The Netmums Podcast - S1 Ep55: Izzy Judd on being lonely in pregnancy

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

Listen as Annie and Wendy try and play it cool as Harry Judd appears wet and er, towel-less out of the shower having just arrived back from the McFly tour. Aside from this moderate distraction, they discuss pregnancies, births and making friends when you’re famous, with violinist and author, Izzy Judd. Sponsored by Clairol: Get Feel Good Colour with Clairol Natural Instincts. The natural choice for rich colour and brilliant shine - with no ammonia or harsh scent - that is kinder on your hair. It’ll make you and your hair glow with radiant shine.

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So that will be fun for us all this morning, won't it? Or whatever time of day you're listening. Wendy, how are you feeling today? On a scale of one to ten? Well, considerably better than you. I'm okay this morning. Can you send some of the good vibes my way? Well, no, not really.

I've only got enough for me, if I'm honest. I'm just about clinging on to the week and I've only got enough for me. You're going to have to fend for yourself, love, sorry. All right, well, I believe that today's guest is in a very good place and I'll explain why in a minute. It is none other than Izzy Judd. Welcome Izzy. Hello, so nice to be here. Thanks for having me. You are exuding serenity and I think it's because you're about to give birth, aren't you? Not on this pod hopefully. No. That would be a whole different kind of episode. I in that stage it's such a it's amazing isn't

it how natural instinct kicks in you just become this sort of like well for me anyway i want to be at home i just want to nest i just want to be peaceful um which is kind of tricky with two toddlers um it is but yeah i'm definitely at that could it be today maybe sort of thing so have we gone past our due date no we're not past the due date but we're in we're in the good to go stage and with the others early or late or on time so I was 10 days late with Lola my first and 10 days early with Kit oh so it could go either way it could go either way and it just it sums them up Lola my first and 10 days early with Kit oh so it could go either way it could go either way and it just it sums them up Lola is a very chilled kind of content little sunshine and Kit is just this absolute ball of energy who was obviously just ready to make an appearance. But you'll have to tell Annie, Izzy has a slight issue in that her husband is on tour.

Oh. Yes, he's on tour. Izzy, we're on tour. Don't say Australia. No, thankfully it's just the UK. He is about to go Scotland way. But I know, I think it's... But wait, how's he going to get back? back is there a plan tell me there's a plan

so we there is there's cars on standby cars if he's in scotland aren't we gonna need maybe a plane or a helicopter yeah yeah she's nothing if not a panico annie you just have to i just like to be prepared for all these things how fast were your other births like how long are we going to have to deal yeah it's interesting Lola was quite long um first what was it I went in labor probably about three in the morning and she was born the following evening at about eight well that would give us enough time that's enough time to get back from Glasgow uh six but I was I had I knew I was in I was starting labor a good few days before i did definitely have warning with kit okay so see i see you stand very in tune with your body i would feel like no no no you're just making it up no you're just making it up and then it would

all be too late my sister-in-law spent 12 hours telling us all that she had it was just that she'd eaten too big a jacket potato and we were like we really don't think it's a jacket potato and she was like no it is it's just you know I'm bloated it's just a jacket potato giving me stomach cramps and we were like really and then it was a baby well I I famously went into labour with my first in an NCT birth preparation class. And I just thought I was a bit uncomfortable. And the teacher took me aside and she said, I really think you need to go to the hospital. I think you're more than just a bit uncomfortable. I think you're about to have your baby.

And I was like, oh, wow. Okay, then. Yeah. So do you feel anything today? should we be on alert at all or do we think we're all right i think we're all right okay i think we're okay harry came back last night so he's here for a couple of days which has helped me feel a little bit more relaxed yeah so he's back and forth a bit if your body's in tune with the fact he's there, it might do it while he's there. I know.

Do you know what I mean? I thought he'd walk through the door and then I'd just be like, okay, let's go. But, you know, after the last few years we've had, obviously live music just wasn't happening. I know. And so there's no way. I mean, people need live music.

They need. Yeah. and Harry needs to go and perform and the guys and so in a way it's sort of I'm glad that they're having this time to actually go out and for people to experience live music again and just have a good time so when I kind of get my perspective head on I think we're only just starting to realise as we go back to all that stuff, how much we've missed theatre, music, like real experiences. Like they really matter, don't they? And there's a definite, I went to Wembley, they were playing in Wembley. There was a definite atmosphere that was just a little bit more electric. How cool.

People were just desperate to get out there. It must be so amazing to be part of that. Well, to be Harry and know that you're creating that for other people. That's an amazing feeling. Can I just say, my husband Harry has just walked in the room and I've told him that I am doing this. And he's going, where are the towels come and say hello I've just come back from tour I've just come back from tour last night I got home at 2 30 in

the morning and I don't know where the towels are they're hanging on the back of our door okay I love that you're like the rest of us and that only izzy knows where the towels are how long has he lived in that bloody house no i need to give you some i need to give you some oh you are having the bathrooms done we're having the bathrooms done and everything is everywhere so to be fair to harry although there are towels in the cupboard that he could just go and get another one right anyway i don't want to be sexist but my 10 year old son was having a shower the other evening while we were all watching tv suddenly we heard him bellow at the top of his voice guys where's the shower gel like we were all his staff and that we should all that we we weren't even individuals with names

we were just guys where's the shower gel like we should all know where we weren't even individuals with names. We were just, guys, where's the shower gel? Like, we should all know where it is and help him find it. And honestly, what is wrong with them? I know. But is there a thing in your house where someone can say, mummy, I can't find my, and it's literally here. It's in front of their face. Mummy, I can't find my school shoes.

That's because you're sat on them. Do you have that? Please tell me you have that. Yes, it's very true. And usually it's me and Lola telling Daddy and Kit where everything is. Because they just need to lift something up to see what might be underneath. Right, Izzy, I'm going back to the beginning we've witted on and we haven't actually asked you our first question yet which is any sweat snot or

tears in your house this morning um do you know what this morning went quite smoothly um how share your secret how so do you know i think this morning, Lona and Kit are now both at school. So I have both of them getting into school uniform. Both of them having breakfast. Both of them kind of getting their bags ready, getting their shoes on, which is much easier than when I'm trying to do two different things with two different children. Right, I get that. So Kit has been a little bit easier about getting dressed, doing all those things because he's going to school and he's, you know, doing it with his sister.

Big sister. If you'd asked me yesterday morning, it would have been very different kit kit i don't know whether i don't know i don't really know how to explain kit um but we all have a child like that is he he is um i mean in in the same moment i could just eat him up because i just oh I could kiss him and he's just scrummy he can also tip me completely the other way over the edge I never know what I'm gonna I never know which what I'm gonna get and he's he's very like Harry in in character so I'm often like Harry can you explain because I just don't understand this what is this actually about yeah exactly but is Harry a good translator of kit then does Harry

get it when you know what my having my son has helped me understand my husband interesting any sense yes that fascinating like wait you're making me reassess my own family now yeah a bit a bit yeah i think if harry could respond as a child that's how he would want to respond but he knows he can't um and it's taken me a long time with Kit, he's four, to really be able to understand him. Whereas with Lola, she's much more like me. And so I can kind of, I relate. So, yeah, this morning, thankfully, was quite straightforward. But yesterday morning was just another level of, you know, just explosions for no reason.

But he's very little and he's only just started school. So we also have to give him a bit of a break. And he's gorgeous. And he's also not been very well this week. So we've had two days off. And it was a cough. So I had to go and get him a PCR. Oh, man alive.

And trying to do a PCR with a four-year-old. Yes, being there, not that not fun oh my goodness so rubbish um bless him it's so uncomfortable and then anyway so he's not he's not been not been well but he's um no he's doing all right I was explaining earlier that he's a summer baby as well he's August 26th so he's really young for his year and there's a lot lot for his little mind to take on i just think he's you know he's not able to emotionally regulate no some of us some of us just can't still aren't well harry can't clearly we've already learned that exactly so while they've been at school have you been walking around the block eating curry

drinking raspberry leaf tea to try and bring this little bubba on or are you kind of just sitting still um i have really felt quite unwell in this pregnancy if i'm going to be brutally honest um lola and kit i really enjoyed my pregnancies and I find it a little bit difficult to sort of talk in any way negatively because we struggled so much to start our family and have a family and so I and I know what it feels like when you're trying for a family and I'm so always on in my head I I'm so grateful there were days but that doesn't it doesn't mean that you can't have days where you feel rubbish though you're allowed

totally but I've really this pregnancy I've just felt ill in what way nausea sickness what's been the deal I've had low blood pressure which just makes you feel very light headed

and a bit vertigo yeah um and just I can't explain it just not like not you um a bit sick a bit we Harry and I actually had Covid back in April when I was about 14 weeks and it really affected my breathing and so you know you kind of wonder whether maybe it's just been harder to sort of recover from that's interesting because yeah what you've just described is how I felt after I had Covid but obviously only for a couple of weeks because I wasn't pregnant and I just bounced back but yeah it might be I you know that's interesting yeah yeah so I'm I'm definitely ready so what are you most excited about is it it's a he isn't it we know you've got a little boy in there so what are you most excited about after he's born when you feel hopefully back to isn't it really yeah um it's so lovely doing this with um Lola

and Kit who were a bit older because when I had uh Kit Lola was only sort of 18 months old 19 months old um and he was a bit he was a bit of a shock um we didn't I had IVF for Lola but for kids he came along naturally very quickly and it was such a shock and I could not I didn't know what was going on I was completely um a bit traumatized actually I think I could not I'm very ordered and I like to feel in control. And obviously I had Lola who was just this sort of the baby that people don't want to hear about, you know, the one that sleeps and the one that's just sort of a very content. I definitely don't want to hear about that. She just, and I was the one that struggled, you know, I was the one up all night.

Is she breathing? Is she too hot? Is she too cold? You know, and actually she was quite straightforward, but I found it tougher. And then when Kit came along, I had the baby with reflux and, you know, all the difficulties and bad things.

Wendy knows the world of reflux inside out, don't you, Wendy? Yes. It's just horrible and really hard to manage. It's very hard to manage. And yeah, and so this time round, I'm hoping I'm just going to have a little bit of space to be able to really take in those newborn moments with a bit of experience behind me um and for Lola and Kit to be at school but for them to be able to enjoy a sibling and I'm gonna have well definitely with Lola I'll have a little helper for sure bless her so yeah I think it's the reflux lottery I remember a friend of mine who had her third baby her first two had been refluxy

and she kind of about five weeks in she said I think there's something wrong with him I was like why she was like well he doesn't cry and he goes to sleep she was like I wonder if that something happened at birth and I was like no that's just what babies do when they don't have reflux so we'll be doing the little kind of like that kind of prayer that you don't get a refluxy one because they're so hard. And also I think with all those experiences, when it's your first time round, you don't really, you know, you don't know why and you can see that they're uncomfortable

and you're desperately trying to make them feel more comfortable. And whereas I suppose the things I worried about the first time when you go to a doctor or whatever, you sort of want to be able to say, no, I know my baby's not all right. I know instinctively, but it's finding that inner confidence to say, look, you know, this isn't right. That's really true. Well, Kit was quite poorly earlier this year, wasn't he? Yeah, my goodness poor kit um when he was eight weeks old he had bronchiolitis um which basically for you or i is a cold but for little little ones it's yeah it's a really big deal it's a really big deal and it was actually

a really frightening experience because he suddenly just struggled to breathe it's horrible my two both had a dreadful it's dreadful watching your child struggle to breathe is one of the most dreadful sites on planet earth oh my goodness and i was on my own and i couldn't get hold of how he was working and we don't have family nearby and so it was a real kind of blue light so what did you do you phoned an ambulance well and i had lola who was oh gosh it was just real kind of blue light situation. So what did you do? You phoned an ambulance? Well, and I had Lola who was, oh gosh, it was just, I can't actually, I wasn't really able. The paramedics were amazing because they were like, right, put this in a bag, this in a bag, this in a bag. We're going. And they scooped Lola up and they were amazing.

Anyway, Kit was okay. But ever since that, having bronchiolitis, every time it gets cold, it goes to his chest. And so we've really battled with that and croup and sort of chesty things. And I think coming out of the pandemic, as we were saying earlier, kids are just – Kit had a rocketing fever. He's never had a fever of that. I was like, you know, 40 odd.

I think they're just, you know, naturally, haven't we? We've all been protected and then all of a sudden. Yeah, you're exposed to bugs again and your body goes wild, yeah. Yeah, that's it, exactly. But he's all right now? He's all right now. We've had a couple of days this week again where he's had a croup, but he's better.

Croup is just dreadful, isn't it? I have a daughter who's going for the world record on croup. And every time I have to, the amount, I've been to every hospital, every time I go on holiday, I end up in hospital at two in the morning somewhere it's just croup is just horrible it's really bad and they say they grow out of it really young they don't it goes on for much longer than everyone says no don't tell me that sorry sorry it's fine it's gonna be absolutely yeah it's gonna be fine it's gonna be fine change the subject quick yeah now back to coloring my hair again.

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My brothers are musicians. It's just all I've really known. And then I met Harry. And then social media happened. And I think, you know, when I was 12, my oldest brother had a really serious car accident and he suffered a head injury, which I've also talked about and shared videos of Rupert playing the French horn on my social media and talking about him. But I watched my mum every step of the way want to help other people. So even when Rupert was in intensive care she would be the one that would go and do the lunch run for the other families that were also with their poorly

family members she was the one that would campaign for charities she wanted to do something to make a difference and I've grown up watching mum do that and I think for me with social media I felt right how could I use this in a way to sort of help others and talk about things and open up and share things that I think are really important to talk about so you know initially that was fertility and it was just amazing, the response and the community and also the difference in how it helped me come to terms with a lot of things. I was a young girl particularly separation anxiety and you you sort of open up about it and then all these comments you know me too yes I'm the same I and it's that's where social media is just such a um a positive space to be in so I think yes and I've tried to um play my violin more on there and share that side of me because it's definitely kind of the core of me and I hope once the children grow up a bit that I can do a bit more,

I can go back to doing a bit more playing. So we, Annie and I, are very aware because we are each other's go-to support gang that it's other parents who kind of get you through this crazy journey and the reflux and the colic and the croup and all of the rest of it. Well, and even the IVF and the TTC struggles that you were talking about, it's that community of like-minded people, isn't it? And you've already mentioned that you don't have family nearby. So who is the Izzy Judd support gang other than Harry who do you go to yeah so uh funnily enough I was um

I was saying to to Harry recently that coming out the pandemic I've actually felt quite lonely. I think with a pregnancy, because I haven't felt particularly well and I have felt a bit vulnerable and a little bit sort of just trying to manage the family and the children and adjusting to Harry not being in the house like he was. And just lots of adjustments and lots of changes. Few of my friends have moved away through from the pandemic. You know, they've moved out of London. And because Lola started school, a lot of the mums there I haven't really been able to connect with until yesterday morning when we had our first coffee morning, which was where I was actually able to talk and chat to other mums.

And we just didn't have that last year. It was a very isolating experience and time. So I think now I'm just beginning to sort of find other people locally through school and through, you know, to sort of be able to just chat to and connect with. And I think through Covid, we just I just sort of knuckled in. I just sort of went into this zone of family and being at home. And I think everybody did, though think it was that's all we could so that's it and I and I think it is a massive adjustment to widen your net again it's I honestly thought that when all of the lockdowns and everything ended that we would just spring back

but you don't it's really it's it's like learning how to make friends all over again isn't it it's really strange and just being in social environments and is it harder being famous is he like yeah is it trickier when your husband's prancing around on strictly and he's in bands and there's screaming fans and stuff like does that make making friends harder I imagine it must make making genuine friends harder um I think it might make it difficult for other people so so say if I'm if I'm making a new friend now for them to sort of go oh you're so-and-so's wife and and it's yeah and we're completely normal we're just like you you know my daughter's just started school or my son's just started school and I'm sobbing in the car just like you and you know and I want a friend yes please yeah exactly I want to make a friend

just like you I want to go and grab a coffee and talk about, you know, how tough this morning was or that I was up all night with my kid. And I'm just the same. I'm I'm no different. But I it is it is definitely something, Wendy, where obviously my oldest friends, you know, who I've known since forever. They they like with all of us. They know you for who you can't escape from anything they know completely who you are and actually I've found um those friendships just really important to to hold on to so is that who the night out with the Izzy and her gang is is it your old friends oh you'd be lucky to get me on a night out. I'm always like, can we meet for brunch? I don't drink.

I've never drunk alcohol, so I'm not the wine club. It's fascinating. Why? Why did you never drink? Oh, that is a whole other podcast. Okay. A whole other conversation. I just don't like it.

You don't like the feeling? Yeah um I just don't like it I don't like the feeling yeah I don't um see I wish I'd been born like that Wendy don't you I think all of us might wish we'd been born like that or those of us that do maybe like wine yeah but do you know what Harry doesn't drink either and I think it's much harder for a guy than it is for a girl to say they don't drink. Because for guys, they're like, let's go for a beer. Let's meet. Let's go to the pub. Whereas for me, I can say to my friends, oh, actually, I don't drink.

Do you mind if we, you know, have a coffee? But was it weirder when you were younger? It's like, I can understand not drinking as a parent. Like, yeah, my drinking nights are few and far between now because you just can't get everything done but as a teenager did people like pressure you like was it weird like at university was it not weird so I that was my kind of path was a little bit different because I went to music college for a year true and then I joined like a crossover um electric string quartet a group and we did a lot of traveling and and all around the world and gigs and what have you so I kind of skipped that bit um yeah so that probably helped

with the peer pressure a little bit yeah and then because Harry before Harry did used to drink so when we first met we met on tour on his Wonderland tour and back in 2005 and on the very last night the tour because obviously professionally I shouldn't mix with the band no you shouldn't have no girl shouldn't have done that but on the very last night Harry came over and said could I get you a drink and I was like yeah I'll have an orange juice and he was like oh no that wasn't that's not the plan you know I think he was hoping he could loosen me up a bit and get you drunk and have his wicked way with you exactly so that was a very cheap cheap date nice that's fascinating um now we have some set questions that we always ask at the end that we think are quite insightful as to where people are on their parenting journey

right first one i'm licking it off wendy is i think insightful is a bold term for these questions they're insightful as to where people are and how their households what is it this is your you can be the barometer and tell us whether these are insightful at the end, okay? Okay, tell us at the end. Okay. The first one is quite big, Wend. Yeah. How do you want your kids to think of you as they grow up? I want my kids to think of me the way that I think of my mum and dad you know that my mum and dad have they may not have got everything

right but they have always done their best for us and they have always given us every opportunity and made us believe that you know we, we can be anything we want to be and given us that confidence. So I think I want Lola and Kit to feel about me the way I feel about my parents. Oh, that's lovely. And I'm sure your mum will love hearing that. That's a lovely thing to say. Now, much more insightful.

What's for tea, Izzy he and who's cooking tonight i don't think it should be you because you're two with child my my lovely husband apart from when he's been away on tour has cooked for me every night this pregnancy um so actually good man harry judd well you know he recently did this cooking show i don't know if you do yes and and tip as only harry could won the cooking show and he can't even he's not really a cook he's a he's a recipe follower really you know um we do these delivery to the door you know the kind of yeah yeah so many of our guests talk about them yeah go for it it's fine um so yeah we're big gusto people and um so if he's got a recipe and exact ingredients he's good to go um I'm not really fast about cooking so he generally takes the

lead on that he married the right man oh we might forgive him for the towels then yeah we're gonna let him off he's all right yeah so do you know what the box is for tonight or not oh that's a good question i think we're having is it a fajita kind of thing lovely um but actually tomorrow night i'm gonna cook for harry i've decided i'm gonna what are you making i'm gonna give him um i'm gonna do we won't tell her peppers um but i'm gonna sort of do a bit of a date night for him because i've really he's put up with a lot have you got to that point where you can't eat very much though because you look at a plate of food and think i'm starving and this is delicious.

And basically your stomach is the size of a small pea and you can't eat anything because the baby's in the way. So frustrating. Yeah, and I have more, more Gaviscon afterwards than I do actual food. Oh, so the baby will be hairy. Babies born with lots of hair, often the mum has had lots of Gaviscon. Both of mine was hairy and I had really bad indigestion. I used to have to lie down flat because everything hurts so much after food. I'd like take half a pint of Gaviscon and then recline a bit to stop it.

But you really want the food to make you feel better. Yeah. You know, because you feel a bit icky and whatever. You have the food and then you feel awful. It's just... Yeah a bit icky and whatever you have the food and then you feel awful it's just yeah it's a lose-lose situation there's only a small window of time that you actually enjoy the that moment it's going to be your first post baby meal i've always had tea and toast it's a classic isn't it now this is interesting because we annie didn't want tea and toast did you no i didn't i wanted i was just like this just so boring but i mean it is the

smell of it is lovely but i was like right i want all the things i couldn't have when i was pregnant load me up with the patty i want all of i want a soft sushi yeah I want all that gubbins, please. I want to make up for lost time. I demanded a bacon sandwich on dirty white bread. That was what I said. I want like that really thick with like an inch of butter. That was what I wanted. Yeah.

Actually, I could go one of those now. So could I. Right. Last question. When we ask this of everybody, I swear we're not just being mean and asking it of you imagine you're tucking wendy and i into bed that we're your children and we can't sleep what is your go-to lullaby and please will you sing it for us do you want me to sing what i sing my children every absolutely we do okay here we go close eyes, it's been a busy day.

It's time to go to sleep and wash your worries all away. Mummy's here to keep you safe and warm. So close your eyes and have a great big yawn that's so nice where did you get that from i've not heard that before i made it up oh izzy come on you need to release it it's like lullaby of the year i want to do a lullaby album on my violin come on you need do you know i tried to persuade a friend of mine who plays the violin because lullabies are in the main pretty shit and i was like because there hasn't been a new one written for like 700 years that's yes do it this is your post-painting challenge but you know

um that without meaning to plug i'm not trying to but i did write a book called mindfulness for mums yes and mindfulness for mums and so actually there's quite a lot of techniques in there with children that wake up in the night and how you can help them um settle and calm down um and one of the ones that my children like is um a story on their back and that's if a child I know some children don't like that um physical touch but you could do it like with a teddy bear or something with them but you basically map out the day on their back so you would be like the sun woke up in the morning and you'd sort of rub your palm across their back like the sun rising and then you sort of use your two fingers to explain you're walking down the stairs then you gobble up your and then you sort of use your two fingers to explain you're walking down the

stairs then you gobble up your breakfast and you sort of do a shape in the hands and then also it's a way to get them to talk about their day because then I say to Lola or Kit but I don't know what you did at school so I can't do this bit on your back what can we do next and then that gets them because I don't know about you but if i ask my kids what they did can't remember don't know nothing um so it's quite a good way to sort of and help them digest the day and sort of work it through like um and then they there's another just breathing very simple breathing techniques put a teddy bear on their tummy and you put a teddy bear on your tummy teddy breathing and you just breathe in and out and ask them to watch the

teddy rising and falling and also it's lovely for mums because you're probably pretty frazzled by the end of the day oh yes they want the same book that they've you know requested every night for mr man that you do some breathing with them yeah yeah um so yeah that's quite nice and obviously breathing calms down their nervous system and everything else so yeah so hopefully there's a couple of little one of the things that you did with lola when she started school was one of our most read netmum stories of all time and it's the thing you do where you draw a heart on your hand yeah and you draw a heart on their hand and then when they're at school if they're feeling sad they've got the little heart that connects with yours and that is such a great idea they can charge it up then my my thing yeah that's interesting i but definitely children

respond to that it's not my idea but it's one that's been used steal it it's fine we said it was yours but um i've made a kind of my own sort of version of it but my the only thing is with doing these techniques with lola and kit is they do backfire sometimes because then if I'm in a moment of like rage or just eat your teeth they're like mummy take five breaths and I'm just like yeah I'll give you five breaths my child exactly exactly anyway you have been so lovely to talk to Izzy thank you very much my mood has improved considerably having chatted to you so thank you thank you thank you all right go and have your baby please um yeah I hope it just we will let you know slips out in a mere cough and a sneeze a cough and a sneeze that's the idea isn't it and we hope that Harry is not in Glasgow when it happens. Thank you. Best of luck. Thank you very much.

And we can't wait to talk to you again when it's all done and dusted. Oh yes, that would be lovely. Good luck. Take care. Bye. Bye.