The Mismatch - Ant and Randle Fail to Deliver, Plus Chet’s Growth, and a Knicks Confidence Check

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

Verno and Jacoby go through the Wolves nearly tying their series against the Thunder in Game 4. They discuss the need for Anthony Edwards to exert himself into the game, the Thunder’s resilience, the Wolves’ bench production, Chet Holmgren’s performance, and more. Next, the guys discuss the Knicks-Pacers series, and Jacoby shares his confidence level with the Knicks heading into Game 4 on Tuesday night. (0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(01:13) Thunder Defeat T-Wolves: 128-126 (OKC 3-1)(08:55) Is Chet Holmgren the New Prototype?(24:22) Ready to Accept the Thunder as the Finals Favorite?(32:10) ECF: Pacers Up 2-1 on The Knicks(38:50) KAT's Game 3 Performance: 24 Points, 15 Rebs(45:32) Previewing Game 4: Knicks vs. Pacers [-2.5] (IND 2-1)(57:40) Final Thoughts on the WCF(1:06:06) Thank you to our Veterans Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! [phone] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Chris Vernon and David JacobyProducers: Jessie Lopez and Tucker TashjianSocial: Keith Fujimoto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You must be 21 and present in select states. Gambling problem, call 100 gambler or visit RG-dashelph.com. Welcome to The Mismatch. I'm Chris Vernon. And joining me, see that's every week from the ringer.com is Dave Jacoby. Jacobi. What's happening in Burneau? Happy Memorial Day, brother.

Happy Memorial Day. we just got done watching an epic NBA playoff game. 128, 126, Oklahoma City has taken total control of the Western Conference finals against the Minnesota Timberwolves. And this game was so high level. It's so crazy. You see a game, a playoff game shouldn't be 128 to 126, but the shot making, the performances in this one,

and just obviously come away. mega impressed with Oklahoma City on the road, must win game for Minnesota to try to get back into the series, and they seemingly had an answer every single time. I think it's worth mentioning because we haven't had a show since two of the games happened in these series. I think it's also worth mentioning what happened in game three of this particular series, which was wild.

It was an absolute curb stomping from the wolves. And I have a lot of things to say about this game, but one of the things I want to say is the performances that will be forgotten forever. Nikila Alexander Walker and Dante DeVincenzo. I thought it played so well tonight. I don't think they will be forgotten forever, because when you see the contract that Alexander Walker gets this off season,

you're going to remember what he was so good tonight. I mean, it's the Western Conference Finals. You want to talk about making yourself a fortune. You know, this is a light free agency class. This is a light free agency class. You're right. He's going to be very high on the list. He looks so good tonight.

Look, you can find a two-way guard that can knock down threes, plays hard, and can be a part of winning on a big level. He made himself a lot of money tonight. So that's when I will tell you, you'll remember it in July. When someone gives it $40 million a year. Yeah. It's like three years, $115 million. It's like for that guy.

Yeah. He very well made himself an absolute fortune. And I just, you know, I have a, I try to be a positive person, but I have a dark, dark heart. And I have to say, I am so tired of hearing that he's cousins with SGA. Every single possession, every time they guardy, other. I get it. Their cousins. I get it. Can we end it now? We're done. I'm good. Their cousins. I get it. Can we stop with it? Can we stop? Did you know? Did they're related? I got it. They put the pictures up with them as babies today.

Yeah, it was like, what was the old one when, uh, used to watch college, Brock Osweiler, 6-8. They used to always mention that or that, uh, you know, uh, Jordan Shipley and Colt McCoy were college dream mates, right? Every time you watch Texas, they would say that 100,000 times. So, yeah, the fun fact that gets beat into the ground. I get it. I get it. Right. It's not fun anymore. This was just, you know, you mentioned both Dante DiVicenzo and Nikiel Alexander Walker. Play great. You would have told me that you would have gotten those performances out of those guys. And frankly, the entire Minnesota bench tonight, which was 23 out of Alexander Walker, 21 out of Devinchenzo, 11 out of Nasreed,

and the king of points per minute, the great Terrence Shannon, who every time he comes in, he scores like seven points immediately. He had nine. I want to start here, though. And, you know, I think that if you're looking at this game, my biggest takeaway was Anthony Edwards,

you have to shoot more. You have to impact the game more. You have to exert yourself more. Like there were points of the game where I don't have the numbers in front of me. The game literally just ended. But it was like he had like six field goal attempts in the half in the first half. No, he had one make. They showed it on the highlight at that dreadful ESPN halftime show.

They showed it. And Stephen A. Smith is yelling over it. He was like, because that's the only highlight. You know what I? Because he only made one shot. He had one field goal make in the first half. I text you in the first half and I said, is Ann going to play or is he just going to be? I don't care if you're being face guarded by Blue Dort and Alice and Cruz and

Caruso. You're Anthony Edwards. You're a superstar. You're a superstar. I have in my notes, it's Edwards has only six field goal attempts at the end of the third quarter. I mean, that's a minute and a half. It's like you have six field goal attempts. what else are the Timberwolves doing on offense if it's not Anthony Edwards either creating or shooting.

If you have six bill go attempts and 15 assists, then God bless you. Good job. But that's not what was happening to the basketball court. It was so disappointing from him, honestly. And you go through these stats for this game. It is absolutely incredible. You have the wolves shoot 51% from the field, the thunder shoot 51% from the field. The wolves make 16 threes at 43.9%.

I'm sorry. The, yeah, the wolves made 18 threes at 43.9%. The Thunder made 16 threes at 43%. They both made, the wolves made 22 free throws and the Thunder made 16 free throws. Rebounding close. Assists. The T-Wolves have 30 assists in the game. That is a unbelievable number.

of assists. Offensive rebounds, both teams have 19 offensive rebounds. And then you get down to the one that I told you when we were going to be watching this series. Am I going to be able to look at that turnover number and tell you what happened? You know that Oklahoma City lives off of this, and it was 21 turnovers, 14 steals by Oklahoma City. It wasn't just that. that it was seven turnovers in the first quarter. Like we always focused on the last like four possessions of a close game. It was seven turnovers in the first quarter. It's like, guys, this is the start of the game.

Like this is when you're fresh. This is when you've got the coaches voice echoing your brain. Like seven turnovers in the first quarter of the game. Come on. Well, and one of the other things we talked about was we were doing the Robin. rankings and we were effusive in our praise of Julius Randall and how fantastic he had been through the first two rounds of the playoffs. And then Jalen Williams, when we were going into this series, we talked about the three games that he had that were unbelievable in the

Nugget series and the four kind of subpar or dud games that he had. And so which Jaila Williams are going to get? How big of an X-Factor is Chad Holmgren going to be? And it's like, now you fast forward. And tonight, in a game that was a two-point game, you get a bad Anthony Edwards game and a miserable Julius Randall game. Like, these are your two guys. You would never think if you would, if you saw what Edwards and Randall did tonight, you would never think that it came down to a like fouling at the end.

And I want to say this is I loved Chet's game. tonight. I've wanted more from Chet, like, as a basketball player, as a performer. But tonight, I absolutely loved Chet's game. Like, defensively, even the non-box score stuff, just like, just defensive rotations, blocking shots. He hit a couple threes. Like, I just loved the Chet game tonight.

So much. The spin and then the block at the rim, the shooting the threes without hesitation. And I loved it. Though he is built like a string bean, the guy. goes so hard. He fights for everything. Like, he's just got a crazy motor. And he was, they all were just gassed at the end of this game. You could tell everybody is like got their hands on their hips.

Even SGA when he's going to the free throw line where he knocks down the clutch free throws, he's breathing hard. And it's like, man, these guys have left it all out on the floor. And with Holmgren, you know, there's certainly those moments where you watch and you're like, bro, I don't know what kind of weight his frame can put on it, but I've seen a lot of these guys. I've seen the Jaron Jackson Juniors and the Evan Mobleys. And those are two guys that are, you know, respectively have won defensive player of the year awards. Yonis. And yeah, Yonis. And it's like there's two of them, Chet, and then a little,

and obviously behind Chet, he's not at that level. But the kid in Houston Jabari, I think, about those two guys as like the new wiry frame guys that like just give this time give this time because when they look like what they're gonna look like when they're 25 26 27 you're getting a different human being and a force of nature well when i was working with uh grant land we did a pre-draft documentary on chris tas porzengas and it was the same thing like he like people forget but he was like i mean like his his arms looked like fingers dude yeah His legs looked like arms. Like it was just like you're not a human being. But I love Chet's game tonight. I was so impressed by that. And J. Dubb, like I think it was game six against the Nuggets where he just didn't show up. And game seven, he had a big one.

Ever since then, he has been, like, dude, tonight was. He was unbelievable. Second banana. Like, he could be the first banana. And then how about this? But how many times were, was there like a kickover to the elbow extended three, the wing three, and he's just getting to take it, butt naked open. I'm like, knocking it down.

What defense is this? What defense is it that it's one simple pass to Jalen Williams for a wide open three? It's not, this is not, this cannot be the plan. If it's Lou Dort, I get it. If it's, if it's, it's Case on Wallace, I get it. You live with the result. So I get it. But they're treating J-Dubb like that.

And another thing is, I think that SGA had the quiet. as 40 points I've ever seen my life. He almost had a triple double. Did you? I think he scored 40, right? Hold on. He had the boss score. He had 40.

Yeah. No, quietest 40 points I've ever seen in my life. If you were to put a gun to my head and be like, how many points did the SGA have today? I'd be like 27, 28? Honestly. 40 points, 10 assists, nine rebounds in this game. I don't remember a single rebound.

Do you? I don't remember a single rebound. Did Jail Williams? had 34 points and Chet Honggren had 21 points. Meanwhile, on the other side, the stars of the Timberwolves, Anthony Edwards, five

of 13, one of seven from three for 16 points. Julius Randall, one for seven, five points. So you had between Randall and Edwards, 21 points on six of 20 shooting.

So combined? They shot 20 shots. 20 shots. Yes. They had 21 points. Okay. Herein lies the problem. Herein lies the problem.

No, wait. I'm not to the worst part. They were also responsible for 10 turnovers. I mean, six of 20 combined for 21 points and 10 turnovers. Someone needs to pull. Anthony Edwards aside at halftime and say, you're our guy.

Like, you're our guy. You're our guy. You're the guy who's supposed to. to elevate us to wins. You're our star player. I don't care. I don't care if you go, oh for 16,

but I need you taking 16 shots. That's how I feel about Anthony Edwards with Timberwolves. You need him taking the shots, even if he's missing. Look, in that first half, it just felt like not engaged at all. Like sometimes he's not taking a lot of shots.

He's not scoring a lot. but he's like the gravity. He's getting the attention and he's playmaking. Or he's, you know, and Chris Finch has talked about this a lot. Like, you know, he's learning to take the singles and the doubles, right? Making the right play. I felt like he wasn't even like, he wasn't even touching the ball. And he wasn't even engaged on the defensive.

Like, you just, it's just like he wasn't in the game. We haven't spoken since game three. Remember game three? Remember those pick sixes when he was getting a steal at the wing and then dunking? And then he got it again. And he didn't want to dunk his hard because he was sick of dunking. Like the guy from game three is not the same guy in game four. And I hate to be critical of like a super athlete and a superstar.

But it's like, bro, you're the star. You're the one we all look to. You are the sun that the planets orbit around. Like we need something from you. And I don't care if you missed them, but it can't be a minute and a half left in the third quarter. You've taken six shots. It just can't be that way.

And I'm shocked that it was even the closest it was, to be honest with you. Oh, if I would have told you, before we're doing this, if I would have told you, Edwards and Randall are going to combine to go six of 20 for 21 points with 10 turnovers. The idea that they lost by two is insane. I would have said that. I would have said that Edwards got hurt in the first minute and Reynolds just missed a bunch of shots because he's always a playoff dude.

I tried to tell you he's a playoff dude. Oh, you don't get to do this now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know, I know. I even told you. Stick with it, man. You're right. You're right.

I'm wrong. I should have never praised Julius Randall. I should have never praised Julius Randall. But I did. And I can't take it back now. It's on microphone. Well, I'll tell you this. That Thunder team tonight.

to every time there's another Dante DiVincenzo corner three or a Nikiel Alexander Walker play or a Jaden McDaniels drive to the basket to cut it back down and the crowd's going crazy. They answered every single time. Nikiel Alexander Walker was so good tonight. So good. He was so good today in both things.

But then Minnesota couldn't get the next stop. Because they left Jake's up wide. I know. I know. They left him wide open. It was crazy. Like he's not an all-star. They were treating him like they treat me in Reckley. He was like, dude, like, what are you doing?

That's, that's, Jaylor Lillian. The other thing is a little too much of the relationship matchup. I get it. No one knows him better than his cousin. And like, I'm so tired of the cousin. He is cooking him, bro. Like, Jane B. Daniels is on your team. Why are Aunt or Jane McDaniels not on Gildes-Alexander?

Enough with the nepotism here. Like, even Alexander Walker, he even, you know, he fouled him on the one and then did the Wurley Bird and then they showed the replay and he just slapped him on the elbow. And it's like, dude. The Wurley Bird is out of control. It's out of control. It's honestly, it should be, it should be banned from the league. I'm going to write Adam.

Adam dot silver at gmail.com. No more Wurleybird. There was a Chet block on Nikila Alexander Walker. Oh, at the rim? Dude, it was, I think Chet, you look at Chet's like box scores, like 21 points. He had a good game or whatever, but like I thought he was so good tonight. I've always liked Chet, even pre-draft. I was just, I feel like he's got a little dog in him.

You know, it's so corny to say, but like he's just an aggressive basketball player. And I think that Chet in like 2028 is going to be top five. player honestly. I love Chet. He certainly has look, as we've said, he has, he's one of those guys where you look at him now and then I feel like we're going to look at him

in three or four years from now and it's a different human being. That's what I'm trying to say. And he is a force of nature. Because he's already so impactful. You forget that they're like 21 years old. You know what I mean? Right. Like he's like not even like. Also with him

missed his entire rookie year. Yep. So this is really, and he missed a huge chunk of this year. Huge chunk. Huge chunk of this year. I think missing the rookie year is kind of like a Patrick Malm's thing too, where it's like you travel with the team, you sit in the bench, you get used to the rhythm, you kind of like do that.

I just, I think that Chet is going to be a top 10 player for like four straight years. All right, think about this. So let's take away playoff games because we would add 24. He's played in 24 playoff games up to this point, I believe, right? The 10 last year, 14 this year. No, home grid, okay? Yeah. But he has only played, Jacoby, to your point, about we're just scratching the surface here.

Think about it in this context. Chad Holmgren has now played in 114 game in the NBA. First of all, he played. Shot for doing that research that fast. Well, he played 82. last year and 32 this year. So when he's open for three on a swing swing, I don't feel great about it.

I don't feel bad about it. But I think in two years, that's going to be a knockdown. In two years, that's going to be a knockdown. It's going to be like you can't allow that to happen if you're the opposing team. So now, this was, as we said, it's a must win. You're at home. Minnesota's got a great crowd. It was a must win.

It was a must win. You've been using a must win very loosely lately. It was. It was a must win. I mean, what? You're going to win three out of four versus them? I'm not picking the wolves to win the series, but I'm saying like, I got you.

This playoffs, weird stuff is happening. No, no, no, but that's a, look, listen, Jacoby, you think about it through a series. I'll tell you this, too. We'll get to your Knicks. They got to win that next game. End of story. Because here's the thing. You're going back for five.

You're probably getting closed out there, right? Because if you win this, what? No, no, no, no. No, I'm talking about the wolves right now. Okay, about the wolves. All right. So you're probably losing five.

Okay? You can't. It's that Oklahoma City. No, no, no. Hold on. You're probably losing five. I disagree. I disagree.

What are you talking about? You disagree that they're probably losing game five? Yes. I think Anthony Edwards is going to score. 40 in game five. Honestly. I think Edwin Edwards is going to look at this tape and look at his performance and I think

there's a huge ant game. Oklahoma City at home versus Oklahoma City on the road has been a totally different animal. Okay, as we've seen. But if you win this one, now you've got a series on your hand because at worst, you're playing a game six on your home floor.

And I would say the same thing about the next. I would say the same thing about the next. They need, if they could win that game, right now they've got a five at their place whereas if you're Indiana if you win that one you've got a chance to close it out on your home floor you're giving them that opportunity to close that out on their home floor they would still have that opportunity but i mean you could take care of your home you should be able to win your home games maybe home court advantage doesn't even matter in the east i don't know but i know it has mattered greatly in with oklahoma city they have been dynamite at home and so for them to go win this game on the road tonight. And every time it looked like there was some big momentum play that Minnesota made, they just answered right back. As a basketball fan,

I'm disappointed in the Timberwolves tonight. I'm disappointed. This is the game you win. You had a chance. This is the game you win. If Andy Edwards shows up, if Julius Randall shows up, you win this game. Well, and this is the one you remember, right? Very rarely, when you're a basketball fan, very rarely do you remember the games that actually decided the series. It's always something that happened in the middle.

It's always the last possession of the deciding game, whatever, but exactly. It's always something, right? Like, I mean, I could go back through every Memphis series they played. And, like, very rarely do I remember the last game of the series. I remember the one they should have won. This is the one the wolves should have won. You're right. No, you can't get you can't.

You can't you. You can't you've played better. Like, dude. They got. Look at what should have from Alexander Walker? Read Alexander Walker's box score to. Like he was everywhere doing everything. If Anthony Edwards is half of Anthony Edwards, they win this game tonight.

They do. All right. Quick math. They got 64 bench points tonight. Wait. The wolves? Yes. Who's that?

Dante, gnaw. No. Who else is it? Oh. Reed. Yeah, Reed doesn't really count, but sure. What are you talking about? No, I mean, he's a bench points, but like, those are guys to play a lot. Like, how many minutes did we play?

Only 23 tonight, 23. Yeah, yeah, only 20, 30 tonight. Hell, Territ Shannon scored nine points in seven minutes. He's the point per minute. I mean, instant offense, Territ Shannon. What a moment. I mean, meanwhile, they, the starting, they got Conley and Randall combined for 11 points. Can we talk about Conley?

Plus two. They don't lose on the court. I can't explain it. Every time the guy's on the court, they win. You're right. You know what, Chris Vernon, you're right. Yeah, my conno is the key to the series. Yeah, they need to play Conley more.

You're right. Yeah. Every time he's in, they win. Yeah, can't argue with the math, right? I, uh, so how do you feel about your whole like Oklahoma City fetuses and battle scars and young teams don't win because they're going to the finals.

I don't think there's any doubt that they're going to be going to the finals. Not great. Would you, I mean, wouldn't you pick them over the Knicks or the Pacers? Of course. So this young, the Oklahoma City fetuses, this team

that only beat the Pelicans last year. That's right. That you call the fetuses. There are the favorites to win the championship. So how do you feel about your whole philosophy? I have said a thousand times, and it falls on deaf ears, where I have said there's an entire history of the NBA

that I'm siding with. They might be the 15 Warriors. I've always left that available, right? They might be the 15 warriors. But, I mean, obviously the 15 Warriors, look, that's one of the greatest teams ever. maybe this team ends up being one of the greatest teams ever. I mean, like, there's certainly, right now, they are, not only are they blowing through the scars,

I mean, they're passing every test that they're given. This is one of those that you cave, right? Like, this is one of those games where the team keeps coming at you, coming at you. Like, Minnesota was making shots and making plays. And that's the moment where, like, you know, you're on the. road you're young you might take a bad shot here a bad shot did you ever feel like they were going to lose tonight really i did not i never felt like they were going to lose not for a single second i look at the score like oh it's a three point game and we're to foul and this and that like i never felt like they were going to lose tonight and it's also minnesota's

making shots making plays but it's it's guys three through seven three through eight right that is not how you win games in the playoffs well you need one and two to make plays and for what is a what is a good defensive team with, certainly with good defensive personnel in Minnesota, to have all three of those guys. And it was crazy when at the beginning of the game, they showed Finch's pregame pep talk. Yeah, I heard it. Yeah. And he's like, you know, take Williams out, take Chet out. You know, we talked about this in the last game, blah, blah, blah.

And it was like, what, bro, you took nobody out. Like all of them just played the best playoff game of their careers. Literally their three best players were at the peak of their powers, efficiency-wise, scoring-wise, playmaking-wise, like, all across the board. How did that work? I like Chris Finch, but what the hell? But you know me, like, I'm not like a box score guy. But if you were to say, if you were to ask me, how many points did Shade Gilgis Alexander have tonight? What would be your answer?

So it was like, how many points did SGA have tonight? I probably would have said 30 just because he scores. 26. Honestly. He scores 30 every time he touches the ball. I'm like 26, 27 maybe. The guy had 40. I think.

The quietest 40-point game I've ever seen in my life. I think I read tonight that he has had more 30-point playoff games now than anybody since Jordan. That's not true. That's not sure about that. They must have in a certain amount of games. No, but, oh, in single postings. Yeah, there's a qualifier there. Yeah.

Correct. Which is so unbelievable. Like, anytime. you're in a, anytime you're in that category. In fact, here, I'll find it. But I'm looking at the Pacers and Knicks and I'm like, is, is there a guy that can stop him? Nemhard, Bridges?

Like, who's going to stop that guy? It's so frustrating. The Wolves had the game at 77-76, dude. And Edwards had six build goal attempts in the third quarter. This was not a blowout. Okay, I found this via stat muse. SGA now has the most 30-point games, 59. I'm sorry, so it's not in a post season.

59 this year by an MVP. That's a huge qualifier. That eliminates a lot of players. But since Michael Jordan. But being an MVP eliminates a lot of players. 59 is a huge number, though, right? And then also this is, you want to hear something totally crazy? the Timberwolves

won these following stats in this game. Ready? Rebounds, assists, points off turnovers, fast break points, points in the paint, second chance points, free throw attempts, free throw makes, field goal percentage, three point percentage, free throw percentage. And they lost.

And I never felt like they were going to win. And they lost. You can say those stats wins a game like the Knicks blue against the Pacers in game one or the Celtics blue in game two. Like, I would understand that, but I never felt like the game was truly in jeopardy for the thunder. Did you? Not for a second.

Not for a second. Maybe after one of the DeVincenzo corner threes, you know, that cut it to a one possession game, I'm like, okay, this is like, these guys are making. He hit one. The crowd was going crazy. And then it's fired up. No, but then it's swing, swing, swing. I know what you're talking about. Then it's swing, swing, J. Dub.

And he hits a three. It's one, 23. to 117. So it was like 120 to 117. The crowd's fired up. The next possession, and it had early in the shot clock, it's J-dub hitting a three. It's 123 to 117. It's just, it's six points to be. It's an answer. That was the only time when you say that was the only time where I thought, oh, God, they might actually win this. Because it's like, oh, that's a momentum. That crowd was on fire. And it was like, man, like, you know, you don't, you just get a couple stop, couple, couple stops and a couple of buckets, and you got the win here, right?

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Camber problem, call one-hound gambler or visit RG-dash-help.com. Can we talk about what the Knicks now? Let me hear. Not a great game. Great comeback. We haven't spoken since game one. I was so angry after game two. I bet.

I was so angry and emotional after game two. In game two, I felt like defensively, they completely just dropped the ball and just let go of the rope. There were so many defensive, just technical, technical mishaps. where Miles Turner gets a dunk and guys are pointing at each other. There was so much just mental mistakes defensively in game two that I was so frustrated by. It also felt to me that that felt to me and obviously we have the perspective of game three.

Two felt a lot like we know your weaknesses and we are and Rick, I know your weaknesses and I am going to wear you out for said weaknesses. I am going to punish you for these lineups. I'm going to punish you for your starting lineup has no chance against me. None. And I am going to wear you out. If you want to put Brunson and towns out there, then this is what we're doing. And good luck, because we got enough good players to be able to do it.

And obviously the Siakum thing was like, come on. I mean, the guy turned into like 16 points in the first quarter. He was, he was, it was unstoppable. What the fuck? That was crazy. That was crazy. Like we should have hired a sniper to take him out. He was so good.

It's like there's no way to stop that man. And again, it's the knee Smith did it in game one. And Seacom did it in game two. But game two to me was about it felt like Carl Anthony Towns was a player who was injured. until late February and was just like acclimating himself to the defensive schemes. And I'm not going to sit here and speak in this microphone. Like I know more about NBA defense than Tom's table. But it,

it just, it was, there was just. Mistakes, blown coverages over and over again that led to layups. And you saw a big one for the Knicks late when they doubled Brunson. He passed to Hart and Hart got a bucket. This is game two.

it was kind of one of those like what are we doing guys like we're giving up open layups but the next did it over and over again it was so frustrating but man I'll tell you game three when they're down 20

the group chat is just firing off messages about Jay Wright and Janus again like it's over I was texting I was texting you during this and I was like bro this is getting dark That run that they had Now obviously the Knicks had that late run

At the end of the first half But there was that segment where they scored the 18 points And it was like there to it was like a dunk contest And they're right up and died It's like I'll tell the low point I'll tell the low point Oh wave The low point was Halliburton on the break

With an open layup That could have easily scored himself And then tosses it with his left hand To Obie Topin former Nick Who just dunks it And they're just having fun. At home, crowds going crazy. And I believe that put them up like 18.

I think it was the second quarter. Yeah, right. At that point, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to bring people behind the curtain a little bit. I started being a dick to my wife and my kids. I apologize to her today. I started being a dick to my wife and my kids.

I started to fight with my wife. I started yelling at my kids. And I was just like, I was just like, I was, I just had to lash out, man. I just had to. And I apologize to my wife today. I was like, listen, I want to talk about last night. I had to. And I was like, the Knicks were down.

Like, I was in a bad spot. You know, I say things that don't mean. And I apologize to you. And she's like, I get it. Like, she's, she's the baddest bitch. I love her so much. But I had to apologize today for my behavior at that point in the game. I was really, really being a dick.

Mine have such a keen. awareness of the things that matter to me that I like root for like we go I go down to my dad's house for cowboys games and I mean it's it's absolute misery but they always no no they like they keep track of it at home and then if I get home when I walk in like I promise you nobody will even speak to me they're just like yeah they don't even yeah they know yeah they know you like you're radioactive and then I will I'll get over it I'll get over. I give me an hour or something, right? And then, you know, I'm just so, like, why? Why do I do this to myself? So you got to just kind of, at least after all these years, my kids are older now.

But they have a very keen awareness of when I'm mad about some kind of sports outcome. Well, it's, it is worth talking about the next little bit because there's, you know, I'm glad that we do the show sort of like a day after the Dix game has happened so I'm not emotional about it. Right. Because this whole like Tom Tibido has unlocked the rotation and Dilan

Wright. Oh God. It's just like fucking please dude. Landry Shamit is worthless. Oh, Dillon. He was not worthless. He was great. He drew a charge and hit a three. I've watched Landry Shamit for years

dude. So have you. Like you think Landry Shamans like this this this this unpolished gem that's going to turn into an all star in two years he plays basketball like he's a deer on ice it would be he's ridiculous dude it would be an uncut gem

okay not an uncut jams uncut jobs uncut johns uncodgian my muse all right all right look I'm going to present you with questions because look.

Go. Because we have a delay, we don't need to go through the game and everything that happened in the game. Everybody's beat that. We've all seen it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've seen the game.

I love this. Good. It's a big picture. I want to ask you questions about this, okay? Yeah. No, the next is not better without Brunson. No. Carl Anthony Towns at four points of the first three quarters,

two for eight headed into the fourth. How dark did the group checks get regarding Carl Anthony? Oh, Janus. Yonis. Trade. he's got it's him it's him and whatever for yannis but i'll say this about carlainty town is i felt the same way in the celtic series i hate it when he shoots deep threes but when he up fakes it goes to the basket or he has his back to the basket and does his stupid three dribble spin

move thing he's unstoppable who on the celtics or the pacer's has stopped carl anthony towns when he tries to shoot gear in the basket i'm all ears who it if he had what 20 and the fourth, is that right? Who on the Pacers can stop him? But we give it to Brunton to dribble around for 20 seconds. But who on the Pacers? Who is the guy on the Pacers that can stop Connell Anthony Towns? I'm asking you that question.

Who? I don't think they have a natural matchup for him, and that's why he has had. We talked about this going into the series. His numbers against the Pacers have been absolutely fantastic. And I think KP is a natural matchup for him. but KP wasn't himself. He's got you know Porzingis flu or whatever.

And you know, you know very well. I talked about this going into the series that I thought that the reason I thought there was a totally reasonable discussion to have

of the success that Towns has had against the Pacers is truly indicative of that the Pacers are not some kind of overly physical team. That's not what they are, right? No. The way to get to

towns is to be physical with him. Rough him up. Get him out there to where he's just an innocent bystander on the three point line and then get super physical with him so that he gets his stupid fouls because he's got to put himself into trouble and you get him all frazzled.

Like that is, the MO is to get really physical with towns and that will give you a different player. He's not, but last night he turned into an absolute monster. He was the physical one. He was dunking on people. And after all that, he was getting the Ann Wons and shit. It's great.

Fourth quarter talents was crazy. But like, let's not also forget that he had four points going into the fourth quarter. That's right. Two for eight. He disappeared. Okay. So let's not talk about the Brunson. Are you better without Brunson?

I don't. I don't give a shit. No, hold on. In last night's game, they were infinitely better when he wasn't. Whatever. That's true. I mean, whatever. No, that's true.

Everybody has a bad day. You watch what I watch. No, that's, I think that's an insane thing to say, though. Okay, they were minus six when Brunson was on the floor, and they were plus 12 in the 17 minutes. So we're doing single game plus minus? What? We're drawing conclusions from single game plus minus. Go ahead with your Mike Conley is the reason that the Wolps are losing the series.

Does it match up with your eyes? No, no. What are you talking about? You think that Towns Fourth Quarter happens if he's on the floor? Come on. Did you see Game 2? Come on. Come on.

Did you see Brunson in Game 2? Yeah, the loss? He couldn't miss. He couldn't miss. Like, I'm not going to do this. This is a very dark, dark, dark, dark. The Town's fourth quarter does not happen. You know that.

You know that. No, I'll say this. I'll say this. I'll say that their offenses to, to Brunton oriented. And he dribbles the air out of the ball. Rick Carlisle did it last night. Rick Carlisle told you.

Oh, please. I'd love to talk about this. Their best defensive player, they have more defensive players on the floor and the fourth quarter. Do you know why Rick Carlisle said that? Of course I do. Because he doesn't want Brunton on the floor. Jaylon Brunton was pissed.

He wasn't in that game, too. You see his post-game press conference or post-game walk-off? That was really weird. It was really weird. he's always weird in interviews no it was weird because it's like you guys just had this unbelievable win but it was another guy did it

and so it kind of felt like a little resentful that he wasn't in the game to do it I think that Brunson's when he speaks publicly he's a very like monotone down the middle guy

so you're not going to get much higher much low from him so let's not read too much much you know. Here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. The Pacers, I'm not trying to make you feel bad. The Pacers missed what, 20 of 253s, I think that they took in this game. The Kneesmith thing is huge. We'll find out what, you know, his ankle is, we'll see, right? It was big. Pacers lost game three to the Cavs and then came back and both raised them in game four.

But then they boat raced them in game four. So what are you doing? I'm just asking me. I'm just telling me. I'm just asking you. I'm just asking you. Do you have concerns that, you know, that was an anomaly that you came back from down 20? They missed every three they took. Or do you feel good about the series now?

That's what I'm asking. I'll say this is, it's so corny to say, but like, I love basketball, man. Like, I love NBA basketball. Whether I'm watching the Wolves in the Thunder or the Pages and the NICs, like, every game has gone down to the last possession. well not the 42 point game no i mean in the east oh like i think in the west didn't we have two games decided by 40 plus in that west finals crazy we're talking about a two point game but in the in this pacer's nick series like game one was like miraculous knee smith yeah game two was close you know weird a weird brunson pull up and game three was down to the wire like this is the fun stuff this is

it's good. And I feel good about it. You know, they've got a chance. And I think with Towns and Brunson, you've got two offensively gifted players that the other team doesn't have an answer for. And that's why I feel good about the Knicks. I

don't love it. Did you like the lineup changes and playing nine? I'm not a shamit guy. I'm not a, you know, I think DeLon Wright is a great option if you're in the Drew League. But I'm not sure. in the NBA.

The Wright brothers run the Drew League, by the way. But I'm not sure in the NBA, he's great. And the Mitchell Robinson thing didn't really work either. I think, listen, I'm unlike other Knicks fans, I don't love Mitch Robinson.

I got to put the, hey, look, that Nick's starting lineup has gotten murdered. That's fine. I know you don't like numbers, but the numbers indicate their starting lineup can't do this. Can I give you some numbers?

They won four in the first round and they won four in the second round. And they've been very competitive in the third round. We're talking about a specific matchup. This starting lineup is getting shredded by Indiana. Shredded. Yes. Yes. And so it's like, and they tried the Mitchell Robinson thing. And it's like it ended up in the end, in the end, Josh Hart's back in the game, right,

when it matters both. And Josh Hart was, by the way, the Towns is the MVP for the 20 and the fourth, but Josh Hart made every winning play possible. In the last minute, that rebound was insane. I will say this is I'm not a Mitch Robinson fan, and one thing I do not understand,

and I'm really asking you as a question to someone who watches a lot of NBA basketball, I respect your opinion. Why don't they just hack a Mitch? Just why not? I mean, I think it's the, it's the adding. Why not? I mean, because obviously they've got some level of integrity, but beyond that,

I think it's the adding of the fouls, right? If I was the coach of the other team, I would foul him immediately. And then he's going to get subbed out. And the next thing you know, you got precious to Chua in the game. I mean, but you could do that to Gobert too. I mean, do you see those Go Bear free those tonight? Oh, my God. Why don't they do this?

I really don't understand. And again, like, I know that Rick Carlos spends more time thinking about this than I do. but like if I were the head coach of the Indiana Pacers and you started Mitch Robinson, I would just foul him. Honestly, the easy answer, Jacoby,

is we're not talking about shack. There's another, Rick Carlisle's not going, oh my God, I can't deal with this guy. It's Mitchell Robinson. Is that shack? He's not sitting there going,

God, I got to get this guy off the court. We can't do anything. We can't do anything with Mitchell Robinson. on the floor. Come on. I'm a Knicks fan, so I follow all the Nix accounts

and I read and hear all the NICs stuff. Like, these fans are treating Mitch Robinson. Like he's like, like he's Wilk Chamberlain. It's like, dude, he's never ever made a shot outside of five feet.

He can't even put back a rebound. When he gets a rebound, the first thing he does is turn his back to the basket so he can kick it out to somebody. He is, he's a decent rim protector, and he's good at offensive. rebounding, but he is not a skilled player in any way, shape, or form.

He's probably got like seven career assists in his life. That's because he caught a rebound. I kicked out somebody for three in his whole entire career. I'm not a Mitch Robinson guy. I'm a Towns guy. Leave Towns slow-footed ass out there and let him stand in front of Halliburton and let him, you know, wiggle around and hopefully he can stay in front of him. That's what I would do that.

Let me ask you this. One of the things that we talked about, and this was in regards to both of these series, The higher these scores get, the more it is going to lead us to believe that the The Wolves are the next are going to lose. Yeah, yeah. The Pacers and or the Oklahoma City. Is this the 114 stat? Yeah, you're playing in their domain.

And then last night, the final score is 106 to 100. The Pacers, when they've scored 114 or more versus the Cavs, and Knicks, they're 10 and O and 3 when they haven't. And it's like, we talked about this going in. Like this, you can't be playing these All-Star games. That's where they want to dwell. They want to dwell in that range. Forno, one thing I love about this is like, look where the line is.

It's like, can you not keep them under 114? We're not talking about like 98. It's like 114. Well, look, it looked like they were going to score 140 last night in the first half because how many times how about the one where towns tries to get that rebound to this throw it to like they just throw it to a streaking Siakum

who's like somehow ahead of the pack and dunking a like they do a lot of the Oklahoma City stuff where it's like the conversion rate is just so fast but sometimes it's off of make like it should never be off a make like I understand it if you miss it a three point shot and it's a long rebound

and they get behind you that happens whatever but off a make, you're getting transition baskets? If I told you that more Landry Shammit minutes were the key, would you rather lose? Would you rather win the series or play Landry Schammett? Listen, I don't know Landry Shamett personally, and I'm sure he's a great guy, but there's certain players that you just love

and there's certain plays that you don't love, and I just have never been a shamit guy. and he's been on 17 teams in the last four years, and I didn't like him at any of those stops. I'm just not a Landry Schammett guy. Once in a while, he'll go two for four. Once in a while, he'll go two for four. What do you go, one for three last night?

Best plus minus on the team. Oh, shut up. He hit one three and drew a charge. He was plus 12 in 11 minutes. He contested three with like 20 seconds left on the shot clock. I'm like, who do you think you are, Landy Schrammet? And what we did tonight from Anthony Edwards is a little more Landry Shamit. Like, brother, if Landry Shamans out here shooting three shots in seven minutes,

what are you doing, Anthony Edwards? I mean, they're 18 points better with Shamman on the floor than Brunson. This plus minus stuff. Anyone listening to this podcast knows the plus minus is a Fagasy stat. It's just Fagasy. What about my boy, Tim's going nine deep. Nine. Do you know how many people had no one?

idea who Delon Wright, or that Delon Wright was a Nick until last night. Oh, he's been a Nick for a while, though. I got it, but it would be, when was the last time you saw Doran Wright in a basketball game for the next? I mean, I watch all the Knicks games, so he's been playing, but whatever. Like, I don't mind Delon Wright. I'm not kidding.

He played three minutes in game one. At the end of, he had like 36 seconds. No, no, at the end of a Boston game. And that's the only time that, yeah, he played 26 seconds and one of the other. other than that, he had not played since April 13th in Brooklyn. I'm telling you, in the Drew League in Los Angeles,

these Wright brothers, like 40 a game, 30 a game. They're so good. That's a lot right. How do you feel about the Knicks? How do you feel about game four? Samar Night, how do you feel? You know, one of the things that the Pacers have proven to be able to do is, like, after these, after they don't look so hot,

that they've really been able to adjust and look much, much better. Now, I will say that game was so hotly contested that I, look, it doesn't look like we're going to get something overly competitive in the Western Conference. The expectation is going to be like Oklahoma City is going to be a heavy favorite to close that out in the next game. Yeah, yeah. And then they're going to have a long time because the finals don't start until June 5th. They're locked. That's the thing about the finals.

Regardless of whatever that series ends. I so desperately want my inclination to believe that the Pacers will bounce back to be wrong. Because I want that to be competitive. We want that to go to seven. I'll say I felt like the Knicks outplayed the Pacers in game one. For sure they did. Like Neesman did whatever. And I felt like the Pacers just outclassed, out coached, out,

hustled out everything the Nixon game two. And I honestly felt like the Pacers played better in game three and lost two. I think the Pacers, I think the Pacers have played better in two out of three games. Five for 25 from three is hard to overcome. There's weird numbers about them on the road versus at home. It's like, I don't get it, but the sample size is big enough that you have to take any of account.

Like, what is that? Why can't Neesmith, Nemahard, and Halliburton hit threes at home? It's weird. Yeah, I don't know. I can't make any sense of it. Well, and look. I blame Caitlin Clark. That knee-smith thing is big.

I think he's healthy. We've seen ankles. You saw your guy jaw broke his ankle and then came back in the game. Brunson breaks his ankle every game. Like, ankles are nothing. Edwards has done it. Yeah, like ankles are nothing nowadays. I mean, it's obvious, look, it has been an unbelievable postseason for,

ankle shots or whatever the hell they're doing to him. I wish I would have invested in whoever makes that, right? It feels like they numb them out. I don't know how these guys are coming back. I mean, like you'll see a guy's ankle just twist completely. And then he just bounces right back. But even if I think Neesmith is, it's so weird to say because I remember Niecemith on the Celtics and it was kind of like this mystery guy that didn't get run.

It's so weird how important he is for them. Oh, he's so important. And here's why. Because otherwise, the other option is Ben Shepard because Matherin has sucked. Like, unplayable sucked. He's so bad. He does nothing in this series so far.

I think Matherin is more of an offensive threat, but what Niesmith does defensively in, God, I got so frustrated about the Knicks. I'm trying to, like, be, like, objective and not emotional. But God damn it. Carl Towns, Mitchell Robinson, the point of you setting a screen on Brunson's man is to stop his man from following Brunson.

And they set the worst fucking screens. Towns has never set a good screen. They don't get the switch because Neathr-Nismith can just fight over it. I get so mad at these screens every single time. I'm like, set the point of you being there is so there you've forced the defense to switch. It's a real issue. It's so frustrating. It's so frustrating.

It's a real issue around the league to the point that the guys that are great at setting screens stand out like a sort of. Like you do not defeat. You're accepting the switch when Stephen Adams is out there. Hart and Steve. You are. Great screener. Like there's just, but they're few and far between. Like these guys that actually get guys to die on the screen.

Yes. And there's no one on the Knicks that can do it. And I'm so tired of them running a screen for Brunton and Nie Smith stays on them. And then he has to point at somebody else to get a second screen. It's bridges. And then it's like, so you're switching from Neesmith to Nemhard. That's not the fucking plan. I get really mad at the screen thing.

And I think you make a good point with Stephen Adams because remember when Stephen Adams was out for your grizzlies, they just went to the tank. Oh, yeah. And it wasn't because they missed his jump shooting. You know what I mean? No. but it's you got to it's it and look it happens with you saw it tonight and it was a good move by Oklahoma City they just decided you know what we're just going to put Caruso we're just going to throw him on gobert that was sure whoever I got it but no what is he going to do what's he

going to do I mean I'm not a no they were letting a small guard go bear so that when he it shouldn't be able to happen no so when they set it shouldn't be able to happen no so when they set the screen. Oh, Gobert's useless. Come on. It's useless. Just, I mean, honestly. Like, dude, if you have Caruso on, you just seal him, catch, and dunk. No, he just gets in the way, too. It's like those driving lanes that cat or that aunt would theoretically have.

I do. I have a minutia note from tonight's game. I have a minutia. Mnuchin' note from tonight's game before we go. I love Isaiah Hartinstein. I've loved him since he was a clipper before he was a Nick. and I've seen him hit these five-foot lefty floaters from the middle, from the right baseline, from the left baseline. And tonight he didn't even look at the basket. You're a good passer.

You're a good passer. But like, dude, if you're going to be a center on a championship team, you have to be a threat to score the basketball. And they won tonight. They won tonight. No, no one's going to talk about it.

They only played him 15 minutes, right? But no one's going to talk about it. But like, I love this guy. I love him. And I found out he was black, which is insane. That was the most surprising thing that happened in last year's whole season. The most surprising thing was that Isaiah Hartinstein is black. But like, he needs to be a threat to score because he has that six foot lefty floater thing.

It's a weirdest little shot, but he's not even looking for it anymore. And it pisses me off. I'm not, I'm not worried about it. Isaiah Harton's seen. off. Isaiah Hartenstein, Lou Dort, Caruso,

all those guys, those guys are all role players. And their job is to play for the greater good of the star. And they

accentuated those stars. End of story. When you get your three best players playing like that, that's because all those other guys are doing everything

else. They're keeping the ball moving. They're doing the dirty work. They're grabbing the offensive. of rebounds.

They're getting the extra possessions and they're happy. And it's like they're like that, look, it's a sign of a great team. A sign of a great team is when you've got guys that play their roles and know their roles. And that's the crazy thing about what happened with

Minnesota because it's like, bro, your role players were your stars tonight. Oh yeah. Like, I'm looking at you, Anthony Edwards. No, those guys are supposed to augment Randall and Edwards, not be the guys.

It is the thing. I don't want to go too far, but I want to be like, Hanth and Edwards. Yeah, you made the Western Conference Finals two years in a row. You did. But you kind of had some stinkers in both those years. He did.

We've talked about it for, you talked about a year ago. And I don't want to go too far, but it's kind of like, hey, man, like, if you're the face of the league, you're the American-born star. You got the Adidas commercial. You got the Sprite commercials.

You're Antich Claus. Like, hey, man, like, we're supposed to win because of you. And you need to take more than six shots when it's a minute left in the third quarter of a game that you must win. I don't want to do it. Do it. This is why guys don't win until they're... We've talked about it a thousand times. But as someone who has four kids, they age you quickly.

He's still young. He has so many children that their children age you quickly. quicker. He, like he knows them. You age quicker if you're around them. Let's not go down that. Let's not go down. Let's not do that.

Let's not do that. His dog is named Aunt Junior, for God's sakes. I saw something on the algorithm that told me today that, like, his sister's named Antoinette. And like, it's like, he's got all these Antoine, Antony. It's like George Foreman. So he's got one of those families. Shout to him, man. Dude, I saw one that was so dastardly today.

Don't do it. Don't do it. No, no, no, no. It was a picture of Ben Wallace. And it was like one of these like, I guess, phony NBA accounts. But you should have seen the responses to it on Instagram. It was like, I am so proud of my son. I always knew he'd do this.

And it was like a picture of Ben Wallace and then like side by side with Kasson Wallace. And every comment was like, oh my God. I had no idea. I had no idea. It's not, Ben Wallace is not his dad, but it's funny that in 2025 you could post something like that. And everybody's like, dude, they've never even mentioned that. We are getting to the point where like 10% of the league has a dad that was in the league.

Like we're getting to that point. Like every draft year, it's like, all right, well, whose kids are we drafted in the lottery this year? All right. Well, watch out for, if niece miss out, watch. out for the mustache Ben Shepard. Oh God.

He's on deck. I would go crazy if that guy lit me up. I mean, I have no fear when if Ben Shepard, there was a point there was a point when it was a

T.J. McConnell, Tony Bradley, two-man game. Oh, my God. In game two. And I was like, we're losing to these guys. I was like,

this is Rick Carlisle's like, you know, mad genius plan is the post-up Tony Bradley? Like, what are we doing? There was a moment where you could have paused it, and you saw Tony Bradley, Delon Wright, and Landry Schaibb at all on an Eastern Conference

finals court. You're like, what is happening? What is happening? Who got hurt? Was there a plane crash? And T.J. McConnell, by the way, is so good. He's been playing in the last two games. Lights out.

Zero turnovers. Makes the right decision every time. When he raises up from 12 feet, it's in. Like, it's in. It's over. He's so good. You need one of those, like, remember that old store they used to have in the mall, like successories?

It would be just a picture of T.J. McConnell. Like, it was all, like, motivational posters and stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I could see there being, like, a motivational poster. It would just be T.J. McConnell and his, quote, playing hard as a skill. He just, he really believes that. He really, like,

represents the stereotypical trope of like a white American basketball player. Like Tyler Heroes out here like chopping people up and he's got fade. And he like, you know, like T.J. McConnell is just like the hardest working, grinding, making the right decision, coach his son, like coach on the floor. Like I honestly, I would rather that like T.J. McConnell wasn't available than me Smith. Honestly.

Like, honestly, he's been cooking the Knicks for the last two games. People never talk about good performances and losing games. Like Nikiel Alexander Walker's game tonight's can be forgotten. But like Tiji McConnell was so good in game two and game three. He was so good in those minutes. It's unstoppable. He's such a change of pace. Like truly, he's just going like 100 miles an hour all the time and feels like he's

making impact. I love him so much that I hate him so much because he plays against my team. Well, I'll tell you this. The next chance at winning that series, is by winning the next game. I do not think they could win the series if they lose it. I don't. I don't think they could.

They're not coming back. I'm going to say the same thing I said about game two. Not a must win. All right. They're not done until they're done. The garden is a magical place. And they're going to be back in there in game five. And then all I got to do is win game five.

I mean, it was magical for Tyrese Hallibur. I don't know if it's magical. Knee Smith is who was magical for. I know. Yeah. These guys are unbelievable. Put them on Broadway. All right.

But we'll see. We got a bunch of good games. I do. Before we go, I want to give a shout to Memorial Day. My grandfather served, my uncle served, both of them passed. And I think that every family has somebody, a cousin, uncle, and auntie, or somebody that served. I think it's important to recognize them on Memorial Day. Yeah, both of my grandfathers, my uncles, a lot of vets.

My grandfathers, one of them died when I was four, and one of them died way before I was were born. I didn't know them. But obviously that is something that has always been a true source of family pride, that's stuff that hangs up in the house. Yeah, you've always got the medals around and the pictures around. Yeah. Well, like the valued thing. My one grandfather, the coolest thing I remember when I would go to my grandmother's house as a kid, there was just one piece of memorabilia, I guess, that I would look at every time. He had a canteen that he had like whittled in every city he had been to in World War II. And I mean, the whole thing was just filled.

And I was like, this is so cool. I don't know whatever happened to it. I don't know what happened. Hopefully one of my uncles or something has it after my grandmother passed away. But that canteen was awesome. I mean, absolutely awesome. And I was like, dude, this is like real history. real.

Like something from the Smithsonian or something. Yeah, it's like you watch all the movies and you see all the stuff, but then you talk to the people that lived it and went through it, and it's narly. Yep. Yep. Thanks to all of you that have served, and I know we have a lot that listened to us, that either are currently serving or have served in the past,

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