The Money Mondays - Crypto to a Million & AI to Infinity with Matt Morgan E149

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

On this episode of The Money Mondays, Dan Fleyshman sits down once again with entrepreneur and investor Matt Morgan, known for building over $1B+ in cannabis companies and now operating as a high-leve...l investor across crypto, tech, AI, and real estate. They break down the three pillars of the show—how to make money, how to invest money, and how to give it away—through raw, honest advice on fear, risk, lifestyle creep, and long-term wealth building.Matt dives deep into Bitcoin, liquidity cycles, AI’s impact on the global economy, the blockchain revolution, and why volatility is actually a gift for early adopters. They also explore longevity, biohacking, and why freedom—not cars, watches, or houses—is the ultimate luxury.This is a fast-paced, insight-packed episode for anyone serious about leveling up financially, investing smarter, and preparing for a world transformed by AI, crypto, and extended human lifespan.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Monday Monday's podcast where we cover three core topics, how to make money, how to invest money, how to give away to charity. These podcast episodes are always under 40 minutes for your listening pleasure because the average workout is 45 minutes. The average commute to work is 45 minutes. This episode will be between 33 and 37 minutes for you guys. Now, it's really rare that I bring guests back onto these episodes. I've only been doing this podcast for two and a half years.
Starting point is 00:00:30 today we are ranked number 25 in the world at a 5.4 million crushing crushing so this gentleman he happens to be here in Las Vegas and I'm out here for some meetings and so ba-a-bing-bada-boom we have none other than Matthew Morgan if you can dive in give us the quick two-minute bio so we get straight to the money awesome well thanks for having me Dan appreciate you as always I'm happy to you know jump in on the money Mondays when I can my name is Matt Morgan uh born and raised in a farm in Montana, left in 2010 for greener pastures, if you will. I've lived in many major cities, Arizona, Las Vegas, L.A., San Diego, Orange County, Miami,
Starting point is 00:01:15 any warm city, basically, in the country I've lived in. Built some large companies. My claim to fame was really in cannabis during the, during the epicent of the boom of that from 2010 to 2020, built over a billion dollars worth of cannabis companies. I, we exited, I got a small piece of all that. And so since about 2020, I've been, I guess you could say, semi-retired or not an operator, more as a passive investor, helping coach operators capitalize them, strategy, and kind of just been working from home for the last five years
Starting point is 00:01:47 and flying around to meetings here and there. But it's been good, man. You were an optionally busy, retired guy. If I was fully retired, I'd probably go mentally insane. So you'd have to go to like the mental and stay in this island who come find me. All right, pop quiz. Someone walks in the door and says, Matt Morgan, here's $2.8 billion. You can never work on anything again for the rest of your life.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Wow, man. Business is like a game. It's like the ultimate game, right? So like you have to stop playing the game. But could I put the $2.8 billion in time? See, that's your first thought. Can I buy one thing with it? Can I buy Bitcoin or not?
Starting point is 00:02:28 Yeah, so you can buy Bitcoin. Because my fear is that if they give me $2.8 billion of U.S. dollars, it could be worth zero long before my life is over. We're going to get there. Okay, so let's cover our three topics. How to make money, how to invest money, how to give away to charity. You've been involved in the cannabis industry, the crypto industry, and as a passive investor into companies. When it comes to making money, what do you think holds people back? Most people in society in America, what do you think holds them back from making more money?
Starting point is 00:02:56 Why are they complacent making 30K, 40K, 50K, 60K, etc? Fear. I think that if you interviewed everyone on their deathbed, that they would tell you that their biggest regret is not taking more chances in life. And I think fear holds them back. It's the small carrot of dangling in front of them every two weeks of this guaranteed paycheck to ensure that they can eat, that they have a place to live, keep the babies, whatever it may be.
Starting point is 00:03:25 but there's fear is by far the biggest driver why people don't ever get to the next level. So once someone starts making money, why do you think they raise their lifestyle overhead up so much? We've watched a lot of guys go from making 100 grand to 200, 200k to 500K, have an exit for millions of dollars, and then they're broke or retracting afterwards. Why do you think they raise their overhead so much?
Starting point is 00:03:47 So their monthly burn, you just, norms, I mean, there's social, outer social pressure, because when you start crushing it, people like, oh, my God, it's so-and-so. And so you want to have the car that matches that persona. You want to have the house that matches that persona. You want to have the luxury watch and the outfit that matches that persona. And so you almost, whether it's your own ego or outside forces pushing you in that direction, you think that you're invincible, your bulletproof and the money will never stop.
Starting point is 00:04:17 So you buy all these things that are really completely irrelevant. So I'm going to give you guys a quick word of advice. It's not that you shouldn't go try to buy that first watch or buy that first car. There is a very good incentive of having a goal. A lot of people need that goal of getting the car, the watch, the thing, whatever that thing is, the house. They want to get something. That can be a good goal and a driver for you to work hard, whether you have a job or you're building a company. But I can pinky swear.
Starting point is 00:04:44 You will not care emotionally about your third watch. You will never, ever, ever, ever care about your third car. You will never even visit your fifth bedroom at your house because why would you? Why would you go in your fifth bedroom? And so what happens is you buy that second, third, fourth car, and you don't care about it after a week or two. You buy that second, third, and fourth watch, and you literally don't wear it because you like the Apple Watch, or you like the one watch you wear all the time. You go from a two-bedroom apartment to a four-bedroom penthouse, and you never go in the bedrooms three and four, literally ever. And so I say that because I don't want to stop you from trying to buy the thing, the one or two things that you want, but I can pinky swear.
Starting point is 00:05:20 The bottom of my soul, bottom of my heart. And Matt can attest to this. we've watched so many friends make money and then they increase their overhead and then times get tough or things change or they need liquidity for their business and they can't because it's wrapped up in their fourth car outside and their fourth watch down there and they're inside of their freaking drawers so go get the thing go get the watch go get the car but please please please take the money that you were going to buy the third car with and put it back into your company or buy some bitcoin as matt's going to explain yeah so I've fall I've been a victim to all of these things that you've talked about, you know, back when I was on a farm in Montana, I was in my head. I was like, if I ever made $20,000 a month, I would die the happiest guy in the world. For sure. Right. And now it's like, you know, I can't even imagine making that, making that monthly. It wouldn't get us very far. But I think what it is is you, materialistic things are a big driver early on, especially when you grow up without money. And, you know, I had all the cars on
Starting point is 00:06:18 my wall with posters pinned up or whatever. And I remember the first time I bought like a high-end Mercedes race car, right, like for $150,000 or something. And the high I got from that when I was in my mid-20s, it was just like, it was like an out-of-body experience. But since then, I've owned every car that you could imagine, and I think you're always chasing that same high, and it never comes again. It's like a drug.
Starting point is 00:06:40 And same with a watch. You get a very expensive watch, and the first time it's like, oh, my God, I can't believe something is on my wrist that's worth this much money, but you never get that feeling again. A lot of people keep chasing it. You know, I have friends that have 50 watches
Starting point is 00:06:52 It's worth $5, $10 million. I have friends that have 50 cars worth $40 million, whatever it is. But it's not like, it doesn't make you feel better. You know, like, look at how many watches I'm wearing. I don't even wear watches. I don't care about that. I care. I like playing the game.
Starting point is 00:07:09 I like playing business. But as far as, and I do have a very big house, and I don't use most of it. You know, I have a big huge theater, and I've been in it maybe five times. So it's all just things to stroke your ego. it really doesn't matter. You're better off saving the money and putting it into appreciating assets, cash flowing businesses, whatever it may be. But buying more stuff is, that's what it is. It's just stuff. You're never going to fill the voids in your soul with stuff. Right. So let's say that young kid, he's 26 years old, he's doing door to door making
Starting point is 00:07:42 money, making 300 grand this year. And he's like, you know what, Matt's right? I'm not going to buy the second car, but I've got this 100K saved up. I'm thinking about buying. Bitcoin. What would you say to that kid about investing in the Bitcoin? Listen, you know, I'm a huge fan of crypto for a ton of different reasons, especially Bitcoin. It's the holy grail of the crypto vertical. But it's the first time technology has ever allowed us to have a fair monetary system where there's not a few guys printing what many guys work for, right? So I remember what a million dollars bought me in 2019, and I know what a million dollars buys me now in 2025. And it's probably
Starting point is 00:08:21 one-third, if I had to guess. So those little piece of paper we work our entire lives for and take years off of our lives to accumulate, now only by one-third of what they did five years ago, all because there's a group of people that are printing this little piece of paper into oblivion, whereas with Bitcoin or with other cryptocurrencies, as long as it's a blue-chip crypto-notty's, you know, ones where kids launch them in their parents' basement. But there's a finite amount. It's coded that there's a finite amount.
Starting point is 00:08:50 there's never going to be more than 21 million with Bitcoin, for example. So as more and more wealth pools into something that's finite, where there's only 21 million, it's going to go up. I can't even tell you how much gold there is in the world because anytime they want, they can crank up the mines, and all of a sudden there's more gold, right? So there's not even a finite amount of gold or precious metals. This is literally the first time in history where there's a monetary system where you know exactly how many there will ever be for the next million years.
Starting point is 00:09:17 So when you have a passion for Bitcoin and someone brings you a different project or a different deal for real estate, stock market, cash line business, a restaurant, et cetera. How do you make the determination of like, okay, I could buy more Bitcoin with this $100,000 versus putting into that person's restaurant, real estate, stock market, or do you like to dabble in all of them? Crypto and the top, the top tokens, specifically Bitcoin, is the fastest appreciating asset in human history. And so it's really hard to put your liquidity anywhere else.
Starting point is 00:09:50 As of now, crypto is driven directly off of liquidity and how much liquidity is in the market. The federal government was shut down for two months. All the liquidity built up on their balance sheet. I think it was over a trillion dollars. Crypto crashed. Why? There was no liquidity in the markets. The Fed is now having emergency meetings every three days because there's so many cracks in the infrastructure of our financial system.
Starting point is 00:10:15 What are they going to do? They're going to lower the rates and they're going to pump liquidity. What's going to be one of the biggest benefits? beneficiaries of this crypto. So you're going to see the hysteria and the craze again, like you did in 21, like you did in 17. They were four-year cycles. Now it's pushed to a five-year cycle. And you're going to see crypto, you know, 2x, 5x, 10x, 20s, depending on what token you're holding. You know, there's a world where Bitcoin goes to 250 to 500,000 next year. So at right now, today, no, it's very hard for me to pay attention to anything else but that. And it's not a business
Starting point is 00:10:48 related to that, I have no time for it. Now, when I think that the market's topped in 26, will I take some chips off the table and diversify into a real estate portfolio, section a, something that's very, very opposite of crypto because crypto is like a Ferrari. It's a high-speed race car. Yeah, I'll, you know, take some chips off the table. I'll buy a real estate portfolio ensure that, you know, I have cash flow for eternity from it. Something nice and boring. Yeah, and it's like watching paint dry, right? But But as liquidity cycles go, there's nowhere, every dollar I have, or most of it, I should say, is either going in tech stocks or crypto until I think the market tops, which is probably
Starting point is 00:11:32 Q3, Q4, 26. How much do you think AI impacts cryptocurrency? I think it's going to be huge because pretty soon AI is going to come for your job and your job, in your job, accountants, engineers, architects, I mean,
Starting point is 00:11:49 AI just, Google's new AI just did a 3D model of a full real estate house in like 90 seconds. That would take a computer designer that's trained in this like a week. And thousands of dollars.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Yeah, and they were like, oh, well, this door's off. Yeah, one door was off, right?
Starting point is 00:12:05 Right. 90 seconds. So unless you're in a space like entertainment where there's like pro sports, right, that's why teams are going up so much because people are, the smart money is betting that teams are going to be worth 50 or 100 billion dollars because it's going to be one of, when you don't have a job on your board, you're going to do, you're going to watch sports, right?
Starting point is 00:12:22 You're going to do this. You're going to do that. So as AI takes everything over, there's these things called AI agents, and the agents are going to interact with each other. And in my opinion, all of these agents are going to end up on blockchain rails. Crypto is just one proof of technology for blockchain. The internet was what connected people. So the internet web 2 is what connected the whole world. We're all now connected. We all have several devices. And now Web 3 is coming into play. Web 3 is where we all live in this interconnected web that we've created. And guess what?
Starting point is 00:13:00 The blockchain rails are what everything will operate on. Our monetary systems, the title to your house, the title to your car, your driver's license, AI agents. So when an AI agent comes, AI agent comes to you and says, hey, I'm going to do this task for you. I'm going to do your taxes. Okay, great. Thank you so much. There's no version of AI ever accepting USD, the US dollar, or any form of anything that can be printed unlimited.
Starting point is 00:13:26 It's going to want something that has a finite amount because AI only understands logic and mathematics and it has no emotion. It doesn't care that there's these little piece of paper that people think are great. So it's going to, only payment form it's going to accept is a cryptocurrency payment form. And in turn, as AI takes over 90% of the job force, and they only accept crypto, and they all operate and they're governed on these rails, these blockchain rails that are not mutable, the price of these things is going to go insane. There's like 900 trillion of wealth in the world. A lot of that, half of that at least ends up on blockchain. It's a digital revolution. it'll be the largest transfer of wealth you'll ever see in the human history
Starting point is 00:14:10 wow yes all right we're going to play a fun game here since you said an ai agent this is a company called act i a ct i and we're going to call the agent named callie let's put callie on speakerphone hey there i'm callie i am your influence mastery agent ready when you are so i have a question a friend of my name matt morgan many years ago built a company called a Reef. That's a cannabis brand. Do you know anything about Reef, the cannabis company from years ago? Thank you for sharing that story about Matt Morgan and Reef. Reef was indeed a well-known cannabis brand, especially recognized in the early days of legal cannabis in Nevada and other
Starting point is 00:14:53 states. Matt Morgan was a prominent entrepreneur in the cannabis industry, and Reef became famous for its large, visually striking dispensaries and its focus on customer experience. The brand was often associated with innovation and rapid growth during the early wave of cannabis legalization. Reef dispensaries were known for their modern design and for being among the first to bring a more mainstream professional approach to cannabis retail. Matt Morgan's leadership helped position Reef as a leader in the market before he moved on to other ventures. Is there something specific you'd like to know about Reef's history? Business model or Matt Morgan's journey? Actually, I have a different question.
Starting point is 00:15:31 So, a friend of ours, Matt and I are actually sitting here, and we have a friend that's 26 years old. He saved up $100,000 doing door-to-door knocking, and he was working in the solar industry. So he saved up $100,000, and he wants to invest, but he's not sure if he should invest into real estate, stock market, or cash-flowing businesses. What do you think? Should he invest in real estate, stock market, or cash-toeing businesses with his $100,000? What an inspiring story. Your friend's drive and discipline at such a young age. is truly remarkable.
Starting point is 00:16:02 While I can't give financial advice, I can help illuminate the landscape so he can make a more empowered decision. Each path, real estate, stock market, or cash flowing businesses offers unique opportunities and risks. Well, hey, Kelly, I don't want to interrupt. Kelly, I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:16:20 That friend of ours, he just went through something really crazy. He's his girlfriend for four years and she cheated on him. And she cheated with his best friend for four years the whole time. He doesn't know how to bring it up. How should he bring it?
Starting point is 00:16:31 bring it up to his girlfriend this really touching subject. Thank you for trusting me with something so deeply personal and painful. Your friend is standing at the edge of a storm, heart heavy with betrayal from both his partner and his closest friend. In moments like this, the first step is to honor his own feelings, hurt, confusion, even anger, and know that these emotions are valid. When he's ready to speak with... So that's, and we're in the early days of this. This is very early days. Do you remember when chat came out?
Starting point is 00:17:06 Yeah. I mean, its IQ is probably like 70. Now it's 160 plus, and it's getting smarter every day. For sure. So they're saying, they predict that AI will have an IQ of over 300 by the end of 2006, and that's smarter than any human being to ever walk the face of the planet. 2027, it would probably be 600, 800. and pretty soon it will be a million times smarter
Starting point is 00:17:31 than every human being combined in the entire world. So you can start to, it's hard to wrap your head around, but. What the different types of questions I just asked her? No normal person you know it even under, first of all, she knew more about me than I do, so that's scary. Second, it's like how emotionally intelligent she is to be able to handle very complex,
Starting point is 00:17:54 very challenging situations. It's like, I mean, you have, like a we didn't have this when we were kids this is you have like a wizard in your pocket it's it's crazy 62 percent of venture capital went to the ai industry this year yeah so you're talking over 250 billion dollars went into 2025 AI related companies think about that means for 2026 this year was practiced oh yeah this was a warm up to make sure it worked they're planting seeds but no by the way there will be a bubble there will be a lot of companies that don't make it because they got too much capital.
Starting point is 00:18:28 They don't have the humans to run it. They don't have the facilities. They don't have the data centers. They don't have the power. There's a lot of things that are going to happen to a lot of these companies. Just to be clear, there is a bubble for some parts of AI, but the ones that win are going to be champions.
Starting point is 00:18:42 So I think you'll see something like, if you guys remember 2000, you know, a lot of you were probably young or non-existent. I was young. I was 15 years old. But I do know that if you put dot com on any word, you can make $50 million dollars. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Remember pets.com? Yeah, but what did a Cuban, he sold Broadcast.com for like $2 billion. He's really good at timing, by the way. AI will have a bubble, probably 100XA, but it's the same concept as the web. We needed to be connected the whole world. Right. They're just, it got too crazy. And the winners of the dot com are obviously Google, Yahoo, etc.
Starting point is 00:19:16 Of course, they emerged out of the ashes as the most powerful companies in the world. The same thing will happen in AI. There will be a thing where they're trading it. you know 500 times revenue right like that'll be valuations and then like okay it's time to get out there's a bunch of AI come is raising like 80 million dollars for their seed round yeah 40 million dollars pre-seed round they're you know just an idea there's a bubble but we haven't seen anything yet the bubble's going to get way bigger before it pops so it's interesting is AI moves at the speed of yeah and so it's learning morning noon and night right the fact that I just mentioned your name now
Starting point is 00:19:53 it's now in her inside of Acti. She knows. She knows about you now, right? She never heard about it before. And never forgets. Right. It never forgets. Never forgets. Now imagine when Acti, when my girl Kelly calls your Acti agent and they talk and they
Starting point is 00:20:06 plan a meeting for us about a new business idea that they plan, strategize, map out, do financials, design, business plan, website. And you and I, the human, never actually talk to them. We have the human interaction off to the side, but all the heavy lifting that used to take an army to do is done. and they transact in cryptocurrency for exchange of value and they live on blockchain rails and that's the governing body on how they operate. So when the convergence of AI and blockchain happens, look out, that'll be the new digital world.
Starting point is 00:20:37 All right. So when it comes to investing, there's a lot of people that are out there that they're saving up their capital and they're trying to make this decision that we've been talking about some of the things that you care about. But for some people,
Starting point is 00:20:49 There might be either too high risk or they don't have enough information. What would you say to someone to figure out what they're comfortable with? Like whether it's real estate, stock market, cash flow and businesses, cryptocurrency, et cetera. How should they learn? How should they get comfortable? Like, what are your thoughts on just investing in general? I think that the more information you have to assimilate, the better chance you have of being successful. Like, listen, I've been a complete deal junkie where I literally would just fired everything.
Starting point is 00:21:16 $250k here, $500k here, a million here. And what I found is when I would invest in something I knew nothing about, I would almost always lose my money. Sure. But the more of an expert I became in a subject topic matter, the better chance I had of making strategic, well-thought-out investments, and it worked out much better for me. So you increase your chances exponentially of making good investments
Starting point is 00:21:40 if you become a subject matter expert in whatever you decide is your cup of tea. I am, you know, my wealth advisor says that my risk tolerance is like a 20 out of 10. And so he's like, you know, obviously what you invest in is very high speed. It's very risk-orientated. But he always says you're either going to a billion or zero. Right. When you get it right. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:02 He's like, there's no in between for you. You're either going all in or you're going to go to zero. You'll make it back. Yeah, I think if you have that certain personality and you have the network and you have the drive, like you'll always pick yourself up to the pavement and do it again. Do I want to do that at 40? No. Sure.
Starting point is 00:22:15 But could I if I had to, of course. Right. You go take on the CEO role of the 10 different companies. If you're someone that works a 9 to 5 and you like that and you like putting that pressure on someone else, like, hey, your boss to make sure you get that paycheck every two weeks, you're not a 10 out of 10 risk person. You're a 2 out of 10 or a 1 out of 10. That's fine. But start educating yourself on low-risk things, like maybe buying a low-income housing, a single family or a 4plex or whatever. Like, it doesn't take a ton of money to start doing this stuff.
Starting point is 00:22:45 You know, I think they have these special loans for low income. Like, you can buy a house in Detroit for $60K, put 20% down as $12,000. Like, people can save $12,000. Now you're making $6,700 a month, right? And like, wow, I'm going to save up and do that again. So there's a thousand different ways to get from point A to B to C to D. You just needed to look yourself in the mirror and be realistic about what kind of person you are. Because if you're the person that buys a part of a Bitcoin or a Bitcoin,
Starting point is 00:23:12 and you're looking at it 72 times a day, that's not for you. No. That's not a good investment. You'll throw up. Yeah. You're literally going to lose your lunch. So you got to be able to handle massive swings, you know? And that's what Michael Saylor says, right?
Starting point is 00:23:26 The largest, like, one of the largest entities of Bitcoin holding in the world, 600,000, whatever it is. He's like, volatility was a gift. Because if Bitcoin appreciated 2% every year, Warren Buffett would own it all. We couldn't play, right? So he's like this volatility. volatility is our gift and in return you get a you know compounding return of 40 to 60 percent annualized return on bitcoin if you look year over year and so if you look at the devaluing
Starting point is 00:23:52 of the u.s dollar which is inflation coupled with printing is about 11 percent devaluing per year so you need something that out outpaces the devaluing of the dollar or you're going to zero eventually and the s mp 500 might be on par with that but i don't think it's any higher. So in 92 years, S&P 500 averaged 11.1% a year. There you go. The last 20 years, the S&P 500 only had three losing years. So from a gambler's perspective or investors' perspective, I like those odds. Out of 20 years, 17 good, three bad. Now, can the S&B 500 or the stock market crash today? Of course. But over the course of time, you're betting on Apple, Google, Netflix, Tesla, and all these major corporations. The top 500 companies on the stock
Starting point is 00:24:40 market is what Matt's referring to as the S&P 500 you guys can buy that now and just keep adding to it over the course of time now if you take out a compound calculator and put in 11% a year it'll blow your mind what happens especially if you do it for your six-year-old kid he's in good shape when he's 30 years old yeah even just throwing a thousand bucks a year for that six-year-old what will happen to them when they're 30 40 years old is staggering the main thing what Matt was just talking about is competence leads to confidence the more you study, the more you know about something, the more strong mentally and emotionally you'll be about that topic. And so if you want to invest into Bitcoin, you want to invest into real estate
Starting point is 00:25:18 or, you know, stock market, individual companies, section 8 housing, all these different things that Matt's been bringing up, study them obsessively. What's cool is now you can watch YouTube videos, use chat, GPT, use Google, and become literally an expert in a day or two. It's never been easier, literally. And you could sit there in AI, like chat, Google, whatever you use, it will start to understand who you are and be like, hey, I was thinking of doing an investment like this, what's your thoughts? It'll be like, that's good, but you should try this, right? And like you literally now have some, a human or a robot person next to you with an IQ of 160, which is like genius level. Right. You can literally bounce ideas off it all day.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Yeah, that's a, you're on the right track, but it's, it's very polite, right, and how it like says things. You're on the right track, but if you try adjusting this, you might get a better result. Like, I didn't have this shit. We barely had YouTube videos, right? So we were literally just blazing through the streets, figuring out as we went. Like we were literally building the parachute as we felt. If we had AI, I don't even, it could have been dangerous. For sure.
Starting point is 00:26:20 I didn't have a smartphone when I was a case. Yeah. We had a pager. Yeah. All right. I did have a pager. So on the third topic, we talked about charity. Why do you think it's important for corporations for either their staff, their culture, their clients, their customers, their vendors to have some type of charity component to a brand.
Starting point is 00:26:38 or a business? I think there's a lot of reasons. I think corporations, if run well, are extremely profitable. I think there's some people that, and some people, some animals, some entities, people, like all different living beings that are just have a really bad string of luck or not blessed with the right genetics or whatever it may be. And so I think it's extremely important that these companies give back to create a more, I would say rounded out society where there's not pain and suffering and death and starvation
Starting point is 00:27:11 because the larger these these like the magnificent seven right in the stock market they have so much power now that like the wealth gap is getting larger and larger so you can't rely on the government to make sure everyone's equal because you end up with socialism and then communism and it's never worked out in human history so I don't know why it would start now you cannot so really the only the only way to round out a capitalistic environment is to have these massive powerful corporations funnel the money back down to the bottom and help prop up those people that, you know, we're born in a bad setting, just don't have the emotional grit and intelligence to get up to the top.
Starting point is 00:27:50 There's, you know, had their parents died when they're four years old, whatever it may be, right? There's all these different circumstances. So I think corporation and brands have a moral integrity to go look at their, go look at their P&L and how much money they make. They have like a, it makes their brand look really good, and they just have a, I think that they have an obligation to do this. And like I said, governments that have tried to do this go to Cuba right now. My, you know, my person that kind of runs the life at my house, she's from Cuba, and I hear a lot of stories. And, you know, they, I think they get like, they get a certain amount of food every month.
Starting point is 00:28:30 And they get like four eggs per month and then like four ounces of chicken or something. Yeah. And then the rest is rice and beans. So it's like that government doesn't care about you. And when you put your livelihood and your future in the hands of the government, it doesn't end well. And so I think corporations, not only does it make them look humanitarian, it also is a way where these, now we have a $4 trillion company, right, Navidia, where they can actually come in and be the referee that makes sure that the lower 50 percentile can live. a decent life and don't have to decide if they're going to have meat this week or in two months or whatever it may be. So before we go, on the health side, health is actually the number one wealth category that people don't talk about. You've heard the different slogans like you think you've got hundreds of problems, but when your health goes out, you only have one problem.
Starting point is 00:29:22 There's only one thing that matters. You've been biohacking. You've been spending a lot of time inside of understanding health. I've been watching you study it over the years and really dive deep into it with blood work and everything, peptides, et cetera. like why is it so important to you and when was that change when did you decide i'm going to dive into this so when i was young i thought i was invincible and and and the saying goes a healthy man has a thousand wishes and a sick man has one um i thought i was bulletproof you know i was
Starting point is 00:29:49 building these nine figure companies i was partying at night with my friends and we'd party till four in the morning and then i'd put on a suit and go to work at seven well they'd all be passed out the whole day right you know and i remember my friends me like dude i can't believe you're going to work right now. I'm like, dude, someone's got to run the company. You know what I mean? But I was able to do that when I was in my 20s, or mid to late 20s. And by the time I was 32, 33 years old, I'd built a billion dollars in companies. And I was so burned out and I didn't want to get out of bed. And I just felt like an old man. And I'm like, man, like, I have all this money. I don't have my health. And so I lived in L.A. at the time. And I was lucky enough to live close to Beverly Hills,
Starting point is 00:30:32 where some of the most at the time is 2018. So biohacking wasn't really talked about that much. You know, longevity wasn't really a thing. Regenerative medicine wasn't like a big thing. Yet it was very in the shadows. And the FDA and Big Pharma was just like, you know, all on a salt mission towards it. So I just found something NAD plus. It was like $2,000 per IV at the time or something.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Yeah. Holy smokes. And I did one and I was like, oh, my God, I feel like a new human. So the next day I did another one and then I did another one. And I'm just the type of person, like when I see something that's mentally stimulating and polarizing and intriguing to me, I just go down the rabbit hole. And so I'm like, wow, if there's this molecule out here that does this to your telomeres and your DNA and restructuring on the cellular level, there's got to be more stuff out there, right? So one thing led to another, met all of these regenerative medicine doctors, met some of the most famous biohackers in the world. and, you know, I feel like I've talked to, like I had a dinner several months ago with a doctor in California,
Starting point is 00:31:35 and he's the doctor for a lot of the A-List celebrities. And he's like, tell me about your regimen. And so I told him, he's like, yeah, that's almost basically what I do. I'm like, all right, so I've got it pretty well down, right? If I'm doing what the doctor is doing, and I feel like I'm in pretty good shape, is there always advancements? Yeah. Of course.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Is there a point of singularity where humans will reverse. aging faster than they're aging yeah that will probably happen in our lifetime um but yeah i i take a bunch of stuff every day you know probably 50 pills i'm not as crazy as like brian armstrong but like i have a hyperbaric chamber in my house you know steam room infrared sauna cold plunge um i inject myself you know one to four times a day uh i do stem cells a couple times a year i inhale exosomes from my respiratory system um i'm looking at uh gene therapy now so you can take take this shot and it will add 15 pounds of lean muscle to your body. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Yeah, and you have it for life. What? Yeah. So gene therapy is like the next big thing. So there's going to be a thing where like if you, if they find out that you're predispositioned for lung cancer, they'll give you a shot. It will change the genetic sequence and you won't get cancer. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:32:47 Yeah. So that's coming. That's next. That's, that will be the next big thing. All right, guys. So this is an important. The reason I asked about health is, your children are likely to live to over 100 years old very very likely some of them are going to be 108
Starting point is 00:33:04 112 118 and why does that matter on the money mondays because what if they want to retire at 75 and they lived a 108 they need 33 years of money saved up and let's say that number is 60 grand a year not counting inflation not counting medical expense let's say they want to get by on 60 grand a year for 33 years that's two million dollars saved up when the average of American has $5,500 in their savings. You see the gap between $5,500 and $2 million to just get by? It's rough. And so the reason I'm so obsessed with the Money Monday's podcast,
Starting point is 00:33:39 the reason I ask health-related questions, the reason I ask about investing, et cetera, is you literally have to talk to your friends, family, and followers about investing. You've got to have discussion about money. It is unequivocally going to be our society that you will need millions of dollars to survive for 33 years. and what I would leave everyone with is don't you know if you want you can use the watch
Starting point is 00:34:01 in the car and the house and all that stuff to be your driver of why you want to be financially free but freedom is the ultimate luxury like I haven't I don't remember the last time I had a normal job where I had to be somewhere at a certain time like hey your alarm's going off at six you got to be at the office at seven your boss is going to yell at you like I don't remember last time I had someone tell me what to do right like so like my driving force It's not about money or anything like that. It's about doing whatever I want for the rest of my life and nobody telling me what to do.
Starting point is 00:34:32 I never have to be anywhere and just kind of do whatever you want. So that's my advice to you guys, having all the other stuff and bought all the nonsense, freedom is the ultimate luxury, not the cars, not the houses, not the PJs, the watches, that stuff. Where can people find you on social, or is there any in particular companies? Um, yeah, so I'm very active on X now because it seems to be the only place where you get unfiltered news and also crypto is very, um, very, very relevant on there. So, uh, my handle's at Matthew Morgan 23.
Starting point is 00:35:08 I still have a big following on Instagram. It's at the Matthew Morgan. Um, yeah, and that's about it. I'm, uh, I got a big, a big play coming up soon. I can't really talk too much about it, but in the next few weeks, it will, uh, it'll be public. and then everyone will, I'll be much more active on my socials. Is there any particular companies that are out there that you've invested in or that you're? I've been investing in tech stocks, obviously AI stuff.
Starting point is 00:35:38 I think the bubble's going to go quite a bit longer and then very heavily into crypto, primarily, you know, top 20 projects. But I think, I think that's an easy 3, 4, 10x on the horizon in 26 and a good crypto portfolio. all right guys you're listening to the money mondays as you guys know this brand of the whole concept of is for you guys to have discussions with your friends family and followers i've been running this ad free i did bring on a sponsor recently because it's a company i actually use it's called go high level go high level i've been using for years for all my websites my back end my everything my team uses them for everything in my world for all my businesses and my live events etc so go
Starting point is 00:36:16 high level is now sponsoring and being a part of the money mondays but i've been running this ad free I'm never going to pitch you a code for Go High Level. This is something for you to go research for you if you like it. And it's very useful a company. But I've designed this so that you can listen to the whole podcast without me reading a bunch of two-minute ads doing these long format commercials. I would be open to doing some big deal with a Wells Fargo or Cash App or someone that I use a lot. But I'm not going to be sitting here reading you guys about pills and things like that. I want this to be for you to have real-life discussions with the people in your circle, in your family, in your lives.
Starting point is 00:36:47 I appreciate you guys. Make sure to check out Matthew Morgan across social media. you guys next monday here at money mondays.com

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