The Mismatch - NBA Trade Rumor Recap, Embiid’s Surgery, and Draft Talk

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

Verno and KOC go through KOC’s recent article (found here) and discuss the 76ers' next move after Joel Embiid’s injury, whether the Hawks should consider trading Trae Young instead of Dejounte Murray, LeBron’s pressure on the Lakers, and so much more (02:02). With the trade deadline this week, the guys discuss some of the names that are rumored to be moving, including Grant Williams (44:08). Also, Verno discusses what he likes from prospect Matas Buzelis after watching him play in person, and KOC shares his experience testing out the new Apple Vision Pro headset (52:29). Got a question for Verno and KOC? Send them an email at [e-mail]! Or you can send the guys a tweet @ChrisVernonShow and @KevinOConnorNBA! The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out http://theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Who cares about your team winning the Super Bowl when your team could win the offseason? My name is Danny Heifitz and I host the Ringer NFL Draft Show with Danny Kelly, Ben Solac and Craig Horlebeck. We cover trades, free agency, the draft, obviously. We cover quarterbacks and there are a lot of good quarterbacks this year. And the teams at the top of the draft, Washington, New England, Chicago, big teams with big histories. Listen to the Ringer NFL draft show on Spotify. Welcome to the mismatch. I'm Chris Vernon.

And join me as he does every Monday night from the ringer.com. It's Kevin O'Connor, A.K.K.A. Kevin O. Obama. Kevin O'Brien. Kevin O'Brien. Kevin O'Brien. Kevin O'Brien. Kevin. It's trade deadline week. Let's go. How you doing, man? What's up? Trade deadline week. And do you have your bags packed to move into the Vernon household in Memphis, Tennessee, given the rumor that everyone tweeted us today that came out from Hoops hype? that it is possible that the Memphis Grizzlies could be interested in Killian Hayes.

If that happens, you have to move here. That's the rules. And then we could do the pod in person all the time. It would bring me so much joy of Killian and Goes to Memphis. And I would, fingers crossed, that the Grizzlies can figure out how to fix his jumper. Because he's got the defense. He's got the passing vision.

Just fix his jumper and turn him into a serviceable NBA player. Please. Please. Please, Taylor Jenkins, please do it. Unfortunately, Kevin, Grizzlies have no miracle workers on staff. Well, I hope it's the barbecue down there or something just gets them right mentally. Maybe so. All right.

You wrote about seven observations leading into this trade deadline. And you focused on different teams, but threw in a lot of different notes that I was very interested in regarding these teams. and I had a lot of thoughts from reading the articles. Let's kind of go through them. You start off with what will the 76ers do in response to the Joe L. and Bid injury. Since we last spoke, we have learned that Joe L.

and Bid is going to have surgery on his knee. It does seem to me, even from reading your excerpt, that it kind of, it kind of depends on whether they're going to get him back or not. Like if you're going to get him back, you've got to view that much differently than if you know you're not. getting him back this season. I mean, your championship chances all depend on that one simple fact.

And so if you think you're getting them back, I think you're probably aggressive at this trade deadline. If you're not going to get him back, then yeah, you just keep your powder dry and get to the off season, right? I mean, we've talked about this all year, Chris, like ever since the Hardin trade, I've been, I've said to you, I wrote it in the article. I've said, I won't surprise me if the Sixers just stick with what they got. And like you've always said, well, Mori's always said, if you have a 5% chance, you get to go for it. And like, this is the curveball here within Bede. It does change things in the sense that, like, if he's not going to be back, if you feel like he's not going to be back, well, then, yeah, you should probably just retain your assets for the summer unless there's a deal that you know won't be there in the summer that you can't pass up now.

But if there's a chance he returns, if there's a real chance he returns, then you are a more. more incentivized to make a move now because you're in danger of slipping into the plan. The Sixers, they're the five seed right now. They're only a handful of games up on the seven seed and the eight seed. They're four and ten on the year without Joe and Lobede entering Monday. So it's the type of thing for them, like you need some support right now to hold your guaranteed playoff spot with a top six seed. So it's like a big major curveball here.

I look forward to seeing what the Sixers do, but ultimately, I still. Still, I still will stand by what I've been saying all year. It won't surprise me if the Sixers just stand pat with what they got and then enter the offseason with the flexibility to make big moves. I thought, hey, if, you know, like they call it pre-agency, like go ahead and make our trade. And that's what we would be doing for free agency. It just might not be available, right? Like some of the names that we have talked about in the past. You know the meetings off the table, but DeRosen, right?

if he's not going to sign an extension with Chicago, which of course there's no contract after this, and you're going into the all season, like, does it behooth Chicago to move him now? Do you even have what they would want in order to attain him? And that's like, that's the ideal move. If you could somehow attain him, though all of the reports out of Chicago

is that there's no expectation that he is going to be moved. so we will see. But the Philadelphia, it's going to be very fascinating. And maybe they just plan out like, all right, look, this is what we want for next season anyway. So it'll help us get by this season. And even if they get MB back, are you getting MVP best player in the league this season, Joel Embed back? I mean, that's probably pretty far-fetched to believe in, right?

It is far-fetched. It's hard to fathom that you will. And it's also possible that, like, maybe because, like, they lose tonight to the Mavs. So now they're 4 and 11 without Embed. If this slide continues and the Sixers are the Seven Seed, it may actually be more of the sensible approach to say, let's not rush you back. let's take this step back to season. We know what you can be. We know what Max it can be.

We saw everything that we had to see from you guys this season. We don't want you to rush back and get hurt again. So it's possible that if they continue sliding, why would you bring him back if you're in the seventh spot or the eighth spot like in the middle of April? So it's obviously a major bummer for the Sixers because it felt like if there was any year it was going to happen, it would be this year.

But who knows, man. It's like we talked about what the Grizzlies earlier. this year losing jaw. Maybe it ends up a blessing in the skies that you get a higher pick. Maybe like getting the 10th pick or the 11th pick if you miss the playoffs, you end up landing a guy who changes the course of everything. Like it's possible. Or you trade it.

Or that asset is used, much like it was years ago when Cleveland ends up with the number one pick and they're able to flip it and they add Kevin Love into the mix. And we've seen that happen before where it's like the team ends, And I think in retrospect, we go, wow, what if it's a great sliding doors moment, what if Golden State would not have exercised the pick for Wiseman, but rather used that as an asset. Or just hit the pick, like if they drafted a lamello ball, like if they just hit on it. That's right.

You added him to the mix and he became your supercharged version of Sean Livingston. Because the thing with this year's draft class is, I think I said this either, you or Bill, one of the two pods. this is a weak draft if you're only looking at the top two top three for stars it is a good draft if you already have an established core so for a team like the sixers where you have a dominant center and you have a really good guard and maxi like it's easier to find somebody in this year's draft class that fits next to those guys it's a good role player draft so in that sense that's where I'd look at it for the Sixers, a team like the Thunder, where you already have a core. This is a good draft for you to find enhancing pieces who complement stars and just help fit.

Because those guys matter. Like, we're seeing that so much this year with the Sixers. Guys like Tobias Harris stepping up. De Anthony Melton and then all these guys, if you can get another one of those in this year's draft, I don't know. There's a bunch of guys that I would love to see on the Sixers in this draft class. So who knows, man? Maybe it ends up being a blessing of disguise.

Obviously, it's a bummer today, but I just very much look forward to seeing what they do on Thursday, because that will at least indicate how they feel about Joel's chances of returning and being close to the MVP version of himself. Next topic he broasted is what the Hawks will do. The Hawks played the Clippers pretty close tonight, though they're going to give up 150 points, it seems like. That's the game I had in the background. Got to score 140, but she'd give it up.

Almost 150. Right. And you've been on this, and I thought you did a good job of at least making the case surrounding maybe you move Trey rather than DeJante. Now, let me just go ahead and say, I think Trey is an extremely special talent. He appears to be on the same page every time I watch them with the coach, which that was going to be a thing. You know, he has not always been on the same page with this coach, but it feels like they, got a good marriage. And if it's me, I would go, it's hard as hell to get, I know he's been left off the

all-star team, but this guy is an all-star, all-NBA level talent. It's hard as hell to find those guys. And so my job is to build out around him the best I can, which they clearly have not done. I do understand the other side of this, which is coming from a point of view where you're reporting the Dejante Murray price that they want is not, it does not seem it's being met in different quarters. And I find this a little fascinating because it seems like every podcast or reporter I listen to that has any LA ties has brought up Dejante Murray a thousand times to the Lakers. And so it's one of those that it's like it's been talked about so much.

It feels like, oh yeah, he's just going to end up a Laker some way, somehow. But it is your information, at least that so far that they're not fishing around getting the great return because we know that the Dejante Murray stuff has been out there for, it's not just coming up this week with Thursday being the trade deadline. It's been out there for a couple of weeks. Look, I mean, I think with Dejante, it's been pretty widely reported at this point. I forget who had the specific saying that they said the only serious offers for them have come from the Jazz and Lakers for DeJante Murray. So. my perspective is that, well, if the Hawks aren't getting an acceptable offer for DeJante Murray,

it's at least worth considering, well, what happens if we instead look at Trey trades? Trey, maybe you get an offer from the Spurs. Maybe you get your picks back, your own first round draft picks, the ones you gave it for Murray. Then it's effectively like you traded Trey for Murray in certain ways. Or maybe you trade them to the nets, a point guard needed team. Maybe it's a team like the magic step up. Maybe it's one of them. And maybe it turns out there's no trade deal that you want to take.

But I think logically, you could get a greater haul for tray, a proven star, a proven commodity than you could for the Jean-Té Murray. Similar logic that the Kings faced when they decided to trade Tyrese Halliburton instead of Deeran Fox. They trade Halliburton to get a bonus. Halliburon obviously has blossomed into a star. But the reason why they traded Halliburton is because Deeran Fox did not have a trade market at the time.

A team did not want Fox But what has happened with him? Sabonis has gotten better in Sacramento Fox has blossomed into a star So if the Hawks were to follow that same approach If they were to trade Trey And get four or five first round draft picks back And then they were to feed DeJante Murray

That number one guy role for the rest of the season If you look at DeJante's numbers Over the course of the season Per 36, he's averaging 26 points and 7.5 assists per 36 minutes on a 60% true shooting. That's with Trey Young off the floor. Those are like really good numbers, 26 and 8 pretty much. With Trey on the floor, he's averaging 19 and 4 per 36 on an even worse true shooting

percentage. So maybe DeJante, like what if we've talked about it all year? What if his improved shooting is for real? What if he's a guy that's about to take a leap? It's just he so happens to be sharing the floor with Trey Young all the time. What if the Jean-Day Murray, you invest in him the remainder of the season, and then he raises his value and you determine, hey, maybe we want to keep him, or he raises his value so much that you get as much or more than you gave up to the Spurs when you originally got him, and then you can get two halls instead of just possibly one. I know Hawks fans, they say, well, but why would we trade trade? He's entering his prime right now.

Well, the reason why you might want to trade trade trade is because he's putting up all-star numbers, but he's not making all-star teams because his team is losing. and he's a threat to demand a trade this offseason to a team that can position him for success. He's a player ready to win with the right supporting cast around him. He has improved on his defense. He's defending better than he ever has right now for the Hawks, putting in greater effort,

shows up in the deflection numbers and the taking charge numbers, shows up just watching games with your own eyeballs. And offensively, I still think he can move off ball more than he does now, but he's doing it more often, fitting into Snyder's system, fitting next to Murray.

he's addressing the concerns that have been rambling about beating a dead horse for years. So you've got to give him credit there. If the Lakers were to call this summer and offer three first round draft picks and young guys, it's possible Trey is going to say, I want to go there. This summer, that could happen. So I think the Hawks seem to think about that. Quinn Snyder in that front office is going to have to talk to Trey. But ultimately, I think they should start that exploration now just to really figure things out properly

and maximize what their future could look like. I don't like Murray to blossom if he goes to L.A., though. You know what I mean? Like, that's the one that's been thrown out there. So often you talk about these, I know, you talk about these improved stats and how much better he is when he's kind of got the ball in his hands. That's not a place you're going to have the ball on your hands.

Trey's a better fit for the Lakers moving forward than Bajante is, in my opinion. I think Trey's playmaking style fits with LeBron. in AD better than Dejante's does. Personally, that's the way I kind of feel about it off. I'm the Lakers, which might be one reason why. Guess what? They're not going all in for Dejante because they want Trey this summer. They've been rumored to go after Trey for a long time now.

Yovonne Boo has been on that. Lake Great B-Lakers beat writer. He's been on that. So I think that's just something to keep on. Well, I mean, even if he is there, both clutch guys, Trey going to a team, like he could be the guy that kind of takes over, through the next era as well.

He could continue playing with AD after LeBron retires if he retires him two, three years or even just decides to go back to Cleveland or whatever. I think Trey is a future piece for the Lakers too. And that would be the master plan, the goal of building the most

unlikable team in the history of basketball? Or no? I mean, it's probably helping a lot of people's eyes. But I don't know, I think that. What do you think about like that logic, though, that I kind of put out there? that my thinking behind, well, if you trade,

even if you disagree with trading tray, the philosophy of exploring a trade trade today instead of the Jeante trades, like reversing the order, like a different order of operations. Because the tray stuff is coming. I'm telling you, I've been saying it all year.

My goal, if I'm running the Hawks, is to try to build out around him. Okay, but what if you know internally that there's a chance this summer? He's like, I want to go to L.A. Dejante stuff is already so far down the road.

He was already so far down the road when he was deleting all his social media accounts and everything else. But they don't have to trade him, though. He's under contract for four more years. This new deal hasn't even kicked in yet. I understand. But, I mean, look, I'm sorry, your best player being Dejante Murray is nowhere close to your best player being Tray Young. I know everybody hates on Trey. They're not the same level of player.

They're just not. I agree. I agree. But with that said, though, DeJante has been really good to season when he's been the guy. So I would just be interested to see how that looks over an extended period of time. And that could, therefore, raise his value even more. Fan duels putting the ball in your court for the rest of the NBA season,

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$10 first deposit required bonus issues and non-drable bonus pest to expire seven days after receipt. See terms of sportsbooks on fendul.com. A couple other winning teams that you chronicled what they could possibly do. Denver, it seems minor. You mentioned some names, Dilan, right? Monty Morris, maybe just some, like, veteran backup help for, we know that they have got their solid starting five, a championship caliber starting five. But it seems like just minor reinforcements that you're messing around in the margins, right?

Yeah, that seems like about it right now. Just improve that backup guard spot. I believe it was Mark Stein who reported Dallon Wright. I've heard the same. I mentioned Monty Morris, their former backup point card as well. He'd be an interesting fit, though he hasn't. Morris hasn't been good since returning from injury for the Pistons. He's also barely played, so it's hard to judge.

It's also a tough contract to trade for. It's like $9 million. You'd have to give up Naji and maybe Reggie Jackson or other pieces. It's a tough deal. But at the least, it seems like the Nuggets are looking for a better fitting backup guard than Reggie Jackson. Delon Wright feels like a nugget, too. I agree.

I think DeLon Wright makes a lot of sense for the nuggets, for sure. Like versatile, gets rebounds, you know, kind of bigger, just solid, solid basketball player. You know, somebody reported earlier, and I don't think I put it in the story, but forgive me, whoever reported it. But someone said to Celtics have looked at DeLan Wright as well. I've heard similar there, but I can't, like, figure out the deal, like, what they would want to give up salary-wise to get the lawn right. So, I mean, it'll be interesting to see, like, where a guy like that goes if it is a team

like Boston and what they decide to consolidate for salaries. But it seems like a lot of potential minor deals for those contenders rather than big deals. Yeah, because you mentioned with the Clippers and that the goal would be to get a PJ Tucker upgrade or somebody they could use since they don't really use PJ Tucker. And you threw out PJ Washington out there. What do you think? What do you think? Bro, you ain't getting PJ Washington for that?

Why not? For a 2030 first round draft pick with a team with that age, that pick could be pretty valuable down the line. I got it, but that guy's also got $100 bazillion. I would not, like, no. I can get more. PJ Washington had no free agent market this summer, though. It wasn't interest for them.

I got it. But that's also a function of not having money. Yeah. That teams didn't have money. teams could still like to pay PJ Washington and trades and all that too. I'd want PJ Washington on this contract.

Me too. I think people like PJ Washington. And I think probably people like them around the league. I get it that they retained their own guy and he got less than what we thought he would get. But that's a solid role player who can do more on a given night. And I think that you could probably, do I think you're getting better than a first round pick in 2030? maybe you could get a closer pick than maybe six years down the road.

And the other thing is I think you could probably get some return. And I don't know why you'd move it if you're Charlotte. Like if I'm Charlotte, I get the Bridges thing, which we'll get to in a minute. But you've got Brandon Miller, your guy, by the way, let me just go and highlight him. 33, please, please. Let me highlight him. I'm going to give you some stats on him. So you just cover your erection so it doesn't get on camera.

Brandon Miller, last five games. Don't want to call it. HR. Last five games, 29 points per game, almost two steals, four three-pointers made a game, shooting 49% from the field, 45% from three, 86% from the free throw line. And he has led the Hornets in points, steals, and three. in that stretch in the last five games. He's gotten really good, really fast, man.

That happened quickly. Yeah. I mean, what did I say to you? What was the December episode? Like, rookie to watch second half of the year? Yep. I mean, I didn't see it becoming this good this soon, though. I mean, it's crazy.

I know. It's all clicked, but it does really resemble his year in Alabama. He stunk getting to the basket and finishing at the basket until like the middle of December. and then he figured it out. And then until he got hurt before the tournament, he was awesome at every level. Getting to the basket,

Alabama didn't use the mid-range like as high school teams did, but getting into that floater range, hitting threes off the dribble, off the catch. He was amazing as a score, and then he got hurt. With Charlotte this year, similar. Not getting the basket a lot earlier in the season.

Now he's getting anywhere whenever he wants to. He looks like an all-around guy. It's really impressive the way he's kind of molded his game to adjust two years in a row now at the college level and now the NBA level of the rookie. You know, they got the new ownership. You get a new coach next year. And then you just, you get rid of the other stuff. They already moved Rozier.

And then you got Lamello, you got Brandon Miller, and you got Mark Williams. And I kind of build out around it. And I think, but you know what I, the reason I say that I wouldn't give it up for PJ Washington, PJ Washington is still at an age where it's like, guess what you're going to look around for if you're trying to build out with Mark Williams and PJ Washington? You're going to be looking for a PJ Washington. I agree. I wouldn't move him either. I totally agree with you.

Yeah. I mean, I just keep him with those guys. And then kind of, you know, build out that roster because that could be a really fun roster really quick. Oh, yeah, for sure. You know. No doubt about us, especially like the way Miller's playing right now. that could be a pretty exciting exciting core really fast

shout out Michael Jordan making his final decision looks like a good one and I'll be honest I watch that Clippers Hawks game a lot of it tonight and you know I saw the Clippers in person a month ago

and I came on here and I said that's the team like that the second I saw them up close and personal and what they were bringing off the bench and Kauai and Paul George at the level. I saw them in a game where it didn't even look like they were trying.

And I was like, Jesus, like this is the team if they could stay healthy that is the Denver problem. And I think a lot of people over the course of the last month have come to that same conclusion. I got to be honest. I watched them again tonight. They don't need anything, Kevin. They didn't do anything. They're fine because they're about to get, you know, big zoo back in the fold, you know full full board and tice has been pretty good for them yeah and you know they bring guys out

their bed they get this energy they bring off the bench with with russ and amir coffee coffee coffee underrated very underrated role player oh dude there was a possession uh with like maybe i don't know five minutes ago it was pretty nip-tuck game and i mean he just like stayed in front of djante murray and then djante murray tried to do a step back and he just straight blocked him. And I was like, yeah. They just got wings on wings on wings on that team. They throw Terrence man at you. They throw Powell at you. They're deep and they are good, really, really good. And got to give Russ credit as well for bringing energy out the bench as well. That's what he's asked to do. And it's what he does every single night. He's bringing energy. Do you see that

Pat Bev clip that was going around earlier in the week? Talking about the blame, blaming me, blaming Russ. Did they blame me? They blame Russ. We're both on good teams? Yeah. Sheesh! I know. Cheez! All right.

Your next note was the fascinating one to me, because it was about the Bulls, a team that we've talked about a lot. Now, obviously, I've never seen a guy elect to get a surgery just so he didn't get traded to the Pistons, but that was pretty awesome by Zach Levine. He's like, F this. Wait, hold on. You guys are thinking about trade me of the Pistons. The hell you are.

Can you imagine if Detroit did it anyway? That'd be funnier than hell. You know, you got DeRosen, you got Caruso, you got Busavitch. And you were saying like, look, have these guys, get what you can, blow it up. So I went back and looked. And I'm like, you know, we've been doing this podcast for a long time. And I remember the first time that they blew it up. They took too long to do it.

Took too long. Okay. But then they traded Jimmy Butler. That was the start of it, right? So too long to do it. And they got a young Zach Levine, and they got Chris Dunn, and they got the number seventh pick in the draft. F-plus, Larry Marketing.

And that was Lori Marketing. And then they turned Lori Marketing into Derek Jones, Jr. And a pick that may never convey. Still has not conveyed from the Blazers because it was lottery protected, and now the Blazers suck. So it's like, all right, you may never see that. And they turn Wendell Carter and another first into, Nicola Bushish.

Right. And they, look, you go back and look at it's like, Wendell Carter, Kobe White, Patrick Williams, Lori Marketing, like, I mean, there's just, there's no patience, but it's like some of those guys, obviously, if you would have just stuck with it and done the rebuild,

but they went the impatient route, tried to get good again, and now we're back to, it's like second verse, same as the first. And even with the DeRosa, deal. Their pick, that was my first reaction was, well, man, surely they gave up a first round pick they did to the Spurs. And that's in 2025. But that is protected one through 10. So your idea of just go ahead and being bad so that you can, you know, at least not lose that pick,

because they're going to lose the pick. But they don't have, they don't have both of their picks. Their second round pick in 25 is gone. they don't have even their 26 and 27 second round picks are gone they don't have both of their picks until 2028 crazy it's it's i mean they are a they just made a mess of this crap truly but i you know you look at like the young players that they had they they sucked for a couple years in a row and obviously did not hit it big with the lottery but it just took a while for coby white It's taken a while for Patrick Williams. You'd have Wendell Carter.

It clearly took a while for Lori Marketing him, but the guy's damn all-N-B-A now. And it's like, geez, your rebuild wouldn't have been that shitty. Here we are again. I think hiring the wrong coach didn't help all that. Jim Boylan set that team back quite a while. He was one of the worst coaches all of basketball in the last 10 years. So for the Bulls, if you're going to do it, which they should,

because DeRosen could walk this summer. You could lose him for nothing. Vouch, what's the point of having him? I'm sorry, what's the point? You should move him. So, like, yeah, I mean, you hold on to Zach Levine and move, even with Caruso. Caruso, I think Caruso's the one guy you could argue

you keep for culture. But at the same time, he is such a good piece for a contending team. If a team overpays, they feel like Caruso's the guy that puts him over the top. You take the deal. And you play with the young guys. You try to bottom out, especially next year and the year after, which does feature potential franchise changers. Go for that, man. The other thing, though, Kevin, the other option, and this is one I've always been in favor of, is building from the middle.

And that you can do that. So you take your Demarda Rosen and you do the OG and Anobie thing. You ain't got a bottom out and suck, right? but now I've got IQ and R.J. Barrett. Like whatever I'm building out, along with Kobe White and Patrick Woods, now I'm building out a team that's in its young 20s. And that's kind of the route I go. So I can use my assets to not necessarily just get caps, space, and picks,

but rather try to get some young players off of these different rosters and where I don't have to play this lottery game and then try to get lucky. and then if I don't go, oh shit, that was my plan. Getting lucky was my plan. And so I actually think you could get some real assets, but again, that would take moving and DeRosen and Caruso. And those are things that, at least from the Chicago reports,

don't seem to be in the card. You know, the reports are they want two first round picks for Caruso. Who the hell knows what all they would want for DeRosen. But you might be able to attain some young good players and some picks. and make that deal. So I guess my version of Blow It Up wouldn't be your standard blow it up, just bottom out, get as many picks as you can, get the cab space that you can.

I would use that and kind of go to what Toronto just did and go try to get some assets. Yeah, because that player could take somebody over the top, much like OG might take New York or seemingly has to a different level. Yeah, I don't understand why there's all these reports of they don't expect those guys to move. Like, what the hell are we doing then? What are we doing? Silly.

Yeah, I agree. You talk about the sun's making a risky move possibly, and that's the Bridges move. Miles Bridges, yep. You said at this point, it would be surprising if he didn't end up there. You believe that? There's so much smoke around it. everywhere out of phoenix local phoenix reports the national

reports seems like bridges has only really been linked to the suns and the maverts at this point and the sons uh they barely have any assets they'd be more incentivized to go get bridges obviously an incredibly complex situation and it's weird because

talking about basketball and not talking about what we would that is just every time you see him, that's what you're going to think about forever. And I get it. It's a business. He's playing basketball. They have, you know, he suspended. People can have differing opinions of whether he should be in the league or not.

But, I mean, we've seen this happen in sports, man. We've seen it. The Cubs won a World Series. There was, like, the greatest moment in their sports fans' lives. And the guy that was closing out the game was, right, Araldus Chapman, who, yeah. And it's like, okay, if you think about him for five seconds, you feel disgusting. But they won the World Series. So we know that teams will overlook transgressions in order to try to win basketball games.

And the other thing is this, you know, and I haven't seen this mention, but that owner's big Michigan state guy, too. Yeah, people out of Phoenix have talked about that connection. about how he seems to be one of the ones who's kind of driving the push to go get Miles Bridges. Well, he'll get what he wants. And I'm sure then he can stand up and say, I have this great relationship with Tom Izzo.

I've known Miles for many years. He's made a horrible mistake, but I know his character. And you try to convince people like, I have a greater, this is not just, I have no, and again, it might all be baloney, probably is. But you at least could say

I have some type of relationship or I'm very close to a lot of people that are very close to. For sure. And so I know what this kid is despite the horrible, unforgivable mistakes he's made. Of course. And like, I'm sure that's exactly the approach the Sons would take if they do trade for bridges. I mean, obviously from a basketball standpoint, he's in no-dah upgrade over Nassir Little, who's the guy you would move for Miles Bridges. they could deal five second round draft picks.

They can deal their swaps again. I mean, they've already dealt their swaps multiple times to other teams. So for Charlotte, if they do indeed want to move off of Bridges, who had 41 tonight against the Lakers, which also remains to be seen that they would actually want to do that, be interesting to see how that plays out. But it does seem like Phoenix or Dallas right now with the teams from Bridges, if a deal happens.

But with the Dallas side of things, they've reported it will be interested in. PJ Washington, who we already mentioned. Jeremy Grant has been mentioned as a target for the Mavericks. Others have reported. I'm not reporting that. Others have put those names out there. But Dallas seems to have more options because they have more assets.

The sons don't. The sons don't have assets. So they're very limited with the types of players that they can actually go for. And a guy who has completely torpedoed his value in Miles Bridges is exactly the type of player that, obviously, that they're in trying to get right now. You never know, though. When you get to the trade deadline, there may actually be multiple suitors. And then you don't have the best offer because you don't have the assets to have the best offer.

Yep. Your last observation was a bunch of LeBron trades. I'm not going to get into all the LeBron trades. It's just for fun. Kind of a fun little thing to end the article. What I am going to do is talk about what was a bona fide hilarious weekend. with the meeting with the Nix and this is after the emojis

the New York emojis the New York outfit wearing the orange and blue dunks with the jean jack I mean it's all so coordinated it's so playing the towel over his shoulders after the game I mean the New York I mean

look this is it's it's a right of spring for him to pressure his team into doing something. Typical LeBron, same playbook. But this one, this one was an all timer. This was like everybody going, oh, LeBron's going to be in New York,

LeBron's going to New York, and then he just feeds into it the entire time. The entire time he feeds into it. Unbelievable. And so, look, that Vanderbilt injury is big.

Big and it appears as if they're not going to have him for the entire season. So there's another one that's gone. I mean, the Vincent thing was already a disaster. Now you've lost another guy. And now you've got LeBron bearing down on, hey, let's do something with this. And so what do you think? Do you think by Thursday, the Los Angeles Lakers are going to be able to net something that is going to appease the king.

I'm a little confused on what LeBron would actually want here because the player that they've always been rumored to go after is DeJante Murray. How much of an upgrade is DeJante Murray over DeAngelo Russell? If DeLow

this past month is the dealo they get moving forward. Dilo always... Listen, Chris, wait a minute. No, wait a minute. Don't dismiss it yet. Wait. I'm dismissing it. No, no, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Done.

His last 13 games, just put the numbers out there, averaging 24 points per game. No. 18 shots per game, six and a half assists to 2.2 turnovers. Okay, okay. All right, you can easily say that this is just an outlier hot streak. He's going to fall back down to Earth. Postseason exposed him last year. He got attacked on defense.

He wasn't effective offensively. But he's playing with so much freedom. He's been empowered to take more shots to, touch the ball more often to initiate more possessions. Because they're trying to build up his trades. Okay. Okay. But what I'm saying is I'm not sure I totally believe it either.

But what I am saying is he's 27 years old. Cool. And this is the first time he's been empowered in a role like this with this type of usage ever since he was an all-star. Bro, you are really talking yourself into DeAngelo Russell. I'm just playing devil's advocate here instead of saying the same old thing that everybody's saying, well, of course you trade deal for Bury. I'm just saying what if Dilo at 27 years old they happen to stumble into his prime?

What if that's what this actually is? Is that by empowering Dilo, a guy who always has been somebody who struggles without a lot of shots, who likes to have consistency, he's the type of player who needs minutes, needs shots, needs touches. What if he's the type of guy that, oh, wait a minute, by giving him more, he's actually giving us more? What if he's that type of player and they accidentally found this? isn't that at least possible that he is that type of guy when every indication has been that he's not the guy that they wished he could be is that kind of bench spark plug he's not that but what if he's actually this

and if he is this that's why I kind of wonder well this makes Austin Reeves more redundant maybe you trade Reeves oh my God and then you were able to get because of 13 games of frigging DeAngelo Russell sure but it's not it's not just come Chris, it's not, Chris, wait a minute. No, no, no. It's not just 13 games. Yes, it is.

It's many years. It's what he was in Brooklyn. It's what he was in Minnesota. All right. It's years of like looking at this guy and seeing when he struggles, when he's not, and now he's 27. What if he's more in his prime? I know the same thing LeBron knows,

which is that I'm going to have to beat the clippers or the nuggets in order to get to the, to represent the Western Conference. And I ain't walking into that shit with DeAngelo Russell being my other guy. Come on. Come on. I don't know. What if he thinks it's not Austin Reeves? What if it's the opposite?

What if he thinks it's not Austin Reeves that you can walk in with? Austin Reeves has not been the same guy this year. Defensively, he's been exposed. Offensively his shot. At least Austin Reeves could play against the Nuggets. DeJole Russell couldn't even play against him. You couldn't even play him. I know.

I agree. Fails. he failed. You couldn't even play the guy. And all I'm doing is playing devil's advocate here, okay? Well, you don't need to do that. If you want to know my real opinion here with Dilo, I would be looking to trade Austin Reeves.

That is my real opinion, because that means you can keep your future picks. And I don't know if the Hawks would actually do that for the Jean-A-Mari. I don't know if they actually would. I'd be intrigued by the Murray-Dilo back court. And D-Lillo's also on, like, a team-friendly contract as well, just like Reeves is. All right. Well, look, keep it.

watch that dude walk out the door. He'll be in New York. He'll be singing it with Jay Z on stage. Okay, but that's the flip side of it there too, Chris. Maybe the best route for the Lakers is to trade LeBron this summer. Maybe it's time to stop exhausting assets over a guy who will be 40 next season. You've got a better read on this than I do because you're out there. So, you know, there was the merging of the, there's the LeBron stands that follow him

no matter. And then there's like hardcore Laker fans. They're Laker fans. LeBron happens to be on the team so they love LeBron right now. But they're not, they weren't like LeBron's stance. In fact, they hated LeBron because they were Kobe people. Kobe, exactly. Right. So the Laker people have just had to try to act like they care about LeBron, like they they once cared about the others. And then you've got all the LeBron fans that are now Laker fans, but they're really just LeBron fans because they'll become Knicks fans if he goes to the Knicks or whatever. And like when he does all of this stuff, like the whole like wearing the New York towel and like, you know, obviously like yanking around. Like he that like his heart's not in

LA. His heart is where they're going to, he's a, he's a mercenary, right? Like, if you're not going to do the most for me to try to put me in a position to win the title, then I'll put on another jersey. I don't care. Like, is there a weird like split with that? Do you feel like Laker fan? Yes. Okay. Do you think Laker fans are mad about the New York crap? I mean, our producer, Jesse, who grew up in Los Angeles, he just put in the chat,

a lot of those Kobe Stans still hate LeBron, Laker or not. And that's true. That's 100% true. One thing I'd say is that every Lakers fan that I have in my life that I know, I'd say close to 100% of them would be fine with him leaving. That they're ready to move on and start building young and get ready for it. for the next star. Almost every

Lakers fan that I have in my life is ready to move on. And granted, that's like anecdotal. It's a small sample, but every one of them. So I think that's

because there is logic to it. There's logic to moving on. You won your championship. There's logic to moving on before he turns 40 years old and getting something good in return and then building young and having a fun young team

and then going to get Luca in a couple years, once the Mavericks fizzled out. That's the plan. That's what the Lakers are going to try to do is go get Luca. You just told me they want to Trey Young. Now they want Luca too. Why not both?

Oh, God, the guys that were traded for each other. Can you imagine? Let me throw you some rapid fire guys at you. Just trade rumor stuff that's been out there. So Mark Stein's been reporting about this, like, McKell Bridges thing and that Houston would really want him and New Orleans would really want him. But they're probably not getting rid of it.

Brooklyn, it seems like they're going to move these other pieces. like Finney Smith will go somewhere, Royce O'Neill will go somewhere. And those guys can help people for sure as wing players. But anyway, the fascinating part of it to me was this whole Stein report that Jalen Green could be on the table. Oh, he is. And that that would be a means in order to try to, you know, get a Bridges deal or like when you go, if you go big game hunting like that. That's true. It's true. You aren't surprised by that at all. It's true. It's been out there for a while now. However, I don't think the Rockets are going to trade Jaylen Green unless it's for a McElbridge's type of player.

And whether he's available or not remains to be seen. And my impression is that McElbredges from the Nets is not available. The Nets are instead a team that wants to kind of maintain status quo and then add a star, which is why I mentioned to you like Trey Young for them or why, like if the, the Cavs, obviously are rolling right now, but if they were to split up Mitchell and Garland at some point, one of those guys this summer, just like, I think the nets are trying to position themselves for that next star who's available in a trade and not trade bridges, the guy that they already really love. Understood. You got a lot of these, you know, when you were talking about Denver earlier or the clippers or there's a lot of these teams that are just, they ain't got much to do, they're going to deal in the margins. But I am fascinated by some that could augment their

roster for the playoffs and some of the names that have been out there you know we mentioned monti morris we mentioned delon right alec burke is out there right is another vet guy that's at the pistons andre drummond any interest you know i saw a link to boston and some of the other good teams is just another big guy to have on a you don't care about andre jrard just a big body they say he's still rebounding what about olinif i like kelly olinnelly o lennox moves the needle for you if you're Yeah, I mean, he's a solid, solid rotation big. Who also stretches the floor, he can space the floor, right? Yeah, he's a solid positional defender.

I think he makes sense for a hell of a lot of teams. Drummond is more like that the big body that you want, you know, as a bruiser, rebounder type. And Olinick fills a bunch of different types of roles. Does Brooklyn guys, Royce O'Neill, Finney Smith, Dinwiddie? Any of those do anything for you? Finney Smith does. Me too.

O'Neill is like one of the better guys attacking closeouts in the NBA. He just does a good job. Hitting threes, attacking closeouts, making the right play. Solid defender, not a great defender. I like both those guys. The price on Finney Smith seems a bit high, as has been reported, but I can't imagine the Nets seriously expect two first-round picks for him. That's unreasonable.

There's no way they get that. No way. There's a lot of smoke about the Mavs being done with Grant Williams, so I've got to take it seriously. Yeah, I would definitely take that seriously. That that has not worked, and there's, We may move on. Do you like the... Remember early in the year?

I think it was even preseason. The Kyrie Irving's side eye at Grant Williams. Yep. I'd say there's been a lot more of that since that. You got one report out there that's Grant Williams for Bobby Portis, that kind of package. Do you like that for... Who put that out there? I didn't see that personally.

I think that might have been in... I didn't see that. I think that might... Let me go check. I think that might have been in Stein's a little newsletter that he put out today. Stein put that out there today. Okay. And Stein is Mr. Dallas.

I mean, it'd be great to take away Bobby Portis from Doc Rivers, that's for sure. It plays them way too much. So do you like Grant Williams in Milwaukee? Sure. I mean, I like Grant Williams. I'm just not sure his teammates too. And it certainly has not worked at Dallas. Do you know Tim McMahon, the other guy that covers Dallas?

Do you know who he threw out there, which this is one I wanted to ask you about? He threw one out there when he was on Zach Lowe's podcast, where I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on now. Because the one team that I think we need to watch that is not being, like, their stuff's not in rumors anywhere, except for the fact that, hey, all our guys are available, is Golden State. They've got one of the best five to ten basketball players in the world. I just saw them in person, actually, over the weekend.

And it's like, okay, they don't want to get rid of pods. They don't want to get rid of Kaminga. but the rest of it, we could do what you will. And there to me, like kind of flying under the radar. But if there's ever been a try to build out to win that, like you have no window. Like this is the window. So you better go try to stock up if you can. He threw out there a Wiggins deal maybe in Grant Williams.

And I was like, that Wiggins contract is horrible. If I could get off that thing, I'd get off it in a minute, especially if I could could get a player like Grant Williams level. That's crazy to me. Yeah, the Wiggin stuff is slowing out there. That's true. Yeah. Do you think Golden State's going to, I mean, if they can move off Wiggins, I mean,

they might be able to make some moves. I like Grant Williams there. Yeah. I like Grant Williams, man. I just hadn't worked. I mean, like he was solid in Boston. I don't make shots. I think, yeah.

And also like the three has not fallen for him as much lately for Dallas. And he needs to be hitting threes. I'd be intrigued by him with Golden State because the one thing that Grant Williams has not been able to unleash ever since he was at Tennessee in college. At Tennessee, he was a playmaking forward. He was a guy that threw the ball to it, the elbow, post-ups.

And my draft guy, if you look back on my profile of him, I think Grant Williams is one guy I got it right on. And one of the notes in there is that, hey, he could be a short role, screen and roll guy, like playmate got of a short role. well, who better to do that with than Stefan Curry in that Warriors' offense. So if I'm the Warriors, I would love to have a guy like Grant Williams

and see what he could turn into in their system. It could be a good fit for them. Yeah, he could be a good fit for them. And maybe you can revive Wiggins' career. Who knows? And honestly, like, they need guys like Finney Smith that just knocked down corner threes. Like, they got playmaking.

It'd be a really, really great acquisition, both those guys. It's cool and say where to get either. Smith or Grant or both of them in different deals. Yeah. But I'm saying Finney Smith was like perfect with Dallas and Luca. That's where we really started to love him. So then get Wiggins in that role for Dallas, you're saying. Yeah, but I mean, he can't make, he can't.

I mean, I wouldn't take the Wiggins contract. That thing goes up. I mean, it sucks. It's like three more years, isn't it? Mm-hmm. No thanks. Since the finals, he's been no good. I mean, again, I just saw them the other night.

I saw a great comminga game. Caminga looked great in the game I went to. He looked like he was starting to figure it out. He's super efficient, had almost 30 points. And I was a fan, for sure. Getting good. And I love pods too. So I understand why they would want to hold on to those guys.

But they're kind of a stealth one because Steph doesn't do the whole, you better do something. But they're crossroads right now, man. You're really not going to be a playoff team with Steph Curry. That's malpractice. It's a wasted year if they aren't. Right.

But in order to do that, they have to be aggressive by Thursday. It's going to be a fun trade deadline. There's going to be a lot of action. You could tell. You can tell there's going to be a lot of action with everybody dealing with the salary cap and the apron, the second apron, and also. It's more complex than it. It's always been complex, but it's even more complex now.

And then trying to decide whether they're going to be a playoff team or not. for a lot of teams and a lot of things we've been used to for a long time, i.e. the Lakers and the Warriors. It's going to be a fun-trade deadline for sure.

We're going to record on Thursday night after it's all said and done. Oh, yeah. Before we get out of here, I got two things, two things. First is, I went and saw the G-League Ignite.

Okay, yep, yep. What did you think? Bozellis, Holland, they all play? I was furious. So they were here for two days. Holland didn't play in either of them. Okay, but you saw Buzellis. And he's the best prospect.

You see Almanza, the center too? You can have him. Okay. But what about Bozellis? I didn't really care about him. Buzellas. I walked into the arena, saw him, and immediately thought I'm going to hate this guy. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Skinny, lanky. He is bigger than what I thought he was going to be. I'm talking height-wise. He's very tall. Incredibly tall. He's 19. I mean, I think he had 13, 14, 14 rebounds at the game.

I mean, the team is horrible, horrible. I pulled up his numbers he did. He had 13 rebounds, three assists. Yo, he gets in the mix. I liked him. 16 points, 18 shots. Yeah, I like these Lithuanian guys, though. He reminds me, you know what I mean?

Like, he gets in the mix. He's skinny, but man, he's, like, the ball comes off the rim and he's ready to go rebound. He beat a guy off the dribble. He created space for himself on a step back three that he missed. But I was like, you know, this guy's. a pretty good athlete who's got he's got some dog in him and I just my first impression was I am not going to like this guy but I certainly did not walk out going I didn't like that guy like I could see him coming something for sure now it ain't like I went and saw you know some crazy special talent

that oh my God what's he going to be like but I also thought he was pretty damn good and I thought for 19 on a G-League court, I do wonder, you know, as I was there, there's not many people at these G-League games. It's dead. Yeah, and I, that is one thing.

The competition is clearly better. It more mimics the NBA game, but I'm not so sure it's not better to be Rob Dillingham playing on the road in Georgia with people calling you a sack of shit while you're trying to make a three, you know? They're playing, every year the Igniteer playing

like it's COVID. The empty arenas. No environment. It's really like it's like it's pickup. It's dude. It's actually kind of sad. That is the one thing. The competition's better.

The players are clearly better. The basketball. But also it's a good to be getting your ass whooped every single night. No, this is not good. They're one in 17. And this has obviously hurt his draft stock. Yeah, definitely has. Whereas what if he was going to kick an ass in the Big Ten or something?

Yeah, like he might have went to North Carolina. And they have an upperclassman, Harrison Ingram, who's kind of playing the type of role that Buzellas theoretically could have played as this kind of versatile playmaking forward. So, I mean, with the Buzellas, he went 0 for two from three in your game that you saw. He's shooting 27% from the year from 363% on the year from the free throw line. He shot the hell out of the ball his senior year of high school after his first three years he shot more like this.

And in my draft guide, which you can find at the ringer. NBA draft.com for scouting reports. And there I write, well, is it going to show that his senior year was actually an outlier season for him shooting the ball? Because if it was, that changes a lot about

how you view him as a player. I'd like to see him before this G-League season is over, have like a really strong stretch shooting the ball. That would make me feel a lot better about him as a prospect like I did after his senior season of high school. had him ranked in the top three. I had him number one. I could just see this guy like really filling out and becoming like a different guy too.

He's got a shoot though. He's got a shoot. He has to. I got you. I got to. I just thought I don't know. He looks like a weenie, but he does not play like a weenie. No, I like him. Yeah, I think he's a great kid. Yeah, he wants to be good. Yeah, he's just got to shoot. Like he's got to, I mean, these are grown-ass men that are down there. You know what I mean? When you got to go, like, where the ball comes off the rim and you got to go battle somebody for a rebound. These are, like, he's, he's not scared. He's not scared. I liked him.

All right. Anyways, those air goggle things or whatever. The last time we were on here. You were going to go check out the air goggles. What are they called? The Apple Vision Pro. Yeah, I saw the guy on the front row of the Boston game wearing them. Really?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, I saw that scared. He was, like, acted like he was. crossing over and stuff. That was pretty funny. Yeah. Probably paid him to sit there. But anyways, did you go try them out? Yeah, so I went to a demo this morning.

I had a local Apple store, and it's amazing. It's amazing. $3,500 bucks amazing? I would not pay that money. I don't think many people should pay that money. But Apple calls it a spatial computer, and that's really what it is. I forget who said it. I might have been a

tweet or one of the many videos I watched reviewing it, but someone said, it's like, somebody came from the future and built something from the future using the technology of today. That's really what it's like where it's like you can tell you're looking at a screen. It's not quite as crystal clear as it is when you're using your own eyeballs, but it's passable looking at what you're seeing through your own eyes, right? But then when it's when the screens are put in front of your vision, it is a genuinely remarkable experience to like watch a video inside the room you're in like where it's like you see

the people in the background inside the Apple store but then there's a video on top of it or you're looking at text messages or photo on top of it like in terms of like the computer experience it is amazing and like during the demo they they put you like in a immersive environment where like you turn a wheel and it's like suddenly you're at the Grand Canyon and then you're watching a movie at the Grand Canyon. That'd be great for an airplane. You're on a long flight or something like that. My eyes didn't feel fatigued

or anything like that. The audio was very impressive for the way they do the audio. It's kind of like being to your ears from like it's not headphones. It's just kind of over your ears. It's great sound quality somehow. I don't know how it works. Do you watch sports on it? I did not during the demo, but they

did show during like a kind of like an overview video. One of the videos they showed you, they showed you like alternate angles of like a soccer game and a baseball game where like, you know, like one of the seats you had was like kind of like first base, like first row, first base and you're watching a game from there and the way you can kind of look around and see it was at Fenway Park. So it's kind of cool like for me being at Fenway. And it feel like it just like one of the other pieces of technology they have is kind of I forget the exact word,

but the like a certain type of video that you can record where like they showed like you had a birthday party with like a girl blown out of candles and the parents in the background and then there's a video of these kids playing with a ball and like I can like just I felt like emotional seeing those videos because I was like what if I

could watch back memories in this immersive way where it feels like you're there. It's like a 3D feel the way their videos record. This is going to be terrible for pervert. I mean, I'm sure they're already thinking about ideas for some of those websites that we won't mention

on here for the types of videos. It's not making it too immersive. I'm sure they're already on it. They're already on it, Chris. You'll be happy with your subscription that you got. So when you showed up to this thing, is it just you and a bunch of nerds? No, it's a normal Apple store.

You walk in and you tell them what you're there for like you would if you have an appointment for the genius bar. I sat down and waited and then it was, I was at a table and then a girl and her boyfriend, were there together. The girl had the headset on across the table from me. Her boyfriend was like taking pictures of her. And she was like flipping out.

Like I could hear her like in the background, flip it out, you know, about some of the stuff she was being shown. Like you watch like a clip from a Mario movie. But it was, it's, I think everybody like should at least go schedule a demo to experience it. Because it does show you the,

you get it. Like you get where this technology is going. You might not ever imagine yourself spending that much money. Now, you might not imagine yourself ever wanting those goggles on your eyeballs, even if you got gifted it for free. But you can see where the technology is going to go someday with what Apple's doing. This is better than any VR headset I have ever put on before. I've tried the quest. I've put those on before. I think they all have kind of the screen door effect where you can tell you're looking at pixels. There is zero screen door effect on this. There is no recognition of pixels. It is so clear

that it blew my mind as soon as it's on your face. But you can see where this is going someday where three years from now, five years from now, and then 10 years from now, where the technology is going to be, where it is going to be a game changer when it's like on normal glasses or someday it's in contacts

or even if the goggles aren't quite as large or as heavy, though I didn't notice the weight over the 25-minute demo for what it's worth. But you can see where the technology is going, And it is genuinely amazing. At what price would you have bought it? If they'd have told you today, we'll sell it to you for blank. I don't think I would have, not today.

I love my multi-monitor set up at home. I'm not, if I traveled a lot. If they told you they'd give you the thing for $500, you wouldn't have bought it? Of course. Of course. No doubt about it. Without a doubt. That's what I'm saying.

But at what price would you have bought it? I think they'd have, I don't know, obviously we're not in those meetings. I don't know why they set the price as much as they did. I think if they set it for the price of a Mac, like 2K or like 1.5K, it would sell like hotcakes. I think it would be already. They'll probably sell like hotcakes anyway. It probably will anyway.

I think you should schedule a demo. You should definitely schedule a demo. It's amazing. It genuinely is amazing. It's going to be, like, I just can't. If I traveled every week, if I had a job where I was always on planes and I was sitting in airports all the time. I would want it for sure because it's...

I ain't putting that shit goofy shit on my face in public. Who cares, man? Who cares how you look? What does it matter? I don't care. I care. I wouldn't care one bit at all.

Whatever, man. If someone's going to judge me for wearing that, screw you. I would judge you. I'm not paying attention to me. Go do your own thing. I would judge you nerd. Take off your stupid space goggles.

I don't care. Go ahead, judge me. I wouldn't not care one bit. I wouldn't care at all. And someday I will have one. Maybe not this version. Maybe there'll be version two, version three, but man.

Walking around the airport looking like Daft Punk. I wonder how popular it's going to be. I wonder. Not that popular if it costs three and a half grand. Yeah, no, but there's enough people with money that they can do it or people that, I mean, look, how much does a laptop cost? People spend, people spend a thousand bucks on a phone. They spend $2,000.

I got it, but how often am I putting that thing on my face? Seriously. That's the way I feel about it. I don't think I'd get use out of it to make it anywhere worth that price. It's way out of my price range. But for a lot of people who travel a lot and maybe they want to work out of a cafe and have their multi-monitor set up instead of being hunched over on their laptop, there's a lot of appeal, man.

Instead, they're just going to have debilitating neck issues. No, I don't know. I don't know. I wonder how it affects your eyes. Because I remember when we were kids, you know, especially when you were a kid. I heard it too well. We played in the dirt when I was a kid. Yeah, but don't sit too close to the TV. I'm sure you heard that when you were a kid.

I heard it when I was a kid. But I don't think any, I don't think eye issues have gotten any worse for cell phones, multi-monitors, you know, big monitors, laptops, big TVs. I don't think, from what I understand, it's gotten any worse. So I wonder what having a screen, like inches from your eyeballs would do, though. Probably not great for you. Probably not. That's what I'd guess.

I can't imagine it is. I don't think it's been good for you. I don't know. I don't know. My eyes didn't feel any fatigue at all, but it was only 25 minutes. Gotcha. Thank you to our executive producer, Jesse Lopez, as always. Kevin, I will talk to you on Thursday night.

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