The Netmums Podcast - S1 Ep25: Myleene Klass talks parenting toddlers and teens at the same time

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

Listen as Annie and Wendy chat to Myleene about life as a mum of teens and a toddler and how this year of on and off lockdowns has affected each of them differently. Plus why she went public with her miscarriage story.

You're listening to Sweat, Snot and Tears, brought to you by Netmums. I'm Annie O'Leary. And I'm Wendy Gollage. And together we talk about all of this week's sweaty, snotty and tearful parenting moments. With guests who are far more interesting than we are. Big thanks to the sponsor of this episode, Tropicana Lean. If you're anything like me, you're always on the hunt for new family favourites that are lower in sugar and full of flavour.

Absolutely. So we have to share that we're loving Tropicana's new juice drink Tropicana Lean, which has 40% less sugar than fruit juice on average, but still full of taste. It's also got absolutely no added sugars or sweeteners. Delicious. Now let's meet this week's guest. Hello, Sweat, Snot and Teary Lot. how are you today? We are feeling flatter than my voice sounds. Wendy, we're not doing well this week, are we? We are done. Done with homeschool, done with lockdown, done with the people I married, done with the people I gave birth to, done.

Great, so are you... I promise not to be this miserable for the whole podcast i'm very sorry i will cheer up in a moment are you saying it's mostly sweat snot or tears in your house when tears all tears yeah i think in my house that's what it is this week i think we need to add a new category i think we need to rename the podcast Sweat, Snot, Tears and Beyond Tears into Doom and Gloom. Because I think I've gone beyond the crying now. For God's sake, introduce the guest. She's got to be cheering with us. The good news is this week's guest is a very upbeat, lively, fun person who can save us all from the storm.

No pressure. Right. Mylene, help us. I'll try. It sounds like you've gone down. You've gone right into the swamp. So come on, tell us how your lockdown's going. I mean, it's similar scenes at times. Other times I think, yeah, I've got this.

And I go back to, oh, my God, how much longer? I think what hit this week is that my daughter's going to have her second lockdown birthday and this time last year I said to her look in a couple of weeks I'll just move everything forward and then I said to her after that couple of weeks don't worry because we'll move it forward again and then we're now on the second lockdown birthday and I feel I don't know what I'm gonna say. I know that's really really, really tough. So how old are the kids now? Talk us through them.

I've got a 13-year-old. I've got a nine-year-old. I've got a 16-month-old. And then I've got two stepchildren, nine and 13. Wow. I've got a party. Enough for a party, yeah. No, you do.

So the birthday thing will actually be fine. Yeah, no, we'll be fine. We'll be fine. If everyone's still speaking, yeah, we'll be great. I'm fascinated. Out of all of those ages of children, which age group do you think is handling it best? That's a really good question

because actually watching the whole lockdown scenario unfold at different ages, myself included, everyone's got their own challenges, not a doubt about it. So my 13 year old you know she's been phenomenal she really has been she's really taken to helping me with the baby she's been learning loads from a work perspective with me but she's got that massive gap in her social life which at 13 going on to 14 you should be hanging out with your mates you should not be

hanging out with your mum as much as I love it do not get me wrong and it's just been phenomenal but I really feel for her so on as you know as a teenager her teenage years so far um it's all socials isn't it and then with my nine-year-old she's desperate to see her friends absolutely desperate just to she's my nine-year-old is like a firework she's just fizzing with energy and you know I've sort of just locked her in a room doing her homeschooling it's just so against what she naturally would be doing um and for my 16 month old baby I feel that he just doesn't have any mates it's just everything goes against what you would naturally be doing you'd want him to be sort

of tearing around in the park with his friends and it's just that's just not the case and then obviously there's the parents I love being at home with my family I'm enjoying that side of things I miss my friends terribly I miss having because I've got a very sociable household it's sort of it's near the park so everyone always stops by on the way to or from the park, has a cup of tea. It just feels like, I feel like, you know, that expectation of I want to live in the moment. I think as mums, you should always teach your kids to live in the moment.

But we've also got that expectation of soon, this will soon pass and we will be able to do A, B, C and D. But I don't know if that's ever really ever going to happen. It's got to be coming. It's got to be coming. I don't know. I don't know. It's not being on a downer as such, but the idea of things as they were. I think you have to adjust and explain to your kids it probably won't be like that. Well, it won't be. There's a massive gap in kids' education and kids' social skills

and even just kids' clubs and just going out. I think you have to readjust and try and realign yeah I think it will be a different world that's okay we will guide them through it we'll guide them through it we will who's going to guide us I'm going to go back to the first question we always ask our guests which is has there been any sweat snot or tears in your house today sweat daily sweat daily because I find that it's just the little things that can just topple everything my kids can't get onto the wi-fi or if they are struggling with their homework it just just becomes pandemonium snot I've got a 16 month year old that's his modus operandi tears daily hourly from everybody involved yeah i think it's a really frustrating time because

it's the uncertainty we know we're living through a historical period we know that this isn't you know this has obviously never been before and it's uh it's a massive period of change and no one knows how to navigate it and so in so doing you know when mums are meant to have all the answers and we just don't have them um we're as sort of as lost as everybody else I think it's okay to admit that and show that to your kids but at the same time it's incredibly frustrating because what we do as mums is we fix things don't we yeah? Yeah, well, we try to. Well, yeah, we try. Oh, jeez, I'm spending my whole day fixing stuff from the cupboard and to the lights and to whatever else has been broken during the day.

Yeah. So what's it like having a 16-month-old tearing around with older girls, especially at the moment when you're, like you say, you're fixing Zoom and there's a homeschool nightmare here. And how does that work? What's it like? I think because he's not my first baby, I think the comparisons are quite apparent because I always think of what I would be doing and all those clubs, you'd be using all that energy up and he's super energetic. And my girls, when when they were babies they would sit and read a book or look at a book sorry they weren't quite reading books at that age but they would sit they would sit in and play with their toys or he will not sit ever not from the

minute he wakes up to the moment he goes back to sleep he will not sit still and I'm not used to that kind of energy I don't know if that's just because that's who he is so if that is boys and that's the difference but I feel like I want to try and keep him as occupied as possible. And my partner did dry January and cleared out all the wine bottles on the wine rack. And my baby's literally been climbing the wine rack. That's the closest to any kind of apparatus or wall that he can scale. I mean, he's not far behind my partner either who's also climbing the wire rack but it's um it's one of those things I just want to be able to just get him out there and use that energy up and it's it's that's I suppose the biggest challenge for him but

he doesn't know any different and I have to keep reminding myself of that and do the girls find him a nice distraction or is it tough trying to keep him quiet while they're trying to learn? Oh, no, no, no, no. I've had to have a word with my daughter, my eldest daughter, because she wants to bring him in every two seconds into the home, into her into her classroom, into her virtual classroom. It's adorable. She's completely obsessed. She's like his mini mom. She really is. But I've had to say, look say look this is your time you need to learn as well um no one's listening to me it's fine that is the mom motto of lockdown nobody is listening to me listening to a word I find myself giving the same instruction 10 20 times and do you find like this morning I was asking my littlest one to do

something for maths and she was like well I can't do it and I'm like well you would do it for your teacher and you're just so I'm so quick to snap at them because I'm just not a natural teacher I'm just rubbish at it I think it's just everything's frustrating everything because yeah all of it all of it is you know it's like I asked you to come to the table I asked you to come to sit in your dinner I asked you to put the things away it's normal those things are normal as a mum but they just feel everything feels heightened at the moment I think that's what it is everything's heightened so if you can't do a sum or they can't understand the sum or you can't teach it to them there's no sort of light as to well they'll sort it out on Monday when they go back in it's just no no nobody knows well this brings me on I actually think that we should all

shut up because you've been incredibly publicly supportive of Kate Garroway and ultimately we're all sat here moaning about homeschool and we're not going through something as awful as she is so how do you support someone through something like that especially now with distance because it's not like you can just run and give her a big hug is it I send donuts to her door for her kids I send flowers to her door for her I I take over her show whenever I look I've just covered her show this week so I sort of just keep the chair warm for her um whenever she needs me to um I organized her kid's birthday party because she just didn't have a second to herself so kind of you that's amazing well I got all my kids involved because I think it can be very um easy just to look at

you know what's going on in your own household and know about COVID. But unless you see what the actual impact is in someone else's home, then you can't really, well, how can you? You're a child. You can't relate it to your own circumstances. So, you know, the whole family, we all went over to her house. We helped set up the tent and put the TV in the tent for the kids. At the time, it wasn't tier four so that you could do this kind of party. The girls put all the food out and they just,

it's just about acknowledging that someone else is going through a different situation to your own, but you can do your bit. I think that's what I think I've tried to drum home to the girls. Just do your bit. We've gone around and made sure they've collected for food banks and got the toys together for mothers who are living in the shelters at the minute. Just again, do your bit. We've done our home schooling classes for music music classes um otherwise I think it can just become quite insular so yeah

we're trying to keep ourselves as occupied as we can whilst also making sure we are doing you know pulling our weight to helping others you know who are in a really really really tough situation. I mean, Kate's situation is, Kate's been phenomenal. She's been absolutely phenomenal, but she's a mum. I don't know how she does it. She's a mum. She can't do anything but, you know, keep on going because she has children. She's phenomenal. I think anybody who's been in a situation you know as as a single mum will

appreciate that you you don't have that time to to just um let anything settle anyway it's just it's just the days do just keep rolling into one and that's irrespective of how you know you got into that situation it's it's one of those things that you just you don't have the let up you don't have the time to to just take two seconds to yourself and that's I suppose the thing that I always think about when it comes to her or any of the mums who are doing it alone at the moment yeah I think single mums deserve medals seriously now especially at all times but listen you're not exactly a stranger to uh keeping busy yourself are you you've had a really busy lockdown like you were doing dancing on ice you're still doing radio you're talking to us like how the hell are you fitting it all in I like to keep busy and I like to show my girls that what I'm doing

you know these are my choices and as much as you know find a job that makes you happy and that makes you feel empowered and that can give you that satisfaction and um just run with it otherwise i i don't know i i feel that i don't have the the the situation of furlough i'm not in that position i'm self employed and i do have to keep running but at the same time i do love what I do um you know mother care got severely hit um went into liquidation and so I within two months I my manager and I we managed to sign a contract on my driveway um and start developing the new range which has been our entire lockdown mission which has been phenomenal and yeah it's my girls have seen all of that happening that even in the face of adversity you just have to find a way to keep pushing forward and that launches in in three weeks time it's gonna

when are we all gonna see it it goes international in three weeks time to 77 countries and it's going to be a next so I'm over the moon it's smiling class kids for next so tell us about it what was it was it fun to do oh my gosh so when I started designing um my my kids brand is the longest running celebrity brand in the UK full stop that's how long ago it was um so it was 13 I started designing when I was pregnant so it's actually probably just coming up to 15 years old now all in and I wanted to make black and white monochrome clothes I remember I remember going to the launch and thinking wow this is so brilliant it's so unlike anything else on the thank you because many people said I was mad many people wouldn't even take it on they said it was morbid these children look like they're going to a a funeral. It's just not very user-friendly. And I'm like, are you joking? Black's the most

user-friendly colour there is. Anyway, I ploughed on and it became such a successful range. And it's been phenomenally received by parents like yourself who, you know, who opened their eyes to that kind of design. Leopard print, monochrome. Which is everywhere now. Like in some ways it was ahead of its time, wasn't it? I look back and I'm like, oh my now like in some ways it was ahead of its time wasn't it I look back and I'm like oh my god it really really was ahead of its time so now you've got all these scandy designs and every other person's making leopard print tracksuits and all sorts but I'm like hang on a minute I had to fight I had to beat down a path to be allowed to design this kind of print it was I was you know given a massive cross every single time I

tried to push that kind of print through by so many stores and so the fact that now 15 years down the line that my range is still thriving it's just incredible that it is like my other baby it really is do the girls get involved at all do they have opinions on it now um they really understand when something is um well they understand all on it now um they really understand when something is um well they understand all of it really because they've grown up around it they understand from the fabrics the textures the handwriting they helped me to even just design the backnet labels um here i've got a sewing machine from santa so she helps me yeah yeah yep she's part of my workforce uh Ava's more interested in labor well the jobs are only half done in fairness I have to finish them off um so and Ava gets involved with the um the branding of everything

as well she's more interested in that side of things so it's been really nice to be able to show them that side of things I didn't want them to think that just because it feels like the world has stopped the world has stopped because very much so you have to find a new way of working and I think that to try and be as enterprising as you can this is the right time to show you know the children where you can actually find new opportunities to to either continue or to develop new ideas and where do you see it going beyond the launch in next like are you going to branch into doing adult stuff or sports stuff or have you got a long-term plan for it uh I can give you the the exclusive it's also adults yeah they'll be adults adult clothes there as well very exciting

when you'll see the photos soon enough, but all the mini-me stuff, I just thought, well, look, hang on, I'm wearing leopard print. I don't want to get left out. Let's just make both. Let's make mum's size and baby's size. That is so fun. I'm literally in a tracksuit most hours. So it just made sense.

If I'm making baby tracksuits, I might as well make some big ones as well for the mums. I am all about the tracksuits of course it's what we're what we're mooching around in and I just think again I think that most of the changes in fashion have come about because of what is going on historically you know look at Coco Chanel she just changed the tailoring completely and it was after the war and I just think that actually it'll be quite interesting to see what does happen as a result of Covid and lockdown and how people have been dressing in a more casual manner. Will we rebel and will we just suddenly go full out all glam sequins? Or will we just continue in our slouchies? Because we've all got into that pattern. It'll be quite an interesting thing to see what happens from a historical fashion point of view. And from a design point

of view, I'm all for that yeah I think it is really interesting like will we go completely over the top and burst out of our houses in like ball gowns or will we go do you know what I've done enough I'm staying in my tracksuit bottoms and I love my tracksuit now I'm not taking it off ever oh I am so the latter that's me done leggings up leggings rule okay I'm with you I just want to be comfy I really do that's it comfy and cozy we're very sad that your dancing on ice career came to such an abrupt end were you loving it I'm okay with it because the idea wasn't to try and win the show the idea was to try and learn to skate that was it I've learned to skate I've always been the mum on the side holding the coats that's been my job filming the kids and you know they loved it

watch me watch me watch me and and they love skating and I couldn't join in I just stood on the side and now I can join in that's all I wanted to be able to do and I didn't realize that when I did sign up there was only three of us that had never skated in our lives so it's a really daring a daring show to take part in when you're terrifying I've got Olympians next to me for goodness sake I'm standing next to Chorville and Dean and Colin Jackson and Graham Bell they've all stood on the podium at the Olympics and there's me who's just been going around alley pally trying to not hold on to the side but weren't you terrified that you were going to break bones I would never go on a finger off yes all of the above and then I realized I wasn't going fast

enough to even achieve that oh okay so it's to do with speed is it yes you do need like a bike as my partner kept saying you if you haven't got any speed whatsoever you will not stay upright on your bike i'm not entirely sure one's partner calling one a bike is probably the nicest thing he called me because i've learned a lot of swear words in uh in russian and in polish and yeah i've got a really good vocab now but you see which is worse i'm a celeb or dancing on ice because when I'm a celeb you have to eat crap eyeballs and kangaroo balls and all sorts and on dancing on ice you run the risk of chopping your fingers off so which is worse I mean you do get really hungry but if you want to go from the food element you get super hungry doing both I felt when I came off the ice rink every day, I felt like I'd been swimming. You know, when you're a kid and you just got on the school bus and ate your lunch.

That's how I felt with the danger factor. They both push you to physical limits. I think that's what I like. I want to show my girls, you know, to get out of their comfort zones because I can't keep preaching at them. Try new things. Try and have a go. Even if you can can't do it please have a go at this and I can't keep doing it to them if I'm not doing it myself so I think it was one of the um coaches who said you should have done this 20 years ago and I thought oh my god even more so I feel more determined to give

it a go now because why why is it when you become a mum everyone just decides your life ends and that's it you're just a facilitator it's true if you had to do one of them again which would you do I don't know if I'd fit into the bikini at the moment lockdown's been there's been a lot of cheese in my lockdown my lean's lockdown has been sponsored by cheese yeah it has um I I don't know if I'd do either again I don't believe in going backwards I like to keep on moving forward so I'd like to try a new thing now something else that kind of brought you to our attention in lockdown was that you spoke out very publicly about the miscarriage that you had on air um and you have actually been very kind of outspoken about miscarriage

generally can you talk to us about why you've chosen or why you chose to go public about that that's a very brave thing to do um gosh I think it's because there are a lot of people speaking out about um infant loss and I I took so much strength from them and I just thought that maybe it was my turn, maybe it was my time to speak up and help someone else. It would have been the story that I would have needed to hear, and I think the first miscarriage that I suffered was such a shock that I couldn't even imagine the level of pain that you could go to to have a second and then to have a third and then a fourth on top of that it's a world of pain that is unimaginable and I don't I don't think it ever goes away as such but it's most definitely something that we're not alone in and when you speak up about it

your other girlfriends come forward and say yes this happened to me and yeah you just have no idea and then I thought well why don't we speak about it why are we made to feel the way we do why do you feel ashamed about it and what was the response like was it just it's an interesting one actually it's an interesting one because on the whole i'd say 99 are from women like yourself who say thank you it happened to me thank you for being able to you know put it into words i'm not there yet or you know it's for some women who came forward saying that happened to me 29 years ago and i can still not even bear to think about it it's it's it is a trauma for sure um and there's some people saying this is something you shouldn't be speaking

about because you know it's very private which in its own right makes me think we should be speaking about it more so we speak about everything else but anything that vaguely makes somebody feel uncomfortable then feels like it has to be censored i had the same reaction actually when talking about breastfeeding and you just think why do people find these topics so difficult to discuss when it's actually help it could be helping your daughter it could be helping your sister it could be helping you but then we don't think twice about talking about bodies in a sexual way or it's easy to talk about the death of somebody's grandmother or their mom but not of

their child which is this isn't you know no loss is easy but this this one is really swept under the carpet and and when I've seen how Chrissy Teigen's been treated yes absolutely how how how is that okay why is that okay what why does anyone feel that they can comment on something that is just so personal and she's so brave for what she's done and I found that when I had my first miscarriage, all I ever did was Google other women that it happened to. I'm very grateful, actually, to the women that came forward to help me. You know, I rang Amanda Holden. She's the one that I rang. And I said, I need to find somebody that can help me. And what did she say? She gave me her midwife's phone number. And as a result a result you know this is the woman that held my hand all

the way through it she was phenomenal but I'm very respectful that in order to have have that that that lady in my life it's because of what Amanda herself went through this is what I talk about the women that help other women they're the most incredible I know because my next question was going to be who helped you obviously you speaking up was out of you wanting to help other people but well I think it's almost like that baton that you do pass on and if it's like a long human chain it's like a chain of womankind isn't it look we're not none of us are here forever and what is the legacy you leave behind did you help other women you know I said it in the interview that you're referring to I

am I as ballsy as I think I am you're talking about you were ahead of your time designing leopard print and black clothes now people would laugh if you said hey I've got this groundbreaking idea but at the time people wouldn't touch it and then when I was presenting on tv pregnant you should have seen the letters that I got from people saying you know they wanted to confine me to the countryside they wanted to go go back to that time. You shouldn't be on TV. Now, you think twice about it to see someone pregnant on TV. And now we've got to the stage where breastfeeding is still something that people feel uncomfortable with and talking about the loss of the child. And I'm just hoping that, well, you know what, maybe in 15, 20 years time, my own daughters will turn around and say,

crikey, I remember what my mum went through and what my mum's friends went through and how they spoke up and we don't have to experience that pressure now because of them and then if that's the legacy we leave behind I will I'll take that on the chin well it's interesting that you talk about legacies because one of the questions we always ask on this podcast of our guests is how do you want to be remembered is it important for you to be remembered as someone who helped push women forward I want to be able to have shown my children how to be a woman that can you know stand on her own two feet how to be an independent woman and in so doing that they can then help other women do the same because it's just there's so many things that have been kicked up i think over lockdown you know i said to my girls that whilst you stand at your computers

and struggle with wi-fi there are many children who don't have a computer they're a year behind in their learning and those who do maybe have one computer in the house what do you do if there's two children that are trying to learn three four and then what do you do if they don't get wi-fi we've seen what marcus and rashford has achieved with getting school meals for children who don't have the means to eat there are families going hungry at the moment it's just there are so many um issues that are being highlighted because of this lockdown so yes we're all going through a tough time but many have it extremely tough and so if you can alleviate even just one pressure that's going on at the moment or you can So yes, we're all going through a tough time, but many have it extremely tough. And so if you can alleviate even just one pressure that's going on at the moment, or you can speak up about it and do your bit and do your bit.

And if my girls can remember me as doing that, that will be enough. I don't expect the whole world to remember me for doing anything. It's not, you know, it'd be nice, but it's not necessary. I just need my own girls to remember that I did it. So what's next for you other than grown up tracksuits? With you peaked, is that it? I mean, I think that might have just been the height of things there, isn't it? I think to be able to sustain what I've been doing is just,

I still can't believe I have managed to do it. So to be able to launch a new range in lockdown, to be able to continue with radio, to formulate new music school lessons. I'll tell you what's been funny. So these music lessons that we put together, my sister who lives in Australia said, oh, I got sent this link that if I wanted my daughter to take part in a free

school free music lesson you know she should join was it you and she said that it was you and I mean it made me laugh because I thought my god it's like it's just on a global scale they're passing around the message of these free lessons that we've done and then one of the um schools in the area they've started adding it to their curriculum too as well so I'm thinking the arts took such a hammering and continues to in lockdown and the first thing that you do if you're sad you play music if you're happy you play music you know a celebration it's what everyone gets on the dance floor for we miss live concerts we miss going to theaters we miss I miss music so

much and yet that huge huge gap that just eases everybody's souls is not even being addressed so to think that we're doing that now and I get to do it with my girls and they get to see that if they actually they can use you know their music lessons and their little talents that they've cultivated they can use it to to actually put something together that's being seen in Australia. It's just brilliant. Obviously, you've been helping teach people in lockdown, but what has lockdown taught you? Oh, good grief. I think what's been nice about lockdown for us is that all those people that you think you need to surround yourself by,

and you just need that little handful don't you and that's my family and that's the ones that I I really really miss you know my my girlfriends but actually I don't need very much and the people that I miss are the ones that are they're the ones that come into the wedding put it that way and when is the wedding well I don't know because I wanted to have a lockdown wedding because I thought it'd be really romantic it is romantic it's not it's really you know what it's I I went to a lockdown wedding and and it was you know lovely that she made it happen but it you know you you've only got 15 people that can come and as I've said I've got seven

in my family already yeah that's so few isn't it it would be really really tricky so I don't need to have a massive wedding but I just need to be able to have some close friends well maybe 15 is enough but I just think I think it's as much about my children having who they want there as well rather than just us because it's it's been a crikey it sounds it has genuinely been a massive journey for all of us to put a blended family together is no mean feat and anyone who is part of a blended family will know that so I think for us to have got this far it's together it would be nice to have that as a celebration together so watch this space for when it is well i mean it's like the longer lockdown goes on the more we've kind of lost all reality and here is wearing a wonder woman costume and why ever not oh and why ever not but uh

yeah entrances are being planned through the ceiling like superheroes you know when kids plan the wedding you just it just takes on a whole different angle a superhero entrance love it so a question that we always ask as we're coming to the end of our podcast is what's for tea mylene oh what's for tea chicken fajitas oh nice yeah so here's this thing i found out because i was doing it on the radio that most people think of all the dishes that are in the world most people work a six meal rotation and i remember saying to my producer that's ridiculous before realizing i probably only work a five meal rotation and what are they uh chicken kievs and salad chinese curry uh pizza pasta fajitas i like all of those things so do i and only only those things if you think about you know you just never know what to cook never well even if you don't know what to cook it's like if

new ideas are offered to you you still think nah what I really need is like a pizza or a curry I'm gonna go away and think now what my six are you've given me that's yeah I'm worried that I don't even know that's what I'm trying to think of mine now yeah I really I didn't realize I've gone the full Karen I just don't really I do not come out of my comfort zone with food I just just, I like, I love trying new things. That is true, I suppose. But it's much nicer to try new things when someone else is cooking them for you. That's true. That's true.

But don't you find at the moment, I just think the hours that we're all doing, you know, you're trying to work and you're trying to homeschool and the baby is a full-time job in his own right. And then you're doing the cooking i actually like laundry my um fiance and i we uh he does he we've got a deal going he seems to hate laundry and i hate cooking so it works out really well right on to the last question mylene and one which i think you're going to find easier than a lot of guests we've had on don't ask any trigonometry or fronted adverbials don't ask me anything what we ask is that you imagine you're tucking Wendy and I into bed and you sing us your family

lullaby because every mum has a song that they sing to their kids and their kids can't sleep and we want to hear what yours is I mean I've got like a whole set list I know we've got all the time in the world off you go L is for the way you look at me O is for the only one I see B is very very extraordinary E is even more than any any anyone that I adore and love is join in it's all that i can give to you love is more than just a game but no you don't join in that one no we don't join in because our listeners all unsubscribe if we sing what do you sing or what do you you could do the whole um rex harrison like speak it instead of sing it. Yeah, I don't sing to my children because it would scar them for life.

Oh, no. My husband makes awful jokes about my singing all the time. I'm really and truly very terrible. I don't believe that. Here's the thing, your kids will still think you're like the best. They'll think I'm Mariah Carey. I can just about manage Twinkle Twinkle if I'm lucky. Good enough.

Good enough. My problem is, so you know that I, well, Mylene might not know, but Wendy knows, I cry at everything. So if I try and sing anything too emotional or like nice to my kids at bedtime, I just burst into tears. Do you? At your own singing? Yeah.

Most people burst into tears at her singing to me what makes me cry every single time i read it the place is your guy i don't know that what yeah you do dr zeus oh okay yeah yeah yeah oh not the same effect oh well mylene on the note of us being terrible and you being wonderful thank you so much i'm gonna i'll have to go and burn dinner thank you so much thank you so much for having me and for you know hitting some tough subjects head on i like that we wish you happy fajita friday yes thank you see how many of the peppers i burn it's officially gin o'clock now why are you wasting time with gin when there is rum dark and stormy is all the way mylene well well done well done well mylene thank you very much

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