The Money Mondays - Get Your Money In Order with Sean Whalen & Boxing Champion Andre Berto 💰 | E12

Episode Date: May 1, 2023

Sean Whalen is a successful entrepreneur and speaker who founded “Lions Not Sheep,” which started as a social media movement and grew into a successful lifestyle brand. Whalen encourages individuals to live fearlessly and break free from societal norms which has struck a chord with many people, and Lions Not Sheep quickly gained a large following. Whalen went on to found other successful businesses, including a real estate investment company and a technology company. He has also been recognized for his philanthropic efforts, including his work with various charities and organizations that support veterans and their families. Overall, Sean Whalen's business accomplishments are a testament to his hard work, dedication, and entrepreneurial spirit. He serves as an inspiration to aspiring entrepreneurs everywhere, showing that with the right mindset and determination, anything is possible. -- Andre Berto is a former professional boxer and successful entrepreneur who has achieved success both in and out of the ring. Berto began boxing at a young age and quickly developed a reputation as a talented fighter. His professional boxing career spanned over a decade, during which he won multiple world titles and became one of the most recognizable boxers of his time. He retired from boxing in 2018 with a record of 32 wins and 5 losses, cementing his legacy as one of the sport's greatest athletes. Berto has also established himself as a successful entrepreneur, with a number of successful businesses to his name. He's the founder and CEO of several companies, including a fitness apparel line and a record label. In addition to his business ventures, Berto is also known for his philanthropic work. He is actively involved in a number of charitable organizations, including the Make-A-Wish Foundation and the Boys and Girls Club. Throughout his career, Andre has demonstrated a strong work ethic and a commitment to excellence both in and out of the ring and his accomplishments serve as an inspiration to aspiring boxers and entrepreneurs around the world. -- The Money Mondays is a business podcast here to teach you how to make money, invest money, and donate money by showcasing some of the world's most successful people and how they do the same. Hosted by serial entrepreneur Dan Fleyshman, the youngest founder of a publicly traded company in history, this money podcast gives you an exclusive behind the scenes look at how the wealthiest celebrities, entrepreneurs, athletes and influencers make, invest and donate money. If you want to learn more business and investing while you work to improve your financial life, you're in the right place! Subscribe for new weekly episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@themoneymondays?sub_confirmation=1 Dan Fleyshman, The Money Mondays

If someone were to offer you a free trip to the aliens for one year without any fear of harm, how much would you pay for that experience? Oh, everything. Everything. Everything. You sure all up? Yeah, for sure. 100%. 100%.

Because you know what the book deals would be in like 50B deals? I do wear way more money after that shit than right now. For sure. You can go back into David's life and alien for it. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. I'd get a $50 after that shit than right now. We're sure. Come back into David Letterman LN for sure. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, I've got a $50 million book deal in two seconds. You know what I'm saying? What you do with the aliens from the last year?

We're like, I'll tell you, they have a second. Oh for sure, dude. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Money Monday's podcast. I am here with my co-host, The Real Tarzan.

Ah! We have a very, very easy guest interview today, because this is one of my dearest friends on the planet. This guy has gotten almost one billion views on social media for his, how do I even say it? I would look on life. The way he explains things, the reality of life. Almost a billion views, probably more by now. he's built a company that does ten million dollars in sales for a pair of ten million dollars sales in coaching and everything

between we're gonna talk about money life maybe a little bit about aliens I want you guys to welcome Mr. Sean Waelian what is up guys what is up hey hey I like the aliens part let's do that how rich are aliens do you do you actually have money right yeah infinitely yeah to have the coolest spaceships you got to have Let's do that. All right. How rich are aliens? Do you actually have infinite? You can actually have infinite aliens. Yeah, infinitely. To have the coolest spaceships, you gotta have, exactly. I can say, you gotta have a fuck you money, right?

Yeah, fuck you money. To have a spaceship, you gotta have it. They won the money game. They're like digging metal off meter, right? Yeah, exactly. You don't have to sell them to your local. They own planets? Yeah.

People out here wanna have like a house for four and a cave. These guys don't have planets. We have galaxies, stars. All right guys. So that was our fun as intro We want to keep the money money's podcast in the top 10 business category We stayed that way for the last six weeks in a row with Sean Whalen here. I'm very excited about it You guys are gonna learn a lot here. You're gonna want to share a lot of clips I know there's gonna be a lot of edited 30 second of two minute clips that come from this because Sean is very direct very to the point

But mr. Whalen, please give us the two minute bio so we can get straight to the money. Lions and sheep, we've heard it, we've seen it, we've seen big giant freaking snake canelers wearing the gear, really excited about it. The brand is exploding. It's been a challenge growing it. It's a challenge growing any entrepreneur earlier in ever and in business, but I love that. I love coaching of Lions and that sheep, Lions Den, which is our coaching group, we have about 2000 people in 13 different countries. And that, it's been, it's been really fun,

so Lions and sheep is denting the universe and I feel like we're just getting started though, that's what's cool about it. Where did the name, Lions and not sheep come from? After my divorce, I went through a really dark period of time and it came to me one day. And actually, a lot of people don't know this, but it became my personal mantra for almost two years.

So I actually wrote it on my bathroom mirror and just it was literally my own personal, like kinda Sean 2.0 post divorce post bankruptcy. Like this is my coming back, if you will, and was literally my mantra before I ever spoke to anybody else, before it was ever on a t-shirt or a hat or anything like that. And then a couple of years later, I made a t-shirt

and it was posted on social media one day, somebody saw it sent me a message and said how do I get one of those I'm like I don't know I just had my buddy make this to me kind of a deal and that was where the apparel took off and started. And when did you decide the turning point from entrepreneur, social media star, business guy to actually start coaching people? Dude I was resistant to it for a long time. I thought coaching was stupid.

I didn't get it. You know what I mean? I was like people would call and I just talked to it for a long time. I thought coaching was stupid. I didn't get it. And I was like, people would call and I just talked to him and chop it up and shoot the shit. And I realized that there was some real value in the experiences that I'd had. And the lessons that I had learned through divorce, through bankruptcy, I mean, you learn a lot losing millions of dollars.

You learn a lot going through heartache. You learn a lot going through a divorce. And so I had some good friends that were coaches at the time, reach out and just say, look, man, you really should be helping people. You should really formalize this and start to help people answer questions and build their lives back up. And so it was a couple of years after I launched Lions

not sheep that I had my first little event and offered a $97 coaching program that started with one person and then two people and then 200 people and then 2,000 people and it's just It's grown like crazy over the last 7-8 years. That's wild. Yeah, that almost nine years. Lions then's been in existence for almost nine years nine years ago. I started it that When you started the clothing brand how many years has that been? Officially we started selling merch in 2020, but I started in 2016

So 2020 started to merge. Yeah. And you were doing five, 10 million bucks in sales within the first couple of years. We did, within our first six months, we hit our first million dollar month, which was really, really incredible. Oh wow.

The first million dollar month. Oh wow. Yeah, it was November of 2020. Black Friday. Yeah, it was pretty good. We did well with Black Friday and Cyber Money, but yeah, we had, everything was just organic. People would see me wearing it online

and I had my mom making our gear. So like, literally, I had one heat transfer. Somebody would come to Lionel Sheep.com, they'd see the T-shirt, they'd buy it. My mom would literally make it, mail it, send it out. We do 20 shirts a month, maybe, if that just organically. But as the tribe grew, as the coaching group grew, as the brand grew, I just decided like,

I really feel like there's a space that we could enter into with an official apparel line. Like legitimately take it seriously, start to market it, push it, new designs, new concepts, besides just kind of like our OG design, and I'm glad that I did, because it took off. Yeah. All right, so on the Money Money Podcast,

we talk about three main topics. How do you make money? How do you invest money? How do you give it a way to charity? And we'll also talk about aliens a little bit today. So on the first topics. How do you make money? How do you invest money? How do you give it away to charity? And we'll also talk about aliens a little bit today. So on the first topic, how do you make money? We've been talking about coaching, info products, and obviously the clothing brand itself.

Why is it important to have multiple streams of income or multiple businesses or multiple investments so that you're not all in on any one thing? For me, it's, I love, I have severe ADHD. So for me, it's kind of a natural, like I have to be doing multiple things. I'm stimulated by having different ventures, different ideas, different things that come into my brain. So for me it's always been that way. I've always been doing multiple things at one time. I don't know why other people do it,

but for me it's just simply based off of my inability to focus on one specific thing for an indefinite period of time. But for me also knowing that there's a lot of things that I don't know about the marketplace that other people do that I can invest my money with that ultimately pay long-term dividends, long-term returns, restaurants being one of those. I started investing in restaurants a couple years ago. I'm not an operator. I'm not flipping the burgers and doing the deal, but I also understand that guy is the do.

And so backing some restaurants and investing in some restaurants was one of my ventures outside of my day to day operations that has done really, really well for me. But I think having multiple sources of income is a good thing if you know what you're doing. And if you actually are paying attention to what you're doing versus just trying to do it because it seems cool. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Why do people or business owners, entrepreneurs need coaches? You have to know what you don't know. And this took me a long time in business, took me going through a bankruptcy to realize that, I know what I don't know, and I have to have the humility enough

to come to somebody and say, teach me something, right? I mean, the quickest way to success is finding somebody that has the result that you want and investing in their skill set to teach you. I mean, the guy who's got the six pack, the quickest way to get a six pack is to just pay him to teach you how he got a six pack. Same thing in business, a guy who's built a $100 million

parallel brand, I'm just gonna pay him to teach me, hey, what did you do along the process from, you know, zero to five, five to 10, 20 to 30 kind of deal and he gives you the data and you just apply that to your own recipe and spit out the return. But for me, it's like, once I understood the value of coaching, I'll never go without a coach. If I say this coach, business coach,

man, we have a marriage coach, my wife and I have a marriage guy who's been married for who knows how long it's really frigging sweet guy. And every time we go, our marriage isn't in trouble, but we invest in that because we want to know more. We want to deepen our marriage. And for us, it's like in every facet of my life, I have a coach and I tell people the same thing.

Why wouldn't you do that? You know what I mean? So you often have this line, get your house in order. Yeah. What does that mean? My goal as a man is to need nothing. Like I want to need nothing, emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, physically, and whether you call it the end

of the world, whether the aliens come down, whether the government fucks the whole thing up, who knows, right? I mean, like, we want the aliens to come down. But at the end of the day, man, like getting your house in order emotionally and psychologically is not something that we're taught. I was never taught that as a kid. I was never taught like the psychological strength

in empowering yourself and reading books and education and growing, you know what I mean? The same thing financial like getting your house in order like 80% of this country lives paycheck to paycheck. But they think because they have a job that they have security, there's nothing more dangerous to you and to your family than not knowing that you're gonna live past another paycheck. You know what I mean?

So getting your financial house in order, your physical house in order, being able to physically protect yourself as a man is super, super, super important. Something that I'm always talking about with Lions and on sheep, with the end goal being needing nothing, being able to provide for yourself emotionally, psychologically, spiritually and physically without needing anything from anybody. Tarsam. The content that you create gets you literally literally, like 200 million views a month.

Sean, I don't know the number. I think it was a billion views last time I checked. I think that was like a few months ago. When you guys get this type of eyeballs on you, yesterday we were walking to the airport and you got stopped 37 times. Like, how do you guys deal with the actual like real life stuff? Because a lot of people say they want to get famous or be able to personal brand. And so you get famous and you can't walk through the airport.

Both of you guys just talk about the real life part of building a person a brand and what happens in that transition. Well, I mean, I personally love it. I appreciate it. You know, it's got me to go around the world, see different perspectives of life, meet people, take my brand to a next level, work with tons of different species of animals from professionals. Like I want to work in primatology. So I go to hang out with actual real primatologists, like a coach, or a recent with Australia.

And I get to hang out with people that live out in the outback. I want to learn about venomous snakes, top 10 venomous snakes on a planet coming from Australia. So being famous is a great thing, but also has its perks of like really catapult you and too what you want to do as your passions, like your dreams.

You know, I wanna, you know, I have my own merch as well, Wild Breed and Wild One, you know, my whole Wild brand. We got the Wild Jungle. So all these things are just like, I use it as a motivation when I go, you know, I don't go out much when I go to airport and people were like, hey, what's up?

You know, one guy asked me yesterday, can he work for us, you know? I'm like, you guys cool. They got airport and people were like, hey, what's up? One guy asked me yesterday, can he work for us? You know, I'm like, you got to work at JetBlue, ask to work for us at school. That's how you put application up. Yeah. Can I work for you guys? It's like, well, that is so crazy, man.

So I take it all with a grain of salt, and I love it. And I really just, I soak it in, man. And I appreciate it. I don't ever take it for granted. I say, hi to everybody. Shake everybody's hand. I never, I never, ever in my life refuse a photo from anybody, you know, gave everybody my personal time because they helped change my life, you know. Yeah, I agree. It's the same thing. I'm humbled by it. It's really a homily experience when

you know that something that you're passionate about that you shared in this world of social media that just floated out into the cosmos and it landed on somebody's phone and they took the time to watch it and then they became a fan and then follower and then a customer or whatever whatever. It's really truly humbling to me and it's really cool for me knowing that just me living my life being a dad, being a husband, being a father, a patriarch, a business owner, just me living my life and sharing that every single day is helping thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, perhaps, to truly dent their own universe.

You know what I'm saying? It's really, really, really humbling. I'm the same way. I've never walked past anybody. It's like people come up to you in a restaurant, they come up here, do it, I love your stuff, follow it on social media. What's been really cool since I've been married,

I've been married for two years now, is my wife getting stopped. Like that's really fun for me now. They're like, when the women, because I'm used to it being me, and now like women, they normally come, like, oh my God, I love your stuff, and they go up right to her.

And I'm like, yes, hell yeah, I love that shit. It's so freaking cool, but it's truly, truly, truly humbling. So the second category we like to talk about here is investing. You mentioned earlier, you've been investing in a bunch of restaurants. Why did you choose restaurants, and what other things do you like to talk about here is investing. You mentioned earlier you've been investing a bunch of restaurants. Why did you choose restaurants and what other things do you like to invest into? My first investment is me.

I love investing into me. I love investing into my mindset, my skillset. I love investing in experiences. You're not really getting divvied in other memories, but to me right now in my life where I am, the most important thing to me is memories. I've got five kids from 20 down to 11. So for me, I want to play the, like, game of life to where if I was to check out tomorrow, I obviously have my financial house and work for my family, but I'm investing in memories.

I'm investing in experiences. So I think we joked about that, like, the end of last year, we were talking about what are you investing in next year, and I was like, experiences, memories. And, but I definitely think that knowing where you can put your money into a marketplace where you have like restaurants, for example. I got into restaurants because the management group that was running these restaurants is good.

I mean, they're top notch. They're expanding, they're growing, they're making money. So for me, it was like, this is a place that I can put my money, not worry about it. Trust the individuals that, you know, I'm investing with, partnering with. But for me, number one, like every single day I wake up, it's just with, partnering with, but for me, number one, like every single day I wake up, it's just like, I want to invest in me first.

I find that that's given me the biggest dividend, the biggest return of anything that I've ever done. It also takes investing a lot of time, right? You have to make a decision of what you put your money, your time, your personal brand behind. I'll start with you, Tarzan. How do you choose what you actually put your name, likeness, time, money behind? Well, when you have a big brand like how all three of us have, you know, you have to be real particular, who you spend, you know, your time with, you know,

who you get in bed with business with, you know, and I think I said before, being congruent with your message, with your brand, with your outlook, you know, you've even talked about investing in your fears earlier. I like to invest in things that's gonna make me better. I can have 25 different drink companies wanting to go to business with, but I rather work with Arizona IST for free. But does send me out to the Galapagos

to see different iguanas and do some research and hang out, or I can get a check from somebody else. And it's like, I don't get that experience. I'm investing in something that can really teach me without the actual money aspect, but it just gives me more value if that makes sense. Yeah. So interesting you said investing in your fears.

A couple of years ago Sean bought a snake. Yeah, we just talked about that. And you're sitting next to the number one snake. I don't know where he's going. He's like, oh, it's a good looking snake. the story like what when you say investing to your fears explain that dude I I bought the race car started racing cars because of this I was definitely afraid of snakes and It kind of goes back to my Jordan story I live 40 years without ever buying a pair of Jordans. I got a four Jordans

But I wrote my brain like I had this story like yeah, I could afford all these shoes But I've never bought them and so I somehow have this weird wrote in my brain like I had this story like, yeah, I could afford all these shoes but I've never bought them. And so I somehow had this weird story in my brain like this was like this heroic, noble thing that I'd never bought the Jordans. And I ended up buying a pair of Jordans and it was really spiritual, you know, the story. It was a spiritual experience for me.

It sounds funny to some people, but that sent me down the path of looking in my life, saying, how many other stories do I have? I'd never had a bad experience with a snake before, but I hated snakes. One of my dearest friends, he breeds these snakes, I have? I'd never had a bad experience with a snake before, but I hated snakes. One of my dearest friends, he breeds these snakes, and I'd always go up to his place, he's got hundreds of them, and I'm like,

hey, yeah, that's cool, we need to hold him over there. I'm like, I'll just touch it for a second, I'm good. And it just literally came to me one day, and I called him, and I was like, yo, man, I want a snake. And he's like, what are you talking about? You know, like snakes. You fucking hate snakes.

Why do you want a snake? I'm like, no, dude, I want a snake. Give me a snake, give me the one that I can I can grow with and learn from and Long story short he ends up bringing the snake to my house Sets the whole thing up and he's like you have to play with this thing You have to touch this thing and like hold it in order for it to appreciate people and not buy people and shit And the very first day that he left it was one of those funny things where I went over to it And was like I pulled this little teeny ret teeny articulated out and I'm holding it and

And it starts like climbing around me and climbs up on my head And it was one of those moments where I was like looking for the pet store guy. I'm like where's the guy? Yeah, yeah, get this thing off me guy. I am the best store guy and we had a really cool spiritual experience Like it's really funny like sat there and like looked up at me and I'm looking at this snake and I'm like This snake doesn't know me anymore than I know it. Like, why am I afraid of these things? And I realized that for 42 years, I had been afraid of snakes, told myself, sold myself the story that I was afraid of snakes, but I had zero reason to be.

And so in that moment, I started literally looking at every aspect of my life. Like, okay, what else am I afraid of? What else do I have a story about? And I've just been checking off the list, I bought a race car last year, racing cars professionally. I'm terrified, lining up in a story about, and I've just been checking off the list about a race car last year, racing cars professionally. I'm terrified, lining up in a supercar, it's doing 160 miles an hour with dudes

have been racing for 20 years, like what business do I have doing that? I don't know, but it was something I was scared of, so I did it. For me, now it's like looking at all of these things that are your fears and just checking them off one by one, going down that list of, here's a story, okay, that's story check, check, you know, same thing.

So, butters is my snake, and me and butters have a cool relationship, man. Guys, not to mention, he actually got the longest snake on the planet. Which I can't even know at the time. I still feel like he's my snake. They get about 24 feet long. Yeah.

Instead of snake, well, two years, all right? 24 feet. Yeah, they get 24 feet. You have 10, two years, all right? But butters is about 12 feet right now. Come on sort of God. You remember butters on the table with it on the stutter. Butters is sealing the floor now. No, wow. It's where he got it. Butters could fit on this table before butters. Butters was teeny when I got butters butters are grown fast. Oh my god. It's crazy, dude. Wow. So she's supposed to be like 14 15 feet

130 140 150 pounds. So at some point in time, I'm gonna have to be like, okay, like, do I donate this to a zoo? Do I keep this thing? What do I do? I'll bring it to your house. You know, I'm gonna have a place for it. I have a lot of snakes now. I'll trade you a lot of small ones. Oh, I'm done.

I know, done. Butter's part two. Okay, so when you say investing into your fears, let's talk about people that are listening, how can they invest into themselves? What are the things that they can do, whether it's get a coach, Lions not cheap, Lions are the Lions in coaching, like, what are listening. How can they invest into themselves? What are the things that they can do, whether it's get a coach, Lions not cheap, Lions aren't the Lions in coaching.

Like, what are the things people can do to invest themselves to make themselves better? Dude, learn something, man. I mean, we have infinite, what do we really know? What do you really know? You know what you know, but there's so much that we don't. You know what I mean? I'm a huge fan of education and study.

I love studying shit. I bought a book on botany. I don't know why I was just I was interested It's plants and learning shit and I've just bought this ranch And so I want to learn about trees and what trees grow in this vegetation and stuff like that And it it's not something that I woke up like just yeah, I'm gonna go buy this book But I realize this is a knowledge base that I don't have and so I'm literally investing in myself and investing in my knowledge The same thing. I love private aviation. Study and airplanes, learning airplanes,

different things like that. So, you can't ever go wrong with education. I don't think any human being could ever go wrong with education. You're never gonna read a book, learn something and be like, man, that was dumb. I wish I'd never done that. And I truly believe the more that you expand

your mindset there and wanting to learn and wanting to grow and wanting to expand, that trickles over in every other aspect of your life. You become more valuable. You become your life. You become more valuable. You become more knowledgeable. Sure. You become more knowledgeable. You become a better asset to whether you're working for somebody else as an employee or

as an employer or the more knowledge you have. So for me, it's like, dude, people should just be hungry for knowledge. It should be hungry for information. Seeking out everything that they can, attending classes, hiring coaches, going through black sight, learning different things. Most people don't know how to shoot a gun, going and training black site and learn tactical movement, things like this, you'll never regret any of that.

So for me, like I'm 44 and I'm soaking everything up, hiring people, working with people, going to classes, doing things as much as humanly possible, just to gain my own knowledge and expansion. Right. I still sit at the events that we speak at, I still sit through them. And listen, to listen to the people I look up to.

Yeah. Or our peers. Or people that, by the way, they're just an expert in one thing, and if I learn that one thing, it changes my whole life at the studio. Think about when you start to have a company doing two million or ten million or 20 million or 50 million, et cetera, and you learn how to do something two percent better.

Yep. Two percent better. To huge dividend. And you learn how to do something 2% better. 2% better. It's a huge dividend. And then think about it, that doesn't go away. When we had our 100 million mastermind, it's $100,000 to join the group. 2019, we sold out the group in a couple of months. My only pitch, besides being in a room full of instructors and just like most masterminds, my only pitch was, this is for people doing 10 million or more,

and do you think that with 100 members and 20 instructors, we can help your business make or save 1%. If we can help you make or save 1%, then it's free. 100 grand is free. Oh, and by the way, you're now gonna have that knowledge forever. So if you do 10 million this year, 14 million next year, 22 million next year, the year after, and we helped you save 1%

It's not just free. We helped you make money, right? And it was So sold sold sold everybody jumped in because one little thing compounds I'm like you just said that information doesn't go away. You learn how to drive a car shoot a gun CPR, etc When that moment comes you need to perform CPR You might literally save someone's life just because of the knowledge inside your mind. Yep. Actually had that situation twice. I was in my office, a girl who 28 year old girl, you'd never think twice about it. She just working in the room. There's one other girl in there. That's it. There's two girls in the room. Nobody else. And out of nowhere, she turns bright red purple and we don't know why. She's not saying anything. We think it's a joke.

And she realized she just had like a piece of chicken stuck in her shape. And CPR learned 11 years ago jumps in effect and I, and chicken bone goes flying. Anyways. I'm glad it worked out. She's live by the way, she made it. But if I didn't learn CPR, I don't know what I would have done. I might have done it wrong.

I might have broke a rib. I might have like cruddy chopped her and she might be dead. I might have done it wrong. I might have broke a rib. I might have like, the karate chapter and she might be dead. Or I might have just messed something up. And just that one little piece of knowledge changed the tragedy of her life at least. And if she would have died in front of me, oh my God. My discussion right now would be way different. I'd probably be somber about it. I'd be crying because I let a girl die in front of me

because I didn't know how to perform CPR. I had a fitness coach one time, paid him for 90 days. and it's funny because I paid him a lot of money for it. People were like, why would you do that? And those three months, I have all of that programming forever. I can take that 90 day window and inject it into my life anytime I want, every single workout, every single deal, the entire meal plan.

I only paid for one time. Right. I paid for it five years ago. So you think about it from that perspective, like you go extract something from somebody's brain, you have that forever. I have that 90 day workout plan that I can do at any given time whenever I want forever and I paid for at one time. This is what I try and like get people to understand, join a mastermind, join a group, spend six months, 12 months, whatever it is in there, extract everything that you can from that,

put it into your, you know, life, and then go do that again, and again and again, and you'll be using stuff like that years from now. I'll be using that workout forever. You know what I mean? There's a, there's different versions of what I'm about to say that people have brought up over the years. If you were 77 years old, how much would you pay

to be 57 years old? Oh yeah. How much would you pay for 20 years back? Yeah. If someone passes away that's close to yeah. How much would you pay for 20 years back? Yeah If someone passes away that's close to you How much would you pay for one more year with that person or even that dog? Yeah, like how much would you pay for one more year? The numbers are most people say are infinite right prices almost everything right When you're in that hospital bed How much would you pay for one more month hanging out with your kids or one more month being around your family members?

It's almost infinite because in those moments nobody cared that you got them a third house or a fourth car. They care about that you played volleyball with them and basketball with them and pick about with them and you went to Costa Rican Cabo with them. And so when I think about things like that, that's why I overdo it. I say I'm intentionally teleporting nonstop all around the country all around the say. I'm intentionally teleporting nonstop all around the country, all around the planet. I'm intentionally flying around because we're going to die real soon. We don't know if it's in one week, one month, one year, 10 years, 100 years.

But even 100 years is real soon when you really think about the grand scheme of the universe has been around for, you know, who knows, hundreds of millions of years. Since the aliens created it. Since the aliens created it. So that's a good segue in tailings. We've never talked about money Monday's aliens before, and we're probably never gonna talk about it again, but since Sean and William are here, let's do it.

Should we face time Casey on this one and get her involved? She's gonna be really bummed she wasn't part of this conversation. So Casey, if someone, or to offer you a free trip to the aliens for one year without any fear of harm, how much would you pay for that experience? Everything. Everything. Everything. For sure, 100%.

Because you know the book deals would be like TV deals. I do wear way more money after that shit than right now. For sure. I'm not even a David L.A. For sure. For sure. I'd get a $50 million book deal in two seconds. I do you were way more money after that shit than right now Yeah, I'd get a $50 million book deal in two seconds You know what I'm saying what to do with the aliens for the last year like I'll tell you I'm sucker for sure dude. I mean that to me that's like the experience right like what would you pay to go to space? I want to go to space. It's kind of on my bucket list at some point time when that Becomes available just to do it and I joked with Saxony my wife

I'm like I want wanna do date night in space. I wanna get to a place in my life where I can call whoever has the space ship. Or like, yo, Wednesday night's date night. How long is the trip? We go up for two hours, do some dinner up there, you know, eat a hot pocket. And like, I eat a hot pocket in space

and you come back down here and you know, they have a version now, it's like 250k, it'll get cheaper, but you basically just go like this and it's just for the night. Like, it's a couple hours yeah I want to go up I want to like go to moon it looks like I think they're gonna make I heard they're gonna make it 55k and I think when they make it 55k they'll be sold out like that that business for years rush it yeah for sure I'm there 55k but it's like a short, like I said, it's just like a short trip up and down. We're not far off from that.

I mean, do Mosk, SpaceX is sending up a rocket a week right now. I mean, up and back. Like he did nine in one day. That's insane. Nine in one day. And they laid in on something the size of this RV, they land right back in the same spot. They literally like reprep it, shoot it back up.

Reprep it, shoot it back up. They make a rocket laying on the same spot Yeah, that guy's alien. We're close. He's an alien for sure There's alien on planet 100% E1. Here's what I get him on the show. Here's my number one Here's what I say I Talked to Casey about over and over if time traveling exists Elon Musk is the one that did it Think about no other human history I said more than one

multi-billion dollar company. Sorry, there's a couple of guys that have two multi-billion dollar companies. Nobody else has more than two multi-billion dollar companies. He's got four at the same time and growing, and I think Starlink is gonna make him a trilliner. The Starlink Wi-Fi that we're actually adding to this, we just got it for the RV.

The Starlink Wi-Fi that's on like JetSuite X flights is so fast you can like download videos in a plane You can put it on RVs and put it in the middle of the desert something bad. It happens in Ukraine or Romania or Uzbekistan all of a sudden He's two days later. There's Wi-Fi. Yeah, it's crazy think about what happens at scale when there are Whole countries and continents that haven't had Wi-Fi ever ever and now this guy's just gonna drop fucking satellites What he's doing? He's shooting. he's rocking something going up there you have to ask him though you get him on the show you got to ask him this k because supposedly and again it could be the total lie but they shot the the Tesla road strip there

and they shot it towards Mars you know I'm talking about yeah like I want to know what's in it you know they put the little little action on looking guy in there like what he's sticking the trunk what secrets did he put in that where he's like nobody's gonna fucking know he's shot it to Mars he's sticking the trunk what secrets did he put in that where he's like nobody's gonna Fucking know he's shot at tomorrow's he's like 30 years from now I'm gonna go get that thing or somebody's gonna find out. I want to know what's in that Tesla Roadster You know I'm saying I think all right Now we're gonna switch from aliens to the other topic. I have never discussed on money Mondays and I rarely ever will and it's politics

Well here we go see I get Sean Wailin are you are or well let's just say what percentage chance are you going to run for the president of United States of America? In my lifetime 100. 100% 100% Sean Whalen is going to run for sure for sure. Do it a full shot. Here's the here's the way that I look at it. I'm working on some projects. I'm I don't you know I don't have small goals. I've got big goals I'm really trying to push the envelope. I would love to make a billion dollars I've got some really clear plans that I think I can do that with The last two presidencies them the average price that they've spent is about five hundred and thirty five million dollars

That's what they're they're total investment was in the presidency I would love nothing more than to just be able to write a five hundred be like all right Who's the best me the best guys the, dude. Look, here's 500, let's just round it up to a solid 600 million by me, this by me, the by me, 100 Pennsylvania, like I want to go live in the White House, you know what I'm saying? I think we're, I think it's, it's a lot more feasible than we think, though, for someone like me, someone like Andy Fricilla, a guy, a normal guy, we're seeing that. I mean Trump kind of paved the way for some really interesting conversation around

that. And I think more and more and more that this country is moving into a direction where we don't want politicians anymore. We want a normal ass dude. It's in there that's not going to be in there for 40 years. Go in, do your free-conspicuous duty, come home, call it a day kind of a thing. So I think someone like me, someone like, you know, for Silla, whoever, whatever, you're gonna see that happen. But 100% I'm gonna run for it. I've always said, and I've never wavered from this,

I wanna see a true CEO, business guy, in the office, because America is a business. It's the biggest business on the planet. We're bigger than any other country, we're smaller than all of them, but we're bigger as far as a global domination force, even though they're trying to take a lot of those things away from us because we have a week president currently.

I would love to see a true businessman CEO in that office because think about what we really need. What do we care about as citizens, taxes, our paved roads to be, be safe to have efficiency? Well, CEO is going to figure out how to get the roads paid in the fastest time, right? 15 years for freeways in St. Louis. In LA, it takes 15 years, 12 years for freeways. By the time they're done with it, they're already tearing up parts that they just did again.

Right. And it's this non-stop cycle. But if you had a CEO like Elon Musk, he built the boring tunnel roads underneath in a couple years. So a CEO can do it in a couple years, but we can't do it above ground. He's going underground. We can't do it above ground in less than 12 to 15 years

and spend billions dollars for asphalt and concrete. So here's a question that I got to ask you then. What would it take for you to run for president? To take the politics out of politics. OK. The only true reason that I don't like politics what would it take for you to run for president? To take the politics out of politics. Yeah, okay. The only true reason that I don't like politics is the politics part of it, is that there's a lot of fakeness, backstabbing,

side deals behind the room deals, and I don't mind the concept of side deals except that they're doing it self-serving, not for the country. Imagine if the CER business person did like what I do for my businesses and you do your business, I do a lot of side deals and partnerships and collabs, et cetera. So nothing wrong with collabbing with foreign countries and even enemies and partnerships

to make sure for the business, which is the country. Right. But when you do it to make yourself richer, you know, that's the problem to me. That's why I want someone who's independently wealthy in there that doesn't need to go borrow $535 million in the office. Like, I would love to see someone like DeSantis going there to fight and win need to go borrow $535 million on the office. Like, I would love to see someone like DeSantis go in there to fight and win for it.

I don't know if he can afford it. I think he'd be a great option for us because we have someone similar to Trump that actually has really good on camera, speaks really well, it has common sense. I love that part of it. I would like to see someone in that fashion. The only reason I wouldn't do it

is I'm not gonna go sit and smile in the cameras 14 times a day in the foreign countries that I don't think I actually have our best interest at heart and they're working back deals for their own self-interest If we were working on side deals commission deals Hey, if you do this for Saudi Arabia for oil we want 10% great But not 10% said the family. I don't I don't like that part. Yeah And that's never gonna change because people are self-serving. And that's why I built my businesses in my life to be all for my businesses and companies

because if I put it all under one big umbrella, everyone wins. And I feel like too often we've watched some, you see the stats and the screenshots all the time, politician goes in making 240 grand a year and now she's got $19 million in bank. Yeah, okay. Yeah Me no bomb bomb. What was he worth like a million dollars?

You know any is worth like 200 something million dollars right now. It's crazy Okay, she or no, we're gonna get him now. You were to return the money show it in politics We talked a lot about it. Why does my podcast these those are Elon Musk from for president or some shit like that, you know? So Elon can't right is from South Africa. Right. There are business guys of that, that level that was considered it. I forgot the name, not Steve case. There's a big, really big billionaire business guy that's considered it. They don't have enough fame and you need to have fame.

Yeah. And if you don't have fame, like the Democrats never have fame behind them, they have the money to make that person famous. Which is interesting because even when you make them famous uh... doesn't mean that they convert perfect example by the does events

small venues and doesn't fill it up trump does events and i'm not saying about trump provided that parts of relevant to me from personal brand perspective the conversion rate is trump fills up stadiums trump fills up stadiums, Trump fills up arenas, and he always has and he always will. Biden doesn't. He'll have an event in this parking lot, and he won't fill the parking lot up. And so from a realist perspective, and from a social media guy, agency perspective, I just don't see that part,

they propped him up, but doesn't have the conversion rate. And so there are interesting character, I think Robert Kennedy just applied yesterday to become run for presidency He has the legacy name so he has the bloodline, but you need someone to prop you up to be make that person famous Yeah, and I think that's a very big deal for the future I we could see the rock do it. You could see someone like that. That is the most famous That'd be interesting. Yeah, I'd be down for that and i don't i don't align with him politically on some things you know i mean but uh... you know i i think those are the people you want to see in there the people are politicians

you know you're not looped into the back door deals that you're talking about i think that's really like george washington the very first president's country didn't want to be president like you want to like when they form the country like he had to be kind of pulled in and roped in like no you need to do this and persuaded by his friends he didn't want to do it. Those are the people you want in the country. Is there a way to do a job?

Do the job? Then go home. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Alright, last segment we'd like to talk about how to give money away to charity. When you think about charity I like to be clear about it. It's not just about money. It's time, energy, and focusing on something

and rallying the community together behind something. We did our toy drive literally at your warehouse. When we did the World's Argus toy drive, the day before was 160,000 toys in Los Angeles. A week prior to that, I said, hey, Sean, can we borrow your warehouse? And not only say yes, you brought in the whole team, and we loaded up your warehouse with like four days notice. And the whole community whole community came out to drop off toys and the community came out to pick up toys all

efficiently in nine hours. How do you decide what charities you align with, whether you're writing a check or putting your name behind? The biggest one for me right now is OUR and I do operations with OUR in addition to giving them the money operation on the ground railroad. They work with sex trafficking and in addition to giving them the money operation on the ground railroad, they work with sex trafficking and that, but one of the things that I do that I'm really passionate about and might sound really trivial and small, but I love being out and giving people money

like wherever I can, in the food service industry. I love tipping and I tip really, really well, not just like 50% or 100%, but I look at me as that's charity. Like, knowing that this is a person, like 50% or 100% but like I look to me as that's charity. Like, knowing that this is a person, the hardworking, I've seen it happen so many times that you leave somebody an extraordinary tip, you know, a thousand dollar tip on a hundred dollar meal. And I try to get out before the person comes

because I just want it to be there. But every now and again, you see some of the, it'll come up and they'll say like, you have no idea like this just happened in my life. And every now and again, you see some of it, it'll come up and they'll say, like, you have no idea, like this just happened in my life. And to me, that's charity. To me, like me being able to make that dent in the universe, it's fine to write a check, write a check to whoever, but I can touch that, I can see that,

I can experience that, and that really fills my cup. But I also know that I can do a lot more good with my own money that way than giving to the Red Cross or the you know, as big charities. But OUR is really the only one that I'll donate money and I also donate time to. And then addition to that, just giving my own money to people when I can. Can you give us a quick story from OUR Mission?

Yeah, it's very real, it's very dark. And I think that a lot of people don't realize how real it is. Saxony and I were down on operation last year in South America, in a very popular tourist town, and you would be surprised how easy it is to purchase human beings. Sound real? I don't want to turn this dark and whatever else, but it's very real. And we're literally right across from a senior frogs, like touristy town area, and you can purchase human beings in these places.

And I'm not just talking prostitutes. How much? I mean, you purchase kids for a couple thousand dollars. That is. Where is there, and it's all over the place. I don't mind getting a little dark, because I'm going to ask people to donate to this. It's, oh, you are a really unique organization.

I know Tim Ballard really well. He's a dear friend of mine. I mean, I've personally been on undercover operations and it is extraordinarily dark, especially as a father. I mean, I have kids. It's a really, really difficult work. A lot of dudes just like, yo, let's go.

Let's just go fuck everybody up. You don't understand, like, that's not what you're doing. You have to become darkness. You have to become a shitty human being to get yourself infiltrated into a space where you can find these kids. Right. And it's a struggle because I look at it

and I can't save everybody. I can't save the world and all the thing. But to me, it's like, if I can be part of something like that and help one human being find light, they'd ultimately 20 years from now, that one person coming out of being kidnapped and sex trafficked, their posterity then goes on to change the world kind of a thing like knowing that I had some sort of impact and that is huge to me. But it's very, very real.

I can tell you that the money that OUR uses for these operations is used very, very appropriately. They're doing operations literally all over the world, all over the world, like numerous, numerous, numerous countries, and it's happening everywhere. So, how can people donate? You just go to OUR.com, I believe, and they have their donate information. I mean, I don't have a link or code or anything like that,

but it's something that I'm really passionate about as a father, I was introduced to it. I met some people that had been pulled out of sex trafficking through Tim Ballard and attended a dinner one night and instantly knew that I had to be involved. And so I kind of put my name on the list, like, hey, if you ever need me, and a couple of years ago, I got a call at five in the afternoon,

they said, we need you on a midnight flight. Can you do it? Let's go questions about it. And I'll never forget that moment where I sat down with my kids and I said, hey, this is go questions about it. And I'll never forget that moment where I sat down with my kids and I said, hey, this is what we're doing. This is what's going on. Cause you got the bad ass, like, let's go do this.

And then also they call and they're like, hey, you're going to a third world country. You're not going to be armed. And this is a very, very dangerous deal. You're buying children from, you know, the cartels and shit like that. And I'll never forget as long as I live, my daughter, saying, dad, go, they need you more than we do. And change that shows. Oh my God. That was weird. It changed me,

man. That moment changed me. And so for me, now it's like knowing that I can help people, you know, every day as a mountain getting dinner and help a single mom and, you know, wait just here or a server there or whatever, whatever. But knowing that you can go literally save a human being, like literally save a human being from that type of terrible, terrible darkness is something that's, I'm really, really, really passionate about. Wow. That's awesome. That's real work, right, Dealer?

Alright, guys. I'm going to ask one more thing just to end on a good note. Going into 2023, we're living in a world of casts. Yeah. The media is trying to portray a lot of things about the recession, but then we're in Vegas last week and every nightclub sold out, every restaurant sold out, everything's booked, so we're not in the same recession that they're trying to portray.

There are bad things happening in our economy, but the world's not falling down. What would you say to the people to stay calm in the chaos as we go into 2023 and 2024? Turn inward, like turn inward, look at your family. Really get your house from older men. Like your family needs, especially for the men out there, your family needs leadership.

They need you to understand that we can create calm in the storm, we need to be the calm in the storm. My home, my family needs to be calm in the storm, and that starts with me. And so me having my house in order is imperative. It's literally the most important thing to me in my life because I have the kids and I have a wife and I have a tribe of people

But I tell people all the time and there's so much fucking good in the world Like we're bombarded with a lot of bad But you just open up you walk down the street. There's goodness. There's good people all over the place And so when you get your home in order and you get your your family really well taken care of and Thinking positively looking at positive creating value in marketplace, like adding value to the world, not being peddling all the smut on social media and consuming negative 24-7, but literally being able to turn inward and have your home become a sanctuary, become a beacon of light. Really have you, who you are, and your home become a beacon of positivity and light.

We do it. We do that enough times, and there's a lot more freaking light than there is darkness. All right, guys, you're listening to The Real Tars in. positivity and light, we do it. You do that enough times, and there's a lot more freaking light than there is darkness. All right, guys, you're listening to the real Tarzan, Sean Whaley, and make sure to follow him on all social media platforms. And we have one favorite request at the end of the money Monday's episodes.

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So please share the podcast, like comment, review, etc. make sure to follow the Tarsanne and Sean Whalen. And we'll see you guys next week. Peace. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Money Mondays. We're here with you every Monday, sometimes on Fridays. So talk to you about how to make money, how to invest money, and how to give some way to a charity. We are here with the co-host, the Real Tarzan.

And we have a very special guest for today. He is one of the few humans in the world that fought a guy with the name Money is his middle name. Floyd, Floyd, money, may weather. So this gentleman is a active investor athlete. He likes to be a part of business conferences. And that's why I love because there's a lot of athletes that we've heard that statistic that 85% of them go broke

after leaving the NFL NBA within five years of leaving the league. This guy is immersed himself in the business world and that's what I wish I saw more athletes do and hopefully he will inspire more athletes to do that after this episode. Please welcome Mr. Andre Berto. You're what was happening. So if you could, if you could, Andre, give us the two minute bio. Give us the quick stories we can use to the money. I'm being people up for a while.

That's it. I don't know. Probably 15-time national, you know, amateur national champion, 2004, LNPN, three-time boxing world champion. Of course, for me, whether I made millions that I was doing what I do and yeah, we steady at it. And don't worry, don't I love it. Sir. So why do you think so many athletes go broke after leaving the league? Of course, I believe the main thing is, you know, you know, of course, it's me just being on that side as well, just knowing that a lot of us come

from, you know, a certain type of environments, you know, most of these guys, they come from the inner city. So our, you know, view of success, you know, are a lot of things. So, of course, material things. Once we get those contracts, once we get a little bit of that money, that's the first thing that we want to do to not even reward ourselves, but be able to show everybody what we come from that we made it. And it's very hard once you get to a certain point and you live at a certain status and your overhead is ridiculous.

Once things are lining down, what you always, it always does, it's always going to, I know you guys don't want to think that it is, but it's always going to be a downhill moment. And most of the guys are tired with that same overhead, but not that same income period. And that's how it happens. On regular basis and a lot of them, they're afraid to really scale down

because of the perception of, of, you know, family, friends or just people, you know, like fans, whatever the case may be, but you need to, need the artist or the wonder, you know, man, like when it's time to scale it down, when it's time to, like I said, hang up the clicks, hang up the ball, hang up the gloves, you really got to really put yourself in a completely different type of situation. Yeah, because if you do go broke, those people are not gonna be there. Of course they're not.

Of course they're not. So they're gonna talk about you anyway. So as long as you really try to hold on to it without really having some type of structure in place, or a different type of avenue of getting that cash flow. You're gonna lose every time, every time. So, I've seen so many athletes and entertainers, celebrities, influencers, etc.

entrepreneurs that the lack of information is why they just don't know what but their credit score. They don't know that they could get an apartment alone. Sure. They don't know about SBA loans. They don't know that they could get an apartment alone. They don't know about SBA loans. They don't understand investing, et cetera. And there's surroundings. There's circle.

You know, there are friends that they grew up with in high school and college. Now they see you made it. And they need 10 grand a month to carry the bag around. They need 8,000 a month, and they need to borrow 20,000 to travel with you and live in your extra bedroom and eat your cereal. And so we've watched so many of these guys and it frustrates me and that's actually the driving force of the concept of this podcast is I don't want that anymore.

Yeah, but I think it continues to go back to like the environments that we came from. That's just automatic. Like when I turn pro, when I first turn pro, I was the same way okay cool you feel like you have the responsibility is on you to take your homeboys with you first right you know I mean these are the things that we you know always talked about growing up with these same guys you know one day I'm gonna make it one day I'm gonna make it you all imagine you really think this your responsibility to show and to bring those guys which you know they're not doing nothing a lot of mark You know what I mean but like I said you know sooner or later all that stuff is just going away and like I was in the same position at the beginning and it was kind of ridiculous Like I took everybody with me I had I mean it was a never one room for me it was 20 rooms right you Right. You know, I mean, and you know, always got to be,

or nobody ever reaching the pocket ever. You know, I mean, so sorely, but surely, you know, I started just to ease away from it, because a lot of their issues started to hinder me. I mean, I had people that were, that were asking me, I can say for money for abortion. They asked me for money for, you know, like for clothes, your homes, just a lot of shit that just wasn't, you know, like for close your homes. Just just a lot of shit that just

was it, you know, have anything to do with me. Right. You know what I'm saying? But they felt like I had a responsibility to take care of it. So I'm like, okay, I see what's going on. And as soon as you try to go away from the scale away from it, they look at you like you've changed. But you know, you're supposed to change, you're supposed to to grow but the same time is really them that changes at the same time So I think a lot of people they really get it your last sooner than others And some guys they get it too late, you know, now all the money is going on the friends are going and and Not only that you like you look crazy You lost all this money, right?

You lost all this money. What did you do? I got it. It's crazy. Why do you immerse yourself with so many business people, business conferences? I always see you with ballers, entrepreneurs, billionaires, yachts, et cetera. You're always immersed with it.

I love it. We can explain it. I mean, I think, I think, you know, just like you said, I think a lot of people, they fall victim, you know, to a lot of knowledge that they don't know. And you're just like you said, when it comes to a lot of athletes, a lot of athletes, we get into this world of, of course, we're so focused on our sport.

And we've always been told to don't focus on anything else. Just focus on boxing, just focus on football. You've got your business manager, whatever the case may be. He's going to handle everything else. But I've been in a position to see so many terrible stories happen. And I've always just wanted to be a lot different in that space. And I've always had a knack for business. Even in my boxing career.

So now it's like, there know, I mean, just more than ever. I just want to just immerse myself in it just to be able to get as much information as possible. You know, so I can just, of course, just, you know, just put a lot of things and play myself. I think it's, I mean, I think it's critical at this point. It's critical at this point. I think athletes in general, when they have so much of money, it's crazy. I had a conversation, you know, with a friend of mine the other day. And of course, there are always conversations of race, like I say, to a sense when it comes to money or wealth.

And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, man, there's many athletes that have gotten a million of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars football players, you know, NBA guys, boxes, whatever the case may be, if they had the right information, or if they just had the right mind set instruction to really do the right shit with this money. Right, we'd have more Shaquille on yours. We'd have more battery Johnson. It'll be ridiculous.

It'll be ridiculous. But you have to be able to want and seek that information as well. You know what I mean? A lot of us, we can't force this stuff on a lot of these guys. So I think, like in my position now, of course, it's me just being in that position, being an athlete, and of course, I fucking know everybody, you know, to a sense.

I think it's my job now to really, you know, give that, like I said, I give that new path and let them see this, you know, let them see that it's cool to do other, you know, I mean, dope things in business outside of our sport. And, you know, just hopefully so and it continues that transition. So during fight nights,

I'm fried inside of the nights on your Instagram stories. It's one of the most entertaining things for me, every single month, I get to watch you while out and just yell about what people should have done, what had done, it could have done, et cetera. Love it. Would you ever become an official commentator for boxing? Man, you know what?

You know, I've been asked plenty of times. Of course, I've had these common states with showtime and a lot of the big organizations. Organizations. I'm networks. But I don't know. I mean, I think I've always been just always outside of the box. I've always done a lot of different things, especially you know within our sport. A lot of these fighters don't do.

And I just think that it's just too cliche, I think, to a sense to a fighter to, you know, say like possibly retiring, just go commentate. You know, but maybe, maybe I can say we'll see. Um, I think I'm trying to create my own lane in a lot of different areas. Just to show, yeah, I can say that other fighters that it's possible to do a lot of other things like, say business or, or just like another, yeah, I mean, I have no entertainment. Um, but like I say, we'll say, I don't know. When, when you see some of the social media stars that have entered into the boxing world, there's been a lot of influencers that have jumped in.

Only a couple have been big names like Logan and Jake fighting household names and fighting big names. What are your thoughts about social media influencers that are trying to jump into the boxing world? I mean, of course, I mean, this game is nothing to play with, so they're going to figure it out real quick. Like the guys that aren't trying to take the sports serious. But, you know, but then again, you know, for me, I think I try to look at the good in it,

you know, to a sense, because of course the box community and a lot of young fighters that I know they hated. You know, I mean, they hated these guys that coming in just because they got these followers and you know, you see Jake, so show time. You know, a lot of these, Itime and a lot of these other young kids have been fighting for a long time don't get that opportunity.

But for me, that shows me and it tells me like, okay, you guys need to get a lot more serious on that social media. For sure. I mean, so just imagine if you had an amazing fighter already, but then again, you put you know some great effort into You know, I say that content. Yeah, Ryan Garcia's content is amazing. I see. Yeah, looks how big his following is so good It's ridiculous in a lot of types of Period, this guy's of great content. I'm saying and they hate all right just because of that man He's not a good up a fighter, but just because he's a youtuber

But I should tell you something. Let's get heavy on this content. If you're that good, just imagine You know, you put this in here, put this work behind your content You know, be fucking near me. You'll be mega stars as well They would get on showtime if they can help sell more tickets. Exactly. Is that exactly not? I was just skill This is not I would just go you could be 15 and oh, but that kids four know But he's got two million followers. Of course. He's gonna sell tickets I started to see it now like I've I believe about a music business. Of course, you know kind of started to take the same route I mean of course you see a lot of talented young me and I'm music artists, but these kids

They have these I need to download and Spotify like you're Are you good? He get a young kid out of Alabama that's going crazy on TikTok for you know with a song he got to deal for sure for sure like that you know me 90 million views like like it just the Bieber that's how I started it I mean of course and like he's like a lot of these labels and like shit we don't want to invest all their money like Red the size of somebody already has a problem right I'm a question time so I heard that boxers are like

Compared to a race horse, you know race horses. He's installed. He's like, bro. I got a I got a run I gotta go, you know, you got that constant drive When you finish boxing, how how has that you know transferred into your life? You know it's a good question, man. I think a lot of people that follow me on social, they, I didn't get amazed that I continue just to go as hard as I am, just me just get ready for a fight.

Because I think, say just me just boxing, it just really just, you know, it correlates just like so much the life to me. And I believe that boxing has just prepared me for everything. Just, just like in my life period, when it comes to business, I'm looking at it like a fight. And when it comes to, you know, just whatever opportunity that I have, I feel like I have to get ready in some type of way, not just mentally but physically. So I'm in the gym, like I'm getting ready for a fight,

but it's really just a big, you know, I gotta get ready for like a podcast or a business meet, you know, I gotta try to secure some else, but just a mentality to try to dominate is always there. You know, for me, it is, you know what I mean? But like I said I mean of course you know a lot of other fighters once they're done they're done right and those are the worst type of guys they're trying to see because it's like you said like we're like these these amazing horses

but once you slow it down and once you want to sit around and eat you know I mean eat bullshit and not really take care of your body like that anymore. I mean, your body kinks up. You know, you start having injuries. You start looking crazy quickly, quickly. So, you know, at the end of the day, Mal just always just like to keep that mentality with me

each and every day. Well, what do you think is the difference between a amateur boxer, a good boxer, a great boxer, and those that go down in history books. Oh, man. Of course, the amateur boxer, I mean, he says, Lunder ropes. Is it a mindset?

Is there a training? Is there a work ethic? Yeah, I mean, amateur boxer. I mean, it just depends. I mean, you can be, I mean, you have to be like 17, 18 years old to turn pro, I believe. So, so you can, you have to be amateur first. You have to have those fights. But once you get to that point, you know, 18, if you want to turn pro, you go to the Olympics, you want to turn pro. I say the mindset has to change. You know, like I said, the amateur, I was a dog as amateur, but once you turn pro, you know, it's a different beast. It's different beast. No head gear

You know smaller gloves and you're fighting and all that grown man and funny. That's trying to take you out So now this is a money game now the amateurs of course we did this shit for fun I had 300 amateurs fights for free 300 amateurs fight with your fight 300 amateurs fights fall all over the world. It's fun. You know what I mean? For example, once you turn pro business business, that's it.

Yeah, it's for the check. So you know, you get a different type of guy in front of you. You have to have that different type of mindset. And I'll now you fight in the front of hundreds of thousands of people in that ring. Like I said, with smaller gloves, no head gear with the guy. That's across the ring. That's literally been training for this moment. Eight to nine weeks to try to kill you in front of everybody.

So you got nowhere to run. You know what I mean? So you have to have a different type of mentality for that. A lot of times people strive for greatness greatness and whether they're in a team sport it's a bit different but when boxing is a solo sport yeah I love it when you go into that ring I asked this question to Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Roya everybody the whole co-cog and I asked them all the same question when I say the word fear how does that play into when you walk into that boxy ring?

I think it's different for a lot of people. You know, I've seen fighters that will be at a press conference and just talk the fight up and they will talk crazy to their opponent. Just look like they're so confident. But once they walk into the arena, and I see them in the back of the dressing room, and they hear, they hear the crowd, they saw that waiting form, and they see other fighters that have probably fought before them come through.

Just all bloody up and looking crazy, and just them knowing that they have to go out there. Now all the talk that they've been talking now you gotta back it up and it's just not going to be you and him as you and him and hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people watching this. I've seen guys pack it up. I can't deal with this. Let's just go and just not fight and pack their fucking bags up on Lee Because you know, I mean it's a it's a it's a it's a different type of feeling You know just like being in the back of the dress room You know fighting fear

But at the same time just having the confidence in your preparation and then knowing that you're about to walk out there and You know what then try to perform on the child in the there and try to perform, go out there and try to dominate. Somebody that was trained to kill you pretty much, but to know in your mind and be confident enough to know that you're going to dominate them in front of millions of people, it's a different type of feeling. To be able to walk out there in front of 20,000 people and not let the atmosphere of it all crush you before you get in the ring, which I see that constantly, you know, to be able to walk into the ring and seeing all those people, seeing the lights and seeing cameras in your face. And then looking across the ring, seeing the guy jumping around ready to kill you. You got to be almost kind of crazy to,

you got to be almost kind of crazy to be able to go through all of that emotion and just have the confidence and really feel like this is my show. And I'm going to, I'm going to show them who I am. You know what I mean? So, so it's a different type of situation. To question, to build that confidence, I'm a big fan of fighting in boxing,

and MMA, everything. And I see what like young boxers, not saying they fight tomato cans, is that the way they get their confidence built up? Yeah, I think a lot of people to that for myself as well would, yeah. I want to know. Yeah, I mean, you know, you get a lot of young guys

at Turn Pro, and you know, they get a lot of young guys that turn pro. And you know, they're new to the program. And of course, their promoters want to feed them a couple of guys to make sure that they, yeah, I mean, make sure they feel good in this pro atmosphere. And they really try to build their confidence as well. And really, you know, sit there and watch. It's almost just kind of like a watching game as well.

OK, we'll see what he does. See how he performs. And they really try to watch and see how they try to kind of move into that pro style and see how entertaining that they are for the fans and see what type of style you that they have to listen to. See, he's going to be ready for the big race. Somebody that they're going to be, to a cent C.V. is going to be ready for the big race. And you know, somebody they're going to be able to, you know, invest some real money into.

Yeah, man, but some guys don't man. Some guys are super star amateurs and they can turn pro and they flop all the time. Yeah. So it's a Sunday morning. Sunday. It's 8 a.m. Yes, sir. You just had some food? You just don't feel like it. What do you do to get the mindset to go to the gym, work out, get past the, I just don't feel like it. Shit, man. This game ain't got time for no, I don't feel like it. In this game, you do not have time, but I don't feel like it, man, because you know, you're pulling it over there, I feel like it. Yeah, they do. You know, he feels like it. feel like it, man, because you know you're pondering over there, I feel like it. You know he feels like it. You know that, you know, you got a family to feed, you know that, you know,

in pretty much everything your reputation depends on this. I mean, me myself, this is something that I've always, you don't look forward to at all. As a young kid, I was focused on this. Yeah, that's you. I mean, as a young kid, I used to watch Sugar and Leonard, Mike Tyson's. I used to watch HBO and then. And he just drove me to a completely different place. I needed to be there.

You know, I mean, my parents are immigrants from Haiti. And of course, the way that we grew up, I know it. I got to know what was up to me to really how to change our circumstance. And I knew I had everything it took. It was anything that could tell me different. You know what I mean? Every time I stepped into a ring with another man,

I really wanted to beat the will out of him, just to let him know that it's no way you compare. You know what I mean? I was just my mentality coming up in the game because it wasn't just for me. It was for you know completely. It was for my family is for like a whole nation. You know, I was fighting for as well. So my travels, you know, it was a little different. When someone is going through boxing, you mentioned earlier you fought 300 times for free. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Rehondo for free. Yes sir. Yes sir. So when a boxer when a boxer thinks they get a boxer things. Oh, I'm gonna Go be a boxer or UFC fighter or whatever. I'm gonna go make a bunch of money. I'm gonna go make millions dollars. I don't get. It's so good. It's so good man. It just gave me an inflate with man. Like I say, that's like I mean, I guys like myself that have reached the, like I say, the pinnacle under, I mean, like an amateur game and then program, I'm not paying my dues. I mean, I had over 300 amateur fights. You know, I've won, I don't know, 20 national championships, you know, to two thousand four Olympic games, like I paid my dues. So one of the time, the term pro, I mean, I mean, I believe that I deserved everything that was in front of me. Yeah, I mean, I even more. And so, you know, that's what I demanded.

Of course, every time I got on a microphone, every time I'm talking about my promoters, I need it all. You know what I mean? And just every time it was time to show up, I showed up. Yeah, I put on a hell of performance knockdown, whoever that was in front of me. And, you know, I kept them moving man. I had what shit It's been almost then I think I was probably 19 years now, you know, of course just cruising and shit is doing my thing You know and still looking good ready get it ready So on the charity side we like to talk about investing

money, making money, and that's time for the charity side. How do you decide, outside of what you cut a check for, how do you decide what to put your personal brand behind? If you say you like a charity, then other people would, and donate or be a part of it, how do you decide what to get behind? I mean, me, myself, I really try to go through my personal experiences, man.

Like me, I've always been having to the boys and girls clubs. I pretty much grew up there. My parents, of course, I quote, like I said, where H&M grants a day worked constantly. They were at work constantly. So we spent, in most of our time, I had the boys and girls' clubs.

Went to school when the boys and girls' clubs after go home about, you know what I mean, we walked home about seven o'clock. That's when we seen our parents. So I believe I went there from six years old to probably 14, like 13, 14 years old. So I give a lot to say my local boys and girls club. They've known me for years, just give me back there.

And also, of course, I hate it as well. Yeah, I'm out of hate it. Regular bases, I have, I don't know, five or six. I was, I was school and I have an orphanage there. And of course, after the big hurricane, I mean, like the big, what's my earthquake there? You know, I canceled my fight with shame,

mostly in fluke shred, 80. Me and I had a big group with me. And like I say, I mean, that's what I love to do. I love to get back to my people. I mean, I love to, you know, give back to Haiti, love to get back to the boys. Because people that I can really, you know, connect to. So that's pretty much where all my charity, you know, I mean, efforts to go to. Why do you think it's important for more athletes to do more charity or line themselves

with HRD? You have to, man, I believe. You know, I took all the time, the time, all the success that I've had all the money that I got a chance to make. I never believe that it's all for me. You know what I mean? I just don't believe it. Of course, I have a lot of people just in my life

that's helping me get to that point. A lot of situations, like I say, if it's a boys club, if it's like my Hait, if it's, you know, if it's like my Asian people, my parents, I say this stuff, I don't believe everything is for me. So I believe that you always have to try to connect yourself to something greater always. Always have to connect yourself to something greater. It's the only way that you can really stay aligned out here in this world, man. It's too much of the bullshit going on. It's so much of the craziness going on right here. So I think it's a extremely important.

Why do you think it's important for middle school, high school kids to actually choose or get aligned with a sport? I mean, I think it's a must. I think it's something that is just going to benefit them. Just later on, just a life period. If it's boxing, karate just going to benefit them. Later on, it's a life period. If it's boxing, karate, whatever the case may be,

you need to be able to try to get involved in something that's going to structure your discipline in the sense. I think you move different. I think you think different as a man, or a woman wants you you align yourself for the sport You know me when you really try to put just everything into it. I believe That consistency that discipline everything plays apart especially later on in life Tarsam, would you ever get in the ring?

Tarzan up in there. Absolutely already know. He's right, but I'm Capable of being a professional boxer. Fuck no. I believe probably can you get a I was hard one maybe. And I may, you know, but I have such a such a real respect for, you know, boxers and professional fighters,

because especially in this, I have a lot of friends that I'm really close to it. But also my family's big in the box and my great grandpa was golden clothes back in the day. Nice. And it's a typical story, you know, but I know and I see all the hard work that boxers and professional fighters put in. And you know, the whole influencer thing like I'm great friends with Jake and Logan. Yeah, you know, but I saw a lot of guys disrespecting these boxers and these, you know, these car fighters and like, man, these guys like, they live eating, breathe the stuff.

They're actually like, they're actually will kill you with their bare hands. You know, they will beat you to a pulp. You know, and they're nothing to play with. They're nice and they're sweet, you know, they do their stuff, but if you like, it's someone locks you in a cage or a ring with them, you don't stand a chance, bro. Don't stand a chance.

How I know that, one of my buddies, you know, he's like he was hurt is you know I'm talking around with me hitting me. He's like bro punch me. I'm like bro. I'm not punching you Punch my punching you. He's got he's punching me. He's punching me. He's punching me. He's punching me soft And he rocks me bang I'm like all right punching right in a forehead. How is that good? He's eating I'm like bro, that's my best shot. Bro, I'm gonna see.

I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see.

I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see.

I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna of them make me a little... I'll go in the ring, Octagon. All the boxes, like, you gotta be ready man. Well, bro, that's a different thing. Oh, you guys, you ready man? It's a different thing. Like he said, that man across the cage, he's coming. Coming and take you out. Rick's out.

God, this he's coming, what you gonna do? I only got a couple options. What you gonna do then? And I gotta say that. And that's what I love it, baby. And like I said, you know, you find out the truth about yourself in the ring. You know what I mean?

It's a matter, you know, the type of shit you talk. It doesn't matter, anybody else says that person says, you're gonna find out the truth about who you really are. I've had fights where When I'm fighting the guy and I'm hitting them with everything and he's coming right back. Oh, boom boom boom boom These hitting me with some shit And I'm really talking to myself when I go back to the corner. Okay, okay, okay Okay, okay, I need to calm down. I need breathe calm down. Breathe. I need to breathe. He comes out.

I need to go left. I need to do this. I need to do that. I need to keep my hand up. I need to really start talking to you. Either you're going to fold in that moment or you're going to try to figure it out. And it gets to a point sometimes.

Like I've been in positions where my body just goes numb to a sense. All the shots, all the punching. And you really just want to just show that person hey I'm here and I'm not going nowhere. It's a mental warfare. Of course it's physical but it's a mental warfare when you're in there. Especially you fight a guy that's really coming to get it. You got to show that person that you're not going anywhere. You know me and that's where the real fight begins. All right, now who's going to break? Who's going to break?

It's crazy, man. But you got to love it, man. It's poetry. It's poetry is brutal, but it's poetry in that. You've been spending a lot of time at Boxer Gym in Miami, B-O-X-R in the places gorgeous, places humongous. How do you choose what type of gym to align yourself with? Because obviously, you're going to bring a lot of people to it. For sure. And that's what's been happening to me. And Matt need to talk about our business, my tail. We need to see what's going on.

But yeah, man, I moved down here. And you know some guys told me in Lincoln, boom, my tail. And the gym was about to open. And of course, of course, he was excited just to have me come through and walk through. And my art is cool, shit I'm here. So I went there the first day that I'd even open. And of course, like I said, he's done a great job.

Just outfitting the place and when I got finished, I just really just, I just really turned it up in there. And everybody on Instagram and everybody on my Instagram stories They're like all the celebrity off man. What I'm in Miami. I'm coming see you know, where's that place? Why is that place so so you know, I've done my I done my piece of bringing a lot of big guys in there But I say like Matt Mateo man, they've been killing the two so so you know, we I don't know We need to allow some business from you know, maybe some right now

I just been doing it off the love, man, I love those guys, many of me killing it. So it's been good, man. The gym is, I mean, it's amazing. So someone out there, last question, they're young, they're trying to decide their sport and like, you know what? I want to go into boxing. I'm 13 years old, I'm ready to do it, dad or older brother, like I'm ready to go in the ring. What are some things you can tell that young boxer before they go into boxing. I'm 13 years old. I'm ready to do it, dad or older brother. I'm ready to go into the ring. What are some things you can tell that young boxer before they go into the put down the spot? You ready? You ready?

It won't be easy. Just stay focused, man. If you're going to do the sport, you got to go all the way into it. You can't have fast this one. Are you going to get hurt? It makes smart decisions. Make sure to have a great team. Make sure to try to align and do your due diligence and just link up with the right people. Because I see a lot of talented fighters, you know, they link up with the wrong team and you don't really, I mean, and they're off.

You know what I mean? So just try to make sure you're trying to, you know, find a great team, put that work in and, you know, just get ready for that roller coaster ride. It's coming. But most importantly, since we're on money, Mondays, make sure to make sure your money's right. You can have all the business managers you want, but make sure you're taking that knowledge, you know what you're doing as well. That's critical. A lot of athletes, many really just hand their shit over.

And it's crazy to a point that Where are their wrist and our lives on the regular basis in the box wearing football? You know basketball we really just put it in other people's hands all the money that we've made millions Don't ask any questions. Don't want to do any type of research. Yeah, he's gonna. Yeah, he's gonna Listen man. Listen, do your homework, study up on it, and nobody's gonna take care of your money. That's named better than you can. And, you know, don't fuck it up. Ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to Andre Bertot. Make sure to follow him on social

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