The Mismatch - The Thunder Forecast With Tyler Parker and Andrew Schlecht | The Void

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

Hey it’s Kevin, on today’s podcast I spoke with The Ringer’s Tyler Parker—an OKC mega-fan—and Andrew Schlect, who covers the Thunder for The Athletic. We’re diving deep into OKC’s upcoming offseason because of the stockpile of draft picks they have. The Thunder have four top-34 picks (2, 12, 30, 34). We get into that and much more on today’s episode. Here are the show notes: (02:53) - On Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (09:55) - Disappointment that SGA and Josh Giddey didn’t play many minutes together (16:54) - If you had your choice of Chet Holmgren, Jabari Smith Jr., or Paolo Banchero, who would you choose for the Thunder? (30:53) - On the possibility of trading down (41:07) - Which other prospects could they be targeting? (46:42) - Future outlook for the franchise Host: Kevin O'Connor Guests: Tyler Parker and Andrew Schlecht Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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NBA show's Spotify page and take a listen. There's so much to dive into. And while you're there, just go ahead and give us a follow too. Listen to the void. Today we have a special episode focusing on the NBA draft in the Oklahoma City Thunder because we did a full NBA finals preview on Tuesday's episode of the mismatch. So to talk about OKC and the draft I brought on my friend from the ringer, Tyler Parker, as well as a new friend, Andrew Schleck from The Athletic. How's it going, guys?

What's up, buddy? Thanks for having this, KOC. Yeah, man. This is, I'm very excited about this. I listen to the pot all the time. It's very, it's an honor to be here. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you, Tyler.

I appreciated that. I wanted to talk O'KC today because, you know, of course, OKC has the number two pick in the draft. They also have the 12th pick in the draft. They have two other first, one other first round pick as well as the 34th pick in the second round. So four picks in the top 34. They have more draft capital than anybody else right now.

And they have kind of one of the most intriguing young teams in the league with SGA, Josh Giddy. We see the importance right now in the NBA playoffs that we've been watching. about having really no weaklings in your defense, having size and versatility. And with OKC, granted they're young, granted they're bad, granted they have a top pick, at least in the wins column this past season. I'm still incredibly intrigued by their long-term potential with what they could do with the four picks that they have in this year's draft.

So, Andrew, just to kind of start off, I guess, let's talk about where OKC developed, what they developed into last year and where they're going. Just to start off with Shig Gillis Alexander. He had another good season, 24.5 points per game. His efficiency was way down than what it was the season prior, the 2021 season with Oklahoma City. What's your overall assessment of Gilles, Alexander's development with what we saw this past year?

Yeah, the shooting definitely took a hit in the first part of the season, and that was a little bit of a concern, but he was getting worse shots this year. I mean, he's getting more double teams. I mean, the other teams were focusing on him totally, because you throw Josh Gidea out there, and while he's a tremendous passer, you don't have to worry about him on the perimeter at all.

Then the second best score on the team is Lou Dort. He was great this year, average 17 points per game. Literally nobody cared if he shot the basketball. And so to have Shea out there creating stuff, it was tough for him. But one thing that we learned about him is like, the left hand was a little bit of a question, like, is he going to be able to drive and finish left?

it looks easy for him now. That's one thing that he definitely developed. And then you look at the 13 games after the All-Star break, he was averaging 35 and 7 on 39% from 3. During that stretch, it didn't matter. Most of that stretch was without Josh Giddy, all but one of those games was without Josh Giddy, and he could do whatever he wanted.

And so I think he's blossoming into the player that they would have hoped he could be, and if they can get some like real spacing, which they could acquire that at 2 and at 12 in this next draft, I think it could unlock something in him because he led the league in drives once again. He's going to be a tremendous offensive player. And the dude just has one of the most vibrant personalities in the NBA.

I think that's something people don't know. I think people watch him play. They see he's on this crap OKC team. They think, oh, this guy, he's got to be miserable, right? I mean, he walks into exit interviews, to talk about this wretched season, and he's just like, good morning, good morning, everybody. Like, who is that?

Is that ThunderPR bringing donuts in behind me? Like, no, it's Shea. He's just a delightful person. And I, you know, if you're a Thunder fan, you have to be really excited that he's on the team. He seems like somebody that gives you hope, right, Tyler? Oh, absolutely. I mean, that's the thing that has made this rebuild

far more palatable from day one, was just like Shea's existence on the roster, right? You don't feel like you're starting at zero. You feel like you're starting with something, you know, substantial that can turn into something even more substantial. I mean, Andrew's talking about those last 13 games. I mean, he was getting downhill whenever he wanted to, and that's been the case for the last two years, really,

but just especially then whenever his shots right, that unlocks so much more for him going to the rim, and he's already dangerous there. Like Andrew's saying, with the left, he's better. But he's just added so much craft just in general, like in the lane with movement, you know, multiple euros into floaters with the offhand and things like that that, that, you know, look weirdly repeatable. You know what I mean?

They don't look like luck, right? And he's got a little bit of Kyrie and him in these, like, kind of acrobatic offhand finishes and things like that, double clutches stuff. You know, not your traditionally like huge dude, but he can take such big strides. And he's always on balance. And so, yeah, whenever his shots right, it just makes him all that much more. Devastating to deal with. Like Andrew was saying, though, I mean, you know, at times last year, you're looking at

a floor that's got, you know, Darius Basley on it, who especially earlier in the year, can't hit the ocean. You've got Derek Fabers, who's never been a shooter. You've got Lou Dort, who, like, last year and the year before that, weirdly, he's, like, just smoking from the corners. He was like 44% from the corners last year, 46, I think, the year before that. But anywhere else on the perimeter, and it's a big-time guessing game, right? And then you got Giddy. There's, you know, for big time extended stretches. Shea is seeing every eye on the defense caring solely about him. You know, oftentimes, you know, he's like he's seeing two bodies on the ball, right?

But he's also got guys cheating up at the nail all the time. Like he's dealing with a lot. And I think it'll help him going forward. I think as he gets more space, it's going to be that thing where he's just sort of realizing like, oh, I didn't, I didn't know how bad I had. it. You know what I mean? Does that play into like the left hand improving? You know, because both of you guys mentioned how that got better for him.

He was driving at tops of the league last year, you know, and then the 21-22 season, tops of the league again and drives per game. But like what you guys are both describing with a lack of spacing, it seems like Andrew, like it kind of forced him. Like, hey, you know, I can be even better, more efficient on these drives to the room by expanding what I'm doing. Without a doubt, like he's a guy that doesn't make excuses about like, oh, I can't do this because nobody's there. He's just like, I'm just going to get better. He has supreme belief that he's going to be one of the best players in the NBA.

And he continues to prove, like, through off-season and the work that he puts in, and just the way the organization feels about him, you know, I think some people have questioned whether he would be a guy that could be on the trading block because he is entering his second contract. And, you know, Thunder want to stay young. They want to rebuild slowly. But I would, I'd be very, very surprised if they're even having discussion. about him right now. I think they think of him as one of the pieces moving forward.

And what he was able to do this year really solidified that. Now, there were those rumors during the 21 draft about potentially moving him to get Cade Cunningham, who of course went to the Detroit. At this point, you know, you get SGA, only 23 years old. He'll turn 24 before next season in July, still super young, just starting out his contract. You mentioned that closed to the season for the last 3rd. games when he averaged 30.4 points, 7.3 assists, 5.8 rebounds, nearly 40% from three. I mean, the dude was absolutely crazy. But I remember, I remember Mark Dagnall said around the time of the deadline, you know, Giddy's going to be the guy kind of running the show the rest of the way,

but then he got hurt because, because fired of that, Giddy for like the last 15, 20 games was like a nightly triple double. But SGA wasn't playing at that time. And Giddy was really starting to figure out the way he can get to the basket and create his spots from mid-range and create for others. So we didn't see those guys dominate together. Like, Tyler, do you see those guys? Like, is it sort of disappointing we didn't see that at all? Or like, how do you feel about the fact that like the giddy SGA fit was never A-plus at the same time? I think it is disappointing that we didn't get to see them together more, you know, late in the year,

whenever, you know, Shea was really right. And, you know, before Giddy got shut down, you know, I think three of his last four games, he had had triple doubles. You know what I mean? Like he was really, really, I mean, the, you know, fillet of that, right, was the MSG game where, you know, him and Trey just go bonkers, right? 28 points, 12 assists, 11 rebounds. That was a crazy game.

Super fun. Like crazy shop. making from Trey and just like giddy doing all of his whatever like if somebody was like what can he do you would need to show them anything other than that game like he gave you all of the all the juice right um i i think that the fit hinges and you know not entirely on shay's shot but you know how you feel about it depends on how real you think his shooting was was early in the year last season. I think that, like, just based off of looking at past performance, you know, that's the

last year is the exception, not the rule, right? Like, that was, I think it was this special scenario with, like, what we talked about, where he's just dealing with a lot more attention with a lot less, you know, offensive firepower around him, particularly that can shoot. And yeah, I think there was just a, you know, sort of an extended adjustment period for him there. If it's me personally, I think it will work because I think I'm a person that thinks shake and shoot. And I think that as long as that can happen, particularly because of Giddy's size, I think it can work. it, I'm still super worried about Giddy's shot.

Okay, so yeah, in the calendar, in the 2022 calendar year before he got shut down, he was not shooting the ball well, but he was making 77% of his free throws. And so if you're like a person who's trying to feel good about his shot, that's what you hang your hat on, right? Like, that's what you go to. And it wasn't on some crazy number of attempts, right? Like, he needs to be able to get more pressure going to the room. needs to be able to use his strength and his size to be able to get downhill a little bit more,

be a little more effective there. That can, you know, negate some of the shooting issues that he has if he can, you know, finish down there. But that he was shooting it decently for a decent chunk of time. That's the thing, like the OKC Homer and me who wants Giddy to be there for 15 years and, you know, be an all-star. Like, that's what I'm, that's what I'm hoping for. But he's also changing his shot, supposedly, this offseason. And that's always like a thing that is scary to hear. So I'm optimistic, but certainly understand someone being like, I don't know, I'm not sure.

Yeah, I think it's all about the pieces around those two, honestly. Like, they both have tremendous talent. They had one of the worst supporting casts around them. It was like a mystery box of players. Like, the Thunder didn't even know what they had in these guys, honestly. Like, they're just throwing guys out there, just trying stuff. And you have two facilitators. You have two guys that operate well on ball with zero guys that have gravity outside of those two.

And to me, it's why it was so important for them to get the two pick. And even this 12th pick are going to be really important to like what is going to happen with this lender team. Because to me, it's all about what kind of weapons can you put around those two. Because they're going to unlock a lot of stuff for whoever they get, whether that's Chet or Jabari or Apollo or whoever else they're able to. get at 12. It's going to make that process a little bit easier for them. And like to me, the giddy stuff, I think will work itself out. That dude is insanely competitive. He wants to win so badly and wants to improve his game in whatever way he can. And he's not afraid. You know, he wasn't good from three, but he's not afraid. Yeah, he's not, he's, he didn't seem like the type of guy that

was going to to back down, which was very, you know, encouraging to see. I'm with, I'm with, I'm, I'm with you for sure. They have tough players, you know? I think SGA personality-wise, Giddy is well. Those guys are competitors. It's just like when you're building a roster together, the weaknesses for them are respectively in their own ways. As giddy is a shooter.

SGA is a shooter. What level is he really? Like we've seen SGA what he is when he's shooting 40 plus percent from three. We've seen stretches and moments from Giddy in time where it's like, oh yeah, the mid-range is falling. He's hitting his three. Like that Knicks game, you mentioned, where it was like, oh, this is what it could be like in five years when he's a more consistent

shooter and these nights happen more regularly, even if he's never a 40 plus percent guy over a full season. If he's 36, 37 percent at six foot eight with his, you know, magical playmaking ability and his versatility and the fact you can plug him into different positions and different types of sets, dribble handoffs, top of the key, you can use them as a screener and have a role. Like, there's so much you can do with Giddy. that's where with this OKC roster, you're right, it's so exciting with them being at number two

because with Jabari Smith out of Auburn, the guy that current reports say is the primary target for Orlando at number one, or whether it's Chet Holmgren, the big Santa Ana-Gonzagga, shot blocker, led the college basketball and blocks per game last year as a freshman,

or whether it's Paolo Bancaro, who's more of a score out of Duke, it's pretty easy to see all three of those guys fitting in O'KKKK because of the playmaking and the types of style of play that Giddy and SGA bring. With that said, though, we all have our favorites. So at the number two pick, let's just keep all three on the table and forget about Orlando at number one. Because being totally honest with you, when it comes to draft stuff, it's hard to know what to believe.

Because I've heard a lot of the same of what everybody said, that Jabari Smith is the guy for Orlando. but how much of that is just, you know, speaking hypothetically, how much of that is Orlando trying to create leverage because they know OKC or Houston or some other team wants him? And so they're making it seem like they want him at number one, even though they actually want Chad or Paolo or whoever else. So I don't really put too much into anything that I hear about what could be happening at number one with a month ago.

So let's just assume Jabari, Chet, and Paolo are all options for OKC, whether that's at two or whether that's a try. trade up to one. Let's just assume they can choose who they want. Sure. Andrew, who is your preference for Oklahoma City? Give me Chad Holmgren, baby. I think you've got to keep it weird, number one. Because this team is already weird, and the weirdest direction to go is obviously Chad Holmgren. Defensively, he fits in so perfectly. I mean, they need a

rim protector. They need a guy that can provide defense in the middle. I mean, they did well last year, surprisingly defending guys like Yokic is because their team defense was on a string. And that's a credit to Mark and his team because the defensive talent, there was like two guys that you felt pretty good about. And the rest, you're like, I don't know how they're going to make this work. And they did during stretches. They were like a top half of the league defense, you know, at points in the season last year. And that's just like, that's Mark. But the stuff that Chet can do offensively, too, we're talking about like if he's within five feet of the basket and he catches the ball, he's going to finish.

He loves to dunk the ball. I think he will shoot it from three. I think he will demand gravity on the perimeter and in the paint, which is what the thunder need. You know, they need somebody that the defense cares about. And to me, he's kind of like this ultimate upside play finisher, defender, weirdo that the thunder need. Do you agree with that, Tyler? All my belongings on the table, yeah, I think I do. It changes hourly, honestly, and I still have a big-time soft spot for Paolo.

Just because I think that, you know, off the dribble shot creation is just about the most important offensive skill you can have in the playoffs at this point. And somebody that can do that at that size, you know, they're not going to come into the league every year. And I think that Palo, just within an NBA offense, with, you know, the spacing that that, you know, automatically can provide somebody. Yeah, I just, I, it's, it's hard to not like let that take over my like, oh, I really want that. You know what I mean? I just, I do get worried about the defense. It, you remember like when Ben Simmons was at LSU and everybody was just sort of like, is this guy, does this guy going to try?

And then he got to the league and he's like one of the best defenders in the league. Is there any change? I know he doesn't have, I know, I know, I know Palo isn't like, like, laterally side to side, right? Like, he's not what Simmons is. And he's not as, you know, maybe like, you know, explosive, a, a leap. or something like that, right? But is there anything to just like he was in college and he wasn't trying? Like, is there anything to just, and then he will when he's in the league?

I think there's an element of that. I mean, like you said, he's not necessarily like the elite athlete, you know, that Ben Simmons was at LSU, which is why it made it so disappointing why Simmons wasn't trying. It's like this guy gave up on his team. With Ben Carrow, I think we saw like little glimmers of his potential defensive versatility. And I think with him, I mean, it's interesting. Like, after his year at Duke, the feedback is, well, how much does he care? Blah, blah, blah, all this and that.

But this is a guy who, you know, when he was in high school, he's been making an investment for years, working with trainers to improve athletically. Like, everything I've heard is that he is someone who bust his ass. Like, he works with this guy, Michael Knight up there in Washington where he's from. And, like, that's all, like, this kind of, like, not just, you know, dribble, dribble, you know, your trainer's rebounding for you, but, like, working on your body and your hip flexibility and your movement. He's made that investment over the years when a high schooler, not all high schoolers are doing that, you know?

I mean, you don't develop that like off-the-bounce kind of package that he's got without being like a serious worker. Like you're in the gym all the time to get something, to get that kind of game. 100%. I mean, I think with Ben Carroll, I mean, I haven't ranked first on my big board at the current moment. You know, I was still collecting, you know, intel on all that over the next month.

We'll see if that changes. It's close between them, which is what makes the top of this draft so fascinating. but like Andrew you're right with Chet the defensive fit you know what he provides is kind of like a someone someone compared him to a weird buddy Al Horford recently to me kind of like somebody who like he brings that defense right but he also he's not a starter for your offense but he's a finisher he can catch you know catch and shoot threes he can attack off the bounds make the right pass and and that's the area where I think Holmgren like his game at Gonzaga they asked him to make entry passes to drew Timmy over and over and over again.

He had no opportunities to create and generate offense, bringing the ball up the floor, initiating dribble handoff actions, short role playmaking, just like he did in high school. Like, we saw him show so much more as a pastor in high school. So, like, it works with him. It was pretty nuts going back and looking at Chet's, like, his box scores, you know,

even later in the year, just not getting a ton of shots. And, I mean, you know, Definitely deferring to Timmy and them hard down the stretch. Timmy's a great college player. I don't know what it'll be like in the league, you know. But, you know, I get a freshman kind of needing to, especially with a dude who's been so successful in college as Tim. Like I get him not, I get Chet not being like, hey, get out of the way.

You know what I mean? But, you know, when it's like against Memphis, even with the foul trouble, like, you know, whatever it was, seven shots. But then I keep thinking about the Evan Mobley stuff, right? Or as like how overplayed did that wind up being, all that sort of stuff? And if he is just the lone big on the floor with a lot more space, you know, who's to say he couldn't, you know, face up and, you know, eat the way Timmy could in the post. So it's the thing that I keep coming back to with that, I think it was giving me. I saw like it was like a,

it was like the only player in NCAA history to average 14, nine boards and three blocks while shooting over 70% from two and 40% from three. And he like, wow, that was like going into the tournament, I think, those stats. And he wound up a little below 40. But like, I don't know. That's like, it's, it's,

especially with the way the league is now, right? Like, what do you need? You know, you, I was saying earlier about those dudes that can, you know, create off the bounce and stuff like that and how important that is. Like the other type of dude is like that, like big that can do a lot of stuff on both ends, right? Like this like super versatile guy that can, you know, the your, your bams of the world, right? And the idea that he could be, you know, a supercharged version of that is very, very exciting. I'm just trying to get beyond, like, being worried about him being skinny.

Because I know that that just, I know that just sounds like very, like, just sort of, you know, basic and, you know, lacking any nuance. But it does just, like, it's hard to not worry about that. If he does, if the best offensive version of himself is as a five, like, it's just hard. to not worry about that. Like you were saying earlier, Andrew, I mean, maybe it doesn't matter until you get to the Yokeech's

and MBs of the world. Like, maybe you just, you know, but, but yeah, I guess I'm not saying anything now, but yeah. The competitive fire stuff, too, is real. Yeah, he's got, yeah, he's, he's, like that's scrapping.

Yeah, I like that about him. And also the, the Josh Giddy Instagram stuff with Chet, too. Oh, they are full. flirting, aren't they? I mean, it's totally It feels like it's going to happen. They're making eyes.

Unless, I mean, me just putting on my conspiracy theory had again here, unless Presti put giddy up to that as smoke signals. Oh, Samuel. I'm just You know, I remember. Instagram, Josh. And if you could, just do a few eye emojis

for me. That would be great. I remember last year before the draft, Evan Mobley put up some post like where it's some sort of chicken place. He was like sponsor number or something. And Shea commented like, oh, great, I'm not going to have to pay for chicken anymore. And in my head, I was like, something they know. It's going to happen.

So the one guy we haven't talked about here is Jabari Smith. Andrew, tell me why Jabari Smith should be the pick. He's the easiest one to imagine in Oklahoma City. he is a floor spacer. He is just going to take and make a crap ton of threes at the NBA level. And with the creators of Thunder have, it's just almost, it's too easy to picture because we had Mike Muscala

doing what he will do at the NBA level last year for the Thunder. And he came in and he was insanely productive. Too productive. Just because he could shoot it. Like, that was it. And it helps every single lineup. And with a guy that, that can actually play 35 minutes

and defend multiple positions. And, I mean, it's really easy to picture Jabari in a Thunder jersey and what it would look like. I think Thunder fans have a hard time wrapping their mind around what Chet will look like. And maybe they don't even want to know what Chet will look like

because you see him and it's just like, man, it's just so skinny. I just don't know. Paulo's a weirder fit. Still, I think he would be great with those other two. But Jabari's just like, he's just so easy.

Oh, yeah, he shoots. and people have to guard him, great. Plug him in. So, like, one of the things, like, you mentioned the appeal earlier, Tyler of Bencaro because of the shot creation and how that's the hardest thing to find. And when you're building a playoff team,

having guys who can generate shots, and we saw him do that in big games for Duke. With Jabari Smith, the criticism of him is, is the opposite, right? Like, it's the fact that, oh, he's a knockdown shooter. He's a great defender. He can attack, like, in a straight line off the dribble, but he's not somebody who is finishing

in a high rate. He wasn't getting to the basket necessarily. He was pulling up, settling for a lot of jumpers. And in it comes to self-creation, he's not much of a playmaker. However, one of the thoughts on my mind with that is, well, if you're pairing Jabari Smith with other handlers like Giddy and SGA, the level that he needs to reach as a ball handler, like, he doesn't need to become a A-plus or even an A-minus ball handler. If he can get to like C plus B minus and be that guy who's potentially being defended by some weaker on ball perimeter guys who are going to have to take the primary matchup against Gildes Alexander or Giddy, that's where I'm like, oh, maybe if he's going against those dudes, he's just going to be wreaking havoc playing off of others being the secondary creator. So I don't know, like, what are your thoughts on the Jabari Smith that, like, given what you said about the importance of Bencaro's creation with what he could do for OKC? I'm with Andrew that it would be a pretty seamless fit in that, like, when you go back and look at the, just the quality of shots Shea would get when Muscala was on the floor and, like, Mascala was the screener and, you know, picking roll action, stuff like that.

When you go look at the quality of shots, Shea was getting just off of that, how much better they were, it's hard to not think about just how much harder he'll be for a defense. to deal with whenever there's somebody popping back that people have to worry about, you know, especially when that guy can't get played off the floor. And like you're saying, and can, you know, guard across potentially all five positions. I keep going back and forth on how much it matters that he, you know, struggles off the bounce right now. I'm with you that you don't want to take the ball out of SGA and Giddy's hands that much. My concern is, is our SGA and Giddy, you know, if you're projecting the team out

and if the goal is to be able to be a team that can get to the finals and maybe win it, you know, is SGA the A number one scoring dude? and if he is then great and if he's not then can Jabari be that it feels like the only way he could be that level of score is if he does add

the handle but then I also don't know how much I'm am I discounting his size am I not taking his size into account enough like how easy he can get his shot off against anybody I don't know I waffle so much on him because then it's like

has he gotten a little bit too reliant on his size? Has he not felt like he has to develop these other aspects of his game because he's so tall and he can get his shot off? Is he just always going to be happy, you know, firing 20-foot fadeaways with hands in his face whenever he's got driving lanes and stuff like that? I don't know. I would be happy with any of these dudes. I would be stoked with any of them. You'd be happy with any of them. How angry would you be if it was a surprise?

Somebody else, Shaden Sharp, Jade and Ivy, something out of the way. A trade down. Oh, you're, you look very angry. Are you rolling your eyes over there, Andrew? What happens if a trade down? They want more picks. All your picks are belong to Presti.

Goodness. Yeah, that would be a little frustrating because, like, the word is just like, it's all about top three guys, and it's all about getting the guys at the top of the draft, how much they matter, look at NBA history, and then it's, no, we're going to trade down to take this guard who can't finish with his left hand.

It's like, oh, come on, man. And the thing is that it feels like they've set up this roster to take on like a shot-making, big impact big. Right. Right. Like, they don't have anybody like that. Like, they drafted Jeremiah Robinson Earl last year

and were very intentional about playing him at the four and the five all year and switching that up so that he could be as versatile as possible. They're setting this team up for a guy like this, and then you, I would just be floored if they took Jaden Ivy. It complicates things in the immediate for them, because then it's like, okay, well, are you going to pay Lou Dort and bring in Jaden Ivy?

Like, you're really going to do that? I don't know that they should, so you have to make a decision a little bit faster on Lou and how you're going to deal him or whatever you're going to do. To me, the talent, at the top is in these big guys. And like, whatever it is that he gets,

like, he's able to get, like, maybe if it's too unprotected picks from the Kings, it's like, okay, well, that's stupid.

Like, you probably have to do that. But people have been suggesting, like, Sacramento fans are like, well, we could trade four and a top five protected pick next year.

It's like, get out of here. Get out of here with that. Like, that's not it. I would be happy with any of the bigs, but to me, especially if it was shade sharp, I'd just be like, man, you've got to really know something.

And I don't know how you know it. I don't know how you're getting your information. It's a Canadian connection. SGA and Sharp. Yeah, that's good intel. That would be the only logical thing is like, listen, Sam does not want American players. Like he just wants Canadians, international guys. Like that to me would be like, all right, okay.

But yeah, I would be, I don't know. What do you think of Sharp? I don't know what to think about him. I've watched the, I'm calling a propaganda that's being put out on Twitter where he's going like half speed and like doing dunks. It's just like, this is nothing.

Don't do this to me. Like I saw Gerald Green do this kind of stuff. And like if you've compared the two, like, man, Gerald Green can be the best player in the whole NBA. Gerald Green once blew out a candle while dunk in a bowl. He did. I mean,

I remember. So the Celtics drafted Gerald Green years ago. I was like, this is the guy. We got the steal of the draft. I was at Oklahoma State when he was supposed to be coming. My freshman year, and Gerald Green was supposed to be. He was like the chosen one. It was a big deal whenever he committed.

It was a huge, in Oklahoma basketball circles, when Gerald Green committed Oklahoma State, it was like, whoa, are we driving to Stillwater? When are we going? Exactly. It was like Mario Bogan, Byron Eaton, and, you know, Gerald Green. I was like, this is my new life. This is amazing. But he did blow out the candle.

He had his dunk contest moment. He had a great career. I think that should be the name of the pod, but he did blow out the candle. He was, yeah, I'm glad Gerald Green. At least he had a long career. He played 12 years in the NBA. How crazy is that, right? And it's still kind of a bust in terms of like expectations out of high school.

But for an 18th pick, hey, 12 years in the NBA made tens of millions of dollars. Good for him. Watching some clips of that of Kendall Brown from Baylor, there's like in the way that he jumps, like there's a little bit of that there's, they like float similarly. You know what I mean? It's like a there's nothing,

there's so effortless. And just like the, how high they can get and dunk with two hands. I mean? Yeah. Like, yeah. How about so, all right,

you asked about Shadden Sharp. I want to keep it on. shit and sharp. Instead of a trade down, let's let's, instead of viewing him through the lens of a trade down or surprise at two, let's view him through the lens of a trade up for a second. Because OKC has 1230

and 34 and 500 first round draft picks and second rounders in the coming years. And they have some appealing young guys that could potentially flip if they really wanted to. Like if they wanted to pick up Lou Dorts option and throw him into a deal to a team, like you can do that. Like they have got

appealing guys in their roster. Kenrich Williams, like Jeremiah Robinson Earl. There's a number of appealing guys on O KC, Trayman, too, for that matter. So maybe if they were to trade up from 12, I think with Shaden Sharp, like everything you guys described about the need for creation, the need for end of the clock scoring, the need for, you know, more good, sturdy defensive players. Sharp isn't there defensively yet. But I think the effort there, the will to get better is there from what I hear about him

in terms of his work ethic. And offensively, you're right. Andrew, the empty gym stuff, it doesn't, it doesn't mean anything. Like that, it doesn't, it doesn't mean anything. But the EYBL production, his high school production, this guy's a bucket getter. He can create his own space from the perimeter to get into a three point jumper. I think there's been some talk about like how much is he willing as a passer. You know, there's been so many clips I've seen of him where he has opportunities to score, but he's making the extra pass. And his responsibility and his role was to score. So I don't, I don't mind as much sometimes. times when he's doing that, but I've seen enough where it's like, okay, I think he has a desire to pass. He has some vision. It's just about being empowered in a role in a situation. And I imagine, like I get excited about his potential fit on a team like OKC or another team that values moving the ball, sharing the ball, having different guys get touches. And I think you don't have a choice but to conform if you're playing next to Giddy, the way he moves the ball, an SGA. I think if you're

drafted into a situation like that, you can't be a ball stopper. I think you have to keep it moving. So, I mean, I guess with that in mind for him, is he kind of a preferred, like in the event of a trade up in the middle of the lottery from 12? Is he kind of one of the guys that you guys like most or are there any other names in the lottery where you're like, oh, I'd love to see him on Oklahoma City? Sharp would be super interesting and the ceiling, you know, offensively is super high. like, you know, the threes off the bounce with range, you know, like being able to do that from, from distance is, is special. And I get the, being pumped up about the athleticism. Some of the, like, Wiggins comps scare me. Like, I know Wiggins finally got there, you know, but I don't know if the Thunder trying to wait seven years for, you know, for Sharp to hit. Like Dyson Daniels is like a guy who, you know, it seems like he just keeps kind of shooting up boards.

And so I don't even know if that's if he's the type of guy that a team would be willing to listen to an offer for. You know what I mean? But his at that size defensively, he could just be so good. fighting through screens. It just seems like when you see him, it could be really special on that end. And the type of defender that everybody's looking for, a guy that can guard these unbelievable wing scores, right? And it just, it seems like that people underestimated, you know,

his potential ceiling offensively. Like, it seems like he might be able to do a little bit there. And, you know, especially in a situation where, he's going to be with SGA and Giddy and he can attack some closeouts and things like that, catch some defenses in rotations, not have to deal with such complicated reeds and everything,

just kind of make the game simple for him early on while he's young and getting his sea legs. I think it could be a really good situation for a dude like that. That would be, that's like Daniels, I would be super-dipper pumped up about, but I know that there's chances that he's not there right. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm big on Ben Matherin. Yeah. I just think like the offball movement stuff that he can do or that he showed to Arizona, like, it's perfect with Josh Giddy. Like we saw Kendridge Williams who would just like make really simple cuts and he would, Josh would find him and just go why? How did he do that? Just like imagine a guy who's 6-6, like crazy athletic.

You know, I think that there's a match there. I like the vibe, too. Like, his, like, his attitude on the court. Like, he's like, there's, he's got, he's, he's, um, not afraid. Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely, he's definitely not afraid. I mean, he'd fit it, fit right in with Gideon, those guys for sure. And you know what?

Canadian, too. Canadian. Oh, wow. Yes. Some of the names we're talking about here. You know, I pose the question as trade up. And I say that only because OKC is someone. much ammo. They can really move where they want to within the draft.

So, but, you know, whether it's like it moving up to seven or whether it's staying at 12, what are the types of players or are there any specific prospects, Andrew, that you think OKC should be targeting in that range? Yeah, I really think shooting has to be one of the aspects that they target here, whether that, like, Matherin doesn't seem like he'll be there at 12, but maybe he is. I think that a guy like AJ Griffith, is pretty interesting there. If you're an AJ Griffin truther, like it's a real easy spot to put him

because the Thunder Need shooting. He was a lights out shooter. He's crazy young, you know, only 18 years old still. I worry about the injury stuff and about just how heavy he looks as he's running up and down the court.

Those are the things that concern me the most. But, you know, if maybe Duke was hiding some of his creation skills, within their offense and he can kind of blossom somewhere. To me, he's a guy that it's very possible that he's there at 12. And it's another swing. And if you're swinging on a guy who's 6'6 and built like a brick house and can shoot the ball, it's like, all right, I'm in on that kind of prospect.

I think that some people are, some Thunder fans are terrified that Thunder will interview Jeremy Sohan and just be like, yeah, that's our guy. and just have like Andre Robertson PTSD where he's like not shooting the ball from the perimeter but I love him and I love his story and I would actually be super pumped if they

drafted if they drafted Jabari or Chet and paired Sohan with one of those guys I'd be like in because like it's crazy switchy the competitive fire that you get from those two and giddy and Dort like I know they're going to struggle

to score the basketball at times but Holy smokes, man. Like that defense is like Boston Celtics type of defense from those kind of guys when you envision what they could be. And the guy dyes his hair at different colors. Like he's just a lot of cool things about him. He has a British accent, but he's Polish and was born in Gaiman, Oklahoma. Like the story is just so funky. He was born in Gaiman?

Yes, bro. Diamond. What? Panhandler. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that.

I didn't know that either I just looked it up now born in Oklahoma yeah his mom so his mom was a professional basketball player played for this tiny team in Guyman Oklahoma he was born there and

she was Polish I believe and then he actually like plays on like the national team there and then he played with Jaden Ivy for like a minute in high school when he came over to the United States but then got sent back and played for Germany I knew he like bopped around the guy the yeah the yeah the

that Gaiman had a professional women's basketball team at that point is blowing my mind too. I'm just saying, Tyler, you need to reexamine the Gaiman aspect and the hair aspect when you're thinking about him. And don't dismiss him so quickly. I watched the Carolina game when I was like, I don't know, man, are you like a little dirty? Like, are you like a little bit like, do you? Are you going to make me have to like defend you and feel bad about it? Like, am I going to have to defend you on Twitter, like, no, I'm wrong? You know what I mean?

Yes. But that's okay. You need those guys. If you want to compete, you have to have those guys. You do need the guy who nobody likes but would love if he was on your team. You do need it. You do need it. I just, I don't know. But man, he is for it. But then he's from Gaiman. What do you do? And he's got to, he's from Gaiman with a British accent. I know. I mean, come on. And the dyed hair. And the dyed hair. There's just, there's too many things not to like about him. I mean, the thing about him is like. And this is just from an entertainment perspective, but I would love for them to leave the giraffe with somebody who can jump, who can catch some lobs from Giddy and SGA. I would love to have somebody who can, you know, get out on the break and fly a little bit.

That would be just from a, you know, showtime perspective. Yeah, you want to have fun watching your team. Andrew, you mentioned they'd kind of be Celtics S. in terms of how they'd be building out their potential defense. I mean, that's the thing that's so, you know, kind of exciting for me with this Oklahoma City roster when you think about there's a possibility. SGA could be the smallest, lightest player in some of their lineups. Like as they build this thing out, you know, you look at their drafts history,

whether some of these guys work out or not. Alexei Pocchevsky with his size and his playmaking or whether it's Basley, even Trey Mann has some height to him. He granted he's leaner right now. but, you know, Williams, Robinson Earl, Dort, they have, like, Dort is not a big guy in terms of his measurements, but he plays big with his defense. He's not a liability. So with Oklahoma City, they're building out this team that has, you know, switchability, potentially across positions where, like, we see Boston with what they've done against Miami, where they're playing with elements of zone off ball, where they're just, like, easily swapping matchups. It's, like, so seamless.

They don't worry about who's defending certain players because they can all defend, you know, players one through five. And if Oklahoma City can build something out like that, Dagnol has already proven to be a pretty good coach, really good developmental coach. I'd be excited with them following this vision. And like, I don't know. I'd be surprised if this isn't the game plan. Like, don't their past decisions kind of indicate, Andrew, like, this is what Presti's intending to do? Like, their actions speak really loudly to me. without a doubt.

They want versatility. I mean, they telegraph that with the pocou pick right out the gate. We just want guys that can shoot pass and dribble that can defend multiple positions and that we're not going to box this team in. And some of that I do think is like team building strategy where you don't want to, well, you're purely a point guard, you're purely a center. You can only play this position. I think that just from a team building strategy,

You want to stay away from that, those kind of guys unless they're generational. And to me, the current NBA just screams. Like, if you can be versatile and skilled at every position, you are just at a much better place than if you have guys that are either limited defensively or having a traditional center. Like, to me, I just want to stay away from traditional centers in the draft period with this team because you can go get those guys. I mean, you think about who are the guys that are going to be available this summer via trade. Like, there are, we're already mentioning guys who are at the top of the traditional center list, like Rudy Gobert and DeAndre Aten and like these guys that could be had. So, why are we drafting somebody at 12 or even at 30 that we could trade for?

I mean, even Jared Allen, like, the calves were just like, yeah, we'll get in here and we'll take him. We want to get in on this trade. They just got Jared Allen, an all-star center. So to me, just I would stay away just because the Thunder have so many assets down the road where a traditional center will be available. In fact, like the best free agent, the Thunder have ever gotten is Nerlins Noelle. And he was a center. And to me, to use your, I would use the draft assets on players that you can't acquire, you know, like good wings. You can't acquire them.

You just can't. Teams want to keep those guys. They want to keep all of them. and then free agency, they're not coming to Oklahoma City. It's just not going to happen. So to me, it's,

I would take one of these bigs at the top, and then I'm just finding a wing or a versatile player to swing on. And, like Mark Williams. I think Mark Williams would be a good pro, but I do not want to spend a lottery pick on him. Understandably so there, with adding the guys that you can't get.

And I think that kind of brings us to Lou Dort, who we've talked a little bit about here. you know, 17 points per game last year. Not a great shooter, as you said, it's not like defenses are extremely worried about him. But with Lou Doord, he has an interesting situation coming up this offseason for Oklahoma City because they have until June 29th,

the exercise is $1.9 million team option. And if they do that, he would become unrestricted in 2023. If they don't pick up that option, he'll be restricted in 2022 this summer. So by picking it up, you risk losing him for nothing in a year. What do you think is the better path forward for Oklahoma City, Andrew, given the situation financially with Dort? And do you also view him as kind of one of those pieces that you potentially move in a big deal?

Or do you kind of view him as in that keeper category and only 23 years old right now? Yeah, I'd be checking the temperature from his agent to see, like, how rich of a deal does he want? If he wants north of 15, I think that you have to consider dealing him. I think the best option, though, for the Thunder is to pick up the option. Give yourself as much financial flexibility as possible in the summer of 2023. The Thunder have shown that if they feel good about a situation, they did this with Jeremy Grant right before they re-sign Paul George and brought Jeremy Grant back, they weren't afraid to do that.

they have really, really good relationships with their players. I mean, that cannot be understated. Lou grew up a Thunder fan. I think Lou loves being here. He loves Shea. He loves this group. He loves Mark. He loves growing with this group.

I've interviewed him a few times, and the dude just smiles from ear to ear all the time. I think he really does enjoy being in Oklahoma City. And so to me, he's also a guy that I think can play in the playoffs. I mean, I have watched a majority of the playoff games, and part of it is just like the straight up analysis of what's going on the floor. But it's also like, okay, which players that are on the Thunder could actually get into one of these games and not, you know, wet their pants. And Lou Dort is one of those guys. I think that he can compete.

He competes super hard. He's not afraid to take shots. He's willing to drive to the rim. He's got a lot of improving to do. But to me, if he gets in a simplified. role where it's, Lou, you're going to defend the best perimeter player on the defensive end

and then offense, you're going to sit in the corner where he is a, he's a career 40% three-point shooter from the corners. And so if you can simplify his role where it's just corners and attacking closeouts and defending, I think that you actually have a really good player who

doesn't have to initiate any offense, doesn't get to take all these shots. So to me, I think you risk it, pick up his option, be flexible in 23. And if you have to pay them 15, then fine. But to me, the Thunder, they're going to have the Kimball Walker deal off the books,

the Derek Favors deal off the books. They're going to be insanely flexible financially in 23. I would say just like keep that flexibility, keep your options open, and see what Dort looks like as like the fourth guy on an office. So with Dort, he's 23, number of other guys on the roster under 25 who have appeal. Basley at 21, Poku at 20, Trey Man at 21, Robinson Earl at 21,

Teo Maladon at 20. Tyler, of those six names, Basley, Poku, Man, Robinson Earl, Dort, Maladon. Of those six, you can only keep one. Which one would you be keeping? Man. I don't want to get rid of, I don't want to get rid of my buddy, Poku. But Trey Man's really good at stepbacks, Kevin.

I don't know what to do. It, um, Tyler, I've got my Poku pack right here. Signed. You're going to really, you're going to really do that to me. I'm sorry. Don't do that. Is a Poku? I think that right now is a, no one's selling those to me.

Yeah, this is a, this is a Poku fanny pack. Wow. Custom made by a shop here locally, Shop Good. And signed by Poku? Shop Good. We actually, we partnered with Shop Good. My podcast, Down to Dunk did. And we, um, did ads and,

you know, promoted this huge POCU event and it was glorious. Are you really going to do that, Tyler? Are you going to pick someone other than POCU? Is that what's going to happen here on this podcast? If you told me that I got to pick one of them, Trey, man. Wow.

As much as I mean, it's, you know, I'll, I'll beat myself about this later and I'll, I'll DM him and ask for, you know, forgiveness. But, uh, I don't know. Trey just had so much more off the bounce than I realized whenever they took him, and he has a very defined elite skill that is highly sought after in the league right now. And for a team that has next to no shooting, a guy that can, you know, take some pressure off of SGA and Giddy on the perimeter who's already there. who, you know, we know fits and seems to, there seems to be good, you know, chemistry among those three.

Poku is just, I don't know, he played kind of good there at the end of the year, didn't he? He finished strong, man. I don't know. It's hard to tell. It's hard to tell. 12 points per game. Seven rebounds, four assists. Not turning the ball over as much.

It looks much better. Whenever he's making his shots, just everything, he's calmer. Everything is, I mean, it's obviously just a very simple thing to say, but it's just like, I've been happy that he hasn't looked like a, you know, deer on defense, right? Like, he's like, he doesn't, you know, he's, he can actually sort of hold his own there. I just, yeah, I don't know. I, I, I have all the same concerns as everybody else does. and still think it could go either direction.

I don't think he's like cartoonishly bad, like some people tried to make him out to be, you know what I mean? I think that that's just sort of part of his nickname is Poku, and he's an odd-shaped guy, right? So I think part of it is just that. How angry does Poku get if they draft Chet? Is he offended? Is he jealous?

They don't play. They don't have the same game. He's like Poku is a three, like very much. Chet's not. I don't think that they would be, I think Poca would be like, great. Finally, somebody to screen for me. Thank God. Like, yes, come send me some screen. But, uh, no, it's like, somebody else to take the pressure off of like, everybody telling me to go eat a steak every day, you know, like they get to talk to him about it now. Leave me alone, you know, at least my, at least my butts a lot bigger than his, you know. I get to it. Andrew, just,

last thing here, uh, of those six, um, who are the keepers of those younger guys, Basley, Boku, man, Robinson Earl, Dort, Maladon, are any of them, like, you're going to keep these guys? I think it's Dort, for sure. And then, I think Trey is right. I think that you're thinking too much about it's high. Like, the self-creation stuff that he's got off the bounds, the separation that he can create with like three dribbles is there's not,

are they anybody in the league that can do that? And it also seems like that he's got it in him to, you know, finish at the rim. can get past guys. And like you were saying earlier, Kev, like, you know, he's not gigantic, but he's not small either. And it, yeah, I don't know how he'll hold up on defense when, you know, push comes to shove. Like, we'll see what happens. And, you know, he'll get sought after in the playoffs, I'm sure, until, you know, whatever.

But it's, yeah, to have a guy like that who can, you know, run your office. defense against second units if you need him to. Like, ideally you're staggering, Giddy and Shea and it's all whatever. But like to have a guy like that, because you just can't, you can't be successful in the NBA now unless you have multiple ball handlers, multiple guys who can get shots for themselves or other people. And, you know, when, yeah, these just, these one-headed monsters just don't, they just got to, it's got to be LeBron level, right? Like it's, you know, even Luka needs more help than he's got.

So it's just the people who say, who question the shay get anything, like they both need the ball, they both need the ball. Like we, you know, you need multiple teams, multiple guys that can handle it. Just have to. Last thing here with Oklahoma City, they have all of these draft picks and they can move wherever they want to within 2022. Is there any part of you that thinks that they are compiling all of these picks for something big in 2023? it's something involving all their cap space, trying to accelerate things quickly with free agent signings and a big trade or whatever, or whether it's like going for the big fish in the 2023 draft, Victor Wenban Yama, the seven plus foot center, who is, you know, already

making waves as a generational prospect with his shooting ability. He can do a lot off the bounce. He could be like Gobert as a defender. Wenban Yama looks like the real deal in 2023. With Oklahoma City, they have, you know, 387 first-round draft picks over the next seven years. They could put all of those on the table if they wanted to. If they have the number three pick next year and they will say, oh, we'll also give you six more first-round draft picks for number one. I don't know if a team does that, but they at least have the ammo. Do you guys think that Presti's game here is to be in a position to acquire the guy that he wants,

whoever it is, whatever potential opportunity becomes available, is that is that what he's angling for or is this just going to be a slow rebuild with a bunch of draft picks I think it's going to be a slow rebuild interesting with a bunch of draft picks and it's a lot of moving within drafts then maybe like this year we'll see what he might do again next year and the year after movement within the drafts like sliding from 12 and 30 and 34 to get the five or whatever it might be yeah I mean the tough thing is like whoever gets the first pick in next year's drafts they're just going to laugh every time that they pick up sam presi's phone phone call because like yeah we're not I don't care if you like 10 draft picks like who cares like no no thank you like this is what this is all about is acquiring this exact kind of player and so you know I think I don't think that they're under any impression that that that those picks allow you to get whatever you want but to me to have like the sustainable success that the thunder want to have it's got to be a slower rebuild and it's got to be something that you know the thunder feel very

certain about before they press go. And it could be as soon as next off-season where they have the 23 draft. They've had, that'll be like their third draft of this rebuild. You've already got Shay, giddy, whoever you get it to, and whoever you get at, five or wherever they're at next year. I think you can feel pretty good about a team then to, you know, maybe use a pick to trade for a center or trade for, you know, something else. But yeah, to me, it's going to be a slow process.

I think that you look at what Sam Hinky did, and I think that Sam wants to carry that out and have the chance to actually let that happen. And he's got the ownership backing. I don't think the league is losing their mind with what the Thunder are doing right now. So I think that he's got like a real shot to actually carry out the process

without a Tobias Harris interruption. I'm with Andrew. I think it'll be a slow role, too. I don't think that he's gone to these lengths to try to speed the process up all of a sudden. If they traded, you know, if they did trade SGA, then I would think like, oh, yeah, he thinks that Wimbenyama is like Duncan 2.0, and it's just all chips on tech. Like, I got to have them, you know. but yeah, anything other than that, I mean, I'm with Andrew that just like teams aren't trading picks, no matter how many you're going to give them.

If you can get a guy like that and you know you can get him, you know, I don't think that that's, I think ultimately what will happen, the consolidation of picks, like you say, there will be little, little, you know, many versions of that to move up in drafts, things like that, two seconds for a guy at the trade deadline, something like that, whatever. I think the big time, like, here's, you know, the mother load. I think that's the last thing before they are like, all right, we're competing now. Like, I think it's like the like Phoenix doing the Chris Paul trade. It's like, okay, here's our play.

This is, here's our, you know, whether he uses all the chips or not, I don't know, but here's all our best chips or whatever. I think that that will come at the end of the rebuild, if that makes sense. Totally, yeah. Like in 26, they have the top four protected first from Houston and an unprotected first from the clippers. So it's like you're saying the next two, three, four years, it's about kind of those micro movements targeting the guys that you want.

And then in 25 or 26 or 27 when you have some of those picks from the Russ and the George deal still coming in, where that's the point where it's like, okay, that's the final piece. You'd hope at that point, right? That makes total sense. You have to allow for like some, you know, one of the big time dudes getting pissed and, you know, whatever, he loves Shay and wants to go. You have to allow for that, right? And, you know, things change.

And, you know, maybe it's a situation where the dude is young and it's not so far outside of the timeline that it doesn't make sense in Presti's eyes. And so he does pull the trigger. It's not that it couldn't happen before then. I just don't think that Presti is trying to make any moves in the immediate that would mess with their potential to have a big-time blue chip pick. I think that that's what his concern is, even if he's going to go try to trade for some young disgruntled dude or whatever, oftentimes he's targeting these dudes that were in the top five in the draft and stuff like that. Like he's a big believer in up there at the top or the types of guys that you want to take chances on. And so I think, yeah, all that to say, I'm with Andrew.

Andrew, Tyler, this was fun. Thank you guys. Yeah, yeah, thanks for asking, man. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me. Thanks again to Tyler and Andrew for joining the void. Thank you to Jesse Lopez for producing. And thank you to you for listening this entire NBA season.

I can't believe it's the NBA finals already coming up on Thursday. I'm fired up. I'll be back on Friday with Chris Vernon, so stay tuned for that. Have a good one.