The Moth - The Moth Radio Hour: Other People's Shoes

Episode Date: July 18, 2023

In this hour, ballet "late in life," an unusual pet, drag queens and divorce. Stories to show us a new perspective. Hosted by The Moth's Executive Producer, Sarah Austin Jenness. The Moth Rad...io Hour is produced by The Moth and Jay Allison of Atlantic Public Media. Storytellers: Val Rigodon attempts to become a ballerina. Lincoln Bonner has an unlikely childhood companion. James Braly and his wife finally agree on something. Robert Sherer tries to distract his grandmother. Brian Belovitch is welcomed by the Rhode Island drag community.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 From PRX, this is the Moth Radio Hour. I'm Sarah Austin-Geness. Moth stories are all true, and are all told live. Listening to these stories is like walking for a few minutes in someone else's shoes. So let's do that for this hour. Our first storyteller is Val Rigadon. We met Val when she told a story in the CUNY Young Women's Voices Festival, which brings students together from all over the City University School System in New York. Since telling this story, Val has gone on to host shows with them off.
Starting point is 00:00:44 She's charming and she's quick on her feet as you'll hear. Since telling this story, Val has gone on to host shows with the Moth. She's charming and she's quick on her feet as you'll hear. So live at the Moth, Val Rigidon. Hello. Okay, so a few months ago, I learned that someone I knew very, very long ago, I was maybe six or seven and he was five. He died all of a sudden. And to be honest, I haven't thought about him or spoken to him since I was six or seven. So it was very strange for
Starting point is 00:01:12 me. It was like a puzzle piece plucked out of my past and just thrown away. And it was very just like I was on uneven ground. Suddenly, I could die next. My house could burn down. My parents could die. I could get into a car crash. I could fall down the stairs and break both my legs. Anything could happen. I was like, oh my god, this is too much. I got to watch a cartoon.
Starting point is 00:01:38 So I go and I turn on this CGI movie, and it's called Leap. And it's a very ugly movie. It's like sort of CGI 3D, and they have these really realistic human faces on these tiny cartoon bodies. And it's a little disturbing to see. But aside from that, it's a movie about ballet. And when the young girl who's the protagonist of the story,
Starting point is 00:02:06 she's dancing, it becomes very beautiful. And it really spoke to me because for almost my whole life, ballet has been something in the back of my head that I think, oh, man, I wish I did ballet when I was three, or I wish I started ballet, and I could be a ballerina now. But as I was watching the movie, I was thinking, why not do it now? I have the money, I have a job, and I could just go
Starting point is 00:02:31 to a ballet class and was thinking, okay, I'm 25, but I want to be a ballerina. So, okay, why not? I'll do that. So, I go to Groupon.com and I start researching. I'm like, okay, I found a class and I do a little research. They have an absolute beginner and basic beginner and advanced beginner and then intermediate. And then you can become, I guess, mid-level ballerina after all those classes.
Starting point is 00:03:05 So I think, okay, I'm gonna do a basic ballet, basic beginner, which is a step up from absolute beginner, because, you know, I'm a spray little pony. I think I could keep up, you know. It's not gonna be, you know, it'll be fine. So, there's I rush into class and I go in and it's this little studio be, you know, it'll be fine. So, now, as I rush into class and I go in and it's this little studio with, you know, mirrors on one wall and bars down the center. And I rush in and immediately, I notice everyone is, you know, very beautiful.
Starting point is 00:03:35 They're in the middle of their exercises. And I don't know much, but I do know the difference between a basic ballerina and a professional ballerina. And everyone in that class was like a a basic ballerina and a professional ballerina. And everyone in that class was like a professional, prima ballerina, and I don't understand. It's like these were the people who had done ballet in their youth when they were like 16, and they had to stop.
Starting point is 00:03:56 And now they're back 10 years later to put on their point shoes again and dance. And I'm like, oh my god, what am I done? But anyways, I just jump in and I start doing the dances doing the exercises and it's so hard and it's so fast and I don't know what I'm doing the teacher saying all these words, say, relevates, on, do, you know, plie and I'm like oh oh my god I can't and everyone everyone around me is beautiful They're like falling snow and so graceful. And I'm like sticks and rocks and I can't move. Okay, and the teacher, she's looking at me.
Starting point is 00:04:32 She's like, okay, calm down. She doesn't recognize, so she knows I'm new. She's like, okay, slow down. But I don't hear her because of all the blood rushing to my head because I had attempted to touch my toes, which I haven't done. So I'm like, oh, okay. So by the end of class, I'm like, oh my God, I'm up to call a newbie.
Starting point is 00:04:54 I'm not going to make it home. They're going to find my body on West Third Street, buried under like three inches of snow. I'm done. It's over. My legs are gone. But I make it home and I go to the class the day after because the group on was for five classes. And I can't be wasting money like that, not in this economy, I got to go back to the class
Starting point is 00:05:24 and complete it. And as I'm doing, you know, completing the group on, I'm looking for a little inspiration. So I look up ballerinas who started late. And I look up, I find Misty Copeland and she's another black ballerina and she's famous because she started much later than all the other professional ballerinas, so I start doing research into her. I'm like, okay, how late did she start? Says, Missy Copeland started ballet extremely late
Starting point is 00:05:55 at the age of 13. I'm like, oh, I'm done. It's over. Gotta take me out back. I'm going to the pastor in the sky. I'm already dead. 25, she's over. Gotta take me out back. I'm going to the pasture in the sky. I'm already dead. 25, she's 13. So here I am, six months later, and I'm
Starting point is 00:06:12 doing about three classes a week. I'm trying to get my body on order. And it's very frustrating now. It's still frustrating because I know what all the moves are supposed to look like, but I can't do them with this body I have, this ancient 25 year old body. But I am making progress little by little, and it's very encouraging with something
Starting point is 00:06:44 has hard and difficult as ballet to see myself getting better. It's rewarding. So here I am and I can just, you know, six months later and I can just barely sort of graze my toes with the longest nails on my fingers. You know, sort of brush them like a fairy's kiss, very lightly. And I know what all the ballet terms are and I can't do them, but I can tell you what they're supposed to look like. And I realize, have many more years to go before I'm going to be, you know, I can show off and show my ballet skills. But you know, here I am, and I'm alive.
Starting point is 00:07:27 That was Val Rigidon. She plays piano, violin, she bakes, she collects insects, and she loves to write letters to people who are incarcerated. She says she hasn't danced for a while, but she plans to start again soon. It's never too late, Val. Lincoln Bonner is our next storyteller. He was part of a math storytelling workshop with the Veterans of Fair Center, for veterans over 65 in the Bronx here in New York. It's quite rare to become friends with a rooster,
Starting point is 00:08:15 so that's why we asked Lincoln to tell this story about his favorite childhood companion. Here's Lincoln Bonner, live at the mall. I was born and raised in a small Jamaican village with a population of about 150 people, and most of us know each other by name. Our family were very close and its religious family. At the early age of eighth, I began to identify with favorites. I had my favorite song, my favorite poem, my favorite sibling. I had quite a few friends then. But my favorite friend was my pet rooster. I named him two.
Starting point is 00:09:08 To me, he was larger than life, so he ought to be more than one. So, just the name two. Two was from a brood of ten other atchlings. But from early on, I realized there was something special about them. I just know he's different. But as he got older, I realized he was a boy chicken. He was a rooster.
Starting point is 00:09:38 He was very, very proud. He had an attitude. I'm saying he had an attitude, especially by the way he walked. He walked in this short-footed manner in kind of a musical cadence. He was the type that stands out in a crowd. His feathers was what I noticed mostly about him. It was a bright brownish red hue that listening to the morning sun. I sort of begin to see him more like a person than a thing. Because he always seemed, if I can say this about a chicken, he always seemed happy. But looking back, if you were the only rooster in a yard of hands, why wouldn't you be happy? So anyway, as time go on, I was in charge of,
Starting point is 00:10:48 one of my duty was to feed the chickens every morning before I go to school and every evening when I get back from school. I used to see my father watching me feed in the chicken. And he had this pro looking his face, as if he's saying, oh, my boy is growing up to be an ardent chicken farmer. One of the things I used to do though, I used to sneak a packet full of corn. And when no one else was watching,
Starting point is 00:11:19 I used to feed this extra corn to two. Two was a very peculiar chicken. In that every evening on my way from school, he would meet me at the gate. Now, dogs do that. Those are the characteristics of dogs. Chicken usually don't meet your gate. So he used to meet me at a gate and walk me to the front door. And then I
Starting point is 00:11:51 sought a bond with this chicken, this rooster. And coming to think of it, I said, you know, when he walked, when we walked to the door, he never walked behind me or in front of me. He walked next to me. And I'm saying, does it see me as his friend, his bodyguard, or his peers? Then I began to think, I wonder if he'd think he's a person, or I I wonder if you think I was a chicken Anyway In our family Sunday was very special
Starting point is 00:12:36 Monday through Friday Everyone were busy with school and work We were seven the Adventists, so we worship and Saturdays. There's no cooking, no buying, no selling, no entertaining. So therefore, Sunday was very special and Sunday dinner was very, very special. This particular Sunday,
Starting point is 00:13:01 we gathered at the table and as as a customer, my father always preyed over the meal before we started eating. So this Sunday, while he was praying, the smell of the chicken, the aroma emanating from that baked chicken, was so tantalizing, I just couldn't wait for him to say amen. So anyway, as we sat there waiting to be served, my father looked at me with this sense of assurance or pride and he says, son, do you know what you're about to eat? At that moment straight away I knew what he meant, but I started to, no, no, he didn't say that. So I raced away from the dining table
Starting point is 00:13:56 and I went to the bathroom and I closed the door and I sat down. And I was just deer in a gaze, a frightened gaze. And then I said, did he say, do you know what you're about to eat? Or did he say, do you know who you were about to eat? See, because in my mind, too was not a thing. He was my friend. He was like a person.
Starting point is 00:14:24 So anyway, I gathered myself and I started thinking, I said, I fed him extra corn daily. That made him prumper than the rest. That made him qualify for dinner. So all kind of things started going in my head. I have anger, I have fear, but I also have guilt. Am I responsible for his demise? I was the one who fed him extra corn. So anyway, that day, too died but one death. But I think I died a thousand dead.
Starting point is 00:15:04 I just couldn't think. I did not have dinner that day. And in fact, that was the last pet I ever owned. I just couldn't have myself be attached to anything that you might eventually lose. It wasn't until I was a young adult that I was able to shape this whole experience. And I started to re-reason again. And I said, you know, I never told my father this was my pet. I didn't never told him he was my friend.
Starting point is 00:15:42 I just incorrectly assumed that they would have known the obvious. He knew I was attached to this chicken but he never knew anything beyond that. See as a country boy I should have known when you raise chicken or any animal for that matter it's the healthier ones that make it to the butcher or to the market or to the dining table. But as a child, you're not thinking that. You just think they're going to be with you forever. So I was able to shake that. I began to totally forgive my father and he wasn't guilty of anything. Two died the way he lived. He died an hero.
Starting point is 00:16:28 He lived like, he lived an hero and he died an hero. Thank you. Oh. That was Lincoln Bonner. Lincoln told me it took years before he could have any close relationships again after the loss of two. It still affects him. Lincoln loves to garden and he's also a singer. In fact, he's been a tenor with the New York City labor chorus for the last 27 years. He's performed with them in Wales, Sweden, Cuba, and a New York City at Madison Square Garden,
Starting point is 00:17:02 Carnegie Hall, and on the Great Lawn of Central Park. And we're listening to the New York City at Madison Square Garden, Carnegie Hall, and on the great lawn of Central Park. And we're listening to the New York City Labor Chorus right now. To hear more stories from our Moth Community program go to the Moth.org. Oh God, oh God, when it's long, oh makes a decision that will forever change his family's life when the Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts, and presented by PRX. This is the Moth Radio Hour from PRX. I'm Sarah Austin-Geness. The Moth started as a live event series in 1997, way before this radio program began, and at this point more than 30,000 people around the world have told stories at the Moth. If you go to the Moth.org,
Starting point is 00:18:42 you'll find a treasured truth of stories and curated playlists. James Braille told this next story at a Moth Night in Boston, where we partnered with Public Radio Station WGBH. The theme was high anxiety. Here's James, live at the Moth. So I'm sitting at my desk. I'm a little apartment in this tiny town in Western Massachusetts, sorting through a big box of photographs of my life with my wife, Jane. A few hours from now, we're scheduled to meet one last time at the mediators and sign our separation agreement. So I'm crying because I'm terrified. I'm making this huge mistake, leaving a woman I have loved over half my life at this point and who I
Starting point is 00:19:33 am certain I'll love for the rest of my life. That much I know. We've been together so long, I can't even remember what it feels like to not be us. I've gone from boy to man, husband to father, all with Jane, all in photographs. The day I graduated from college, standing in a cap and gown amidst 5,000 people kissing Jane. Like, nobody's there. Our first trip to Europe. On a street in Paris, you have no idea when this is, the buildings are
Starting point is 00:20:06 centuries old and James in this timeless red coat and earmuffs. All you can tell is that she's radiantly happy and whoever's taking this photograph loves her. Standing in our living room, in our first apartment in party hats and party favors, like two little kids, on our wedding day in the back of the London taxi, surrounded by flowers from our wedding reception. I'd seen the taxi at the stoplight in New York a few years back and asked the driver for his business card, thinking, one day, you might need this.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Our first son and his little car seat, after we just got out of a taxi bringing him home from the hospital for the first time. Jane and I holding it together standing in front of our apartment building. Our second son in that same building moments after he was born in our living room on purpose. The four of us together on a beach vacation, tan and smiling scrunched together in the frame as I snapped the photo. Every major stage of life, Jane and I have been through it together.
Starting point is 00:21:15 She's like my name. I know there's a time I didn't have it, but I can't actually feel what that was like, versus Jane and how she feels. My hands have actually grown around her body. I would know her with my eyes closed. The problem is that even with my eyes closed, there's a whole other set of memories. And I don't have any pictures of those. You never take your camera out during a fight.
Starting point is 00:21:47 The hundreds of times I begged her to stop nursing the boys after they'd turned three and then four, and then five years old, with teeth and chores and baseball gloves. Stop breastfeeding the short stops. Or the hundreds of times she begged me to stop reorganizing the spices in the kitchen alphabetically and by bottle size when I didn't do any cooking. I am not controlling. I just respect order. Or the time when in addition to being controlling was I hyper competitive at one of our son's birthday parties after Jane had organized a non-competitive game of musical chairs. Leaving an apartment full of happy and smiling kids versus the children after I had organized a game of real musical chairs, leaving one winner in an apartment full of losers, including my son in tears. Did I recognize the error of my
Starting point is 00:22:58 ways and the wisdom of James? Absolutely. Did I tell Jane? Absolutely not. Love means never having to say you're sorry, and I love Jane. In addition to being controlling and hypercompetitive was I paranoid, just because I believe that all the paintings in the Metropolitan Museum of Art were fakes. Because who in their right mind would let someone like me stand inches from real Rembrandt with a Swiss Army knife in my pocket? Like a slash it up, just like that. After Jane realized I was telling her the truth, she asked, where do you think they keep the real Rembrandt? And I said, it involves in the basement next to the workshops
Starting point is 00:23:51 where they make all of the other fakes of the Ming Vases and the Byzantine Jewelry they sell in the gift shops, leading Jane to conclude that in addition to being controlling and competitive and paranoid, I was crazy. Just basically the same thing I thought about her. Every time we sat down to have a meal or tried to, one time we were on vacations, standing in a deli and I was ordering smoked turkey sandwiches and potato chips.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Jane said I couldn't have the smoked turkey because it had night traits and the potato chips were fried and cottonseed oil, cotton, not a food product, no FDA oversight. I said we're on vacation. The boys said we're starving and the woman behind the turkey slice just said absolutely nothing. She just stared at us through these vacant husks. It was like looking at me in a heronette. Thousands of these arguments, which maybe on their own don't seem significant, but when added together, it feels like you've been through a war, a death by a thousand cuts. I really wish I had photographs of those memories right now, to go along with the happy memories, which I'm actually holding in my hand, their real things as the phone rings, and it's Jane saying how you
Starting point is 00:25:11 doing. I say, not good. She says, do you think we should go through with this, like it's my decision, which it is, but I'm not qualified to make decisions, right? Decisions aren't my forte. I think I'm the most indecisive guy I've ever met. So I'm hoping when I say we have to go through with this, that she'll say, well, actually we don't. We could go to a 14th
Starting point is 00:25:42 marriage counselor, or maybe to one of those getting the love you deserve weekends with a crazy couple in North Carolina. Come on, James, don't give up, because that's what she always says. But this time she says, I guess you're right. Finally, she agrees with me. A few hours later, we're at the mediators. He's on one side of a desk, and we're sitting side-by-side
Starting point is 00:26:07 on the other, and on the desktop, I built an altar to our marriage. 405 photographs from the big box leaning like a T.P. against this giant organic Canadian baby bees wax candle. It's made from the honeycomb tops of organic Canadian baby bees. It costs an absolute fortune. But Jane loves the fragrance and supposedly it burns for $700, so it's a good value.
Starting point is 00:26:40 I'll never know. I'm giving it to her along with the house. She grabs one of the photographs from the altar and says, look at that family, like it's somebody else, which soon it will be. We are so strong, she says, and balanced. And now I agree with her. She's the home, I'm the worker, one sons an athlete, the other is an artist. We have everything anyone could reasonably expect out of life.
Starting point is 00:27:05 Jane hops up on my lap like she did on our first date, and then cranes her head into my neck like a swan, like we've made it for life, which Jane says we have and next life too, she believes in reincarnation. The mediator says, well, this is very unusual. And I've seen this a lot. Are you sure you want to do this? Jane says, we love each other, which is true, which is why I'm not sure I want to do this,
Starting point is 00:27:36 but I'm not sure about anything. Being uncertain just means I'm alive. The mediator asks his assistant to come in and says, will you give them that piece of paper you use? And she hands us a sheet of non-denominational wedding vows saying, I marry people when I'm not divorcing them. Hang on to that, James says the mediator. One day, you might need it.
Starting point is 00:28:02 And then the assistant drops a big stack of separation agreements on the desk, which are as big as the altar. And Jane starts crying, saying, I'm losing everything I have ever wanted. And I am too. I've had two stepmothers and three stepfathers, a half dozen brothers and sisters in law, some of them twice, 12 marriages amongst five people. Mine is the 13th marriage, and it's the last first marriage. The last chance to change this history and have a family I can count on, which I am breaking apart, and no one is telling me, don't do it, including Jane. One at a time we signed and counter-signed the separation agreements,
Starting point is 00:28:47 heading them back and forth to each other. Jane's signature, looking at exactly as it did on the night we met at the Hungarian pastry shop when she wrote her name and number on this little scrap of paper and I put it in my wallet and brought it home and put it on my bedside table and kissed it good night for three weeks until I finally got through the busy signal. When the last agreement assigned and counter-signed, I hand the mediator my camera and Jane and I stand against the wall and pose the mediator snaps a shot and says, what do you think? And I think it looks like we just got married and I'm looking at a picture of when we just got married, right there on his desk.
Starting point is 00:29:28 We are beaming because this is what it looks like to agree. About education and health care and money, and all the things we've been bickering about for years. Granted, it took seven lawyers and a judge and a forensic psychologist and a mediator, a whole lot of money, but all's well, that ends well. I am so happy I could ask her to marry me. Few minutes later, we're walking down the sidewalk, hand in hand, embracing at her car,
Starting point is 00:29:59 feeling her shape, inhaling her scent one last time, knowing that I will always regret leaving her. But that this is what it means to be me. The most you can hope for if you're me is that this is the right thing to do right now. Leaving a woman I have loved more than anyone I've ever known except for my boys, which is why one of the photographs on the desk was of them and me, the three of us on vacation, me suspending them by their ankles upside down. Back when I was strong enough and they were small enough for me to suspend them, all three of us laughing, it's the picture of happiness, which Jane not only photographed,
Starting point is 00:30:43 but made possible, because the truth is, I didn't have the courage to reproduce. I didn't want to be me, and I could not imagine making someone else feel that way. But she did have the courage, which made it very easy to follow her to this emotional continent. I didn't even know existed. Kind of like she's following me now to this brand new place in our lives. I can actually see her behind me in the rear view mirror as we're driving home. So I slow down so that the other cars can't come between us,
Starting point is 00:31:20 like we're still together. I'm in front, she's behind, our kids are in school, everyone is exactly where they should be right now, as I pull down my signal and turn. Thank you. APPLAUSE That was James Brawlin. James is the writer and performer of a one-person show,
Starting point is 00:31:47 life in a marital institution, 20 years of monogamy in one terrifying hour. You can listen to this show through a link on the Malfe.org. As you're listening, do these stories make you think of your own? Because you can pitch us your story by recording it right on our site, or call 877-799-Moff. That's 877-799-6684. The best pitches are developed for mouth shows all around the world, so your story could find its way to the mouth stage After our break, two stories about matriarchal figures. One surprises her grandson and the other pushes her son to the edge, when the Mothradio Hour continues. The Mothradio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts, and
Starting point is 00:32:57 presented by the Public Radio Exchange, PRX.org. This is the Mothrad Radio Hour from PRX. I'm Sarah Austin-Geness. We have two more stories for you. I love stories about grandparents who have a strong influence in the lives of the younger generations. And our next story from Robert Sheerr is an ode to his feisty grandmother. Here's Robert, live at the Moth in Seattle. So a couple of years ago when I was living in New York City, my grandma and I were sitting in the living room of her apartment. It had been about five years since my grandfather had died, so she was living by herself. And I was in the middle of a spell of unemployment. So I was visiting her pretty frequently
Starting point is 00:33:49 because I had the time, because I was the only person who in the family that was nearby, and a lot of our friends weren't there. So she wasn't getting many visitors. And if we went to lunch, she would pay. So we're sitting in the living room and talking, and I had to go to the bathroom. So I said, Grandma, I'm going to go to the bathroom. And she says, OK, I'll walk with you.
Starting point is 00:34:13 Now I knew where the bathroom was, and despite what I look like, I am potty trained. But this was actually, this was unusual. My grandma was in her early 90s, and she was getting early in her stage of dementia. So because I was the only person that was nearby, I was tasked with coming and taking care of her a lot. My dad, my aunt, were living in California. So this involved as much as, or taking her outside the apartment to places like the drug store to get her medicine
Starting point is 00:34:49 or going, accompanying her to the doctor for those visits. But it also meant doing things inside the apartment and like keeping track of what was going on. And she was a paranoid New York Jew who had dementia who was prideful and stubborn, so she would always follow me around the apartment if I needed to take care of anything. And she was just always on me. She's like, why are you doing over there? Why don't you touch that? Why are you like, look at the photo, it's wonderful, like this. So I figured out eventually that if I told her I had to go to the bathroom,
Starting point is 00:35:23 that she would actually go into the kitchen and read the newspaper. And so sometimes I actually had to go to the bathroom, but a lot of times I actually had to like, duck into the den to check through her male because she wasn't paying her bills or something like that, right? Or it afforded me time to go into her bedroom, unfortunately, and actually search for her dirty laundry because she would would hide it. And the cleaning lady at the time was coming in like, what she would clean and then also do grandma's laundry. So I had to like literally search for her dirty laundry and put it in a pile for the cleaning lady.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Or it would have given me the time to like look for the mouse traps, like the glue mouse traps that I had set. When I said grandma, I'm half to go to the bathroom, she would say okay, because like I had to go later to make sure there were mice there. We caught six to her alive when I caught them, like they moved still, it's not great. So I had to like, you know, it was a part of, I had to distract her basically so that I could go into all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:36:27 So when she stands up and says, I'm gonna walk with you to the bathroom, it was unusual. So we walked to the bathroom, I went in the bathroom, I took care of my business because I actually had to go to the bathroom. I washed my hands because obviously you wash your hands after you go to the bathroom. And I opened the door and grandma was standing there waiting for me. And she puts her hand out and she says, come walk with me. So we go back in the living room, we sit down.
Starting point is 00:36:52 And she hands me a piece of paper. And she says, go ahead, open it. So I open the piece of paper. And there's a two and two number scribbled on it. She's not writing well now. Also, I said, Grandma, what is this number? And she says, Robert, you know that I love you. I care about you so very much.
Starting point is 00:37:11 But I'm worried about you. And I said, Grandma, why are you worried about me? And she says, Robert, you're going to the bathroom all the time. And you're in there so long, so I called my doctor and I got you a referral for a really good urologist. Please, for me, will you just call him and make an appointment? I never called that urologist, but what happened after that is I still use the going to the bathroom
Starting point is 00:37:47 excuse to like distract grandma, but instead of saying okay and going to the kitchen before she said okay she would say, Robert, did you ever call that urologist? And I lied to her and I said yes grandma, I've told you before, he says I'm fine, I just have a really small bladder. Thank you. Robert Schier lived in New York for 12 years, mostly in the East Village, eating chicken cutlets with his grandparents. But he lives in Seattle now with his wife and daughter. Robert's grandmother died just shy of her 98th birthday.
Starting point is 00:38:24 He says he's proud of the fact that, not once in his whole life, did he win a game of chess when he and his grandmother played. She won every game handily. Brian Belovich tells our final story. He crafted this in a Moth community workshop with the Generations Project, which preserves and shares LGBTQ history through cross-generational storytelling. We do want to caution you that there's a moment in the story where Brian hears a sense of language about being gay, but just so
Starting point is 00:39:00 you know, he rises above it. Here's Brian, live at the mouth. When I was five, I was five once. I always felt that I was very special in some way. I was very precocious and I perceived things a little bit differently than most kids my age. I was raised by a single mom in Providence, Rhode Island. Yeah, Providence, Rhode Island. Little Rody. And I have one of seven. I have one sister and five brothers.
Starting point is 00:39:51 My brothers were all bigger, stronger, and much more masculine than I was. In contrast, I was pretty and effeminate. It was confusing at first, and sometimes a little embarrassing. But for the most part, I felt special. And back then, I just thought I was fabulous. Who knew? Who knew? Where we lived in our neighborhood up the street, there was this diner where a bunch of drag queens hung out.
Starting point is 00:40:30 And my oldest brother would always tease me and tell me, one day, you're gonna be just like them. I felt so ashamed and to prove him wrong, I would come home from school and brag how I dared my friends to hurl rocks at the queens and call them names. This became a little bit more complicated when I was about to enter puberty and go into high school. In 1972, when I was 16, I was a person of questionable gender identity myself. And I was being harassed daily. Little did I know, here I was becoming the very thing that I was most frightened of.
Starting point is 00:41:24 Now I was being bullied, and I felt trapped, and it didn't feel fabulous. I, clearly, I knew there was something that I had to do. I had to make some decision, but I had no idea what it was. At home, though, when I was alone, it was a very different story. My mother was really beautiful and very glamorous and she had the wardrobe to match. I loved girls things. One day, I snuck into her closet and I started trying things on. And soon it became a regular occurrence.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I just loved dressing up and pretending to be something other than myself. One day as I was frallicking in the closet, I didn't even hear my mother's car pulling the driveway until she slammed the door. Frantically, I ripped off the wig, slipped out of the gown, kicked the high heels back into the closet, and luckily, I ditched all the drag. For sure, she would have killed me. She was notoriously homophobic and wasn't
Starting point is 00:42:43 shy about using physical punishment In fact if I did anything wrong and there wasn't about in close proximity She was great at improvising with whatever was in close reach After school I used to hang out with my friends and, you know, smoke some cigarettes, and across the street from where we hung out, there was this big red brick apartment building. I noticed that the tenets of the building were the drag queens from the diner. Above the entrance to the building, there was a big sign that beckoned in red-bowled letters, the Lola.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Yeah. It became my daily pilgrimage, as I sat there puffing away, watching these, this cast of characters that I was just fascinated with, running in and out of the beauty parlour, with the hair up in curlers, you know, in broad daylight, you know, even like flagging down cars for potential, you know, customers to, you know, to make a little extra money. And my feelings toward them changed. I started to feel a sense of joy just watching them go about their lives. One day, I finally summoned up the nerve
Starting point is 00:44:15 to cross the street in Bama Segrat. As I was stepping across the street up onto the curb, I was welcomed with open arms. I knew right then and there that I was going to run away and join the track circus. LAUGHTER After that, I started skipping school. I started saying, I'll later and later and later,
Starting point is 00:44:42 and making up flimsy excuses telling my mother where I was. And by this time I had made fast friends with this trans woman named Rusty who had this huge red afro. She was the first one to dress me up. And she said to me, now I'm your drag mother. It's like, okay. One night we got all dressed up and I was wearing this really cool black satin halter top with bell-bottom jeans and platform shoes and these really cute clip-on earrings. And she did my makeup, she put on a little mascara,
Starting point is 00:45:28 some light blush and some bright red lipstick. And we sash-ed downtown and we turned around the corner to this dimly lit alley and we could hear the sounds of the song, I'm under the influence of love. We couldn't reach that dance floor any quicker. of the song, I'm under the influence of love. We couldn't reach that dance floor any quicker. We lost our minds over that song. It was just one of those jams of the day.
Starting point is 00:45:54 And as we were dancing, Rusty looked over at me at one point and she had this really worried look on her face and she leaned in and she said, whatever you do, Miss Honey, do not turn around. I think that that's your. Before she finished her sentence, I felt a hand snatch up my hair from behind. It was my mother.
Starting point is 00:46:24 She must have driven by and seen us walking downtown and followed us. Before I could do anything, she's dragging me down the stairs, hitting me over the head with her purse. And my butt is like banging every single step down the stairs. We get outside, she shoves me in the back seat of the car. Way to lie, get you home, she says. She jumps in the front looking into her rearview mirror. She barks at me. What is that on your face? You're wearing makeup? And lipstick? Boys don't wear lipstick. So finally we get home and she tells me, you get upstairs and go in your room and don't come out. What are you?
Starting point is 00:47:11 A queer like those fags and fairies down there in the bar? As I reached the top of the stairs, I felt my face flush hot. Unable to stop the tears falling down my cheeks, I turned and I screamed, yes ma, I am a fag. I am queer and I don't care who knows it. With an aflash, she was on that top step, broom and hand, as she broke it across my back and beat me down the hall, down the hallway to my room. When she was through trying to make a man out of me,
Starting point is 00:48:03 she slammed the door behind her. I sat there, looked around, packed up a little bag, tipped toad out onto the second floor balcony, shimmied shimmyed my ass down the drain pipe and never looked back since. That was Brian Belovich. Brian arrived in New York in 1974 and has been working as a writer and performer here ever since. He said, quote, my incarnations include a questionably queer boy, a married trans woman, and presently a proud gay man. End quote. The longer story about this amazing adventure is detailed in his memoir, Trans Figured,
Starting point is 00:48:59 my journey from boy to girl to woman to man. During a recent trip back to Rhode Island, Brian and his husband drove by the Lola apartment building that's featured in the story. And they took photos of Brian sitting on the same bench he mentions. You can see that photo and extras related to the stories you hear on the Moth radio hour on our website,
Starting point is 00:49:19 the moth.org. And as a reminder to all of our listeners, we have opened to the public m math shows all around the world now. Find details of where we are near you on our website. We'd love to see you soon. That's it for this episode of the Moth Radio Hour. We hope you'll join us next time. Your host this hour was Sarah Austin, Janess. Sarah also directed the stories in the show along with Catherine Burns, Jennifer Hickson, Catherine McCarthy, and Larry Rosen. The rest of the most direct-toil staff includes Sarah Haberman and Meg Bowles.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Production support from Timothy Lulee and Emily Couch. The Moth would like to thank the Kate Spade Foundation for their support of the CUNY Young Women's Voices Festival. Moth's stories are true, as remembered and affirmed by the storytellers. Our theme music is by the Drift, other music in this hour, from Buda Tribe, the New York City labor chorus, Stoweigan's symphonet, the West Elise, and Love Unlimited. The Moth Radio Hour is produced by me, Jay Allison, with Vicki Merrick, at Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.
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