The Netmums Podcast - S1 Ep61: Katie Price on managing her mental health, co-parenting and surrogacy

Episode Date: November 30, 2021

Listen as the glamour model turned businesswoman and mum of five, tells us why she wants more babies, what REALLY drove her to the Priory and why, in her own words, she hates her kids' dads!  WARNING: this episode contains discussion on miscarriage and suicide, which some listeners may find distressing. For support after miscarriage, Netmums is a proud champion of Tommy’s – visit them at Tommys.org, and for support with suicidal thoughts, we recommend calling the Samaritans, on 116 123. Katie's book, Harvey and Me: A Mother's Love (Mirror Books) is on sale now.

This episode comes with a trigger warning because it contains discussion on miscarriage and suicide, which some listeners may find distressing. For support after miscarriage, Netmums is a proud champion of Tommies. Visit them at tommies.org. And for support with suicidal thoughts, we recommend calling the Samaritans on 116 123. You're listening to Sweat, Snot and Tears, brought to you by Netmums. I'm Annie O'Leary and I'm Wendy Gollage and together we talk about all of this week's sweaty, snotty and tearful parenting moments with guests who are far more interesting than we are

Hello lovely listeners I've got the cold so I'm sorry if my usually beautiful voice is affected by that bear with and please be kind Wendy, what's going on in your world? Well, it's a bit of a shit show, if I'm honest. Please, will you share with our listeners what happened to you at trampolining this week? Because

it might be the best thing I've ever heard. So my kids go trampolining at a kind of like, it's like a Christian centre in the middle of a town near us. And a man came up to me and he was a lovely man. He was a little old man and he handed me a leaflet and he said, I've never seen anyone look more in need of finding God than you. And I was like, oh, right. Thanks, mate. Why do you think you looked so in need of God? Well, I've been watching trampolining for an hour. Anyone would look in need of God after that, to be honest.

It's the absolute best thing anyone's ever said to anyone. What did you say in response? I didn't blaspheme, but it was tricky. And then I just said, sorry, mate, I've got three kids to sort out. And I ran out the door. Excellent. But speaking of kids, children darlings are home because there's a beepity beep in inset day who has an inset day mid-november for christ's sake

that's absolutely ridiculous what have you done with them tied them up with a skipping rope basically yeah it's a bit like our guest has just told us what she's done to keep her dogs quiet while we're recording this I've done something something similar, but it's not pig's ears, it's chocolate, basically. The only way to go. But speaking of our guest, I'm really excited. Shall we introduce her? She's a bit too exciting to keep quiet about. So today we have got, are you ready?

Drum roll. Katie Bloody-Price. Hello, Katie. Welcome, welcome, welcome. welcome good morning and thanks for having me as you can see it's chaotic in my house and literally i've only been awake half an hour me making my crumpets and tea makeup people and tv people are vibing and i've got the fire on so it's hectic and i haven't even started and if you just bear with me two minutes i'm putting the dog out the front door because he's a protection dog and everyone's scared of him in here it's hectic and I haven't even started and if you just bear with me two minutes I'm putting the dog out the front door because he's a protection dog and everyone's scared of him

in here it's all right off she goes to put the dog out oh what if it's not the kids I'm moaning at it's the bloody dogs I know they are like my mum always says it's like having children who don't grow up no that's husbands hello Hello. Hello, everyone listening. Good morning. Now, Katie, the first question that we always ask, and it sounds like there's been a lot of all three, maybe, but we always ask, has there been any sweat, snot or tears in the Price household this morning? Do you know what? There's not been sweat, snot and tears because I haven't got the kids here today ah we're not lucky I actually hate it and if there's any mums or dads out there who will appreciate that when you split up and you have to do the 50 50 I hate it oh learn to get used to because then you think well then I get time for myself are you very organized and they go to their dads at the same time or do you sort of

juggle it so you've always got one of them um it's 50 50 obviously I always had Harvey but Harvey now at his um college so right every weekend yeah and then the others I split 50 50 yeah and is he loving his college? Is he settled in? Well, yeah, we're doing, I don't know if you saw the BBC documentary I did on him, but everyone loved it. I'm in the middle of filming the other one. Actually, I've nearly finished it now. Nice. So yeah, all Harvey wants to do is just have kisses and cuddles from me.

And I love it because he's 19 and all he wants to do is stroke his forehead, he says. I say to him, do you want me to tickle your head, Harv? And he goes, no, just my forehead, mum, tickle it and kiss it. Oh, God, he's so gorgeous. What I love about Harvey is he'll always be a big baby. And when your kids get older, they get to the age sometimes where they're like, mum, don't walk next to me because my friends will see and you can't hold them. Walking behind, don't embarrass me. Don't do this. So I go for all of that with the other kids.

But with Harvey, he always wants to hold my hand, always wants me to kiss him and cuddle him. See, look how many mums can say their 19 year old wants to hold their hand. It's like, get off, mum, you're embarrassing. No, I love it. So in a way, I'm lucky because I've got that baby forever. I mean, they're all my babies. But, you know, as they grow up, I mean, I was the same. I think I was the age about 11.

And, you know, when you'd go into town with your mum and you know that your other friends are probably in town with their mums, you're like, mum, don't walk near me. Your poor mum. Your mum is so lovely. I know. Do you know what I mean? And I'm doing that with my kids.

I went through stage with Junior when I just wanted to give him a kiss. He's like, mum, get off. It's that uncomfortable. Get off. Oh, but he's too cool for school now, isn't he? He's all like... Yeah, he's a proper teenager. Proper teen.

Yeah, he's just out and about doing his music. So, yeah, he's non-existent at the minute, out and about founding a new life. Princess, on the other hand, every day, if it's not a nail picture, because I always get my nails done with Princess as well. Mum, why don't we do this colour, this colour? And she tells me about her score.

I mean, me and her, our relationship's different because she's definitely a mini me. We love hair, makeup. Although her dad doesn't like her wearing makeup and that. I'm the household where she does and she can explore and be like that teenager. But, you know, it's good for a parent and one easy going. Yeah, it's a good balance. It's a good balance. So tell us, what would a normal morning be like

if they were all there? Would it just be absolute chaos? You know, it hasn't, I can't remember the last time they were all here because remember, Harvey's now there. Well, okay,

let me think of the time when they were chaos. The morning was chaos because trying to get all their uniforms on to come down for breakfast you know because they don't want to get out of bed and it's like come on get out of bed and I feel like I'm working in the army I feel like military come on this are you good in the morning are you good at getting

up I don't have all nannies and stuff like that it's just quicker to do it myself so I just do it myself so Jet and Bunny they're pretty good. What I find helps, if you get their uniform out the night before, late. Yes. I find it saves time in the morning because there's nothing worse than if they can't find a sock. Oh, God, it's terrible. It's hair bubbles in my house. It's always like getting out the door.

Oh, the amount of bubbles in that I buy. Oh, someone eats them i swear to god there's a hair where did they go where did they actually go because you buy a cracker and then they're disappearing yeah the washing machine eats socks i swear oh my dog eats socks i know where the socks go they're literally coming out the other end of the dog a lot of the time but yeah in the morning yeah i'm pretty organized like I am in the evening I've always had this thing I love um night times because I am I'm not a clean freak as is such but I'm so you have to have a bath yeah lean pajamas all that it's that's something I've always done I love

even though they moan about it oh I don't want to get the bath this that I make them do it and then after some like how do you feel do you feel nice cozy and clean they're like yes and I'm like see all that moaning for nothing oh but that's what I love about babies that's one of my favorite bits when they're really little it's when you get them out of the bath and they're all fluffy. That's why I want another baby. But no, not allowed. Join the club. I'm 43. Snap!

And this is the thing, right? So I'm 43 and I went, obviously I want more kids. But because I... How many more? How many more are we going to get? Do you want to know the truth? If I'd had natural births, I would have been going on and on. But I've had four cesareans.

I've had one natural birth and four cesareans and they weren't by choice I had to have a junior because it was all short coming out I don't know I don't really know the ins and outs and then they say once you've had a cesarean you might as well just stick to it so because there's always a risk and now I've had four because the last two were really premature and they didn't make full term so I had no choice they had to come out quick yeah so cesarean wise I have seen a doctor and I can have another one just one I'm now 43 and your eggs get lower and I'm like oh my god because I feel young but your body still ages whether you like it or not well you better crack on then love yeah come on i am well at least that bit's not too bad you know there were worse things you could have to do well if not i will do a surrogate if not would you really absolutely with um obviously colds

bits and mine together because where we've discussed with doctors only because I'm weak inside now because my last two were premature they've already said that if I do fall pregnant or if I do it through IVF which is another option we're looking at because we have been trying for ages and it's not happened so we have gone down the IVF route to see that they said um even at 12 weeks if I get to 12 weeks I'd have to do the emergency stitch, which I had with Bunny. Yeah. Right. So it's all complicated.

And the best bit is they call you a geriatric mother if you got pregnant now, which I think is the most insulting thing ever. It is such a rude term. Age is just a number. It is. So what is it that you love about having the babies then? Do you love being pregnant? Do you love just the newborns? Do you having the babies then? Do you love being pregnant? Do you love just the newborns?

Do you love the toddlers? Do you love all of it? What is it? I love the love. You give them, it's unconditional love. And it doesn't matter what day you have or anything. You come home and it's your family and their faces. And I know when they get to a certain age,

they start back chatting and that, but that's part and parcel. They grow out of but I just love just love the family I love babies I just love every bit of it the pregnancy not so much because I get really bad sciatica Annie and I are pukers we're like we're the pukers it's awful do you know no one understands it no and if one more person offers you a ginger bloody biscuit you shove it up their ass honestly and it's like you could make arrangements to like go to sin while go for dinner but then as soon as you feel sick you're like i have to cancel you just want to lie on bed in the fetus position and just rock yourself to sleep it's yeah and the thing

is i'm never actually sick i reach to be sick but never sick it's that I'd rather be sick and then feel fine but that doesn't happen I know because I am sick and you don't feel fine if I'm honest I was sick on the tube in my handbag and I was still you don't feel any better horrible but anything I say to people who are pregnant and they're like oh I feel sick I say well at least you know the baby's fine because when you feel sick you know it's all still working does that make sense yeah it's true it's true you would panic if it ended overnight wouldn't you yes but you've suffered miscarriages as well haven't you actually yeah um yes the the longest I went i think it was about 14 weeks actually it's before i did the london marathon and i remember when i ran it had died in me um so they had to take all the bits out

so i remember the day before that happening and when i ran the london marathon the first time i remember running but you know when it's i'm'm not being crude, bits are still coming out. And I still, because I didn't want to let the charity down because it was for charity, vision charity at the time. And I ran the marathon the next day after and I was really heavy. Does that make sense? Heavy. Oh, Katie, you're poor Katie.

I look back, I'm like, all I have memories of that run was I had the baby that had gone the day before and i still had to run the london marathon it was it was that's really yeah but um i think that's the worst and i yeah and you know i went when i was in vegas the other week i went to this place um what was it called carl the body expo the real body expo if anyone goes there and i was shocked because they had pictures of babies fetuses like where they come out of even a six weeks old baby they have it like in a jar and they go up and i'm so shocked how quickly babies develop i know you get the book out i'm quite old-fashioned i like getting the books out and seeing what stages you're at.

But when I actually saw it in the glass, I took pictures of it, actually, all of them, because I was gobsmacked how quick babies grow. They might be small, but all their bones and everything are all there. It's really shocking how quickly they look like little people, isn't it? That's what I mean. And when you lose babies at eight weeks and then when then when I saw the the baby or the fetus they call it um how developed it is at eight weeks it was quite upsetting it quite hit me thinking Jesus you know I've lost babies like that and they they actually are when you look them close up babies. They're your little people. But it is but I always say to people it you'll never save until that baby's born so you've always got to be careful and I remember the doctor telling me if you can get a baby to like

28 weeks because I remember I had this with Bunny because my waters broke about 22 so I had to do a stitch as long as you could get to 28 weeks it should be fine because if we don't do this stitch now and we risk her being born there'll be a chance there'll be lots of things wrong with her so how early was bunny then in the end how long did you go um we reckon she was about 30 weeks or something okay gosh that's still really early isn't it obviously my waters broke when i was in france with him um i was on holiday my waters broke so six weeks in French hospital flipping out and you still want to have more babies lady yes because it's not their fault it's it's I think I get tested seriously woman if you get pregnant again would you just bloody

lie down for this one yeah in a cushioned room please please. But then again, look at Harvey. Perfect pregnancy. Absolute perfect. He was the best pregnancy I had, Harvey. And I, you know, had all the scans and didn't know anything was wrong with him about his eyes and stuff. And then look, six weeks after. And that journey started. And I stuck to everything you should do. When it's your first pregnancy, I think a lot of women stick to textbook. Don't eat cheese or fish and this and, you know.

Yeah. And I did everything. And I still question what was it, why I've asked the doctors. They just said it's just one of them things, you know. I think nowadays when they can do scans, they can check the eyes to see if there's an optic nerve or something. Now, I'm not sure. That's very clever if they can.

But, you know, I wouldn't change Harvey for anything. see if there's an optic nerve or something now I'm not sure that's very clever if they can but you know I wouldn't change Harvey for anything so it just goes to show even if you do everything to the textbook you never know till the baby's born pregnancy and birth is just the most complicated unpredictable isn't it it's just like a whole other experience look while we're talking about this it's making me think the reason I think you're so popular and so kind of beloved by the nation is that you're so open and honest and you're so willing to talk about all the things that everybody goes through in their life in a way that a lot of people in the public eye aren't willing to talk about. Right. Are you as open

and honest with your kids as you are with all of us? Let me just say one thing. You're exactly right. I've been in the industry since I was 17. And I never lie about anything because you always get caught out. I always tell the truth and then I get called, oh, you're a liar, liar. Then the truth comes out and they're like, oh, she was telling the truth. Same with surgery. I could name so many celebrities out there who have had surgery,

face surgery, but they're still like, oh, I'm natural, I'm on name them name them i don't care embrace it if you've had stuff don't say it and it's like with my children they know what i'm i just say it as it is i i am open and you know it might have got me into trouble sometimes but i can't help who I am I'm not one of these people who are manufactured managed to be manufactured in a certain way to look perfect to the public now there's a lot of celebrities out there who you see on tv and stuff and they are not who you think they are because behind the scenes they are not what you think is what I'm trying to say well we see a lot of that, interviewing lots of people on this podcast, don't we?

We certainly do. And what I will say about you is, and I interviewed you, I don't know if you probably remember this, but years ago when you were pregnant with Junior, I interviewed you and you've always been exactly as you are on camera as off and on the record as off the record. You are just one person which is amazing I know because people oh thank you for that because people always say oh you must switch it on for

cameras that I'm like no I'm in a having a shit day you know I'm having a shit day you've talked really openly about your mental health as well and said like that you're open about needing help you're open about kind of saying oh I needed that today that's so useful for people out there who follow you because so many people don't talk about that stuff now the thing is with me I a lot of a lot of people have read my books they will see from like the age of seven I was attacked in a park and so I suppose it's because I've been in the priory um you they it's weird because they it starts off with your childhood now this is important for anyone who's listening anything your kids see at a young age would affect them when they're older

even if you don't think it they do and they take you back to the most memories that you've got and anyway mine sort of started around the age of seven and I've always had problems with guys from the age of seven you know either trying to get them in their car or doing stuff to me so that was that and then I started the industry um and the media is a different world. They can create you to how they want you to be created or perceived by people. You can't control that. You can have the best PR person in the world. If the media want to write stuff, they will write it.

I've come to the conclusion, let me just go back to mental health. So the first time I went into the Priory, it wasn't because I just woke up one day and thought, oh, I'm going crazy. Or it was a build up of events. Now, the build up of events. Someone could have one event in their life. Someone could say perhaps die in their life early. And it will affect them for the rest of their life and their mental health. You know, there's no comparing everyone yeah everyone's unique

aren't they with me I had a lot lot lot lot lot to get me to be suicidal the reason I'm still here today is every time I tried to kill myself before I went in the priory it was I had a flash of the kids faces going mom no mom and that stopped me every. Then I went into the priory to get help. Now, I went in there the first time. I don't know why everyone always thinks I've gone in there for drink and drugs and rehab. That's not the case at all. But when I do my next work, eventually, I will say one day, but I don't think people believe how much I have taken as a human being. You're forgetting my hijack at gunpoint two years ago, my free kidnap threats, you know, my rapes, my turbulent relationships, lawyers, men wanting

money off me. You know, then I've had to deal with Harvey. I mean, there's just so much. And then you just break. And, you know, when people ask you, are you okay? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. It's one of them when inside you want to cry and say, I'm actually not fine, please. No. First time in the private a couple of years ago. And the recent events, what people might have read about the car crash that I had. Now, it will come out, the events leading up to that. So I think people think I just got in my car drunk and drove.

That is. Yeah yeah I did do that and but there's my mental health there's a reason what happened the build-up of events which is why I went in the priory again so and it's absolutely shocking what I've just had to go through again three incidents have happened to me again the past four months which led to that and I'm gutted um but I'm dealing with it so now I went back in the Priory a week before my car crash I went to the Priory week before and said look I need help because of what's happened and I told him what happened I got a phone call the day of my car accident and that was that was the switch so anyway come out the private again so I've made a decision which is good for me is every week now I see my therapist and once a month my

consultant brilliant and I'm starting a course called dbt it's about distress tolerance emotions relationships when I say relationships relationships relationships with your kids relationships with a workplace you could be in a shop or your partner just all different things how to deal with stress how to deal with incidents shocking incidents I mean I can deal with general stress because I live life in the fast lane but what triggers me off their triggers is when it's about my family kid right or me else I'm fine with and unfortunately the events that have happened to me are to do with them three things so yeah I see a fabulous each week and now I know that I can rant at him and not everyone else close to me because you do find that I have found unfortunately anyone listening you'd probably agree with me when you're stressed or anything you take it out on the

ones near you they're like your punch bag they get all your emotions and it's not fair on them so that's why now I go to the therapist and he helps you cope with situations learns to accept what's happened with things and then helps you get to plan b and do you think you're coping with life better as a result of doing that so it's not i've been coping with life fine it's just this is what i'm trying to say to it's the incidents that are the right now i don't didn't ask for any of these incidents to happen but they're quite serious incidents so i was doing so well since the last primary visit um a couple of years ago and then bang bang bang it's like whoa oh they're all in three and it's just it's sad but now I know

by seeing the therapist weekly and stuff I think anyone would benefit it just helps you cope with what life throws at you doesn't it well yeah you can't control those big things that that other people do you can only control how you react can't but this is another thing because in the private they teach there's a lot of people in there with high profile jobs like businesses and they can't you know they've got deadlines and it stresses and it causes a mental health because they're seen as this person but inside they're crumbling so you're in there for different reasons and you get worksheets and I did some on my friends and my family I said look these are some of the worksheets I said so on a couple of people I did the stress ones I said answer these questions about stress and mine come up moderate but then some of my friends and the family I did it on

theirs was a lot lot higher than me and I said see you would benefit coming in the priory yeah it is a mental health hospital but I think they think it's full of like people who are sectioned this and that it's not about that there's all different sections in the priory like my mum gets saying you need to go back to rehab I'm like mum I'm not in rehab well it is I said no mum it's so misconstrued isn't it what people think about having help for your mental health. But it's funny, like even the papers now, they're like, oh, she's gone back in rehab. She'd come back from Vegas. She's gone in rehab. I've never been in rehab.

Not the first time or the second time I was in there for general. I've got to ask, I just can't figure out how you do it. How do you cope with all the shit that's written in the papers because some of it might be true some of it's not true like you just said the media can make you out to be whoever they want to make you do you read it do you not how do you not go bonkers there's a lot of people in this room at the minute they're all setting up and they say to me every day kate i i feel sorry i don't know all setting up and they say to me every day Kate I feel sorry I don't know how you do it they say I don't know how you do it because they didn't see

me as me and how they see the papers they're like how can they do this to you it's just not true how can they literally just write that blatantly isn't true and I tried to put on my Instagram a story because I'm commenting on I'm a celebrity every night how one paper they've all watched my same clip but how one paper makes it different to the other but they saw the same clip it's yeah if you want to know the truth that's a reason one of the reasons that I went in the private the first time and the second time because the media have a lot to answer for but then that just makes me think, are you never tempted to just get on your horse and gallop away,

get the kids and scoot them up and hide somewhere? These are the words from my mouth, okay? I do not care if I'm ever in the tabloids ever again. I do not care. I'm done with it. But they continue to write about me I like to do now my YouTube my social media stuff my my like questions my family brand my baby stuff that I'm doing I want to do that I do not ask to be in the papers I do not care if they ever write about me again I'm I'm done with them I'm absolutely done they've

like how can I say people can say yeah but you you know they made me and I made them it's give and take it's a game you have to know how to do the game to be in this industry now there was a time when it was good I would do my press calls or I'll turn up to record and the paps are there. And you know, you're giving them what they want and vice versa. But then when it comes to your house and them having drones and stuff, but over your house or they're hiding in the bushes at the end of your drive, then they're all following you up the road. You'll be in watch, you'll be in stult.

And then when I see pictures in the papers and I'm like, how the hell did they get out? I didn't even see the photographer. It's wrong because it makes me paranoid. And there should be a law because the amount of times I've called the police because there's been a group of guys taking pictures of me and they say they're paps. And then when I phone the police and say, oh, I've got these five people on my case and I'm getting answer. They're taking my pictures and now they're trying to follow me in the car. As soon as I say it's case price, they're like, oh, well, it's not really what we could do. It's because your industry. If my name was Linda or something, I went, I've got five guys following me.

This piece will be on their case because they're stalkers. So any basically anyone out there can follow me off a camera and say they're a pack. But I've had stalkers in the past where it has gone to call so for me it's it's very you know as much as being a mum and I love being a mum with my kids and I'm at home and I'm trying to work but I also get anxiety now because I feel I'm being watched but I know it's not in my head because I know I am I can't see where they're taking pictures and that of me and it does affect you mentally and then of course it does someone takes a picture they pull it in the paper and make up a story to go with it now my kids are at an age where they read things now I was going to say how do the

kids cope with the press well bunny at school she gets comments from other kids um there was a time when I was wearing wigs because I'm trying to let my hair grow you know um because I was getting bored I think from stress and stuff um I remember bunny saying mum some of the kids at school saying why does your mum wear wigs and your mum wears wigs and she's got fake boobs and that. And I mean, she's only like seven. And quite frankly, what's wrong with wearing wigs and having fake boobs? It's not like it's something, it's so odd. Like, it's not a normal thing you would say.

It's not a normal conversation at school. Because I mean, it's a unique job I do. So it's not a normal conversation kids would normally have their friends and Jet says mum my friends always say why is your mum famous what does she do and they ask me these questions whereas June and Princess are at the age they know everything because they've lived and breathed it as well but it is tough on them um because what do you say my job isn't like any other parents out there do you think there's any chance they'll go into the industry themselves Jet and Bunny won't but Princess and Junior will where Junior's already just signed his record deal so he's I know his

album and single are going to be out soon anyway Princess one million percent will she loves all her YouTube stuff and the thing is that is the way forward social is so different from when I started I mean I sometimes get off because you see some of these people who say I'm an influencer it's like what a load of bollocks you're just half naked on Instagram airbrushing your pictures which are catfish and don't look like you and then you get paid all this money to do posts and I bet if we met you in life you don't look like you and then you get paid all this money to do posts and I bet if we met you in life you don't look like that whereas me I've been in the industry since I was 17 grafted grafted there was no social media I've actually made my way up here through

hard work no airbrushing nothing like that but now anyone can just be famous and get money just like that and it I wonder if some of these other girls would cope doing what I've done how many years I've had to put up with this this that the whole does it make you worry though about Princess and Junior going into the industry it being what it is now do you know they're so so switched on they've seen it all with us they've seen it they know half the stuff's rubbish and they've got us around them who we know it inside they're so switched on I don't worry about them at all one of the questions I was going to ask is how successfully do you co-parent with the kids dads like is it hard like let's you know you said Get it. I'll stop you there. I hate the dads.

And I have. Okay. That's easy. The priory number one and the priory number two. That's all I'm saying as well. Right. My relationship with them are non-existent. I'm blocked from one of the parents' dads.

And it was always lawyers, lawyers. And now I refuse to do lawyers, lawyers, but luckily they're old enough that I can talk to them direct. So one dad, there's just absolute no contact. He tries to control me all the time. Right. And the other dad, I can't bear him, but we talk for the kids. I was going to say, you must have say, you must have to for the kids.

And I'm definitely telling people here, never, ever use your kids as a pawn. If you hate your other parent, don't let the kids know and just do what's best for the kids. You want a happy home when they come to you, happy home when they go to them. Don't argue in front of them and, like, just be happy for them. And then what you say behind closed doors when you argue doesn't matter because the kids don't hear it.

But with the kids, I never say, oh, you're not seeing the kids because of this and that. I don't think parents – and, like, even when I've split up with the dads of mine, we've always agreed 50 50 because you've got to think of the kids um and I hear these horror stories where some women might hold the kids back and won't let them see the dads but just because they've got a problem with the dads it's not the kids fault so always think of them kids they want their mum and their dad you know unless there's circumstances where they can't or you know it goes down into unless they're abusive this and that obviously that's different

but I always say to women that what you've got to remember when your kids get older you never want them to come to you say why didn't you do this or why didn't you ever do that and that's what you have to remember you just let your kids see both parents if that if it's you know some people split for different reasons but what I'm saying is never use the kids ever just because you hate your other half it's a very good lesson so what's next for Katie where do we go from here what have you got going on well today of all days I'm doing my equestrian range which is the best thing like mental health can I just say something? If you're feeling stressed or anything, doing hobbies, going for walks,

if you've got dogs, all different things. Yeah, getting outside. Since I was seven, I've always been into my horses. You've always loved horses. I love a horsey too. Live and breathe. Have you got a horse, did you, Sel? No, I really really I'm trying to

persuade my husband to get one for me and my daughter at the moment because I like you I grew up on the back of a horse I started when I was three and nothing makes me feel happier or calmer or more chilled out it's the best thing all my kids ride and I love what a mean princess ride bunnies started to ride but all she wants to do is go fast you'll get hurt they don't care at that age she's like mom i want to can you've got no fear when you're a kid the things i worry about now that i did on the back of a horse when i was little but it never occurred to me that it was dangerous so anyway today i've got my question range coming out so i'm doing a shoot with my horses and my new range and then a baby range coming out called little pricey when's it out and where can we buy it Katie it'll all be online because cool why do I want to pull it out in the shop and then pay

distributors and then pay shop true that anyone who's starting to starting up a business if there's any mums in at home try and do online stuff it's so much easier because you've got no overheads you've got it's just easier quicker and you see where it's all going so yeah so the equestrian range the baby range I've obviously got my makeup and that out Harvey's but Harvey and me our books out at the moment lovely I will be doing oh yeah I'm doing I've just finished my channel four show I've nearly finished the show look show. I've nearly finished the show. Look at me. I'm so busy just reeling it off.

I'm trying to think with this. I actually don't know when you have time to breathe. I don't. I do like watching my drama series. Oh, what do you watch? I need a new series. Give us a tip. Angela Black.

That is like, it was weird why that was on and I was in the priory. I'm like, this is a bit like what I'm going through. But Angela Black's good. The Tower, that's a good one. These are like on BBC and ITV Hub. I just love them, like Silent Witness, I love. Have you watched Bade on Netflix? Oh, no, I've not watched that. It's so good.

About a woman escaping an abusive partner. It's brilliant does it get better because I'm up to the bit there where go on she's now

she's dropped her child off to her nutty mother yes oh the mum and did you know in real life that's her mum and in with

yeah it's the actress's mum I did I've started then I've watched the squid game so I'm bored of that. I don't like Squid Game.

But yeah, I love, and that's a good way to switch off. I look forward to, especially in the winter, when you get all the winter shows, like Now I'm a Celeb started, and then like Shritley's coming in, you've got Dancing on Ice coming. I get so excited at night coming home, knowing there's something on telly.

It's the best feeling isn't it getting all cozy boring I am so but I say to people all I want to do is go home sit on the sofa for a cup of tea and watch telly or get a takeaway or I cook and have people over I'm not into going out and all of that I just love being at home I'm so boring yet people don't think I'm like that I am a homebody I love it, that leads us on to a very important question that we ask everyone. Katie Price, what's for tea? What's for tea?

Well, it would probably be a KFC because I'm on my way to Cheltenham after here. Oh, well, there you go. It would be one of them petrol station stoppy jobbies on the way up. If the kids were with you, what it be oh my god so bunny and jet love sushi they absolutely love sushi but then if i cook they're upset they like me cooking carbonara because i do it i don't use all the bits i do it from scratch make all the sauce

and then they like my roast dinner it's all about the roasts um right last last question of all nearly tripped myself up then wendy do you want to ask or shall i can because you're ill okay special treat for you because you're ill this is the best question we ask it of all of our guests okay you've got to imagine that wendy and i are two of your children and you're tucking us up into bed and we can't sleep. Sing us the lullaby you would sing us. Oh, I always hold them anyway. So this is good because you can ask any of my kids

when I get them out the bath. I've always done it since they were a kid and I'll still do it to Harvey. I'll go, Rock-a-bye baby on the treetops. I'll sing that one. When it blows, the cradle will will and then they say the last bit ah well on that note ms price we shall leave you to get on with your busy busy busy busy busy busy

day well thank you so much you've been a brilliant guest um and as open and honest and uh real as ever thank you so much katie thank you katie bye