a hallucinogen makes you hallucinate, which is what most people

are afraid of. If you take mushrooms or if you take LSD or if you take ayahuasca, those are psychedelics, but they're also hallucinogens. So your reality changes. A psychedelic, the word psychedelic actually means psycha, means mind. Delic means clear, clear mind. You're able to see clearly. The way that I explain it best in my mind of how I think MDMA is, and I always recommend, you know, I'm not recommending anything actually. Let me start off by saying that I'm not recommending anything, but if I were to go back and do them over, this is how I would do it. I would start off with MDMA and do a couple of MDMA sessions first, because it's very easy. It's very beautiful and amazing. And it's one of the guys

that I've seen that had PTSD and overcame his PTSD said it's basically like being hugged by everybody that you know at one time. Everybody that you know and love, it's like being hugged by them and receiving all of their love while also being licked in the face by a bunch of tiny little puppies. It's just you feel amazing. You feel love and you feel incredible and everything's so clear. And the way I always explain it is like if you walk up to a table Most people when you go to meditate It's like walking up to a table and the table has everything that you need to know to change your life to make your life

Better, but when you go to meditate, it's like the table is just covered in shit Like there's not actual shit, but i'm talking about just crap and you know Papers and files and all of these things that you've left over years and years and years and years, but you're trying to get to the table. And so when you sit down to meditate, you sit down and you want to get to the table, but you keep having all these things pop up. And those things that are all popping up are all things that have been left all over the table for years and years. And it's so hard to get to the root of what you actually want to work at because there's so many things on the table.

hard to get to the root of what you actually want to work at because there's so many things on the table. Taking MDMA and meditating for six hours, which is what I've done before, is like walking up to the table, throwing all of the stuff on the floor, and now all you have is a table and you can work on the things that actually truly matter. That's the example that I give. Let me give you some statistics though before I dive into how it's worked for me. And you can have an idea of how this is actually starting to change the world. So there are 8 million people in the United States that suffer from PTSD. 8 million people that suffer from PTSD. And there are tens of millions of people across the world that suffer from PTSD. There is a foundation called MAPS, M-A-P-S, which stands for the Multidisciplinary Association

of Psychedelic Studies. They've been around since the mid 80s, 1986 actually, and they just finished phase two trials of 107 participants who had PTSD for at least 17.8 years. That was the average was 17.8 years is how long they've had PTSD. After two to three sessions of MDMA, which means they take the MDMA, they sit there with a therapist and they speak to the therapist for a few hours. And then they have a few extra sessions without the MDMA, just sitting with a therapist and talking, going through psychotherapy. and talking, going through psychotherapy. In the phase two trials, 107 participants took place in this and 56 no longer qualified for PTSD after just two months of treatment.

Now, before I tell you the next statistic, just think about that for a second. They did two to three sessions of MDMA and then some psychotherapy with an actual qualified therapist. And within two months, they got rid of their PTSD that they had had for an average of 17.8 years. Now, at the 12-month follow-up, here's what's crazy. 68% of people no longer have PTSD. So it went from 56% to 68%, which actually shows you that the sessions, the MDMA sessions and the psychotherapy sessions actually

changed their mind and changed their life and changed their habits and patterns and the way that they viewed everything around them even more after the sessions were over. Now, if that isn't incredible to you in the first place, two to three sessions over the course of two months were able to get a total after a year of 68% of the people who had PTSD for an average of 17.8 years to be completely rid of their PTSD. That's insane. And it's ridiculous. And the FDA, just so you know, on August 16th, 2017, granted breakthrough therapy designation to MDMA for the treatment of PTSD. And according to some sources that I know that are quite high up in all of this, this could be legal to go and see a therapist

and sit down with a therapist and take MDMA within the next six to 12 months. That's pretty incredible. One of the guys who was suffering says, I felt like I went through 15 years of psychotherapy in one night. And what's happening is what it is doing is it is addressing the root cause of your PTSD, of the person's PTSD, not simply masking the symptoms. See, what happens with pharmaceuticals is that they mask the symptoms. They make you not feel. What happens with the MDMA is it makes you feel even more.

But when you go through and feel this, you're actually able to change the way that you think about this. So you're actually reprocessing the trauma versus masking it. Does that make sense? So MDMA, you go through and you reprocess the trauma in a different way versus actually just masking it. Two to three sessions, not taking pills every single day like these people have been doing for so long. So all of the people who went through this, just so you know as well, had all had other treatments and all of them failed. So it's not like this was their first try of getting better. They had gone through many different treatments and all of them failed.

And MDMA was actually a therapy drug. MDMA, I think it was 1914 was when it was developed and it was found. It was a therapy drug for years and years and years until it was outlawed in the 70s when they did the war on drugs. And what it does is it releases, so you have an idea what's going on in your brain. It releases the serotonin inside of your brain, which makes you feel good. It releases something called oxytocin. Oxytocin is also called the cuddle chemical. It is what's released into a mother's brain whenever she has a newborn, which makes her fall in love. It's like that immediate thing makes you fall in love with, and from what a lot of

stuff I've read of psychologists and therapists and doctors actually say, is that oxytocin is the reason why our species survived. It's because when that baby comes out, that mother usually immediately falls in love with that baby, no matter what it looks like, no matter what's going on, because of that oxytocin. And the oxytocin that's running through her brain is now processing in real time that love for that child. And it's actually restructuring her brain. So what it does when it releases the oxytocin is it helps with self-love and it helps with less self-judgment, which is what a lot of people actually suffer from. And PTSD, when I'm talking about PTSD, I'm not just talking about somebody who went to war

in Iraq and Afghanistan, although they were in that. And some of the biggest, most amazing success stories actually come from that. But PTSD can be any form of trauma in the way that someone relives the trauma inside of their head. It could be war. It could be sexual abuse. It could be physical abuse. It could be emotional abuse. It could be any form of trauma. A lot of psychologists that I've been reading about think that there's going to be massive amounts of trauma and PTSD that come from the coronavirus alone. Whether that be the fear of how they've been living their life or losing the job and now they have to go through everything, they think that the amount of PTSD that could come from the coronavirus could be massive. And what it does is it turns down,

could be massive. And what it does is it turns down, it releases oxytocin, which makes you love and makes you feel amazing. It makes you feel safe. And it turns down the amygdala. The amygdala is the actual fear mechanism in your brain, the one that creates fear. And so what it allows you to do is think about this. If you have trauma in your past, and we all have some form of trauma, right? You know, I can think about many traumas that I have from my past, is what it does is it turns down the fear mechanism, the amygdala, and it releases the oxytocin. So it's more self-love, more love in general, the cuddle chemical.

And what it does is the easiest way to explain it that I explain to people is it's like all of the barriers and walls that you've built up to protect yourself, you take this drug and you feel safe. You feel like, okay, I can go back and I can relive these traumas. I can rethink them. So you can revisit traumatic experiences without the fear. Revisit them. The things that you haven't been wanting to go back and revisit, you revisit them without fear and you reprocess it. And the other thing that's great about oxytocin is when you're reprocessing old memories is it actually helps with memory reconsolidation, which means

that you can go back and relive a traumatic event and actually change the way that you feel about it and the emotions that are attached to it, which actually restructures your brain. So you get to reprocess the traumatic memory or event and reattach a new emotion to it. Just think about that for a second. How many people do you know, myself included, yourself included, that should go back and relive certain traumas and attach a new memory and emotion to that memory? Hey everybody, real quick. Let me talk about one of my favorite products that I take every day. It's called Athletic Greens, and it's the ultimate all-in-one health drink with 75 vitamins, minerals, and whole food sourced ingredients,

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and the brain actually regrows new neural pathways in your brain around an old memory or event. You actually change the structure of your brain and relive and reprocess an old traumatic memory. So that's the statistics and also the science of the way that it works. Let me explain to you my first session, which I will say was not done in America for legal reasons. I have to say that because clearly it's not legal yet, but we're going to go ahead and say that it wasn't in America. And, um, I was, uh, I remember that, that whenever you do these types of things, you could, whenever you do any type of type of psychedelic, you should take it very, very serious, more serious than you've ever taken anything in your entire life. And so, um, I went into it with the feeling of, uh, with the intention of, I want to just

learn to love everybody better. That's it. I just feel like I, if I feel like the only thing holding me back is that I need to just be better at loving everybody. And if I could get better at that, then I already am. Then that's going to make my life so much easier. And so I went, went in with the intention of just, I want to love people more. I want to be more empathetic, more sympathetic, just love people more, be accepting, not being judgmental, any of those things. And I went in and I took the MDMA and the very first thing, it takes about 30, 40 minutes to hit you. You know, I had headphones on and the headphones were, you know, complete noise canceling. So I couldn't hear anything but that. And I had a weighted blanket on. So it's about a 25 pound blanket

because it actually makes you, there's statistics around what a weighted blanket does neurologically and makes you feel like you're, it lights up the parts of your brain that make you feel like you're being held by your mother or by someone that you love as a child. And so I had the weighted blanket as well. And the very first thing popped into my head

was my dad's face. And I was like, that's interesting. I want to love people more. Why is my dad popping up? And what I realized was that I didn't, I never blamed my dad for all of the stuff that happened for his, for those of you guys that haven't been listening to the podcast for a long time. My father passed away when I was 15 years old from being an alcoholic. All of the memories I have of my father

was him being an alcoholic. And I realized that I accepted it, that I didn't judge him, that I understood why he was the way that he was because of his demons in his past and his traumas that he never overcame, but I didn't love him for it. And I realized if you think about love and loving all

the other people, my parents would be at the top. So my parents would be at the top. If one of them, if my love for one of them is messed up, it's going to mess everything up down the line. And so I realized the thing that was holding me back and fully loving and accepting and being empathetic for other people was my lack of love for my dad. So I started thinking about it. I was like, how can I love this guy more when I don't even remember a whole lot of him besides the fact that he was an alcoholic and the traumas and all of that stuff. And, um, the immediate thing that popped in my head and what I spent hours going through and reprocessing, um, I don't remember any specific events like that

didn't pop. There probably was some events that popped in my head, not that I can specifically remember. But one of the things that I remember that was the most eye-opening for me was this, was to give you an idea of why my father was an alcoholic, just so you have an idea. My father's father worked for Monsanto, which if you know about Monsanto, is pretty much the evilest company in the world. They're the ones that are basically creating, they're in charge of a lot of the farming industry and basically fucking up everything. He developed stomach cancer. My grandfather did. He went from a deacon in the church to an alcoholic. And at 12 years old,

my dad heard a gunshot go off. He walked into my parents' room in the middle of the night and had seen my grandfather, who had just shot himself in the mouth with a shotgun. So that was my father's story. And he never overcame that. And his traumas and his demons and all the stuff he never dealt with, I guess you could say,

ended up making him commit suicide, or not commit suicide, but kind of committing suicide through alcohol. Became an alcoholic and, you know, he was, had some back issues. So he was also taking pain medication on top of it. I think it just took his liver out really quickly. So, so what happened now that you know, and I have to tell you that story so you can understand what I went through during this MDMA process is I realized that I wasn't loving my father. And then what happened was I went back and I imagined what it would be like to be 12 years old and to walk into the room at 12 years old

and see what my father saw. And not only that, but what I also did was also feel the feelings that he would have felt waking up the next morning. And if you've ever been in a house where someone dies, not in the house specifically, but you've ever just like had that void that somebody dying left in your life. Imagine if you're 12 years old, you're now quote unquote, the man of the house. You've got two younger sisters and you've got a mother and those are the only ones in that feeling. I like, I had that physical visceral feeling as if I was him. And the only thing that I could pop up in my head

was how could I not love that little kid? Like there's, there's no, there's no thought in my mind of judging that child or judge because my dad was when he did die at 48 years old, he was that broken 12 year old child. So the only thing that I could do was love him. That was it. There's nothing else that I could feel. I could go and I could see what the things that he went through were like. I could feel those feelings. I felt like I was him. And so it reprocessed and it changed the neural pathways in my brain of the way that I thought about my father because not only was I seeing what he went through, I was also feeling and

processing what he went through, I was also feeling and processing what he went through as well. That was by far, and I've done, I haven't done many psychedelics, but I've done quite a few. That was by far the most incredible experience in my entire life. And the whole time I was processing it, I was like, this is the best day of my life. I've never felt so incredible. So when I told you the story of, you know, one of the guys said, it's like being held by everybody that you love and hugged by everybody that you love by being kissed by a bunch of puppies. I would agree with that. Since I have done MDMA a few other times, I have done it with my girlfriend. Once again, these are all in another

country. This is not in the United States. I've done it with my girlfriend and it turned out to be the best conversation we've ever had. Just things we needed to talk about, but both of us were afraid to talk about, but because you feel safe and you feel love, you're just like, screw it. We're going to bring it up and we're going to talk about it. I know many other people who have done it with their significant other and said it's been the most amazing conversation for them as well. And at the same time, you're just able to talk about things that you've maybe been kind of letting go, but they've been bubbling over the surface. So, you know, I also will tell you that it is the most incredible thing that I've done for me as well for my business. My current business structure, which made my business explode from doing $400,000 or $500,000

a year to multiple millions of dollars per year, that structure came specifically from my second MDMA session, where I was thinking, how can I impact people more? How can I grow my business and grow the value that I give the world? And it came literally from one session. And I'm not going to say it is the thing that's going to fix everything in the world. Once again, I don't know if everybody should take it. I know a lot of people that should. I'm not going to say that you should go out and you should do it right now. I think that you have to really, one of the things about it is that you really have to be in the right place mentally. The reason why people have bad trips is because I don't think they're in the best place mentally. And so if you're going to,

you have to realize this, if you're going to bring up old traumas, you better be in a really good mental place. Like if you're not in a good place mentally, it's not going to be good, right? It can be bad. There are things as bad trips because what's happening is you're actually bringing up the feelings and the emotions, the events. And if you can't process those emotions and those events, you could feel worse on the other side. But if you, you know, what I would recommend is don't do it at all at this point. Wait till it becomes legal because it's not 100% legal at this point, but looks like it probably will become legal as long as, you know, they go through phase three trials and the FDA approves it.

God, I hope that it does because I think that it will change the world. I would wait for that because you never know what you're getting if you're buying it from other people, if you're doing other stuff. But I just wanted to give you my take on it because a lot of people ask about my psychedelic experiences. And one of the things that I realized is that I believe that psychedelics will change the world. And if I have such a large platform, why in the hell would I not talk about it? I don't have fear around talking about it.

I will talk to anybody about it because I think that it is one of the things that will change the world is psychedelics and people working on themselves because ultimately not enough people work on themselves in the first place. So that's what I got for you for today's episode. If you love this episode or you have another friend's been curious

about psychedelics and MDMA, please share this with someone that you know and love. Please share this on your Instagram, tag me in it, Rob Dial Jr, R-O-B-D-I-A-L-J-R so that more people can find this because we don't grow any other way except for organically and that's you guys sharing it. So I appreciate you guys all for sharing. Love you guys all as well. Please be safe. Don't take this as you should do MDMA. I am just giving you my stories, my stories, and then the facts of what's going on with the trials. So I appreciate you for listening. Make it your mission to make someone else's day better. I appreciate you. Love you all. Hope you have an amazing day.