The Mismatch - The Zero Hangover Thunder, Steph Leaves Under Armour, and Jokic’s Otherworldly Performances

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Verno and Jacoby are back as they dive directly into their loves and loathes from the past week in the NBA. (00:00) Welcome to The Mismatch!(03:07) Verno's and Jacoby’s no. 1 loves of the week(16:06) Verno's and Jacoby’s no. 1 loathes of the week(21:38) No. 2 loves of the week(24:19) No. 2 loathes of the week(32:45) No. 3 loves of the week(41:30) No. 3 loathes of the week(43:58) No. 4 loves of the week(53:31) No. 4 loathes of the week(01:05:38) No. 5 loves of the week The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Leave us a message on our Mismatch Voicemail line! [phone] Hosts: Chris Vernon and David Jacoby Producers: Jessie Lopez and Brian Waters Social: Keith Fujimoto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the mismatch. I'm Chris Vernon. And joining me, he does every week from The Ringer.com is Dave Jacoby. Jacoby. What's happening in Vernon? We are recording this on Thursday night. Not a huge slate, not a great slate, but where are we at in the games as we're about to start recording. The Raptors beat the Cavs in Cleveland. The Cavs tried to make it interesting.

It kind of failed. It was a pretty impressive showing from the Raptors. As it currently stands, we have the Hawks beating the Jazz. and the sons who I might have adopted as a little team that I like beating the Pacers. Sons have had good vibes recently. I know. Really good vibes. And look,

their owner cannot wait to be brash. Oh, he wants to be brash so badly. Right. Isfews he's already jumping on Twitter. Season just started. But then he would be the arson that celebrates putting the fire out. It's like, I am the arson and I want to be celebrated for putting the fire out.

They've got, look, they've got guys that, like, really compete on that team. And I do think it, you feel like, especially after games, like when you see the Dylan Brooke stuff and you see the Grayson Allen stuff, that's two guys that I've covered in the past. Like, those guys, there's something underrated about having guys that really care about the outcome every night. Like, they compete. And I do think it permeates your team. when you have a maximum amount of competitors. And sometimes it can just be three or four guys.

The guys that are mad at halftime, the guys that are mad after the game, and I do think it carries over to the others. I mentioned this in a previous podcast, but I just feel like the sons are getting B plus performances from all of their B players. And the rising tide is just rising all, floating all of the boats. You're listening to The Mismatch, presented by, Fandul. Fandul now displays your bets directly on your phone's locked screen.

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Start with it. I want to hear it. You want me to start with the sons? Yeah, I want you to start with it. We're right on it. Now I want to know who you mentioned in your love. I love that Mark Williams has become exactly what the Lakers needed, but for the Sons. And I don't want to talk about the Lakers on this, but I will say this. Mark Williams came to like national recognition because he was traded to the Lakers and then pushed back.

Shout to Dalton Connect. And in his eight straight starts, he's averaging 12 points, 8.5 boards, 1.3 assists, it gets a block of game, right? But he's shooting 62 from the floor, but what's really impressive to me is this is a player that knows what he is on the floor to do. Rim run, catch, dunk.

Like, he's not ISOing. He's not posting up. He's not trying to create his own shot. He's not trying to playmake. It is like, I am the center of this team, and I will go towards the basket, and my playmakers will get me the ball. And another thing I love about him,

and I think this comes with age, because we watch a lot of centers in the league, is he'll get out in transition. When you're watching the Sons, watch Mark Williams, a lot of people in that position will trail the play, but he leads the play in transition.

And I've just been really impressed by him and what he has done with the Sons. And it's an indicator of what Royce O'Neill is doing and Grayson Allen is doing. It's like they're all sort of like a playing above their expectations, which has the Sons above their expectations, which is early in the season,

a little bit of a good story. And it looks. looks like they're not going to be really good, but they're not going to be terrible. Exactly. Right? Yes. And I think that terrible was super on the table to start the year. And so they have been a pleasant surprise thus far.

And the vibes are good. Like you watch these teams and the vibes are good with the sons. That seems to be a group that likes each other. They've got a bunch of kind of 20 sums on that team. And then there's a mixture of some cool vets. And Booker's playing extremely well. Again, the vibes are good to start the season. When I saw the roster, I thought it was going to be like

Suns win if Booker gets 40. I thought I was going to be like a Booker-based team where it was like, if he plays out of his skis, out of his head, then we're going to be good. But it is much more of a team effort. And I think this is a collective, and I'm never good at this saying, where the sums equal more than the part. How does that work? Do you know it?

Yeah. the sum is greater than the parts. I don't know that one. That's it. I always try to use it. You got it. Trust me. I tried to spell exercise today.

And it kept saying I was, it kept saying it was wrong. I kept underlying it. And my body kept saying it was wrong. No, I just tried to spell it. And I couldn't even do it. All right. So my first love is going to be.

I'm not a speller. I'm squeak aside. Like, I get words. so wrong that the AI is like, I don't even know what you're trying to do. You know what I get the red squiggly line. And it's like, I have no suggestions for you. I don't know what language this is. Oh, we don't have to get deep into this. But you have your daughters now, obviously your son who's in school as well. Like, I don't know how many parents we have that are listening to this show right now, but I would just like to express to all the

parents out there. When you look at your kids' homework and feel like the biggest idiot in the world, you are not alone. You're not. Chat GBT is your friend. Chat GBT is your friend. Because I mean, my sixth grade daughter asked me to help her the last week. And I was like, I've never been more humiliated.

I had no chat. Not only did I. Not only could I not help. I had no chance at helping. I'm like, how did I even, how am I even a person? How am I even like a person? All right.

I wonder that every time we do a pod, but continue. The first love, the zero hangover, Oklahoma City Thunder. I mean, aren't you supposed to, especially like with Jalen Williams had to jump in, like crash the post game, you know,

a walkoff interview to remind everybody that he's still alive. But they've been without him to start this season. And theoretically, it's like, okay, now you're that game that's circled every single night, right? The defending champs are coming to town. And they've been without guys. And like last year, obviously, they were without Chad Holmgren for a majority of the season. They've started this year off with the guy who dropped 40 in the finals and it has been high on all of those rankings, right? This guy was like top 10, top 20 player in a lot of the rankings to start the season. And he has a bit available.

And it's just like, oh, okay, we'll just play AJ Mitchell and still be awesome. And so it was one thing for me to see them in person on Sunday and watch them beat up the Grizzlies. That's no great shakes, right? That's not all that impressive. The Grizzles held their own during that game. Let's be fair. And then the Grizzlese turned around three quarters. But I mean, look, but then they got stomped out by the Knicks and the Celtics.

So again, that's not that impressive to beat the crap out of the Grizzlies. But then you turned around and beat the crap out of the Warriors and had some quotes after that from the opposing team. And then everybody had something to say about how disappointed they were in the Lakers game on the Lakers side, right? 126-102 versus the Warriors, 121 to 92 versus the Lakers. They have a point differential thus far of plus 15.5 and they're 12 and 1 and the one we came on the air here and talked up because Denny Addiya put the team on his back after they were down 22 and stormback and won that game against them. The Portland game. That's the one. A game that Oklahoma City. A road back to back missing guys. And they were up 22.

Yeah. Right. And so this like no hangover whatsoever when you know you're theoretically getting everybody's best shot. This has been crazy. And then this felt like two statements this week, right? These could be, you're playing the Warriors and you're playing the Lakers and they just boat race both of them. Like you are not competition for us. So I'm going to break format and add one of my loves here, which is the Thunder defense, because it really came to mind last night. I was fascinated watching that Lakers game. I was absolutely fascinated by the Thunder defense. And they're missing some of their best defenders.

There was a Luca Donchage pocket pass. And we all know it. Like I know it first from like a Stockton Malone. You know, you take the pick. The two defenders are kind of like in between you and you pass between them to the roll guy, right? We've all seen it a million times. James Harden does it very well. A casual little pocket bounce pass in between the two defenders.

We've seen a million times. Luca had one in like the second quarter and it was stolen. And it was just like, Luca himself was kind of like, oh, that always goes through. He's used to the rhythm of the game where that pass is a pass that gets to Aiton. And Austin did it later too, where he had Aiton says me a screen. I'm going to go off it to my right and I'm a thorough bounce pass in between the two defenders. And his was stolen too. like things that players are used to getting away with on offense,

you cannot get away with against the thunder. And there's some numbers like, you know, their opponent's turnover rate is 15.4%. Which is 15.4% sounds like a low number, but that is an extremely high number to take the basketball from the other team. And I do want to mention, and before I'm finished with my, like, I love the Thunder Defense. They are a swarming amount of wings,

but I think it's important to recognize what Hartenstein has done this year. Like, he has been an absolute rebounding god. He leads the league in rebounding, and he's holding down the rim protection, all of the rebounding and everything you need from him. He's never going to jump off the screen at you with highlights, but he is just rebounding his ass off. And both Wallace is second in steals and AJ Mitchell is third in steals.

And I think they might not be their best defender. Think about that. Right. No, they, I mean, when I saw them, they've been without Jalid Williams and they've been without Lou Dord. And it's a good point on the Hartnstein thing. He also is that big bruiser that enables Chet to be the help defender and just fly around and block everything, right?

Right. I mean, and it will enable somebody like Chet to be able to win like a defensive player of the year type award one year. I mean, I saw it happen with the team that I covered with Jared Jackson Jr. and Stephen Adams. Right. Once, once you, you also saw it happen with Janice and Brooke Lopez when Brooke Lopez was a fully functioning human being. Great examples. You know, where like if you can get that four where he's like the fly around help defender, but he's not having to do all the dirty work stuff. That is devastating.

Devastating. And you, you don't. Mowbly as well. Mowbly does it with Allan. Alan kind of does all the stuff by the basket. Can all of these players, the Mowbys,

the Holmgrens, the Jerry Jackson Jrs, can they be your center? Yes. And Anthony Davis, I'll put in the same pack. But are they best if there is someone bigger, stronger?

Yep. to assist them in helping rim protect and rebound. And I think that this, this Thunder team, they've gotten to the point, Bruno, and this is something that happened me with the Warriors. Like, I can't, people are to get mad at me about this, and it's fine. I can't fight the way I feel. When I watch Thunder games, I root against them because they are so good.

It happened me with the Warriors when they were, like, at their peak. I was like, I'm going to watch this game. I want them to lose because that's interesting, because they are supposed to win. And watching the Lakers, I thought the Lakers had a shot. And it was like, they're five minutes in the game. I was like, this team has no shot.

I opened my Bandwool app and I was like, whatever the spread is, I'll take it. I will take it. There is something that is going on to amongst teams and it's going to be fascinating to see how, how this season plays out in terms of who will be the Daryl Moore. that says, you know what, to hell with it? Everybody, they're unbeatable, but I'm at least going to load up and I'm going to take my

crack at it because I think there's a lot of teams that are just getting disenfranchised. They look at it and they go, look how far away we are from that, right? Like, I mean, we're like, we need to be on a different timeline here than this timeline that they're on because how are you ever going to beat them? That is exactly what happened with the Warriors. There weren't a bunch of people that were going, we need to, improve ourselves. They were sitting there going, what's the point of improving ourselves greatly? We still wouldn't be as good as them, right? And so it does change the trajectory of

franchises, but it seems like Houston obviously has gone for it. Denver has to. Every year you've got Yokage, you have to. But it'll be interesting to see if the other ones sit there and make aggressive moves that you might make if you felt like it was more open. Because it doesn't feel open. It feels like it's them and it's Denver and it's everybody else. It does feel that way for like a regular season standings aspect,

but like let's not forget they went seven with Denver and Denver hobbled into the seventh game. They went seven with the Pacers. The Pacers. You know what I mean? Like not like not some chugg or not Cavs team. Like like this is a very beatable team.

So I don't see it as the thunder and everybody else. but the way they have started this season, it's not just wins. It's the way they win. It's not just what you do is how you do it. What they did to the Lakers last night was shocking. It was shocking.

First loathe. Willie Green not getting announced at games. And then being asked, I just got, like, it just gave me all the sads. Like, really,

he seems like a super nice guy. Like, say whatever you want about his coaching or his coaching acumen. Like, I don't honestly, you could put, but you can dig up Red Auerbach. He's not winning games with them.

Okay. So I give him a pass on if you feel like when he had a group that he didn't succeed, but I mean, he's been married to the Zion Fat and Injured era at New Orleans. And then the Brandon Ingram thing. And they've had some good. And then obviously last year went to hell with all the injuries and whatever. And it's like,

if the idea is they're really not saying his name because, he gets booed when they say his name. It's just the whole thing. I just, I got so uncomfortable watching him being asked about his name not being announced and was that his choice. And I was like, damn, man. Like, what did he do? Like, what did he do wrong?

Really? You think it's Willie. You think Willie Greens are reaching the Pelicans aren't good? Yeah. Okay. Okay. It's, we all know that he's not going to be the Pelicans coach next. here, right? And it's one of the media ways, and I don't want to take any shots at whoever

asked the reporter. I don't know their name or whatever. Like, God bless everyone that does this job. But it's a reasonable thing to ask. It is. But it's, but it's one of those things that you ask where it's the subtext that you're really asking. Like, is the team disassociating themselves with you is the question. But you can frame it as, hey, normally you get introduced, but now you're not. How do you feel? feel about that. And I would do the same thing if I was in their shoes. I'm not trying to criticize them. But what it really is, it's the writing is on the wall. We all know how this is going to end up. So how can I sort of ask that without asking it? That's how I feel this is.

I also think it's bogus not to announce his name. If he gets booed, he gets booed. But dude, that's bogus. To me, that's worse. Honestly, I would rather have, because I could write it off to like, oh, these people are goofy, right? But not announcing my. name at all. Like you're not protecting me. Now it's a thing. Now it's a thing. Why are we changing the modus operandi of what we normally done? Because then you give people a reason to ask the question. So I do agree with you there. But I will say this is like, if you're a Pelicans fan, there are some things to be excited about. I think Derek Queen is like kind of exciting. And I think fear is kind of exciting. It's like, yeah, maybe this timeline or this window

that we thought we had didn't work out, but there are things to show up at the arena and watch if you're a Belkin's faith. I agree. Your first loat. If I'm an NBA basketball franchise, I am not trading for Anthony Davis. And just because Nico got fired

and the right thing for the franchise to do, which I believe is my personal opinion, I believe the right thing to do is for them to fully buy into a Cooper flag timeline, right? And Anthony Davis doesn't match that. but why would one of the other 29 teams put together a package of salary and and or picks to trade for Anthony Davis? I don't understand why this is like the conversation of the last 48 hours. Can you explain a team that would trade for Anthony Davis when he is 54 million this year,

58 million next year, and 62 million with a player option in the third year? Why? To get off of a contract that you don't like would be the only reason. season, right? I've got this contract. Because like the Zach Lowe podcast, they were bringing up the whole Paul George thing, right? All right, we'll give you Paul George, you take it. You know what I'm saying? Like you match up salaries that you don't love.

So who does that benefit? No, I got you. I understand. I understand. Again, how about did you love the whole Nico was pressuring him to play and he could have torn his Achilles thing? Have you seen that one? Nico's pressuring him to get it. I don't understand what the GM's role in that is.

You've got a medical staff, you've got a head coach, and you've got a player. And the GM comes down from his like C-suite office and is like, hey, Anthony, you should probably play it tonight. Like, what? I don't understand that. I don't understand. It was bizarre. It was an odd thing. I feel like there's a lot of voices and influence on whether or not Anthony Davis plays basketball.

I don't know why the general manager is one of those. Yeah, pressuring him. I don't understand that. He was pressuring it. I don't think that happened. I'm just saying into the microphone. I do not think that happened. Hey, man, you got to play.

Look how goofy I look for trading Luca. You got to play. You did text me a photo of Anthony Davis. Oh, man. He got the James Hardin's side angle treatment with the Texas barbecue is good. He looked big, though. He did look big. Okay, Verno, I will say this, is you've been a human being your entire life.

There are certain angles and certain shots and certain things that make you look better than others. There's more flattering angles and shots on everyone that looks better than others, but the one that you texted me did not look good for Anthony Davis. It wasn't flattering, to say the least. The next love, the magic getting it together. Look, if nothing else, it's twice this week. My timeline was blessed with Orlando Magic. Orlando Magic.

Oh, Orlando Magic. I love that song. What a pop. And my guy Desmond Bain hit a game winner in the game that we talked about earlier this week. And then they turned around and they beat the Knicks. And it sucks at Palo got injured. But Desmond Bain had another good game. And so, look, you know how much I love Bain.

and I thought that that was a good acquisition for them and there's been some super growing pains to start this thing off. But they kind of got offensively going a little bit and it stinks it palos out. Now, who knows these soft tissue things? You never know how serious it could be. It's not that bad.

But the magic had been such good vibes for us the last couple of years. And I love the song. Not this year. They've been a bad vibe. And now they were good vibes again. And I love the memes and I love the song. And I love when they win the videos they put together.

And so the world's a better place when the magic are cracking. And I'm glad that they seemingly have gotten it back together to be more like the playoff team that they looked like for most of last year. That was the first loss that Nix had in Madison Square Garden. season. It was a back to back, but I think that's no excuse. But watching the game, I was thinking it wasn't really a back to back. I mean, what I'm saying is I was watching the game and I was like, the Knicks are going to get back in this. Every time, every time the Knicks made a mini run, like a 4-0 run, you know, basket, stop basket, the magic answered. And I think at one point it was like 102.95 or like 105, 98, something like that. And it seemed like they got close. Anthony Black

hits a three. And it's just like they were not. not the Knicks felt like they were going to challenge and every time they challenged the magic answered. And that was a, that was a win. I'm not going to say it's going to turn their season around. But that was a big win for the magic. Sure. You don't have a lot of those.

Yep. That's a good team on their home floor. And I was joking about it. Of course it was a back to back, but what your Knicks did to the Grizzlies was, I mean, it took the second half off and it's a home back to back too. So it's kind of like, yeah. Yeah.

All right. next loathe. My next loathe. This is something like quietly happening that people aren't really talking about because the team is winning. But if you take a look,

Cam Johnson has not really been the Cam Johnson that the Nuggets expected Cam Johnson to be. It's early. He's being worked in. I'm not saying that this is like a failure or they lost the trade. But what I am

saying is based on the games I have watched, based on the basketball that has happened in front of my face while I'm on the couch, I thought that Cam Jackson would be a, I'm sorry, Cam Johnson would be a much bigger part of what the Nuggets do. He played 25 minutes against the Warriors. That was like a few games ago. He had three shots and zero points. He was two for four against the Pelicans. He hasn't shot over 50%, not from three, from the field. since. And when you have someone like Yokic and Yokic, and I'll say it is again, like the rising tide that floats all the boats, there's a Yokage bump you get when you play with him. Ask Bruce Brown that like I expected from Ken Johnson. And I'm not saying it's not going to work out,

but like it is something I have my eye on. All right. Number one, I'll say give him time. It's a new team, new system, do everything. Right. And it's not fair. after, you know, 10 or 11 games to adjust to that and become whatever you're going to be within that. Totally agreed. But I can only speak on the basketball I've seen. Understood. The other devil's advocate is, hey, you're doing your job, bro, which is be guarded 30 feet away from the basket so the other guy can score 60. And he does. He does. Hey, if I can't run away from you, that is one less guy that can run away from, like, if, Cam Johnson never shoots the ball. As long as he is guarded 30 feet from the basket, it's a win.

It's a win. But he doesn't matter if he shoots. Just stand there. Like the non-counting stats. I got it. I don't see him like setting screens and, like, you know, flashing into passing lanes and helping out on defense. Like, it's not just scoring on offense.

Like, holistically, Cam Johnson. and doesn't feel like himself on this team yet. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, and it's natural for people to take some time to fit in. And also when the team is winning, it's like, what do you really want? I also thought he was a more just plug and play he could fit anywhere kind of guy, right? I expected more.

Yeah, yeah. There's always those kind of players where it's like, okay, like, and I got it. Like, he's a different type of player. But for years, it's like you could take Dorian Finney Smith, and you can put him on 30 teams and you'll find a role for him. And you can take Shane Badiere and you could put him on 30 teams. Mike Conley,

when he was a lot, it was like Mike Conno can be your point card. No matter who else is on the team, Mike Connolly will figure it out. So I just figured like Cam Johnson just work. Yeah, I just figured Cam Johnson was plug and play, but it has been a struggle thus far. But it's also, there's something to be said for like,

hey, the team is winning. So like, what are we really? What's the real problem here? Fair. My next loathe. Marcus Smart's Grizzly's comments. Come on, bro. Like, it's already been horrendous.

So I want to be honest with you. I saw this on the rundown. I intentionally did not see the comments. So I want you to enlighten me and the listeners as to what he said. I did not see them. I came back from injury and I got traded because they said I didn't want to be there. I'm injured. What do you mean I don't want to be here?

I'm here every day working my ass off, cheering. And I'm the only one on the best. bench coaching, but you know how it is. Control what you could control. And then it goes on, by the way, he played in 20 games the first year and then played in 19 more the second year. But he said that La Ravia and Smart, they got traded and then everything, you know, just before everything went downhill last year.

Memphis was the top three seat in the Western Conference. Then the coach got fired. Then another guy took over as an interim. Smart said he feels. feels way better now about how things turned out. You see what's going on now. That started with me. I wish nothing but the best for them.

Those guys, they work their ass off, but you could desperately see this coming. And now this is what you get. Damn, bro. Like, really? How do you feel about those guys?

Really? Really? How do you feel? I mean, he did literally nothing. He wasn't available for the Grizzlies. He played in. 20 games the first year. So like save me the, you got rid of me and this is what you get. You didn't even play.

I'm sure I've said this before. I say this all time. Everyone's a hero in their own movie. And Marcus Smart's world revolves around Marcus Smart. Yeah. But the dirty secret is Marcus Smart, you were not a factor in the Grizzlies when you were there and you're not a factor in the Grizzlies when you're gone. Like you were just a non-factor.

Is that fair to say? Yeah. I think that I think there is a. correlation made by Marcus Smart that is not necessarily true, right? I don't think the Grizzly season went to hell because they traded Marcus Smart and Jake LaRapia. But if I'm Marcus Smart, I got to respect it. Like, you know what I mean? I think I would probably be like, if I resented it and you sent me to the wizard, I would probably be that way too. You know what I mean? I'd probably be that way too. But. And I, just, just to just to

to bone and I will say, and I've said it before in the pod, like, Marcus Smart is performing higher than my expectations for the Lakers. This is just not what, look, people are already like on the coach's ass, on the best player's ass, on the GM's ass. Things are horrible, horrible for this start to the season for the Grizzlies. And now it's like, former grizzly Marcus Marka Schmarx says, hey, I saw this coming. Like, oh, God. We don't need you chime.

We don't need you chime. Really, bro. Really? All right. I promise we're doing bad enough already. There's enough shovels and enough. Yes. We don't need yours, Marcus Smart.

There's plenty of shovels. There's plenty of day. Damn, man. You? It's highly. Golly. Are you okay? How's it going?

Just a quick, like a horrible. Like a wellness check-in. I'm my brother, Verno. Are you okay? Or, horrible. It's bad. Oh.

You should have seen last night in Boston. I mean, the text messages with my buddies, it got dark. Oh, I mean, there is a play at the end of the first half. I'm not kidding you. Peyton Pritchard gets the ball 94 feet from the basket. Oh, I saw that. And dribbled the entire length of the floor and made a layup. It was an uncontested layup.

Not one human gotten as well. But wasn't it off a make? No, it was off a miss. But it was and he just went past five guys, none of which stopped the ball and then just made a layup. And it's like, what is this? Seriously, what is this? Nobody knows what, how? You would think there's like some level of professional pride.

But I mean, it did, no, this has been a nightmare to start the season. A nightmare. Everything. Everything about it. It's been a nightmare. Your star player's been frustrated and went into, and then has led to everybody talking about trades. You've had guys injured.

Your coach is like imported from overseas. And now everybody's saying this Fiva crap doesn't work. Like it's all a nightmare, Jacoby. It's all a nightmare. Everything. It's really bad. Right. So can we please not talk about that and go to whatever you've got next?

Because I love your next. Get to your next love. there's no shortage of people speaking in a microphone celebrating Nikola Yokic. So I will make this brief and I will just say this is Nikola Yokic has just decided I'm going to take less shots and I'm not going to miss any of them. These are his last four games. 12 for 15 against the Warriors. 10 for 14 against the Pacers. 16 for 19 against the Kings

18 for 23 against the Clippers and he had 55 points like and I went on to the NBA.com which is so much fun you can watch all of the misses the misses are all explainable like all the misses are just like rattling in and out or like the end of a shot clock or whatever

it's just like all of the misses are barely misses and in the 18 for 23 Clipper game when he had 55 points. He started one for four, I think, or one for three. So he finished either like 17 for 20 or 17 for 19. Like he's not missing shots. We talk about the K game when he had 40, whatever, and he took 45 shots. Like what Yokic is doing is 55 points on 23 shots. I don't think I've ever seen that before in my whole entire life. I swear to God. I don't think I've seen it before. he is otherworldly.

Like to, I always talk about like the, when you go into opposing locker rooms, the whiteboard, right? Like, he's number one every single. Like the goal is to try to make things difficult on him. Go ahead, double him to do what happens. Double him from the blind side.

Double him from wherever. Like, he sees your double before even like put your foot in the ground to even double it. But the idea that theoretically, these teams are, he's the most important thing to deal with that night when you play the Nugget. Well, do you know he played the Clippers in the last game? And Zubach, who I celebrated last year, who is not worthy of celebration this year,

he was, Zubach gave him a run. Like, Zubach made things difficult for Yokic in a way other centers can't. No one can stop him. Well, he put up 55 on 23 shots. like this is my kryptonite that guy my next love is going to be the other huge star this week in the NBA besides Nicoliochich i feel like he has gotten a lot of love because yokech is now he is falling into the category of you know who people don't talk about enough right like this is the old keenan allen thing right like you know who's awesome but never gets any of

is Keenan Allen. But then it becomes a thing that everybody talks about, how everybody talks about they don't talk about Keenan Allen. That's kind of the Yokic thing, too. It's like now we're getting to the... There's no shortage of Yolkich coverage. Yeah. You know who we don't talk about enough being amazing.

Nicoling Yonkidj, right? This guy, though, we don't talk about him enough. Dennis Jenkins. the Motor City Cruise, who we were both watching the game where he hit the game tying three, the Washington game, or no, the Chicago game. And he had, that's the first time he played, 34 minutes, played that many minutes, 34 minutes, 24 points, 8 rebounds, four steals, three assists. So then the next time they play, J.B. Bickerstaff says, you know what?

we're starting you dare danis i don't you got the start oh yeah 40 minutes against the wizard 18 points 12 assist four rebounds and two steals he plays defense too he's everywhere danis jenkins uh stay ready so you don't have to get ready we feel like we bring up one of these guys every week. Did you, here is your chance. You dream about this your whole life. If I ever got the chance, this kid has made the absolute most of his chance,

which this is when, if you do it once, it's cool. You do it twice. Oh, I'm researching you. What is the deal here? It was Will Richard last week. It was the Will Richard. The Will Richard belt has been handed to Janus Jenkins.

And I do not lie in the microphones. Seven days ago today, I did not know who Dennis Jenkins was. I did not. Two-way deal. Two-way deal. Made the G-League all-rooky team last year for the Motor City Cruise. I was not. I was not paying attention to that.

He went undrafted out of college, okay, where he played his last year of college at St. John's. he started he went to Pacific then he went to Odessa then he went to Iona to go play for Rick Patino

and then wasn't Patino would say John's and then listen Patino is coaching Iona and he goes to play for Petino at Iona

and then Petino leaves Iona and get the St. John's job and he says, I'm taking Dennis Jenkins with me. And brings him to St. John's with him. Therefore, he ends up playing for St. John's his last year. Then he gets undrafted. Now, you got the, but I mean, he was a Petino player at Iona and then at St. John's. And then he got undrafted, played for this Motor City Cruise, had a good year in the G League last year. Now, it didn't really get much of a chance in the NBA.

now got a start for, this week has played 74 minutes, has scored 42 points, has had 15 assists, 12 rebounds, and six steals in two games. But you're not getting a start for like the Wizards to see if you have something that we can build around. Awesome.

It's a start for the number one team in the Eastern Conference. So awesome. This isn't just like some team that's tanking like to see what they got. It's not the nets. You know what I mean? It's like, We're the best team in the Eastern Commerce. We have the best record.

Dennis, we need you. And when I researched him, do Patino loves him. Of course. Loves him. Of course. You didn't have to take him with him. And also,

when you watch the game, he's one of those guys that you hate guarding you. It's like, why are you trying so hard? I don't have the ball. I'm 33, I'm 33 feet from the basket. Why are you in my jersey?

Leave me alone. This is annoying. If I was a veteran point, car and I'd be like, dude, like this isn't how we do things here. Stop. This is annoying. You're trying way too hard on defense. Shout to him. Have you ever, have you ever seen that? Have you ever seen that clip of Earl Watson telling the John Stockton story? And Earl Watson is like, they told me, don't mess with John Stockton. He's like, but I'm doing that thing, the Dennis Jenkins thing. And he's like, I am up on him. Like, I'm chasing around screens. I am.

up on him completely. And he stops. And he yells at me and he says, back the fuck up. And he's like, what? John Soxton's yelling at him. He goes, he comes down the court the next time. And he goes, and he whizzes the ball. And it flies like right by my head.

He goes, I turn around. He wasn't even passing it to anyone. He said he threw the ball at my head. Get off me. Get off me. He's like, he just threw the ball. He's like, yo, Josh Stockton is mean. That's his only turnover the whole year.

Unbelievable. But that's what made. That's what it reminded me of when you were talking about how those, those vet guys, they're like, dude, stop. It's like, this isn't what we do. Pick me up after half court. You know what I mean? Just leave me alone.

Leave me alone. This isn't. Dennis Jenkins. What a hero. Am I doing a lover or loath? Loath. I hate to see Chris Paul go out like this. And I hope it doesn't.

doesn't go like this. Or how about their whole second unit? Chris Paul, Brooke Lopez, they're all going out. It's just, this is not what they signed up for. No.

You know what I mean? Like there was a world and listen, like, I like to admit when I was wrong and I like to be wrong. Not like to be wrong, but sometimes I like to be surprised. I like when things don't go

the way you expected them too. I saw the clippers literally as a championship contender last year in the playoffs. Like literally a championship contending team. And I thought that bringing in Chris Paul, Bradley Beal, Brooke Lopez, um,

Isaac, I thought this is, or Collins, I was, John Collins. Yeah. Collins. I thought this was going to like bolster what they already had.

Everybody liked their off season. Everybody liked this. This team is going to be better now. And I, and I was done enough to think like maybe Chris Paul. And I think we even talked about this. I was like, maybe this is like the fairy tale scenario in which his

retirement year, he ends up hoisting the Larry O'Brien Trophy and then rides off into the sunset. And now he's getting DMPCDs three games in a row. And he has not contributed in any way, shape, or form to the wins or the losses or the team.

Yeah. At all. I loat this. I load this for him. And there's no question. Norm Powell covered up that, you know, I played whatever 37 games last. year and he's already got this like, oh, now he's got a new thing now. And so it's never a straight up injury. It's always mysterious. Oh, my ankle hurts and my, my foot hurts. And they don't have

Norm Powell to just, Norm Powell was like playing at an all star level last year. And so it was like, okay that you didn't have Kauai Leonard. And now poor Brad Beal fractures his hip. That's like, what a freako injury that is. You just never see that. Really? You like that. That happens. old people fracture their hips and the clippers are old and they look old and they look old and they play. And he's got a player option for next year. And I can't, I just can't imagine receive that phone call.

No, it's a player option. It's a nothing contract though. It's like, what, two for 11 or something? I imagine you get the phone call. It's like, oh, guess what? Mr. Beale, Mr. Beal would like to exercise the player option for next year. My next love. Jaden McDaniels.

So I always like when these guys take a weird leap like later down and we'll see if it holds. So far, so great though, because we're 11 games into the season. He's kind of been a 12 point per game, you know,

just a tick under 50% from the field guy, you know, plays defense, not really a good three-point shooter, but he is banging corner threes. He's averaging 18 and a half points a game, 55%

from the field. It's a low volume, but he's hit 54% of his threes, which is, I believe, leading the league right now through 11 games, getting to the line a little bit more. And I mean, he's six years in, but I went and looked it up. I mean, he's just, he's 25 years old, right? Like, this is the beginning of the prime, right? When you're in your 25, 26, 27, 28, right? And it's like, sometimes, and it's interesting, I just, I just mentioned Norm Powell another guy, right? Where it's like, oh, we kind of thought we knew what Norm Powell was, right? He's kind of a 12 point for game.

You know what I mean? Like he's role player guy, but and then Norm Powell's like, wait, hold on. Is Norr Powell in consideration for All-Star? No, I love this because it's like we always call like leap guys. Yeah. Third year, fourth year. No one makes a leap in their seventh, eighth year in the league. And now it's six years in.

And here's Jaden McDaniels. And he's now averaging 18 and a half points a game, right? That's, I mean, that's a big deal to go from 12 to 18 and a half. That's a different player. It's a different player. Not to mention he's locked down. Like, as long as all hell. We talked earlier about players that could go to any team and get in where they fit in.

Yeah. Wait, so you're telling me that you can, you're a perimeter defender, one of the best. You can hit threes. You can create your own shot. You can create for others. Right. What's the problem with that? Yeah.

Shout out to you. This is the early. love. He has been outstanding. No, I think so too. It's like one of those guys where it's just, he was good last year. Yeah. I didn't have any complaints about Jaden McDaniels last year. I didn't know this was in him. Shout to him. You know what? I'm jealous of that one. I'm taking that one. My next love is Jaden McDaniels. Let me tell you what he's done. Shut up. Shut up. This is a player. I don't watch a ton of college. You know, I'm watching NBA basketball and taking care of my family or whatever.

I don't have the capacity to like dig into college. I also went to a college that had a D3 basketball team, so I don't care. But coming out of Kentucky, Reed Shepard was like a celebrated player in this draft. Like what we thought he would be, we thought much more of. And I always say no one saw more Reed Shepard basketball than the Rockets last year. And they decided not to play it. And in preparation for this, I read some Reed Shepard articles, apparently like, They really worked on his defense this offseason.

But in the last like two weeks, Reed Shepherd is starting to look like Reed Shepherd. Just from his last four games, you saw this one against Memphis, five for seven from the field, two, four from three. The loss against the Spurs, six for ten,

four per seven from three, missed a huge defensive assignment and Castle got a dunk. That bothered me, though. There was a big possession. And then against Milwaukee, Another big game. Six for 10 from the field.

Four for six from three. Against the Wizards. Again, another great performance. Like his last four games have proven, not proven, have shown that he could be, he could build the void that Fred Vanbley left. And I think that he didn't play because of defense. I think he didn't play last year because of defense.

he is he is going to be an awesome offensive player good defense against the bucks because I had my eye on him because he missed a couple of times because the spurs so I was like maybe that's why he doesn't play so let me watch him against the bucks he it wasn't just like steals I mean he had like four steals I don't know I don't have in front of me but like it's just like he he wasn't a liability in any way shape or form and they get him in action every time he's on the floor they put him in action it is like it's a sore thumb out there it's like oh Steve Nash Bring the little white guy over here. Bring the little white guy over here. Let's see what we can do with him. You just got to hold up. He stood up to it. He stood up to it in the last few games.

And I'm proud of him. And man, the rockets are, they're flying high. But like if he can consistently do what he's done in the last couple of weeks, there's no reason he couldn't. It's a second year in the league. I just, I love Reed Shepherd being Reed Shepherd who we thought he would be. He is going to be absolutely awesome offensively. You've got to remember this is the first time through.

Like, let him have three or four years in the league. He's got, he has special talent when it comes to shooting the basketball. End of story. And he also is very good at facilitating as well. Like he could get around screen to cramp dribble. When you have Shangoon and KD and Thompson on your team. And I guess if Easton is going to shoot 70% from three or whatever, you don't need to create your own shot. You can be a table setter.

and I think the biggest thing was him as a defensive liability. And I think he worked really hard on it. And he had some quotes himself. He was like, yeah, last year it was like an adjustment period. It was hard. Okay. Well, then I've got to just go out of order and I'm going to do my last love because it ties into this. Amen Thompson, the motivator.

I had written this down and I'd save this for one of my loves. Because Amman Thompson told you're aforementioned Reed Shepherd. Have you seen this? Yes. I saw. Amen told me in the wait room just a minute ago. He said, but if you take one more dribble when you're open

and there's and there's no shooting, I'm going to punch you in the face. Then they went and he asked. No, so Reid said that. Reid told the story. And they're, I need two,

I'm a journalist, so I need two sources and I need to confirm this. And so she goes to Ahmed Thompson. And it says, that Thompson did not deny that he said that. In fact, he doubled down. When asked to confirm the quote, he simply said,

I did say that. If you triple one more time when you're open, I'm going to punch you in the face. Ahmed Thompson, real teammate, real motivator. And honestly,

also the kind of guy that could, he might hit you. You don't know. Oh, he might. And but I'll also say this is like it's fun and laughs, but there is something to like, hey, man, like we worked this offensive possession for 12 seconds to get you that shot. If you don't take it, then what were we just doing for it? It took three passes to get you an open shot. So like, why did we do all this work for you to pass it up?

Like also the whole point is for you. And guess what? If you shoot 40% from three, that's fine. You're going to miss a couple. It's okay, Reed. P.S. I'm at Thompson's like some like O.G. J. Crowder vet.

You know what I mean? Like he's like two years older than him. And Katie, you know what I mean? Something on the internet about read, like a pro read post. And I think these things help. Like it's silly for us to talk about.

But like having your teammates. Absolutely. Just believe in you, support you. You didn't have a great rookie season. You didn't live up to the expectations as the number he's the number three pick right like you didn't live up to those expectations but they obviously like the guy give you this confidence works and you know obviously vibes are always good when you're winning but like this i i i i'm going to say that the reed shepherd

we've seen the last two weeks will scale throughout the rest of the season i believe it's funny you say vibes go with winning because that's been a something we've joked about here the coach gave it said you out, look, it's a, sometimes it's a chicken or the egg thing, right? Does the chemistry come and then it leads to success? Or does the success come first? And then that leads to chemistry. And obviously here we're going, could we try either of those? I don't know.

I don't try either. Either one works. Either one. Like, I don't know. You have to go bowling? We have to go bowling. We're going to beat the Celtics? Or do we beat the Celtics and then go bowling?

I don't know. I don't know. Can we try one or the... Which comes first? The chemistry of the... I don't know. But so far it's neither. Like, neither is happening.

Well, I always like to think about... We see these guys for like two and a half, three hours, like every three days. They have to get on these plane rides. You know what I mean? Like, after you get beat, like, you know what I mean? beat like you have to get on a plane and be around everybody that you just got beat with like it can compound like interest the bad vibes which is exactly what's happening with your team but we'll move on where am I the lows yeah all I have left is loads I don't know how this happened but

I got two left okay I don't want to talk about this one too much because it makes me sad but one of my good friends and mentors Connor shell formerly VSPN and now of words and picks one of the First, then one of my mentors, John Hock, directed a film called Through the Fire. And it was about Stefan Marbury's. I want to call him a cousin. I think he's a cousin. Sebastian Telfare and his sort of rise as a Lincoln Rail Splitters. Lincoln is a Coney Island team in the city.

And he won the city title as a freshman, sophomore, junior and senior. like Bassie was the guy. And, you know, and the film was excellent. John Hawk did a great work. And I met Connoissell while he was working on it. And so I've always had a little bit of a connection to him. And he's recently been back in the news. He has had to spend some time behind bars for things that he's done.

Unlicensed firearm was one of them. And then that got, I think it got dropped. But, and then it was this health fraud thing, former NBA players, like health care fraud things, things that he did that were wrong. But there's like, he's like, he's going. got this little documentary out now with some clips circling around where he's like back in the projects, the mermaid houses, I think they're called, where he grew up in Coney Island after making $19 million in the NBA. And it's one of those just like sad stories that these

people are in our lives and then leave our lives when they're out of the league. And we kind of forget about them. And not all of them are thriving in their post-MBA careers. And to see Sebastian tell fair someone who was so celebrated at one point to sort of like be back at square one and now he's back behind bars is just sad as one of my loads

he was the cover of everything and that Adidas deal that he signed and I mean it was just he was the guy he was the guy right coming out um which load do I want to do

I'm going to move these around. I'm going to do the whole Curry Under Armour thing. It's weird. Okay. So, well, it's over and now he's going to do the Curry brand. But when this ended, this was dawned me, I said for many years when I was doing these shows, I said, you know, it's weird. My son is now 15.

And I said his age range when he was a little kid, okay, if I would have gone to his school and I would have pulled all of his friends, not local athletes. I'm just saying biggest, like the national ones, right? It was Curry and Mahomes and then everybody else paled in comparison amongst like that age range. That were the, like the same way that you and I would talk about like Bo Jackson and Michael Jordan, the biggest ones when we were kids. Yeah. But Curry and Mahomes are the biggest, right?

One of the things it dawned on me is I'm watching this unfold tonight and this whole, he's no longer with Under Arm or whatever. I don't want to, I don't want to bag on anybody too badly. But that has got to be the absolute least amount of traction you could have gotten out of a transcendent star ever. You and I,

I have been in basketball gym. Kids love Curry still, right? They act like Steph Curry. Steph Curry has revolutionized the game. No matter, no matter, what you want to think, and certainly in gyms, maybe to their detriment with little kids shooting threes, right?

His dad wasn't letting him shoot threes, but that's what they don't want to do. But I have been in gyms. I was in a gym today. I'll be in one tomorrow with my daughter's team, right? I've been in gyms for the last better part of 12 years regularly around kids. I've never seen anyone wearing curries, ever. What? No, no, no, that's not true.

No, that's not true. I'm not kidding you. I'm saying in these gyms, no, in these, currently, they're not wearing, they're not wearing the shoes. No, they're not. You're misremembering this. You're misremembering this. I promise you, Verno.

The Curry ones or twos were very popular. I had a pair and Nike was freaked out. Under Armour started like eating into Nike's like, you know, stranglehold on the business. there was a year, a season, a shoe that came out. Okay. That really was a problem for Nike. Maybe maybe there was a year and you had them. I'm telling you, still to this day, I was at a gym today.

There's what I guess there were probably, let's see, there's eight on one team there. I mean, what, 18 to probably 18 girls in the game. And then there was another game after them and another game after them. I mean, I see what shoes. they're wearing, right? There's tons of, there's tons of Janus's. Yonnas is are big. A lot of, Sabrina's are big. Obviously, there's Morant Jaws that are big. In the boys, it was like all Kobe's the last couple of years. The Kobe's hit a huge wave again. A lot of Kobe's and a lot of those GTs. They all started wearing like the GT, the Nike GTs a lot, right? I'm just saying over, they said

that he's had this deal for like, whatever, 13 years. years or 14 years. I do you remember the commercial? Which one? You don't remember any. There's no step. There's no. There's no.

There's no. There is. I just feel like they had like one of the biggest athletes of all time. And I'm not going to remember anything from it. And it's a really interesting story that just bizarre. Boris all with for 20 minutes. Like like his dad was involved in the meeting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go well.

And I think it was Nike fumbled it. Damien Lee, right? Wasn't it Damian Lee who was his teammate when he was coming up? Bayesmore. That's who it is. Ken Bazmore. Yeah. He played for the Warriors and the Hawks.

And he was an underarmor guy. And Steph Curry was like, he's like, Bayes has, he was kind of goofy, right? Like he's kind of like goofball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, Bayes has all of this gear. He was impressed by just how much gear under armor sent him. And he's like, these people really take care of Kent Baysmore. So maybe I should give him a shot.

And it ended up working out that way. But I will push back on you. There's one thing. There was at least two shoes that came out that did cause panic throughout the industry that maybe under armor. When Under Armour was sort of like edit zenith that did threaten the industry that they just sort of like lost hold of over time. I mean, it's a fumble. It's a huge fumble. I just, I feel like he was the athlete.

The most marketable athlete you could possibly imagine. Well, MVP, I mean, I don't have to, I don't know. Everything. I was about to say into a microphone like how great Steph Curry is and how marketable he is. That's ridiculous. It's obvious. It's like calling rain wet.

It's like, yeah, of course. I actually have some of the Curry golf stuff because he's got his own golf line with under armor. And it's good. That stuff is good. But, I mean, it's just bizarre to me. I feel like they never did enough with it. I feel like it always should have done bigger.

You were given somebody that could have been as marketable as anyone ever. And, like, I have more vivid memories of Uncle Drew type stuff. And, oh, yeah. Like, I mean, there's just nothing ever attached to it that I remember. There's no reason that, I mean, I'm going to, you know, bring up old scro. The John Morant should have like much more popular shoes.

How dare you? How dare you? How dare you? How dare you? How dare you? There's none. There's no reason. There's no reason.

How dare you? Have you seen the Brunton? They're called the foul bait ones. Have you seen those? Well, no, the Brunton's, they just, they just released them. It's actually a walking boot. It's a big walking boot. Those are the quads.

The ones are a walking boot. They come with free crutches for you to leave MSG. And the thing about this story I find interesting is we all read the same post today in articles. And they're all like, well, he is going to continue with the curry brand. Dirty Secret, I've never heard of the curry brand. I've never seen anything labeled the curry brand. I've never seen a T-shirt, a shoe in anything. Have you ever seen the curry brand?

I mean, just the golf stuff. Okay. I just haven't seen it. He's walking. He's like he's walking with this asset that is the curry brand. I was like, never heard of it. Never heard of it in my life. It might be like Aisha's cookbooks.

I'd be like, oh, okay, the curry brand. I think it's going to be like the Brady thing and then he'll sell out to whoever like Brady did. He was wearing TB 12 stuff. Have you ever seen anybody wear a TV 12 shirt? In the wild? Yeah, it's never happened. It's never happened. Like Alex Guerrera.

Yeah, I guess so. That's all he wears. I'm going to finish with a related thing. My last loathe, I love LeBron James, and I don't have to explain why. I just love what he does on a basketball court. Oh. And I used to love what he did off the basketball court, but he makes it so hard sometimes. And the latest is a tweet, and I'll just read it, November 13th, 932.

am. You're probably listening to this on the 14th. This is yesterday morning. He tweets, and I quote, I love watching YouTube golf, golf green emoji, videos, exclamation point, exclamation point. Random, I know.

L-O-L, all caps. So cool, exclamation point. I don't know what to do with that. It makes him so relatable, man. I don't know what to do with that. He's just so relatable. I don't know what to do with that. He likes watching YouTube golf, man.

Why are you sharing that with me? L-O-L and then so cool, that is not cool. I watch random YouTube videos about golf. I follow all the golf swing helpers on Instagram, but like I'm not going to tweet. I love watching people tell me how to fix my swing on Instagram, random I know, L-O-L-L-so cool. It's just we.

weird. All right. I am changing my last one. I am not going to get into Clay Thompson being upset about what Pat Beavid, Jay Will said about Megan the Stahlion. I'm leaving that one aside.

I will accept no Jay William Slander. I cannot defend him in this case, but... I'm not doing it. I mean, I will just say it's a little different when, as far as I know, their wives have not,

they've not had a song called WAP. So that does... Let me just say, to say this is we've both been in this business a long time and Jay Will is sort of like new to the space. Sometimes people just get comfortable and say into microphones that they should not

say into microphones. He's new to the space. Like that is not an appropriate thing to say into a microphone. Correct. Locker room talk. You're right? We all know guys that talk like that. No politics on the podcast, please. Oh, stop. All right. I am changing mine because

if there is a God please shine down upon me and let me watch the Yokage brothers fight the Morris twins. This is unbelievable. They were asked on their chat, the Morris Code show, who would win a fight them against the Yokic brothers? Marcus and Marquif almost seemed to scoff at the idea, saying it would be a landslide and applying that the Yokic brothers are fat and can't move.

Markief. Did you see the clip? Markief explained how people think the Yokic boys are big and bad, but don't seem to realize that he himself is 610-280, and he put it actually athletic. Okay. Look, I have been around. Well, thank you so much for bringing this up.

I want to apologize to our listeners and viewers. I did not put this on the rundown. This is, we should have led with this. Do we have to re-record the entire podcast? I. I'm willing to do it. I've made it abundantly clear. I've seen the Morris twins and I've seen them in person.

We obviously talked a great deal. And then many of our listeners have in the past contributed to when they have seen said human being, Strangia. And he is without question the most terrifying looking human being I have ever come across in my life. was right next to him. Okay. And I don't give a damn if you're 6'10 or whatever. Like, I need this to happen. So you've picked a side.

Oh. I've picked a bet. I mean, the way that like we get all these celebrity fights put on now, surely somebody can get behind this. And I promise you, if we want to get into like a fight, Like if we can set this up, there is no amount of money. I would not put on the yokech product. That's the question because there's a number for everything.

There is a dollar amount that you will not pay. Let's call it a two v two boxing match in the ring, all four patents in the ring at the same time with boxing gloves and boxing rules. It is, what is the number? What is the $1 amount that you will not pay? Like what is your breaking point? if you told me like I cannot pirate it, the only way is if I buy it.

Yes. What is the $1 that is too much? Everyone has a price. Ted DiBiasey style. And I'm going to get to watch Strangia fight. The Morris Twins. I'd pay $300. I'm at $4.74.

If it gets to $475, I'm out. But $4.74. And I'll bite some friends over. So we get some value out of it. I'm just like, watch it by myself on the couch. I'll invite some friends over. I'll host a party. and I'll base 475.

I'm out. 475 I'm out. 474 I'm in. I love that you brought this up. And I did, I actually did like the Morris Twins analysis. They're like, we're athletic, we're athletes, we can move our feet in our bodies. You can move them around the ring. Like he thought about this before. I mean, obviously there is history there.

I just don't, I don't think that human being that I was in the present. of feels pain. No, there's a very... I feel like he is the kind of guy that would not wint at the branding iron being put on his hand, that if you hit him with a metal rod in the head, he would just be like,

what else you got? Thank you. The fight starts, ding, ding, ding. The ref puts them together. They touch gloves. And then like a Marquif lays a three punch combo. Strongia, Stronga doesn't even put his hands up.

Now what? Yeah. It's like, okay. Like he's literally been kicked in the head by a horse. Like he doesn't care. How can you make this happen? I don't know.

I'll work on that. That'll be my homework for next pod. I'll try to make some phone calls and set some emails up and just like talk to who is it Trilla? Who puts on those versus things? What was that? Trilla. Trilla. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah. They still exist.

I'll send an email. CEO at trilla.com. I'll send that email. And be like, let's get this Yokage versus Morris thing. Yokic Brothers versus the Morris twins. Yes. Yeah. It would be fantastic. Thank you to our executive producer, Jesse Lopez, as always. And Jacoby. I'll talk to you next week.

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