The Money Mondays - He Taught Kobe Bryant AND Michael Jordan How To WIN - Tim Grover | E13

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

Tim Grover is a renowned sports performance coach and author, widely recognized for his work with some of the greatest athletes in history. With over three decades of experience, Grover has trained NBA legends such as Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Dwyane Wade, as well as NFL stars like Warren Sapp and Charles Woodson. Throughout his career, Grover has become famous for his intense, no-nonsense approach to training, and his ability to push athletes beyond their limits to achieve greatness. He is known for his focus on mental toughness and his ability to help athletes unlock their full potential, both physically and mentally. In addition to his work with individual athletes, Grover has also served as a consultant for numerous professional sports teams, helping them to develop their training programs and optimize their players' performance. He has also authored several books, including the New York Times bestsellers "Relentless" and "Jump Attack," which provide insights into his training methods and philosophies. Overall, Tim Grover is a true master in the world of sports performance, and his impact on the athletes he works with is undeniable. Through his relentless pursuit of excellence, he has helped to shape some of the most iconic athletes in history and has inspired countless others to strive for greatness. --- The Money Mondays is a business podcast here to teach you how to make money, invest money, and donate money by showcasing some of the world's most successful people and how they do the same. Hosted by serial entrepreneur Dan Fleyshman, the youngest founder of a publicly traded company in history, this money podcast gives you an exclusive behind the scenes look at how the wealthiest celebrities, entrepreneurs, athletes and influencers make, invest and donate money. If you want to learn more business and investing while you work to improve your financial life, you're in the right place! Subscribe for new weekly episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@themoneymond... Dan Fleyshman, The Money Mondays

What is it that makes the guys like Kobe Jordan, etc. stay that extra mile? Very easy to answer that. I've never shared this with anybody. It's been the first time. Trauma. Trauma. Trauma of the loss. Trauma of failure. Everyone's had that moment in their life. They've had that dramatic moment. All right, whether it's mentally or physically, they've had that they've had that dark moment. They've had, they've had that at some stages in their life that allow them to become that person. What's the most important thing? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Money Mondays,

where we talk about three main topics, how to make money, how to invest money, and how to give it away to charity. Today's guest is one of the few humans on the planet that I look up to in so many different aspects of life. He's a speaker, a mentor, coach. He doesn't like to say motivational speaker, but he definitely motivates a lot of people even if he doesn't want to accept it or not.

This guy has coached the most elite athletes in history as long as some of the most elite business people in history. My favorite athlete of all time is Michael Jordan. People like to say is Michael Jordan LeBron, who's better, I can answer for you, it's Michael Jordan. That's, there's no debate between it. The things that Michael Jordan did before there was computer technology, analytics,

and 15 different doctors, like Michael Jordan, did with blood sweat and tears, and with coaching from this gentleman, Mr. Tim Grover. Woo! Yeah! The crown goes wild. Hey, go great, thank you, Dan, thank you this gentleman, Mr. Tim Grover The crown goes wild Go great. Thank you. Thank you so much, man. What an honor to be here, man Big fan of podcast and watching and I was like one of these ever gonna reach out to me I don't want any of these ever going to be me. Maybe I don't quite make the criteria

But hey listen, we all got lofty goals. I was gonna we're gonna figure it out And I got the invite today. Yeah, here we are in real life. So Tim has also wrote a book called Winning. He's wrote a book called Relentless. If you listen to one thing today, go buy those books, please. Because there's very few books that I recommend.

And I've said this without him in the room, I've said this over and over and over. These are the type of books that you need to read for your life. And then you should reread them again every one to three years because you need them in your brain. Okay, Tim Grover, give us the quick two to three minute bio so we can get straight to the money. You know, funny, Dan, you always ask about the bio,

so for the, hey, talking about my, I hate talking about my self. I got more. And I just like, listen, I trained my, I was with Michael Jordan for 15 years. I got a master's degree in exercise science, bachelor's in kinesiology. I got every possible certification out there. I've been blessed enough to write two best selling books,

coached some of the highest end athletes and business people, people around people around. and athletes and business people around people around. It ever plays sports and it's just, you know, in my school hall of fame, it's just, you know, it's those are things, it's nice to have on your, and it's nice to have on your resume, but just like it's money, like money Mondays, you always want a little bit more,

so you can give back a little bit more. So on this episode, I wanna talk it's money, like money Mondays. You always want a little bit more so you can give back a little bit more. So on this episode, I wanna talk less about money even though we don't do this on the show. I wanna talk more about investing yourself and investing in your mind since you are the most elite coach in my mind. And I work with so many coaches, so many speakers, so many people out there.

And when they ask me, who do I think should speak an event? Or who do I think they should hire to coach them? I say you 100% the time. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. And so I want to talk to you. I want to talk more about investing in yourself and investing your mind. When you deal with someone that is the elite of the elites, you're talking about Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant.

These are guys are not just household names. They are the legends of the legends of an entire sport that's been around for a hundred years. When you're on the court with them or you're in the room with them or you're on the phone with them, when it comes to them, either pushing back or making excuses or saying they need more time or they have said, is there ever a wiggle room with them and what happens when you have such an elite client that you need to? Yeah, there's all, listen, there's all, there's always a little bit of wiggle room, but you got to understand what the circumstances are. It's the amount of wiggle you're going

to give that individual that wiggle has to have a timeframe. It has to have a limit. All right? And you have to, you have to first understand why they need the wiggle room. What caused them to get off that path for a little bit? And that has to be dealt with. So while they understand, they come to me and say, Hey, listen, this is what's going on. This is what's going on. And then it's my job to understand why this happened and how it's affecting them and how long it's going to affect them. When you see an athlete, even business people, when they're not producing at the highest level, your employees or whatever it is,

most of the time it really doesn't have anything to do with what's going on at work. Or what, what's, you know, baseball player just doesn't all of a sudden forget how to hit a baseball. It's, somebody gave them too much wiggle room and then put them back on the path. You know, I always say, when's the last time you let somebody off the hook? I won say, one's the last time you let somebody off the hook.

I won't let you off the hook because you let somebody off the hook. It's too easy. So there's always got to be a little life requires you to wiggle a little bit, but know why you have to wiggle and for how long and knowing when to put that person back on that on that path. I've had staff, friends, associates, followers, et cetera, that they think it's mean or if I try to recommend them or if it's mean, if I try to be blunt with them, I think it's mean if I don't.

I think if I allow you to be weak or I allow you to do something wrong or I allow you to show up at 9.30 when you said you were going to be there at 9 o'clock, I think it's weak of me. And I think it's weak for me to allow them to do it. And I don't think that I'm helping them. Like when I throw my vents, if I say someone's gonna be on stage at 9.10, I promise you, deep in my soul, they're gonna be

on stage at 9.10. And if I say they're done at 9.40, I don't care how household name they are at 9.39, they're gonna see me like, it's time to go. Because it doesn't respect the other people, and I want there to be perfection up on that stage, because it impacts everyone in that room. When you deal with these guys and they get past the wiggle room, they get onto the court,

they have a great night, but then in that last moment, they missed that shot. Michael Jordan has one of the best commercials of all time talking about the shots that he missed. Right. Championship said he lost. In that moment, when he misses that shot and he gets the phone call from you or you get the phone call from him, what is that first discussion like on the big nights when they miss their shot?

It's never a discussion about the shot. If I have to discuss, if I have to discuss the shot, that means they're still thinking about it. The greatest athletes, the greatest business people, the greatest individuals out there, the ones that succeed, not only from a financial standpoint, business, whatever it may be, they have the shortest memories. They forget things, I mean, just like that. Because if you're thinking about those things, you're not in the next, you're taking something into the next, into the next moment.

So I tell them, don't think about it, but they don't forget. Like you said, with that commercial with Michael, he remembered all the, he remembered every single shot that he missed, every shot that he made, game winner and so forth. But he doesn't think about those things. He does not think about them. It takes years and years of thinking not to be able to think. Everybody here, this with athletes all the time, that person is thinking too much. You're over thinking that decision, business decision that you have to make It takes years and years of thinking for them not to be able to think so when I when you first start off and you missed those shots

Yeah, you start to think about it But now it starts affecting the next one and the next one and the next one and that that's that extra baggage You end up carrying in your mind that starts affecting your starts affecting your performance I don't want you to forget about it, but you can't think about it. We don't talk about what's next. That's over with. We see it happen the most in the UFC. You see someone that has an undefeated record for seven years and then someone snaps their leg or someone accidentally knocks them out or someone catches them and puts them to sleep. And then they lose two, three, four matches.

And we see it most of them there because I think that they have this trigger memory now that they're worried about their leg getting snapped. I think Connor's gonna lose to Michael Chandler, simply because of the last fight. When he's like that snapped, I think he's scarred forever. And I think he's gonna be worried about his leg at all times, especially when Michael Chandler's chasing you down

like a crazy bulldog. And so I think in the fighting game, it's one of those games that they lose their next fight because they have that PTSD from something bad happening. That's why I said they're thinking they're thinking about it. They are thinking about it. I would just say, you know, if if you were thinking about something, you're not in the moment, right? When you're with your, you know, tarzans out here with it with his, with his animals, yeah, you may have to learn the new things when you get the, the, the giraffes and the kangaroos or whatever else you guys are, whatever else are you growing in, growing in here. But with the animals that you've already had, you've had that routine over and over and

over and over and over and over again. So you don't have to think about what you have to do. You've already thought about and walked yourself through every possible scenario that could possibly happen through those things. And that didn't happen today. That happened. It started when you first said, this is my love. And then years and years and years of perfecting the craft over and over and over and over and over again. We are co-hosted here with the real Tarzan. This guy's got over 200 million views a month creating content about animal. When you have situations with a snake and you've been bitten by snake hundreds and hundreds of times and a snake bite you tonight or tomorrow. Do you think of that you made an error or a snake as a snake?

I've made an error. I wasn't fast enough but most of the time I'm getting bitten by non-bent and my snakes. So as a kid my first snakes were a vocal instructor. I was getting bitten over and over to I didn't want to snake anymore. Parents, like, oh no, you begged me for years to keep on the snake. You're going to get big, you're going to figure it out. So once I had a good interaction with the snake, I just duplicated that process again, the same way I held it, how I approached it, and it became like ballet until I had to break dance again. And when you break dance, it's like, you know,

a snake's coming at you and it's venomous. I just held a 15-foot-cover in Indonesia, middle of the street, no hospital, no antivenom anywhere to be found. I get bit, I'm dead. You know, you got 30 minutes, you know. But in that moment, you got to slow down, be calm and think, but I've had thousands

and thousands of interactions of experience how not to get, but even on that trip, I was there for 30 days, I came across that day, that snake on day 21. If I came across the snake on day one, I'd have been a whole lot more cautious, but I had time to acclimate, to relax, to settle in. There's no jet lag and I'm getting used to the weather watching other people hold these King Cobra. So it's the same thing with crocod people hold these ant, you know, these King Cobra. So it's the same thing with crocodiles or rhinos, you know, I've been facing face with

crocodiles. I've thought about it a million times that hung out with, you know, them a million times. So it's like, in that moment, you got to relax. You got to, you got to, you got to that ballet. It's not break dance time. It's a, it's a flow state. It's that, it's a flow state. So that, that, that's your basketball court, that's your, that's your football state. It's that it's that flow state. So that that's your basketball court

That's your that's your football field. That's that's your routine You know, I will say there's two routines that people do there's people that do and they both create comfort They both create comfort. There's a routine that's done out of boredom Well, you do the same thing over and over again, and they're the ones that when they have that routine out of boredom When they're handling that then the snake they're the ones that when they have that routine out of boredom, when they're handling that then the snake, they're going to get, they're going to get bit because that it's out of bored. And they just like, okay, I'm going to do this thing. And it creates comfort. Then there's a routine out of skill. And it's repetitive over and over again. It's doing that skill over and over and over again. And that's what you've done. That's

what the greats do. They do it over and over again. Now it builds a level of comfort Through the repetitiveness of the skill over and over and over again. It's like shooting that shot over and over again throwing throwing that throwing that pass You know knowing how to do that kick or the wing Well, you know the putting a person to sleep He just you get past that thinking stage and you just know because your foundation is so freaking strong. So Tom Brady's down by 10 points. He's on the five yard line and 70,000 people are screaming against him. Like a Jordan, there's two seconds left. Everyone knows the ball is going to go to him. And there's 15,000 people hoping that he misses the shot. Same thing for Kobe Bryant, A. Rod, Derek Teter, all the legends. In those moments of extreme chaos

and noise and distraction, everyone rooting against you, what would you say to those guys to stay calm and focused? Well, here's the thing. I hate this adage that's out there. I perform great under the lights, the bright lights. Those guys never even notice the lights. They don't even notice the lights. They don't know if the lights are blue, pink, if they're on, if they're bright, they don't. Because if you're paying attention to the lights, you're not, you're not in that moment. You're going to increase your percentage of, of having an error of missing that shot throwing, throwing that pass. You've heard so many times that I didn't even hear the crowd. I didn't know what they, what they know what they were saying,

what was going on. That's the flow state, that's being in the zone. They don't look at the lights, they don't hear everything. You know, what I always tell everyone out there is, don't listen to the shouts of others. Listen to the whisper of yourself. If others. Listen to the whisper of yourself. If you can listen to the whisper of yourself, you don't hear the crowd.

And if you notice quite under all those moments, you pay attention to the individuals that you just mentioned, they always whisper something. They always hear the lips move just a little bit. If you gotta just pay attention to that little detail, they're telling that's how they're quieting the noise. That's when you talked about the about the calmness. You know, your stage, your adversaries,

your 70,000 things is. hissing. Yeah. How long that thing is it's hissing. It's hissing. It's boring. But the difference is I think it actually kill you. All right. So if you go in there with a chaotic state and you're paying attention to all the people around you, the ones that are holding the cameras up, the ones that are cheering you on, they're calling Kray and what's going on here

and the traffic that's going by, we're gonna be sitting with Tarzan too at the next podcast. Okay. So we've heard the stories about Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, certain characters that they're the first ones in the gym and the last ones that leave. And if someone else in the gym, they'll literally wait, you know, keep out working them to be the last ones. What does it take for that mindset? What is the difference between them? These are elite

athletes that are in the same gym with them, right? These are elite athletes that are in the same Chicago Bulls, LA LA Lakers like the same team has a Scotty Pippin they have a Shakil on you. They have other household names What is it that makes the guys like Kobe Jordan etc. Stay that extra mile? Very easy to answer that I've never shared this with anybody. It's be the first time trauma Trauma trauma of the loss trauma of failure trauma, trauma of the loss, trauma of failure, trauma of not making, making the team. Every successful individual, and you know,

I'm gonna ask you guys to do this now, because this is your show. I want you to share those stories. Everyone's had that moment in their life. They've had that traumatic moment, all right? Whether it's mentally or physically, they've had that dark they've had that dark they've had that dark they've had that at Some stages in their life that allow them to become that person

You know, I always say this thing is like You know, I know you don't have kids. No, I have I have kids. So what we've done is Everyone's read a fairytale every father every parent out there's read a fairytale to their child. All right, what does every fairytale have? It has a tap ending, but right in the middle, it has a dark moment. Sure.

Dark storm, dark rain cloud, dark thing, dah dah dah. So you think about your life. You think about your life when you had that dark moment, when you had that traumatic experience, how you handle that is the way you're going to handle every situation. Did you run? Did you go back home? Did you freeze?

Or did you say, you know what, I'm going to figure this out. I'm going to figure, I'm going to figure this out. All right, you may have not been able to figure it out in the moment, but you're like, okay, so that officially become now you make that transition from you no longer motivated. You're no longer, it's no longer about needing motivation from other individuals. Now it becomes strictly about elevation. Now you control that flame. You control that switch that's inside of you.

And that's what makes those individuals. They're not staying there to, you know, to constantly think I need to outwork somebody. I need to, that's just who they are. That's who they became. That's who they became. That's who they that's who they became. You know, we talk about most people what they do is they put on a mask to become that individual to become that super, you know, to become that great CEO to become that great, the great great quarterback the elite of the elites

all right They don't have to put that mask on they put that mask on To calm themselves down to be that other individual away from away from from themselves So the mask does not cover who they are everyone knows that's that dude So what was your what's your what was your what is your what is your moment? Well, I was a kid. I lost my father at 14 and we used to always watch, you know, Animal Planet, Nat Geo, you know, you got my snakes. He had, you know, Camille and he was also he was actually the real Tarzan. So when my dad passed, he was also in the sports and basketball level Jordan.

He actually brought me to C. Coby and LeBron play, way back in the day. But once he passed away, it was like, it was an eye opening thing. I didn't know what to do. I know I couldn't fill his shoes for basketball or anything else. So I made a promise on myself to be Tarzan. And when I tell people at that age, 14, I'm myself to be Tarzan. And when I tell people at that age 14, I'm gonna be Tarzan and I'm like, bro, what are you talking about?

You wanna go live with apes and hang out with lions and tigers and elephants? And that trauma, I followed it all in and my release is going to these jungles where I'm fully vulnerable, where you ask someone today, what are you most comfortable with? And, you know, he gave you a couple answers, but I'm comfortable with death, you know. And in those moments of facing a crocodile or going to see a rhino face to face or being somewhere where there's cannibals or there's no cops or no lights, there's

no, there's no street lights, there's no electricity, There's no cell phone servers. I feel so comfortable so calm because I'm either gonna have a great time or I'm gonna die And I've had multiple times where I had a great time because hey if I die I get to go to heaven with my my loved ones If I make it I had a great time in this foreign country where you know I get the most viral videos. I have I feel so alive, you know and it the most viral videos I have I feel so alive you know and it keeps me going and I love it. Yeah so now folks what I want you to do is when you're when you're listening or watching this podcast during that moment I want you to zoom in on Tarzan's eyes when you're speaking here and you'll see how real it is.

All right, pay attention. When I tell you, if you can tell how much how advanced a person's trauma is and how they changed it, where they can utilize it to light their own fire, to control their own flame, just look at the person's eyes. That's special, Dan. So the reason I've never done drugs

and the reason that I work so hard is I had two football players that lived with me. One was Ricky Williams and when he lost his career over marijuana, it opened my eyes up from a business perspective of that was gonna be the best running back in history of the world. And it wasn't going to be close by the way. His records were insane. We went to the same high school together. His college records broke everything you could ever imagine. What he was doing in NFL, he was on pace to break everything a record and drugs changed that. My other roommate was in his name was Darryl Russell. He was the second highest paid player for the Oakland Raiders. He was only second-of-war in SAP in the whole league.

And we lived together for years. And one night, he's sitting past and just seat in a car and drives in the back of a bus in Santa Monica Boulevard. Gone. And so the driver was on drugs. And so both of those things inside of me, I think, about drugs, and I relate them to death and career loss. And both of those things inside of me, I think about drugs, and I relate them to

death and career loss. And both of those things scare me. And then multiple friends end up passing me from drugs, and then 10, 15, 20 friends passed away from drugs. Too many that actually don't even know the number. Some of them big names, some of them friends you'd never hear of before. So the drugs part of it, I'm around drugs, probably more than anybody in the planet because I travel so much, I'm at events, I'm at nightclubs, I'm at nightclubs, I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs.

I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs.

I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. I'm at nightclubs. right? People that were the only other person in the room next to me is now gone because of drugs. But also when people pass away so young or lose their career so young is why I work so hard every day. Why you also couldn't pay me one billion dollars to go sit on the beach forever.

Or five billion or ten billion or a hundred billion because the money doesn't matter to me. I don't buy stuff. The money parts that came from you. I do all the stuff for the game part of it. I am afraid of running out of time. Because don't know what I'm going to die. My life's always at risk because again, I'm also in nightclubs, private jets, interacting with people over the world, multi-zillion dollar deals, one wrong move, one wrong situation, the same way one wrong snake for him. That's it for me. And so my goal in life and the reason I'm so adamant about every single day, actually when people ask me the word, it's named after your book, when people ask me what is the

one thing that makes me stand out, I say relentless. Relentless. Because every morning, noon and night, no matter what, I'm going to work because I think I'm going to die soon. And so I don't ever talk about it, what the concept of it, I talk about the word relentless because of what it means to me, but it really stems from death. It stems from trauma. And so when you said these things, some of the greats, that's where it came from. I think to me, the reason that I don't think I know, I even just talk about it now, the reason that I work so hard and the reason I'm so

also pushy for everyone else to work hard is we're gonna die. And 50 years, 100 years, you don't know how long it's gonna be, that's really short when you really think about it. It's very, very short. So see, that's what I'm saying. Everybody thinks those, everything that happens dramatically to them is a bad thing and it can be.

But it's a learning thing and it's how you take that learning thing and what you decide to do with it, what you've seen, what you've witnessed, what you've felt. I've seen it numerous times in my family. I've seen it numerous times with my athletes. I always said, Michael wasn't the most athletically gifted athlete that I've ever worked with. I work with many others, but there were other things that they just, that other circumstances that had happened in their lives that they just couldn't deal with, that kept pulling them away from what you were talking about,

kept pulling them away from the hard work, from being the best they can ever be. So when you talk about death, they were already dead. They were out there breathing. They were still moving. Now here's a different different different characteristics. All right. There's the death of the people that are still that go through those trauma thing, that go through those trauma things and they feel those things. They remember those things. Those are the those are the athletes that athletes and business people that really don't succeed. Then what I have is you have what I call the walking dead. The walking dead are those individuals that you cannot destroy. Because there's a certain thing that's already happened to them.

They've witnessed something and there like that part of death for them is already done and over. They understand both you guys said something very, very interesting here. All right. Neither one both brought up death. You're like, I'm not afraid to, I'm not afraid to die. And you're like, I expect to die. All right. So you get you get into that cat, you get into that category of like where the thought of death and those things, it's it's basically that's you that's become that's become your Teflon. You've become you've become you've become you've become like zombies to the other things that affect other individuals.

It means nothing to you. That now death is, it's created what I call a dead calm. It's created this calmness about you guys to allow you to continue to do and propel and excel on a daily basis what other people find so hard to do every single day. So right before we walked into this RV motorhome, there's a friend of ours named At Charlie. At Charlie does a lot of great charity work. And he asked me when we were standing in the winery,

he said, how do you stay so calm when people screw you over? I say, well, a lot of people I've witnessed die. So I'm on the motion of those things. And I go and expecting the most people suck and don't show up on time. They don't perform on time. And I said, I said, is this your girlfriend? I said, let's say you said you're gonna go to dinner. And for a year of stretch at eight o'clock,

you said dinner and she showed up at eight, 30 each time. Whose fault is it at some point? If you keep getting upset with her on numbers the seventh time 10th time 30 time That's who she is and why is she just start making the reservation at nine o'clock until her to eight o'clock and she's gonna be there at 30 I go in knowing that a lot of people are gonna show up late I Go in knowing that people are gonna screw me over I've had some of my best friends in history steal hundreds of thousands millions of dollars and all these different things He's witnessed it.

My emotion doesn't change. And when I go into a poker game, he's witnessed me win $400,000. I look like this. Lose $100,000? I look like this. Because I go in knowing that sometimes I'll lose. And as long as I win most of the time, my happy camper, you just can't see it on my face. I'm happy to be there.

That's the most dangerous individual, too. That is the most dangerous individual too. That is the most dangerous dangerous individual in a in a good way. In a in a good way because there's a person that's that's that's that mind over feelings. I like that I talk about. Your mind has to be strongly, mind has to be stronger than your in your feelings and the people that have witnessed what you guys have witnessed, your mind becomes stronger than your feelings. I've kind of jokingly, but been serious on stage, and people talk about this. Speaking on stage is technically the number one fear in the world. Snakes is number two, and then there's obviously other things right after that.

So you don't want to do it. And you're going to do it on stage with a snake. That's what we're going to do. That's what don't want to do, we're gonna speak on stage with a snake. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do. That's what we're gonna. Now, if we might go do that after this podcast right now, it's not take another five minutes out of this schedule. And, and I've said this because I want more people to be able to feel comfortable speaking is I don't care what everyone here thinks because none of you will be in my funeral. When you really think about at your funeral, you have like 20 to 100 people at your funeral.

That's about it. And it's going to hopefully be in a long, long time from now. And nobody in this audience is going to be my funeral. And so if a bird poop on my head, and I say this literally on stage, if a bird pooped on my head right now, I'd wipe it off and keep talking and I wouldn't get gold. I wouldn't laugh. I wouldn't feel awkward. I wouldn't be like, excuse me. I would just keep talking because you guys are here to learn business content. And if while I'm talking, this microphone goes out, I'm going to throw it on the floor, I'm going to keep talking. Keep going.

And if all of a sudden, there's a rainstorm, we're going to talk through it until you guys can't do it. I'm not going to go to this stage under any circumstance. And my emotion won't change, you won't know that there's a rainstorm for me, you won't know that there's poop on me for me besides going like this because my job is to do what I can do and the things that I can't control, I'm not going to be emotional about. Well, you know why you're so great at that, and I didn't say good, why you're so great at that, because what happens is when you can control what you control, control, it makes the uncontrollable things easier to manage. Everyone says you can't control the uncontrollable, and you can't,

but you can manage them as long as you control What you can control because now when that situation happens that you're not aware of all right If you're if you don't have a control what you can control now the uncontrollable is chaos All right, you control what you can control now the uncontrollable is manageable There'll be a huge difference between chaos and manageable. Most people see those situations as chaos. They're looking for that one little thing to throw those things off. You see athletes having recovered from a misfree throw or something,

and it's been, they just like, I'm not shooting a ball anymore. I'm not going to the free throw line. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing that. So every year there are millions and millions of college athletes. And then tens of thousands of them trying to get into these different sports, a few thousand of them get into the league. And a few hundred of them really get any actual position on these NFL teams, NBA, MLB, etc. And then from there, there's a very finite amount that stand out.

Like if I said the team name that Tom Brady played on, you might only name two or three people, even though there's 56 players or 53 players. I can name a basketball team like Chicago Bulls. You name Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippin, and maybe one or two other guys. The Lakers, the same thing. What do you think the difference is between an athlete, an elite athlete, and a household name legend? Well, very few because every

Everybody comes in and say they want to be the best ever All right until you give them what the definition of being the best ever is You know, and you're like you I want to be I want to be the next Tarzan. Okay. Well This is the prerequisite for being 25 years ago to do this Tarzan This is this is this is before you let's before we before you can make Give you a this is what you gotta do. I forget about the ads and you're just before you can even get the tea This is this is what and then people I'm good. I'm here

You know what I really don't really don't give that bit thousands of times I don't want to go over you don't want to give that bit thousands of times. Yeah, I don't want to go over I don't want to go over here. I I have the saying I've said it all the time. I watch an individual get drafted All right, I watch and I see what they do How they treat the commissioner how they act at the draft what they do it what they do at what they do after the draft and it pretty much Determines where What's what's what's what's gonna what's gonna what's gonna happen over there. Same thing in the business.

They succeed at one event. All right, now, do they come back to that person and say, you know, I wanna do it better? Or are they say, you know, I'm good. I made it. So, I say this, when you shake the commissioner's hand, for most individuals, I said, welcome to the last day of your career. Welcome to the last day occur. When Kobe, when Kobe got, when Kobe got drafted, I forgot, maybe back then, they'll lead their 29 or 30 teams.

So every other player that got drafted in the first round had a draft party thrown for every single one. Kobe got drafted when he was 17. So what? All right. You got drafted when he was 17. You know what he did straight to the gym straight to the gym straight to the gym. All right, so you just, you just, you just look at it. You just know exactly, exactly what, where these people are going, going to fall after they sign the contract. Where, where are they going to live? Who they, like you said, where do they hang out with?

What are they doing? Where are the experiences? Do they, do the, uh, the individuals that, that they hang around with? Who, who are they, hang around with, who are they listening to? And it's funny, the individuals that have these legacy, iconic careers, as they continue to evolve, their circles actually get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller. You know, when you talk, Dan, when you talked about, when you talked about, when you talked about your funeral, all right, you said, it might be, it might be, it might be 20, it might be 20 people there.

All right. As you become more successful, you know, as you start to create more opportunities for other, as you become more charitable, and number is going to drop. You'll be like, yeah, it might be 10. Then it might be 5. It's the same thing, it's the same thing in the individuals. I just kind of get by the other individuals I get by the individuals that have an okay, they have an okay career. And then you have other individuals that are just like, you know, Michael wasn't the first pick in the draft. He was, he was, he was number three, you know, he was number three. And he wasn't even, and they had to convince him,

they had to convince the bulls to take him, because they wanted to take Sam Buu, they wanted to take another play in Rod Thorne said, no, this is a player I'm going to draft. When I talk, when you talk about those, when we talked about trauma, that trauma continues, you know, there's a great story of him going to him going to North Carolina. So Dean Smith was Dean Smith was his coach and Bus Peterson was rated the number one player that year and they both went to North

Carolina. So and Dean put Michael and Bus as roommates. And he introduced, he goes, Michael, this is a bus Peter. He's the number one. He's a number one player in the country. And Michael looks at him, says, he never played me. I'm going to be number one. He's never, he's never, and Dean would never let them play against each other just because he, Dean saw what, he saw that infact, right? In fact, right, Michael, and he just wanted to have it continue to grow, continue to grow, continue to grow. So it's, you know, all the masterminds and all the coaching and the mentoring ship you, you do is the ones that make it and even look at your top business, business people.

And even the protege is that you may have working under you. The best ones are the most coachable ones. They're the most coachable ones. And it's crazy. The most talented ones, the ones that have the most aculates that have always want to always want more coaching, you know, Tom Brady always wanted more coaching coaching Derek Jeter, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady always wanted more coaching, coaching Derek Geter, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, you know, Serena Williams, you just look at these individuals, they just, from a business standpoint, you know, there's how many top individuals. Yeah, talk to A-Rod today about it, like he's still asking advice, and though he's a

Brazilian, yeah, he still wants to learn. Right. They still they that that that's their thing. And that has a lot to do with like, I don't want to leave this earth knowing I could have done more for myself, more for my family, more for more for more for others. You know, there's a there's a fear factor about doubt people are people are either scared that they either Death either freezes them or allows them to fly It allows it allows them it allows them to fly because they know they only have so many flaps in those wings Where they're gonna be able to continue to continue to fly and all of a sudden like you said Dan one day you may

Go and those wings on flap, they just don't flap for you. So I do have to ask you one money question before we end this thing. Around 85% of athletes we've heard in the NFL NBA within five years go bankrupt. I think it's due to lack of information and people around them. What are your thoughts about so many athletes, soundly, whether that statistics true or it's even close, it's due to lack of information and people around them. What are your thoughts about so many athletes, how do you, whether that statistics true or it's even close, it's still terrible, even to those 10% 20% be terrible, but anywhere near 85% is a tragedy.

Why do you think that happens and why does it still continue happen even now in 2023? Well, one, it is the individual. There's a lot to do with the way the information that they're getting and the individuals that are around them. So you go from systems a little different now because where you can make money in college, you can make a little bit of money in college now through your imaging and so forth. But all of a sudden you go from a lot of athletes, they don't come from a lot. And then all of a sudden, there's 20 million dollars.

Bam. And all of a sudden, it's just, it's, it's, it's old, you've had not, that's, that's like you, that's like you tarz in on the first, on the first day, all of a sudden, you go, okay, you know what? Yeah, you had one snake, them snake, the manage, you know what? Here's 14 others. And by the way, take care of this ostrich over here. Take care of this,ich over here. Take care of this. We got this giraffe coming here. We got we got we got we got boss hog and her sister

coming, you know, and they're they don't know and takes a time to like, okay, let's this is what this is what this is what this is what you need to do. This is what needs needs to be in play. And it's what you said earlier, this is very, very important. This is very, very important is, they don't have individuals around them that tell them when they're doing things wrong. That won't call them out. That, you know, because they think, oh, it's gonna be endless.

They won't have, they let them get away. They let them get away away with things. All right. And it's it is a fixable problem, but that it starts with the individual itself. I give people whenever I have two pieces of advice for anybody that comes into a lot of money. And I don't care whether it's business, you win the lottery, you're a sports thing. I tell every, I tell people the same thing. Change your number, learn to say no. Wow. There's no explanation.

If you have to, after you say no, if you have to explain it, then it's not a no. No is the, in the deck, no is the in the deck. No is a complete sentence. No period. That's right. You know, everybody congratulates man. Let's go out and party.

Let's do this. I said, no, no, no, period. Change your number. Learn to say no. That's it. And because you know what I, what people, what I've said, and you know, when we did, I talked about this, I talked about this earlier is, the more success you have,

everyone says, you change, it actually changes the people around you more. You know, Dan, listen, you do, you're probably an individual that I don't know how much you do for charity I mean you're everything everything you do is towards a charitable contribution charitable things over there all right and you've put yourself in a position to be able to do that at a very very high end all right well I it, if you made 30 grand a year, you'd still be charitable.

For sure. All right. So the money didn't change, didn't change, Dan. It was still, your love for animals is going to be, it's genuine. It's genuine. It's the people around you. Just like when you said, you know, when you earlier, when you talked about, you know, what you want to be, Tarzan, you want to hang

around with your ass bears and all this. By the way, you guys have bears here? Yeah. Yeah. Make sure you call me when they're there. All right. But they look at, they look at you and they're like, well, you haven't changed. You said, my dream is this is what's going on. And now all of a sudden, they didn't believe in you back then. Now with sudden, they see you doing this thing. That's like, you know, I don't know how many people in the world can actually do what you're doing. And all of a sudden, man, can we be a part of this?

Can we come on? Can we come on right here? Can do, they changed. You were the same person, you believe in yourself, that thing, they didn't believe in you. Now they saw your success. Now they're like, here it is. Same thing from a, same thing from on your end. You would, regardless of what,

you would, everything you do now has a charitable component about everything. There's not one thing you don't do. You're mastermind. It was like, I'm giving, it's going to charity. It's going to, it's going to, and even if you didn't do that, things are still going to go to charity. How many individuals you have come up to?

Damn, why are you giving all this money away? What, why, and then when you get, man, you're such a good guy. I never like, man, I wish I could, I could do that. It's, it changes the people, it changes the people around you. That's why you have to say, yeah, you got to say, you got to say no. And you have to keep that, that circle is going to start to grow and grow and grow and grow and make it, make it smaller and small. And if you want to take care of you, if you want to take care of the people that that that around you,

it has to be within a limit. Because you know what you said, that career can end any day. Like that, you know, like just like, you know, football, you money isn't even get it. It's not even it's not even guaranteed in the in the in the in the MMA, you could be the hottest thing in the next gone gone gone. Say same thing, same thing in the same thing in basketball. You know, you could be the note. You could be the number one player picked that picked up in the draft and you're like, okay, so you made a hundred million dollars, but you left 600 million on there. And after the IRS and your agent and everybody else gets it's not the same.

It's not the same. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I could do this podcast for 19 more hours. Tim Grover is my favorite. We have a couple major requests for you guys. It is important for you to talk about money. We all grew up thinking it's rude to talk about money. We think it's rude to not talk about money because that's why we have a lot of financial practices. People don't talk about apartments, rent,

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