The Nateland Podcast - #72 Seinfeld ft. Mark Normand

Episode Date: November 10, 2021

Since we're often called a podcast about nothing and since we quote Seinfeld episodes almost every week, we decided to do an entire episode about our favorite sitcom. This week we're joined by fellow comedian and Seinfeld enthusiast Mark Normand to geek out about all things Seinfeld.    Podcast produced by Nate & Laura Bargatze Recording & Editing by Genovations Media https://www.natebargatze.com https://www.allthingscomedy.com https://www.genovationsmedia.com Email - [e-mail] #nateland #natebargatze     Vuori - Vuoriclothing.com/Nate Vuori is an investment in your happiness.   For our listeners they are offering 20% off your first purchase.  Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at vuoriclothing.com/nate.     TalkSpace -  TalkSpace.com   Join Talkspace today and start moving forward with a single message. Just visit Talk Space Dot Com and get $100 off your first month when you use promo code NATE at sign-up. That’s $100 off at Talk Space DCom, promo code NATE.   Paint Your Life - PaintYourLife.com    At Paint Your Life dot com there’s no risk.  If you don’t love the final painting, your money is refunded. Guaranteed.  And right now as a limited time offer, get 20% off your painting and free shipping.  To get this special offer, text the word NATE to 64-000.  Paint Your Life: Celebrate the moments that matter most. 

Hello folks, welcome to Nate Land. Got a little special one here for you. This is a special episode that we're going to put out. So I'm here with Brian Bates. Aaron Weber, not here. Hates the Seinfeld TV show. Yep. And so we got a new person in that's a big fan of the Seinfeld TV show, Mark Norman.

Hey, hey, good to be here. Thanks for having me. There he is, in person. I look like Aaron's after photo. Yeah, yeah. There's, yeah, you do. Like, that's what he wants to get to. I'm his goalie.

Yeah, he's like, God, if I could just get down to that. No one could stop me then. Don't do it, Aaron. Yeah, stay where you're at. He's lost a lot of weight. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's lost, I mean, a ton of weight, actually. But, you know, he still has another you amount of weight to lose.

And now he— He's on the road. He's on the road. Yeah, Aaron, yeah, that's why. That'll help. That'd be great. I should have said it. I wasn't even thinking that, but it would be great. He's on the road. Yeah, Aaron. Yeah, that's why. That would be great. I should have said it. I wasn't even thinking that, but it would be great.

So I told Aaron, no. I said, I brought in Mark Norman. And Mark Norman, if he moves to Nashville, you're out, Aaron. Yeah. No, it's, yeah, he's on the road. And this was very kind of last minute quick. You're in town. You're at Zaney's this weekend, which, I mean,

you would have already played there by the time people heard this. All sold out. Added a show. You're starting it up, dude. Pretty shocking. have already played there about 10 people heard this. All sold out out of the show. You're starting it up, dude. Pretty shocking. I can't believe it. I feel good. You started selling some cut.

Like, are you starting to sell more weekends out? And it's all, it's like, it's clicking. It's clicking, but there's some weird markets where you go, oh boy, Indianapolis. They really hate me here. No, no. You got to go to those. I do. They're all, I mean, yeah, I know you do it.

Like, me and you were very similar when we were both in New York. We were the ones that did a ton of spots. Yes. We did, I mean, it was not, like, we couldn't stop. Couldn't stop. Every kind of room, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, club, bar show. No days off. No days off.

Who needs it? I mean, what else are we doing? Yeah. That's what's so great. When you first came to New York and I was there, when did you start comedy? 07, 06. So when did you move to New York? Late 07.

Yeah. So I was there like three years at that point. But it's funny, New York, three years, you might as well be there 10. Yeah. Like it's just so much. And I remember when you moved there and while we got along was because of that. Because it was like, I was doing the spots. I left in 2012.

And then it was like, then you were like, you just were like, I was like, yeah, dude, you do everything. Yeah. That's what I did. No days off. No, you got to be a psycho. I missed a ton of weddings, a ton of holidays. Your parents hate you.

I know. Sometimes you pay to go on Yeah I couldn't do it again Like do you ever think back Like I don't Just the Eating pizza every night The drinking

The day jobs Brutal Yeah yeah I wouldn't want to I always think that Funnest time of my life Yeah But I wouldn't want to go back

Couldn't do it And I think people do that with college They would break you Couldn't do it. And I think people do that with college. They would break you. Oh, yeah. You couldn't do it. Oh, I was on my honeymoon in Amsterdam, and he was like, you know, Norman's there with Bert Kreischer, and I'm like, I cannot hang with him. That's one night.

No. Yeah, on his honeymoon. I was like, how do you not go? Yeah. You got to go see him. Well, it wasn't like, oh, yeah, I didn't want my nose to see them. I couldn't hang with you for one night. I would ruin my wedding before I got home.

Yeah, that's true. She would stay. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, but you do it. I'm trying to think. I don't think I did comedy money. Like, you're a go-do. If you go to something, you're like, I mean, I'd go visit my mother-in-law with Laura.

And I remember going to Huntsville and doing shows. I'd be like, I'm going to go out and do a show tonight. Like, you just find a show. Yeah, the ladies hate that. Yeah. Not fans. A couple years ago, I went to Zaney's on a Wednesday night to see you. It was half full.

And then this weekend, I'm like, hey, can I come see Norman? They're like, Saturday at 4. It's the only chance you can. I'll get you there. Everything else is sold out. I got you. Yeah. At a 4 o'clock show.

Yeah. You have to do that now like you have to sometimes go either like people want they're like oh we want to come like saturday early show yeah of course you do yeah that's a little tough exactly you gotta throw i have one show that's like i just been like look i'll that one's gonna be a little it's like the you gotta get your people in like when i do nashville's like you got to get your people in. Like when I do Nashville, it's like family, wife's family. It's all our family and some old, my old friends. And then the other ones that I know that are my friends now, you're like, y'all got to go on this other day. The off peak. The off, yeah.

You can't be there that day. No. And also, I don't know about you, but I hate family and friends in the audience. I want the strangers. Oh, I don't let them sit up front. There you go. I always tell people, if I'm giving them tickets and they're on my guest list and they're like, oh, is it going to be good seats?

I'm like, no, no, no, no. You should buy them if you want better seats. You're not going to be up front. No. You can't. No. If you look at someone that knows you and so you just think they see through they don't you know it's i don't think they think that but we it's hard you think they

see through you because they're like yes you're like that's not you know or something they might be like yeah it's like he's we're not all like that or they i don't know it's just hard it's hard it makes you feel vulnerable and less authentic yeah Yeah. My buddy, Michael Clay, who I started comedy with, I remember I came out to Zany's once, and it was when it was kind of packed. It was starting to, I don't know if it was one night or something. I don't know. But it was maybe sold out that night.

And then so I got him tickets, and I walked on stage, and he's front row right there. And they put him there. And I mean, my first move on stage, the door opens, and I just go, just look at him. I'm like, why would you? And he thinks he's being a great friend. Look at me. Look at my front.

Yeah. Now, he knew because we started comedy, and I go like that, and he goes, I'm sorry. They just put him there, and he's like, what's he going to, you know, he's not going to yell at someone for putting him there. It's where you learn that you're like, oh, I got to make sure I tell them. Right. Like, hey, if I have someone, they can't be in my sight line. Yeah.

If you're a friend or family, if you want to go see a show, go secretly. Then you'll see the real show. Yeah. Otherwise we're going to, you know to change it up because we see you. Yeah, yeah. That's true. You could just not say anything. Yeah.

But then you get off stage and go, my aunt was here? Oh, boy. Oh, no. I went hard. I'm talking about her uncle for half an hour. Yeah. Yeah. You got off and go, I got a new 30 minutes with my uncle.

And you're like, oh, your aunt was here. He's like, oh, I shouldn't have tried've done shows it's i know everyone though it's all friends and family so i have to stagger them my least like yeah friends and family up front and then just work them back so now these people listen this no well i'm not front row seats to brian you can go you know i'm not a fan of you right right it's the least you see yeah it's like you gotta get your friends and family. You're like, well, I don't see them a lot. And so like they can go closer.

And the closer to you, the farther back they go. Exactly. But it is perfect for us. And I think we're introverted, weirdo comedians. So if somebody goes, I'm going to come see your show, you go, great. This counts as a hang. Yeah. Because otherwise it would be a nightmare for us.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You do a lot of it. I mean i mean i hang it's mostly at my show yeah and i still see uh i've seen more people than most people see because i'm you're always going to their town and then so i go hang out and uh like my buddy mitch from high school just came to uh charleston and he came ate with us hung out with us backstage, went to the show. We hung out after the show. And then that was it. And it was like, you know, some of you just get so busy. You're like, dude, if you want to hang, this is the hang.

This is it. Because I can't. You know, it's like when I'm home, you're like, I'm barely home. Yeah. And I still have a family. Yes. And so, you know, I had had to somewhat because i can come home and want to golf or something like i mean i've had this weekend i had buddies come some buddies

came over you're just kind of busy and then it's like i was talking to laura i was like i do like i got to get better at being like oh let me just get home with saying you know it's not like i don't talk to him but yeah it's like it's just you know i bring a circus around me of course and then so then your circus kind of comes home and then you're like you got to them, but it's like, it's just, you know, I bring a circus around me. Of course. And then, so then your circus kind of comes home and then you're like, you got to be like, oh, it's all kind of new to me. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I got to get, I got to like, I need to like be better at being with them.

Yes. You know, being, we're going to my daughter's softball game tonight. It's like, well, it's like, you go to that, just me, you know, no one else is there. And there's so much of me that's, you're like, hey, you want to go to my daughter's circle? Because the comics just want, they're like, oh, let's come hang out. And in comics, we're such idiots. We'll be like, yeah, I'll go, dude. I'll go to this kid's softball game.

Because we're like, what if we get a joke out of it? Exactly. And then they get a fight with the ref. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're closer. Yeah, exactly. You got to be open to everything as a comic.

That's true. Which. It's real easy not to. Yeah. Real easy to go, no thanks. I'm not going to that. Very easy. And you got to go to stuff that you're not comfortable doing.

Because that's, you know, and you want to be, you got to live. You know, I remember Sinbad said that in a book where he was like, before you get started, you do, you know, it's like you're on, he was on a Greyhound bus and he's the funniest comedian in the country. But he's like, but then you start riding in limos and you start doing all this stuff. You get famous and then you can't go do the things that you normally could have done. Well, then your act becomes not as good. Of course. Sinbad became very crowd work. I wonder if that's a big part of

it because it's like almost like what's he gonna talk about his regular life he's in movies he's famous he can't do this because he's like well i'll just be funny and talk to the crowd right and then maybe that's a way to adapt oh yeah i've thought about that i uh did a gig at caroline's remember those caroline's gigs that you follow sinbad or whatever he would do an hour yeah he probably did three hours so he pushed the show that i was on with a bunch of no-name guys that just canceled because he just took up all the time and so we kind of showed up like oh geez sinbad what are you doing and he goes don't worry and he just told us stories for another three hours oh so now we had to listen to those yeah but it was probably a fun great great stories that's it

i think i've talked about that talk about opening for paul mooney on here oh wow uh i don't know not opening for him but we so paul mooney who just passed away uh this is like a legendary comic uh black comic uh and if people don't know him like he but wrote for, yeah, look at the camera. He's black. He's black, yeah. Back check. Yeah. I just looked into it. Confirmed. Confirmed.

And so he was like with Eddie Murphy. I mean, this dude's like a legend. Legend, prior. And so he would do these Sunday shows. Remember, he would always do like Sunday or something at Caroline's. So his audience would come, and he would show up whenever. I know Jay, Bigay opened for him once and they when he goes up they go look you might do five minutes and you might do an hour yeah we

don't know and so you just got to go up and that's hard like usually someone if someone ever tells you dude just go up until we lie you we don't know that's like the worst yeah because you're like i just need some kind of time frame exactly. Like, what am I doing? Like, am I trying to just murder for 10 minutes or am I, do I got to do an hour? Well, then I don't want to just be at 20 minutes and be like, well, I've done all my A stuff and they're like, you need 40 more minutes. And you're like, well, I haven't saved anything. Exactly. So it's hard.

And it's not really your crowd. It's his crowd. It's his crowd. And so one show we're doing it, and he doesn't show up. And so they just put us up because they're like, well, we got these people here. We can't have a show. So obvious his crowd is like him. Yeah.

And they're older, too. Like his crowd's older. And I don't think they're not thrilled to be watching just a bunch of white comics. That's what they had to throw up. So we all just go up in front of Paul Mooney's crowd and they're like, what is this? I remember just looking at this

man, this old man. The whole show, he's just shaking his head. His mindset was like, alright, I'm about to go here, dude, trash white people for an hour. It's going to be amazing. And then he just gets white people shoved in his face more. And you're like, ah.

I mean, he hate, like, you know. Where was this at? Carolines. Yeah. It was just so funny that we were like, why would you get, don't put us up there. And they're like, I mean, what are we going to do? He's not here.

Yeah, and you are. And they're here, and you are. And so they told him, some people left, and some people were like, I guess I'll stay we going to do? He's not here. Yeah, and you are. And they're here, and you are. And so they told him. Some people left, and some people were like, I guess I'll stay. And it just wasn't their cup of tea. I opened for J.B. Smoove there, and it was right when Curb hit. Everybody loved Curb. He was on Curb. And so it was all Jewish people in the audience, like New York Jews.

And he came out to the ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da. So they're going nuts, like, oh, we're going to see Leon Black. He was filthy. I mean, like, deaf comedy jam. And I remember watching everybody walk out. It was like the exodus of the, you know, let my people go. All just leaving yarmulke after yarmulke. Gone.

Just getting out of there. Yeah. That's all you saw. That's it. Everybody puts it back on and they leave. I don't know. Do they take it off? I don't think so. Yeah. You leave it on, right? I saw you open for Bruce Bruce at Carolina. That's it. Everybody puts it back on and they leave. I don't know. Do they take it off? I don't think so.

Yeah. You leave it on, right? I saw you open for Bruce Bruce at Carolina. Oh, yeah. Yeah. By the way, this is an episode about Seinfeld. I don't know how we've got here. Yeah, I opened for Bruce Bruce.

That was the funniest. He was very nice. Didn't talk to him much. Was kind of like going to his green room. Going to Green McCallion's like kind of pay your respects to a legend and be like, I'm a comic. I'm from the South. And he's like, that's good, man.

He's like, good for you. Keep doing it. It was very polite. Yeah. And then you just kind of walk out of the green room. Didn't spend a ton of time with him. Not in a bad way. I mean, he's a dude that travels everywhere.

That's the thing. Some comics get so mad at headliners yeah not like saying us but like i even before i was ever headlining i just remember being like he never talked to me like dude he has to talk to everybody every weekend yeah like you think he wants to talk to you've been doing coming six months i know and you got to go talk to this guy like no you don't i would it would drive you crazy yeah yeah they think oh we'll bond he'll take me on the road we'll have this great relationship like come on this is a gig he's gone tomorrow yeah and it's and you will so just be like how do i get his gig yeah you're get you

shouldn't be trying to say how do i get on the road with that guy it should be like well how do i become that guy and that's what you do that's the problem people just look at like how do i become on the road with that yeah and you're like well that's that can end up being not working out yeah and then so then you make it and then your feelings get hurt because you're got a lot more i'm you know you look at it where you're like i'm not relying anything on this guy yeah i don't if he doesn't it's cool that i get to do this and that's where it lies yeah anything helping anything else is bonus and just kill this And just kill this show. Just kill this show.

And so I went up and I go on stage, sold out, and it was good. And then when you bring him up, you leave the stage. Yeah. And they announce it. It's a proper theater bringing up. This was at Caroline's. And he goes, so I go, all right, good night. I walk off stage

Mark Theobald was on the show too oh yeah yeah and then so I think I was I went up first and Mark went up maybe Mark was hosting

cause he was gonna bring Bruce Bruce up I was Mark was farther along than me as a comic but I think Mark it's like

that's part of the show was him being up there oh okay and then so I go up do like whatever and then they go, all right,

everybody's walking on stage. Bruce, Bruce, they yell his name. And he's in the green room and he's not coming. They start playing a song and he's not coming.

And I almost, almost, and thank goodness I didn't, went to him and said, hey, they said your name. Because I didn't think, you know,

I'm so new that I think like, I'm used to like, when they say your name, I'm sprinting to the stage'm so new that I think like I'm used to like when I say your name I'm sprinting to the stage of course yeah and so I almost I don't know the theatrics of like what he's doing and so I mean you know I always thought I was gonna go up to him good they said your name name and so I've luckily some good part of me is going, don't do that. Yes. I imagine he knows. Wow.

It's a sold-out show for him. And then he comes out with two people, two security dudes walking behind him. This song, people are losing it. Funny, the two security dudes are smaller than he is. Yeah. They would do nothing. He would have to fight people to make sure they don't get killed. And then he gets on stage and raps the last part of the song,

and then that's it. It was pretty cool. Oh, yeah. And so it was like, oh, all right. But it was a fun. That's a fun thing to see. It's a hell of an experience. And I assume you opened for Earthquake at some point.

Yeah. Someday, I hope so. Yeah. He's a killer. He does pretty good with urban African-Americanrican-american yeah my best videos got is uh all black show yeah oh there you go like two million views well it's fun because you get to be the the white guy the novelty yeah oh yeah and he's that yeah you're not with us yeah yeah you're like good not you're not prepared for it you're like all right let's calm it down

this episode's about seininfeld television show. Oh, yeah. That's one of my favorite curb things when J.B. Smoove doesn't know Seinfeld. Oh, that's great. Yeah. And he's like, this show is Larry David. He's like, you never watched this show? And he's like, no, I've never seen it.

I said, what is this? Yeah, what is this? He goes, this is really funny. And he's like, you never seen Seinfeld? He's like, no, never saw it. Yeah. Never even heard of it. Never even heard of it. Never even heard of it.

You know whoever? I'm not trying to, this will be a name drop because I'm saying it. Who else doesn't know Seinfeld? Lance Armstrong. What? So I did his podcast. I've got to know him. He's coming to a few shows, and we were talking about it.

Because when Seinfeld was on, he was in Europe. He was doing Tour de France. He was the top of the game. So he was basically Seinfeld was on, he was in Europe. He was doing Tour de France. He was the top of the game. So he was basically Seinfeld. At that point, you look at it, Jordan, Seinfeld, Lamps, Armstrong. Those are the- Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods was coming right at the end of that.

He was like 2000. But it was like all that kind of was like, those dudes were the main dudes anybody talked about. True. So he was gone. So he was in another country so he's like never watched it makes sense all his references when you talk to him are like pre him going to start riding bikes oh wow it's like old eddie murphy specials are

delirious like it's the only thing he knows he'll talk to you be like what about this you're like yeah dude that was the uh early 80s or late 80s and he's like well then he became lance armstrong so he's like i was like he did nothing busy i was busy yeah and now he's like well then he became lance armstrong so he's like i was like he did nothing i was busy yeah and now he's like with oj yeah he goes what's he goes man what's a great running back you know i go yeah well a lot has changed yeah uh yeah don't be a shock to your system but yeah so uh all right to get started as you have a couple comments we're gonna we're only doing a couple uh because it's a special episode. Well, and these are brand new.

It's not like I've been saving these. This one came yesterday. I would love Mark Norman to come on this podcast, but I'm pretty sure Nateland would lose a few podcast fans. I mean, talk about other end of the spectrum. Yeah, not funny. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, no, if you listen to Norman, I mean, you're basically, you do get dirty, but you're kind of, I always told you, I was like, you can do a Tonight Show tomorrow.

Yeah. Like, you can clean it up, take stuff out, and that's the part of his comic. There's a lot of comics that I think people think they're dirty, but they're the ones that don't always feel dirty uh unless you're looking for it yeah but they you know like you you've done a million like late night appearances so you can't talk about stuff on there uh so you're uh you're you would be one that's like you're you're kind of a cleaner act but you you know you curse and you have some other jokes stuff like that but. But not too far. Like Vecchione was just with us. Yeah, killer.

Mike is the same kind of – Mike's basically clean. Yeah. And some of it is like, oh, yeah, just be clean, dude. But the ultimate compliment, you get this a lot, is like, oh, I didn't even realize Nate was clean, which is the nicest thing you can say. That's all you want. Yeah. That's all you want because you don't want someone to be like,

they're there for that. I mean, some people are there for that, and so you want. Yeah. That's all you want. Because you don't want someone to be like, they're there for that. I mean, some people are there for that. And so you want those people too, but you want other people to not. Because I think there's just a tarnish on clean. Yeah. Like it's people think, I'm not watching this. It's like a clean, like it's not going to be, it's corny. It's not going to be written well and all this stuff.

And like, I just had this idea. You're like, no, no, no, no. We, I always think that's an audience I want to go after is to show them we can create things that don't have to be dirty. And no one's doing it, so why don't I just try to do that and go after that? Because then you're going to get the people that, I want people that come to you, come to Tom Segura,

come to whoever, tell, and then i want them to come to me and like i want us to all be like yeah we're all the same comics whether you want this or that or whatever these are all great comics yeah i'm not saying me i'm not trying to throw myself in that but you guys but you know what i mean like you just want to be a great comic yes and you want to be no matter what people do i'm sorry uh here we go. Aaron's gone one point. And then, yeah, so. Have you ever had a bit, and I've always wondered this about clean comics,

where you go, oh, this is so good, but it's not clean. And you just want to do it. Maybe one or two. And one of them I talked about, and that's on YouTube, in that article that was written where he talked about it was like uh a joke about like prostitution like and I added something like that it was it was clean but it was like on my edge the edge of your side and I and then I had someone

reach out and I like heard this girl's feelings and I just hated it. And so I never really told that joke again, but it got taped at a comedy club, so it's not my video. And so it's just up. It's not a bad joke, but it just was mean-spirited, and I didn't like that. I didn't want to hurt someone's feelings, no matter who they are, whether they're that or they're in church or they're on the street. It's just not – I don't think I find it fun to be like –

I feel the same way. Some people are like, oh, you say this edgy stuff. Are you trying to get a rise out of people? I'm like, no way. I never got those comics. I walk half the room. Why? I want the room to have a good time and laugh.

I think people that do that are not good comics. I think so, too. And so they go – they're walking the room anyway. And so they're like, well, I'll do better if I just try to do that are not good comics. I think so too. And so they go, they're walking the room anyway and so they're like, well, I'll do better if I just try to walk it on purpose. Yeah.

And so then I get to be the guy that, oh, you got to go see it, walk through it and you're almost playing that, you're becoming that niche. True.

Or, you know, weirdly enough, people could not like to hear this, Larry David kind of, like, you could argue with his standup is he would go up,

it's very funny, the stories are very funny. Like, I mean, he went on stage when he first started and we look at the crowd and be like, no, I don't like this crowd and walk off stage. And you look and now you're like, that's hilarious, dude. That's so funny to do that. But then you're like in that moment, you're like, well, he's not good enough to do standup. Yeah.

And I'm not trying to say anything, but it's like not to trash him or something. Like obviously he's. Hilarious. Yeah. Obviously it's like not to trash him or something. Obviously, he's… Hilarious. Yeah. Obviously, he's like brilliant. Yeah. But it's like in that world, you're like, you know, dude, I mean, yeah, your job is to go perform for these people. Yeah.

Don't do that job. And he did it. Yeah. He did this job. And this was the job that was the one in the curb. And like he's unreal. And now, you know, i think he could you know probably do some stand-up yeah now but like he's very people get him now i don't think they got

him then that's true and that's part of stand-up is getting the audience to get you immediately and he was like i'm not doing that part i'll go write something right if something. Yeah. Yeah. Go do it. It's not for everybody. Yeah. But coming up with stuff, now I would say, I just don't. My mind doesn't really go to that. So you really put yourself in the position to be whatever you write is kind of what you think about. It's what you're looking for. So since I'm not doing any of that stuff, I don't I don't have any sex jokes or like that kind of stuff. I'm just not looking there for jokes.

And so like, I just don't, it just doesn't come into my mind. Not saying it never will. I don't know. I don't want to say anything, but I just, it would be very forced. Yeah. It would feel forced. And so I don't, I just don't, it just doesn't pop in. That's good. Yeah. Because then you have to push it down. It doesn't pop in anyway. You're golden. Yeah. Yeah. It would feel forced. And so I don't, I just don't, it just doesn't pop in. That's good.

Yeah. Because then you have to push it down. It doesn't pop in anyway. You're golden. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's always helped you with late nights and stuff like that. You're just like, I just don't think like that. So I'm not saying it's better or worse or any, I have no, but it's like, I'm just, that's how my, that's how I think. I do think writing clean is more skillful because you actually have to find the magic in some scenario.

Or, you know, if you do a joke about tables, it's got to be actually funny. Whereas if you throw in the dirty, the curse word, you can get it kind of more about a sex joke, but you just started with a table. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's way harder to go full clean. But I think when you nail a clean joke it's actually you found the comedy in it yeah instead of just yeah flipping it over to something well people are cursing sometimes now it's like some of them you're like all right dude it's too much yeah oh

yeah you're like you can't be you know saying these words is like just your in-between words oh the filler and then you're even then it blows for the part where you it blows it for when you actually need that word yes because you're just saying it like willy like the way i say like like you're just you know it's like just kind of a brain part where you just go like oh i'm just trying to think of something real fast i feel like seinfeld's most people think seinfeld's clean but he'll have an occasional word in there but it's it's it adds to it yeah it it's more there but it's it's it adds to it yeah it it's more impactful because it's rare yeah yeah there's a Cosby you know before Cosby

everybody you know the whole thing but he has a joke where he says the a word and it murders it gets like a two minute laugh because it's so special yeah yeah see that yeah you are as you said you've always stuck by cosby's side yeah and yes i like his later stuff yeah i didn't like his earlier stuff by the way you can see how terrified i'm trying to act normal in this photo and i'm freaking out the whole time what's going on here we uh we did four shows at the beacon highlight of my life yeah this is pre-covid obviously and uh after the four shows he likes to do a thing where he goes where i rented out this italian joint great pizza and then we had tiramisu after and a couple of glasses of wine and just talk comedy and trash people and i walked home on cloud nine that night, just clicking my heels all the way from midtown.

Yeah. I mean, it's, yeah. I remember when he mentioned you on the Mets game. Yeah. So they had, or do you have all this stuff? I have that. Yeah. Do you want me to play it?

Yeah, yeah. So this is a big one. I'm going to get misty. Yeah. I want to know who is the best young, up-and-coming comic that we should keep our eyes on. He already hates it. He's like, here we go. Crazy guys.

I mean, I remember I texted you that night and you were obviously getting blown up. Yeah. Because it was like everybody saw it. We were losing mind yes yeah like how quickly did you know it i was bombing in buffalo it was july 4th weekend so the club was empty yeah i had like 12 people there bombing sweating i get off stage after the first friday show and then you have a minute before you have to do the second show and i'm in the green room like whoo and my phone is like a pinball machine i was like huh and like seinfeld's talking about yeah and i just clicked one of the links and i couldn't believe it i sent it to my parents they actually cared about it for the first time and uh yeah it's

it's great because you can't take that away from me right you know you can you can ruin my life or kill me or whatever but i have that on video forever yeah yeah yeah i that's, and as all three of us in this boat, that's our guy. Yes. That's our, like, we love that guy. Legend. And. I bet you were so grateful for whoever took that photo. I was, yeah.

Proving that you had that night. Who took it? He's got a, like a bodyguard kind of right hand man. And he took it for you. He totally did. He was like, there you go. I was like, oh. Yeah.

Because obviously you want it the whole time, but you don't want to be like, hey, can somebody get this? Yeah. I'll be that guy. That's so good, man, to have people like that that's with him that understand how, like they like you. Yes. And so then they go, he wants this. Exactly. I had my old manager, Abby Robertson.

Here, grab that. She took this one, and I grab that there uh she took this one and i'm always grateful for that she took this and i don't know if you can see it but it was like this is i've posted it before but it's like oh wow it's with it's with fallon and leno look how young you are yeah it's crazy man it wasn't that long ago yeah that's fat two weeks, Nate. Two weeks ago. Yeah, yeah. Those were the bad days. But it's like, so they took, so she took this picture, and that was the situation where all this was happening, and you're like, well, if I'm lucky, I can get a picture on stage.

But this picture is more important than the one that's on stage. Wow. And I'm always grateful that Abby took that picture, because it was, Abby Robertson. That's huge. Because it was just, yeah, it was uh happy robertson uh that's huge it was just yeah it was enormous like it was just such a good it was such a good uh that was such a crazy experience because when you're around those guys i've now like talked to leno like yeah you know we uh he called he'll

call him he just calls you and uh and then we're meeting we'll talk a little bit and it's i'm always like great you're always like i can't believe i'm talking to you it's uh you know you're like this is you just feel like you're like dude you shouldn't be talking i know i know that's you know but you want to give them money or something yeah you're like what's your charity i'll do whatever you want so make a wish for us yeah it's it's such a cool thing seinfeld is the one that i haven't met uh how annoyed were you when you saw that video like oh come on I mean it's he called me yeah two hours I got to Mark Norman's nothing in this business I mean Seinfeld even said it he said here's a guy that's terrible he hasn't broken yeah he's he's bombing in Buffalo right now I'm here I flew to Buffalo

to make sure he was bombing still no I was happy for you I I would be very very jealous I mean obviously you I want to meet him but I've been very jealous for uh anybody else but you're just like for you and how you're like us and you're a big big big fan that you're like I'm happy you know you're a good person you want good people to right like get this and you're a great comic and so you were like man and it's crazy because then you're a good person you want good people to right like get this and you're a great comic and so you were like man and it's crazy because then you're like that's such a big deal that i can't believe that i was able to talk to you about wow like you're like golly dude like seinfeld's the dude like yeah being starstruck it's gotten it's less and less i don't get it that much

anymore but that but him i would be i would be able to talk to him but it's like that's all i want i want to like i'll i'm trying to open i told i think i told my manager we're gonna try to call him seinfeld watches this i'll open for you any town you want me to come to he is a fan i know he likes you yeah uh yeah see i don't even know like i've heard that i've heard him say it there's a guy named berregazzi. A little dirty, but. Yeah. A little too dirty for my taste. But he's one of us, too.

You watch him on Communes and Cars. He's got a Jerry Lewis episode, and he's like an eight-year-old. Yes, sir, Mr. Lewis. I love you. I'm a huge fan. Can I ask you about this? And you're like, that's just what we do to him. Yeah.

Yeah. It just keeps passing down. Yeah. He, yeah, I want to, yeah yeah it just keeps passing down yeah he uh yeah i want to yeah i just want to go out i want to go out with him i want to go do this i just want to talk comedy i don't care if we could i open for him i just want to yeah be able to go sit and talk comedy with him i opened for ryan hamilton one weekend and i picked his brain the whole weekend just what it's like opening for him on the road yeah so yeah to

me it's just an honor to know someone like yourself that's met him it's like the 50s like you you met babe ruth yeah you know you talk to him too like all the time or i mean we'll text every now it's getting less and less because of covid and then you just never see him anymore and comedy got weird so it's less and less but we text about norm yeah and that What's his number? Yeah. Let's go ahead and pass that along. Hey, Jerry, it's neighbor Getsy. Norm and Gabe, I'm sure you're cool with it. Yeah. Yeah.

They, yeah, it's, yeah, I imagine that, but it's nice to be able to have that, you know. I do, like, I had it with Chris Rock because I opened for him. And I just did the DAR in DC. And that's where they taped Delirious and Robin Williams special. And they did Chris Rock special there and a bunch more. I think Mulaney might have shot something there. And then so I texted him that there's a picture of his special up on the wall.

And he's like, ah. He goes, well, the main one was Delirious. And that's still kind of crazy. He's like crazy like dude i can't believe i'm talking to this this dude yep i'm taking a picture of his face from a special that he did and then he's like yeah eddie murphys is the one the important one and you're like just the fact that you're able to talk to a guy that has seen all that stuff you're like this is crazy dude well that's the cool thing about stand-up is we don't have as much pretension like if you're a're a low-level guitar guy, you're never going to hang out with Mick Jagger. Yeah.

But we get to hang out with these guys because we're all just comics. Yeah. They have these big levels of, you know, I'm a superstar. Comics, comic. They want this. Yes. They want this hang. When Foxworthy was with us, it was like, I think Foxworthy would come on the bus with me.

Wow. And, like, just hang. Like, Foxworthy, they're at a point where career stuff is like, they've done everything. They like doing comedy, so they like making jokes and stuff. But it's like, they're at the top. And so now what they don't get anymore is that. Yes.

You and him sitting at a table talking comedy. And that's all any of us want. I know. And so they like the hang. And so we had like when we're at foxworthy i mean we're just all he's like the nicest dude he's another one that's like i can't believe i'm talking to him i had his cassette growing up yeah it blew my mind it's crazy and then you and then we're sitting there talking comedy and he's telling me these stories

and like just the names he's saying you're like you're like is that guy alive like you know but it's like the most famous people ever he's not doing it in a bragging way it's like that's the life that he's kind of doing and like so it's just kind of a crazy it's a crazy life but he loves talking comedy it was fun to like you know hear stuff that you're like well he would never say some of this out loud and you're like but he's trust you and you're like oh wow you're like this is great i mean it's unbelievable unbelievable yeah and those guys had to like foxworthy had to come up when comedy was, comedy's big now. It's accepted.

It's on Netflix. People saw it at the Garden all the time. Comedy was like very niche, underground. I think to come up in the 80s like that and then the 90s, that's impressive to me. I want to talk to him about his New York days. Yeah. Like what they did at the beginning.

I've always wanted to know that. Same. Because he's like, what are they getting paid? Yep. Where are they living? Where were they living? Where you have to take cabs? Yeah, exactly.

You take subways? Were you able to make money? Like, you know, how did it? How did you do the road without a GPS? Yeah. When did you start doing the road? Yes. When you were doing clubs?

Like, you know, because you don't know. Like, Eddie Murphy was always someone that you're like you just figured he was famous yep immediately and then you're talking to chris rock you're like no he would go to stress factory and he'd go up there and do something and you're like what like you're and he was like running his act and you're like oh so like he's a phenom but then you're like but there was work you still gotta work it out still gotta work it out and uh and you think with him that you're just like oh i thought he just like was like oh you want me to do a special then he was like he just went and did it yeah and like even doing comedy you're like i can see how hard it is but it's you know he's 22 needs that special is legendary

unbelievable that you're going maybe he is that good like i don't know you know he's just got a gift he's got it he's one got a gift. He's got it. He's one in a million. Yeah, that's like, I mean, with Cosby, which all we keep referring, this is old Cosby. We're talking old comics. One of Norman's heroes. Later stuff.

Later stuff. But like, where did he go run? Did he ever run stuff? Did he ever? I think he just did it on the road. Like you just have to do the road and you just. Well, like in Comedian when Seinfeld says Cosby, or Chris Rock says he did, what, two and a half hours?

Yeah. Without a break or something like that. Maybe longer than that. I can't remember. It's probably that. It's a good point. Yeah. It's kind of Chappelle-ish.

And then, yeah, it's fun. You want to come here? this is the special episode but this is uh our daughter harper that's mark harper he hasn't met she hasn't met mark we're just talking seinfeld she just got home from school she got a softball game tonight the nightmares oh that's the name of the team name that's's scary. So we're hoping to win. All right. Good team name. I was a bedwetter, so I get it. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about science. All right.

I just rewatched the pilot episode. I think the first two seasons, maybe the first three, are the ones I know the least best. Yeah, those aren't the best. What do you tell someone if they're going back to watch it? The only thing I would say to watch the first two and it's not like they're bad it's just they're shot very old and like it's always just like a little different uh i would say look it's not bad to watch the first two just so you can get these characters and i think you'll enjoy the rest of it more because you really know who they are if someone

is like i kind of know them and stuff i I'm always like, start at three. Episode, season three. Just start there and go. Three to seven is the best. That's the good stuff. But I'll argue some, we can argue some eight and nine. Let's argue. No Larry David. It got wacky. I read an article where Michael Richards said

at first he did Kareem's character as a little dumb and step behind everyone, and then he's flipped it where he's like, no, I'm a little bit ahead of you in a weird way. And that's when everything changed, I think, for that character. It's funny for a dumb guy to think he's smart. Yeah. That's comedy. How much do you want to work with that guy?

Larry Charles is his name, right? Yeah. You see him on something. Every time I talk about a TV show, I'm like, will he do it? I just want him to do it. I know, right? And it's like he like he's like doing so much other stuff you're like i just want to work with him yeah you know like oh yeah dude he's ridiculous looks like a guy that wouldn't have created yes yes it looks like a guy that you would be like you think that guy watched it and you'd be like no no no yeah he looks like a guy that larry dave would hate yeah but they're tight isn't he the

one that comes out of the bathroom on the airplane when the lane yeah that's right yeah he looks like a guy that Larry David would hate Yeah But they're tight Isn't he the one that comes out of the bathroom on the airplane when the lane Yeah, that's right Yeah He looks like ZZ Top or something Yeah, yeah, yeah I just watched the pilot, Kramer was called Kessler Yep Oh, in the pilot

In the pilot because the real Kenny Kramer wouldn't allow them to use his name Yeah That's where stuff makes the best comedy When you use a real person everybody can yep everybody gets on board with that because they're like everybody's like oh oh you know what he's like my like if it's if you're creating someone that's just a full-blown character that's like doesn't exist then we're just watching but if you're like oh that that was my real neighbor you're like oh you know what i'd do a guy that was kind of like that yeah and then like people were more invested because they just think of someone that they know

completely yeah i remember uh what's the guy who did raymond phil rosenthal rosenthal he said he tried to write the script and it wasn't going anywhere he's like i'm just gonna write about my family and then it took off oh yeah he's i mean done, uh, he came up with so much stuff and like, I mean, that whole series, I mean, that show is, I always say that Everybody Loves Raymond. It's like, I know it's an amazing show. I was at an age when that show came out that it was, I was probably 20 or 19, or I was doing comedy. Like it was a lot lot. No, 2001 maybe when it came out. And then, so it was like, I was like about to start comedy. I was just at an age where I like wasn't watching TV like that.

And I'll go back and watch it now. And I'm like, oh, this is unreal. Yeah, it's great. How good this show is. And it's almost one I need to go back through all completely. Yeah. But it's like, I just kind of like, I remember my parents watching all the time. And he was like talking about a lot of his marriage

and stuff and you're like I just you know you're at that point you're not married and I'm starting comedy but now

when I go back and watch it I'm like oh this is I used to want to go pitch shows and I'd be like let's just pitch them

Everybody Loves Raymond and we'll change the names because I always thought if you pitch a show let me just I'll just say the exact pitch of Everybody Loves Raymond

and I won't say his name because that's what they want and. Of course. And you go like, you want to go like, I'll make that for you. You want that? There you go. You like that? I'll make that for you, because that's essentially what you're making anyway. Yep. It's going to be me in it. Yeah. And probably the last one of those, he did Letterman, Letterman liked him, gave him a sitcom, killed it. Has that happened? I mean, it was like Seinfeld, Roseanne, Ellen had a sitcom, Ray Romano. Kevin James. Kevin James, Tim Allen. But that might have been the last big one.

They're the ones that last. Those are all still on the air. Yeah. They're the most watched. It's true. And they don't go back to it. And they have, yeah, so he did, well, I had it with Fallon, we tried to do it with me and uh like

that's when my two shows were found is like he wanted to be letterman and ray romano the way he looked at it yeah and they just it didn't work out but i the problem becomes like when you pitch stuff they always want multicam multicam lasts the longest i mean we're still watching seinfeld just sold to netflix yes and so they like, that's how good that show is, is that it's 25 years later, and it's on, and now it's being probably the most watched show. So was Friends. Yeah.

All those shows. And then you go try to pitch that show now, and they're like, no, I don't think people are watching. You're like, well, they're still watching that one. So I'd imagine, if you hang on, that they do it, because I think they want the networks, like, it's cheaper to shoot this type of show. Yeah. A multicam show, which people are listening.

I mean, most know, but I don't know if I would have known before I got into it. But multicam is you're on a set. Everything's already built. It's in a studio. Like, you know, you have four cameras. It's like a play. And that's cheaper to do. So they tell you that's what we're looking for.

And then when you do it, and I know it from my pilot, and then maybe ours wasn't good enough. But you go pitch it to the people, and then you let them see it. And then they're like, ah, because they don't watch this show. I know. So that person's still a regular person that goes, I just feel old and all this. And they're not thinking about, well, who would watch it?

Because the Big Bang Theory. Yeah. I mean, CBS is crushing it with the ratings of them. Yeah. They had it. They still did it. But yeah, it's interesting. It's shocking, too, because, I mean, let's be honest,

a lot of these network suits are kind of cowardly. Like, they just keep making the Avengers over and over because they know it works so you think they would go with the tv model that works but they don't and that's where netflix is kind of moving forward is like they had you know that squid i haven't watched squid games but it's oh it's huge yeah i mean someone said it's the most watched show ever in that on netflix like already i think someone said this one some told me That's Goldman from a buddy. That's not answered from, you know, my buddy Wyatt told me that.

It's not like, I don't know if that could be false completely. I bet it was just number one this week. Yeah. He clicked on it. And he clicked it. He goes, maybe the biggest in the world. Yeah.

You know, bigger than the Super Bowl. You're like, is it? Yeah, right. What's another one? Well, anyway, they finally paid. They thought Kramer was a funnier name than Kessler, so they paid Kenny Kramer $1,000 for the name. Yeah, classic Kramer.

That's classic Kramer. Perfect. Yeah. George Costanza, of course, was modeled after Larry David. At first, he played him as Woody Allen type, but then he changed to Larry David. But there was a real Jerry's former friend, Michael Costanza, sued Seinfeld and NBC

for $100 million, claiming the series violated his privacy. The court sided with the show's creators, but Michael Costanza said, George is bald, I am bald,

George is stocky, I am stocky. George and I both went to Queens College with Jerry. George's high school teacher nignated him, can't stand you, so did mine.

George had a thing about bathrooms and parking spaces, so do i it's like he's got a pretty strong case like you said you got to just go with people you know you gotta go people you know and that's tough that's always like you say like you put people's real names in i don't know if it's if it works out yeah but and you didn't put his in his last name stanza that's probably the mistake yep is you just go just give him a different name. And then the guy could never know who it's based off of. He's in an episode. The ice cream truck. He's driving the car and he goes, hey, I got ice cream melting back here.

I got to go. It's some of them fighting for the parking spot. It's the parking spot one where they both, one backed in, one pulled in. And he goes, y'all got to move it. I got an ice cream truck. That's him. That'sastan yeah whoa and so he and then they move the cars out and then they move them back exactly where they were was that the hey i'll give you a spot in the show if you leave me alone maybe i mean they might have been still friends at that point uh that's

hard because i mean he's just looking at like well jerry's based i mean it's tough i you know it's one of those that like look, you couldn't create a show about you. And then Jerry and Larry David came on that show about you. He came out. He added Kramer, Stanza. It's people in his life. You know, do you give them money? Like this, sometimes you just think like, do you just throw them some money?

Yeah. I mean, I've made so much. Like, here you go. You're a big part of it. Or do you not? You know, it's tough. Yeah, it's tough. You can't use the name.

That's tough. But I mean, Kramer is such a good name. Costanza is such a good name. I know. It's great. It's tough. Yeah. But it's, you know, give them a job on the show.

Like, you know, hire them. I read an article yesterday. I kind of remember this, that Kathy Griffin's character, first time she's on as Susan's college roommate, in between shoots, she asked Jerry if she could get an autograph for her friend, and he yelled at her and said, that's the last thing I need

to be thinking about right now. And then she went on her half-hour HBO special and just kind of talked about that and ran it on it. And then he brought her back and did that whole episode about. Oh, that's right. And she does a one-woman show and stuff like that. And trashes it.

So he kind of made an episode about the trashing and stuff like that. And then the guy who played Ramon, the pool boy, there was another guy originally who was supposed to play him, and they wanted him to do it in a Spanish accent. And he said he refused to do it because he thought it was demeaning. So they got rid of him. There you go, that worked out. Oh, is it demeaning? Well then, no.

Yeah. Adios. Yeah. I think he said a lot of mean stuff about Jerry. So they put Kathy Griffin's character calling him the devil and stuff like that. So everything that happened to him, he would just make an episode out of it. That's smart. It's truth.

That's why everything feels real, even though it's crazy. And you just add a little more jokes into it, add a story with it. But go like, this is all based off something. Yeah. Carol Leifer, is that her name? Yeah.

A lot of people think Elaine's kind of based off her. She said people hear her up all the time with stories because she was a writer on the show. A lot of people think Elaine's kind of based on her. She said people hear up all the time with stories because she was a writer on the show and most of the time they were terrible but she had a friend

that said, we had a dinner party the other night and these people brought her bread to serve at dinner and I forgot to put it out and I noticed

at the end of the night they took the bread home and she pitched that to Larry David and he's like, we're putting that in an episode. There you go.

One of my favorite episodes. Yeah. That's such a good episode. The Marble Rye? The Marble Rye. Yeah, great episode. Yeah. I've never baited a hook

with a rye before. Yeah. That's such a great episode. Yeah. She also said that Jerry was such a nice guy. They dated at one time and then they stayed friends,

but her dad was sick and he flew her home. Jerry flew her home on a private jet to see her dad who had dementia and she visited him and he was doing better and the

next day she went back and they said she said how's he doing they said uh the dementia set back in he's telling everyone that his daughter visited him yesterday with jerry seinfeld on his private jet yeah like no one believed him they thought he was going crazy again so it's a very funny story but she's just talking about how jerry was very generous yeah and nice to her yeah i would imagine i mean look it's always a tough thing. You always got to look. When you hear a bad story about someone, you always got to think, well, where are they at that time?

Like he's probably the busiest he's ever been in his life, the most stressed on him he's ever had in his life. All this stuff. He's got his best, one of his best friends, you know, eventually sues him for $100 million. You get to where you're like, I can't trust anybody. So I'm sure you got to take all that.. You get to where you're like, I can't trust anybody. You know? So I'm sure it's, it's, you got to take all that.

Then there's times where you're like, yeah, but you got to just be nice to people, dude. Like it's kind of what comes with the territory and you got to be like, just be polite, whether you want to do something or not and something gets is inappropriate to ask. I can't imagine it's that inappropriate for Kathy Griffin to ask that. But it's funny that he made an episode about it and brought her back.

So it's like, you know, you make it kind of cool in that way. Yeah. Oh, you know what? Well, now you get a whole. Yes. I think a few more episodes. And people know her from Seinfeld now. Oh, yeah.

Because of that. I don't know if you would have known her the first time. And then the second time, that one, like the storyline was like, oh, this is great. I got to be better at stuff. Because if she did that to me where she trashed me in a special, I'd be like, ah. And I would be like, we're enemies, yada, yada. But he was mature enough to bring her back and spin it. Well, he thinks it's hilarious.

Yeah. And that's what helps. You don't take things personally. And like you're not you're not uh you don't take things personally and so you're not getting offended by something and you just go like oh that's hilarious you know what let's have her back on and then i mean that's that's better than anything you could give her it really is is is that and then you get to make fun of yourself yeah and you know and be like so he's like good in that way yeah but i wonder if deep down she was on that next episode he was like i dare you to do it again you know because it still sticks with you

it's still i bet he if she did it again then he wouldn't do it he would be like all right what do you want me to do like yeah and then you probably just do something you know you could write some crazy stuff yeah Yeah, that's right. Yeah. He has the show, she doesn't. I don't remember the series finale.

Same night, Frank Sinatra had a heart attack, rushed to the hospital where he later died, but some reports say that the streets were clear. It got to the hospital quicker

because everyone was watching the finale. Oh, really? Wow. That's wild. It's a better story for you to survive because yeah but still died but they got him there faster yeah yeah you're welcome they learned he died quicker than they

would have yeah so crazy that i was in a freshman in high school and sinatra died i still remember it it's crazy to think he was producing this show i was in high school in new orleans so different trajectories and then now you know him. And now you know him. It's crazy. Now you're Seinfeld. Insane. Yeah, it's crazy.

Wow. Like, how does it ever get to that? Life is long. Life is long. And then you get, yeah, it's, I mean, at that point, you're not even, it's not even a dream to meet him or become friends with him. Like, there's no way. No way. And then you got to see.

That's what I mean. We were talking a little bit before air. You look at goals, and that's how people got to look at them. You can't just have a goal that seems like you can't be in high school going, I want to be friends with Seinfeld. No, no. That's impossible. Yeah.

And so you got to wait. And then you see when it opens up, you go, oh, I can be friends with the Seinfeld. And then it happens. But you got to wait till the door opens to be like, there, it's happened. And then you kind of go from, like, you know, and that's just an easier way to accomplish things. Yeah, bit by bit. Don't go too far ahead. Just be like, all right, if you can't go don't go too far ahead just be like all right

if you can't go i mean i guess someone could think why look at like how do i become for seinfeld and then i figure out a way to do it that's you could do it that way i guess if you think like that i don't i think like just let me get to this i don't even like my goal is not even to i mean obviously i want to meet seinfeld and i want to do whatever I want to open for you I'll host for you and Norman can middle I'll middle uh and then they uh but so I want to like do that but it's like I don't think I could ever figure out like how to like I would just be like well I need to just do my own thing and then I will hopefully get to myself to a point that he will know who I am and then I will be able to somewhere I will be able to somewhat meet him yeah and so that would be i might be doing he might be doing the stand up for heroes

thing oh john stewart is he on that he is on that i know i don't know he's listed yeah burr is on no maybe he's not on it i thought afghan is yeah it's whoever they posted oh man what's it called stand up for heroes i thought that already happened no no 2021 you missed it oh man uh yes he's on it is this it yeah it's a heck of a line come on how great will this be bruce springsteen's on i'm like whatever no i know right he's not on it oh you're the first name well it's alphabetical order so that works out though you don't i Oh, you're the first name. Well, it's alphabetical order. So that works out, though. I mean, usually you're just not supposed to say that. I mean, Bruce Spitzing and Jon Stewart look like the add-ons.

Yeah, right? Seinfelds and more. Yeah. Yeah, let's hope Seinfelds and more. He might as well pop in. Might as well. Lives right there. Jerry.

Come on. Just pop in. You're there. Say hello. Open mic it. Come on. I'll leave your name on the guest list come on yeah there you go i got a plus one i got a plus one that's gonna he's gonna hang in the

back a lot you know all right laura yeah so all right uh his first choice to play george was jake johansson whoa interesting he's he's underrated. Underrated too. But he's like, they came up, I mean, him and Regan, they came up in that Seinfeld era. Yeah, that 80s clean blazer. I mean, Seinfeld was older than him, but it was, yeah, it was like that. Paul Reiser. Yeah.

Was another one. Paul Reiser had a big sitcom too. Another one. Mad About You. That's right. Great show right Great show Great show The guy who played Elaine's dad

Was supposed to be more Of a recurring character But he intimidated him So much in real life They're like We don't want him back And he supposedly Stole a butcher knife

From the set I heard that There you go Yeah we had a funny guy Like you in Korea Yeah Which maybe the pilot I mean not the pilot episode

But the one where They make the pilot Where the guy steals The kramer oh the raisin raisin maybe that based it off of that yeah interesting yeah maybe they did they that's tough because it's like he was in one episode and like so it's like then just to get canned i know and then you're like and then they hire better yeah like it just it's like that's what show business is like you gotta sometimes be like yeah dude sometimes you know ray romano got fired from a show our news radio is oh that's right joe rogan took the spot that's right and then ray romano became what he did so i mean there's a moment he's there that's too when you're when you're an actor i think the hardest part of being

an actor is you're like yeah i could be sitting there and they're gonna be like no this doesn't work and then they get rid of you and that's tough like we did ours i mean they might get rid of the kids and then like so we had a the girl that played my daughter uh you know it's like they sit there and you're like what if they tell her no like that's where you're like if i was like hey what if i just have my daughter play my daughter and they're like you don't want that because then they might be like hey this ain't working and then you got to go get rid of your you got to fire your daughter yeah and so you're you're like you just can't put that pressure which are the girl that did ours was great and so that wasn't going to come to it but it's just even the idea of thinking that i'd be

like i'd almost quit the show yeah i want to's why I want to, like, adults you get, but like a kid, you're like, hey, I can't do that. That's tough. I was playing his son. Oh, nice. Yeah. Wow. About the son.

I remarried an older woman, and she goes, I have one son. Oh, really? And I go, yeah. And I go, he's older than you. And it was Brian. And he walks in. I go, that's my boy. I try to play catch with him.

He just hits him in the ball, hits him in the face. Slow reflexes. Oh, I mean, Jerry's dad got replaced. He was in one episode. That's right. And then George's dad was in an episode. And then that got redone for syndication. It was different than Jerry Stiller.

Yeah, but I mean, come on. You got to go Stiller. Yeah. He's so good. So you can, what episodes would you see George's? It was the very first one Frank Costanza was in, which is not till like

season four or five or something. And there's one episode of, and that George's parents are not that. Yeah, it's a different guy.

I think it's the guy who played Clark Griswold's dad in Christmas Vacation. Yeah. And they just didn't like the feel of it, so they reshot it in syndication.

On the DVD, you can watch both episodes. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Now that you're going back, you're like, it's got to be Stiller

because he's a tall guy, bald. Yep. It's the handicap spot episode where they trash his car. Yep. Yeah. Does the...

Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah. Oh, that's the episode that they did it? Yeah. Yeah, that's the... I they did yeah yeah that's the uh i mean unbelievable he goes yeah go will you go like he's just like i think that rhythm right

yes yeah they said he had that rhythm because he couldn't remember his line so they were coming to him slowly yeah and it just worked out yeah and he said larry david wanted him to be a low-key guy because estelle was so High strung And it just wasn't Working for him So he's like I'm gonna go the opposite

And just be as crazy as she is And then Larry David's like You gotta keep doing that Yeah I heard Tully had a Silver dollar collection Yeah Yeah

That's true Boca You don't tell me They don't have anything In Boca Exactly It was gold I mean he was unreal dude yeah uh there was one episode they never finished it was called the bet and it was about

how quickly one somebody could buy a handgun huh and it was for the show's second season and he seinfeld said we started making it and stopped in the middle and said this just doesn't work it's just too hard to try to make it funny. Oh, weird because it was about guns, I guess. I guess. It's just a weird thing for them.

I mean, that's like one of those things that's like, that's a funny line. I don't know if you can make an episode about it. Yeah. But it's a very funny thing

to maybe that's one storyline or something. But, you know, you look at it and you're like, that's a very funny thing to be like, hey,

how quick can somebody, it's funny to watch people try to go buy a gun. Yeah. But then you'd like, you're basically, that's a very funny thing. Be like, hey, who can, how quick can somebody, it's funny to watch people try to go buy a gun. Yeah. But then you'd like, you're basically watching everybody do the exact same thing. True. Kramer could have a side thing where he's going to the shooting range and getting addicted. But yeah, you can't do all, Elaine with a gun.

Come on. It would almost be like, it'd be a line that you're like, how quick do you think you can buy a gun? And everybody's like, I think it'd take me five hours, two hours, one hour. And then Kramer just walks in with a gun. And then you're like, all right, well, all right. So he wins, and you go, yeah. Yeah.

And then that's kind of it. That's like the contest kind of format. Yeah. But it does change. Someone has a gun. It's like, that changes the feel of what the show is. Yeah, and it's also such a city show. There are New York City Jewish guys and gals.

They're kind of mean, too. Right. So it's like,'s like you'd be like oh now they have a gun yeah yeah it's too much that's like i didn't like the one with uh crazy joe davola where elaine goes to his apartment it's like the only one where it's kind of scary right that's true just a weird feel for the show death to tyrants yeah that is a weird But he came back in a lot of episodes. It's almost like that was a setup for the rest of the show. Like he came out, he yelled out on the thing. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

And he hits Kramer in the head, he dents the helmet. Yeah. Susan, they didn't like her, the woman who played Susan. Ooh. Yeah. George said the timing was just Not George Jason Alexander

Said the timing Was just never right And he's like Okay she's going this way And then he would try it And then she would change So they couldn't play off Each other well

And then Julia Louis-Dreyfus said It's impossible It's impossible to work with her Wow And Jason Alexander said Or Julia Dreyfus said don't you want to just kill

her and larry said that's it whoa oh cool because she did do good yeah she was fun like it was she was fun it was kind of great like it was she was a different feel yeah it almost was yeah it was almost like a good it was just perfect in that scenario to be like it you don't want another elaine no no you liked her being like kind of a girl out of it a girl girl like and then just being this kind of story yeah but then yeah her dying is oh the invitations i mean unbelievable so good that's a great later ep because when i was watching that i was going through a kind of a breakup with a girl i was trying to get out of the relationship she wouldn't let me so when seeing george start smoking like they got a hold of me yeah all that was amazing

to me you never saw that on a sitcom a guy trying to get out of a relationship yeah it was all just trying to get in them yeah yeah prenup yes yeah oh that's great well that's the which we would talk about my favorite episode, Andrea Doria. When he says, look at breaking up, it's the most important part of a relationship. They're only focused on breaking up. If you don't break up,

that's the most important part of the relationship. Remember that he's watching Mad About You with her and he's miserable and then they cut to Jerry, he's on the couch watching a baseball game and going... Then the gotta then the guy on there goes you gotta love sports he's eating popcorn not even baseball yeah in general you gotta love sports yeah it's so good yeah and he just it's so yeah it's i mean it's perfect dude yeah uh guy lost his job as executive with miller brewing because he was fired for sexual harassment

because he was telling a co-worker, a female co-worker, about the Junior Men episode where Jerry can't remember his girlfriend's name. Oh. Yeah. And she accused him of sexual harassment because he kept telling her the story. He sued her back. All right. Yeah.

That was happening back then. Yeah. Look at that. Mm-hmm. Man. Everybody wants a book. just telling her about the episode I mean who knows what he was saying

I know yeah you gotta go there they go you like dive into it you're like what was happening you're like he didn't have clothes on you're like oh

they should put that in there like they should really say that yeah yeah the betrayal episode the backwards episode it was based off a play

where they did something very similar the guy who wrote it was harold pinter and suel and mishki's fiancee was named pinter there you go oh yeah look at that that's a good one that's a great one yeah yeah he's the lollipops getting bigger yeah yeah kramer's all of it's good kramer's story is really great in that yeah definitely the uh the what was it the double dog Dog Daria or Make-A-Wish? Yeah, I didn't love that episode. Shooting a Star, I think. Shooting a Star.

Pulling eyelashes. I like it because it always fits. When you go back to rewatch it, it feels different. I could see it being like you couldn't watch it a ton, but sometimes it feels nice to go back and like, oh, yeah, this one is different. Yeah, it breaks it up a little. Kramer's is great

the snowball gets bigger and like uh his old thing is you know and they're like he's just doing that and they get there and he pulls out an eyelash that guy does it and then he throws change in he's got that little chain thing on he's like just taking it out and goes i can do this all day he's got one of my favorite lines he goes he, he gave me the eye. Stink eye? Evil eye? Crooked eye or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So funny. Jerry said his least favorite episode was the alternate side. When Jerry's car's stolen, George blocks traffic during a Woody Allen film,

and Kramer says, these pretzels are making me thirsty. Oh, I see. I didn't love that one. That's his least favorite. Oh, his least favorite. Okay. Yeah, the pretzel's making me thirsty, though. That's what's crazy.

Even in his least favorite, it's one of favorite. Okay. Yeah, the pretzel's making me thirsty, though. That's what's crazy. Even in his least favorite, it's one of the better lines. Yeah, that one's stuck. These pretzels are making me thirsty. Yeah. Like them yelling. Like, that sticks with you. Oh, yeah, for sure. Some of them is like, yeah, it's a funny idea, and it's like, maybe it doesn't play out as much, but it's a funny.

The whole idea is great. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. You said your favorite, Andrea Doria? Yeah. Do we have episodes? I thought we talked maybe at the end our favorites.

Okay, I'll save it. But Jerry's favorite show moment, not episode, but moment was when George pulled the golf ball out. Oh, yeah. I want to talk about that episode later. But that whole speech amazing yeah amazing they said they wrote that you know at two in the morning just him and larry yeah one take one take yeah yeah uh festivus that was a real thing one of the one of the writers dad

celebrated that um you have a clock in a bag just weird stuff like that they didn't know why but that was a real thing that's where like i know raymond had a lot of stuff like that they didn't know why but that was a real thing that's where like i know raymond had a lot of stuff like that where you're like that really happened and so like that's why this stuff works is like when you write a show and i think that's what hurts shows is they write these shows and they don't take anything from the writers lives so all like if you're a writer on that show and you're like i like this episode you're like yeah that's my life yeah like uh office when he walks into the water pond on video, like, you remember the one where they show it on the mall? The Koi pond?

No, no. Yeah. Not the one where Jim falls. But, like, because he falls into another one. But the one in the office where Michael Scott walks, he's in the mall, and he's not paying attention. He walks right into the fountain. The fountain. Yeah.

And I believe so. Okay. And then there's a video of that. And Halstead Sullivan, who I know, he wrote that episode. And then that happened to one of his friends. Oh, there you go. And so they put it in that. And it's like, so everything's kind of got that kind of real feel to it.

Yeah. Gotta have it. About a year after the show ended, there was work on a spinoff called The Jackie Child Show. Wow. Yeah. He was hilarious. Yeah. He was hilarious.

But that's funny that it's like they go, no Kramer spinoff. No, you think, let's do Jackie Child. I mean, maybe they're thinking like, well, there's the least about him. That's a big, big problem, man. Spinoffs. I mean, how many have worked? Frasier. Frasier. That's it. That's a big, big problem, man. Spinoffs, I mean, how many have worked? Frasier. Frasier.

That's it. That's maybe it. I mean, Norton Lear had a bunch of spinoffs. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. But I mean, there was five channels on television. That's true. Well, I mean, I remember not long after it ended,

Michael Richards had a show. Yeah. I think it was in a court or something. I think it was like an undercover detective or something. Yeah, something like that. And it just went nowhere. They all did. Yeah.

They all got shit. You know what? Julia Stratford said she had an amazing Christine. That show was good. It lasted a long time. It was like six years or so. And then she's on Veep. I mean, she's clearly the best actor.

Yeah, yeah. Stand out. It's not even close. She's a beast. She kills it on curb. She can do whatever she wants. Yeah. Kills it on curb, veep.

She can do. She's unreal. Oh, yeah. I think she came from a wealthy family, too. I always heard that. Like a billionaire. Billionaire, yeah. Oil tycoon.

Married Brad Hall at like age 20, and they're still together. But she's like someone that you're like, so if even she came from that, you're like, she's got all this on her own. Yeah. Sometimes you always think that, and you're like, oh, they got that because they're blah, blah, blah, whatever. You're like, no, no, she's one of the better actors. Right.

Definitely. Comedic actresses. Yeah, I mean, not even close. Yeah. I mentioned the bisque. Yeah. Newman does not bisque. Yeah. Newman does not have a first name. It's common speculation that his first name was Norman

because of the Bottle Deposit episode where the farmer's daughter shouts, goodbye, Norman. But that was an actress' mistake. She mistook Newman for Norman, and they liked it so much that they kept it in. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting she wouldn't know Newman's name. Yeah.

Actress on the show. Well, you got to think, in that time, think about like, I mean, that show's so big. Say you're an actress, right? And that's towards the end. So you got to know this show's the hottest show on television. Yeah. But if you're that actress and you're playing,

like you're just not watching TV. Yeah. And you're, you know, like I'm trying to think, what's the biggest show now? Squid Game. Squid Game. I know, Squid Game. to think what's the biggest show now like uh squid game i know squid game but like what's like uh yeah i don't even know what is a big show i don't even know oh ted lasso oh yeah there you go ted lasso right it's a big show or modern family like uh when that was on and someone like you got on you're like you don't know these characters and

you're like no i don't i just have never watched this show. And so for that moment, I mean, I would think that that's- I'm surprised you think that, because I would think the opposite. You're on the biggest show in the world. You're playing opposite him. You would know his name. I mean, that's an actress that her world is like, I don't know if she has time to watch TV. I guess I just think of her as a, this is the biggest role of her life.

Yeah. But she could have messed up just like why when she said it she's like i'm so sorry i know what's yeah and they're like no no you know what we like norman i think that is probably more of what happened but i mean you're going to get how many people that are on that show you're going to get the people that are like yeah i don't know what this show is there's i mean i think about with musicians there's musicians uh that you see out now i'll see them on like fallon and then I'll like look at who they are. They have 60 million followers.

I'm like, I didn't know this person was born. Yes, exactly. And they're selling out of REIT. So it's kind of, you go back, you're like, you didn't know they were the biggest band touring. And you're like, I just wasn't paying attention. I didn't know.

That's what I think. I have that all the time. You walk by these theaters in New York, it seats 5,000 people some k-pop and the biggest thing on the planet i never heard of them yeah yeah sarah silverman said in her episode with michael richards what is it she says it was probably just the wind yeah and she said it's probably just the rain and he jumped all over her about it and said do you see rain out there is the rain you know it got all over about it and said, do you see rain out there? Is there rain? You know, gawl over about her. And then the next day they were going over their lines and she said she conferred him about it and like, don't act like nothing happened.

You know, and then she said they became good friends after that. Who? Her and? And Michael Richards. Oh, yeah. I don't know if good friends, but that kind of broke the ice. Well, you know, talking about Elaine too, he is another one that's like a comedic actor that's, he's so amazing that's a comedic actor.

He's so amazing. They're all actually great actors. I'm not trying to say – Julia Louis-Dreyfus was able – Jason Alexander's done some other stuff. He's a great actor. He's a great actor. He is a great actor. They're obviously all amazing actors, but Julia Louis-Dreyfus just seemed like she's spread out

and really shed her character. Every time you see Jason Alexander, you're still just thinking that. amazing actresses, but Julia Louis-Strauss just seemed like she's spread out and, like, really shed her character. Yeah. Every time you see Jason Alexander, you're still just thinking that. But he was great in that one, he had a tale. Oh,

Shallow Hal. Shallow Hal. He was great in that. That was a pretty fun movie. And, like, he was great in that. And I didn't really think of

him being George there. And then Michael Richards, I don't, but I mean, his early stuff being, he was just his early fridays yeah friday oh yeah yeah uh so he was unreal in that you're watching old clips of that oh he's playing like a weight lifter and stuff on leno i mean it's unreal like he's so he's uh was he smoking or something yes yeah he's like a workout instructor yeah he's someone that would be great now and he should do videos on instagram like that are kind of fake health

videos like he would be he would crush it on that because he's so that's what he's so good at and so now you can just sit in a studio and be like that's true let's just shoot a hundred of these and you just be funny and And he would be better than everybody. Yeah, he's a physical acting phenom. Yeah. Comedic acting physically is incredible. Yeah. Jerry's address was 129 West 81st Street.

That's not a real address, but it would be across from, it's near Central Park, across from the Museum of Natural History. And did you guys see, it was buzzing a few months ago about how his hermit layout could not really be like that. Did you see that? I did see that, yeah. The way his kitchen goes, it would be like out in the hallway if it was real. Yeah. That was like a meme or something that was.

That's when people get too involved. You're like, all right, it's a comedy show.'re working on the the diet you know i never thought about that that's a real new york thing to think about yeah no one why because they don't think it could be big enough i think the layout the architectural layout it would be like the way his kitchen is it would it would be way out in the hall like yeah it wouldn't make sense that the hall would be straight like that i mean i can I can pull it up. Yeah. I don't even know. I mean, you look at Kramer's and he opens the door and he's like up against a wall.

Yeah, that's right. And so you're like, that one, you're like, well, that's not, no one's house does that, I think. Yeah. But I never like really cared. No, no, it's about the jokes. Yeah. It's, just click one of those links.

Like, yeah, it's, yeah, it would be, that's true. It would be in the hallway if the door is right there.

Yeah. But why couldn't they have it built out like that? Somewhere I thought there was an image that showed, like what it really was. this is when a show is popular when you're doing a diorama.

Yeah, you're trying to find something wrong with the show. Yeah, it is right there. Jerry's hallway can't exist. Oh, okay. Those green lines would be the kitchen, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I see that. Because otherwise, the hall wouldn't be straight.

Yeah, but this is like those psychos who go, they got the origin story wrong for Hawkeye. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's a movie. Yeah. It's all made up.

I mean, so his kitchen could exist. There's a little, there's a quarter of it that couldn't exist. Yeah. But it's a television show, and we've got to make a show. There you go. And so you've got to have some exaggeration. Did you see our Netflix now? It's shot in 16 by nine?

I did. So stuff that's cut off. Stuff's cut out. Are they going to get that fixed? I don't think so. Really? I think it was like that on Hulu. That's crazy.

That's what I read. And they just, I mean, I watched some last night and yeah, like the pothole episode, I think it shows it cut out. I didn't really notice it just watching some episodes. I don't know if I would have noticed it either but you just think like this has got to be the last big pro i would imagine last hurrah of selling this show i don't know where what you're going to do next uh i mean they're just older i mean maybe it gets sold again you never know but it's like to me it feels very much like netflix is the home yep he has a great relationship with netflix it's

like i'm done he gets one last big payment and he gets to be like i'm not i don't want to talk about this show ever again is there more of a genius guy in comedy to sell he sold so much old stuff again yeah and just re-upped it and made a new paycheck. Hulu, the first was syndication, then Hulu, then whatever, now Netflix. Paycheck, paycheck, paycheck. Yeah, I don't think there is. I mean, his career is what you wanted. Yeah. You wanted his career to be like a show about him.

And I always looked at it. You want to tour? I want to do a show about him and about myself and play myself. And then, you know, and then after that, just to like, he played,

did B movie. I thought B movie was great. Yeah. Like he did comedian, that documentary, that changed my life. Like that's why I moved to New York. Uh,

I moved to New York. I mean, months after I saw that. Yeah. I watched it in Chicago at a movie theater alone. Whoa. And I went during the day. Yeah.

And obviously, it's not like a big, crazy movie. Most people didn't even know probably what it was. And I remember I went maybe with a couple people from my restaurant, and I watched it. I have it on DVD. I watched it so much, I could recite lines from it. And then it was a big, big reason. I mean, I knew then I got to go to New York. And so then I was starting to figure out, all right, I got to go to New York. That's where I got to be. And it's

because of that. I don't know if I would have known to go to New York. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking, but watching that, you're like, yeah, that's what I got to go do. And so that DVD affected my life and career. I mean, I'm where I'm at because I watched that and had to go to New York. And then that's how you, I think, become a great comic is being around New York comics. I agree. And first of all, Orny Adams in that movie, I was like, I'd kill to be there. Yeah. He was complaining the whole time. I was like,

you're passing every club. Yeah. That's the best. That's all I wanted in this business. And then two, oh, sorry, two,

seeing Seinfeld bomb. Yeah. Was insane. Because he was such a, you know, legend already. Yeah. It was,

that was, I don't know if he's had a mistake in his career i mean people say the marriage ref yeah the time but i almost think the marriage ref could have worked and it just didn't work at the time yeah tom pop is great yeah tom they had madonna larry david like on i think it could have i think it was almost maybe a little ahead of its time as far as like an idea for a show yeah uh trump did one oh he did oh really he was on that show yeah so yeah yeah uh i saw something i was on the die hard 2 and someone uh this woman's on the phone i'm going through diehards now i don't think i've watched any of them yeah like lance arm i'm the I'm the Lance Armstrong. But I was just, I was not allowed to watch any of these movies.

Oh, I didn't know that. So I'm catching back up. I mean, he just grew up. I mean, we were, you know, Baptist, Christian parents. Like it was, my parents became Christian when I was born. Like, so I was like,

I just wasn't allowed to watch a lot of stuff, which is fine. I don't have no, I don't have a bad upbringing because I had a great upbringing, but I just wasn't. So I missed, so everybody's like,

how do you not see that movie? I was like, this is right in the prime of me not allowed to watch anything. Sure. So I would have never seen it. And then I just got out of, whenever I could,

I just kind of started there and moved forward. I also don't remember movies, so there's part of that. But, and Dyer, she goes, one part she goes,

he goes, you got to do this. Move something. Like, we got to do this. Move something. Like, we got to take all the calls because they can't use their phones in Die Hard 3, I think. And the police can't use their radars. So, like, every cop has to now call to the boards, like the 911 boards. And then she's like, well, how am I going to handle all these calls? And he goes, we got to do all these calls or something.

She goes, oh, yeah, and I'm going to marry Donald Trump. That was the line to be like, oh, yeah, you know what? This is as easy as me marrying Donald Trump. Wow. It's funny to see that now. But at that time, it was like, yeah, I mean, he was Donald Trump. He was a famous millionaire. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, that's crazy. Steinbrenner played himself On an episode But he was so bad That they cut it out It was Larry David right Which was so funny

Yeah I mean It wasn't going to be The first episode But long after that character Was already going They said It'd be funny to have Steinbrenner play himself

And I think it was when George was about to get married And Elaine was Going alone to the wedding And he wants to go with Elaine He's like Only losers sit at the losers table I'm a winner

Yeah But it was so You can see it in the DVD extra I think But it was so bad That they cut it out And Larry David had to tell George Steinbrenner

That would cut you out of it That's wild He said he was cool about it Yeah Alright I mean I guess Steinbrenner loved That they did that

Yeah I think so i think uh the jay buehner stuff you thought that was very funny all that i mean that's one of the best yeah jay buehner y'all trade is that the way he traded for yeah i mean how good of an episode is that where george is dead right and the first thing he says how could you trade jay buehner he had an amazing arm because I know but people like Kent what's his name I forgot already off George yeah yeah George is gone yeah his father his son is dad and the first thing goes how could you trade Jay Buhner in a rocket of an arm I don't know what you are

doing he goes he goes I know Jay Buhner was great that's a great F that's one of my favorite lines he leaves a message he goes Jerry this is Frank George's dad call me back call me back

George's dad Steinbrenner's here call me back and then Jerry goes this is a great Kramer line he goes you want to come to Yankee Stadium and help me pull these flyers off George's

oh yeah you could have said just about anything there yeah we've done that he'll ask me to go do something just ridiculous

and I'm all up for it yeah he'll say I could have said pretty much anything Lane wasn't in the pilot of course the waitress was going to in the pilot, of course.

The waitress was going to be the female kind of, not lead, but, and then after the pilot, they're like, we need more of a female character than just the waitress. Yeah,

they nailed it. They did. George wasn't in the pin episode. That's right. And he thought he was being written out and told Larry David,

if you're going to do it, just do it all together. Oh, wow. That's bold. And they were like, if you're going to do it, just do it all together. Oh, wow. That's bold. And they were like, no. Yeah, they were like, just chill out. Yeah. But he was a Broadway actor, and he felt like that time Seinfeld wasn't huge.

And he was like, it could be canceled any day now anyway. Yeah. Yeah, at the beginning, it just, I mean, it never would have lasted now. No, God. And that's why TV doesn't work. Yes. Because they don't let something get an audience. Yeah, it had to find its footing. Yeah. And it did. And it did, and it's their that's why tv doesn't work yes because they don't let something get an audience yeah it had to find its footing yeah and it did and it did and it's the greatest show

and that's all the old shows did that yep let people figure it out and then everybody loves it but you i mean you got to hire the right people there's a lot of stuff that is kind of luck you got to you know this everybody's got to work out. You got to let these shows try. Yeah. And they don't. They go, that's not working. We do three episodes and we're done. And you're like, nothing can be, Modern Family was probably pretty quick.

Yeah. It was out the gate. It was like, this one's a monster. Killer show. But, yeah, now they don't give them a chance. It's like a stand-up set. You got to work it out. You got to give it a few years.

Yeah. But not anymore. The theme music set. You got to work it out. You got to give it a few years. Yeah. But not anymore. The theme music for Seinfeld is different every time. Like in the opening, when he's telling the jokes on stage. Oh, really? Yeah. I never knew that until recently, but the guy said he would listen to the monologue and put that in kind of with the beats of the joke.

Yeah. Interesting. It's great music. It's not words. It's just the sounds, is perfect perfect and you know it a mile away like oh that's coming out here in the other room yeah yeah do you want to get into our favorites yeah now i watched the uh i was vulture just put out because it's on netflix they're they ranked every episode yeah least favorites the pu Puerto Rican Day Parade.

I re-watched it last night. You like it, right? There's something in it that I don't mind. It's one that, like, the Puerto Rican Day Parade one was one that I think I watched where you're like, did I ever see this one? Yeah, that was banned. It was, yeah. Yeah.

And then, and so then I watched it. I don't mind. What was in it that was, I know it's the green Saab, right? Penny Packer. Penny Packer. Mr. Penny Packer. Trying to use the bathroom. That's very funny.

George has got the light. He's got the maroon. The laser pointer, maroon Saab. Yeah. And then – no, it's the maroon something. And I think Jerry's got the – Oh, yeah. Jerry's got the black Saab and maroon – I forgot.

Golf. Maroon Golf. Maroon golf. Maroon golf. Yeah. And then so, but the laser thing's very funny. Like he does, isn't that where he gets the, that's not where he has the line of like to walk out? Yes.

Yeah. That's got to hurt. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he goes back and does it again. Right. About the Hindenburg. Yeah.

Yes. The blimp. Yeah. Very funny. Very funny. Very funny. That's a very funny story. George Costanza was, you know, characters, I think he's my favorite. Oh, me too.

Me too. Sure. And he wasn't at the beginning. No. He was a big Kramer guy. Yeah, everybody was. You know, but I, it makes me, which you want to talk about, well, the thing they talk about is like, you know, people don't like when the show and larry david left but i feel like people just trash seinfeld

like he's didn't create it with larry david i get larry david created the show but larry david does not have jerry i don't think that show makes it jerry's i mean jerry did the right thing he got all these great actors around him he never tried to to do too much. Yeah. He just said, I was kind of here just to kind of move y'all. That's what made the show. That's a hard thing to do. Oh, yeah. Jerry's ego could have came in and said, no, I want to be the star, even though his name's on it.

But he could be like, people like y'all more than they do me. And I want the other way. And the show would have went down. Yes. And he kept his ego out of it. That's that, you know how hard that is. I mean, George has an ego. Jason Alexander.

In fact, that he goes, am I going to be ridden out these people are always super worried and jerry and jerry just knew like it ain't about who's who it's a great point it's like it's me so people just act like well once larry david left it's not larry david's the reason jerry's seinfeld's good you're like you're out of your mind they couldn't have done this i mean look at curb yeah curb's unreal but what makes Seinfeld special is he made him do it clean yeah so then they had to do it where they chose all this other stuff and choose all the contests and all these kind of other things where they talked about all this kind of crazy stuff but did it in a different way and that was the appeal of the show and uh

you know like it's almost like Larry's edginess needed Seinfeld's kind of cleanness. Yeah. And be like, we can create something amazing if we can meet in the middle. Yes. And that's what they did. And something was amazing. And Curb Your Enthusiasm, so Seinfeld's the greatest show ever. Everybody watches it.

And he does Curb. Everybody loves it. But a lot of people don't watch it like they did Seinfeld because they're like, I don't like that kind of stuff. Well, you got to have both you've got to have both. You've got to have both. Curb is an amazing show. Curb will never be what Seinfeld is. No, no.

Never in a million years. So they both created that. I don't understand how you like – I get the importance. I'm not trying to downplay the importance of Larry David. I think Larry David's unreal. And, I mean, a guy that I would love to meet, I want to golf with, Larry David. If for some reason you ever watch this. Big golfer, love to, I mean, I would just love to talk comedy.

Yeah. I'm a stand-up comedian. But you can, like with Jerry, it's like they just dismiss like he's just nothing. It's true. And people want to, and you're like, are you crazy, dude? And so getting into once Larry leaves and then it's true and people want to and you're like are you crazy dude and so getting into once larry leaves and then it's eight nine go through eight nine dude it's pretty great there's a lot of gold there's a lot of crazy episodes uh season eight is andrea doria yeah i believe my favorite episode that's season eight yeah larry's gone true look at nine didn't

larry come back for some of nine? A little bit of nine, yeah. Towards the end of the night. I didn't mind the last episode. I didn't mind it either. Yeah. I think it was a great idea to get everybody back in. Everybody's like, well, everybody didn't kind of like it. And you go back to watch it. You're like, it's actually a pretty great episode.

And they're so brilliant. And this is back kind of where Larry comes in, but I'm sure he comes in with Jerry on this. They did a reunion show on Caribbean Enthusiasts. Oh, that's killer. I'm sure he comes in with Jerry on this. They did a reunion show on Curb Your Enthusiasm. Oh, that's killer. The brilliance of that to not be, to not, to do a reunion show that's not a reunion show.

You do that Friends reunion show. I didn't watch it, but that's like an interview of them talking. I don't care. My wife watched it. But that Curb where they bring Seinfeld back, they just do the show again. Yeah. Brilliant. Amazing. That's like Bob Newhart's, like when he wakes up in that second and he goes, where they bring Seinfeld back, they just do the show again. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah, amazing. That's like Bob Newhart's, like, when he wakes up in that second

and he goes, oh, it was all a dream. Like, and he's back to the old first one. That's how good of an idea that is to do that. And that's, look, it might be Larry. I don't know. It's got to be both probably kind of came up with, you know, talked about that. So them together is the best option you can have.

Yeah, of course. And them separate, you know, and Larry was like someone that wanted to quit all the time. And like, you know, the headache of dealing with that, we're like,

Jerry's got a star in this show. They got to write this show. And then the main guy he's created with is just always threatening to quit. Yeah. Which you need that guy that has that. Cause they got a lot of stuff through because of that. But that's a lot of stuff you throw on Jerry. Yeah.

And then the show's the biggest show on earth, and you quit. You do two more seasons, and the other creator quits. That's a great point. I mean, and that show just kept just most watched episode, the final episode. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they didn't dip. No.

Look at The Office. The Office crashes. Ooh, yeah. you know what I mean? Like, they didn't dip. No. Look at The Office. The Office crashes. Ooh, yeah. Crashes. Drops off a cliff. I mean, like, because Michael Scott leaves. But Seinfeld, they didn't crash. Yeah.

They just kept going. Episode eight is- Season eight? Yeah, season eight. Season eight was- Seinfeld's gone. But, I mean, you look at it, like, the foundation. How good is that?

I mean, that's where she dies on Seven and they come back out with the foundation. The soulmate, Bizarro Jerry. The Little Kicks episode's an amazing episode. Oh, that was a hit. The package. The fatigues was where they were trying to get him to cook. Yeah.

The chicks. Oh, the chicken roaster. The chicken roaster is season eight. Andrea Doria, my favorite episode. Yeah. Because it's the one where I feel like it's the most flawless of everybody's stories. I need to probably go back through and maybe rethink that. But that's the one, the Van Buren boys.

Oh, yeah. The comeback, where he goes, that's what I should have said. Right. The Jerk Store. The Jerk Store called. Yes. The Susie, the pothole. The English patient was like, I didn't care about yada, yada, yada.

Wow. I mean, the Millennium, the Muffin Tops, the pothole, the English patient was like, I didn't care about yada, yada, yada. Wow. I mean, the millennium, the muffin tops, the summer of George. Yeah. I mean, it's unreal, dude. Yeah, it's still great. You don't realize how great it, people kind of just go, nah, they're not good. You're like, they're unreal. They're great.

Look at the bottom of nine, like the start of nine, because he didn't start at the beginning. Then you got the butter shade. Oh, yeah. The voice. A lot of people love the voice. Hello. Hello. I was never a big fan of that, yeah. The Voice. A lot of people love The Voice. Hello. Hello. I was never a big fan of That Voice,

but it's like the idea of that show. I like that whole show. Yeah. The Blood. The Blood's a great show. Like, he puts blood in his car. Oh, yeah. And he goes, and they're hiding blood,

and Jerry's like, is it in here? Is it in? Yeah, yeah. The Junk Mail. The Murph Griffin Show. Murph Griffin. That's a camera. Come on.

That's one of my favorites of all time. Where are the cameras time where are the cameras where are the cameras yeah yeah you say that all the Murph Griffin episode is unbelievable

amazing they have the slicer oh yeah a great line in the slicer where they're sitting there

he's going to put that to just they slice the food for the cat and he needs to get in the house to do the electricity. That scene is so good. Oh, so good.

And Kramer's like, why don't you do it? She goes, no, you just do it. He goes, I know, but you're. And he goes, all right. And he goes, just the way he shots. He goes, oh, you all right? He goes, yeah. The strike, the dealership, the reverse people.

Reverse people is great. The dealership, grease monkey. I don't care for that term. Twix. Yeah term yeah yeah yeah uh strongbox wizard the burning the bookstore the frogger the frogger frogger and so you go just go kind of to the end and let's see if they uh that's it yeah so larry david did he come back in just for the final he did i think he did yeah so that whole thing the clip show is like obviously just whatever the porter can Rican Day Parade, they all wrote. I don't think it's bad. It's like-

It's a lot of cooks in the kitchen on that one. Yeah, a lot of people in on it. But I mean, they're at the end. Yeah. The Frogger is a great episode. Oh, yeah. These are great episodes, man. I argue that these are some of the most lines said are from this.

Yada, yada, all that stuff. All that stuff. The most famous lines are from eight and nine. And so people just act like Seinfeld's a joke. Yeah. And like, you know, like, ah, he was pointless to the show. I completely agree. You make a good point.

And I appreciate that you got Jerry's back. The only thing I'll say about these episodes that takes me out of it is sometimes the characters, it doesn't live up to their true care like one point there's one episode where kramer gets lost yeah and his whole thing is that he's like a new york guy he drove the the fire truck he knows every every street you know but uh he's like why would kramer get lost so stuff like that where you're like how do you know these characters or not yeah and that would take me out of it but there's great comedy in all these episodes that's first and first yes i mean yeah how could two

streets intersect each other it's like the nexus of the universe next to the universe yeah i mean that line is it's great it's so great and like that he sells that line yeah i mean but you look at like what episode was that when when he's calling down to the uh he's dating a girl yes yeah in like battery park or something and he's like calling he. Yes. Yeah. In like Battery Park or something. And he's like, he goes, you know what? Same time,

you know, it's the same time there as it is here. I mean, that's kind of his character. That's true. You know, and so he goes down there and it's just,

but I think the joke of it is he doesn't know the streets, but he knows that fire department that's just in the west side. You wouldn't call that fire department for the Battery Park. I see. You't call that fire department for the battery park. I see.

You'd call one of their fire departments. Right. So he knows West side where they're at. And then the joke of it is like, well, nobody, you know, but he thinks battery,

battery park down all the way down by wall street is a different area. Yeah. And then if you're in New York, it kind of, there's times people are like, they could be like, I ain't been down past 14th street in two years. Exactly.

Like they don't know what's down there. Right. Like, cause it's like, you ain't been down past 14th Street in two years. Exactly. Like, they don't know what's down there. Right. Because it's like, you don't end up going down there. It's very New York. But, yeah, The Wizard's great. Yeah, I don't love season nine as much as you do. Some of those, I feel like some of the storylines were getting a little more far-fetched. Like the cough with the dog, Smuckers.

That's Andrea Doria, though. Is it? Yeah. Whoa! and so if the line was maybe one of my favorite there's a few favorite lines but when he goes why don't you go to a doctor he goes i'll take a see you go to a vet over a doctor he goes i'll take a vet over a doctor any day they gotta cure a chicken a dog a turtle a frog all in the same day yeah and he makes a point there you're like yeah i mean i guess they are versatile like that's true that's a very nate joke yes yeah and so like

that line yeah is unbelievable i get like his cough and like i can see how i don't take it as serious so i just it's a and i just think about that line and the idea and jerry hold i just watched it jerry holds the keys yeah he goes come on you'll go for a run you'll go for it and he's in the back he goes this ain't where and he's coughing he loses his shoe he runs off oh yeah he got big head yeah they call lane big head so they go she's at the old mill restaurant and he's and they he's walking by his coffin and the lady runs out hey you need some help there's some big-headed woman that's trying to stab this guy. So he goes to the cop. He starts coughing and telling him like he's a dog.

He goes, I know what he's saying. Yeah, that's pretty great. Because there's a fight at the old mill. Good boy, good boy. I'll follow you. So that's Kramer's storyline. Elaine's storyline is going, she called him big-headed, and she goes, one of the nicest things anybody ever said to me.

He's a bad breaker-upper. That's one of the best parts of a relationship is if someone can't break up why would i want to be in it right that kind of stuff and then that guy just keeps doing he goes great with your bump in your nose and then it starts you know never seen a bird hit a woman's head right like that's all that and then uh george kills a cost Huh? That's the Andrea Doria. That's Andrea Doria. Yeah. That's George's maybe greatest thing ever. Where that guy, he gets in there and the stories of Costanza.

And he goes, I mean, another one that's my favorite is you look at that, the vet, a dog, that line. And then the other one with George, where he goes in and he goes, the guy survived Andrea Doria. And he goes, oh, I remember that. There's some fire. She goes, shipwreck. He goes, I remember.

And then he walks out. And then Kramer has a book, The Astonishing Tales of the Seas. Yes, yes. And he goes, 51 people died. He goes, what? He goes, how many people died on a normal cruise? 30, 40? Which is my favorite line.

That's a great joke. It's so funny to think that every cruise that goes out, 30 to 40 people die on it. And people are just going on cruises. And you're just like, I'm dying on a normal cruise. 30, 40. Brilliant. He goes, I got astonishing bear attacks. So he goes and takes it and watches that.

And he goes, it took a long time. Then he goes, when he walks up, that old man's moving in the boat. And he goes, ahoy, mate. And he goes, I'm going to take that. and he does this whole story as everybody's crying yeah he's hitting the wall when the guy's talking he walks out and goes oh by the way uh where my fiance uh died from uh envelopes that i bought that poison thing he goes all right thank you good night and walks out and they're like you know and he goes ah it's my thing i love what she's trying to show him the place he's like check out these parquet floors yeah try to guard me oh yeah that's a great joke and jumps at her that's why andrea doria just has all those lines yeah the one that's uh that everybody talks about the that

is the one probably the best speeches of like uh the sea was angry that day, my friends. So if you watch that whole episode, it's not good. George's is good. Again, George's is great. He's a marine biologist. Jerry lied about that. And he's like, I don't know how to be a marine biologist. He's like, architect. And so he has to act.

He's like, what's those islands? Galapagos. Galapagos Islands. He goes, yeah, turtle. He goes, mainly turtle stuff. And then Jerryapagos uh islands he goes yeah turtle he goes mainly turtle stuff yeah you know and then jerry has that great line where he goes you know he's like working on like wells cholesterol it's like you know they're the biggest mammals in the world but they don't have to be they don't have to be like george says they don't have to be which is so it's so good and then he

goes on there there's a well on the thing and somebody goes in by a marine biologist no one's ever yelled for a marine biologist ever in the history of life of course and he goes on there there's a well on the thing and someone goes in by a marine biologist no one's ever yelled yeah for a marine biologist ever in the history of life of course and he goes in there who's your man marine boss and shows him walking out yeah and he goes back to that story kramer in the ball kramer's part is pretty good yeah uh but jerry's is like the t-shirt the old golden boys yeah it's like not it's like whatever but that speech so people think that because they say that speech and you're like go look at it so we're looking at like pound for pound the whole episode right and so that's where i think andrew dory is like everybody's storyline is pretty amazing yeah uh and so like that one is like a big one for me but i mean festivus is

actually festivus is killer the strike is up there the strike i mean when he jams his coat in the, when he goes to sign back up for work and he goes, what did everybody do? He goes, I think everyone got other jobs. He goes, kind of like, what were you going to do this for? Oh, that one's a mess. What do you got in there? Crackers? Yeah, crackers.

That's great. No, that's the one when he gets a real job, which is another one that's great. Yeah. Where he goes, what's in there? Crackers. He gets working hard and he's like, we're not hanging out anymore. Right, right. And the guy, they fire him and he goes, look, I don't even work here.

And the guy goes, yeah, that's what makes this so hard. What a joke. Like, it's, they all know, and it's like he's in there just like hustling, trying to get on the subway. Yes, yes. He's telling jokes. He goes, he's got me bumping my, busting my hump over there. He goes, and Jerry makes that chicken dinner.

Yeah. Which is what, he goes, do you make this? He goes, ordered in, still effort. And then, you know, he goes, we don't hang out anymore. He's got an ulcer. Like it's that line. That's unbelievable. So good.

That one. But the strike was when he comes in to work back in that bagel place. Oh, no bagel, no bagel. And he goes there and he puts his jacket in where they keep the bagels, his winter coat, he doesn't put it on a hook. He opens, slides open where they keep the bagels and jams in the corner. So if you go buy bagels, you're like, I'll get that. What's that? You're like, that's that guy's coat that he just, that's where he keeps it. Right, right. Another great line from that one is Elaine comes in and she gets all messed up from the steam and he goes yamaha it's fright night yeah it's fright night

they all come together yeah at the that's where she makes the bet right on the horses then they bring them over the different lighting and then uh they bring them all over and you know the two face the two face yeah like they all go toes. We get a lot of phone calls about you. Yeah. And then they're there and like, what are you doing here? And Kramer's like, it's a Festivus miracle. And then he sits there and brings maybe my favorite not main character, George's boss. Oh, Mr. Kruger.

Mr. Kruger. I mean, unreal. I think that guy just died. Really? I think he died in a weird way like a suicide yeah they found him like in the forest yeah whoa he went to walk on his own or something kind of crazy and but he uh like he's probably my favorite off character like that's not a main one just unreal like you know it's like yeah he's great because i'm not too worried about it yeah like when he goes they go but no one's he wouldn't do anything he's eating don't he's out there

eating yeah him and george right right you know we got to do this stuff i'm not too worried about it yeah he goes the human fun he gives that to the human fun right and that's the fat and human fun is festivus and uh no the photo one's a great one that's a great one he comes in that's the slicer that's the slicer right so that's because you have the mole the mole how good is the slicer that's great slicer episode's unbelievable amazing it's got that as a character they bring him in exactly where he's george is trying to get out of that yes at the end because you lost a lot of hair yeah i'm aware yeah i'm aware you see that no one like that's what's so great about seinfeld no one gets mad like

the guy just the guy could just flip out like why'd you break my office and all this stuff they don't have the character to do that the character just goes huh

you lost like he's fine that George tried to do this and he just goes you lost a lot of hair I'm aware and then that's the end that's it

George is the one that's the most mad exactly like it's the fact that no one's getting mad with them that's true that's what drives them crazy and it makes George more of a no one's getting mad with him. That's true, yeah. That's what drives them crazy. And it makes George more of a loser.

He's more of a lunatic loser yelling at all these people. Yes. And so, Fleiss is a great one. Mark, tell me, what's your favorite? Well, I think the best episode might be the opposite, George. Yeah. The race. Yes.

To me, as a full episode to me it's flawless you know with the whole thing with the back and what is what is that canvas yeah i made the guggenheim really it didn't take that long either all that is amazing what do you do in the nightclub a lot of you ever notice yeah it seems like a lot of guys are doing that these days boy you lost a lot of hair there yeah yeah piece of a thick yeah full i mean it's just so good well i made my first million when he says he made the guggenheim and he goes it didn't take that long mean, it's just so good. Well, when I made my first million, when he says he made the Guggenheim, he goes, it didn't take that long either. It didn't take that long either.

It's so ridiculous that someone built a building and that they would say, how was that? He goes, it didn't take that long. Would an architect ever say that? Of course not. Would they ever go, I'll be honest with you, one of the easier things to do. That's amazing. Choose not to run. Kramer becomes do. Yeah. Like, it's such, yeah, that's amazing.

Choose not to run. Kramer becomes a communist. I mean, there's so much good stuff in that one. That's a good one. To me, that's a flawless, but my favorite episode, for some reason, this episode just hits me, is the dinner party. Yeah. It's written by Larry David, but the whole show is just stand-up. You know, he's like, what kind of cake you want to buy?

Black Forest? Ooh, scary. How about carrot cake? You don't make carrots into a cake. I'm sorry. He's just doing bits. Yeah. stand up you know he's like uh what kind of cake you want to buy black forest oh scary how about carrot cake you don't make carrots a new cake i'm sorry he's just doing bits yeah and i love that episode uh the marble rye is in it the marble rise the dinner party yeah is it called marble rye no no that's that they just have the marble rye but they oh babka is babka sorry and he's like a chocolate babka now we got a cinnamon. Ah, cinnamon. No, cinnamon's good. He defends cinnamon.

They slip in the liquor store. Oh, that's where you get the big coat? Big coat. Big coat. Big coat. So I'm the same? Yeah. There's so many jokes in that one.

And it's a Larry David early one. And that one just hits me. I don't even want to put a big jug of Pepsi in the middle of the table. I like ringdings. Yeah. And they don't want to put a big jug of Pepsi in the middle of the table. Yeah. I like ringdings. Yeah. And they don't even, they show up and give the guy the TV. No,

that's the Drake. The Drake. Yeah. But they just show up. Cause it was such a hellish day that they just give the guy the, the Bob gun. They leave. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That is a good one. I love that episode. Yeah. That's interesting. That's not one that you would think someone would say is their favorite. I know.

It's just, that one speaks to me. It's just all jokes. Yeah. And I love that. Yeah. What's interesting. That's not one that you would think someone would say is their favorite. I know. That one speaks to me. It's just all jokes. Yeah. And I love that. Yeah. What's yours? I said before, I'll stick with the Soup Nazi.

Oh, classic. I got blasted because they said it was too easy, but I feel like every storyline in that is very funny to me. Yeah. It's one of the ones that's got the armoire. They are pretty solid. Yeah. Armoire is great.

The Kramer and the street thugs that take it from him. Street toughs him street toughs street toughs yeah George with the poopy smoopy that kind of backfires on him

oh yeah yeah so smoopy smoopy smoopy yeah I'd like that one I would say the smooshy I didn't like them saying that

the whole time like sometimes when someone's doing something that kind of feels weird you just feel like Jerry would never have done that

yeah I get that and so like that's what pulls me out of it but the Elaine Kramer and Sue Notts here are unreal.

Yeah. When he goes in there and she goes ba-ba-ba-ba. Oh, that's incredible. So do you look like Al Pacino? Son of a woman.

Son of a woman. Hoo-ah. Hoo-ah. She's just hitting all over it. Like it's a, yeah, it's a, I mean that was a huge one. Yeah, that's a great one. I really like it's a yeah it's a and that was a huge one

yeah that's a great I really like the pool guy that's movie phone oh yeah movie phone that's big I mean big why don't you just

tell me the movie you like yeah when that came out I mean I was a big movie phone guy yeah that's what people did you called it

it sounded like that recording it was so funny that's true that's what always I say what's the matter with you? Because of that episode, because Kramer would always, when he goes to Jerry, he goes, oh, my buddy Jerry saw the movie. And he's like, talk to him.

And Jerry's like, I'm not talking to him. He goes, come on. He goes, what's the matter with you? It's so funny to think Jerry doesn't want to talk to an absolute stranger about a movie that he just- About Firestorm. Yeah, about Firestorm. Right, right.

And Kramer's like, what's the matter with you, man? Just do it. Kramer's like what's the matter with you man just do it Kramer said that a lot and that's a great character is just someone that's like

that's almost how you just he's like he's going to put you in a horrible situation and then if you don't do it he's like what's the matter

you're not going to make you look like the idiot yeah you're the what's the matter with you yeah that's the little thing one time there's an episode where Jerry and Elaine

are fighting he goes can't you guys see you're in love with each other and matter with you? Yeah, that's the little thing. One time there's an episode where Jerry and Elaine are fighting. It goes, can't you guys see you're in love with each other? And they're like, come on. But that's just classic Kramer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the pool guy is a great episode. Secret Code is a big one too. Season seven's my favorite.

That's up there, yeah. Season seven, I get it. I just don't like that eight, nine get just- No love. No love no love the marble rye is another one incredible yeah incredible that day for reno did they take the rye yeah he goes no they knew it was there they didn't put it out i mean that's a great great frank still goes who has the chicken and yes that's one of the best yeah it's perverse it's perverse yeah something missing something's missing something's missing all right uh and that's where they do i mean man

i would you know i say frank and his costanza's parent i mean their whole family's the my favorite thing yeah but they're yeah and that's where like the kruger is, he's more of like, he wasn't in a ton of them, but that was the best like kind of come on character. Yeah. Taking out bananas on the side. Yeah. What was that one? That was when George is the hand model. Oh, yeah.

Another great one. And he's living back at home and he's wearing gloves everywhere. And the mom is being so nice to him now because he's actually doing something with his life. And she's like, I made Jell-O. And he goes, does it have the bananas in it? Like Frank Stiller just jimes in. Like, does it have the bananas in it? She's like, yeah, it has bananas.

Why don't you put the bananas on the side? He's like, stop. I can't have all this stress around my epidermis. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's great. Yeah, that's awesome. All right.

All right. We got it. We did. This was much longer than we thought. Before you got it, it's fine. I think we could right. We got it. We did. This was much longer than we thought. Before you go, I did find. I think we could keep going. I honestly think we'll have you back, and maybe you'll be our special Seinfeld episode. I'm down.

When Jerry Stiller died last year, ESPN wrote an article, what the hell did you trade Jay Buehner for? And found out that he was right. It was Ken Phelps. Yeah, Ken Phelps. They looked at their careers, and Frank Costanza was right about, that was a terrible mistake, trading Jay Buehner. So that's pretty funny, and a nice tribute to Jerry Stiller.

That's the other one that we always say all the time. He goes, I think I got a way to get Ken Griffey and Barry Bonds, and we don't got to give up that much either. Same outfit. Same outfit. We don't got to give up that much. And someone wrote an article about that. Wow.

Being like, could they have done it at that time? And they're like, maybe. Yeah. Because King Griffey was huge. Barry was like not what he became. King Griffey was. And they had an outfield that like, could they have made that trade and not really given up that much? It would have been a very wacky trade, but they were trying to figure out how they could have done it.

I mean, I don't think there's any way. But such a funny, just kind of quick line. Yeah. Two biggest athletes, maybe, you know, two of the most famous in baseball. And he goes, I think I found it. Like, George found a way. He's the traveling secretary.

He's the traveling secretary. I found a way to get King Griffey and Barry Bonds, and we don't have to give up that much. I stopped short. I mean, so many great ones. Oh, dude, that one's a great one. That's a great one that's a great one where he he goes

this guy that's one of my other favorite lines he goes he goes which means this guy he's not he's not my type of guy

like it's he tells Elaine that I mean it's so so good yeah so good she must have been some doll because I had enough yeah

she was she was yeah oh is that that one no that's from Festivus oh Festivus that line oh my gosh she must have been some doll because i had enough yeah she was she was yeah oh is that that one no that's from festivals that line oh my gosh she must have been some doll it goes it must have been some doll she was i mean festivus is yeah that's up there all right george wrestle your father like he tries to make him fight he goes come on dad yeah fight your father george you can beat him i mean

just how about when they're at the jail house and he's like my son isn't quick enough to hitch a ski like this i'll drop you like a bag of dirt you want it you got it that was in the first outtakes that's right that was like oh yeah classic the stillers i mean i don't think they're underrated i mean as even as a as a married couple they were very good together yeah yeah yeah and, yeah. And then Jerry Stiller, too. Like, in everything he did, I mean, Ben Stiller. I'm a giant Ben Stiller fan. I love Ben Stiller.

And, like, I think he's someone that sometimes people kind of blow off. And you're like, dude, I'll watch anything that guy does. Tropic Thunder is amazing. Ben, would love to meet you sometime. Giant fan of Tropic Thunder. But I'll watch his Heartbreak Kid. Oh, yeah. It's great with his dad.

I saw him at a restaurant once. It's the closest I've got. Yeah. He walked into a restaurant, and we were hanging out, and I was like, he's one that I was like, I just, if I really like someone, that's the one. Those are the people that I can't. Same. Like, I just stare at, and I'm like, golly, I just want to talk to this dude.

Yeah. Like, I love everything he does. Like, if you feel like they fit with you, you know. I know, that's tough. All right. This was Norman. Thank you, buddy. We got you in.

Thank you. Sold out weekend. Norman's about to, if you can go check him out, Norman's, it's about to get real for you. I don't know. Who knows? I'll screw it up somehow. I think so.

I appreciate it. No, you almost did, but it's, they, I think you're, I mean, obviously everybody knows you're an amazing comic. I'm not saying I'm even above you. Like, you're with us in that, I'm older than you. Yeah. But it's, you're, it's like about to be, it's about to start theater. It's going to start coming.

Makes me nervous. It's going to get crazy. I like this level. I like the clubs selling out, but you think. It's nice, but I think it'll go as whatever you want to do maybe you want to just do clubs uh so you do whatever you want to go do but it's you know yeah i think you're gonna do whatever you want man selling these clubs it's not easy no it's not easy to sell out clubs you have a giant audience that wants to watch you and that loves you and you're a great great comic and so it's all it's all coming

together ah yeah Look at this. All right. Every day is my birthday. But I mean, once they see through it. Yeah, other hand, Bates. Hey, Batesy. Bates, I'll be honest with you. I think you peaked five years ago.

I think you're right. Yeah. So, all right. I don't know when this is going to come out. Go to marknorman.com, right? Your website. marknormancomedy.com. MarkNormanComedy.com. MarkNormanComedy.com.

Check out some YouTube stuff. I'm all over the place. Special on YouTube. Yeah. Comedy Central put out. Did great. Thank you. It was a giant special, and a lot of people saw it.

And so, yeah, very funny. Everybody that knows you is very funny. A lot of late night stuff. If you want some clean stuff, Norman can just watch all his late night clips. For tonight's shows. For tonight's shows. There you go. So, yeah.

And then you can check our stuff out as always. As always. All right. Aaron, we'll be back. Thanks for doing this special episode. Thank you.

I think it was a fun one. It was a fun one. Great app. All right. There you go. All the Seinfeld people. We did it. Thanks, everybody, for listening to the Nate Land Podcast.

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