The Netmums Podcast - S1 Ep8: Claire, Faye and Lisa from Steps on what people STILL shout at them on the street

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

In need of some comfort and a bit of an escape from your lockdown world? Then listen as Claire Richards, Faye Tozer and Lisa Scott-Lee from Steps reveal what life’s like as parents after you’ve been the soundtrack to all the other parents’ teenage years.

You're listening to Sweat, Snot and Tears, brought to you by Netmums. I'm Annie O'Leary. And I'm Wendy Gollage. And together we talk about all of this week's sweaty, snotty and tearful parenting moments. With guests who are far more interesting than we are. So Wend, we're all locked down again. This is all very strange, but there is one blessing, which is I do not have my children here to homeschool at the same time.

How are you feeling about it? I am feeling thankful for the small mercy that they can continue going to school and seeing their friends and I don't have to homeschool them, which is a benefit for everybody, quite honestly. It is. We talked about lockdown with this week's guests. It's weird to imagine them with children. In fact, I think it was actually perfectly placed talking to them now because you need a bit of nostalgia and escapism to get through these dark days, don't you? and they just weren't as I expected them to be you know I grew up singing their songs and going clubbing to their songs and here we are talking to them now that we're all

grown up and they revealed so much fun stuff I can't believe Britney had a nickname for them I know I'd like Britney to have a nickname for me I also think it's really hilarious that people shout five six seven eight to them when they're going around Sainsbury's, even now. But don't know any of the other words, that's the best bit. I don't think I do either, but I still love them. Anyway, everyone keep listening, this week's guests are the ladies from Steps. Hello and welcome to Sweats, Snot and Tears, the weekly podcast from Netmums that wipes away the gloss and finds out what people are really like as parents behind the celeb scenes. Today I hear you're

feeling a bit snotty, Wend. I am. I'm snotty and I'm a bit fed up and I'd quite like to leave my house but we're not really allowed so I'm just feeling a bit bleh and I'm hoping the Steps girls are going to cheer me up. Exactly I think they are just what we need so to today's guests welcome Faye, Claire and Lisa from Steps. So our first question on the podcast every episode is have there been any sweat, snot or tears in your house so far today? So let's start with you Faye, sweat, snot or tears? Actually, no. Benjamin is now 11. He's very, very independent and cracks on with the morning quite brightly and has a nice perky sort of way about him. So, no, all good this morning so far.

I'm quite jealous. Claire? No, I don't think there has been this morning, actually. It was all very smooth, smooth sailing this morning. I went for a walk so it's a little bit of my sweat but that's probably about it today this is just not fair and Lisa oh where do I start um well I've literally just finished um work at DPA at my dance school and did the school run and um lots of bags and came in and

logged on in time to talk to you all so yeah sweat on my part as well I think. I'm fairly impressed. To be honest I just feel for every working parent out there because it's really difficult to try and find the balance between work, doing the school runs, doing all the packed lunches, or spending time with the kids. And yeah, I just feel like I'm juggling a million balls right now. But I'm sure there's lots of people out there that feel the same. Don't we all? Yes.

So ladies, starting with you, Lisa, we need to know whose mum you are and how old they are please. Okay so I am mummy to Jayden who is 12 and Star Lily who has just turned 11. So I have a boy and a girl very close in age and people think they're twins actually which is which is really sweet there's not a lot between them and so yeah they're they're fantastic and we have lots of fun and they come to my dance school every day so they get to come to work with mummy and daddy which is lovely. So tell us a little bit about having kids that close in age was it a complete nightmare when they were tiny? Do you know what when I was not when yeah Jaden was nine months old and um I was pregnant again which was um to be honest it's something that me and Johnny really wanted because I'm close with my brothers there's four of us and there's seven years between us all

and I wanted the same for for my children and I just loved being a mum so I was very very keen to to go again and and have have another baby quickly and I'm glad I a mum so I was very very keen to to go again and and have have another baby quickly and I'm glad I did it was it was difficult and it's a bit of a blur but what I found is where I was doing one one bottle or one one bath um you know then it was it was two and um yeah it's just lovely I brought them up together and like I say you know yeah they have their moments but they are they're very close. They're best friends. Oh, that's lovely. Claire, what about you? Who's in your house? So I have Charlie, who is 13, and Daisy, who is 10.

So I've got a boy and girl as well. And yeah, it's interesting having a relatively new teenager in the house. That's very diplomatically put interesting do you know what he's actually all right we haven't had anything the most we've had really is that he's just completely and utterly embarrassed by everything me and my husband say to him at the moment and and the little voice breaking situation is quite cute oh that is really cute yeah but he's he's really good boy actually so we we haven't had he's not moody there's no door slamming I'm waiting for that with Daisy I'm sure we'll get that with her so what about you Faye who's in your house so um it's uh me and Benjamin um and uh Benjamin is 11 nearly 12. He's super independent. He has kind of grown up around adults and traveled with me on different jobs that I've done. And he's a real people person,

which is lovely. He's really artistic and he's really good at maths as well. So it's definitely that doesn't come from my side. But yeah, you know, he's a really chilled out lad so it's definitely that doesn't come from my side but yeah you know he's he's a really chilled out lad um he's definitely starting to um I think the hormones are kicking in which is a little bit scary um because he's sleeping longer and there's definitely like a little bit of cockiness coming through now he's started his next school so yeah interesting times ahead for me as well I think. Oh so you've had the big secondary school start in September this year? Yes that's right yeah. And how was it? He was so excited to get to school to actually see other children to be fair because of lockdown obviously and it was really lovely to send him to school because he feels like he's got this newfound independence. We gave him a house key.

He can walk to school on his own. So he's feeling very, very grown up. That is very grown up. I can barely trust my husband with the house keys. So because your kids are all similar ages, are they friends? Do they get on like you do? So I don't think they get that much chance to see each other. Because you all live in different places.

Yeah, yeah. So the last time we had all the kids together, actually all the families together, was back in Wembley in 2017. And they all came on stage with us. And they all got to hang out for the first time in a long time probably since they were toddlers really just imagine what they'll be doing backstage in a few years when you're god are they as poptastic as you guys are we going to be seeing a mini steps anytime soon or are they just going to be sat backstage cringing at their mums or are they

really supportive my two really love coming to at their mums? Or are they really supportive? My two really love coming to see the concerts and stuff. They really enjoyed it last time and came to as many shows as they could. Charlie even decided he wanted to come and see us instead of going to his football presentation, which I thought was quite nice. Wow. Sweet. They do like coming to watch us. Whether they would ever be on the stage I'm not sure

Charlie does a bit of um kind of Saturday drama stuff but I think um he went to work with my husband who's an electrician a couple of times during lockdown and um I think he's decided that he wants to be an electrician now rather than a singer yeah or an actor he wanted to be an actor at one point but that didn't last very long oh can any of them sing well I'm gonna leave um Lisa till after me because she can tell you all the stories about her beautiful children um but my Benjamin bless him um he um I think he got a bit of stage fright so he went to like an afternoon club thing with his best mate and he kind of got stage fright quite early on. So even though he's got a really nice singing voice and he does because he sings in his bedroom and we sing in the car when we're on long journeys,

you know, he really enjoys music. He plays piano a bit now and he plays instruments at a sort of adequate level, but he's not really that interested I'm kind of forcing it upon him a little bit to get a few skills because I know that he can but he's not going to be on the stage I don't think um yeah kind of scared that out of him already so come on then Lisa let's hear it what's going on in Dubai with yours? As I said earlier because the children come basically they are the school that they attend is where our dance school is housed so the children walk down after school to our office and our studios which is wonderful because the morning school run is always you know a bit hairy and then the afternoon ones are a bit more gentle. So the children come down and they do attend classes at DPA six days a week, actually.

And that's because they absolutely love it. They've definitely got the bug. But obviously, me and Johnny are both in the industry. And Johnny was one of our first Steps original dancers and went on to be in the West End. And he's been in Boom and Hearsay various pop groups so um yeah I think you could say it's in the blood so the children both absolutely love it and it's actually what they would like to do as a profession even at this young age yeah they you know they they just absolutely love performing and actually today Star was runner up in the um

DBS JP has talent the talent show today so she's done very well because there was a lot of children that entered it so she came runner up today so yeah I'm very proud she's got a certificate and we're very pleased for her I was laughing then because I could hear some voice in the background

is that a star singing in the background it sounds like a star doing her warm up they're already singing to be honest It sounds like Star doing her warm-up. She's trying to prove it. It's a singing house, yeah. So I have to ask you this question. I know that you're all approaching the teenage years, but we are apparently. So are there going to be any more teeny tiny steps anytime soon?

Oh, my God, no. Listen to that collective groan. into insights were there going to be any more teeny tiny steps anytime soon oh my god listen we just got a puppy we just got a puppy and that has absolutely killed me it completely finished me off yeah I think um after Benjamin um we we did want have another, but it didn't happen for us. So we got a dog instead. And yeah, the dog takes up the time. I think she's like a toddler as well. I feel you. I've just got a puppy as well. It's just, it's this lockdown puppy thing. Hard work. At least babies were easier. At least babies grow up. The dog just stays the dog. That's exactly what it is. I mean, even though I think that having your babies, they grow so quickly.

You blink and they're not babies anymore. I think it was so lovely to have that transition and watch them grow. But I really miss my Benjamin, bless him, is so tall. He's like nearly as tall as me. His feet are bigger than me already. He's only 11. And I really crave those days where you could just cuddle him with them. And now he's cuddling him with me.

So it's, yeah, it's just crazy, isn't it? Lisa, we haven't heard from you. You've stayed very quiet. Is there something you want to tell us? Well, no, no. The thing is is I'd love a baby but I don't want another child do you know what honestly I just I absolutely love being a mum and the kids are brilliant fun every day they just they make they make me laugh and they amaze me every day but you know I do I loved the baby stage I loved being pregnant I was one of them annoying women um and you know were you a glower did you glow if you glowed you've got to

go now I can't talk to you anymore yeah well shall I say I didn't I didn't anyway let's not talk about all that but no I think the thing is I love cuddles and my operations manager at DPA she's just had a baby so she keeps bringing him into work which is really lovely so I'm getting my cuddles that way um and I think you know I'm yet to face the teenagers but they do scare me a bit and I wish I could keep the kids at this stage at this age and every age has been my favorite so each time they turn a year older I'm like oh well now this is my new favorite um so yeah you know it's it's all it's all lovely and of course as you get the hard difficult times as well but I wouldn't change it for the world now we're going to take you back in time a bit to when you went on tour with Britney which is basically my dream come true can we please

from each of you have your best anecdote from that tour well I guess mine was probably right at the beginning of the tour because we were obviously um very very overexcited to be on Britney's tour in the first place and i can remember um i think we were doing i think we were being followed by smash hits or something and they'd come out to do an interview and we had to sort of stand outside of our tour buses and sort of have a chat with britney and bless her she was so down to earth but i mean she was she was really busy and obviously having to start a show there was a lot going on and I can remember she used to call us the yellow band because that was the color of our

costumes yeah bless her I know she was really really sweet but that kind of stuck in my head it's like we weren't the steps of her we were just the yellow band that's hilarious it's kind of a bit dismissive oh the yellow band I don't think it was meant like that I think it was meant sort of very sweetly but um yeah it was still brilliant excited to be there you know oh god can you I can't even imagine um Lisa give us your anecdote gosh um well I think like Faye said, it was just, it was one of those pinch yourselves moments. We'd just done our first tour. I'd just met Johnny.

It was 1999. And I'd kind of, it was meant to be a tour thing, but I'd kind of fallen for him. And at the end of the tour, yeah, at the end of the tour, we were going to America. I think it was three months, girls. And we were going on the tour bus were we were going to america i think it was three months girls um and we were going gone on the tour bus and we were touring america and canada so we had a lot a lot of land to to cover um and i remember just really missing johnny and he actually flew out

to new orleans and he was one of the only ones that could get served we all went out down and bourbon street and uh some of us couldn't get served and he was actually slightly younger than than lee um and i think i had braces on at the time i was going through my ugly bethy stage with braces and blue hair and all and all that and so i couldn't get served neither so yeah that's that's my memory that um i was quite glad johnny joined us because he got us all drinks oh my goodness. Just butting in on that conversation. Wasn't it in Bourbon Street that we saw Gwen Stefani? Oh, my God.

Wow. I think we did. It was a really memorable time. Yeah. She's really tall. Or maybe she had huge shoes on. I don't know. But it was very exciting.

Actually, we did lots of crazy stuff in that one. Isn't that when we did Chicago and we did karaoke? Oh, was that? Was that Claire's birthday? That was my birthday, wasn't it? Was it my 25th? Tell us what happened. That's one hell of an anecdote. It involves tequila.

It did involve tequila. All good stories should involve tequila. What happened? I drank too much tequila yeah the tequila monster came out yeah I use that phrase about myself to be honest I'm not talking about Faye on that one what would you sing at karaoke because we would all sing your songs at karaoke so what does Steps sing at karaoke mine's Black Velvet because that was actually my audition song for Steps. Oh, really?

So I love a bit of Black Velvet, yeah. Hilarious. I don't know, actually. I haven't really got a karaoke song anymore. I know I always used to make you sing No More Tears with me. Yeah. That's a good one. Which I did make you sing with me on that night.

Yeah, no, we quite enjoy that one, don't we? Yeah. And we did it on tour, didn't we, last time? A little bit of it. Yeah. Finally got it in a set. Yeah, so that's weird because yesterday my Spotify list popped up and it was like the live version of our tour.

So because I was in the car doing some chores and bits and running around doing bits and pieces, I kind of put it on and I got a little bit um choked up listening to that one it was such a lovely moment and um also when the kids came on stage as well on it's the way you make me feel I was driving along listening to ourselves which I don't usually do but it was really sweet it was really sweet and then I decided that I really missed tour and yeah well so that leads me to our next question, which, Brittany aside, if you could go on tour with anybody at all now, who would you each choose? And we know that kids probably make touring a no-go at the moment.

And coronavirus definitely makes touring a no-go right now. But Claire, who would you choose? I would choose Sophie Ellis-Bexter because that's who we're going on tour with next year I love her voice her voice just does something to me it's amazing isn't it I want to give a shout out to um the Venga boys because we had them on our past I do that we had them on our previous tour I do. We had them on our previous tour. And we've never had such a big crowd come to the support act before the show. The buzz that they created in the room. And it was just electric.

Everyone was just ready to live their best lives. And who knew? You know, we worked with them back in the day. You know, we'd bump into them in Belgium and Holland. and we'd always be on the same sort of radio tours or you know their versions of um Top of the Pops or whatever and and they can just bring a room alive so I'm going to give a big shout out to pop sensation Vengaboys what is the song the Vengaboys song it's in my head and i can't think it they've got a few the banger buses what's that one called boom boom boom boom i want you in my

room our nights out if any of our friends were getting if any of our friends were getting kind of friendly with a boy we would all stand around them and sing that to them so lisa we did who would you like to tour with so i'm going to go for someone really current and say sia because she wrote our new single. She did. And I think it would be so cool if she could sing one of the verses that she wrote. Because obviously we've got our version that's just hit number one on iTunes, which is incredible. And when we were given the song, we actually heard Sia record it. It was her demo. It was her song.

So it would be lovely to do a mashup with steps and sia yeah I can see that that would be really cool um right going the other way so we've imagined we're on tour now I want to know what happened in lockdown for each of you I'm I feel quite not embarrassed to say at, but lockdown was actually my idea of heaven. Really? Why? Because I love being at home and I just love having no reason to go out or do anything, which sounds really awful, doesn't it? But I just love being at home and being, you know, with the kids being here all the time. And I did a bit of crafting and I made lots of cocktails and I made bread and I didn't make banana bread though I refused to make banana bread but I you know I

did all those kind of nice things yeah I didn't I avoided those but I did make actual bread which was really nice but was it sourdough that's the question and no it wasn't sourdough because I haven't got the patience to make a sourdough starter. Oh, yeah. Faye, how was it for you? So for me, I think the homeschooling, I got really enthusiastic to start off with. And, you know, we prepped the table, we had the room for it. And, you know, we're up and ready and dressed. And I think I got through two days properly of trying to help Benjamin out.

But I'm just such a technophobe. The links didn't work. And then you couldn't do this. And it got really, really frustrating. So then I kind of turned into a fair weather teacher. So if the sun was shining, I was like, that's right. Let's ditch school. We're going outside.

We're going to go play in the garden and chop some trees down and stuff so um we ended up doing lots of outside and and just not worrying about it too much and we found out that um Benjamin's sats weren't gonna happen and so it was kind of he was in between schools so I didn't put the pressure on you know it was such a weird situation for us all um I don't think I've been at home this much ever so it was really really amazing to be able to sort of connect with Benjamin really really closely um and discover what a brilliant little person he was and we're lucky because up in the northeast there's been lots of dolphin pods on the sea coast oh wow so so we went chasing dolphins at seven o'clock in the morning and granddad brought

over some tomato plants so we managed to do a crop of tomatoes which I would never do oh I grew strawberries I forgot about that yeah you see but it's all these things that we would never have time to sort of look after, I think. Me and Benjamin started golf because my husband's a very keen golfer. I did some decorating and Benjamin helped me. So, you know, a few life skills there I was pretending to do instead of teaching. And yeah, loads of gardening and just being outside and trying to be active and walking the dog and finding different things in our area we found like um an old not an air raid shelter but like where they used to make um artillery and stuff so that was really cool and some nice

spray painted graffiti art and stuff like that okay you're making me look bad now too yeah you're putting up a shame jeez it's like all the stuff that we don't have time to do because I'm always away from home and I'm always working and I felt really bad that I haven't had that time to do stuff with Benjamin like that before or I haven't taken the time out to do it so it was a cross between yeah yeah we all get that feeling really elated and really satisfied with like getting stuff done but then when I did go back to work and started doing stuff I yeah I think the guilt hit harder than ever yeah it was a strange time for all of us Lisa what was it like in Dubai oh I'm just I don't even say I'm just laughing basically and we were all singing and dancing because our DPA our studios were closed

and we got closed down um which was obviously awful and we've got all our lovely teachers and all our students so what we had to do can you hear the hoover, by the way? Yeah, we can. It's so warm. I'm like, you know, I'm multitasking. I'm hoovering as I'm doing this interview. No, I'm not doing the hoovering. It's not actually me. I will ask them to stop the hoovering.

Give me two secs. Okay, sorry. Two secs. I love it. Right, it's going to go quiet in a minute. There we go. Yeah, so sadly, DPA, our studios were closed down, the theatres were closed down, everything went into lockdown here in Dubai. You know, we panicked, first of all, me and Johnny, because we've built our business up from scratch over six years. And we literally, it just stopped. And we just thought, my gosh, you know, are we going to still have a business and and then I discovered zoom and then I discovered that we could actually have 50 studios at once and you can have all these students and um all over Dubai and Abu Dhabi and we literally took our dance school we went virtual we're virtual dance school and we

were still running our classes six days a week um when we weren't working I found that I could cook vegan food in my my slow cooker I mean I do enjoy cooking but I like it when I've got the time and I'm not you know constantly um rushing around as all mums and dads are but basically then on on our free time um we would have time in the garden with the children um have a few drinks on the weekend and um me and johnny thought it was a good idea to put a rendition of a terrible rendition i might add of new york new york when we'd had far too many drinks on instagram oh my god i think i put it on my stories so i knew because i felt brave then i thought it was going to disappear in 24 hours um yeah so so that that was quite fun as well now I have to ask ladies and we did sort of talk about this before

we started recording which of your songs do people sing at you when they see you on the streets it's just either five six seven eight or tragedy and it's normally they wait for you to walk past and then kind of shout it at you as you're away. As if it's either really hilarious or you can't actually hear them. And how often does it happen? Is it like a daily occurrence? No. It's weird because most daily life, I don't think most people really take much notice, especially around where I live. But people still do it it's really strange it's like oh five six seven eight oh tragedy as you're kind of walking away it's just bizarre and you just kind of have to go oh yeah do they know the rest of the words after five six seven eight or

no it is literally one word and those four numbers that is absolutely it it's really weird isn't it funny how those two songs have obviously captured the public consciousness and they're the ones that you're remembered for I know lucky us yeah you've got so many other songs and to your kids mind like if someone does that to you when you're just like walking down the street together are they like oh my god mum this is so embarrassing or are they quite cool with it uh my benjamin's definitely embarrassed these days i mean two years ago he would have loved it and been really proud but no he's mortified oh daisy always kind of looks at me sideways as if to say any you ever tempted to just burst into song and go

and sing the rest of it just to annoy your kids I think no absolutely no no I tell you what I did I tell you what I did do once I think I can't remember how old Daisy was she must have only been small maybe about five or six and I was in a certain Swedish clothing store. Is it Swedish? No, it's, I don't know. I don't know. I was trying to be clever then by not saying the name. I was in H&M.

And this lady came up to me and started talking to me and saying, oh, you're Claire from Steps, aren't you? And trying to have a conversation with me. And I said, oh no, sorry, that's not me. What did you do? I've done that in a cab before I totally said it wasn't me so eventually I convinced this lady that I wasn't Claire from Steps and she she was like oh my god you look so like her she walked off and as she walked off Daisy went to me mummy why did you tell that lady you're not who you actually are at the top of her voice did the lady hear you no I just said it's because I'm in disguise today Daisy and she just went oh okay but she'd said it at the top of her voice well this I don't know if the woman heard her but I

I didn't really hid in the clothing rail just to try and get away from the woman but I'm ashamed to say that I have I did do that and my and they call you out on it the children they don't let you get away with it oh no they definitely do not so now that you're back together and you've like you know you've got it all going on again and you've got the tour next year coming up tell us how you feel now versus then tell us something you know now that you definitely didn't know then okay I would say I and I always say this is that I think that we we've got a very rare benefit of hindsight because it's not like we've been two bands we're obviously the same band but we were around in the 90s late 90s early 2000s and had quite a big gap before coming back together and doing it again and

it's almost like all the things that we we learned from the first time we've been able to apply this time which you don't really often get that benefit of the past affecting you know how you do things I suppose it's like everything that we learned from back then it's I think it's made it a slicker machine this time round it's made us be able to um make better decisions and be a bit more business-minded with everything as well um I think if we hadn't had that big gap it wouldn't necessarily be the same do you think you savor it more now because you know how special it is because you've kind of seen life without it I think we probably have more fun with it now because even though it's always been our job and it's always been our work but I think when you are

when you first start out and you have that first taste of fame and success and and and you are almost being not necessarily controlled but everything we did was at the behest of the record company we didn't organize our own days ever not that we do now when we're working but we we have a much more of a say now in how everything's done so we are able to have much more fun when we are actually on tour or on the road. And whereas before it was all it was a bit of a grind. We were always just so tired all the time because we were constantly working. But we're able to spread out a little bit more now and just kind of breathe a little bit.

So if each of you could leave your kids with a piece of advice, and it doesn't have to be about performing or your job, just a piece of advice. I think I've got one that I wish I could have told myself when I was younger. And that is to not compare myself to other people, because we all have our own journey. And to not care so much about what other people think and to enjoy yourself in that moment. And you do you, you know, appreciate your uniqueness and your own qualities. I wish you'd given me that advice. Yeah, I think we can all live. Yeah. Why didn't you tell me that, Faye? I didn't know it myself. If I could go back now and tell myself that,

I wonder if I would have had a different, you know, life and journey and different confidence. I don't know. So, yeah, hindsight's brilliant, isn't it? That's a good question, actually. Are you all more confident this time around than you were before I was always overconfident to be honest it was always displaced I think I think age has definitely um I think since I hit 40 um and my years past that I I feel

better and better about myself each year and more in control of myself and more relaxed. And yeah, I think age is a good thing. Yeah, it makes you more sure of yourself, I think. I do feel more confident in when I'm saying something, it's normally based on some kind of experience. So that's nice to know that you've got. And I feel a bit more adventurous I suppose in terms of things like costumes and yeah owning it yeah I would never ever in the 90s no one ever saw my legs I don't think but I've seen my legs more in the last

couple of years than exactly three get them out yeah that's quite liberating okay that's a great one piece of advice get them out get them out and we shall clarify what we're getting out we'll just get right so we've got Faye's advice who else is going to offer us the advice they'd give their kids do you know what I think I probably would say the same as Faye to be honest I think my one thing that I've had throughout my life is really worrying too much what other people think about me and and basing my decisions on what's that going to look like and how so I've probably missed out on things or not done things because it might might not be the right decision for somebody else whereas it might have been the right thing for me so I think and I look at my kids sometimes especially Daisy who she worries about everything and I sometimes I just have to say to

her so you know so what if your friend said this to you in the playground that's her that's her problem and and that shouldn't really affect you so you if you don't want to do that then don't do it so someone said to me once um what other people say about you is none of your business which I thought was quite a interesting because actually it's not because that's their opinion and it isn't always necessarily accurate or the truth so yeah I think I would I remember someone once saying to me for every negative thought someone in the world has about you there's someone else thinking that you're great and I think that's a good way to think about it as well just like there's a mixture of everything just let it go you do you that's what faith said as well I think that's a

really good phrase you just you've got to do yourself you've got to because you're your own advocate aren't you I suppose you have to and if you worry too much about what other people are thinking or doing yeah it's like simple things simple things like Benjamin finds himself um trying to play the games that his other mates like to play and it's like well if you don't enjoy that don't do it you stick to the ones that you do like and it's like, because he wants to be in with the people that are doing that. And it's like, you know what, but if you don't like it, yeah, exactly. And it's like, if you don't want to do it, don't. Yeah, go and find someone else that does.

Exactly. Like the kind that you do. Yeah. Lisa. Well, I think, you know, with all children, they all come to you at the end of the day or you're having dinner or what have you. And they, you know, they tell you their day. We love to hear about what they've learned that day and what they've been doing and things like that.

And I think, you know, sometimes like the girls say, if somebody is negative and it upsets them, I just say, you know, if someone's been negative, if they go low, you go high. Like my daughter, she's really sensitive. She doesn't like to hear people bad mouthing people. And so I say, you know, if somebody is being unkind about another child, if you know, like I say, if they're going low, you go high. And don't, you know, you don't have to join in. And just keep it positive, because I'm a very positive person. And, you you know don't worry about what anyone else is saying or doing let them do their own thing and and you do your own thing so yeah all of the above agreed you all sound very sane i think i'd quite like to go on tour with you

okay except for you can't sing but i could just i could just jig about at the back and go along with all the good vibes. Right. Okay, so we're coming to our last question. And I promise you, this hasn't been designed just for you. We ask it of everyone every week. And wait for it. Right.

Okay, take a deep breath, girls. We like to ask you to pretend that you're tucking Wendy and I into bed as if we were your children, and we want each of you to sing us your lullaby. Because we know that everyone has a song that they sing to help their kids go off to sleep. No. I know.

I don't. Not anymore. Yeah, I'd just play them something on the radio. That's really disappointing, isn't it? That is very disappointing for you guys. Well, they're all a bit older now, so yeah. What did you use to sing? I don't think I ever actually had to sing my kids a lullaby.

That was the one thing that they've always done is sleep. Yeah, we're lucky with the kids sleeping. Well, you are very lucky. one thing that they've always done is sleep. Yeah, we're lucky with the kids sleeping. Well, you are very lucky. So it's, you know, a case of good night. And that's, I mean, God, that's probably the only thing that's ever gone right. We have struggles everywhere else, but the sleep,

I think they're just like me. They love this sleep. All right, well, we'll just leave you. You're very lucky. Yeah, very jealous that you have kids who sleep and that we don't oh thank you ever so much ladies from all corners of the globe it's been lovely to chat to you thank you so much and love to all the mums out there and dads yeah all the mums love to all the parents thanks ever so much ladies really nice to chat to you enjoy the rest of your day