The Netmums Podcast - S1 Ep58: Lucy Mecklenburgh on how her attitude to working out has changed since becoming a mum

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

Listen as Annie (but no Wendy this week - sob!) chats to Lucy about her fitness regime.

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It lasts for 28 washes apparently no way you can tell me more about it later now on with the podcast you're listening to sweat snot and tears brought to you by netmums I'm Annie O'Leary and I'm Wendy Gulledge and together we talk about all of this week's sweaty snotty and tearful parenting moments with guests who are far more interesting than we are welcome everyone to another episode of Sweat, Snot and Tears. The tears are all mine today because the Wendy isn't here. She's had the terrible COVID, they all have in her house, and now she's got sinusitis and a possible chest infection.

So can we all send her lots of virtual, loving, get well soon vibes, please? I feel like my right arm has been chopped off, but I promised her i'd keep the show on the road so let's get straight to it with today's fabulous guest it's lucy mecklenburg did i pronounce that right lucy no okay give me a lesson i want a lesson in pronunciation because we all just call you lucy meck we never say the, go on. It's Mecklenburg. So just the H isn't there. Silent H, Mecklenburg. Lucy Mech's fine. Okay, fine. We'll go with Lucy Mech. So first questions first. Any sweat, snot or tears in your house this morning? Definitely snot. Roman's walking

around with a big snotty nose because that is that time of year, isn't it? I know. It'll be there till April, won't it? Like that's it. like that's it oh don't please no there's just nothing worse because I definitely before kids was that mum that was like oh god why did they not just like wipe that kid's nose and now it's like my child and I'm like oh well he's gonna scream if I get the wipes out so he's just staying like that today I know I even pack tissues in their coat pockets in their school bags and say can you please make sure you wipe your nose and they look at me like oh my god that's so embarrassing of course I'm not going to do that and I'm like well having bogeys running down your face is way more embarrassing. I mean let's face it kids are just a bit gross aren't they? Why are they gross? I know

we love them anyway we love them anyway. Okay so them anyway. Okay, so we've got snot. What about sweat or tears? Well, actually, Ryan's put me to shame because Ryan's done a workout this morning in the living room with Roman. It was really amusing. And I sat with my coffee watching. I just looked at him. I'm doing a podcast soon.

Try a bit harder. And another 10. And I was like, can we turn the music down a little bit and he was like Lucy just go away or get involved I was like oh no not not this morning so when do you normally work out then what's workout time for you I do like the mornings to be honest because I feel like it doesn't give my brain long enough to tell it that it doesn't want to do it anymore so if I leave it to the evening it usually doesn't happen yeah you can find really good excuses as the day goes on can't you there are there's so many and I think especially once you have kids it just changes

everything doesn't it with things like that just aren't a priority anymore but actually I reached a point when I think Roman was about six seven months and I went that this isn't okay anymore I enjoyed it it made me feel good um I'm gonna make sure and when he was sleeping a bit better and things like that I was like right in the morning um while he's having good um I'm gonna make sure and when he was sleeping a bit better and things like that I was like right in the morning um while he's having his porridge I'm gonna do a quick workout so that's kind of my favorite time so do you always do it at home then always do home workouts yeah I'm not a gym person and I know a lot of people like that the change of scenery but I find the gym really intimidating I do I'm so glad you said that because you're mrs

gorgeous fitness guru woman and i've and i would have thought you'd find it fine but i hate it i'm scared i'm going to break the machines i'm scared someone's going to laugh at me because i'm using it back to front or upside down the whole thing is just too much do you know what you're not alone um i think a lot of women feel like this and also for me with a young child it is the whole well I've got to find child care or I've um and even just getting there takes time yeah and then I've got to get there get back and that takes and that's like half a day out of my do you know what I mean and it's it's and I'm like oh no when I can do a quick and I like doing quick workouts so for me 20 minutes 30 minutes max um and I think that is enough it is that is long enough I can do a quick, and I like doing quick workouts. So for me, 20 minutes, 30 minutes max.

And I think that is enough. That is long enough I can give snacks, juice, milk, porridge to Roman in the high chair, keep him confined to one safe place next to me, and I can get on with my workout. This is all really reassuring to know because I can only do a half hour workout as well because just time-wise it just isn't going to work. But sometimes think and I think oh that's not going to do me enough good but you know about fitness and you're saying half an hour is enough yeah I mean for me it's about consistency whatever you do as long as you stay consistent you know um you make sure you're eating a balanced healthy diet and really if you it's like saying to someone if you don't like walking walk two

hours a day they're not going to be consistent they're not going to do it so nothing it's not going to happen so if you could only get 10 minutes in your day and you enjoy that 10 minutes and you do it consistently of course that's going to be beneficial and it's going to make you feel good and I think it's about being realistic that's why my new RWL strength and sculpt plan it was all about quick workouts and not necessarily for mums but it's brilliant once you've got yourself back into fitness a little bit you've done some light exercises or lots of walking or something you want a little bit more of a challenge but you don't want to do jumping around for an hour it's all low impact small weights pilates

bar and also every other day you get like a relaxation, recovery, stretch and breathing session, which is literally three minutes long. And you need that for your brain, don't you? Yeah, you do. And I've completely changed the way I work out since having Roman. I used to love the high intensity, the jumping squats and all that. I absolutely hate it. I dread it. I haven't done anything like that since having him. But why do you think it was having a child that made you change the way you feel about that honestly I know this may sound strange I feel like I respect my body more now and I'm not saying that wasn't respecting my body but I don't feel like I need to do that I want to look after I want to make it strong and I want to

keep myself fit and healthy but I don't feel like I need to do something that I don't really particularly enjoy and that makes me you know go oh god I don't want to do any more I want to do something that feels good and I love like Pilates that's something that's been continuous in my nine years of training I love it you know I dabble in and out of it, like everything, like everyone. But I added the bar in as well because it's such small, simple moves that you watch and you think, ah, that's easy. You can't change. It's just brilliant. It makes you feel good. Nothing lifts your butt like a bit of bar. There is nothing like a bar burn. A bar butt burn. It's so true. Now, do you ever work out with Ryan like a bar burn a bar butt burn it's so true now do you ever

work out with ryan and would he do a bar butt burn you know what he's done a couple of pilates workouts with me he's not anti it at all i haven't actually got him on bar yet but i think he would think it's got to be done he's pretty chilled about stuff like this we've done like step workouts together dance workouts like he's really like chilled about this stuff like he's not like you know when some men are like I'm only doing weights and you know he's not like that at all so um he loves high intensity interval training like HIIT training so we haven't done many workouts together for a while um because I really am not into that anymore but um yeah maybe you know what I'm I'm gonna i'm gonna put it to the test i'm gonna try

and get around to a bar workout and i'll put it on instagram and i'll tag you thank you very much i want to see how that turns out now back to coloring my hair again i'm thinking about going darker what do you think wend and doing it myself with clarel natural instincts all i need to do is to decide which of the 18 shades to pick. Totally agree. Spending hours in a hairdresser would be lovely, but it just never seems to happen. Exactly. Which is why I'm loving the sound of Claral Natural Instincts. Their semi-permanent conditioning colour promises to give me shiny, swooshy hair in just 20 minutes. And it contains coconut oil and it contains aloe vera. So it feels very treat-like and

it even works on my crazy curly hair. Exactly. No roots, just shininess and general fabulousness. What's not to love? Consider it a hair win. Now on with the podcast. Next question is, we know you're all right today. How is Roman? Because we've been very worried about him since he had his hospital dash. Yeah, you know what? He's great. Kids are, it just made me realize how quickly kids

drop or get sick i don't know what the right word is they get sick fast and they get better fast don't they isn't it weird they're so resilient and how you know from the space of him coming off a ventilator two days later he's running around the hospital wards and demanding snacks so he's like it's unbelievable and it's it was it was awful it was awful there's no there's no two ways about it no no parent should have to go through whoever and I know loads do and I just actually want to say a massive thank you for everyone that looked after him all the lovely messages I've had and support and the NHS staff are just I don't think you realize until you're in it how wonderful they are and how amazing, how important they are.

Well, your life is in their hands. Your child's life is in their hands. For anyone who doesn't know, could you take us back to the beginning and explain what happened, please? Yeah, so I don't want to actually worry any parents by saying this. No, of course. So Roman actually suffers with something called a viral-induced wheeze. So we've had quite a few hospital dashes um which means basically when he gets a virus so say he

gets a snotty nose um by lunchtime he's usually got a little wheeze which means his airways are closing and if his asthma pump doesn't work we will end up in a and e or 999 and that's happened a few times um and so I knew about it you know so it isn't I don't want to scare people that they're going to find their child yeah it didn't come out completely out of the blue no no but he wasn't too bad this day he didn't have a wheezy but he did have a cold um and I didn't feel right in the middle of the night and at four in the morning I went in and he was in and out of consciousness and blue in his cot, which is quite frankly, the worst possible situation to be in as a parent.

Did you see it the minute you looked at him? Well, his room was dark, but I picked him up and he was floppy. And I know you just know from anyone that's called 111 and been worried about a child. That's the first question they ask, isn't it? And he was floppy. He had sick in his mouth and he was in and out of consciousness and he was gray blue and i i think you don't know what to do but you do i called 999 i cleared his mouth and i got his pump was ryan there or were you home alone ryan was in manchester oh my goodness goodness goodness goodness so it

was you know what your mum instinct and i think that's why i even went in the room that because something didn't feel right i know why did you wake up at four that's so weird so i heard sort of grumbles at three and like i think we all do well if they're not sounding like it's a big scream and they're in pain you think oh well they're just having a little dream or you know i watched him on the monitor and he seemed fine and at four something didn't feel right and I watched him on the monitor and he was moving very slowly side to side and I thought this doesn't feel right and I want to go and see him thank god for your instincts lady I know I know and I but I think it's in all of us

and and you know as mums we have this I don't know we just we just know don't we and but anyway Basin Hospital and St Mary's in London I just want to say a huge thank you they were I was in the safest hands ever they absolutely were wonderful and I need to thank them and the ambulance service for arriving so promptly for keeping my son here and it's um yeah God is quite emotional actually talk about that of course it's absolutely brilliant that he's fine now but how are you coping with the aftershock of it because it does have a ripple effect doesn't it it does stay with you yeah i think initially it's like adrenaline i was absolutely fine i think it's like further down the line and actually i don't panic every night i i have a sock that he wears that monitors his oxygen and his heart rate. And I would actually really recommend this to any parent that is worried.

Because you do worry. Let us face it, you worry from the moment they're born. Where do you get such things? It's called the Owly. I think they do different options. So there's like mats when they're newborn. But obviously when they're a bit bigger, they don't sit, they're not asleep in one place, are they?

So it's little socks that they wear that just, it's the same as when they're a bit bigger they don't sit they're not asleep in one place are they so it's little sock that they wear that just um it's the same as when they're in hospital and they have the little um part rate and oxygen monitor on their toe um and it's the same thing and he wears it to bed every night and it's an app on my phone and if anything drops an alarm goes off so actually that is how i sleep at night and how does it go off no, no, no, no. It hasn't gone off. So he's really good. He's on like a preventative plan. So this should, fingers crossed, will never happen again. He's on daily steroid asthma pumps. He's on medication. So hopefully, fingers crossed, we don't have to go. He doesn't have to go through this again.

But I think, yeah, I'm probably worry more than I used to. It's hard to monitor that because I think as parents, we worry, don't we anyway. But I do worry about a lot of things. And I, initially, I was very worried about him getting sick. So I didn't let him mix straight away, because I thought I want him to recover. I want him to get better. And if he does catch a cold. Well, and especially in this era of COVID, because we're all more heightened, aren't we? We're all more aware of particularly anything chesty. Yeah.

And I think actually, I mean, I don't know this for a fact, but I think potentially Romans was born 10 days before COVID. And because he was kept so isolated or literally isolated for six months, he didn't have the chance to fight off viruses so when he was in hospital the test came back they had six viruses so what looked to me as a snotty nose was six viruses so that's what his little body was having to fight and that's potentially why he was so poorly and got to the stage of needing a ventilator but it does make you think if he had been in a normal world at the beginning,

would he have been able to fight those viruses? Would he have already had them and fought them off? Do you know what I mean? He wouldn't have had six at once. Gosh, it makes you think, yeah. It makes you think. So how do you stay calm in a week like this week where he's had a snotty nose?

Does that send you on like hyper alert it does i'm confident in the medical system or what they've given him and in your own strengths you dealt with it brilliantly and it was a really massive like a massive milestone actually for him because most people get something no saying know, saying, you know, the kid gets better, you give him some Calpol or whatever it may be. And with Roman, I'm like, he hasn't wheezed, his oxygen and heart rate has been fine and we've got past a day with a cold. Like, this is huge for us. And it's such a massive achievement in this house.

And actually, it's been a real positive, as much as it was a bit scary when he got it, it's a huge positive for us and that means that it's been a real positive as much as it was a bit scary when he got it. It's a huge positive for us. And that means that it's under control. And it's giving you confidence in life again, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And I just... Day by day. Yeah. And we're good and he's healthy and he's amazing. And I'm just so thankful. I'm just thankful for everyone that looked after him, really.

Yeah. We are very, very lucky to live somewhere where we have an amazing healthcare system, aren't we? That just kicks in and sorts it out. I know you've been really active trying to fundraise since, haven't you? Yeah, so I found out that St Mary's, the PICU, so the paediatric intensive care unit that Roman was in, is actually largely funded by charities that support the NHS, one being Cosmic Charity. And they were just brilliant, even from the moment we get there, that, you know, they're funding equipment that the NHS can't fund. Which is horrific, by the way.

Yeah, this equipment kept my son and thousands of other children alive and and even down to you're in the middle of London we live quite a long way from where the hospital was and they gave us a key and said here's your room down the corridor for as long as you're here um you have a room and a bathroom and if anything happens we have the number of the room and we will call you straight away go and get some sleep and I was like wow this is like it sounds ridiculous but you don't want to leave your child but you have to sleep like you have to so they fund that someone I think donated one and a half million for the the parent accommodation in the hospital and you don't know about these things until you're unfortunately in them and when I left I was like I want to say

thank you so um as a family we donated 10,000 and they're not on Instagram really kindly everyone um donated and we've raised another 10,000 so 20,000 for Cosmic well done you which is amazing and I would love to do some more fundraising I think it's all been a bit of a whirlwind and it hasn't been very long ago so in the future I'd love to do more fundraising for them and spread the word. And but yeah, it's and also I'm helping with the with the garden at Basildon Hospital, which is the hospital, our local one that he initially went into. I realised because of Covid, they couldn't do the maintenance on the kids garden. So the kids garden now is unusable unsafe and Roman when he on the last day when Roman was fighting fit and runs the back door and a few

other children their little faces just dropped when they were told by the staff they can't go outside because it isn't safe and I think a little bit of fresh air for the kids and the parents is super important and um they've got some funding already and I'm helping them along the way and helping with the the big toys and things like that for the already and I'm helping them along the way and helping with the big toys and things like that for the garden. And I'm just really excited because I know the difference that will make on the parents, even for the parents to get five minutes,

breathe a cup of tea outside, do you know what I mean? And have that time. Just to get yourself together, yeah. Just that little bit of fresh air because some people have been a very long time and the kids fresh air and run around, it's so important.

So honestly, it's just something little that I just really really wanted to get involved with and and yeah unfortunately I think a lot of the time you don't realize about these things until you're on the other side of them you know yeah and how was it for Ryan I mean it must have been awful for him being in Manchester when all of this drama is kicking off at home. Yes, I mean, yeah, it wasn't ideal. But he came back as soon as he found out and he wasn't allowed in the hospital initially anyway. Oh, gosh, because of COVID and all of that shenanigans. I hadn't thought about that layer of henchmen.

Yeah, it is tough and it is a rule that i'm a little bit like so wait so only you could go in only one parent could so it's still one parent you know obviously since roman was born all these checkups and all these jabs have always been one parent like i know so many i was lucky i know but intensive care is a different ball game so when we got moved to intensive care at miss mary's we you allowed both parents in. Oh, thanks. Okay, that's good. Because I think that really would be cruel, wouldn't it?

Yeah. But thankfully, we were there together and supporting each other. And yeah. Wow. So what's next for Lucy? What have you got going on? Now that we're all sort of emerging from lockdowns and all that kind of stuff and Raymond's feeling a bit better,

what's on the cards? I'm just really busy with work. We've got loads of exciting stuff coming to RWL. So as well as the programme that I've just launched, we're actually revamping all our pre and postnatal. It's a massive growing part of the business. So it's something that I'm really keen to make amazing. I don't just want to make it workouts and recipes.

I want to make it community. So we already have like breastfeeding support. We have, there's so much on there, midwife support already. But we're going to really make it a journey through pregnancy and after you've given birth and a real, and there's like a platform where all mums and mums speak and communicate with each other, ask questions to professionals. It's just becoming, yeah, I'm really proud of it's it's just becoming yeah I'm

really proud of it and I think now that I'm I've been through it I've got such a passion about it well I was gonna say so if I guess now that you've been through pregnancy birth first year how who were your support people who were your go-to's who did you lean on other than Ryan obviously I mean I was in lockdown for after I had my treatment which is nuts isn't it it's crazy so everything was virtual nothing was face to face and that is my biggest tip actually to anyone that is out of lockdown just go and meet someone for a coffee you know meet people face-to-face have that communication because I massively missed that and I yeah it's quite hard I think a lot of people

say grief don't they they miss that part of like the first six months of Roman's life because you don't get it back you can't you don't and you and I know this sounds silly but especially when it's your first baby because it's all new and it's all like you haven't got another one to look after and things so these things should have been really special times and the first time, and you're never going to get that again. But anyway, it was for me, a lot of friends that had babies. So it was lots of 3am WhatsApps

or even I'd put something on Instagram like night feed and then I'd have loads of DMs and we'd all just chat away. That's one of the real positives of Instagram, isn't it? The community that it brings. It is. You know, you can say, we can say there's so many pros and cons about social media, but it brings people together.

It connects people. You can find people with a similar interest to you, depending on who you're following. And it meant that I didn't feel so isolated. You know, those night feeds at the beginning are brutal. They are. You feel like you've just blinked don't you and then it's another one and you're like what well you've not been asleep yet and then and then just to top it off you're like oh they need a nappy change and then they pee and poo all over the bed and you're just like do i have the energy to change it? I know. I know. We've all been there. But yeah, I'd say, and for me, actually, at 10 weeks, I was like, something is not right.

He's feezing every hour. He's like really sick, really bad diarrhea. Like he just doesn't seem right. And I got a lactation consultant, Stacey, and she changed my life. I didn't even know a lactation consultant was an actual thing oh tell me about it the two who I used one with my first one with my second I think they deserve

angel status absolute angel status they tell me what did they fix for you so after speaking to Stacey on the phone for an hour and I'm probably crying most of it um predominantly tears was that conversation um she said I think Roman's got tongue tie because he was feeding every hour for 10 weeks, maybe more. And then I told her, I then said, I really doubt my supply, my milk supply. So I've been topping up with formula

because I just think that I can't be producing enough. Why is he so hungry? And then I was saying the aftermath of him having formula, how bad his tummy was. And she said, it sounds also like he could have a cow's milk allergy. And then she referred me to some specialists. And yep, it was confirmed he had delayed cow's milk protein allergy and he had a posterior tongue tie that we had um cut and

within two days I had like a different child isn't it fascinating it was unbelievable and then it made me think how different my first 10 weeks may have been if I had found this out earlier and then I was like well why do we not know about this earlier where is these people we can turn to do you know what I mean it is you suddenly realize this whole world that you never knew existed before and um and it was brilliant so I went back to solely breastfeeding I cut out um I cut out cow's milk in my diet which I'm not gonna lie to you no dairy no cheese as a new mum was brutal I just missed I had I was just eating tea and biscuits. Yeah, because you want all of those calories, don't you? Yeah. So I had to change my diet for, and I did that for seven months. I

changed my diet. And then I reintroduced it and he was fine. And I was like, yes, I can have chocolate and cheese again. So what did you eat if you couldn't eat chocolate and cheese? Exactly. What did I eat? I can't even remember but yeah no she's so stacy i just yeah she was amazing and i yeah lactation consultants are a thing i honestly had no idea that that was a thing how crazy that i didn't even know my gift to friends when they have babies is i write the phone number of mine in the card for them that's a brilliant gift when it's 1am and it's all going wrong call her because seriously she'll solve all your problems it is all about support i think with breastfeeding it's really tough and i think a lot of it is support and finding that support network it really really

is i wish we could just gift it to everybody so okay now that we're getting towards the end of our episode we tend to ask the same three questions of all of our guests. I'm going to give you the first one. Ready? How do you want Roman to think of you as he's growing up? Oh, my God, that's so hard. I think you want them to see you as a strong woman, like as a strong woman, but fun. And I don't know. I want him to see that I work. And I don't know, it's quite hard. Sorry, I can't put this into like... No, that's good. I like a strong woman.

That's a great thing to say. And also good fun. And hopefully he can come and talk to me whenever he needs to, approachable as well. Because I want him to always share everything with me. Maybe not everything, but most things. A little edit. We'd like a little edit to go in there okay then we go

to a really lightweight question what's for tea and who's cooking we are not that organized in this house it's friday night so it probably will be a delivery food app um yeah it's probably pizza night tonight i mean i think balance with diet. And does Roman eat with you or do you eat separately? I'm fascinated by how everyone manages this dynamic in their household. Breakfast and lunch we have together. Dinner he has at five o'clock and we have when he's gone to bed. So it's a slightly more relaxing experience.

And what times are you going to bed these days? Seven. Nice. And is he a good go-to-bedder or are we wrestling that baby into that cot? You know what? He was awful at the beginning, so that's why I'm saying this now

because I think I deserve it. He is brilliant. He literally, I just, I give him his bottle, I put his dummy in and I just drop him in his cot. Well, not just drop him, I place him in his cot. We don't want social services coming around. No, I know, I don't mean like that. We don't want social services coming around. No, I know. I don't mean like that.

Oh, that sounded awful. I place him very gently in his cot and he's out like a light. He's brilliant, actually. That's actually a really good message for mums out there and dads who are struggling with bad newborn sleepers. There is light at the end of the tunnel. It does change, doesn't end of the tunnel it does change doesn't it oh it does everything is temporary everything is a phase and you know and you can make slight tweaks i think to help things out or get advice from people because there's so many

people now that we've at our fingertips um but yeah the beginning is hard but it does get better i promise it does now last question i hope you've been warned about this one if you haven't well good luck i haven't um we're talking of bedtime we like each of our guests to sing us their lullaby what is it that you sing to roman when he can't sleep oh i don't think i do is that okay listeners she just physically recoiled at that question she threw herself back in her chair i actually don't know what i oh no i do i'm not gonna sing it but i know i'm not doing it i'm so sorry but you are my sunshine that is that is i do do that one we should have another we're talking about we should have leaderboards about which people are good at getting their tech going for

these uh recordings that we do but the other leaderboard we need is which lullabies get sung the most and you know what that's the most popular yeah you and joe wicks who else loads of people sing that i don't even know where it came from you know when you're like i don't even remember when that i last heard that but it just came we just yeah it's strange isn't it it is and who's the singer you or ryan i mean i will sing to him ryan wouldn't but ryan's definitely got a more pleasing voice than i do interesting i never knew that yeah the thomas is a good the thomas's are um are quite good singers actually ah yeah and who is bedtime go-to parent is it you do you take it in turns how do you organize it turns we take it in turns um we're quite good like that you know um ryan actually did bedtime

last night my friend called me i went upstairs for a little bit longer than the call um i just accidentally fell asleep oh yeah no i was like oh I'm just I'm just gonna take this call and then he did bath time and um bedtime and I was like about 10 past seven I was like yeah look checked my phone on the monitor and I was like sleep I'm gonna come back down now sometimes sometimes putting the laundry away takes a lot longer than you would think yeah to be honest though Roman I should be banking them now why he's really easy to put down because I'm sure I've I've heard the transition from cot to bed which I'm Roman's 20 months so I'm sure that's coming at some point do you know my advice on that one would be keep them in the cot as long

as possible when we took my son out my goodness it was terrible one I'll tell you something one evening my husband came in from work and I was sitting in the hallway outside my son's bedroom with all of my son's bedroom furniture in the hallway with me because he had decided as I put him to bed that he didn't want anything in his room and was going to remove it all oh just don't just don't even get there and then you think and you do you never think oh I would never like if someone told you that yeah you think i'm never gonna be that person no i'm never gonna be that parent i never do that but you would do anything at that point to get them to sleep so would okay so it's your turn tonight then that's a bit of a bummer yeah it's my time no do you know what i actually i actually enjoy bedtime i'm sure it's gonna get hard as he gets older but i actually really enjoy it i do love it when they because they feel like a baby they still they snuggle in and you think

this isn't going to last forever i'm actually going to there are you know there's some hard hard things about being a parent some lovely things and actually bedtime is quite lovely it is it's the diet it's probably the nicest yeah nicest bit of the day right then lucy you've been a fabulous guest thank Thank you so much. I'm sure Wendy will be very sad to have missed you. I'm going to leave you to go and get on with your day and to come up with all of your excuses about why you're not going to work out.

I know, it's bad, isn't it? I haven't even done that thing where I put gym wear on and then never actually do the workout today. I've actually, I'm just gone straight to lounge wear. You know it's not happening. You know it's not happening. Probably not today. It's Friday.

You know, we'll start on Monday. And i think that's okay and that is okay everything's okay right go and have a fab weekend thank you so much thank you so much