The Netmums Podcast - S11 Ep9: Izzy Judd opens up about IVF struggled and disordered eating

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

Izzy, a talented violinist and part of the electric string quartet Escala, graced the Britain's Got Talent stage in 2008. Izzy is married to McFly's Harry Judd and here she shares her candid journey through IVF struggles, highlighted in her Sunday Times bestselling memoir. We delve into Izzy's story, from meeting Harry to mental health advocacy, handling sleep regressions and busy work schedules, plus the essential topic of family health and immune support during the winter season.

You're listening to The Netmums Podcast with me, Wendy Gollich. And me, Alison Perry. Welcome to another episode, folks. Is it too early to say the C word? If you're me, yes, I'm a Grinch when it comes to Christmas. It just makes me gnarky and stressed. And I went to my daughter's harvest festival this morning and got really grumpy because they did the 12 days of Christmas as a harvest song so on the first day of Christmas

the farmer gave to me and so now I'm singing Christmas songs it's making me really grumpy Alison tell me are you a Christmas grump I I am a Christmas fan, Wendy. My birthday's on Christmas Day, so I've kind of got to be a Christmas fan. Is it? It is. And I know that the husband of our guest has a Christmas birthday too on the 23rd of December. So I've got a feeling that she's going to be

a bit of a Christmas fan too. Shall we find out? Shall I just grinch off? In my own little voice. Do you know what? A couple of weeks ago, you were telling us that you hate pantomime. And I think we've actually got to the bottom of it, Wendy. You just hate Christmas.

I do, actually. But I don't tell my kids because I just do it all. I fake it all for them. Tell us who we've got. Let me stop being a Mardi Gras old cow bag and talk about our guest. So we are joined today by our returning guest, the wonderful Izzy Judd, mum of three, musician, author, mindfulness fan and wife to the lovely Harry Judd from McFly. Izzy recently released her first single and has her debut EP, Moments, coming out in 2024

with each song recalling a poignant moment in her life. Welcome to the podcast Izzy. Oh I love the introduction and listening to you talk about Christmas I was just itching to get in on the on the chat about Christmas because in theory I should really like Christmas because our wedding anniversary is the 21st of December. And then Harry's birthday is the 23rd. And then obviously Christmas is the 25th, which is actually a lot of like gifts to think about. And events over a short period of time. And stress. See?

Yeah. It's not just me. You see, as a kid, I loved Christmas. I mean, it was just my parents did such a great job at Christmas. Like, we had, my brothers were choristers at King's in Cambridge, so I was really lucky. I used to go to the chapel at King's, which is absolutely breathtaking and listening to

Carrie so trying to keep up with that kind of Christmas moment and then when you're a mum it's just not relaxing it's just all too much and then throwing covid a few you know for many years and it's just like oh goodness so this year we're going to harry's parents so i which is when i really feel i can just there's a wonderful woman um i'm sure you instagram ladies know her. She does something called Polar Post. Yes. And she is how I want to be about Christmas. Like, she is just an elf, and she does all these marvellous Christmas things

that I watch her wistfully and think, no, not me. Can't do it. No. I mean, I love choosing unique gifts gifts and I think it's a brilliant time of year to hunt down small businesses and find things that are really quirky and unique I am somebody that will start looking now and start kind of writing notes when I see things crop up and that's the great thing about Instagram right when you get shown all these brilliant like unique small business ideas so I do try and do my bit there and not leave it to

the last minute and that I do enjoy and I enjoy wrapping and I enjoy the preparing it's just the actual day. You mentioned Instagram but the bad thing about Instagram around about Christmas is that you just feel like everyone else is having this dreamy idyllic christmas and you've got kids that are kind of losing their rag because they're tired from school and exhausted and it just feels like you're never measuring up but i suppose that's always the reality versus what we see on the grid isn't it I mean we're all we'd all rather post a nice nice picture than the reality um but I don't yeah I don't know I I hope my my love for Christmas the actual Christmas day comes back again someday soon now I'm gonna lower the tone always um The last time, Izzy, that you were on the pod was possibly my all time podcast highlight. And you probably don't remember why, because this is just an everyday occurrence for you.

But your lovely husband came sauntering in out of the shower trying to find a towel. And I was like, hello, Harry. Can you arrange a repeat performance just to cheer me up today please I know I know well I can't sadly because he's not here he's actually he's doing a photo she's doing with her lovely mum and I'm loving watching him and his mum. It's so sweet. Yeah. I mean, what you see with Emma, if you are watching Race Across the World, is totally what you get. And I really lucked out with my mother-in-law. So, yeah, I'm sorry.

I can't repeat the... Shall we just wrap it up then, Wendy? Shall we just go? Let's go. No, go on. Ask her a question. Oh, Izzy no go on ask your question oh Izzy might as well sorry Izzy we're joking so you've got your debut EP coming out haven't you and we wanted to take you all the way back to your musical roots because you played violin on the

I think was the 2005 McFly tour didn't you how did that come about and what was it like performing in front of such massive audiences yeah so I yeah I met Harry I was booked as a violinist to go on the Wonderland tour and there were quite a few sliding door moments for that tour that meant I may not have done it um at the time I was in an electric crossover group called Wild which was managed by the same guy who did Vanessa May and Bond and we were doing quite a lot of corporate gigs um internationally and we'd recorded an album and I kind of had to ask permission to do this tour and initially he said no and then eventually he agreed so there was my fate to meet Harry so I turn up it's the rehearsals it's in Bristol and I'd gone through quite a rough

summer I'd lost my grandmother who I was really really close to I'd gone through a really horrible breakup it was just one of those moments where I was really looking forward to just escape on tour with some friends and get away from all that stuff and so um I met Harry on the first day and honestly it was like I had known him it was this weird weird thing and the boys are all really really friendly and they all came over and introduced themselves and there was just something about Harry that was just this instant kind of I really really fancy you but this is weird because I'm not in that headspace at all also you're younger than me you're in a band what. What am I thinking? This is a professional job.

I should not be crossing these boundaries. Anyway, then woke up the next morning with a huge cheek. Oh, no. And I had mumps. So I was then the girl on tour that had mumps which is incredibly sexy um I couldn't not very sexy and I had to come off the tour so I then was off the tour for two weeks was quite poorly and then eventually got back on the tour and I suppose when you ask about performing I've done my fair share of doing my own kind of stuff on the violin so being in front

of crowd I mean obviously they have huge crowds um but I was so like fixated with Harry I just used to watch him play whilst I was in the backing orchestra and uh by the end of the tour we got together so was it like the stuff of teenage dreams like or did you play it cool or were you just totally not cool no in hindsight we we've worked out that we used to like walk around the venue hopefully we might bump into each other it's really like primary school like and and but because our manager so the people that was looking after us and the boys manager were very aware that there were there was distraction we had to be really careful so we like were kept quite separate um but there was a ferry trip from I think the boys were playing can't remember where

now anyway we had to go on a ferry and uh um actually I think it was over to Ireland we did that and we we actually spoke on the ferry and then it was on the very last night that Harry kind of plucked up the courage to come and and we both plucked up the courage to actually talk but absolutely it was like a primary school thing and the thing is I don't know about you but my daughter's turning eight all of a sudden there's this boy at school and they're like there's like love notes and all sorts so innocent and gorgeous and sweet but I heard Harry say um right we're gonna we're gonna have to make this boy that's so cute that's so dad my husband wants to build he's genuinely serious I've got two daughters is he and he wants to build a bunker in the garden

that he can sit at the front of with his shotgun when there's boyfriends. It's like, we're quite psyched. That's quite extreme. Oh, my goodness. But fast forward a few years, Izzy, and obviously you're a mum of three, but it has been a bit of a bumpy road for you guys, hasn't it? What do you think you've learned about yourself through all of the fertility struggles that you guys have experienced? I think the biggest thing really was the not being in control. in a world and a place now where we get things with the you know kick of a button and things just happen when we struggled to start a family it was the realization of having to let go

of control and sort of breathe into the process however difficult it was and we went through a really difficult time which I've spoken about lots before um but it's interesting going then into kind of being a mum having gone through that you realize actually you don't have control of lots of things when you have children you know they are going to test you in every possible way in many ways I I feel like what I learned patience um yeah letting go were really key things to know and understand now that I am a mum. And how did those kind of tricky years influence how you are as a mum, do you think? It's interesting. I think regardless of how Lola was conceived, I believe I would still be the same mother. I think as a person, I am classic duck that sort of,

I'm the one peddling underneath, paddling, paddling, paddling. And Lola was very sort of serenely floating along the top. And I'm a natural, like a warrior. And so I think I never viewed Lola any differently you know to my boys I don't see it as any any different um but it has been said to me you know by people close to me oh she's very precious and I'm like well all children are very precious any all of my children are precious you know so I don't I don't believe personally that I have been any different because of the way we got to having yeah um I mean you've spoken in the past about how you know your health and disordered eating affected your fertility. What things are you doing now to keep your health in check?

Yeah, I mean, it's so interesting hindsight. And I think I have talked about disordered eating. I feel quite able to talk about most things quite easily. But disordered eating, I found quite difficult to open up about but the reason I wanted to talk about it is because I think it is it must be such a common um thing within people that have fertility struggles so I basically after I had kids lost a lot of weight and after going through fertility treatment and having felt quite not quite very uncomfortable within my body not just physically but also the fact that I felt my body wasn't doing as it should and wasn't working my language with my body was very, very negative.

But that's understandable, I think. Yeah, totally. But I think I became very hooked on health because also when you are diagnosed, I have polycystic ovaries, a lot of the things that was taught to me about treating them was very health driven, you know, eating these certain foods, doing this exercise, you know. And so it was drummed into me that that's what I needed to do in order to conceive. But ironically, I think that that was the problem for me.

My body was in fight or flight. It has been forever. I've always had anxiety. I don't believe that my body felt safe to reproduce. And what it needed was fuel. It needed food and energy and happiness and safety and all those things, rather than trying to control it by not giving my body rather than the restrictions to feel safe exactly so now i have to be very very careful

um i think disordered eating goes hand in hand with anxiety it's a it's a form of control um and my biggest um like motivation really is to be a role model to my children and so eating well and exercising but having a healthy lifestyle is balance and so therefore overall well-being is really important to me for my family and that's my motivation to keep it in check and and to talk about food in a positive way because I think I'm of a generation where we grew up with our parents permanently on a diet trying out a different and it was all that was I can remember this diet that diet trying this, trying this one, trying that one. And that's not her fault. That's totally generational.

It was the same in my house, definitely. It was the 80s and 90s, wasn't it? Yeah. And so that feeds through. So now I feel it's our responsibility to talk about it in a different way. And do you feel the same about mental health and anxiety? You talk very openly about it and about your struggles with anxiety in the past. And I remember when I was suffering with postnatal depression, I was watching stories that you were putting up. other people just talking about anxiety and talking about children can be anxiety making little people they're just you're either worrying about whether they're okay or worrying about

whether you've done something right or wrong and do you feel like talking about it is important I think um I think talking about mental health is really important generally I think it should be discussed just in the same way as physical health and looking after our mental health is just as important and there were definitely things I think for me growing up I would have benefited from and so seeing little traits of myself in my children I have been really keen to learn tools to then help them things that I think would have helped me um for Kit actually a lot of it is breathing like slowing him down um music's a big one for Kit. And for Lola, she needs lots of explanation.

So I think sometimes we just expect them to know and she needs detail. And I was just like that. I needed detail. I needed to know exactly what was happening. Otherwise I would get quite anxious um so mindfulness has been a kind of an anchor that I've used and I love using it with the children and hope that it gives them support with their mental health yeah I have to say I find your book personally

I find your book mindfulness for mums so helpful and I think that it's partly from reading that book and talking to you in the past I have made a real effort to try and so if I'm doing breathing so if I'm having a bit of a kind of moment and I take a few deep breaths if my little ones come up to me and say what are you doing mummy I will tell them whereas before I might have hidden it a bit and been like oh nothing nothing and felt a bit silly about it and just trying to then when they feel angry or frustrated about something encouraging them to breathe through it as well so it's important isn't it that we pass this stuff on to our kids and they're such little copycats really and I find it amazing Lockie who's two because when we get in the car sometimes for the school run

and it's been somewhat stressful leaving the house we take five which is the way you spread your palm of your hand and you trace round your

hand, breathing in and out you take five deep breaths. Hard to explain on a podcast. But it's called Take Five. And we do it when we get in the car. And the children actually ask if we can do it. And Lockie, it's so funny. He just goes.

And he finds it so funny. And then, of course, Lola and and um and all the rest of it so but it but it's interesting harry's take on it because i'm i'm always doing these things and he's and as time's gone on he's realized you know that how effective it is but he read this you know how dads come in and rile the children up before always he very loves to send me like things he's read and seen and recently there was this thing about how getting your children hyped up and laughing and all the rest of it before bed is really good because it really I saw that too I must have read the same thing so now he's just like no i'm i'm doing good they're endorphins and this is the right thing for them and you're like i'm the worst at that time of day you see the worst of me because i'm i'm hungry

and i'm tired and i that is when i have to dig really deep a lot of deep breaths yes yes now last time you were on the pod you were like this pregnant with Lockie you were super pregnant and you were talking about I remember you saying that Lola had been like the straightforward baby who'd slept and then Kit had been more of a challenge because he'd had reflux. And I remember we had the reflux chat at length. And you were hoping that Lockie was coming out more Lola than Kit. And I don't know which one happened. So please do tell me.

So I think Lockie is a real mix. I think I've got a bit of both in him um he has so much energy though like he is a dog I might as well get a dog I often think because he just the minute he's up in the morning he's like let me out let me walk let me eat like he has an insane sort of need for getting out um and whereas you know with Lola I remember I could just stay in and kind of like get some toys out and she'd be quite content it would give me a bit of time anyway before we needed to leave the house um but he's been I've worked hard at the sleeping I am a bit of um I am I need routine and the only way it was going to work with Lockie was to get him in a routine as quickly as possible because it was the only way I was going to cope with three um and it's so interesting how you approach it

with your third versus your first um because you're listening out for absolutely everything whereas with Lockie I'm like oh oh he's crying oh oh I'm in the middle of something and then I'm yeah exactly um but recently he did have a bit he did have a awful sleep regression and it just reminds you I mean when you're slacking sleep the sleep deprivation is just brutal and then I wasn't getting the same nap in the day and I really rely on that for my work that's that's when I get things done um and so that kind of calls me a bit of like oh my goodness I really need you to nap you're too young dropping naps is the worst thing yeah but we seem to have we seem to be um in going back in the right direction so I think it was

a regression some just that's a relief that's at least at least with you having three you kind of you've been through it you know that it's not a case of oh this is it he's gonna be a terrible sleeper forever yes exactly and it's also going oh we're falling into a habit here and he's having me a bit exactly um so i'm fascinated by how different families juggle everything and you know sharing the load and fitting in family time with work and you mentioned that you rely on naps to get your work done. But how do you do it when Harry's away for blocks of time? So he's touring, he's doing TV projects like Celebrity Race Against the World. How do you make it work?

Well, Race Across the World was so intense because I didn't know where he was. Couldn't call, couldn't phone him so if you imagine you you don't realize how often you go to the phone to to speak to them about something um reassurance on whether you've made the right decision with one of the something to do with the kids or we had a leak in our house and you know so there were these things where you just go I can't I can't pick up the phone and I've got to actually make these decisions it was quite uh it's not that I can't make the decisions I'm just so used to being kind of co with Harry that it was this real my goodness um kind of feeling whereas he's about to go on tour so at least I know where he is and I know I can

call him but I do find it difficult and I do have to just be really mindful during those periods not to take too much on just not to say yes to too much um the kids come first and I I kind of have to just yeah just be really careful about what I'm taking on and what I am capable of, like what I actually have capacity to do. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So this EP that you're releasing in February next year, is this you getting back to the crux of who you are? Is this you rediscovering yourself and, you know, what you love and being Izzy again after years of being mummy? Yeah, I mean, I think we've all had that moment where we just felt completely lost into being a mum.

And suddenly, like, even going out without a buggy, without a baby, suddenly's like just being yourself. It feels weird, doesn't it? Seriously. The first time I went out without a buggy, I was like, oh, I've got to carry all this shit. I was like, I'm sorry. I know.

Because often you're not with a buggy, but you're still nappies. What do you do with it all? Yeah. Yeah, I know, I know. Sorry, you're having a nice serious serious answer and I'm wanging on about that piece carry on no no but it's it's true it's true it's that weird it's one of those again isn't it um but I so I met Harry on tour right and I have a background as a musician I grew up into a musical family music's been absolutely my heart and soul since I was so

little and been in my family and my life and I met Harry and Instagram was relatively new and I built up a community on there obviously you know there was an interest being married to Harry but also my conversations about fertility and mindfulness and motherhood and it it put me in on a different path that was never an intentional decision it naturally happened and I found it incredibly supportive um going through these years of being a mum and if I ever you know have you know talk about something that's happening and then you get people saying me too it's the most comforting reassuring space and inevitably alongside that I've also been I've worked on Instagram and that's something we're all new to. It's very, very much new to this generation. The whole question of should my children be on Instagram?

My goodness me, how many times have I had that conversation in my head with Harry? But, you know, I think it enabled, it has enabled me to talk about things I really care about. It's helped me just feel supported. And I love the creativity of it. I love getting a concept in from a brand, creating an idea around it. I put it all together. I edit it. I do the whole thing and I and I really love the whole creativity of it however it doesn't need me much space now because I'm trying to

figure out the kids as well to do the things I love as well and when I when I really love Instagram it's when there is something alongside the work side. I hope this is making sense. Alongside that still fills my cup and gives back to the community something for them. Because I really appreciate and I'm really grateful for the people that supported me and stuck with me and and so being able to play my violin has just been the best way to reconnect because that's really where I'm from that's really who I am and that is my happy happy happiest place and so the first single Stayake, which is out at the moment, was one that was most requested when I asked people which was their favourite lullaby, what was their favourite piece of music that they had growing up or they played to their kids. And so I wanted to record it as a thank you, really.

But everybody through the years on Instagram had been loyal and supportive and kind of walked on my mum path with me and so I'm excited to release more and share more music and also hopefully inspire kids you know to actually see someone playing a musical instrument and having music in their life and you know maybe inspire some children to pick up an instrument or practice or, you know, so all those sides of it as well. So it feels very, I feel very at peace with it. And I don't, it doesn't, I don't feel any sort of pressure around it. I just want to share some music.

And that feels really lovely. I have two more questions actually for you about the EP. Because first of all, when you were on last time, we were, I don't know if you remember, but we were saying how all Lullaby albums are absolute tosh and that you should release one. And now G has gone and released a Sleep album. So she's moved to my idea for you. And she's done it.

Yeah, she got in there first. so she's no idea for you and she's done it with all her spare time how that woman does it all i will never know i know i know bless her but she's she's actually she wrote me such a lovely message just saying how pleased she was like happy she was for me to be playing and music for both G and I has been really important uh you know and so I think it's lovely that if we can give that to to babies and children and I wanted to ask you about the track with your brother Rupert my brother is also um my brother's got cerebral palsy and so for me I was a bit like listening to the one with your brother because it's just so special isn't it yeah I so I'm I'm 40 in February and I I feel like I'm going through real transitions um and and one of my things is my is Rupert and so he suffered a really serious head injury

in 1997 when I was 12 and he's brain damaged but he can still play the French horn and you know for the last eight years ten years since I started trying for a family and then having children I haven't been able to mentally give enough time to Rupert it's so painful in many ways and then having a child that is very like him is quite triggering and he it's it's almost just so sad that you you go there it's just and I and for many years I think you know from having my kids I've sort of I've sort of pushed it down and I feel now it's bubbling it's coming back and one of the main reasons for that is because Rupert's memory is decreasing. And suddenly that feeling of, oh, my goodness, you feel like when, because he had that awful accident, that he's now going to live forever. It's like there's like he's had his awful thing.

He's not going's not there again um and so now I feel like um actually my time with him is precious so I wanted to get him into the studio and I wanted to record some music with him and it was honestly the thing that was so gorgeous about it so somewhere in my memory which is the next single that's coming out, he played on our wedding day. Oh, wow. But when we were in the studio, I realised, so, you know, it's quite, I guess in the studio, you try and recreate a sort of an atmosphere that feels like you're

performing a piece versus this kind of sterile because obviously you've got headphones and you've got to record it but what Rupert needed was for me to move my body like in like feel the music he was doing in order for him to express himself so if I sat still he wanted my attention so he wasn So he needed that involvement from me. And it will just be a memory that will just fit with me. We kind of move together to kind of get him to feel this emotion, which he does anyway. It was just really, really special.

And I can't wait to be in that moment. You shared a reel of him, actually, at one of McFly's concerts over the summer. And again, I was just super moved by how unconsciously he was just adoring every single minute of that. And I love the fact that he was just loving it and showing how much he was loving it. It was gorgeous. Yeah. And music is in his bones. I I mean it's everything in him and it always has been and always was and so it is miraculous that that part of the brain wasn't damaged and also that that part of his face you

know in order to play the French horn you need your your jaw, your mouth. And that's the only part he doesn't have metal plates from the reconstruction of the accident. So thank goodness he has the ability to still play. Yeah, well, it's beautiful. You know, the song that you have created is just such an amazing piece of music. So well done there. Something I want to ask you about, Izzy, is winter coughs and colds,

because as a mum of three, I'm guessing, similar to me, it's, you know, and Wendy, it's that time of year when it's just everywhere. There's no escaping it. How do you keep on top of making sure that all of your kids are healthy and not just coming down with a lurgy left, right and centre? Yeah. and not just coming down with a lurgy left right and center yeah so harry and kit are the coughers like they are the ones that keep us up at night coughing whereas lola and i are slightly more into our sore throats so we'll wait and see what luffy comes up it's funny actually all right they

all have an achilles heel, don't they? One of mine gets croup. One of them gets tonsillitis. All of us have got a bug thing that we go to. A niche. A niche. A snot niche.

But we try to stay on top of our well-being. I've worked recently with a lovely brand called Zarbis and they have an immune support that tastes so delicious and actually I pour it onto the cereal so it's like a honey um yeah so it's all um like scientifically proven but they use naturally sourced ingredients which I love I love to find something which is as close to natural um and yes they have a lovely immune support and they have a really nice evening immune support which I love I take it when I'm having my

bath um and then they also have the the cough and sore throat syrup for kids and adults which helps the cough tick and the throat tick um and it's easy when there's something in the cabinet which just sort of does more than one job do you get the dreads though like one of mine is ill at the moment and it's like someone turned a little snot tap on at the top of her head. And she's just like, and I'm sat there and I'm just like, who's next? Which one of the three of us? And I'm like, don't kiss me. I love you, but don't kiss me.

I know. And also what I find with it, all of you get it, but just slightly in a different way. So it's like you, I'm like, oh, I feel a bit coldy. And then like Harry's basically got the flu, obviously, because he's a man. And, you know, and then Lola's just my little hero. She would go to school with the temperature. She just, she is such a comfort. So, yeah, it's just just it's that time of year it's just that time of year and and with the sudden temperature drop

as well yeah um and I don't know about you but my my kit just wearing clothes is just not fun so I'm just I just every day I'm like oh my god so I now layer him up from the bottom up like so I get best long sleeve polo shirt so he'll do that but he doesn't like the jumper then the coat and he feels all restricted so I try and base layer up I quite like the idea of him with a little old man's vest on there that's quite cute yeah exactly little vest um so you mentioned that it's your 40th next year and you've got your ep coming out so what plans have you got to celebrate uh so actually i should ask you guys about this so harry's mum has very kindly offered to have the children and harry and i to actually go away which would be nice first time

we've been abroad on holiday ourselves like not for a work purpose or just the two of us obviously since having the children but my I I'm like oh god should I go you know the guilt sets in no go yeah they won't miss you they won't notice you're gone it will be marvellous go and I know exactly where you should go but I will tell you off of the podcast I've got a suggestion too actually there are some hotels and cruises I don't know if you about cruises that are adult only which which isn't for everyone and whenever I hear I always feel a bit like oh is it going to be a bit perfect you know a bit kind of like i don't only glass is all i think when you say i don't but there's i mean it's not abroad but there's an amazing hotel down in

cornwall called the scarlet hotel and it is adult only and it is just idyllic there's a spa it is beautiful and it has seaweed hot tubs on the coast. Seaweed hot tubs. And you can look out onto the sea. It is nice. And then also I've seen adverts for Virgin Voyages cruises. And they're adult only too. And I think they look like fun because there's no kids running around being noisy.

You just enjoy each other's company. If you're going without the kids, you don't want to then be around kids thinking I wish our kids were here or not here exactly exactly look we shouldn't be endorsing all these places other places are available the good thing about being married to Harry of which there are many I will I will say but one of the good things about being military is that um we both have the same idea of a holiday which is basically fly and flop and we both love a spa we both love but even though you'd be because he's as you've probably seen on on race across the world he's so like he's on the go Harry you know he's like but it's so like he's on the go harry you know he's like but it's so you would think maybe he'd want to be doing things but actually we're both we're both quite on the same page when it comes to holidays so so that's good that's good into the same thing well whatever you do for your 40th

i hope you have a wonderful time thank you and thank you for joining us again on the podcast and how dare you not have your semi-naked husband in the background with you on the podcast. No, I know. How dare, how dare I? I'm only joking. It's lovely to have you on, Izzy. He is semi-naked on tour. I think he's drumming with his top off, which he disclosed to me the other day.

So everyone, everyone buy your tickets now for the McFly tour? I think it's because he genuinely just gets really hot, drumming. So he's like, am I... Is it really weird having people kind of like lusting after your husband? Or are you just so used to it now that you don't really notice? I just don't really notice. I mean, I look back to the creepy days. I'm grateful that social media wasn't so big then.

But no, I think if someone has just always, he's always been in a band or he's always done stuff on TV, you do just, it is just part and parcel. I think he gets annoyed that I'm not more like, you've got your top off. Well, you say it every day, day don't you it gets a bit boring oh thank you so much for joining us it's been so wonderful to chat to you you too thanks so much