The Mismatch - The Warriors Are Finally Complete, the Sixers’ Only Hope, and the Cooper Flagg Hype Meter

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

With media days underway and preseason basketball ramping up, Verno and Jacoby return to recap the first preseason game, debate the Sixers' championship window, discuss Wemby’s offseason, and more! (00:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(00:40) Question 1: How was Knicks-76ers in Abu Dhabi?(12:12) Question 2: How concerned are you with Giannis Antetokounmpo’s absence for Bucks media day?(19:48) Question 3: Has the 76ers’ window already closed?(24:42) Question 4: Which team/fan base is the most delusional right now?(33:42) Question 5: What do you make of Victor Wembanyama's offseason?(41:36) Question 6: How do you think the Warriors' season will play out?(45:57) Question 7: Which person you grew up watching would you most want a friendship with?(54:24) Question 8: Did Quentin Grimes make a huge mistake?(58:26) Question 9: Where does Cooper Flagg rank among players you will go out of your way to watch?(01:01:52) Question 10: Did you see Zion Williamson without his T-shirt? Leave us a message on our Mismatch voicemail line! [phone] Hosts: Chris Vernon and David JacobyProducer: Jessie LopezSocial: Keith Fujimoto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the mismatch. I'm Chris Vernon. And join me to does every week from the ringer.com is Dave Jacoby. Jacoby. Berno, I've watched an NBA basketball game today. This is perfect because as we have been doing throughout these offseason months, we are doing 10 questions today where we will be incredibly comprehensive on everything that has gone on throughout these 10 questions. But question number one for this evening's episode is,

Jacoby, I did not. not see the games in Abu Dhabi because I was working. What are you trying to say? Oh, I just, I couldn't watch them. You know, you were working by watching this game. Yeah. I want the most comprehensive rundown of the Knicks 76ers preseason showdown overseas that has been done on any podcast in the world.

I'll try to keep this under 30 minutes, okay? We'll start off the court. Number one, I hate the Gotham sports app. I hate it so much. You've no idea how much. I've talked about this app before. I spent $320. I got the Nets package.

That's how much I want to see Yeager Demen play basketball and Michael Porter Jr. experiment and see how many shots Kim Thomas gets up before he gets pulled and benched for the second half. So I paid $320. I'm paying for Rangers games I mean, Mets games, Yankee games.

I don't care. I'm just, I paid $3.20 for the year. Fine. Whatever. I'll write it off. Gotcha. Can't log in on my TV.

Can't do it. Oh, it's only for your phone. It's only for your phone. Trying to log in on my TV, error message. Try to log into my TV, error message. So then I have to shoot it from my phone to my television. No, no, no, no. to say I can do.

Please tell me there's a separate charge if you want to watch it on your TV. No, there can't. No, I think you get one profile. Because I had one profile last year and you can watch it on both. Gotcha. And I was just like,

finally it got frustrated because the game had already started. And I'm holding a six month old. So I shoot it to the TV, right? A couple things I want to say before we get to the game action. The Knicks had been spending their time. You've seen the camel writing stuff

and the Falcons and the appearances. Like they do, they take you through this whole thing. and I went to the World Cup in Qatar, or whatever you want to call it. And I've done that stuff too. It's like time consuming. It's cool.

I love it. But Clyde, not my favorite, but he made a great point on the broadcast. He was like, they each get to bring a guest and they've had so many activities and responsibilities like outside of basketball that you can't bond on this trip

the same way we used to bond when we would go on trips. It's not play the game, go to dinner with the boys and talk about basketball. It's play the game, go home with your wife, maybe have a dinner or whatever. You know what I mean? And I was like, oh, good point. And I thought that was interesting. Also important before we get to the basketball, Steve Harvey was there.

And I was just like, he was in the front row. And I'm like, what is Steve Harvey doing there? So apparently Steve Harvey went last year too. And like, I don't know what's going on. also in the front row. They showed him on camera, and this is one of my favorites of all time. Yes, race has something to do with it.

The professor from Ann 1 was there. Oh. Front row. I love the professor so much. I follow him on Instagram. He's still doing his professor thing currently to this day. So we got Steve Harvey, the professor,

a smattering of other celebrities that I don't recognize. No, no, no, Shalamee, no, no, still are Shalamee. They did not make the trip. Spike's got a, Major League Baseball Playoff that he is at right now. Okay, I feel like this would give you a massive upper hand

on the fan rankings if you made the trip overseas to the next free season. I also think Steve Harvey going two years in a row makes me feel like that he might have some contacts out there and he might be getting compensated for his presence. I'm just saying that out loud. Something tells me that he's enjoying, he's enjoying his time there. All right, the game.

The basketball. The biggest takeaway, the absolute biggest takeaway. And he didn't play great. was VJ Edgecombe looks like a guy. Like it's just one game. I'm not going to like, but I was like just the way he moves, his size,

how comfortable he is getting to the hoop. It just, he just looked really, really good. That was my, that was my number one thing was like, this guy is as advertised. Yeah,

the number three pick in the draft. A lot of people thought that Philadelphia might move that pick to try to get, you know, a vet, player instead they exercised that pick a lot of people and obviously a lot of the mocks had ace bailey and then the ace bailey thing didn't take and so they end up taking vjay edgecombe he impressed a lot of people at summer league and i text you today after i saw that highlight of him jumping outside of the circle

and trying to throw it down i was like whoa whoa whoa whoa and now this guy is going to have some serious highlights this year some of the most impressive stuff were his misses but he's just he's just he's just comfortable and aggressive going to the basket now it's worth saying that like without we all know mcane's not playing and you know mb's not playing and paul george isn't even there and like so it is sort of like a hodgepodge group of sixers but he had an opportunity to play and he just looked really comfortable he looked really good going to the basket that was my number one takeaway and again i'll try to keep it under 30 minutes rough start to the game it just like it it just felt like the first preseason game after everyone's been on like a 14 hour flight

That's what it felt like. It was just a weird. They were like, oh, we kind of forgot how to do this game. It was a lot of turnovers and just an ugly start, slow start. But there's been a lot of talk, and I'm going to bog us down with like Nick's talk. But there's been a lot of discussion about it is what the starting five is going to be. And there's been indications that be Mitchell Robinson in the place of Josh Hart. And OG wasn't playing.

But instead of plugging Hart into OG spot, they put Daddy A and Daddy is just, if you don't know who he is, don't worry about it. But they put him in that spot because I think they wanted to establish that Josh Hart is going to be sort of a second unit leader guy. Okay. And Mitchell Robinson played, you've probably haven't seen this. He played for 18 minutes. Guess how many rebounds he had? 18 minutes. 12.

More than 12? More than 12? 18 minutes, mind you. 16. 16 rebounds. Wow. Five offensive rebounds. 16 rebounds.

16 rebounds in 18 minutes. 16 rebounds in a game is a great rebounding game. 18 minutes of action. I mean, he did. He still looked like Mitchell Robinson. Like he's not exactly like an offensive savant. One of my things about him, and I've been watching him forever,

he just can't catch. Like there's a dump off that Brunson gave him. It just like went through his hands. Just like, dude. Did it look like they played differently than Tibbs ball? Yes. I think they did that intentionally. You know what I mean?

And I really feel like, Is it a pace thing? Is it a less sticky ball thing? No, yeah, it's a pass the ball thing. You know what I mean? It's just like the Knicks office last year was Brunson dribbles the air out of the ball and then he makes something happen. That's their entire, that's like every possession.

And, you know, I think that they've made a point of emphasis to move the ball. They've released some practice footage of like, you know, six past possessions that this is going to happen. This is going to be a thing. And other players are going to get opportunity. I think that you'll see OG and Bridges and Kat will all contribute. more offensively in a sort of a more motiony offense. It couldn't be a less motiony offense.

And I really think that when they said on the broadcasts, I thought it's taking less burden and energy from Brunson to get through 82 games to have a fresher Brunson for the playoffs. And another thing they said, which I thought was spot on, was in the last few possessions of the game, it's still going to be a Brunson ISO.

You know what I mean? Yeah, but that's what's going to be. Beyond the way they would play, Jacoby, just looking at that for the first time today, like looking at the box score. Yeah, I mean, you can't help but look at their roster and be like,

you know what, man, like they can get away with playing bench guys now, right? They got Yaboos, they got my second takeaway. They got, like they do have players to go to.

Clarkson, Clarkson, like, yeah, he's in Utah for a long time. I'm not only paying attention, but I'm looking at him. I'm like,

he looks good, you know? No. And I think Brogton is interesting. He's on a non-guaranteed contract. They got 10 guys. Yes. Yeah.

And they're going to play a lot of them. I think it's going to be a really, I think this is, I was skeptical would be a light word to say about the Tibbs firing, but I think this alone, this approach will help them long term in that. I got to ask you, I got to interject because you just passed over like the heart thing

and, you know, Hart being the leader of the whatever. What happened with Tim? Because I did see that headline. Dude. He gets a rebound and he's dribbling to his, left. And it's sort of like a non-contact injury.

And they show the replay three times. And you're just like, what did he hurt? You know, sometimes you can see the replay. You can see like if a knee hyper extends or an ankle twist. It was just kind of like, what did he hurt? And apparently it was his back. And then he's on his back. And he's frustrated because he's hurt.

And he throws the ball. And he gets ejected. It's just the weirdest sequence. First of all, he's not playing because he's hurting a preseason game. And there's no sort of like repercussions down the road. It doesn't like go against his record in terms of like text. It was just a weird ref thing to do to be like, you're out of here. And he's like holding his back being carried up by a trainer.

But like that was really bad. Like the, you know, the first, you know, it's scary. It's the first 40 minutes of action. It's just like, oh, we've already, you know, like key players are already missing from the team. But it's an odd sequence of events. Like, is sometimes one of those things when you watch the replay, like, is that his knee taking too much pressure? and they don't really know what it is. And it wasn't even like a collision.

It was awkward. It was weird. Hopefully he's better. And the last thing I'll end with. And I kind of forgot that he was acquired. Gary Bird is in a mixture. Oh, Garrison Matthews. No, no, that Derry Bird is in Milwaukee.

Gary Bird. Garrison Matthews starts off three for three from three. Oh, no. It ended up three for four. You're going to have a favorite, huh? No. Free Garrison? I'm not sure he's going to see too much on the floor. So it was just good to see the NBA be back for real.

You know what I mean? And it was like it felt like a game. You know, the Knicks won, but you know, I don't think that matters, obviously. But it felt good. All right. Obviously, you're watching it from the Knicks perspective. Any thoughts besides Edgecombe on what you, I mean, the Sixers didn't have their guys, right? But like, Mr. Vernon, I will, I just want to remind you that we do 10 questions.

and the third question is about the 76ers that you wrote as well as I want to be clear that you wrote this question it's a Chris Vernon question it's about the 76er season so that's why I went Nick's heavy there because we'll get back to the sixers later I did I sometimes I forget what a pro I'm working with sometimes I forget what an idiot I'm working with it's valid I don't like I remember the questions. Come on. We're already in mid-season four. It's our pre-season two. Next one. All right. It's a little, we've been separated a bit from media days.

We're not going to do tons of media day content because it's been a few days. But this was the big thing to me was if you were a Bucks fan, how concerned would you be about Janus's press availability during media day? You mean with COVID on Zoom? Yes. With COVID on Zoom. Well, that's a little bit concerning right off the bat that he wasn't available. Would I be concerned that the owner of the team said that Janus told him in June that he is committed to Milwaukee.

And then Janice said that he couldn't recall me saying that. I don't call that. Yes, I would be concerned about that. I mean, here's the deal, man. And I love Yadus. And Yonis may be, this is one of those possibly truthful to a fault. I want to believe he, like, might really not recall saying that. I also think that I can't decide if I think that I think that, you can't decide if I think that,

Janice knows the levity of his words or not. Because I kind of tend to think that no. I don't think yonity. Like the humor in his words. No. Well, yeah. Gravity is what you mean. Gravity.

Okay. Not leaveny. Yeah. Two completely different concepts. Not levity. The gravity of his words. Because do I think that Janus thinks this is going to be a first take topic and the NBA podcast are all going to be talking about?

oh, he didn't say he wanted to be there, right? Yokic was in, you know, he's asked in Denver and he said, my plans to be a nugget forever. And it's like, you juxtapose that versus what Yonis says. Like, do I think that there's part of me that thinks Janus doesn't think that way, right? Like he doesn't consider. I think that we have grown up for the last 20 years in a LeBron world where everything he says is intentional. He knows exactly what your topic is going to be and wants it to be that, right?

I don't think Giannis does. I kind of give him the benefit of the doubt that the right thing to say is, yes, I remember talking with the owner. But I kind of believe he doesn't remember talking to the owner. I kind of think so, too. I think that that conversation was very important. to the owner and insignificant to Janus. That's what I feel like happened. I think the conversation did happen,

but it just meant so much to him and so little to him. And that he doesn't consider that anything he says that is not I'm Milwaukee to the bone is going to be taken as, oh, when's he when I want out? You know what I mean? Like, because he did go on him. Like, he was thrilled about the Miles Turner deal. And they obviously came to him whenever.

I mean, clearly they have made such an irrational decision to do that the Lillard deal that is going to... Which one? There was two irrational little deals. No, no, no, no, no. The acquisition or the stretch? No, the acquisition was not irrational.

Fair. The stretch and that being on your cap in this day and age is wild. Like, wild. But you are doing that to make the most of, in your mind, the most of the time that you do have Janus. So, like, they continually try to appease Janus and try to make it the best it could possibly be around Yonis. So it's like, all right, well, we're not going to have Lillard,

and that's not going to work because he's got the Achilles there. So we're still going to try to win. If you're going to be on the team, what we're not going to do is not be competitive, right? If you're on our team, and we will even do the stupidest crap ever to remain competitive while you're on. on the team. And so I don't know. Like, you know, he's a competitive guy.

He, um, there might be a time where he ends up wanting out of there. But I kind of, I'm kind of given a little bit of a break. I think if I'm a Milwaukee fan, I can convince myself that like he doesn't understand how that's going to be taken. And frankly, every question that he gets about, you know, are you going to stay in Milwaukee? Do you love Milwaukee? you're going to be a Milwaukee for life. Are you going to commit to Milwaukee?

You know, it's like, I think he probably doesn't. And this wasn't even that. This was the owner said this, and he just said, yeah, I don't know that. Yeah. Like, I think he probably doesn't remember that. I don't think, I think that we live in a LeBron world where everything that a player says, many times, can be taken as intentional. I don't, I think I would say, Janus is probably not.

intentionally wanting because what we know about him is he doesn't want everybody talking about that all the time. You know what I mean? LeBron does want you talking about it. He's not trying to stoke the flame. He's not trying to keep his name in people's mouths. And I also, one thing that's key is that

that conversation was in June. And June might seem like it was like yesterday. June was a while ago. You know what I mean? Like, think about your June. Like, it's the start of the summer. You know what I mean? Like, it was a while ago. And I also think that that whatever conversation happened between them,

I think they're both right. He probably said, I love Milwaukee, but maybe he didn't like, you know, you know, if you sucibly go on for 10 minutes, there's probably an offhand comment from Janus.

And one thing that this made me think of. Well, he also, look, he also probably said that when they stretched Lillard. They check in with them. And he's like, look,

don't worry about me. I'm committed to Milwaukee. Yeah. Right? I'm sure they check into them. Yes. Yeah. And I also think that Yannis, one thing this makes me think of is I was at Grantland when Yonis got drafted by Milwaukee. And we all know his history.

And I was thinking to myself, you know, he was, remember he like grew and he was so skinny. And this, you know, one of our colleagues, Danny Chow was like obsessed with him because he wasn't like the number one guy. And I was thinking of myself was like, that was so long ago. He's lived in Milwaukee that entire time. His entire sort of like domestic American experience has been in Milwaukee. So I don't think he's going to be so quick to just sort of skip town or demand trades. And I think things really, really go south. He does say he wants to be championship contender.

You know what I mean? So if he does find himself on a depleted roster due to injury and they're, you know, not even in the playing contention. If it's a disastrous season, I could see him finally saying something. But I think it would take a lot for him to actually fix it. his lips and say, I would like out of Milwaukee. Totally. That's how I have you. Next question. Just a reminder, this is the one you wrote about the 76ers.

Aaron Weitzman, outstanding writer for the ringer.com, who is so embedded with the 76ers and knows everything about that organization, wrote a very good article, very good article. Has the 76ers window already closed? Everybody can go read said article, which has tremendous amount of details in it on the ringer.com. I will ask

you the question that is posed as the headline of said article, has the 76ers window already closed? Yes. But I will, I will expand. Next question. Next question. I read the article. It was an amazing article. But here's how as a 76ers fan, I'd be frustrated

and, you know, if you look at the roster on paper, if you take health out of it, it's a championship contending roster. It is. It just is. If you take health out of it, it is. But as he detailed in the article,

currently Paul George went through the archoscopic surgery in his left knee after suffering an injury during a workout. Embed says he's ready. McCain is out four to six weeks. We saw McCain post-surgery singing Drake songs and Tate McCray songs. The Grimes thing is weird.

We'll get to that later. And this was a weird, this is a weird quote in the article that I just want to say. This is a former staffer. So I always remember when it's a former staffer, they don't work there anymore. It means they got let go by the team. And here's what he said, quote. I have this marked as well.

Yeah. The organization was built around one guy who doesn't trust anyone and mainly keeps to himself. Former staffer who always have to take with a grain assault. He goes on and says, when that one guy is putting up wilt-like numbers, it can work. Not so much when he's playing in 19 games. a career low and in those rare moments when he does suit up

shooting a career worse 44% for the field while looking timid, heavy and slow. I mean, that is ruthless. I mean, good career.

This is, there's something about this, though, there is hope for our Sixers fans. This championship window is closed. But there's a world where Edgecombe works out,

McCain works out. Maxi's like a vet. And you know what I mean? They've got like Bona and Edwards. and like there's a young core there that is like you know 20 28 29 like a couple pieces a couple moves here and there you get and beat off the book somehow like there's a world where yeah it's bleak right now and someone's going to get hurt and they're not going to play but if you can get post this era the next era is got is reason for hope one of the positive outlooks about it would be Look at the East. You don't have to be that good. You don't have to be that good.

This season? No. You don't have to be that good to be in the mix in the Eastern Conference. Counterpoint, there are some like young cores, if we're forecasting like two, three years, there's some young cores that could be competitive. I got it. But you think about just fast-forwarding to this year

and Boston and Indiana and Milwaukee and like a lot of the teams that we have been used to. It's like if you did play really well and if you were good and you know, I mean, I don't think there's not that much. If they get like Paul George back and a bead back and they're playing well and things, I can see them.

No. Okay, fair. Fair. Fair. It's closed. I mean, I mean, you literally started the argument. It's closed. No, no, no. I got it. But you started with, you know, know, if they were all, you know, if you, if you assumed health and you assumed health with an individual that has played 58 of the last 164 games and can't play back to backs and whatever. And we don't even really know why either. It doesn't trust anyone keeps to himself. Yeah. Oh, it is very, very Kauai-esque in the article about like how.

have the trust has been broken so much that like nobody nobody even wants to talk about it nobody even wants to talk about his injuries or timelines or anything that could happen with him and it's like boy that sounds very clipper-esque with the kawai quotes and mismatched listeners will remember after that player's only meeting they had a game in memphis yep they did and i came on this very show and i told you i've never seen this happen next question this happens in all sports

no matter how terrible your team looks on paper this time of year before like the ball goes in the air in game one every fan base sort of like looks at the best case scenario like every fan base is like well if things break right

and you know Lillers out Tatum's out and Hellarits out and you know if you're a Hornets fan you're looking at your roster you're like ah you know like okay Maybe this will come together. We've got Plumley.

Which team and fan base is the most delusional right now about the expectations or the potential ceiling they have for their team? So this is a hard question to me. Because the reason it's hard is because I can't, I can't claim to be tapped into every different fan base to know What is properly representative of said fan face, right? You're going to have an awareness via social media, and you're going to have an awareness via social media

and the responses that you get in many cases, right? So, like, a couple of weeks ago when I said, nobody, like, I don't think people are going to be picking Cleveland to represent the East in the NBA finals. I mean, immediately it was like, what? They've got the best odds and they've got that. Of course, yeah. I just don't think that.

that's going to happen. I don't think that's going to be commonplace. And so look, that would, but I refuse to let that color my opinion of, like, you look, I do think it has to be somebody that's expected to be very good. And I have

issued warning signs towards them being very good, right? And so I don't want to indict an entire fan base for saying, oh, well, you're crazy if you think you're That's fair. That's fair. There's certainly ways that these teams could be good. But Cleveland having the best odds in the East

when they are without Max Struce for months and when they were without Darius Garland to start the season and they lost Ty Jerome and they've lost some guys. Where did Ty Jerome go? And he's in Memphis. And you look, go look at like what comes in off their bench. You're not going to love it unless you love Lanzo ball that they say he is not going to play back to backs.

And it's like, and Thomas Bryant and whatever. And, like, you know, they don't, like, Acoro's gone now. Tide's wrong now. I mean, I'm not going to act like they lost a who's who. I'm just saying many times we look at teams and we judge them on last year's teams. And these teams are always very different from year to year, generally, right? Oklahoma City's going to get to just run it back. Okay.

And there are some of these teams that are just going to get to run it back. but you don't know the calculations of how bad is it going to hurt if they don't have McKeel Alexander Walker as the third guard in Minnesota. How much is it going to hurt if they don't have this? How are these new guys going to play with? So I look at it and I go, all right, who are these teams that I hear everybody talking about all the time? So this is not necessarily an indictment of the fan base. This is an indictment of, and I don't want to say an indictment of the media.

I'm just saying I hear these teams get pumped up so much and talked about. in such a way. This should be more media based than fan based. That's probably my mistake. That I think my inclination would be, if it was my team, I'd just, I'd be getting jazz, right?

Everybody keeps telling me how awesome my team's going to be. So the two that stand out are Atlanta and Houston. Because nobody says a false word about them. And Atlanta, you know, I mean, what if the Porzingis thing goes like it did in Dallas, you know, where it didn't work. with Luca.

Or Boston last year. Right. Well, and how weird was that at their media day where he still can't explain his illness? I was like, what is going? Like, what? Like, remember the weird, like, perpetual illness? It's still, it's still. Respiratory was used for it.

Just super strange. And the other thing is Trey Young, you know, he couched it, but like a little disappointed that they didn't offer him in extension in the offseason. And so it's just like there's always like, look, I love their talent as well, right? But you don't know how the thing's all going to work. And everybody's super high on them. I just listened to my buddies, Kurt Goldsbury and Zach Lowe, talk about Quinn Snyder as a coach of the year candidate.

It's like, you know, both of them. All right. So anytime somebody's getting, you know, pumped up a lot, that's always the opportunity for the downfall. And then Houston, the same way, right? Like they've lost Van Fleet. They've lost, you know, and it's just Brooks Green, Landau, Cam Whitmore. Like, it is different.

It's a different roster than it was. The one that accomplished what they accomplished last year is not this roster. And so now as they function with Kevin Durant as their best player and, you know, are we, we're just going to run Amend Thompson out there to run point or we're going to run Reed Shepherd, out there to run point, whatever. Like we talked about how the Van Bleet thing, I thought was very important, a very important loss for them, right?

And we talked about their record last year. And every time this stuff happens, everybody's like, you know, we can just, you know, we can do it by committee, we can run offense through Shingoon, we can run offense. This is what they did in Phoenix, right?

We can run offense through Durant. We can run it through Beal. We can run it through Booker. And it's like, all right. I like having the organizer, you know, in charge of that. And that's why I thought Van Blit was, important. So I just think the teams that have very high expectations, so I would, I would mark those as

kind of ones that have the opportunity to not meet what the way they're being talked about. Cleveland, because, you know, they're unassailable, but like, they do have, they don't have a lot of depth and they're starting it out without Garland and Struz. Okay. And so that's one. And then obviously I feel like Atlanta and Houston are thrown into top-tier mixes in their conference a lot more often than and they've got new teams. So you never know. I mean, God, we should have learned last year. We should have learned with Phoenix.

Yes. There was no way it was going to be bad. There's two groups. There's Cleveland is the, we've seen it not working the playoff. three times in a row. And you can point back and say, look at the injuries we had and we're starting Sam Merrill in big games.

Fine. That's one side. But I think that you're this group of Rockets, Hawks, and I want to add the magic, it's just we haven't seen it yet. Just let me see it. I just want to see what it looks like. What does it like?

So it's always the teams that get pumped up a lot. Like, and those feel like the sexy ones this year that are getting pumped up a lot. And I want to be clear, we're not saying that it's not going to come to fruition. No, no, no. We're just, I just want to see it. I want to see it. Let me watch a few games before I decide.

Because those numbers are not based on something we have already seen. Yes. Right? Like, Orlando, I'll give them. I actually think they're maybe in a little bit of different class because at least I have seen those guys when they were all healthy be successful together. And it's still kind of the same guys. these other groups, right? Atlanta's a new group.

Houston's a new group. Cleveland obviously would fall more in the Orlando thing because you would just give them the benefit of the doubt because they won 60-something games last year. I'm just saying they're doing it. Three of the major nightly pieces to that are, you know, are Garland, Struth, and Jerome. That's three of them.

And so that's another, you know, change for them even. I also want to give Orlando the benefit of the doubt because they had two big injuries last year, three really. But like the Franz, Franz played great in Eurobasket. He's healthy. And they seemed like weird, freaky oblique injuries. It wasn't like torn ACLs or something, you know, or like Chris Staps where it's like, is you going to be on the floor? Because he has a history of not being on the floor. Whereas with those guys, I feel like it's just kind of an unlucky injury season last year.

And they added exactly what they needed, which is shooting. They were the worst three-point shooting team in the league. A lot of, a lot of Jace Rich. Richardson buzz, too, in training camp. Okay. I read a Jace Richardson article yesterday. I was like, all right. I loved his dad.

I did. I loved Jason Richardson. Who didn't? Next question. There was a magnum opus, not really a magnum opus, but a 4,000-word article about Victor 1 Benyama. Leading into the season. Of course, Victor 1 Benyama made headlines at Spurs Media Day by saying, nobody trained like he did.

And I agree. Nobody, I mean, I didn't see anybody else with monks. No one else was in China. Nobody else was in China, as far as I know. He looked like he was doing the Kill Bill thing. What are we making of this? Victor Winbenyama, the off-season program. And by the way, now there's pictures of him being taller.

Like everything is like something out of a storybook, right? where it's like and then he had a blood clot and then he trained in a way that no one else has ever trained oh yeah and also he's not even 7.5 anymore he might be like 7.8 He's 9 feet tall. I really think Victorim

Women Yama is going to have a great year this year and I think the spurs are going to win a lot of games but I will say I didn't like him saying I trained harder than anybody else because he doesn't know that. You know what I mean? And I'm sure he trained hard, but I just felt it was a little, it was an odd thing to say. And Lucas Men's Health article was sort of a bikini post on Instagram for the person of

one, your ex-boyfriend. It was kind of just like, F you, Dallas Mavericks, look at me now. You know what I mean? But this one was the same thing. It was a total puff piece. Wimbenyama's the best. He's amazing.

Let's go through his summer. It's full of quotes of how hard he works and how intelligent he is and how mature he is. And when you see an interview with him, he speaks like, like he's someone with a lot more life experience and wisdom than someone of his age. And I do believe in his intellect and maturity.

But I just thought it was, I wouldn't have done this if I was him. I wouldn't have done this. this if I was him. I wouldn't have said, I worked harder than everybody else. I wouldn't have said, hey, New York Times, let's do a whole article. New York Times is probably the biggest paper in the country. I don't know.

We can argue about that, but who cares? Let's do a whole article about how great my summer was and how hard I trained. And this is what he did this summer per the article. He went to China with the monks. We saw that. Also in Japan. And I, I don't know if they've reported this, but, you know, my high schoolist girlfriend had the same thing.

And she had a surgery to sort of like, because there's a clavicle bones rubbing against the vein. I have no idea if he had this surgery. But when I talked to her, she was like, oh, yeah, I know exactly the surgery he's going to have. I had it. I believe he had that surgery at some point, probably early in the summer, and that's why he went overseas and didn't work out as much.

I'm not reporting this. I'm totally speculating. I have no inside information outside of talking to my ex-girlfriend from high school. Okay. But I think a surgery was involved because that is something that happens, typically with that blood clot. You still talk to your ex-girlfriend from high school? We, like, we reconnected and had lunch.

And there was like two days later, when we got hurt. We're not like checking in on each other every day. Did your wife care? No, not at all. No, no. Didn't care. Didn't even ask a question when I got home.

She did not care at all. She's like, nobody wants you, dude. Then he visits the Space Center. So he's talking about like how the- Did that hear your feeling that she didn't care? No, not at all. Not at all. No.

Not at all. I know where I'm at. In my relationship with the world, like Victor Mibon, Yama learned with the monks in China in my relationship with her. I'm pretty secure. Then he goes to the space center. So not only does he become one with the world and humanity,

he goes to the space center to become one with space. I saw the Martian for the first time yesterday. Become one with space. Have you ever seen the Martian? I watched it yesterday. It was an awesome movie. This part I found interesting. He works out with Harrison Barnes and Nick LaRouche, I hope I'm saying his name,

right? And they do something called the constraints-led approach. It's essentially like we've all seen like a Chris Brickley Instagram account where someone does the same move like three times. Like I learned this new move in this spot. But they work out with like more game time read and react flow situations. I mean, obviously I don't have the details. I've never been in on one of these. But it sounds really cool.

And I really actually did like that. I think that sounds great. La Roach was the assistant for the Grizzlies last year that installed that offense. That whole read and react, no ball screens, whatever. Yeah, that was him. that was him same guy that got fired at the same day Taylor Jenkins

yeah great well he was working out with wemby he was a player development guy for a long long I really like that just the concept I read two paragraphs about it you know I'm not like sitting in on workouts but I just thought it was really cool it sounded cool because a lot of time you see

them working out it's like I'm gonna nail this move with no defense you know I thought it was really cool and then he worked his ass off and apparently he grew to like 7-8, as you said. That was his, that was his summer. When you say that you rubbed you the wrong way for him to say that he worked harder than everybody else. Do you think that's because, do you think that Zion is sitting there going,

Joe Dumars locked me in his basement and didn't feed me for three months? It was chained to a radiator. He didn't. He was dropping me. A plate of kale would come in under the door slot once a day. Like Buffalo Bill. He was lowering it down. He trapped me for the last.

How do you know we're talking to everybody else? How do you know? Like, you don't know. All you have to say is, I worked my ass off this summer. I'm ready to go. Why are you bringing the rest of the league into it? Why? Yeah.

I just didn't like it. It seemed like for someone who was so measured and mature, I just thought it was misplayed. And I also think, like, to invite the New York Times to do a whole piece about it, It's like, that's a choice. Like, you actively did that. Like, what, to what ends, to what goal?

What goal do you want? You want everyone to respect how hard you work? Yes. There's a lot of quotes. There's a lot of quotes from teammates about how amazing it is and its intellect and his work ethic. And I believe them all, but it just seemed a little thirsty. I'm more interested in the monk angle. Yeah.

He was playing basketball against the monks. That's not fair. Can the monk, too? Well, also, aren't they wearing robes? I saw in the news last week a Tibetan monastery, like, they did a drug raid. Like all these dudes were on like crystal meth or something. I'm like, what? Tibet monks.

Oh, man. That sounds awful. Do crystal meth and sit cross-legged for four hours? It sounds awful. Unless you're Aaron Rogers. It's Iowa. Okay. Let me just say, I complained about his shot attempts last year.

So I looked up the numbers. Attempts at the rim, 178, 3 to 10 feet, 111, 10 to 16, 81, 16 to the three point line, 35. Three point shots, 403. He shot 454 shots that weren't threes and 403 shots that were threes. He's 7.4. Like, I don't want to sound like the old school guy, but like, if something, needs to change, how about you just get closer to the basket? Because you're the tallest person on the court every time you step in the court.

And you've got these long strides, you can get to the basket and get fouled. I feel like he doesn't want to get fouled and it's so much easier to shoot from the outside than it is to like get in there and get dirty. It's just easier. All right. All right. Well, here's next question. Now that the Warriors have their actual team, which is the exact team that we all knew it was going to be. Oh, and they've got to be so happy.

I'm sure when comminga walked in, they just had a huge hug. Oh, I was loved to say. He doesn't want to be there. They don't really want him there. Everyone's laughing and catching up and he walks in the room dead silence. Hey, John. Do they call him John?

He just looks like a John. No one's ever called him John Kaminga, but maybe we should start. John K. J.K. J.K. Routlings, I don't know what to call. But now they have an actual team, How do you think the season plays out?

They're older. There's no way around that. Oh, they're older. They're old across the board. Probably, again, we're going to do the assuming hell. I think the Warriors could be a absolutely awesome playoff team that probably won't take the regular season super serious. That's what I'd guess.

That's what I'd guess. and that if you get to the playoffs, you do not want to see them. It's just a lot of institutional knowledge. I mean, hell, they went game one on the road to beat Minnesota. If Curry doesn't get hurt, I'll always believe they would have won that series. It happens, it happens.

But I think we would have looked at last year once the Jimmy Butler thing came to be. And you look at their record once they got Butler. They were cracking. And if you got Curry and you got, Draymond and you've got you know you've got Curry Draymond and Butler and now you've added you know

Al Horford how many of Arminati's going to give you and you got these other wings and then we'll see what happens with the Camingo the Camingo thing like no I I could see the Warriors being fantastic I would wonder if they will be able

to stay healthy because of the age thing and also how important it is for them to win in immense amount of regular season games. I could see that not being that big of a deal. I also think they are a team that when the playoffs come around, they're like the nightmare. Like you just don't want. If they're all healthy, you're not, I think they are a playoff team. But over the course of 82 games, I'm unsure that a team that veteran laden is going to care. I'm glad you say that because everyone

is like, well, since they got Jimmy Butler, this was their record. But they're not going to scale that for the entire regular season. They were sprinting for position. They were motivated. Those were like playoff games, all of them. That's right. A team like this, I think it's like me in high school. Like, what do I need to do?

Get a B minus? Cool. You know what I mean? I'll get, I'll get, I'll get an 80 in every class. You know what I mean? To like stay out of trouble at home. And I think that was really, it's like, they're going to do just enough to stay above the line

where they're in trouble of not being in the playing or the playoff. And like I think they're one of those Oklahoma City or Cleveland or whoever You know you saw them during the regular season And you were like oh god Like I'm not sure that it's going to be like that I think they'll I think like a lot of vet teams They will expend the

Minimum amount of energy to get the win Right And then you're going to be able to catch them a lot Like during the regular season I would just be surprised if they rolled off like some crazy record regular season-wise, and that's not a demerit to them. I think it's going to be, you know,

keep it all healthy, and then by the time you get to the playoffs, I think they will be formidable. That's what I'd guess. Yeah, they'll be on the road in their playoffs. Jimmy Butler has never cared about the regular season. Never. No, no.

His stats, the season and playoffs are, wow. He was like if one year, when he was in the heat, I think it was like three or four years ago, four years ago, he was the worst jump shooter the league. Yeah.

The worst jump shooting in the league. And then the playoffs come and he's just like 45% from three, just like knocking down 20 footers left and right. Yeah. I think that this is a, I think this is a playoff basketball team. They've just got to make it to it healthy. Yes. That's what I'd guess.

Bill Nye, the science guy, was at Celtics Media Day and revealed that Jalen Brown was at his Hollywood Walk of Fame induction and even spoke at the induction. They have, like, Twitch streamed together. I think they have a show together. Done science projects together. And Jalen Brown is all about Bill and I, the science guy. If you could have a relationship with someone that you watched on TV growing up, it would be. Bill Cosby's out.

Oh, God. Pee-Wy Herman's out. Oh. So, can't cross those off the lists. Did you watch the pee? Doc. I did watch that this summer. I didn't watch the doc. Oh, you got to. I didn't watch the show when I was a kid, but the doc seemed a little dark.

No, you got to watch the doc. I watch the doc. I love docs. Oh, it's great. I only like Docs when there's murders in it, though, really. Like, if there's no murder, I'm like, what are we doing here? But I'll watch that one. I'll watch that one. It is so weird that he went through it, like, basically like, you know, because the good thing about that, that was my childhood as well, he went through that whole time. Like, if he was on a show, like, you know, he was on David Letterman or he was. He was on Regis and Kathy Lee or whatever. He was Pee Wee Herman.

Like he lived this character until he got caught, you know, jerking off or whatever. I was wondering how you're going to phrase that. And then he was Paul Rubin's. And it was like in a theater, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a weird spot. Oh, it's for sure weird. It's for sure weird.

But I mean, and anyways, that documentary is really good. Pewey Herman himself. Imagine being the cop that got that, like, All right, Rogers, you're going to be in Midtown. Stevens, you're going to be on the block. Jacoby, you're going to the theaters to get people trick it off. I'd be like, oh, I said, what did I do wrong? I really like, I really like that one.

And then the other one, you know, you would ask me about TV, and I always forget whenever I'm talking to you, but I was with my, I was with my dad the other night. And I was telling him that I watched that one that's on HBO, my mom, Jane. there was like a commercial for Law and Order. Mariska Harcatee. Yeah, yeah.

You know, from Law and Order. She's at every next game, by the way. No one talks about that. So her mom was like the bombshell, you know, in the, like, 5060. Oh, I saw something about that. Jane Mansfield. Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar. She never talked about it, never had nothing to do with it.

She died in a car wreck when she was very young. She was actually in the car when the mom died. The mom was like the next one. Marilyn Monroe, the whole thing, right? And so she goes and finds her brother's sisters and there's like basically like an archive, like a trailer filled with everything about her mother. And she decides, and Mariska Hargitay is, you know, older now. And she decides, I'm going to learn everything about what I never cared about or never

thought about my mom. And she did this documentary called My Mom Jane. it is unbelievable. Unbelievable. I was shocked. I was telling my dad about it the other night. He was like, because I was like,

you know, do you remember Jane Mansfield? I mean, I didn't want to say like, hey, did you have those playboys? And that was right. This is during the Cowboys Packers tie.

You should have heard me telling my dad about bad bunny. Oh, my God. You know what he said? I don't want to know what he said. He said they should have gotten Shambuzi. What he told me? What's the third song if he gets Shibuzi?

What's the third song he plays? I didn't know his name three days and three years ago. It is a different guy. This is a different guy. This is Shambuzy. That's what my dad said. Shambuzy. He's like, he's great.

I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. Somehow we've politicized bad money being the Super Bowl guy. I mean, who cares? I don't know, whatever. So I'm glad you mentioned James Manfield And Playboy in the teenage years Because I went off the beaten path

With the childhood person that I would want to have a relationship with And it was You know, we're the same age And if you're like in your 20s, you're listening to this You have no idea the pop culture force that That music television MTV was Like MTV now is like It's nothing.

Like the MTV, the BMA is like don't even like make a difference. But when I was 14 or 15, that's the only channel that I watched. And they would move markets. They would, they would, you could pay MTV to, to turn someone into a star. It was like the only channel on the dial. And there was one show called Club MTV hosted by the person I want a relationship, downtown Julie Brown, Wobba, Wobba, Wobba, do you remember this show?

Bro, it was, you could have a relationship with her. It was like, but what I'm saying is, is this show. John Serious. She is? I had Serious in my car, and she was like hosting the whatever 80s or 90s channel. Good for her.

And I, no, I freaked out when I heard it. I'm like, holy hell, that's downtown Julie Brown. And the show is essentially her tossing to a song, and then they'd have like 60 dancers in a room on various platforms dancing to the song, and they're the most perverted cameramen in the world. Like the human rights violations that these cameramen were performing on a daily basis, this would never go over today in 2025. And when you're like 14 and you're coming home from school,

I think it was on at 3 o'clock, you're just glued to the TV set watching downtown Julie Brown. She was impactful for my childhood. Dude. You're going to love this. You're going to love this story. So it's a very, very famous author. Stephen King.

you almost as popular. You're aware of Michael Lewis. Yeah, of course. Wrote Moneyball, wrote what was the one about the big short, Michael Lewis, the blindside, all kinds of things, right? When Michael Lewis was writing the blindside, that's 100 years ago, right? He was in Memphis a lot. And one night, I am sitting by Michael Lewis at the Grizzlies game.

He's next to me in Media Row. and we just talked all night about all kinds of stuff, right? About just about all kinds of stuff. And at one point, we started to talk about our families or whatever else. And he starts talking to me about, you know, his wife. And he's like, you know, my wife used to be involved in media, whatever. And I was like, oh, really?

I was like, who's your wife? And he's like, Tabitha Soren? And I was like, no way. Yes. No way. I was like, you're married to Tabitha Soren. Michael Lewis and Tabithasorin? I said, no way.

No way. I loved your wife. It was the craziest thing. Yeah, look it up. I remember when you say Michael Lewis to be, I remember he was on HBO arguing with the guys from Deadspin about like sports journalism. No, no, no, that was Bud Bissinger. Oh, that's right.

I want to apologize to Lewis family and the. Soren family. Yeah, that's the, that's the guy that wrote Friday Night Lights. Yes, that's right. That's right. I want to apologize. Let me make sure they're still married because I don't want to go set out there.

I hope so. I hope so. Michael Lewis, American author. He is 64 years old. He is. Oh, this is good.

He married Tabitha Soren in 1997. He is still married. Still married. So they're working on 30 years in a couple of eight years. God bless them. Huh. Unbelievable. Three kids.

Tabison? God. Unbelievable. I should have three kids. Yep. But they, yeah. Oh,

my God. You should have seen my face when he said that. We'll get this back on the rails. Moving on to the next question. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Back on the rails. Did Quinton Grimes just make a huge mistake? I don't think so. Oh. Oh. Okay. Pitch me on this. All right, so because I don't think they're going to screw around with his minutes the same way that, like, Camus is in danger of it and Comingo was going to be in danger of it.

I think Caminga knew exactly what was going to happen. So I better get as much money as I possibly can, even if it's short term. Because the reason I say this is because they were just so not close. I have been in this situation where I have been insulted as well by like, I got offered. I thought I was worth a lot more, and then I wasn't, and then your ego gets involved. It sucks. It sucks. Yes.

It's the worst feeling ever. And so they were like talking 30 million. Then they were talking 20 or 25 million. Then they were talking, okay, 17 million. Like, maybe we could. And by all accounts, this is what I read in Mark Stein's substack? The offer was four years 39 million at like the last minute. What?

Yeah. Four years, $39 million? Yeah. That's insulting. I think so, too. So to your question, knowing the circumstances, like, so Camp Thomas, by all accounts, had the opportunity to seal himself up a lot of money in the future, right? Like, a lot.

And I just don't think there's any way, you know, Quentin Grimes is going to do worse than four and 39 in any scenario. like going forward. Like, just play it out. Because you, I mean, test robbery injuries aside, he could always point back to the tape that he had at the end of last year.

He always point back to that. Whereas the Thomas thing, when the numbers would come out about him or the comminga thing, even with the number he got, I was sitting there going, bro, there's a real chance that number's not there.

Yes. By all count, like I would, I would bet on myself if I'm, Quentin Grimes, that my number is way better than that. I mean, look, at worst, he is a fringe starter, outstanding bench player. Now, I understand he did what he did where he popped off at the end of last year, where they're losing every night.

Do you remember George Yang? Do you remember what George Yang said to him? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When he's in the foul line, he was just like, you know, Paul and Joel are here. You're standing in the corner. Right. Got a point. Which is true.

but again, a fringe starter slash bench player can still make 15 to 20 million a year. Don't make me do the math. 9.25. Yeah, 9.25 is the annual average, right, for 39 over 4. Look, he might have been wrong that he's a $25 million player. 9.7. He might have been wrong. He's a $25 million player.

I think Giddy got $25, right? He might be wrong about that. but he's not wrong that he's not a 439 player. I also think that even if he doesn't get a lot of minutes and doesn't really perform super great this season, if you are a GM or a front office, you can't convince yourself that he's a $15 million play. Also, the McCain injury helps him.

Yeah, I mean, McCain will be back. But he's the third guard. There's nothing really in his way. There's Maxie and Wedgcomb, right, that are going to play ahead. He's going to get opportunities. He's going to pull. He's going to get minutes and they're trying to win.

You sold me on that one. You sold me on that one. That's low. I didn't realize that I didn't read the 39 for four. Like, I wouldn't do that. That's a million in a quarter less than he signed for the qualifying. To me, it's worth the gamble if you're quitting. That's fair.

Therefore, not a mistake. Not a mistake. Yep. All right. Next one. Where does Cooper Flag rank in terms of players? I will go out of my way to watch this. season. Over the course of the season, he probably won't be number one, but in the first three

weeks, he's number one. Number one. I just want to see it. I mean, I just want to see it. And I'm sure you've seen the practice video. And I'm not going to sit here and be like in base like my opinion of him as a basketball player based on like the team released practice video where he hits all of his shots. But the first thing he does in the practice video, he's in a chair. And then he does like a squat against the wall. And I was like, that mother is tall. Like he is tall. He's long. Like he's, for what he does and the skills that he has in the basketball court, that height is going to serve him really, really well.

Jacob, when he was, when he was 16 years old, me and my son went to EYBL, right before the Peach Jam. I went to a game and watched the kid block 14 shots. That's insane. Fourteen. It was otherworldly. I came on the mismatch and told Kevin at that time, I said, that is the best 16-year-old basketball player I've ever seen my life. Well, I go with him before the show. I go with him before the show.

He's 18 years old, bro. 18 years old. Yeah. No, I saw him at 16 and I was like, this dude. That was two years ago. Ridic- It was two years ago. Yeah. I also think that.

Unbelievable. I think that's going to be a rough rookie season. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think an 18-year-old that's not LeBron James and he's coming to the NBA and sort of like be a net net, net positive, positive for a team. but man, he's... Because he was a reclass kid. But he reclassed.

He should have been a senior in high school last year. Instead, he was the national college basketball player of the year. In a college basketball era where Auburn was like 30 years old across the board. He's already... Good point. Like, you are playing against adults in college basketball now in a way that you were not prior to. I mean, I can't tell you how many, every day goes by. And it's like, the NCAA, you know, has granted somebody a sixth year.

And it's like, he's 26. And I'm like, what are they still playing college? Well, I also love that, did you see the AD's gain so much weight? Oh, yeah. That's noticeably different. Noticeably different. Kendrick Perkins was running him down for it. He's criticizing him for it, Kendrick Perkins.

I mean, I think that professional athletes know what they're doing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's nice. But one thing I like about AD being on the team, and they obviously have Lively and Gaffert is that puts flag on the wing. You know, I don't want an 18-year-old kid, like, you know, guarding Alpern-Singoon. You know what I mean?

It's just like, what are we doing? Like, I like that he's going to be in, like, that three spot on the wing and more on the perimeter because. So you think he'll be at the very top of your list, at least for the first three weeks. For the first three weeks, I'll be watching Mads games just to see what he looks like. He's one of the best prospects we've seen. I mean, between. For sure.

Wemby, Zion. LeBron, him. And last year was such a dud. We were not going out of our way to watch Risa Shays. Sar. Please. And Reed Shepard wasn't even playing. That was the third pick. Weird. It was a weird. The idea that Banblee goes down,

it was like, well, Reed Shepard's going to step into that spot. They literally didn't play them last year. He was a strange. Strange deal. Last question. Yep. And it's important. All right. Last year on the show, you said you were out on Zion. Out. You declared.

You bullied me last week about... I know. You're making me stick to it. I'm going to tell you a story before I asked a question. I was at ESPN at the time, and they had a behind the scenes with Zion at Duke. It was sort of like one of those 30-minute, like 24-7, whatever you want to call it. You know, training camp. What's the NFL one I love so much?

Hard knocks. Hard knocks. It's like one of those with Duke. And there was a scene where they were all in a pool. Zion was in the pool with a t-shirt. Like, huh, it's weird. Maybe he's not confident about the way he looks with his shirt off. A t-shirt on the beach guy.

T-shirt in the pool guy. Maybe he's just comfortable in a t-shirt in a pool, but no one is. But that was years ago, and he's famously sort of gotten in shape this summer. I think he's in Australia, and he's taking a picture with a fan in Australia with his shirt off. Came out today. I saw. And man, man, are you back in on Zion? He looks good.

You keep bullying me. I'm the one that told you he looks so skinny and I don't want to, but like I can't help myself. I just want to see where you are. We'll do it. We'll do a check monthly. I mean, you saw the picture I saw. Mm-hmm. And I mean, I did.

I declared a year ago. I'm done with this. I can't do it anymore. Now, if he gets hurt three weeks into the season, I'm going to tell you, I should have, you know. What if I said he's lost a lot of weight, so the joints and the muscles and tendons are not going to have to bear that much weight? Well, or you're better convincing that, like, hey,

he wants to hit literally every incentive in this contract and he wants to get another big contract. And you know. Money motivates these guys? Come on. And Joe Dumars is like on his ass. And he's found. GLP ones

The GLP Pelicans The GLP Pelicans Oh I think so Oh shut up Give me a break You don't lose that much weight that fast I'm not a professional athlete But I think that would mess with you

I'm not gonna put that I think it's probably is it even Is it might be on the band substance list It's not on the band substance list I don't understand how those things work It's just like oh you don't feel hungry Your stomach fakes you into thinking you're not hungry Really?

Yeah just it was no it's like it suppresses your, what's it called? Your wants. You know what I mean? Because a lot of people have reported that it's helped them with, you know, alcohol or tobacco or whatever. What about your sex drive? I don't know.

I can't speak to that. I mean, come on. You're my age. I get freaking testosterone ads every day. I'm like, I'm like, you sons of bitches. I can't even look at Instagram anymore. And they're like,

do you crash in the after? afternoon. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, that's the worst. And I'm like, are you fatigued? Do you find that you lose energy? Do you have a lower sex drive? Like, do you have a receding hair line? All of it.

Yeah, of course. But isn't that just being 40s? And then they're like, buy this. Yeah, by this thing. Frank Thomas is there. I'm like, what is going on? Why is the big hurt trying to make me buy some bills? I can't even like look at Instagram without the telling me like literally every.

I'm like, all right, I got that you like went through my Google search. and so you know that I'm looking for a golf launch monitor. But now it's gotten to the point where you're telling me exactly how I feel. Like, come on. It's like, do you lose mental focus? Are you fatigued? All of it. Yes.

Are you not as happy as you used to be? Do you lower sex drive? Do you not have the same energy in the gym? Leave me alone. Leave me alone. Is your name David Jacoby? I'm like, what? What?

What? Is your social? My address is in there? Frank Thomas. How do you know my address? It's tough now, man. It is tough. Too targeted.

It's kind of too targeted for us. All right. Jacoby, it is always a pleasure. Thanks to our executive producer, Jesse Lopez, as always. I'll talk to you next week.