The Netmums Podcast - S1 Ep62: Lorraine Kelly and daughter Rosie Kelly Smith, on mums and daughters

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

Listen as mother and daughter journalists and co-hosts of their podcast 'What if?', discuss working together and the choices that got them where they are today. Lorraine reveals the stories she's never been able to get over in her 29 years of working in news and television, while Rosie explains why she's decided to follow in her mum's footsteps.

You're listening to Sweat, Snot and Tears brought to you by Netmums. I'm Annie O'Leary and I'm Wendy Gollidge and together we talk about all of this week's sweaty, snotty and tearful parenting moments with guests who are far more interesting than we are. So welcome to another episode of Sweat, Snot and Tears. Wendy, it's a special kind of pod today. Usually it feels a bit like an interview panel for a really scary job with us on one side and our guests looking slightly nervous down the barrel of a zoom lens. But today I'd say it's more cozy podcast powwow because not only are we joined by TV goddess Lorraine Kelly, but her daughter, star of Celeb Gogglebox, Rosie Smith. Together they host podcast What If, where celebrity guests ponder their sliding doors moments. Welcome Lorraine and Rosie. This is so exciting.

It is. Hi. Hello. Now, traditionally we interview parents with much younger kids. And our first question is always, has there been any sweats, not all tears in your house? I'm really hoping there weren't because Rosie's in her 20s and we're I'm hoping you can find your own shoes now without Lorraine shouting at you to get out the door Rosie but we do want to ask how do mornings how did mornings sorry when Rosie was little go

and you were on our tellies Lorraine because that's like the ultimate working mum struggle you were on the telly every morning and Rosie probably couldn't find her shoes well that's true when you were a wee tiny baby it was okay because I could actually you know how you just carry them about they're portable like little tiny kittens or little tiny puppies and they sleep all the time so when I was leaving the house about five it was about half four actually when you were me. Oh, that's ouchy early, isn't it? A wee bit, a wee bit. Then I could just take you with you. You know, that was fine.

But obviously I couldn't take her in, you know, obviously when Rosie started primary school, I couldn't leave her at school gates at half four. That would be bad. You would have got arrested, Lorraine. You'd have been in the sun for that one, definitely. You picked me up from school, couldn't you? Yeah, you always picked pick me up I was a bit shocked dad always got me ready and he always yeah so I like that divide and conquer strategy I missed all the kind of morning madness really

because I would be tiptoeing out the door when you were really me when you were about two and a half maybe from two to three that was hard because you wanted to come with me and that was really difficult but your dad would always say because I would go down the path like going into the car crying two seconds you'd be fine do you know what I mean um babies and just live in the moment so it was all right you know your dad just gave you a cuddle you were fine of course I cried all the way to work um but that's what it's like when you when you're a mum I think anyway you're always feeling like that you know your dad just gave you a cuddle and you were fine of course I cried all the way to work um but that's what it's like when you when you're a mum I think anyway you're always feeling

like that you know it's it's it's difficult so I missed it when Rosie was at school because I was way so it was your dad really that did it most could dad do ponytails Rosie that's the question he did bunches yeah they were a bit wonky though weren't they they were low bunches yeah high bunches I remember when you you get your photograph taken at school, at primary school, and one bunch was a wee up and another one was a wee down. And that's forever now. I tried to teach my husband to plait our daughter's hair

and he dropped the C-bomb. That's how much fun he was trying to plait. Oh, really? That's terrible. Needless to say, when it's his day, they just go to school with their hair down so essentially you were leading the charge of working mums doing the juggle um along with lots of our parents how does it feel lorraine to be a bit of a trailblazer did you feel like a trailblazer while you were doing it or was it all a bit more held together with sellotape than that because quite frankly Wendy and I feel like our lives are held together with sellotape. Totally uh-huh and you're lurching from one day to the next and just doing the best that

you possibly can I mean it was really odd when I um when I had Rosie because you don't you don't remember but obviously I've talked to you about this because um when I was on well it wasn't maternally because I was I was I had Rosie in the June and I was supposed to go back to work in September but right up a couple of weeks before and said sorry and we've got someone else which is yeah which is the joy of telly um and I kind of went oh my goodness me what am I going to do you know I've got this wee tiny baby and then I need to get out to to work and so that was what was what was trailblazing I suppose in a way was that there weren't that many um women visibly pregnant on tv I think

Anne Diamond was probably one of them yes yes that's a really good point yeah Anne was there so Anne was the one that I kind of followed her and and and it was really quite unusual and of course I worked too much I didn't realize Rosie was really quite unusual and of course I worked too much I didn't realize Rosie came a little tiny bit earlier so I worked up until uh two weeks before she was born and I looked like an easter egg on legs I mean I really was enormous I was so huge I really was do these women I'm getting these tiny wee bumps oh yeah there's none we weren't in that game I was like a space hopper you could tell from the tip of my head to the top of my toes but i was lucky because

um although it was a tough time a couple of months later i got a call from from them from gm tv as it was to say that um a mom and baby company wanted to do a mum and baby slot on the telly and they would only do it if it was me. So that was a way back. And then after that, it was so successful. Good for them. Good for them wanting you. They gave me my own show. So in the January, that was a real up and down.

In the January, I came back and had my own show and I didn't have to get up at half four anymore. I could get up at half five. Wow, what a treat. What a treat. my own show and I didn't have to get up at half four anymore I could get up at half five wow what a treat what a treat so how did it feel watching your mum on telly as you were growing up Rosie surely there's no coincidence you've gone into the media too it must did it look like a great gig or were you just annoyed that she wasn't at the school I was never no I was never annoyed I think it was just um I think

it was just normal because my dad works as a cameraman as well so he was I just thought it was a normal job and I thought um I think it was never a thing for me that was weird because it was just always the way that it was yeah if that makes any sense I think it does if you started going on the telly now I think that would be weird yeah but I suppose you just grew up with that didn't you I do always remember because Steve and my husband used to do um a lot of kind of like feature stuff and a lot of fashion shoots and I remember Rosie wrote in her diary what was it you was my dad it was this my mum drinks no what was it it was your dad takes pictures of pretty ladies yeah and your mum with a giant bottle of vodka you know the stick that's amazing with a gigantic bottle of vodka that was the size of me and the thing is i didn't

usually drink that much vodka but how did i know what vodka was i don't know i don't know no idea we'll we'll edit that bit out, girls. Vodka. That was vodka. Vodka. You spelled it V-O-D-I-K-A-T. I love that. I love that. Vodka. Vodka.

And that. The best one of those is my little girl this week was writing something and she wrote about her arm bows. She meant her elbows, but she called them her arm bows. I think we should change it to arm bows immediately. And Flo thinks that eyebrows are called eyebrows because they're all brown

because I still say dolphin because you always used to say a dolphin I still do that I love a mispronunciation I don't think we should ever correct them I think we should let them go off till they're 50 saying it's so wrong yeah Grace calls things gloves she can't say gloves she says gloves so they're just known as gloves so lorraine is is that what you wanted rosie to think did you want her to just

see it as normal life you didn't you weren't absolutely and we weren't really like we didn't we didn't have and i still don't really have like a showbiz life i don't even know what that is i mean obviously you know some of my really good friends like Hilary you know lovely Dr Hilary and Dr Amir and lovely Mark Hayes and people like that that I've known for years and Ross King and you know they're friends but they're friends just because we work together in the way that you always make friends at work and but I've never we never really went to like you're not a very good celeb mum I'm not a very good celeb I don't see you weren't dragging them up and down red carpets and in and out of the back door of the groucho on a school

absolutely not i mean we did the only thing the only time we used to go to um harry potter premieres we went to we did we did go to that that's good that's a good that's really good i mean that was proper and also you were quite so you you wanted to come in that day that West Lakeford and you hung on to Brian and Blue and Blue so that was oh wow oh there were the odd perks there was the odd perk yeah pretty good holidays and stuff like that you used to come into the studio and it was it was really it was lovely it was it was really nice but I mean I don't know you you know Rosie went to university to do but I didn't go to university to do journalism she's a much better journalist than I am she went to actually university to do it I don't need anything it does no it does

ladies and gents they're having a round just for just for a change and then Rosie went to Singapore as well and again you know they're just 20 21 I don't think I could have gone halfway around the world and not knowing anybody and kind of starting a new life. You know, it was a very brave thing to do, I think. Oh, I think you've done some brave things too, Lorraine. It wasn't always easy being in the public eye. You very publicly suffered a miscarriage during your time on telly. Rosie was only wee. She was only me then and i

think i did that silly thing that i think an awful lot of women do and i went back to work too quick it was that thing of i need to get back to normal i need to get back yeah i'm fine i'm fine i'm fine i think we do that don't we we really do and what it really made me um realize though was how yes it's important to take time for yourself but also sometimes partners get left out you know whether it's your husband your wife your partner whatever they they do get left out and and nobody really asks them how they're doing I think we're getting a wee bit better now I hope we are I hope so anyway but that was hard it was hard and I would have loved to have had more children oh I would have loved to have had more it would be great I mean I'm very lucky and I think why we we didn't sort of go down the road to IVF or anything was we had a lovely happy healthy

daughter how could you want anything more than the love you know if it happened it happened it would have happened and by the time we kind of went oh it's not really happened I think I was too old I do I would have been I was probably in my 50s and that's no no for me no I understand a lot of other women need a choice but for me no it would be I'd be too maybe it's a hard work being 50 and having a baby would be hardcore yeah I think there's a reason God give like stops all that nonsense at a certain point because you just can't do it you do read these stories of women like women that are like 60 or you know yeah I just think oh good you got you you know you're not gonna lie down you won't ever lie down you're

not gonna have to you need a nana nap at that age yeah right well you've also spoken quite candidly about the non-joyous joys of the menopause I don't even mention the m word yet I'm in she's weird about it she's weird denial about it she thinks it's never gonna happen now it is gonna happen I just don't want to think about it it's actually it's what I think's a shame is that we don't get enough help and we don't ask for help it's changing it's starting to change it really is but it creeps up on you that's the trouble and that's what happened with me it crept up on me and and I didn't realize just how much of an effect it had on me um and I just felt very flat and very joyful it crept up

on Davina as well it actually did I think it does for so many of us we know we sort of know the bad premise is going to happen but we don't really prepare ourselves enough rosie did you think she was behaving differently now we're going to get an honest answer i was away the majority of the time yeah but you you weren't you were just not chatting yeah which is not like which isn't like you you always want to know must have been so hard on telly you had to go on and put on lorraine sometimes you have to do that maybe you know that not all the time obviously but sometimes you do you know because we are well you can't always be sparkly at five in the morning everybody goes to their work sometimes and you you you'd be the same you go to your work and you just think oh I'm a bit you know I'm not feeling 100 but you know you just get on with it you just got on with it I'm very much my family of just

getting on with it um and that's I think you know that's a work ethic thing where you just you go to your work I mean my mum would send us to school with her own leg so shut up drag your leg behind you get your get to school on you go what do you mean you've got pneumonia get to school that's one of the reasons you are a bit of a national treasure though you're professional but you're also real and I remember like I associate you with sick days if I'm honest Elaine because I only ever got to watch you when I was off school sick but I do remember like you were there dealing with all the stuff that was going on the really scary stuff in the news

the stuff affecting women was that always is that the grand master plan or did it just kind of happen I don't think it was a grand master plan at all I really don't I think it's just we reflect what's going on and also we listen to our viewers and we know hopefully you know right by now we know what they want to hear I mean obviously we changed the show you know during by now we know what they want to hear. I mean, obviously we changed the show, you know, during COVID, obviously the show was completely different to what it is now when we're hopefully coming out of COVID, although it's still with us, but, you know, we're learning to live with it. And, and, and yeah, you sort of reflect that, you know, that that's, what's so interesting about it. And, but I've always,

yeah, I suppose it's, it's, it's good because it is a collective you know it's a real democracy um my say is just as valid as an intern that's with us for two weeks do you know what I mean and some of these young kids have got the most amazing brilliant idea and I think for me it's awful important to have a situation in an environment where you can say I you know you can say if you've got an idea and it doesn't really matter if it's maybe sounds a bit silly because we'll all talk about it and that's when you get the best things. So it's, you know, it's about encouraging that. And I never want to have a climate of fear in the workplace. You know, I've had that. And it's not fun for anyone. And you don't get the best stuff out of it, do you? You don't. You absolutely don't.

But what's really interesting in my work is my editor is Victoria, is a girl, is a woman. The head of daytime, Emma, also, a working mother. And the actual head of ITV is a woman as well. And I do think that makes a difference. I definitely think that makes a difference. It makes a difference how you treat your workforce and the whole kind of atmosphere as well. I've only had ladybosses.

You have, actually. Maybe not the right terminology. That's good, though. That's really interesting. So what I was going to, this is what I was going to ask next is, so Lorraine, you started chatting to people on the sofa, like kind of Rosie's age now,

and you've seen that transition over the last like 20, 30 years of kind of womanhood and what we've all been having to deal with in our daily lives and how it's changed. And you're saying now you think women have a bit more of a voice in the office. Rosie's saying she's never had a boss who wasn't a woman. How have you noticed the life of women and women parents in particular change over that time? Are there any perennial truths that kind of still are still the same or have we really shifted into a different place, do you think? I think slowly, slowly we're getting better. I wouldn't say we're there. I mean, there's sort of like little oases of enlightenment, you know, around when it comes to looking after your workforce and making it easier for women who have children.

You know, making sure you've got a creche or you've got. mean that was one thing about COVID it showed us that you can work from home you really can always but you can and if you know there we are right now but you can you can do that and that's really important but I've certainly seen a shift in in attitudes and and also a shift in attitudes see with where promotion comes into it, where I honestly believe, like, sort of like 20 years ago, you know, a woman in her 20s and 30s bosses would think, oh, there's no point in giving her promotion because she's just going to go away and have a baby, whereas now I think that, I definitely think that's changed.

Or they're just not seeing it. You know, maybe it's not as open. Yeah. But I do think that has changed, definitely. And, Rosie, as a younger woman than us in the media do you feel like a woman in the workplace or do you just feel like a person um I just feel like a person yeah that's that's really encouraging to hear isn't it I think it's I think you kind of have to change your mindset as well um there was only there was only one instance I've ever

had where I thought oh okay which was ages ago I just went for a job interview and they said oh um you're you're in the right sort of mix of people because they really want to hire different types of people especially um they were like oh either because it's women or disabled and I was like hang on what's one of those two in the same yeah it was a bit like oh that's weird and for them to see that too but it was a job interview so I didn't actually work there so I never really experienced it what the workplace was like yeah exactly but I've never had any of that my last company I worked at we had two boys in the company oh that's true yeah yeah media in a way media can be very women female skewed

actually can't see it can be and all the better for it, certainly when it comes to a show like mine I mean we do have fellas we do. Yeah look we've got Dave in the corner today, Dave the tagline man looking slightly terrified we just hire him so that we look like we're really diverse

they are very useful and obviously they are useful. Now and again. But we had a very, Steve and I have got a very sort of balance. In fact, Dad was the one that probably did a lot of the, if you like, traditional roles. If we really wanted to still talk that way, I don't think we should. You know, because I would be out working and him being a freelance and he gradually, gradually

stopped working as much really more to take care of you I guess he was the one that said you know they would get ready in the morning and brush your teeth and eat your brussels sprouts at night and you know your broccoli and shout at you

but he never did that and I wasn't really like that so much I'm not very good disciplinarian No, I think I'm a bit like you they all come to me when dad said no and say mum is it true that we can't yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah or do you think this is okay and I'm like yeah fine yeah and then I hear him downstairs going you've undermined me again I know I know I get that completely so how did the podcast happen whose idea was it um I think I said to you that I wanted to do it was your idea together yeah because I was living in Singapore at

the time and you were here and then you're very jet set Rosie I know all over the place um and we originally had the idea of doing it like um I would be there and you would be here and it would be like a catch-up and it would be more about the mother-daughter relationship okay speak to other mothers mother and daughters um but then while we were doing it it was covid and then I came back home and that whole format changed so um you've got to evolve with the times yeah no no it's been it's for the better I think now we've got to speak to even more people no it's been it's been the better I think now we've got to speak to even more people oh it's been it's been so good I mean you know what it's like it's just so interesting and the whole kind of premise of what if I think everybody's got those moments

in their life oh man I think about it all the time I think about it all the time what if you hadn't met that person or you hadn't had that job or you know if you hadn't gone to Singapore if you hadn't come back here it's it's just hadn't gone to Singapore if you hadn't come back here it's it's just all the yeah it's all the all the different sort of all the different sort of what ifs and well that's what I was going to ask you actually what are each of your what ifs because we've heard we hear your guests exploring theirs and you exploring them with them is there have you each got a a big what if moment or or plural moment i don't know maybe james yeah james or lovely james james the boy he's the boy he's the boy i've heard but i've read about the boy we went to school together and he was sounds like and he

makes wine he makes wine everyone he makes wine he said oh very natural wines it's very good for you naturally espedited wines yes which is very posh but you know at the end of the day they are fabulous and gluggable that's sort of the ironware yeah hopefully he'll branch into vodka and everyone will be happy yeah he was in the year above me he was in the year above me at school and then we were always um we'd always been in touch we were always friends and then um a few years ago when I was coming back from Singapore for two weeks I met him and he was all beardy and had tattoos I was like what's going on here um and then I ran away and then I came back after Covid and I messaged him to say are you what are you doing you're in London

just to just are you still bearded you still have the weirdy birdie and um i just i just i needed to meet people because i hadn't i didn't know anyone here really all my friends are in scotland and not in london and he said oh yeah i'm here but i've now moved up to scotland i was like oh great oh man and then he was in london about a month after that and we met up and then uh he moved in the week after it was kaboom wasn't it it was one of those and then it was locked down again he moved in after a week pretty much yeah he went did he have a beard that's all i killed so we're fine you like a beard i do you like that's very modern yeah he's an ace i think because I've known him for like 10 years it never felt rushed and and then six months after that we got uh Ruby the sausage dog together but Lorraine as mum did

you do that you're moving in together you're bloody not I think it was more it was more the fact that I think the lockdown made everything you know things like that yeah people had to make big decisions so you couldn't really hang around and then I thought to myself well if you can survive that so early on and and thrive and and be very happy which is all that you ever want for your kids then it was obviously meant to be and he's lovely he's a lovely lovely boy I mean obviously it was quite hard when you met your dad because you know what dads are like and yeah how did did that go, Rosie? It was all right, wasn't it? I said to Steve, don't growl at that boy.

Don't bite him, whatever you do. Yeah, it was fine. But yeah, I do think if I never had messaged him or we just drifted apart. Yeah, what if you had? I mean, Ruby wouldn't have happened. We wouldn't have Ruby the sausage dog. Ruby is on the call, ladies call ladies and we've got questions for ruby in a minute she's gonna bark her answers but lorraine what about you what are your what ifs

i always think what if you'd gone to university to do was it english and russian you were gonna do that's true i don't know what i would have been doing maybe i have no idea probably yeah i think you could be living in Moscow with a daughter called Rosa Brunner. Right, Annie, perfect. I think, yeah, that is it. Married to a man called Sergei. Married to a man called Sergei. You'd have been drinking vodka still then.

I would have been drinking many, many, many vodkas which have been drunk. Yes, I was living in Russia, that's for sure. And I don't know, who knows what would have happened. It's strange, isn't it? I wonder if you would have been the star of Russian TV. I doubt it. I don't think so, do you?

You could be the Russian correspondent. Yeah, that would have been all right, wouldn't it? That would have been all right. I don't know. It's cold in Russia, no. It's cold enough here in November. They're from Scotland. They're used to the cold.

I went to Russia in May and I had to go and buy thermals. It was so cold. I just want to know, Lorraine, which story of the last 35 years has stayed with you the most? That's really, really hard. I think one of the ones that has really stayed with you the most? That's really, really hard. I think one of the ones that has really stayed with me is the story of Madeleine McCann, because Rosie was teeny tiny.

And I interviewed them quite soon after Madeleine went missing, and I've interviewed them over the years. That's really hard. It's that thing of not knowing, if only they knew, you know, the worst possible scenario. But even if you knew that, and then you could mourn and never forget, obviously, and it's always with you and you never get over it.

But just this thing of they don't know, it's so cruel. It's so cruel. It really is. And, you know, I think of them often. I know the anniversary comes around in May and, you know, just think of I just remember interviewing the parents and oh it was so sad I mean they were utterly just I've never seen people in that sort of state it was just it was awful absolutely awful so that I think things like that stay stay with you um a lot and I do think being a parent makes you better at your job no matter what job it is you do I definitely think you see things from a different perspective totally totally and you can empathize a lot more as well I think yeah you can have you ever lost it in an interview about something very emotional and just had to say can someone just like switch this off I can't do this um it was

after Manchester gone oh gosh yes really yeah it wasn smart. I wasn't doing an interview, funnily enough, because I think you can sort of keep it together then. But it was some shots. We came back on air and we had some shots of Barra in the Outer Hebrides because one of the victims of the Manchester bombing was from Vattersea, which is a teeny tiny island right beside Barra in the Outer Hebrides.

And they brought a coffin off a plane. You have to land on the beach. The plane lands on the beach, and they brought a wee coffin out when the pipes were playing and she was a piper and a lovely lovely girl and that just that really got me and that's the that really did, I'll never forget that, it was it was just so so so sad you know really really sad so yeah that was that was difficult but generally somehow I don't know how sometimes you just kind of try and what about the other way have you ever lost it the other way I know Holly and Phil they just lose it all the time but have you like ever just fallen to pieces laughing with or at someone? Oh gosh, yes, a lot. I think that's it.

It really does. And then, do you know when it happens when Phil and Holly, sort of like, you know, when we do a wee handover and some of the things, like today they had on the man with the biggest penis in the world.

I saw that. It flashed on my screen when I was working. I was like, what's happened to this morning? It's very much changed his tone. What, what, what, what, what? And I said, what? And you see me kind of like oh my god I can't I can't are you know the man with the biggest testicles nearly first of all oh no I don't I don't know if I want to see that but then there is that kind of thing of maybe I should no just for you know research purposes it's all very obvious that that does make me laugh I have lost a couple of times with with content from this morning ladies what's next can we expect Lorraine and Rosie on tour

or the tv show please do a tv show we have been asked to do something come on girls come on have been asked but but Rosie's she's working for a magazine just now so and we're doing the podcast and you're looking after is it hello are you working at home hello with the other Rosie who I know yeah there's two of us she's a very nice lady no she's good I like that magazine because it's very kind yeah you know some magazines are not and I like that she giggles a lot yeah it's it's a nice place to work as well yeah it's lovely they're they're so nice and it's just um it just shows that it doesn't have I mean it's so successful but you don't have to be snarky in order to be successful there's you know you don't

you really don't so yeah I mean who knows I don't know we like we'd like to go on tour with it we'd like to go on tour with the podcast for sure that would be amazing actually I'd love to do that and and also we loved Gogglebox we laughed our heads off it was it's just like watching telly at home you're sitting there in your your gym jams and you know drinking sometimes and eating lots of chocolate and watching the telly and it's great it is a great gig it's brilliant to watch as well I could watch goggle box all day not watch it oh it's what i go to when i'm feeling a bit blue if you watch goggle box something always makes you laugh you don't have to watch any other telly because you learn about all the other shows just watching goggle box exactly watching them watch the squid games is one of the funniest things i've ever seen the couple couple in the caravan. I love them.

Yeah, who are your favourite goggle boxes? I don't know. It's two of them. Do you think? Yeah, they are funny. It's them and the Welsh couple. The Welsh couple are so funny, aren't they? We loved them in that show.

And they just leave you. You know, they put their own telly in so they can get your eye line. So your telly's right in front of you, so it's their telly. And then they put up a couple of cameras then they go away and then and do you do you find you're policing what's coming out of your mouth or you just forget that you're there you don't you forget you genuinely you do forget I know that might sound mad because you can see that there's cameras in your living room which is nuts but you don't know you just yeah we just it's all the chocolate i

think it's the chocolate and maybe the well talking about food one of the questions we always ask on towards the end of the pod is uh what's for tea and who's cooking so is it you rosie or is it you noreen it's never mum absolutely not no are you not i'm not allowed i can't i can't do it i'm terrible rosie's a brilliant cook. She's learned that from being in Singapore, I think, but also your dad. No, I didn't cook in Singapore. Did you not? No, I just ate old food.

Oh, you ate old food. Yeah, but you got the... But you learn, I guess. Yeah, you learn and you got the love of the grub. So what are you going to cook, Rosie? Tonight, maybe lamb coffees. Oh, I love your lamb coffees. Oh, lovely. and your sauce that's nice chili kebab sauce oh yeah lorraine don't ever cook she sounds like she's got it all covered

flatbread oh my god it's wonderful oh i'm really hungry i'm now thinking right in my head i'm calculating how many years till florence is old go to dinner like Rosie. I have to see it. It's fantastic. When Rosie comes round to see us, she just gets on with it. I tidy up to be fair. You do, you do the tidying up. I do, I do. And you set the table. Yeah. Very helpful.

She has her uses. There's a definite role reversal there. So Lorraine, our final question for you. You have to take yourself back, cast yourself back, and you have to sing us, please, the lullaby that you'd sing to Rosie when she was little. I've got no idea. I think it was memorable then. Well, so it was really worth singing to her night after night,

pacing up and down. I think it's what I sing to Ruby, which is like, go to sleep, go to sleep, little beautiful Ruby. Go to sleep, go to sleep go to sleep little beautiful baby oh yeah go to sleep and i sang that to you it would be go to sleep little rose go to sleep what you can't see listeners is the little dance that the dog is doing while this song is going. But Lorraine is actually singing to the dog like it's a blessed baby. She's working. It's actually working. You're a baby whisperer.

All right. Well, on that note, we'll leave you to your little loving with Ruby. Thanks, ladies. You've been so amazing. What a lovely way to spend a morning. Really lovely. Good luck with the pod. We hope to catch you on tour we hope that happens because that would be super good wouldn't it yeah we'll make it happen i know i hope so yeah okay good thanks ladies for joining us