The Mismatch - OKC One Win Away After J-Dub Drops 40, Haliburton’s Dud, KD Lingering, and a Memphis Recalibration

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

The Thunder are just one win away from an NBA championship after an all-time performance by Jalen Williams. Verno and Jacoby break down the Game 5 Thunder win and expectations for Game 6 back in Indianapolis. Will Tyrese Haliburton show up after an awful performance in Game 5? Or will OKC lift the trophy on Indy’s home court? Next, the guys discuss the latest trade rumors around Kevin Durant and debate whether he will warm up to playing in Minnesota or go to one of his preferred destinations. Also, Verno passionately explains why the Grizzlies are not going to tank after trading Desmond Bane to the Magic. (0:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(0:28) Thunder Hold On To Beat Pacers: 120-109 (OKC 3-2)(17:33) Previewing Game 6: Thunder [-5] vs. Pacers (OKC 3-2)(33:00) Kevin Durant's Looming Trade Update(46:48) Reaction to the Desmond Bane Trade Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! [phone] Visit creditkarma.com or download the app today. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Chris Vernon and David JacobyProducers: Jessie Lopez and Tucker TashjianSocial: Keith Fujimoto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the mismatch. I'm Chris Vernon. And join me to see us every week from the ringer.com. It's Dave Jacoby. Jacoby. Game five just ended, Verno. It did just end in the Oklahoma City Thunder. When it mattered most, they cranked it up on the Indiana Pacers. That was a two-point game with eight and a half minutes left. And you certainly wouldn't know it by the final score.

And you certainly wouldn't know it by the way that played out in the next four to five minutes of that game and capping that and some of their runs that pulled them away in that game I mean we have to start with Jalen Williams that was that was an all-timer

is that we had talked so much even leading into the playoffs about analyzing these teams and yes they have the MVP of the league are Chet are Jalen Williams going to be able to step up are they prepared to be the second banana on a championship level team?

And at least for tonight and at least for these last few games, Jalen Williams has proven to be an unbelievable Robin. In fact, he was the role of Batman tonight and gets a 40-point finals game. And of course I had to run and go look it up because I was like, it seems pretty rare to have a 40-point finals game, unless you're a superstar. This episode is presented by Intuit Credit Karma. Navigate the world of credit cards

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Of course. Steph Curry. Kevin Durant. Kyrie. Kyrie Irving. He's done it twice. Jimmy Butler. Right.

Janice Anza de Kumpo. Nikola Yokic. Devin Booker. Chris Middleton. Huh. And the only other 40 plus point game in Thunder finals history, Russell Westbrook. He had 43 in one of their games in the 2012 finals. So out, like, you would say, every one of those guys that I just listed outside of possibly

Middleton, which, I mean, when it's all said done, Middleton, Look, Mitch Richmond's in the Hall of Fame. But all those guys, if they never played another minute of basketball, are immediate Hall of Favors, right? Yes. And I'll say, Middleton is the only second option. Because Kyrie and LeBron are both first options. There's on the same team.

Right. I mean, this is how rare this is, though. That's the, by the way, that's the list. That's the total list of everybody that is an active NBA player that has a 40-point finals game. and it is very Middleton-esque when Middleton had 40 in that finals against the Phoenix Suns, right? Where he is the clear second guy on the team.

But that night, he was unbelievable. And he had that 40-point finals game, did Middleton. And tonight, look, they set the tone early. By the time it got to halftime, it's a 14-point game. The things we talked about going into the series, points off turnovers. At that point, it's 15 to 1. 15 to 1.

And the Pacers reverted back to, you know, you could say thunder cranked up the defense. Some of this stuff was just mind-numbingly terrible. I mean, Nemhart's just throwing the ball to them. There's some really bad turnovers from the Pacers. I mean, rough. And Halliburton has got zero at half. He has got a bum calf, I guess, and he's minus 16 with them on the team. the floor. They then erase that lead completely, the 14-point deficit, right? They get that thing

to two. And obviously, T.J. McConnell was great in the third quarter, and they made their run and made it a really good game and really tested Oklahoma City's championship medal by cutting it to two with 830 left after, you know, you could tell, you know, Richard Jefferson saying, A crowd's getting a little uneasy. A little anxious, yep. A little anxious. You know, they've gone quite a bit of time without scoring at a high rate. And, man, I mean, it was just forced turnover, forced turnover, force turnover,

bucket, foul, bucket. I mean, they were great down the stretch of that game. Great. This is exactly what you have to do to win a title. So let's, I'm going to start with the thunder. And I think it's worth celebrating J. Dub. Because I did a little research on him, too, because I remember the Denver series. He had like a downstretch.

Like there was game four, he was two for 13. Game five, he was five for 14. Game six, he was three for 16. And, you know, going into that game seven, there was a real like, is Jalen Williams good enough to be the second banana to the MVP? Is he good enough to be the second option on championship? And tonight, that question has been answered. Absolutely answered. I'm not saying the series is over,

but I'm saying, like, this performance was fantastic. And I think the last three games, it's like, he's kind of like, how do you want it? Because if he gets to the rim, he does this thing with the right and the left hand when he gets to the basket where he doesn't use the other hand to gather. It's the little like sort of single hand scoop. Yeah.

And he uses his offhand to create. create distance from the defender. Like, I don't care if you're eight feet tall. You know, with his size and strength, if he's going to the basket and he's got a full left hand or right hand to use to shield you off and he doesn't have to gather with a second hand, and he just makes it like routine. It's such a hard shot.

He makes it routine. You know who it reminds you of. Kyrie, who we had mentioned before, smaller guys. They typically implement this, right? But he's got this strength with his off arm to shield it. defender. If you remember the year that Isaiah Thomas was averaging like 30 points a game, he lived off of this because they always said Isaiah Thomas, he's a short guy, but he has really long arms, but he would always, this stuff where you create that space and you're hitting

almost these like sweeping hook shots, it is lethal. And the rate he makes it is crazy. because, I mean, you're right, the degree of difficulty in the English you have to put on that thing for it to go in. It's crazy. And he makes it look so easy and routine. And it's so hard to do. There's a reason that you don't see it because it's hard. And then there's a couple baskets where he was just like, I'm just bigger and stronger. And I'm going to get through contact and put this thing off the board.

It's going to go in. I'm going to the line. Like it is a great, a great, great offensive game from him. You know what he can do on the other side of the floor. And, you know, I think personally, I mean, we have to talk about Halliburton. What the hell? We have to talk about him. Like, has there ever been a bigger NBA conversation than Nickhood than Tyrese Halliburton has been throughout these playoffs?

I mean, it's like he scores four. And we're like, what's wrong with Howard? I'm trying to tell you before the playoffs started. He's up and down. He's up and down. But then he might have 34, 9, and 8. And you're like, what? Like, I don't, I don't get it.

And you think he's hurt. Is he hurt or not hurt? Because he looks pretty good when he was in. He finished the game. I mean, he came out with like 2.30 left. But he's moving around pretty good. I know he wasn't getting past anybody. I know that.

No. I know he was in the torture chamber. I know that. I mean, that was a mess. That was a mess. Like, forget all of the, that's not how they functioned. You know, anybody that's watched these Pacers know there is a level of aggression to make that thing go. Like he, and again, they do not count on him like everybody else counts on their star, right?

Like, he was scoreless from the field and they were in a two-point game. Yep. At that point. Right. So we know they don't count on him in the same way. That being said, I mean, a nothing. Nothing? Four points from the free throw line?

And you can't tell me that it's unavailable because T.J. McConnell came in there and damn near had 20 in the third quarter. I mean, T.J. McConnell. He was unbelievable. I don't know why he's not playing in the fourth. Why? Why is he? I'm sitting there watching the game being like, why don't we put McConnell back in the game? And Doris was started talking about it too.

She's like, well, you don't see a lot of minutes with Hallibur and McConnell. I'm like, well, let's do that right now. How about we see those right now? Well, and she's also like, and, you know, I guess you need Nemhart in there for his defense, and I'm like, bro, Nemhart is throwing them to anybody. No, Nemhart is literally throwing them the ball for open dunks. He was terrible. Like, that was just, it was just like lack of focus stuff because he would like drive and get to the paint and then turn and throw it to him. He had two, you know, you're always talking about the pick sixes.

Like, there were two of them in the fourth quarter that were just, he just threw him the ball. Even after the huge Jalen Williams moment where the crowd goes insane, they come back from the break. They come back from the break after a timeout. He throws a ball to Caruso, the first play out of the break after their crowd's on fire. And I'm like, holy max. It was like if, you know, Hulk Hogan ran out and there's a huge pop in the crowd. And then right when it starts to die down, Randy Savage runs out behind him. They go crazy all over again.

It's like, you had just, you had just quelled this. And then Caruso makes that, you know, he's diving on the ground for it. He's flying across the ground, making the play. And I'm like, Nimhard, what are you doing? And if you smile one more time, you're going to, I'm going to lose my mind. He like smiles after he makes the dumbest effing play in America. He's, yeah, I think low key, Haskell Seacob had six turnovers. Yeah, that's all.

That's him trying to triple. Yeah, it was just like, too. Nemhardt had four. Halliburton had three. McConnell had three himself. I mean, it was a, they, I think the story of this game. is like, oh, the Pacers came back and made it close and the Thunder closed out. But that was really on the back of like McConnell and topping.

Like that was not a, the Pacers were close to winning this game game. This was, I didn't, I never felt like this would be game one over again. Did you? Um, when it got to two with eight minutes left, I thought, boy, they were up 14. Like, and they were up even a little more. I thought, yeah, I thought they could do it. I did. And that's what makes the Oklahoma City thing all the more impressive.

I mean, it was four straight turnovers when you had to get bucket. I mean, you're in trade bucket time and they turned it over four straight times for just easy, easy points the other way. And that game just got totally away from them. And that was the, it just took a lot. It took longer for that. I didn't know if the Thunder had that tsunami that would come late like that. It almost felt like, hey, has, has Indiana already withstood the best of it? And the answer was no.

The best of it was yet to come. And it happened when it mattered most. I think it's worth mentioning Wallace and Wiggins hitting shots. Oh, yeah. Like Wallace and Wiggins are just, they hit their shots. and D. Wallace had not made one all series. Oh yeah. Wallace has played himself out of the series.

And then tonight played himself right back in. The Dort one that was like, it was like 12 and then he hit it from the top of the key to move it to 15. Yeah, it was a 101 to 1116. But then Neesmith answered immediately. Yeah. But then they could not get any stops. They couldn't get a stop.

And there's not a defender. I felt this way about Carl Anthony Towns against the Pacers too. There's not a defender on the pageant. that I feel comfortable staying in front of her stopping J. Dub. Well, the problem is it's NAM hard, but they, they, they, they, he's on, he's on SGA. What happened in the last game, though, was they did the no, no, no, let's get knee Smith on SGA.

That's how they won game four, which is the one that's going to haunt them forever, which we haven't spoken about. If they end up losing this series, it's going to haunt them forever. but if you watch those video breakdowns of it, it's like they came out of a timeout with like five minutes left and they just... Spanned it. Because with the two guys,

because they hadn't done a lot of the J-Dubbs screening for, right? And so, but they started doing that. And then tonight, I mean, look, Neesmith had some athletic plays. Certainly that put back dunk was unbelievable. I could even see it. I could literally didn't even. even see it on the first they are those two guys they are cooking him cooking him either one of

them and so it's like all right take your turn and so now i mean jaylon williams it just feels like he could score anytime he wants to however he wants to however he wants to and one's mid-range threes getting to the basket with that one-hand scoop thing like and we're coming off a Nick series where Neesmith was the problem. He was the problem. His defense is he he was, we had to get

him off of Jalen Brunson. Because he was athletic because he's athletically superior. And the size. Yeah, he's at, but he's also athletically superior. That's a fast Twitch above the rim guy. That athleticism. He's dealing with a special

athlete in Jaila Williams. Right? That's not an advantage. The athleticism thing is not an advantage of Jalen Williams for him. It's, I just don't think you're going to win a championship on the back of T.J. McConnell. You know what I mean? I don't see like the Larry

O'Brien trophy being like, T.J. McConnell, finals MVP. Like, that's what it looks like. I was like, I honestly in the fourth quarter, I was like, where's McConnell? He's like, where is he? How did he not hit that three after Obie Top and stole the inbound? I mean, that would have capped off. What would that

have been like 20 something in the quarter? It was insane. I mean, he was having an out-of-body experience. But there's a part of me that's watching the game being like, man, they need McConnell. You know, it's like Halliburton. It also highlights that you can't make excuses for Halliburton. No, if you're out there and he was moving fine. It's one thing like, you know, we saw like Game 7 OG last year or like John Morant against the Warriors.

Like you're obviously hobbled and you're, you know, know, you're limping around on the court, but Halliburton was moving pretty good to my eye. Did you feel like he was hobbled? No. If you did not, look, we know that he went to the locker. Yes. We saw the video. We saw him come out.

I don't deny that he was wincing when he went down the court, but we were watching him play. And that was not a guy that was limping around everywhere. He wasn't limping around. Contesting shots, jumping up for. bounds. Like he was, he wasn't like a decoy out there.

No, he wasn't limping around everywhere. And so, look, and I'd, here's, here's what I'd guess. I guess you get a much better Tyre's Halliburton in the next game.

Oh, yeah. Because that's what we've been used to. And you know what's crazy that I just saw right before we came on the air tonight? They were the last team to face an elimination game. they have not faced an elimination game. Yes. So this will be.

So we, unbelievably, we have not seen the Indiana Pacers in the spot that we will see them in in game six. They were the last team remaining to not play in a game that could end their season. And so we will get to see it in Indiana. It's so predictable what's going to happen on Thursday night. They're going to win and go to seven. I'll be in this chair.

Halliburne's going to take 10 shots in the first quarter. It's so predictable. And the Paces are going to win the game walking away. It is so predictable what's going to happen in game six. Obviously, I have no idea. But it just feels like that. It doesn't feel that way. We're going to look at the tape.

And Hallibor's going to be more aggressive. He's going to have plenty of time to rest. You know, two days off, right, Tuesday and Wednesday. Yeah. And you'll see. I think the Paces walk away with game six. They're going to have Tuesday, Wednesday. and Thursday.

Yeah, because they don't play until Thursday night. Thursday night. That's a lot of time between games. But look, credit to Oklahoma City and most importantly, credit to Jalen Williams, who is absolutely unbelievable in this game. I mean, that is, as we mentioned at the very top of the show, that's an all-timer, truly. Like, Middleton is the best cop, right?

And we will see where Jalen Williams where his career goes. But I mean, that has been something reserved for like absolute all-time greats. Like 40-point finals games don't just happen. That's the point here, right? You don't just get a random 40-point finals game. None of these names are random. 14 for 25 from field,

three for five from three. Like, and free throws, it was just how do you want it? And who do you want to put in front of me? Because I'm going to get to where I want to go. I was so impressed by that. It did feel a little bit like SGA saw that he was cooking and was like, look, man, like, take us home.

Take us home. I didn't feel like there's any ego from SGA, who also played well. But it was a really, really good game. And I also think we need to hat tip the Thunder defense. Because, yeah, Nemhard threw it to them a few times. Siakum had a bunch of turnovers, but, like, they're defense, man. Yeah, like, the best of the league.

22 is crazy against that team. I mean, and the live ball stuff. I mean, you're just. How many did they have in the first half? They had 15. No, no, no. It was 15 points off of those. So they probably had more.

They probably, yeah, they cut them down, certainly in the second half. They've done this before, too. And guess what? They made it a game. and then they started doing it again, and the game got completely out of hand, right? Like, I mean, this isn't, this isn't rocket science. And then a lot of the stats that we have talked about throughout this,

they lost the three point line. It can't happen. I mean, it can't happen. They were 11 for 30 from the three point line, and the thunder were 14 for 32. The thunder shot 44% from three tonight. It was Dort, and it was, Wiggins and Wallace.

Wiggins is four for seven. Wallace is three for four from three. And Dory is three for six. By the way, he had not hit one in the finals. Oh yeah, the entire series. Case on Wallace,

yeah. And he started. Yep. So here's something. They lost a, look, they lost the three point line. They lost the free throw line and they turned it over 22 times.

You have no chance of beating the Oklahoma City Thunder. with some ugly turnovers too. Like not every turnover is equal. Like, ugly turnovers. Ugly, ugly picks. Crucial too. And just like dumb ones. Like we try.

How about the four in a row? Four in a row? But you're trying a skip pass from like the left corner to like the right wing against the thunder. Like have you seen a thunder game this year? Like no. You're not skipping. You're not skip passing anything against this team. In the four possessions, you've got to get it minimum eight point.

out of those four possessions. Not only did you get zero, you gave them up on the other end as well. You didn't even get shots off. Four possessions in a row down the stretch where they turned it over. And some of them were forced for sure. The one, you know, when Halliburton tries to throw it over to see Ackham and whatever. But, I mean, they got very aggressive, very aggressive. And they were jumping those passing lanes.

And then Nemhard just forgot what team he was on. That's only thing I can. That's the only thing I can. I will say there was a couple of defensive breakdowns from the Thunder, too. I remember Halliburton to Siakum. He's wide open under the basket. McConnell's wide open under the basket. There's a couple of plays where I was like,

is this the best defense in the league? Because they're leaving guys wide open under the basket. And here's something I've noticed about. By the way, did you say Nemart only had four turnovers? I can't believe that. They were loud. They were loud turnovers. He threw two to them.

Then I remember the one they threw a hundred miles an hour to Matherer and under the basket. Remember the one that like, and Madler's looking at him, like, bro, what do you want me to do with that? Why are you throwing it a hundred miles an hour at me? You want me to catch that and finish that? I swear to God,

I don't know if I've ever heard of a player having four turnovers and I remember all of them so well. All right, you go ahead. So here's something I've noticed about these entire playoffs and especially these finals that's bothering me. I'm going to complain sometimes. I can be complaining.

let me hear I feel like there's no chippiness I think there's no animosity I feel like there's no back and forth there's no guys talking shit to each other there's no pushing there's no go to the we have to review this double technical like this is game five of the finals

you guys should hate each other by now and I felt in the Pistons Nick series there's a little bit of that and after the Bucks Pacers remember Janus went after Mathurin and obviously Halliburton's father there's a little bit of the round one stuff,

but it feels like the Eastern and Western Conference finals had no tension and these NBA finals like everyone's just helping each other up and the helping slap each other in the butt and like being nice to each other. I don't like that. Yeah, there's no more

beef. Part of it is the reactions to like fouls, right? Like the guys don't react to the fouls. So like you kind of need like honestly, our only hope for a tussle would be Mathering.

He's like that. Yeah, he's got that edge. He's the one that was wrestling with, with Jalen Brunton, you know, down on the sidelines. And like he, because, yeah, you could see him. I don't know what he did to Janus, but he said something to Janus. Remember the head grab thing?

That was weird. But like, just, I just don't see it. And again, like, I'm not rooting for violence, but I'm kind of rooting for violence. Yeah, I mean, you just want to see an edge. I like to see teams don't like each other. You know what I mean? Especially when you play the same guys over and over again.

Like it's got to be frustrating. It seems like the closest we have is Nemhard and SGA, but they're like best buddies since like second grade or whatever. Right. They were both like kind of laughing at the jump ball. Yeah, I don't see anything. When they were wrestling around on the ground, right? I don't see anything.

No. I think McConnell, like I think McConnell fouled. I don't know, I think it was eye heart or something. And then they're like giving each other high fives after we're It's like, what is going on here, guys? Like, I want to see it. I want to see a little bit of pushing. I want to see someone get kicked out.

Someone should get ejected from the game. I just want to see it. I don't think they, they just don't have it in them. It doesn't feel like that. It's not the kind of players. It's not the kind of players they are. The Thunder are the youngest team, but they feel like, also like wildly mature. Wildly.

Jalen Williams, when he does interviews, it's like, what are you, 45? Like, what's going on here? I'll say this. I know there was a lot of. lot of talk going into it where it's like, oh, Indiana and Oklahoma City. And then there's the other talk where it's like, hey, this isn't for casuals.

This is for real basketball fans, whatever. And the ratings and all that crap. Like, let's just put all that aside. This has been super entertaining to watch. Great finals. There's been one dud. Where was that? Where was the dud?

Two was a dud. Two was a dud. Two? One was amazing. And two was the response from Oklahoma City. you expect, though. It's the best team and the best defense with their backs against the wall. I won't call it must win because I hate that.

But like it was close enough. It wasn't super entertaining. No. Yeah, too. I'm saying we're four for five right now. Both games in Indiana were fantastic and I expect nothing less on Thursday night. And this one was good tonight. Loved it.

This one was good. I mean, like, look, this is, this is how you win a title. This is like, you. You were pushed backs against the wall. You blew your 14 point lead. They got it to two. And you nutted up and you made it happen. I just,

don't you need more from Halliburn? I need more. Come on. It's just like, he did. What? You mean more than nothing? More than zero baskets.

He had the same amount of field goals as Dave Jacoby. I just felt like, there's a part of me that was just like, man, they really need McConnell's energy right now. I was like, you can't win a championship if you need McConnell's energy right now. You know what I mean? That's how I felt.

And like, Obi-Topping. It's like a topping in McConnell. Like, they're two most important players on the court. And that's not going to beat the thunder. That's a crazy thing. I mean,

Halliburton was legitimately awful. Awful. Zero. But he didn't look hurt. We, I mean, this is the same guy that two weeks ago, every NBA podcast in the country is having,

is he a top 10 players? Is he a superstar? Yeah. Like forget all that I don't know yet zero Like and I remember when we were having the superstar discussion It was like look I don't know about all that But I do know what he did tonight was superstar worthy

When he had superstar worthy game The 30 point triple double against the Knicks yeah Yeah what do you want if that ain't If that ain't what a superstar does Then I don't know what is right like he is capable of this But the crazy thing is he's also capable of this which is an over seven like just all-time stinker. He did nothing.

He did it literally nothing. Wasn't there a part of you? When they made that run with about like nine minutes left? Oh yeah, he's going to show up and have 11 late. There's a part of me. There's like he's going to score 15 right now. He can go nuclear like that. Yes.

And I did think there's a part of me that said like, if this dude who's now like whatever, over five, whatever he was, the time. I was like, I can see him hitting three threes in a row and just pulling up from the logo. You know, I can see it. I can see it. I think we're going to have a great game six. This is, this finals has been fantastic. I've loved

this finals. And I agree with you. I think we're going to get a game seven. I do. And this didn't feel, this still felt like two really good teams playing it out. And tonight, those role players and the stuff, they stepped up, right?

There is no cushion for the Pacers. There is cushion for Oklahoma City. That is a very, very difficult thing to psychologically, you know, the do-or-die feeling, right, is hard to work up unless it is truly do or die. But it is for Indiana, and I bet you're going to get a grand slam effort out of them. And Oklahoma City, no matter how much they try to say the opposite, is going to know, we can win the NBA title in our home building. We're not losing at home. The only time we have is when Aaron Gordon hit a crazy-ass three

and when Tyrese Allberton hit like a 22-footer. I mean, right. But there is a part of me just like, Wallace, Wiggins, and Dort just don't hit those shots in Indiana. In Indiana. They just don't. You know, it's just the way it is. And Tyrese Allberton somehow remember.

how to play basketball. He should, someone should remind him. Someone should remind him how to play basketball because, again, I think the story is going to be,

oh, he was injured. He was hobbled. And I didn't see it. Seemed okay to me. I don't know. I saw him jumping around. I saw him with dribbling the ball

up the court. You know, maybe a couple of pastures. He certainly wasn't hobbling around everywhere. No. It didn't feel like that at, at all. I think he was in the torture chamber.

I don't know, man. We've seen it before. Like, that's the other thing. It's not like, wow, this is wildly out of character. Like, we have seen him do nothing before. He does this, man. I know.

Like, Shea's worst game was 24 points. That's this worst game of the playoffs, 24 points. It wasn't even that bad of a game. But to do this, four points over six from the field, like, what's going on? It's hard to describe how massive. Did you ever? foresee a circumstance where J. La Williams is scoring 40 in a finals game.

I mean, like, even if we, even if we projected him to be the best Robin he can be, right? Which is Shea commands this crazy amount of attention. Right. Even then you're not thinking Jayla Williams or Chad is dropping

40 on you. And he did it. He did it. He did it. Hitting threes. Hitting, hitting tough, tough. And ones from the mid-range. He had one where he was he was dribbling to his right and he got fouled hard and he put it off the backboard

and it was a little bit of luck but man like it's tough buckets over and over still on it still on his rookie contract dude unbelievable unbelievable truth unbelievable where do he get picked he was

it's like a 15 16th yeah like dude he was he was the best basketball player on the floor tonight easily easily and what he brings on the defensive side too was absolutely nuts. And I want a game seven. Don't you want a game seven? Come on. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We want to game seven. We need it. Because I'm not totally ready. Like obviously, look, we've got to cover all the other news. We'll get to the Bain trade in a minute. But I do want to mention. I do want to mention the big news that came out tonight was an article that was posted by my buddy John Cresensky, who has been based out of Minnesota forever. It's the best beat writer in the country. And Sam Amman.

for the athletic, and it is an update on this whole Kevin Durant thing. And because I think by the time we speak next, we could very well have a Durant trade. You have him and his business partner, you know,

having their side of things that is getting put out to the media. We have an understanding that it's kind of the heat, the spurs, and the rockets are the desired landing spots. And then you have Grisinski and Amit come in, They say, basically here's what's happening.

None of those teams have offers that the sons particularly want, right? Like the sons are wanting a return for Kevin Durant, especially given what they gave up for him and that they want to make their, and they don't want their team to be crap. So, you know, they don't want, of course, if you're Miami, you're trying to pair up Kevin Durant with Bamadabio and Tyler Hero, right? Well, I don't want Andrew Wiggins. Like you take Andrew.

I don't want Andrew Williams. You know what I'm saying? And again, and then you look at the others. And, you know, the rockets aren't particularly, I don't think, I don't think they look at it and go, well, you don't have leverage. Like, we have leverage. We're good. Like, we don't have to have him. Right.

And so you don't get to tell us what you want. Like here's our offer. And it's like, oh, that's not good. And then the Miami offer, that's not good. And then the Spurs offer, the Spurs evidently are pretty tepid about it. It's like, all right, if you want to trade them, like, we'll give you this and this. But like, we don't really. And so the whole point of this is what they're hoping is that, and this is on the sun's side too,

is that Kevin Durant changes his mind about Minnesota. Because there's a deal there. Comes from Kaczynski, I didn't see it. Yeah, yeah. And the idea is that if Durant, they're hoping that he will warm up to Minnesota, that this plays out somewhat like the Jimmy Butler thing, where Jimmy Butler originally didn't really want to go to Golden State. But then you look around and they go, all right, well, I don't want to be here.

I do want to play basketball. They will pay me my money. So, okay, obviously. Yeah, they'll give me my extension. So I will go do that after all, right? And the sons, like, there's some kind of. got a framework, whether it's Randall and pairing him up with Booker or it's Gobert, like some kind of framework with that that they would work with that would give them like an

actual player to pair with Devin Booker to make, to be able to get them by. And so now like it felt like, you know, just reading it. It was like, I mean, if the sons are just going to dig their heels in and be like, no, dude, we're not, we want to make our team good. We don't want, we're not trading you just to wherever you want and take, and taking whatever they will give us back. Like, we don't need Andrew Wiggins and Duncan Robinson. Like I'm sorry.

Like, I love you, Kev. Sorry it didn't work out here. I'm not trading you for Andrew Wiggins, Duncan Robinson, and some. Yeah, Wiggins, Beal, and Booker on like. the season ticket holders promo image is not great. So do you like, do you like the idea of Durant in Minnesota? I'll say this.

I don't love the idea of him in San Antonio. Interesting. With Wemby and with Fox. Wembe, Fox, the number two pick, Castle, Vesel, so Han. I just don't know.

Like, I just feel like San Antonio. Doesn't feel like the timeline. I have a good friend of mine named Chris Vernon, who's sort of mapped out that you have to kind of go through these sort of like playoff rounds. You kind of have to earn your scars is what Chris Vernon likes to say. And I feel like San Antonio is truly two or three years away from being an actual contender for a championship. and I think that their current roster as structured is fits with that sort of a timeline

and women yama in particular and I think that a Durant move feels like a win now move and I don't know if that's where they should be I feel that the rock what if you looked up and it was and he said you know what I will go to Minnesota I will play alongside aunt who grew up idolizing me and the sons are able to get some kind of combo of like. But who do you get? Is that Randall and DeVincenzo? Yeah, Randall DeVincenzo.

So keep Gobert. And maybe some of, maybe, or maybe move him, or maybe some of the young guys, right? They've got some of the- To get Nause-Reed.

They've got the Tarrant-Shannins. I mean, obviously, I think they would make this move and try to resign. I think you're going to have to lose Walker, right? Like, just like.

Oh, there, there are losing him in it. Yeah. So it's like, do you like the idea of Durant there alongside and. Interesting. I like Durant on the Rockets.

If I had to pick a place for him to go, if I was in charge, if I was just magically, someone said, Jacoby, what do you want to do with Kevin Durant? Putting him on the Rockets is the most interesting to me for some sort of Jalen Green, Jabari Smith pick thing.

And I don't know why the sons would do that because I'm like, again, if I'm the sons, we got Booker and Green and Javari, who's like a, you know, hypothetically an excellent piece,

but I haven't really seen it happen on the floor. You know what I mean? You ever seen Jabari take over a game? Have you seen him do it? Well, no, he's young and he's going to grow into it. Still. I still, I would bank, I would bank on him being outstanding. I think Javari Parker, I'm sorry,

Jabari Smith is going to be outstanding NBA player. I think he's in that, you know, these I'm waiting to see, Cramed timelines. I'm watching Chet right now, right? Yeah, Chet. Chat, by the way. When he fills out, he is going to be crazy. And look, I'm telling you this.

because they're all the same. And I have watched Jaron Jackson Jr. be questioned and then become the defensive player of the year and be a great player in the NBA. I have watched Evan Mowgli be questioned and then become the defensive player of the year and then become an all-star

and now is going to get more money than God. And I'm saying with Chet and Jabari, again, even if you want to say Jabari isn't on that level, they're all kind of of the same. ilk and I think you're going to look up in a couple years and Jabari Smith is an unbelievable defender

an energy guy who can also knock down 3s like he is he's just he's still a kid man he's stay when he fills out he's going to be a problem in the NBA I believe that I think it's worth mentioning and again I'm a negative

guy I've got like a dark a dark dark dark dark dark dark heart um chet is being uh massed a little bit by the brilliance of SGA and J. Dubb. Tonight, he has these flashes.

If you were like, look at his made baskets, he's like, God, that guy's amazing. The mixtape is great. Yeah, the mixtape is so good. He's four for 15. Right. Like, it's like, again, again, you're going to look up and he's going to be 30 pounds heavier

at a couple of years and he is going to be a bitch to deal with. But what was it? I think it was game three. It was game three or game four where he had like 12 points in the first quarter and I was just like oh this is the Chet game and they just disappears. I think it was game three. He disappears. Like he's young and he's like

the potential is there. The potential is there and the ball handling. Sometimes you see him like crossover twice and you know spin for a layup. You're like God, this guy is going to be unstoppable. But like right now in the NBA finals Chet has not played a full 48 minute game where I've walked away

and been like man he's that guy. I haven't seen it. Have you seen it? Not not yet. Back to the back to the Durant thing. Well, look, by the way, and Chad did have like, whatever, 15 rebounds in the last game. Like, that's...

I'm not saying he's worthless. I'm just like, you know... He has gotten in the mix. On the Durant front, it's going to be... Watching this play out is going to be super fascinating because this is like an aged star who's still very good

that wants to be able to pick his spot like he's. not an aged star who is looking for a two-year extension at a very high rate of money. And so, and we're going to see what Phoenix does with it because this is not dealing with somebody in their property. Like, does Phoenix say to hell with it, we are getting the best return, Kevin? Thank you. What is Phoenix's motivation to sort of like put him in a destination where he wants to be? because I've heard Rich Kleinman's name

way too many times in the past 10 days about this. You know what I mean? Like every time Shams doesn't update Shams doesn't update about the situation, he mentions Rich Climman. And I'm like,

so you explain to me, why is Phoenix, quote, working with Rich Kleinman to get him to a desired destination? It's reputational around the league for other players? Well,

maybe, but I mean, it might be his business partner, but, unlike Rich Paul, he can't control these teams. Like, Rich Paul could control it where he wants his guys to go. Because he can go, oh, yeah, well, this and this and this. Like, you mean, he can, he can make sure stuff takes place, right?

I don't know if you saw, but recently, I think it was patient Stoyakovich. Did you see that? He was on a show. He was on a podcast. And he went off about it. about how, oh yeah, that Deerrin Fox, he said not only did he, you know, blackmail people to make sure that he, you know, once Deeran signed with Rich that that he got him to San Antonio and they made sure that Zach Levine was the return that they got from Chicago and that, I mean, it was, it was all so wild. I was like, wow. Like, I mean, there was, you know, there's a guy that was out there that was like, you know, halfway making excuses for the way it played out with Sacramento, but. halfway attempting to explain like this is the way this stuff works. And it's like because if you want this to happen, then this needs to happen.

And like there's a lot of, they do have a lot of power to be able to do right by their of players. That's what I'm saying. They have a lot of power to do right by their players. You make any decision you want to about that. As far as I know, there's no Kevin Durant LLC that has like a whole stockyard of players. Exactly. Yeah.

I don't think. I don't think the boardroom has a, you know, a few dozen, a few dozen huge players. You guys are podcasters. Why would, why would Phoenix take less from team A than they can get from team B to help Kevin Drain? Right. Why? I don't understand the motivation.

Because that's the way this stuff has gone. Well, no, no, no. It, here's the reason. Life is leverage. And what happens is they go out to these teams. That's why this whole Minnesota thing is happening, right? They go out to the team and they say, fine, go ahead, but we're not signing there. That's why this whole story of him warming up there is.

That's the leverage. It's not the leverage he has on Phoenix. It's the leverage that he has with the other team to say, you're going to give up, blank, blank, blank, and I'm not staying there. No, it's a Kauai thing. An unhappy Kevin Durant we've seen before, and that can, you know, that can, that can ruin your whole entire season. Your whole entire season. Jimmy Butler just kept leaking where he didn't want to go.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And so that's their leverage is just to say, if they're in that, you don't have leverage if you're in some kind of long contract. But if you're in a short contract where it's like, okay, then you're doing this for a one-year rental to get somebody that doesn't even want to be there. James Hardin in Houston. Right. Jimmy Butler in my aim. Right.

So I think by Thursday we'll probably have a trade, and I hope it's to the Rockets. I don't understand the heat. I don't see, like, I don't get it. I don't get that. Wiggins and who? Jaime Hakez? No, it's Duncan, Duncan Robinson, bro. And Duncan Robinson, like, if I'm Phoenix, like, oh, cool.

We traded Kevin Durant for Andrew Wiggins and Duncan Robinson. Cap space to free us up to that we're not, you know, fifth, apron till the end of time. Yeah, well, so, so sorry for not believing in the Sun's long-term decision-making. Not a, not a huge, not a huge believer in the Sun's

sort of like long term front office decision-making. You may have heard. The team in Memphis, Tennessee has the 2006 Phoenix Sun's first round pick, which might look pretty good. A hell of an ass set that they got. So, Bruno, people want to hear. People want to hear. It looks

from the outside looking in like Memphis maybe sort of made this decision with an eye on the future, not the present. The future being next year? No, no, beyond.

Oh, oh, is it going forward? Yeah, it seems like the Memphis Oh, I've listened to it all. It seems like the Memphis Grizzies are a worst basketball team than they were two days ago. That is without question true. Okay.

Yep. As a grizzy guy, let the people know what you think. I think that this was, you have three players that are on max level contracts, right? Jared Jackson Jr. is going to get a new contract. John Morant will be up for extension when his extension comes up. You signed Desmond Bain to $200 million contract, right? Desmond Bain has only played one of those years. his contract goes 36, 39, 42, 45.

That's what's left. That's palatable, to be honest with you, because I love Disney and Bean. That's palatable. Oh, you know what? All it took, frankly, all it took for everybody to love Desmond Bain and for everybody to talk about Desmond Bain was him to be traded for Memphis. Because I've been here for five straight years and no one has given a shit. about Desmond Bain in the national media.

I disagree. I disagree. He got traded. Everybody loved Desmond Bain. No, because there was the whole, no, I'll explain. No, no, no, there's the whole, like, the record without John Morant. That has been a storyline about the Grizzlies is without John Morant, they still stay afloat. Without John Morant, they're still successful.

And a lot of that has to do with Desmond Bay. So when, oh, so like earlier this year, because we can go find the tape, when I talked about them having three guys, and you said, three. Three. Well, yeah. He said a big three. He said big three. Like it was,

you know, LeBron, Wade and Bosch. Oh, okay. So he's not, so he's not that girl. No.

Okay. Okay. I was just making sure. No, I mean, look, his, I love Desmond Bain.

Desmond Bain's a fantastic player. Desmond Bain, a lot like the Lillard McCollum thing, you're always going to have an issue there where it's like, where you got two smaller cards, okay? Mm-hmm. If you want to tell me that the Grizzlies should not build a

John Morant. That's a whole other conversation that we can, that me and anybody else can disagree on, or him and Jared Jackson, Jr. But I will just tell you this, because everybody has this incredibly short memory. They have had Jared Jackson and John Morant,

and it doesn't be alike. I've had them, and they were the number two seed in the Western Conference, and they went 56 games. And then they turned around, then they were the number two seed in the Western Conference, and they won 51 games. And then this past year,

then two years ago, the whole team got injured and that season went to hell. Like nobody even played, right? Nobody played. Then this past year, they're the number two seed until, what, mid-February, and then they ended up in the eight spot after the season ends catastrophically and they end up firing their coach, okay? This whole like, oh, well, why would they be closer to blowing it up

or whatever this fantasy that people have, rather than getting better. Do you know how many wins separated the three-seed Lakers and the Memphis Grizzlies? Three. Two. Two. Two wins. Two.

So the difference between being the three-seed and the eight-seed, the three-seed who I suppose is competing for championships, right? because they got Luca and the eighth seed and nobody likes anybody on the Grizzlies, right? They don't like John Morant. They don't like Jared Jackson. They don't care about any of the other guys. They wouldn't know Jaylon Wells or. Everybody loves you.

Everybody loves you. Okay. They wouldn't know any of these guys. Just explain to me how they've won if all of these guys aren't good and the coach isn't good. How? How are they two games out of the three seat? When Jaron Jackson Jr. has played, they have won almost 60% of their games. When John Moran has played, they have won almost 60% of their games.

They played last season. John Moran played 50 games, 50. They got nothing out of Marcus Smart, literally negative value out of Marcus Smart, who was supposed to be the starting small forward. They had their star point guard. played 50 games. They had nothing out of Marcus Smart, and they started the 39th pick in the draft and the ninth pick in the draft, and they had two less wins than the three C.

In their right mind would go the other direction. So when you have the opportunity to add four picks, a pick swap, and two veteran like rotation level players who both have contracts that are infinitely tradable, along with owning all of your own first round picks, and you don't think the ideal fit next to John Morant and Jaron and Jaron Jackson is the Desmond Bain archetype, why on earth would you not make that deal? Now, if they don't make big deals to get better, if we look up and we say, you know what, they got rid of Desmond Bain and they didn't add stuff to make them better.

By all means, I'll kill them. Everybody should kill them. But they are trying to remake this team around, again, if you want to disagree that you shouldn't build out around John Morant and around Jared Jackson. But when people talk about John Morant about like, they talk like he's Zion, like he hasn't won anything. He's in 50-point playoff games. They've gone to the playoffs every year. He's healthy. Every year. Like, what are we talking about? Why would they? Why are you so defensive about this? Because I mean, because I have to listen to this bullshit and like Bill's, Bill's podcast with Rosillo,

he's like, I just, I just went to Indiana and Oklahoma City. And Desmond Bain, that's a kind of guy that can play 35 minutes in that. Bro, you could have watched. Oklahoma City play Memphis. Desmond Bain couldn't get a shot off. He couldn't. I saw him play Oklahoma City. In fact, anybody could have. It happened a month ago. He was 20 for 70 and he was seven for 32 from three. He couldn't dribble against them. He couldn't shoot against them. He couldn't do anything. And so that's why I tell you. The second Desmond Bain takes off of Memphis Jersey, all of a sudden, he's king of the world. I love Desmond Bain, but stop it already.

Nobody likes them until, right? And this happens with everything that happens when it comes to small markets. That's just true. I promise you, if whoever, name the team, if somebody traded for Reed Shepard, people would say, oh, my God, value. Look at what they just got. God, they just got three, they just got the third pick in the draft. The guy hasn't even shown what he can do yet. Houston's crazy for getting rid of him.

But if another team got him, it's like, oh, my God, look, why the Reed Shepherd? I mean, he's been the biggest bust. He's the only of the rookies that hasn't turned into anything. And that's just the way this stuff goes. Anytime a team leaves a team that's not on TV a bunch. But that one got, that one really got me. So the whole, like, the whole Desmond Bain could play against Oklahoma City. Okay. I literally just lived it. I just lived it. So here's the part I want to ask you about

because I follow the Knicks accounts and it's like, oh, the Knicks want to pair Jared Jackson Jr. with Carl Anthony Towns. Oh my God. I'm like what? I'm sure they do. I'm just like what? And then I'm seeing like jaw fake trades. So it feels like the reaction to this move is Memphis is rebuilding and clearing house. Bro, you again, if they don't use the assets that they have attained in order to make themselves a better team? Totally fair.

But I'm telling you, they are acquiring these assets to make themselves a better team. For what? So that they can go, so they can build out around. Look, you know the archetype that they have been looking for.

Obviously, they just attained called Well Pope, right? But you know what they, the kind of archetype they've been looking for. They have tried to get OGN and Obie. They've tried to get McKell, bridges. They have tried to get Doreen, Finney Smith. They have tried to get these type of players. DFS was one this of guy. The ones, well, he's a free agent now. The ones you're seeing with

Indiana, the ones you're seeing with Oklahoma City, like you know the teams that you're going to have to be dealing with. And you know the type of basketball that you've got to be dealing with. I feel like Jailen Wells is that guy. If any team in the league traded a non-all-star player for Four first round picks, a pick swap, and two rotation-level players. You can't even do this on 2K. Go try to trade Desmond Bain on 2K for that. You can't do it. Well, the Nets did it last year with Bridges.

And what did people do? All year. God, that was a lot to give up for Backel Bridges. I think Desmond Bain is going to be great with Orlando. I also think he's perfect and a perfect fit with Orlando. though. And I love Desmond Bain and I will root for Desmond Bain forever. But that return is unbelievable. It is an unbelievable return for Desmond Bain.

Come on, bro. Four first round picks, a pick swath. Okay, four first round picks, but where are those picks going to be? Phoenix's pick next year might be the number one pick in the draft. It might. It might. And all I'll say is, you never know on these picks. That's the thing is picks are, like, picks aren't players. You never know. Look, do you know, hey, I just mentioned to you that Sacramento, or I'm sorry, that Memphis was the number two seed two years ago, right?

Yeah. Number two seed. So how quickly things change. You know who the three seed was? Sacramento. How quickly things change. I got it, right? Orlando's here to stay.

Orlando's going to be awesome forever. Oh, yeah. We just four more oblique injuries next year. Who knows? I just understand the way this stuff goes. But, I mean, that was a good trade for Memphis. And immediately, and can we also just say this? Can you stop everybody with the,

or are they just going to blow it up? You're just going to blow it up. Even my old buddy KOC, you know, because he just wants attention. But it, who thinks it's a good method of operation to blow it up? All of these teams just got an, absolute. I don't even want to say. Let's just say, do you think that it was fun for Utah on draft night?

Do you think it was fun for the 20-win New Orleans Pelicans on draft night? Like, who thinks that's the way that you need to remake your team now? Wake up! We just watch the draft. Cooper Flagg's about to be playing in Dallas, for God's sake. Dylan Harper's going to be playing at San Antonio. Like, oh, and now they're just going to. They traded DeVane.

So now they probably trade Morant. They'll probably trade Jackson. Yeah, and they should probably try to lose. Probably try to win 10 games next year. Yeah. Yeah. So the idea that you're either like in the NBA finals or you should literally not try to win games

and there's no middle ground, especially for a small market team is kind of silly to me because as you mentioned, there's two games that separated the three seat and eight seat in the Western Conference. I mean, look, you only because of me, but. you had to go through the torture. And this probably cost Taylor Jenkins his job, who might very well be the new Knicks coach. He's the only person that's going to interview from the job.

And he's the only person they haven't asked yet. I hired Tracy Morgan. Oh, trust me. Taylor Jenkins is going to be the greatest coach ever when New York hires him. Look, if you play in Pimpis, nobody cares. If you move, Deservain is now. Nick's fans are going to be so happy about Jenkins because they're going to think he's black. They're going to be like, oh, got a black head coach.

Anyways, here's what I'll say. You look back at these, what probably cost of his job. They lost three straight home games. Like one of them was Atlanta. One of them was to your next. Oh, yeah. In overtime. In overtime on Saturday or Sunday.

They lost three straight games at home on the last shot of the game. Yes, of course. It was a Saturday, like it was a Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It was like a four-day stretch. It was a Friday, Sunday Monday, if I remember correctly. Dice of Daniels ripped it through it ahead of Carus Leverd. Right. So these three games probably cost them his job.

Three games in a row, literally they lost on the last shot of the game at home. Once in the next. In overtime. Crazy circumstances. Like truly crazy circumstances, all three of them. If they, let's just say the ball bounces, it goes out. on those three games. They would have been the three seat

in the Western Conference. And then what? Verno. Ferno, you can't do this. It's just, they're not the heat. They're not the heat. And these are the calves. Like, there's not that golf

that is going on in the Western Conference. Was it competitive against the Thunder in the playoffs? No, were the Lakers competitive against the wolves? No. Okay, because they were the three C. So you tell me, how many games of the wolves win against Oklahoma City? What do you expect? How many?

How many games did the wolves win against Oklahoma City? They won one game. One game. Yeah. Well, you guys were up at halftime in game three. 27 when John Moran got clipped out of the air. 27. It looked great.

Does anybody else have him down 27? Maybe Denver. It looked great in that first half. Yeah. What do you expect from KCP? Like, oh. I mean, a guy. Two years ago, KCP was one of an extremely valuable three and D guys.

He's one of very, you know what? I saw this thing the other day. And you know how much you love these stats that where everybody goes, one of these things is not like the other. And it was one of those. But it was like these are the current players in the NBA that have started on two different NBA title teams. And it was like, you know, LeBron and Kyrie.

No, no, no. But CCP's on there because he won in L.A. And he won in Denver. I do think that the offense for Orlando was absolutely pitiful. And I do think that his job is to knock down corner threes. And if there's anything John Morant does, he will generate wide open corner threes. And you just have to be able to hit him. And until this past year, he has always hit those at a very good rate.

And then he's got to guard the other team's best player. Like, that's what I expect if he's on the team. And I also expect he's a veteran who's won something, which is exactly what that locker room needs. It's what Marcus Smart was supposed to be. You know? And then I don't know. Again, I think I'll tell you this.

I don't think Memphis is close to Dunn, not even close. not even close. I think they are going to remake that roster around John Morant and Sharon Jackson, Jr. Does you want to argue that's foolishness? That's fine. No, as they should, as they should. But they will try to remake the roster around them,

and then we'll look, let's look at the end of this offseason or let's even look, you know, maybe by draft night. I think being bad on purpose is not a good strategy from the Memphis Christens. It's not. It's just silly. They would never do that.

It's just silly. It's just silly. And I'm excited for them. You know what I mean? They're, there's Chicago Bulls at the Western Conference. It'll be great.

It'll be great. Being the playing, being the plane again, it'll be awesome. Yeah. I don't know how they win when nobody likes anybody on their team. Nobody likes John.

Nobody likes Jared. Nobody likes... Why does nobody... See, now you're just making up narratives that don't exist. Who doesn't like Jaron Jackson, Jr.?, who doesn't like Jha? No, don't think they're that good,

that's what I'm saying. they're great. Nobody thinks these guys are that. Go look at any list. I love Jalen Wells. That's who I love. Oh, you love Jaylon Wells. I thought they missed him a lot, actually.

I thought that was a huge, huge, huge problem for them. They would have beat the Thunder. They would have swept him. They would have swept the Thunder. I will say this. I do think that that bang trade, and I think whatever is about to have with Durant

is I buy that there's going to be radical change in rosters around, of course, around the NBA. it very well could kick off like, you know, look, we only have a week and a half until the draft. I think these next two weeks are going to be absolutely insane. I think they're really fun. And I also think it's fun for you because the sons are going to end up losing, quote, unquote, losing the Kevin Durant trade. And you're going to have that pick in 2027.

26. Next year. Oh, it's next year? Yeah. Oh, God. So you're going to get to watch the Grizzlies and then the late game, you get to root against the sun. It'll be so much fun. By the way,

they also the 16th pick in this year's track, which is in a week and a half. Is that soon? Week and a half. I got to do some research. We'll be back Thursday. Thursday night after game six. We both think Pacers are going to win?

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, it'll either be a coronation or we'll be getting to talk about game six and then leading into game seven. It should be fun. Thank you to our executive producer, Jesse Lopez, as always. Thanks to our video.

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