The Netmums Podcast - S1 Ep42: Ellie Taylor on THAT Bellini Mum hack

Episode Date: July 20, 2021

Listen as comedian Ellie Taylor chats with Wendy about the vulnerability of PND, losing yourself in motherhood and how thick your skin needs to be to appear on panel shows. Ellie's new (fabulous!) book is called My Child And Other Mistakes, £16.99, Hodder & Stoughton.

You're listening to Sweat, Snot and Tears brought to you by Netmums. I'm Annie O'Leary and I'm Wendy Gollage and together we talk about all of this week's sweaty, snotty and tearful parenting moments with guests who are far more interesting than we are. Hello sweaty, snotty, teary types and welcome to another episode. Now I'm feeling a bit like I've had my right arm amputated today because Annie is unwell and so she isn't here to record the pod. Now I'm supposed to be the right hand woman but thankfully there's a lovely guest coming to liven things up so you don't have to listen to just me and my Wiltshire

twang. You might know our guest from the satirical show The Mash Report, maybe from Mock the Week, maybe from 8 Out of 10 Cats. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the wondrously funny Ellie Taylor. Howdy. What a nice intro. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. So the first thing we do in every podcast is we ask if there have been any sweat, snot or tears in your house this morning. Oh, all of the above. What was the latest thing? Oh, she wanted to play with a hammer and i wouldn't let her play with a hammer she cried damn you awful mother aren't i just awful awful woman now you are at the utter cold face you've got a toddler yeah two she's two

and a half you are in twatty toddler phase and yeah yeah if annie were here she'd be telling me off because she loves the toddler and i love a baby and so do you you psychopath why would you like a baby well because they can't move yeah that's true immobile is good do anything and they're just cute whereas toddlers can trash everything in about six minutes flat that's that is very true but're so, she is fun though. She's very fun and awful and fun. It's flits between the two in about the space of 30 seconds often. So tell us about your toddler. What's she like?

She is lovely. Yeah, lovely and awful and funny. But I think everyone says that about their kids, don't they? She's very opinionated. But I mean, everything I say, she's very opinionated but I mean everything I say just she's just a classic toddler textbook toddler um she is very into Toy Story at the moment she was trying to do Buzzy's hair last night she's got this very like very plastic very hard buzz but she's no hair no hair but trying to um clip a hair clip into onto his helmet make of that what you will lucky buzz

and uh she likes singing she goes to a forest school so she's very happy sort of getting muddy and climbing now this is interesting this is really a thing so i've got a five-year-old and a nine-year-old and when my five-year-old and a nine-year-old. And when my five-year-old was little, forest schools were just about kind of peeking their head out. But now every third person I speak to is sending their kid to forest school. It's obviously like a thing all of a sudden. Yeah, it's lovely. I mean, ours isn't like a proper forest school as in they're not out all day

sort of sleeping under a tree. There is a building and they nap in the building all that jazz uh with proper toilets um but they do spend quite a lot of time outside but um yeah i just think they're a lovely idea especially sort of i feel like i chose it and then now retrospectively i'm finding like i'm thinking of all the benefits and it's kind of just pure luck but um yeah i think when i think about the fact that she will be absorbed into the school system where she'll be stuck in a very boring building for however many years of her life it's so lovely that now she can sort of be free range and go and try and sail little boats on the lake and climb trees and you know find little animals in the forest and stuff

it's it's very sweet and they have a lovely she comes back absolutely filthy yeah feral kids come back from forest school yeah but I think that's exactly that's exactly what a kid should be from actual school as well so you tend to keep her off social media or at least from what I've seen you do is that a conscious decision to keep her away from what you do yeah yeah I think well I wasn't really sure about how to how to do it at the beginning um it's a it's a new thing we're navigating isn't it social media really is still in its infancy really we're kind of learning how how it works and the repercussions of it so I kind of followed um my friend and fellow podcaster who I do a podcast with Anna

Whitehouse his mother pucker she had her kids on her social media initially but then she decided not to and she always you know the kids will always be facing away or their faces will be blank or she just doesn't really put them in her stuff much anymore and I just think that's I suppose for me it was like I can't I'd rather go I'd rather regret that than have her face everywhere and then you know feel bad about that in a few years and it just feels I don't know she's she's mine and she's secret do you know what I mean it's just not she's not for public consumption not that anyone cares but it just it makes me feel a little bit better that I'm keeping her private yeah well it's we were talking to so it sounds like I'm being a name-dropping wanker but I'm not we were talking to Paloma Faith in one of the

podcasts and she obviously has very set views she didn't tell the media even whether her child was a boy or a girl in fact yes we do know she's got a girl now but she didn't for a very long time yeah and it's just interesting because her argument which I think I agree with is that when they're 16 you can't take it all away no if they come and say mum yeah my ass is on social media from when I was two and you're like oh sorry darling yeah yeah exactly no so I just think it's yeah it's safer to to say and post as little as you really, in that respect, because it will always exist and you can't take it back. Earlier this year, you posted something on Instagram, which we shared on Netmums, and it actually broke the internet. What was that?

It was a mum hack and it was the best mum hack we've ever seen. Can you guess what I'm talking about I can it was the um like baby puree pouch of peach like puree if you pop that into a glass then pour some prosecco on top you've got a delightful bellini um I didn't make it up I've stole it from someone I don't know who I stole it for I think I've seen it on a few different things I couldn't remember who I who I first saw it um who I first saw do it but it's an absolute dream it went bonkers absolutely bonkers we had thousands upon thousands of people saying oh my god this is the best idea ever but now the pressure's on what's the next one oh probably just variations of other things to put in Prosecco I imagine variations on a theme

raspberry yes exactly why not go wild it's such a good idea i love it i think it should be um some advice that is included in every woman's first health visitor visits i think maybe it should be in the red book absolutely absolutely that would really cheer some very sad tired women up i think how to make a peach bellini with this pouch of mush so tell me about your lockdown high points low points what happened it was pretty full-on um my husband has a grown-up full-time job so he had to work um obviously from home so I as the self-employed freelance wally uh took on the majority of the of the baby minding um and i found it initially very very very hard and i was very resentful because um i didn't want to do it it's what i hadn't chosen to do that i've i've worked i've always worked i didn't i haven't chosen to

be um a stay-at-home mom and lots of people do and that's wonderful and that's their choice but that's the thing, that's their choice, this was not my choice and I know it's not the same, I know lockdown is not the same as being a stay-at-home parent but it was, yeah, I wanted to work, I wanted to be able to work and I had no time and to not have any time to create which is such a wanky thing to say but you you know I'm a I am I I am a creator like I I do stand up and I write and I act and you know all all of that stuff I need time and space away for my child to do it so it felt really really hard not to have any time to just sort of sit and stare at a wall and write some jokes.

It was really tricky. And did you find it easier as lockdowns proceeded? There's been a real mix in the people we've spoken to. Some of them found the first one the hardest. Others found the last one the hardest. And I'm in that latter camp. For me, the last one was just abysmal. I was done with homeschool by the last one well that's the thing

I was lucky wasn't I because in the last one nurseries were still open so for me it was absolutely fine I can't imagine I felt so sorry for everyone doing the homeschooling is just in are unimaginable especially if one or both of you even are trying to work I just I honestly don't know how anyone did anything and how everyone didn't kill a member of the family like I just felt like I was always letting someone down either my bosses or my kids or my husband it's impossible it was utterly impossible to do did you do any filming during lockdown because some of the panel shows carried on didn't yeah yeah so I did yeah i mean that's the thing i was sort of trying to do what i could around nap time when she was asleep so yeah and there was we filmed

a whole series of the mash report uh bbc show from our houses so that meant setting up a little studio in my bedroom and you know doing all the lights doing the camera talking to a director on these strange like i don't know fancy computer things i don't know what they were um and then doing hair and hair and make tv hair and makeup is hard to do i think i deserved i deserved a clap at eight o'clock for being able to do my own false eyelashes i can't even even no it's really tricky it's a lot of pressure i felt very sorry for all all women on telly who had to do their own hair and makeup during that time. That's a tricky skill. And yeah, I was filming that while she was asleep. I remember there was a time when my husband during the first lockdown was away with work. He's a journalist. So it was just me and her and I was having to film. I was filming while she was asleep in the next room trying to get my stuff across. it's all like you know time sensitive and there's deadlines and stuff so yeah that was pretty full on that was an experience I won't forget yeah we've done a few of those where there's been a sick kid kind of laying across a lap while we're recording oh lordy yeah so this is something I was

talking to the netmums team this morning and saying oh what should we ask Ellie and one of them said what's the favorite panel show that you go on do you have a favorite um what's a nice one to do are you gonna piss someone off if you say the other one that's the question no I don't think so there's um there's loads of them the UK are mad for panel shows aren't they it's funny because like in America there aren America panel shows don't exist, it's just not their thing. They are quite combattative. Is that a word? Combattative. That's the word.

It's quite full on because there's sort of basically seven comedians trying to say their jokes the loudest. What do I like? I think that QI is fun because for starters there's only five of you, so that's nice. I've always wonderedI is fun because there's, well, for starters, there's only five of you. So that's nice. I've always wondered, is the edit brutal? Like, do you, obviously you're all there chatting and you're trying to get your jokes in and then you just see whether yours have made it in the edit.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you record probably two and a half hours and it usually goes down to a half hour show. Yeah. So it is brutal, but it kind of needs to be because not every joke will land and you will be very aware in the studio like, well, that won't make the edit if like this tumbleweed as you say it. So, I mean, you're quite often, while it may be brutal, you're quite often very grateful for the edit as well, because obviously it just the whole point of edit is to make all of you look as brilliant as possible. And that is lovely. I just had visions of you all sat there going, well, he got more airtime than me and he said more than me. And I don't know, it's like you say, it's a bit of a dog fight yeah pieces in yeah yeah you just got to be the funniest at that moment and that's and then hopefully yeah you get you get

in the show how do you get to do your job what made you think oh I think I'm funny enough to be a comedian I don't know really it's very arrogant isn't it what a strange choice but um basically I was working in uh events and marketing um in my early 20s and I saw a friend of mine from university do some stand-up just an open mic night and um I thought well I we went to uni we did the same course English and then we'd both been sort of done acting at uni as well like you know in drama society and stuff. And I thought, oh, and if she can do stand up, I can do stand up. We're quite, you know, we're quite similar people. I'd never even really thought about it before.

I've barely seen any stand up. And then I just thought, well, I'll have a go at doing it. But only like as a hobby. I only sort of, I never ever thought I was going to go in it and then get a career. I just did it as a way to vent my desire to show off which has always been strong within me but it's such a polarizing thing because it's one of those things that you know some people do comedy to push themselves doing stand-up for some people is like their idea of absolute hell isn't it to stand up in front of a room of people and talk it's mad yeah I mean yes it's it it does it's like a um like a scary dream it's like a nightmare

people would have isn't it that you're on stage and yet we choose to do it i think well you have to want to be a comedian you have to be a little bit weird because it's it's mad it's mad the choice that you make is arrogant um it's all about getting um you know approved it's just approval isn't it i just just really want lots of pats on the head. And I've always loved approval. I like to be liked. Who doesn't? I know.

And this is like taking it to the nth degree. Yeah. And has any of that changed since you became a mum? Did you ever have like, pregnancy absolutely blows everything out of the water. Did you have a wobble at all when you were pregnant? Do you know, I loved gigging when I was pregnant it was my favorite time of ever being a comedian because I felt so I think firstly once I got very very pregnant I felt very funny like physically funny like pregnant women are hilarious

to look at we're ridiculous yeah like you're like a punch line so that I felt quite fun I really enjoy I'm quite physical on the stage anyway so to to look physically stupid not saying pregnant women are stupid but you know silly um I really enjoyed that and I enjoyed playing uh playing around with that I loved being a visibly heavily pregnant woman on stage because when do you ever see that when do you see a pregnant woman in a position of power like I am in charge here you don't see that you don't see women in general in positions of power but let alone a really pregnant woman who's in charge of the room and I absolutely reveled in it and I I loved it I really really loved it and then what about after you'd had your daughter did you go back quite quickly how did that change yeah I did go back

quite quickly um because well my job's different obviously because it's not like I was going back to a nine to five or you know I wasn't working on a shop floor or anything so I went I went back I would say after three months which sounds very short but like I said it wasn't like suddenly you know five days a week it was bits and bobs that I was doing. And it was preparing for a tour, that sort of thing. So I think if I had another child, I would try to take more time off. You say that and I go, I wonder, would I really though? Because you know, if you are a self employed personal freelancer, you're just terrified that you'll never work again. And I think even if you and I always say to women, I'm like, back yourself, back your career, back your talent. And then I wonder if I would actually listen to that advice myself now because

it is it's very it's a very very vulnerable place to be in your career and you are obviously at your most physically and I would say in my case mentally at your most vulnerable so it's it's a very tricky thing to navigate it is and I think the lack of sleep with the newborn means that you're just in a place that you've never been before. I certainly was all over the shop when I had newborns. I was very out of it for, I would say, four or five months. I was not myself. And I think in hindsight, I may have had some kind of post-natal depression um I felt very very weird um which is such an odd way of describing it but I did

describe weird I I felt like I was playing the character of myself so I was I couldn't believe how the world was carrying on as if nothing had happened. When, of course, to everyone else, nothing had happened. But for me, this massive seismic shift had come along and belted me around the head. And everything was different and shifted. And yet I was in the same house and I had the same husband and my life was the same but I had a baby but everything felt weird like I was seeing everything underwater and I wish I would I would run through things in my brain like do I would I say this would I eat would I eat that what do I what do I watch on telly do you know I mean I wasn't so you kind of lost you you lost the

intrinsic you and ended up with a kind of like okay this is what I think I would do yes exactly and yeah I yeah it was it was really really hard and um I really thought that I'd ruined my life having a child I really regretted it for a while I like I liked her and then I grew to love her but I definitely thought I'd I'd made a horrible mistake and how long did that last for it was sort of in fits and starts I suppose I think definitely for the first month that was absolutely true most of the time I remember being about maybe my baby was I don't know eight weeks old at my mum's and I'd had I was had mastitis I had it a few times and I was it's just the lowest you can ever be I felt that mastitis alone made me feel awful like I was you know sweating and sort of fevery hallucination

like I was and it hurts and it hurts plus you're absolutely exhausting I was breastfeeding and I hadn't slept for more than you know two or three hours in a row for months at're absolutely exhausting I was breastfeeding and I hadn't slept for more than you know two or three hours in a row for months at this time so I was proper like I was a bit unhinged and I just remember crying to my mum like this is awful this is so hard what what why do we do this and she's like I know it is awful but it will get better and that's what everyone says but you know annoyingly it's true it does get better because you were working do you think that contributed to making it so hard for you I don't or do you think actually speaking personally actually doing some work and doing some things that were very much the old me really helped because I struggled with postnatal depression too and actually it was

going back and doing the stuff that I knew was Wendy was much easier yeah I know what you mean yeah being a mum bit was the bit I didn't have a clue what I was doing absolutely yeah I think um I yeah I've always been I was always very good at leaving her I was never like oh my heart's breaking because I'm away from my child I was absolutely fine um yeah so I always quite breaking because I'm away from my child. I was absolutely fine. Yeah, and so I always quite enjoyed the... I know I'd be stressed in the lead up to work things because I'd be like the logistics. I get very logistically...

I get stressed very easily. I'm always a bit flappy. And I think the logistics about who was going to look after her and would they follow the routine and, you know, but she has to go down, she has to go down at this time and blah, blah, blah. I'd get quite flappy about that. But once I was out of the house and she, you know, she was in a box somewhere else, not, you know but she has to go down she has to go down at this time and blah blah I'd get quite flappy about that but once I was out of the house and she you know she was in a box somewhere else not you know in my head not literally in a box that's not how I parent it's not susceptible

these days um then I was absolutely fine and I think you're right did make me go oh you know this this is what I do this is what I am you can and once you once I worked out that I could still be me and have a child it was okay so was that the turning point how did things start to improve I don't know I think maybe hormonally they rebalanced a bit I think also she slept a bit you know increasingly she slept a bit better I think and just time and also I think the realization and acceptance that it doesn't end and that was it's so stupid sorry one second my husband's just walked in how dare he how dare he come in his own house say hello darling hello darling carry on Ellie I think the um the real genuine acceptance and realization that yeah it doesn't end,

that it's not like you're, it's not like a work project where you have to like, oh, I've just got to, you know, work really, really hard until a week on Thursday and then it's all going to be fine. I hand the project in, we're done, we can go on holiday. It's not like that. There is no end. You can sort of scrabble to the weekend, but then you've still got a child. But at the beginning, that real realization that this changes forever is very

overwhelming it is and you can talk about it as much as you like beforehand but it's it's an absolute different kettle of fish when you are in it and truly absorbing how massive this change is going to be in your life and what you know just learning who you are again as a mother, it is seismic and enormous. And that's why I've written a book about my experiences. I was going to ask you about your book. Yeah, and that's what my book is basically about. It's about my experience, which is so, you know, unexceptional. I'm just a very normal woman who's had a very normal pregnancy,

normal baby, normal baby. Nothing out of the ordinary has happened here. And yet, for me, it was cataclysmic. And I think that is the experience of so many women. Oh, she's just had a baby. Oh, hello, lovely. I'll send her a card. That sort of thing.

And yet, what she is going through and, you know, the change in her life is so massive. And we just sort of brush it off as oh she's just I lovely had a baby and that's what I really wanted to sort of I don't know to I hope it I hope the book resonates with other people who've had kids and just yeah reflects back the experiences that they've been through that yes it is very ordinary to have children it's a very common life choice it's nothing out of the uh out the ordinary, but it's also huge. And we shouldn't dismiss that. And some people make it look like it's utterly easy breezy.

And we've talked before on the pod about how there has been a backlash on social media. People have started to be more honest about how things are now. But certainly when my daughter, my eldest was eldest was young nine years ago there was none of that everything was perfect that's so interesting because obviously I wasn't you know I wasn't looking at that kind of thing nine years ago so I'd have no idea there was none of it so I was very much thinking everybody else can do this and I don't like it and I don't know what I'm doing and nobody even admitted back then that it was okay to not like it sometimes wow so that's really hard it's really interesting now that you've got people like Paloma Faith who's just had a baby who's putting the harsh realities out there and

kind of saying no this is a bit shit sometimes that's okay yeah for sure also well i suppose i'm just always inclined to find the funny there's nothing funny in perfection and like loving every second it's much funnier to revel in the time the kid shits on the carpet like that's that's where you can unite and and and yeah find the humor that's that's my favorite bit to be i'm far too exhausted in life anyway but let alone to try and put on a brave perfectly made up face like I don't have the energy mate absolutely not happening obviously now she's a toddler and you were saying before we came on air that she was like now that she's just a little person she's really fun yeah she is really fun she's but you get it's it's this you know highs and lows she's really fun but she can be very challenging at the same time but I love having chats like you she can have a chat now

it's marvellous I mean most of the time she's lying and talking nonsense but I love it I love the little chit chats we have it's just it's just so lovely to sort of see her little personality and to see how their minds take things in it's just it's a it's really magic and do you think your experience your experiences with your first would affect whether you go on to have any more do you think it can be a tough decision if you've had a tough time to think oh should I do that again not sure yeah I mean I think there's that for sure I don't I wouldn't really want to go through that again and then also the fact that because she is two and a half now you know we're out of nappies she sleeps pretty well it's just very manageable like it's still

crazy and you know the hashtag juggle is real and all that jazz but one there's two grown-ups one child it's a very good ratio one person's always off do you know what i mean like you can just you can have a little life still um to throw another one in the mix and to go back to that hellscape of the newborn days crikey it's just it's really hard going into it when you know what it is now there's no blind ignorance you can't imagine how it's going to be all you know coos and cuddling and it's but on the flip side you also will never have that seismic shift again yes because number two comes along and this shift has happened and there is already a potty in the downstairs loo yeah you're already

parents you get it you never go out for dinner anymore you it's fine you never get to watch what you want on telly anyway let's go for it yeah i see what you mean yeah i don't know it's it's a it's an ongoing conversation and i really i really don't know it's really hard oh bless you it's it's a it's an ongoing conversation and I really I really don't know it's really hard oh bless you it's it was an ongoing conversation in our house for quite a long time as well so going to the from babies to Ellie as you tell us about a mum night out for you are you the one being sick in the back of the cab are you the one holding everyone else up tell us about what an ellie mum night out is oh i think it depends who i'm with i suppose i'm quite i'm quite boringly sensible i wish i could cut loose a little bit but i'm always like well now we need

to get the last trade home so let's not drink too much because we've got to look after the baby tomorrow so i'm a bit i'm a bit boring i think i've always been a bit boring on a night out always been i've always been too scared of having a dreadful hangover hangovers and toddlers awful absolutely awful um but i really i suppose when i'm not with her when we're out for an evening um i really i just really revel in it you just like even just i don't know it's just so much pleasure to just just have some couple time or just have a couple of drinks with your mates it's it's so lovely isn't it to have a proper good chat and I think it's it can be especially with my girlfriends it can be so restorative and you don't even realize how much you need it but just have a really like just to download everything just splurge everything

that's going in your brain and then he did this and then she said yeah yeah yeah yeah it's lovely it's lovely but yeah i haven't i haven't vombed in the back of a taxi for a few years unfortunately so it's i'm due one i'm due on any moment up your game woman now one of the things before i ask you the last three questions i was reading up on you this morning and one of the things that made me laugh out loud and spit my coffee was you explaining that the male producer, when you were doing the audio record for your book,

corrected you on the way you were saying a particular word. Yeah, so this poor young lad, he was like 23, 24 and he's listening to me and this book is like honest right there's a lot of discussions there's a lot of sort of anatomical things going on in it there's a reasonably horrific scene about where i talk about my first postpartum poo which i think everyone will remember uh trauma galore um but yeah this one bit i was talking about labias and he just came in on the intercom went it's actually labia and i was like i love

that a young man is mansplaining me how to pronounce female genital parts but apparently that's how you say it and he did laugh bless him i knew he felt terribly uncomfortable having to correct a woman on this but there we are well dear listeners now you know it is labia apparently that's what he told me. We have scarred our producer a few times with some of the conversations we've had. Crikey, I bet. But it's good. They need to know. The men need to know.

So moving on, how would you like to be remembered by your daughter? Well, I think I would like for her to always think of me as really fun which is funny does it matter to you that she thinks you're funny uh I suppose just fun I want her to have fun I want us to have fun together but then I know my husband's like the fun shouldn't be the ultimate goal in parenting Ellie you've got to like and I know I know what he means I absolutely get it but I just I just I want her to look back and go oh we just yeah we just did loads loads of fun things and i had so much fun with mommy and she would play with me and all of that but i think that all might come back to bite me on the ass because sometimes you do actually need to discipline them and teach them

a few things but at the moment the yeah the laugh always comes first. My mum always says this child gets entertained all the time. She gets like dinner and a show every night. But I can't help it. I just love it. I'll do anything to make her laugh and smile. I really will. I'm like her own little jester. But then that's your job.

You like to make people laugh and smile. So it makes sense. I do. I do. And she's, oh, and she's, it's just nothing is more glorious than your kid, like giggling away at something stupid you're doing um and and the older she gets the more fun you can have and she's just you know she can do like imaginary play now and stuff which is lovely well we you know we're

doctors or we're cats and it's really fun I'm like here we go I'm in my element the newborn bit can get in the bin but this bit I get to act perfect now the next question is slightly less serious what's for tea and who's cooking uh she's at nursery so i don't have to do it and me and my husband will probably get a takeaway that's that's one of the best things about nurseries that you don't have to think about what to feed pick them up and they've been fed oh it's great isn't it that was hard in lockdown the constant what are we all going to eat thing that was very stressful i didn't sign up to three meals a day every day in this business it's too much i mean that's one thing about when they're babies much easier to see if you can just milk you don't have to think about it milk and then the pouches for a good you know you've got a good six months

of those guys well it sounds like she had to fight you for the pouches quite honestly when mummy isn't having a lovely tipple and now the last question we always ask and as annie isn't here i can totally throw under the bus for this one this was her idea not mine sing us the lullaby that you sing to your little girl when she can't sleep oh i don't sing her one she doesn't get any she just gets mommy going in going shush she just gets a full stand-up routine she doesn't sleep well i used to sing to her when she was being when she's being annoying as a baby um naughty baby going in the bin going in the bin going in the bin she'd love it it's an absolute banger but no she doesn't get she doesn't get a lullaby.

I sing her, every night we sing Somewhere Over the Rainbow. And she joins in. There you are. You do. Oh, there we go. Well, yeah, but it's not, oh, I suppose. Okay, that's it. That's it there.

That's a cute bit. Not just the bin song. And she joins in and she's just like so off key. It's magical. I love it. It's really sweet. It's really, really sweet. Hearing the little voices when they sing is lovely. Well, thank you for your time, Ellie. like so off key. It's magical. I love it. It's really sweet. It's really, really sweet. Hearing

the little voices when they sing is lovely. Well, thank you for your time, Ellie. It's been lovely to chat to you and good luck with your book. Thank you very much. Yeah, it's called My Child and Other Mistakes. And I think, I think that sort of says everything in the title. It's landing soon, isn't it? So we will look out for it because she talks about her boobs a lot apparently that's what your publicist told me you talk about your boobs a lot at all there's a lot of breastfeeding chat there's a lot of mastitis chat yeah there's the postpartum poo experience uh i mean it's got it's fun for the whole family sounds glorious it is oh i really hope people like it i've worked so hard on it and i really hope that um yeah that it resonates with people see this is your second baby it's true yeah it's much quieter than the

first one but possibly scarier but possibly scarier it's very true thank you so much Ellie we'll talk to you soon thank you bye