The Netmums Podcast - S18 Ep8: PARIS FURY: When to hold on, when to let go – parenting seven children

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

What does parenting really look like when you’re raising seven children – across completely different ages and stages – and learning, in real time, when to hold on and when to let go?This week on The Netmums Podcast, Louise Burke and JB Gill are joined by Paris Fury – mum of seven, businesswoman and star of Netflix’s At Home with the Furys – for an honest, warm and revealing conversation about modern family life.Paris opens up about the organised chaos of a busy home, the juggle of raising children at every stage of childhood, and the emotional shift that comes as your role as a parent begins to change. From hands-on parenting with younger children to stepping back and giving independence to older ones, she shares how family life evolves – and how you grow with your children through it.The conversation also explores some of the more emotional sides of parenting. Paris reflects on her eldest daughter Venezuela’s engagement at 16 – a milestone she supports, having married young herself – while admitting that ‘letting go’ is one of the hardest parts of motherhood. She also speaks candidly about raising teenagers in today’s world, navigating social media pressures, and instilling confidence and individuality in her children.Warm, relatable and full of honest insight, this episode is a reminder that whether you’ve got one child or seven… parenting is a constant journey of learning, adapting and, sometimes, letting go.In this episode:- The daily chaos and joy of raising seven children- How to balance parenting with personal ambitions- Paris’ eldest daughter Venezuela's journey to married life in her teens- The importance of instilling confidence in and individuality in her children- Paris’s thoughts on body image and social media influence- Paris’ wellness routine and how she finds moments for herselfThis episode of The Netmums Podcast is brought to you by Aldi Mamia.Read more expert advice at Netmums.com and join the conversation on social @Netmums.JB and Louise also want to hear your parenting stories, questions and dilemmas! So please share them with us at [e-mail] and we can bring you into the conversations that matter on The Netmums Podcast.This podcast is brought to you by Netmums: backed by experts, trusted by parents. Proudly produced by Decibelle Creative / @decibelle_creative

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How are you doing, Louise? I am good today. I've got spring in my step. The sun is shining. And I tell you what, it makes parenting life easier, right? Those late night pickups from dance class, football practice. It's, you know, there's no rain, there's no darkness. Everyone's happy when they come out of school. The weekend's stretching in front of us. I'm thinking park days.

It just makes life easier. How about you? Yeah, do you know what? I'm definitely in spring mode and it's so nice and makes such a difference. But to be honest, like we're going through a bit of a crazy busy period at the moment for me. Chloe's away with Ace our eldest. Yes, you're said. Yeah, he's doing some filming, which is really, really cool.

It's a series two to something that he did last year, which is really exciting. And he's really happy and obviously excited about it. But then it just means that the two of us are kind of split into. Your solo parenting. That's what you say. You're moaning about solo parenting. Come on. I'm not moaning.

No, it's just different. I don't usually do it. We had on Lou Beckett a couple of weeks ago talking about default parenting. I definitely do think I had default parent in certain instances when we're together. But it's a completely different prospect when you are. by yourself, you know, and obviously Clary does it often. I don't do it so often. But you definitely miss your psychic, don't you? You're doing some real parenting, solo parenting. Well, today's guest is someone who really embodies that phrase real parenting, real life, and just on a slightly

bigger scale. Yeah, well, when you say bigger, try seven kids bigger. We are talking. The realities are raising multiple kids and how to grow with them. She's a mom of seven. She's a business. This Woman and star of Netflixers at home with The Furies, which is out for a second series on the 12th of April. It is Paris Fury. Yes, Paris. Welcome to the Netman's podcast. Hi, guys.

I am so honored to be on here because I actually follow your, I follow your social media, I follow your clips, I watch them, I learn from other moms. So I am a bit of a fan. Yeah, well, likewise, we are hooked. And I certainly, my wife absolutely adores you. So she's very jealous that I'm speaking to you. today. Yeah.

Thank you. Well, what J.B. and I always say is we're always learning, right? As a parent, you are always learning. So all that information is like, it never goes amiss. So I want to get straight to it, Paris. I think most people do know the size of your family, but let's just spell it out. Seven kids.

Seven kids. Yeah. Tell us what. Just a few. Tell us, I want to know exactly, what does a normal day in your house look like? I mean, I've got a glimpse of it from the same. from the Netflix show. Just a little glimpse of it.

Yeah, everyone has seen it. It is, basically what you see on that show is what our life is. It is very loud, very hectic, kind of organised chaos. But it's busy like most, maums. And I think I've just got used to having an extra one, an extra one, an extra one. So when people look and they think, oh, you've got seven kids, how do you do it? But it's like when you go from one to two, two to three, some people get to three to four.

I think I'm one of the few that get even bigger. But you just embrace it and you just keep going and you just try and split yourself into more sections. Do you know what? I take my hat off to you because I've got a family friend, a husband and wife, and they've actually got eight kids. And you would think that it's absolute chaos and it's mental. But actually, I think because obviously the gap between the eldest

and the youngest tends to be a lot bigger, Yeah, it just, it almost like find its own groove in its own channel, isn't it? It does. It has to because I've got, I've got that. I always class it as like a split family. I have two that is teenagers, so 14 and 16. So they, I don't class those kids. I actually say all the time I've got five kids because I class the little ones as the kids. They are like teenagers, they're old enough to sort of see to theirself until you get the teenage tantrums.

And that's a whole different story. But the little crew kind of like all help each other. the big ones will help the little ones. And like if they go out to play, it's like, you know, you watch him, you know, you mind her, stick together. You know, you've got a bit of a back-up. So you kind of balance it that way. Basically you have to, you know, fire in-house and get them all to watch each other. I love that.

Because I think before you've talked about how sometimes you co-parent your kids with Venezuela, your eldest. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, she's like your wingwoman. Yeah, she is. and she is, she's great because she's always been so much older for her age. So she's, where my boy is 14, he will argue with the kids. Like the 9-year-old and the 14-year-old will, like, go at it, head to toe.

And you think, like, you are meant to be a big young man. You're not meant to be doing this. But Venezuela looks at it more from a mother's point of view. So she'll, like, say, no, you're not doing that. I'm turning your iPad off. You're going to bed. You're in trouble. Like, she takes it from an elder point of view.

So she is. And she's a good girl as well for the fact that. she'd say to me like, oh, Mom, I'll bath them too. You date the girls, I'll take boys or vice versa. And she is really good that way. Very maternal. Maternal instinct. Yeah.

But I also think it's in a big family, everyone has to help. Like all of my kids, even down to like the littlest one who's, well, the baby Rico, we let him off. He's two. But the girl who's four and the other boys and girls, they all have to do a job. Say it, go make your bed. You pick up the toys. You pick up the rubbish. You take the bag out.

It's all got to balance because there is two. much for me to do on my own. Even though I do a whole lot of it, there's too much on your own. Yeah. You've said before, I think actually when we last spoke, you were, you talked about how ingrained you were as a child at doing chores and mucking in in a house. And that's something that you've passed on to your kids as well. And I think sometimes in modern parenting, let's call it that, but we all were also busy. And sometimes, you know, it's very easy. I had it myself at breakfast this morning. Mom, can you pass us a spoon? Oh, Mama need a tissue. And it gets up and me like, get off you backside and get a tissue.

You know, are we, the debate about whether we should be giving our kids more chores, I know that's, I'm talking about passing a tissue, it's slightly different. But yeah, but we should be, I don't know whether, look, I think I'm guilty of it. I don't think I give my kids enough chores in the house, to be honest. I think it's good to give kids responsibility. I think it learns them from a young age. And at the moment, we're kind of on a small level of bribery, because I've got them. They all look at a bit. Are you going to pay me?

And I'm like, yes, I will give you that pound. You can have a pound if you put all the toys away. But when you've got four or five of them looking at you, like, I want a pound and want to pound. Yes, exactly. I just have to pay you for this business. The house has to be spotless. They are good. They all try.

I do think it's good to try and give kids a little bit of responsibility. And as I say, in a big family, I think everybody's got to kind of pull their way and help out because it would never work if it was just down to one person. and if everybody just threw their washing everywhere and, you know, everybody just left the dishes on the table, it's a lot. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Do you know what? I mean, already, one of the things that strikes me is that it sounds like you are a woman

and also the family are very much based on balance. So, you know, and obviously from experience, having watched the show, you know, things as with any family always get a bit out of balance sometimes. So if you will, as honestly as possible, can you share with us your peer parenting high? Like parenting high? Like my best point of parenting. Yeah, what you'd say.

Because we took a lot about highs and lows and that moms. Yeah, I know that one's from the next. If you've asked what's the high, we've got to know what's the low. So my high would be, my high would be, genuinely, as a parent, is like when you go to a restaurant and your kids all sit down, oh, if we travel a lot, so we're on planes and airplanes and travel a lot. And when someone comes over and says, your kids are so well-mannered, Your kids are so good.

But completely switch it up on the other end of the Richter scale is when you're getting tutted at and people are looking and giving the side eye when one of them's running laps around the dinner table or one of them's like taking a tantrum on the plane. But on the good days, the highs is when someone actually comes over and says, you know what, your kids are really well-mannered. And you sit back and think, you had no reason to do that.

And that is coming to hear. It's like good feedback, isn't it? So that is a nice thing. That is a good moment. I remember, like, in those early years when I was at home with the kids, and I used to say to my husband, like, the thing is, no one's giving me feedback. Like, if we go to work every day, you sit in a meeting with your boss or you do a piece of good work and you're told good piece of work or that was great or a great meeting.

But quite often, for moms at home, we don't get feedback. No, I think we're on new parents. They feel that. When you're a new parent, I'm a well-experienced parent. Like I've gone through a lot of it now. Yes, absolutely. So I feel like I kind of know what I'm doing. But when you are a new parent and you've got this first baby,

I was, I actually just sat and cried when I had Venezuela and she was like a couple of days old. And I didn't know how to bath her. You were young. I was young, but even, I don't think it mattered if you was, if you was 27, 36 or 42 having your first baby. If you haven't experienced babies, you have no idea. And I didn't come from a family. I was, like, my siblings was the same age as me. My cousins lived far away.

So I didn't see young babies at all. Yeah. So I was 19, had this new baby in arms, had no idea what to do. And, thank goodness I had my mom there. My mom supported me through it. Tyson had no idea. So that was like, don't ask him for advice. So I tried to bath her.

And I remember, like, my mom said, go on then bath her and I'll take a picture, first bath. Yeah. And I burst into tears because I didn't know how to. hold this tiny little squishy human in this water and you know that's the kind of thing that you need advice on and as you say feedback is like you know that's right that's wrong you know you don't need that many layers you do need this you do need that yeah i think if you're blessed it's great to have some sort of family support i know there is um is it the health worker or someone who comes yeah yeah but that's dropped those those services um that 10 15 20 minute visit is not enough it's not enough

input to help you really know what to do when you've already, your hormones are all out of balance, you don't know what you're doing, you're sat like tired, drained, have this baby and then you're trying to deal with it. So I think it's, if you can take advice, I think it's great to take advice from other people. And I think feedback is good when you're doing good, but then you don't never really want to hear you're doing that wrong, you're doing that wrong. Not that type of feedback. No, the thing, I was going to say, from a dad's perspective, and maybe it's just me and not necessarily something that's that, you know, I guess all dads would do. But I did.

I was definitely, you know, if I saw Chloe doing something, even now, you know, if she's, I don't know, gone up to take A's to training, then gone and pick the kids up from school, then gone and done this, then gone and done that, not got home until half-night. I always say to her, well done, babe, you got through the day, like you did a good job. And I think that's really, really important. Yeah, but you're a good guy, J. That's reassuring, though. That is nice.

I know that Tyson will speak to me like that. It would have to be a tremendous day. It would have to look pretty hectic. But on a actual day, it'd be like, yeah, that's life, that's life, baby. On a good day, on a busy day, he'd be like, oh, I don't know how you did that. That's a lot to do. Even Tyson, he would like, yeah. Oh, he has to admit it.

He's actually, I've seen, what one great thing about being, like, married to someone who has to do interviews like this, you see their serious thought patterns, and you actually get to, like, watch it again and see what your partner thinks. Yeah. So I've seen interviews where Tyson's actually. spoke really openly about what I do in our relationship and he's like give me big props. So it does feel good. So I get the good feedback there as well. So I get my feedback. It's good. That's like free couples therapy, isn't it? Like hearing things. It's also a bit like a superpower.

You get to see what they're talking about you when you're not around. That's brilliant. Something that stuck with me on the trailer for the new season of the Netflix show was that you said, my work is my family. Yeah. So you, even though you talk about those early days where you felt like you're in despair and wasn't short to do and they were hard, you've clearly cut out a job for yourself raising seven kids that you take very seriously. Yeah, I am now like the CEO, top dog management, you know, highest level boss in this family.

Yeah. Yeah. I do. I class it as my family. I've been really lucky that this. is my predicament. I mean, I always sort of have to say before I say this, because it can sound, you know, oh, that's easy to say for you. I am blessed that I have the, the possibilities to be a home, stay at home, you know? The privilege, yeah, because it is a privilege.

It is a privilege. It is a privilege, and I totally acknowledge that. So for me to be at home with my kids, but even now that I do work and I do business deals and I do different things that I try and base from home. I try my best because I've been offered so many different things, but it involves travel. It involves London. It involves TV studios. And I just say, look, that's not what I'm doing in life. I am A1 in for looking after the kids. And that's what I want to do. And I feel like that's what I owe the kids at the moment. Because I'm privileged enough to do that. I owe my kids to my time to look after them and put other things second tier for different priorities. It annoys me when I think about it that that, I'll just loosely use that title, right,

the old school title of a housewife or a stay-at-home mom. It annoys me that that doesn't get as much credit as it deserves because it is probably the hardest job you can ever do. Like you said, you know, you don't get feedback. You're working sometimes by yourself, especially if you've got, you know, like Tyson or even like myself, you know, who's traveling and doing other bits and pieces. And it's not easy, you know. And like you say, not everybody has the support in that field,

even if you have got family or whatever about. So I don't know, it really frustrates me sometimes because it's such an incredible and important job to do, to have. Yeah. I think that has sort of been, you know, overlooked in the past. But I think now people do appreciate it. I think people realize that some days it would be easier to go to a nine to five job. 100%. It would be easier to go and say, I get a lunch break.

I get a dinner break. I get my coffee break. I have a 9 to 5 where I speak to adults, because there's a lot to be said for speaking to adults and not children all day. I mean, that is, it's a full-time, 24-hour job. Like I had VICO last night, and I actually said to my Venezuela this morning, I went, oh my gosh, he slept all night. He's two, he's two and a half.

I went, he slept all night. Like, I went to bed and I didn't wake up once through the night. And I still woke up tired, can't lie. I did what I don't normally do and I played on my phone to really late last night and I should have took the advantage and went to bed but it was, it's like, it's a 24-hour job and as most moms know we are at home with the kids all the time

you are the nurse, you are the cook, you are the clean, you are everything in the house and it's it is hard work, it's a full-on task. Yeah, yeah. I am totally with you there, it really is. I remember. those dates clearly and as joyful as it is

in lots of precious moments it is also exhausting and hard, hard to manage for yourself which brings me to identity as well so we talk a lot about having it all as well although I think even that phrase

has almost started to become a bit out of date because the reality is I think we can't have it all what do you what's your take on that i mean you've said like you will say no to certain jobs um that come up because you're very focused but what's the answer for us then i think you can have a balanced over everything i do i am more i'm the i'm the opposite end of that one i think you can have it all i think if you're i think when your kids are young you have to take the time out because they're young, so as like baby age.

But then when your kids go to school, you could find if you wanted to work or act or, you know, sew ribbons, whatever you want to do. Yeah. Your children are in school five days a week, you know, for eight hours, six hours, right? So in that time, you can then work and progress to do what you want to do around that. And it's like me. I work around time schedules.

Like today, Rico's in nursery. He only goes one and a half day a week. It's totally annoying. But it's one and a half days. It's very precise. So today is his day. So today's the day I'll do like all my business calls, all my interviews, emails. I will really stick in and do that all today.

Other day, I think you have to have a tight schedule. If you want to have it all, you can't just sit back and relax. I think you have to be on the ball and you've got to do it. So for me, I think you can do it. You can be a mother. You can work. But you can't do, you have to have. expectations that you can't go too much. Like you can't work 40 hours like all week. You can't do

you can't do more than you possibly can. I think it's a hard thing and you want to be the best moment you can and you want to put your time in your kids. But then you want time for yourself. You want that. Which is important. Yeah, you want that moment to sit and watch the television, read a magazine, scroll on your phone. We're all guilty of it. But then you also need to put that away and do your, if you want to do business, do your business side of things. I think you can have it all, but I think you have to be realistic

on the limitations of what you can do. You can't be like someone who's available 24 hours a day, boss bitch, right out, sorry. But you can't do, you can't be like completely doing all of that, but you can still do something. Yeah. So it's a bit of balance. I was going to say, the balance is tricky, isn't it?

And the balance shifts as the children go to different ages. Because children shift. Yeah, exactly. And I know like things have shifted with you and like you say, although you've got your two-hood, you've got your 16-year-old. And you've moved house recently as well, which is probably shifted things for you as a family. Yeah, no, I think you're totally right. I think there's a sense of discipline and motivation. Sometimes that is hard to find.

So that's sort of discipline and that motivation to get your, like, right, I've got 24 out. You know, my Monday, like you say, is the one nursery day. I need to pin down this, this, this, this, this. But that does take discipline and motivation, which sometimes can be hard to find in those exhausting early days. It is. I think that's why when they're young, you need to put your, you need to set aside. You've had a child. You need to heal.

You need to take your time and you need to do your bonding moment with your baby. if you can't you can't if you really in like a financial situation where you can't do that that's that is life no nothing's perfect in life but if you can't if you're if you have the opportunity to sit aside and think right I need to heal I need to look after this baby I need to get this baby of an age before it can go obviously as I say Rico's two and a half he does a day and a half in nursery that's ongoing now until he's five he and I've lived this for the last well basically I've got five under nine, so it's just been steps and stairs. I've been constantly busy balancing newborns and kids in school.

But there is a balance. And as I say, I think you can have it all, but you have to be realistic with the limitations of it because I can't just say, yeah, I'm going to London for three days. You know? Yeah. Especially when I did have my phone on Don't Disturb. Don't know what this is doing. Especially when Tyson's away.

So me and my husband have to balance roles. Yeah. So when he's here, I can say, right, I have to go to London. I have to go to Manchester. I've got trips to do. You've got the kids. Good, great.

I worry the whole time I'm gone, but still. But, you know, we worry what we're coming back to. But if he's gone in camp, then I am limited to what I'm doing because I am sole parenting. Like you, JV, they're saying, you are solo parenting at the moment. And as you said, I think you really miss your partner. You miss that back up because it's kind of like me and Tyson will almost split TIEC. or it's like you take them for a minute, I need an hour, like just, we balance it that way. Yeah.

But then when they go, you really miss them. And Tyson has been gone for, well, we went to Thailand in the beginning of the year and we had a family holiday. We had four weeks. I came back to put the kids in school. Tyson continued to do his training camp out there for his fight. So in that, the first few weeks, it's like your hands been chopped off. Yeah.

Because you really are like, oh, my goodness, the school run again. Like normally Tyson does the school run in the morning. and I do it in the afternoon. It's then little things that you just, you really miss. But now I am like totally bossing it again, solo parent. Right there. I've got it all under control. And when he comes back, it will ruin that.

Yeah. It will completely throw everything out a loop. Then you've got to reset. Yeah. And I will have to reset. And we will have to rebalance as we discussed before. But that is what I am a person that is very flexible, but some people aren't flexible. I am, I can go so easily with the flow.

Yeah. where some people really don't balance that way. Struggle, yeah. Well, it's really interesting because it's similar to my setup with Chloe. Chloe will say exactly the same thing because she literally like, obviously when I'm at home, I'm as hands on as she is, you know, we'll go and do this and we've got ballet and we've got whatever. And then like you say, when I go away, and I don't often go away as long as Tyson will.

But, you know, if I'm away for a couple of days or even if I'm away for a week or two sometimes, then it kind of just throws it all out because she gets into her own rhythm. And then she goes, you know, I come back. and then it's almost like trying to get a whole new, yeah, a whole new rhythm. Yeah, it is. You've got to do it again. Yeah. And when you see, obviously, when you watch the show, you see the dynamic, you know,

with Tyson in it, with Tyson out of it. You know, what's it like being married to a man like Tyson? And, you know, you said there was a moment where you said, you know, you weren't talking to him. And obviously you go for sometimes long periods of time, perhaps not talking to him. What is that experience like for you? It depends who is not speaking to who. And for one reason.

All married couples have. Yeah. Yeah, if it is me, see, me, if we have like a disagreement, so I'm not shadow, you know, shadowing it over. All couples have disagreements. Of course. So we, if we have a disagreement and I stopped talking, I last all of two days a day. I am not one of them people.

I'm like, oh, well, I've cooled down now. We're over. That's it. Tyson, to me, is like the feminine part of the relationship because he will fold it for weeks. He can hold it and he will be like telling the kids, tell your mom, I need this or tell your man like, I'm going there. And I'm like, I'm in the room. You can see me.

So like we can do that. But if he's in camp, I know he's the last camp, he decided to stop talking to all family, everything and just cut down and totally knuffling to what he was doing. But it was severe for me because I really felt like I had totally lost him. And I expected his choice, but it was so rubber. It really really was. Yeah. No, that's hard.

I was thinking when you were talking about solo parenting, and I totally get it, Paris. I imagine you have got it ships, shape, and all in order. I had no doubt there whatsoever. So when Tyson comes back from his training, the house is looking great, the kid's uniforms all washed, everything's all good, there's food in the fridge, everything's ticking on nicely.

But when you said you go away, what does the house look like? When you come back. Oh, it is. The house is tied because Tyson's OCD, so that everything is good that way. It's good that way. I have always been blessed to that as a part in life. He is good that way. But the kids, well, first of all, Tyson could be anywhere when I land home.

They may not be at home. He might have decided to take him on a trip somewhere or they could be in a trailer, a caravan off somewhere, or something totally random. them. But also, I walk back in and I just look and like the kids' hair isn't done proper. So like they're all be scruffy. The buttons are undone. They've got no tired of getting on the sock the rod. Yeah. No, that's trivial and that is just, that's actually just me being a bit shallow. You're petty, yeah. That's, yeah, that's scruffy. That's not nice. But then it's the sort of like wild list.

Like, you know that they may or may not have showered that day. They may or may not have went to bed last until on the bedtime. These things just go wild. You know they haven't slept in their own beds. They've all like watched the movie till. All got a bit feral. Yeah, they're all a bit feral. Yeah.

I do say that about my kids by regular when I look around and they're running around so much. I'm like, they're feral. Will the older ones still chip in like they do when they're with you? Yes. Yeah. They will. They will.

As a matter of fact, usually if I go away, I hate being anywhere on my own. Yeah. So I literally, I walked out the house yesterday and I was on my own for the first time in ages. And I walked out, and it was so strange because I walked out, it was like, where's the name?

Where's the keys? Where's the children? Like, who's missing? And it was such a surreal moment because it doesn't feel real for me to be on my own. So if I go away for like a trip or a business trip, I usually take one of the big kids with me because I think I'm like that woman on cheap by the dozen.

You know, when you've seen her and she went for a book door and she had all the pillows in the bed. Yes. That is mean. Like, if I'm actually somewhere on my own, I feel like this is weird. You've lost something. You've lost something. Yeah, it's so strange.

So I usually take one, so then the other one will help with the kids and help with the house and help dad sort of deal with everything. If it's Prince, it's average. If it's Venezuela, she's got it in the bag. She knows how to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She sounds great.

Talking of your kids, kids' names, right? Yeah. For the choice of your kids' names, I'm interested where, because baby names are a huge topic for the netmonds community. Okay. And where, tell us where you got your. inspiration from for your baby names and I'm interested to know when you've chosen your baby names if you've chosen them before you've given birth have you ever revealed those baby names to people beyond your family and do you ever fear judgment around baby names or would you not would

what how would you react if someone said oh you're calling your daughter Venezuela that's Well, that happened completely with my first one. When I was first to have Venezuel. No judgment from me, by the way. Yeah. No, when I had Venezuela, everybody, I had other names, other, like, kind of wild out their names. I always liked something unusual. Can't lie, that was me.

And I think you should be able to call your child, as long as it's not an offensive word, anything you want, you know? Like, we was just talking about this last night. We was on about someone had a funny name, and Venezuela and my niece. is stopping here. My niece went, that's a weird name. I went, don't judge. You're not judge. I said, because all my kids have got weird names. They're not weird. They are weird. To other people,

they're weird. But then Venezuela turned around, I went, I love my name. I'm the first person I know with my name, and I'm so glad I've got my name. So she loves it, you know, but I think with her, back to that story, when I was getting Venezuela, I knew it was getting a girl, and I thought of these unusual names, and all

my family kept going, oh, don't like that. No, don't like that. There was always somebody didn't like it, and they would put you off. So then I got Venezuela, me and Tyson was talking one night, we've come up with Venezuela. I was like, that's what we're going to call her. And I wouldn't tell none of the family. They all said, what you call? I went, I'm not telling you. I said, you wouldn't leave me alone. You all had your negative import. I'm not telling you. So then I looked, then they finally, like, basically beat it out of me. Like, you have to tell us. And I went, well, you're not allowed to judge. So they all went, well, what is it then? We won't say a thing. We won't have an opinion.

I went Venezuela and they went, like that. And I was like, yeah, see, this is why I wasn't telling you. So, yeah, that's it. But I do think you should call your child, whatever you feel you want to call them. As long as it's nothing offensive, you know, that's up to you as a parent. And then I think people grow with their names, don't they? I think people like, you grow up and it doesn't sound like I have family members and like, like, aunts that's not aunts and things. like that. And I never realized their names were strange. There wasn't actually their names.

There was nicknames, but they had all their life. No one knew them as anything different. One was called Go-Go and one was called fucking. So I never realized that was unusual until I got older. Yeah, like it was like, oh, that's Aunt Gogo. And then years later, I went, hang on a minute, Ma. It's like a big teenager. I went, what are they called Go-Go? Yeah. And that's not the real name. I was like, oh, all right, okay. So I, again, Like I say, I think a name is only funny to strange people, but as for people's reactions to my kids' names, I see it all the time on the internet.

I see it all the time on newspaper articles. Oh, what did they call their children? Oh, what a terrible name. Oh, this. And it's like, if you want to be called, whatever, a traditional name, Amy, Elizabeth, Jane, lovely. If you want to be called Venezuela or Queen Banana, whatever, that's up to you, that's a name.

It's what your parents felt was appropriate to call you. you so respect it. Yeah. Just a reminder, this episode of the Netmums podcast is brought to you by Aldi Mammaia. As well as their award-winning nappies, we give their Mammaia wipes hard recommended netmoms. They are a parenting essential. They're plastic-free, gentle enough to use from birth and kind on sensitive newborn skin. Perfect for nappie changers and all the other unexpected messes no one warns you about. Head to your nearest Aldi Store to explore the full Mammaia range. Talking of Venezuela, you've been really open about all of your children's lives. But obviously Venezuela's been in the headlines in the last sort of year or so,

well, since her engagement at 16. Yes. To her fiancé. And you've been very open about that. Venezuela's been open about it. But you've also talked about Venezuela growing up, making choices of her own. And you, which sort of bleeds into conversations. around how she's growing up, how she wants to look as she grows up,

how she wants to look for her wedding day. And I know you're, I mean, you're still a very young mum, aren't you? Yeah. So I am young for this situation to come into my path. Yeah. Yeah. And what I'm getting at, the conversation around body image looks, how Venezuela wants to show up.

You are obviously very aware. You scroll, like you said, you scroll through social media. We are living in a society where comparison syndrome is like at us every second of the day. We are, you know, there's young girls out there getting lip fillers with huge lips, Botox, contouring, obsessing other contouring, plastic surgery. What are your, as a mum with now a teenage girl, in the public eye growing up and yourself in the public eye, what's your take on young girls changing their looks and their image?

I don't agree with it. I don't. I am a strong believer and I would like to push forward an opinion that we are all beautiful, you know? And I'm not just saying that, but especially if you are a young girl at 16, you will be lovely. I mean, there is some really, really, really poor people, like people out there that have ended up with something really, really abnormal that needs to be corrected or, you know, like a lump, a bump, a cyst, something that they've needed corrected, that they wanted to correct. That I can understand. But, okay, no one's perfect. Nobody's perfect, okay? There's always going to be somebody better looking than you. There's always going to be somebody a little bit less nice looking than you, you know? So I don't think beauty standards should be compared to. an image on a magazine. I don't think it should be compared to the beautifulest woman in the world. We are all lovely. Sorry to, you know, get rid of the boys in this one, but all women are beautiful.

You know, I think you can enhance yourself. I think we all like to do our hair. We like to put makeup on, a bit of lipstick. Self-presentation is really important. I do believe in that. So as much as I think... Yeah, you strongly believe in that, yeah. But I do believe you should present yourself nicely. I don't think it's, I don't think it's no good to kind of like scruff your hair up in a bun, throw on the track suit, walk out the door, you know, you haven't washed your face, you ain't even brush your teeth and you're wandering down the street with like a bunning. It's like, that is not a good image. And it seems to be acceptable in this day and age. It seems to be very acceptable to like not try to present yourself. It's either all or nothing

in like young generation. Like my girl can be a bit guilty of it. My Venezuela, I went through a phase at like 14 to 15 where it was like, but I'm not going nowhere. Why would I dress up? I don't want you to dress up, but like put on jeans and a tidy t-shirt, put on a little bit of makeup, then you're presentable. You look like you've took pride in yourself. So it shows the world you've got a bit of pride about yourself and, you know, this is how you are. Yeah. But as to young girls looking at everyone else, I don't agree with young girls having cosmetic procedures just for the sake of it. You know, this lip filler thing is gone. It went crazy. I think it's calm down because apparently

clean girl aesthetic is in again. So, yeah, I don't really understand it all, but apparently that's in again. But the big giant lips, you know, there is young girls getting their face distorted where their cheeks are out here and their jaws are out here. And I mean, if you are an older woman

and you feel the need for that, go you, you know? But I think it would be great if the world sort of looked at themselves and look in the mirror and don't feel uncomfortable what you've got. Work with what you have. You know, a bit of makeup. I hate heavy makeup. I don't even like, I call it a mask.

Like, I hate heavy makeup. I like just to see my face. And I don't think it's good for young girls to feel the need to look like. I think, like, not to judge anyone from it, but there was like that very strong only way as Essex looked, wasn't that? And it seemed like everyone took the trend. Fat tan, hair extensions, fellas. And the men weren't immune to it either.

No, no. I know we're talking about girls, but the men weren't. I was going to say, you know, for me, you know, I definitely 100% agree with you, Paris. I, you know, again, I grew up with a mum again who is very presentable. She takes, you know, massive pride in how she looks. She's always sort of like, you know, suited and booty gets her outfits made and things like that.

And obviously, I was all from a very early age, you know, I was ironed in my own school, uniform. If I even dared to leave home with a creche shirt, it would have been, you mean, they would have been held to pay. And it's lost on this generation. Yeah. And that's exactly it. And for me, I worry because obviously I've got a daughter, I've got a son as well,

but I've got a daughter who's coming through. And, you know, that whole comparison syndrome that you said, Louise, as well. Where do you think that's coming from? Who do you think is to blame? Is it social media? Is it, like you say, the magazines or is it TV? I think social media plays a massive part in it. I tried to keep my kids off of social media for as long as possible.

And I do think it plays a big part. I think it's there 24 hours of the day. years ago when I was young, when we was young, it was a magazine and a newspaper, wasn't it? There was no such thing as the internet. So you could only have a look at a magazine or a movie, you know? You saw people and that was it. It wasn't in your face 24-7.

And another thing that doesn't help is there's these filters. Venezuela loves the filter. She, like, always has the filter. And I say, you don't need a filter, baby. You don't need it. And she's like, no, no, no, I just like it. I like it. But she doesn't like the one that's too strong,

but the one that just sort of blenmishes of it. So she, But I think when young kids are looking at this false image all the time and everyone has these big lips on the filters and everyone has the perfect face and the perfect nose, nothing's perfect. And I keep just drumming that in. And now I feel like I broke it through with my daughter, Venezuela.

I feel like as she's matured this last year or so, dramatically in the last year, as a matter of fact, because she has actually started going on TikTok, making videos, just natural videos, talking just the way she is, and putting herself out there just as she is. There's no falseness. There's no like, oh, I can't say this.

I can't say that. I don't want to show this. I don't want to show that. She'll go on with like sudder cream clacked on all her little spots and she'll go on like dressing coat on or done or she'll just chat away. And I feel like that is more realistic and better for someone to see than just this perfect pose poised image that we see all the time. But it's also parents letting kids do these things.

I mean, I know it's okay to say, and you can't control your kids completely, but like if Venezuela came to me and said, like, she did, I don't like this, I don't like that on my face. I'm like, don't be so stupid. Don't be so silly. Like, you're fine.

You are fine. You know, reinstow that. And don't be like, yeah, well, if that's like that, let's get lick filler, you know, let's go get you an old job, you know? Yeah, yeah. These things that are happening with younger and younger, younger children, I think the parents, it's your.

job to try and build up confidence instead of fixing the problem, fixing the problem, fixing the problem. I hear what you're saying. Sometimes I feel like it's almost not enough, though. Like I've got three girls and a twin 10 year olds and one of them will often comment like, why does my eyebrows join in the middle? Why have I got this little, you know, pimple here or something? And she'll point things out and I'll say, oh, it's just skin. It's just your features, you know, and try and sort of celebrate, but even at 10 years old, she's clearly seeing images that are completely, you know, smooth, perfect faces, you know, perfect eyebrows. And then when she compares that to what she's seeing in the matter, even at 10 years old, you know, it's quite quite

so you do try and reinforce it, but I sometimes wonder whether that's even enough. I don't think, I don't think in this day and age you can judge yourself as the parent for thinking, And, like, everybody questions just as a parent, don't you? Did I do that right? Did I do it right? But if you try your best, it's the best you can do, isn't it? So like you say, to say to them, like, no, you're lovely as you are, don't be silly. I've got my daughter who's eight, and she always, she hates the hair on her arms.

And she really, really hates it. And she goes on, I've got hair on my arms. I've got hairy arms. And it's like, baby, everybody has that. It's normal. It's normal. It's nothing wrong. But, again, it's all this kind of body image looking right, looking right.

good. I mean, you've got all these little children doing skincare routines with their nails. And it's like, my kids do it. They mimic it. And I think you see it. Because even though I limit how much they go on tablets and how much they go on YouTube, that's another thing. How annoying is the fact that everybody's telling you goes on YouTube? Yeah. Yeah. You're telling the living room. You're a smart TV. It's about a year ago. And the kids had YouTube on the TV. I was like, how have you got YouTube on this? I didn't know that existed, right? I'm really, really, really nerdy with these things. I don't know. And I couldn't believe it. I walked in. And now it's like a battle every day. You're not watching YouTube. Put a cartoon on. You know, you're not doing that.

And I think there's just so much accessibility. And especially as a parent who's naive to it, like, I'll try and be on the ball. But then there's always something to kind of undermine me as a parent. There's something new. There's a new tablet. There's a new phone. There's a new way to get it on the telly, there's access everywhere. So it's really hard to control that. I do think it's a great idea what they're bringing out about the age restriction on social media. I think that's a really good idea.

Yeah. That's interesting you say that because obviously that's a big debate on our social channels around the social media ban for under 16s. And, you know, some parents will be like, yes, just ban, take the problem away from me, take all those battles and arguments away from me. There's enough that I have to monitor, like, you know, Set parental controls, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, the list is endless.

And like you say, having eyes on every single platform device and then school homework and everything, it's a lot. And I think also, though, there has to be, but the flip side of that is that some parents aren't so for the band because they think there'll be other ways that other sort of black holes online that kids will fall into that wouldn't have necessarily fallen into had the band. not been put into place. And I think also some parents might think that some social media channels are a support to their children, their teenagers. But the, so, you know, there is two sides of the argument, but I totally appreciate your point of view. But yeah, I think also the onus is on a lot of tech companies as well.

Because like you say, you bought that TV and it already had YouTube on it. That wasn't your choice. No, you don't. And I didn't even know until the kids was watching it. I couldn't understand. I was watching YouTube on the telly. Yeah. And that's not what you want to your family.

But imagine if you're older and your full-time business and you're working, you just don't know what your kids are accessing at home. Because you think, right, my kids don't have a phone or a tablet. You're seven-year-olds, Google and everything on your television in the living room or in their bedroom. Yeah. I do actually. I try, like, my kids don't have TV in their bedrooms. So I did, especially with the move now, I made sure because they had one before,

but it never really worked properly. we bought a telly. It never really worked properly. So I just unplugged it and I left it in there. They didn't watch telly in the rooms. I think it's easier that way. Because then you're kind of watching what they've got. And if they do have tablets, you can take them away.

It's monitoring what they've got. Yeah, I never had it growing up and my kids don't have it now. Me neither. Yeah, same. And we don't have a TV in our room either. I think it separates the family. I do. I think it separates the family.

I think if you're, you know, you've got one TV and you're all sitting in the front room and you're chatting and talking and talking. and I think that's nice. Obviously, it's not always like, you know, happy, happy home, but it is good to have that kind of involvement. But where everybody's just separated off, like, I'll shout my kids back, the teenagers, like Venezuela or Prince, like if they walk to the rooms, they go, yeah, they've got privacy. But then after a while, I'm like, hello, come here, come down, sitting here, talk to your family. Look at me, yeah. And I think you have to kind of do that and keep pushing for that relationship. Yeah, absolutely. I was going to, so this leads me to my next question,

Because the last time we spoke, we were at the launch of your eternal collagen supplements, which you are an ambassador for the brand. And I know they're part of your wellness routine, let's say. So I was going to say how in all this chaos, how do you keep yourself grounded? Because I know you're into your well-being and your rituals. We talked about the last time. But do you want to share some other tips of how you stay grounded in the chaos? I think it is, I have. have to psychologically believe I can't get ill. I cannot get ill. So my way of dealing with that and my way of trying to assure that happens is I have always been prominently taking vitamins. I always took vitamins. My mom done it. My mom was raised in America. So I don't know if it was like an American sort of push product, but it was like, take your vitamins, take your vitamin. Even when we was young, it was like vitamins, vitamins, everybody got a vitamin every morning. So I carried that on as I got older and I found, you know, especially when I was lacking in things, I'd go anemic at times and I'd take like extra iron, extra vitamin Cs and all these different things to try and keep myself well. And then when I decided to work with maternal collagen, I looked at it kind of like skeptical. I'd heard of collagen.

My mom took it. My mom had been taking it. She was like, oh my God, this is making my skin great. This is making my skin great. She took it for the last few years. and when they came to me, I was like, okay, collagen is something that you need for your skin. It puts the bounce back in your skin and it kind of makes you look good. And I'm not really one of them to be too bothered about. I mean, of course I want to look good, you know. I'll go and buy the creams at times and I'll take the nod to you. We'll like a little bit of help. Yeah.

Yeah, we all like a bit of help. But then I can go back to a bar of soap and a pot of nivia, you know. It's one of their bounces. So as a woman, I then looked into it and I thought, well, that sounds good. I should do that, but then I asked what else does it do? And Eternal Collagen had 19 essential vitamins in it. And none of the other brands on the market at the moment had that many vitamins. Or they may have had one or two, maybe three, but none of them had loads like FNAI should

help you with your keep off flus and things. Yeah, your immune system. All the different vitamins. All good for you. And I thought, you know what? That sounds great. I asked about it. We looked into the science.

We looked into the different things. and I tried it, I tested it, and I said, I'm happy to endorse this. I don't believe in endorsing things that I wouldn't want to buy. I wouldn't endorse something, you know, just for the sake of it. I think you've got a, I've got great fans and I've got people who follow me, and I don't want to tell them, you know, get this, get that, it's a load of rubbish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I looked into it and I found it was great.

I started taking it, and I felt the difference after a few weeks because... That's brilliant. At that moment, I wasn't really taking a lot of my bit of it. I go through phases, I go through moments, and I know I get like a bit of a twitchy eye when I know I'm run down. So I know that. My friend calls me a malfunctioning Barbie

because the blonde hair and the eye going like this, you're like a malfunctioning again. So I felt a bit like that. That's what I need. She actually said to me, you look like a malfunctioning Barbie. She said, you've got to fix this. The eyes twitching, you know, the fingers are twitching.

So I then, I started taking it, and I started to feel that bounce back in my step. I started to feel that bit of energy again. And I found another thing that happened after about a month or so, my nails was growing and I've never, ever been able to grow my nails. I still bite them. I still do bite them. But they was stronger.

So I wasn't biting them because they wasn't snagging. So I found that I felt it was making a difference to me. So my hair felt better, my nails felt better. I felt good. And then when I took it for a few months, my full house come down ill, really ill. Oh, good. everyone was ill, everyone had the really bad bug that was going around, and I didn't get it. So, like, every one of them got it, but it was in stages.

You believe in that. Your kids love to do it in stages. Like, as one gets rid of it, the next one gets it. Like dominoes. Yeah. Like dominoes that last, instead of lasting two or three days, it lasted two or three weeks. So Tyson got it, the kids got it. All of them was falling ill. And I was just walking around, like the immune person, like, oh, this is good.

And I can only hold it to take an eternal collagen. So that is how I look after the kids. I basically know that I have to look after myself to look after all of them. And I just convince myself mentally, I can't be ill. That's it. I just can't. If I fall... We can't be ill.

We can't be ill. I find, like, if I do, it's... It's just not good. Yeah, everything. It's like the house of cards. It all comes to me. And I'm sorry, J.B., but Tyson, I don't know if you're guilty, but if he has a cold, he's dying.

He has man blue. And if I had the same cold, if we both have this... cold. We both have a running nose. We both have a cough. It's not the same. I've got a different one to you. It's not the same. So, you know, I think guys do get a bit more man flu where even if I was feeling under the weather, I would push through. Yeah. I mean, I can't, I can't hold my hand up and say that I'm part of that click because I don't, work is work. And when it's on, I'm on, I would literally have to not be able to move to call in sick. I don't get it. Because people who are working in office these days. I mean, they've got sick days. They've got sick day. They've got sick

everything. I'm like, I don't understand. How does that work? It doesn't work to me. I remember years ago. I always had that same method, that same work ethic. And when I was 16, I had a job in a beauty salon. So anyways, I felt ill this morning, but I knew I had a full column, so I had to go in. So I went in. And it was, it's really embarrassing and a gross story, but my nose was trickling on the tissue near this girl's nails. And I was like, I just do the nails. And then the manager came over and she's like, you need to go home. I'm like, I mean, so.

Yeah, we're going to start getting complaints. The woman gets the nails there must have been like, oh my God. Oh, what a work ethic, though. Love that. Before we wrap up, because I know J.B. He's got some quickfire questions for you in a minute. Yes, indeed. But I want to just check in because I know you'd had, I saw a little glimpse of a very

lavish ceremony of renewing your vows on the Netflix. documentary, which looked fantastic. Was that in Thailand? Was that when you were away in Thailand? No, that was in Nice. We have a really good, we have a big thing for the south of France and Nice, and we decided to renew our wedding vows. It was the third time. I have two wedding bands, if you can see there. So that was my engagement ring from when I was 17, and then I've got two wedding bands.

I didn't put a third one on because I thought like, no, like there is no room there. But we got married when I was 18 and Tyson was 19, 20. And then we renewed our vows in New York City just by ourselves years later. And I only had the two kids at the time, so it was at least 10 years ago. And then Tyson asked me to remarry him. It was on the last show. And I thought it was like a joke, like I thought, what? And then when we was off camera, like, by ourselves, he's like, no, like, I think we really should.

We should, like, it'd be nice. And I said, well, it would be nice. Like, yeah, it would be lovely. So we ended up booking a ceremony when we was on holiday with the kids. And I said, I don't, Tyson wanted a full big gypsy wedding. He wanted, like, he wanted a big party. I was like, come on, like, Tyson. He is all or nothing, right?

He is all or nothing. And I did have to say, I was, Venezuela was wounded by this conversation. He was like, you two are creeps. You are married. What are you doing? Like, she did not find it amusing at all. And I said, look, like, we're going to. have to tame it in. It'd be nice for

us, but we don't need to, like, have everybody there. It just needs to be a nice, simple ceremony. And it was beautiful, like, and I haven't seen that episode. I'm dying to see it because I really want to see because obviously, it's watching your wedding video, whoever's been married, and yet you

wait for that wedding video to come back. So, yeah. Which, by the way, they don't do anymore. They don't give you a, there's no a wedding video or a DVD, is there? It's so weird. So weird. Yeah, it's just a file. You just get a file. Yeah. Yeah, fine. So if Venezuela, I'm interested, and I've got to ask, and it's up to you if you tell me the answer.

But if she's saying that she was like, pulling faces when you guys, when Tyson was asking for this big gypsy wedding, I'm guessing she's not on, she's not rolling with that for her wedding. No, Venezuela, Venezuela said when she gets married, she wants it to be a simple family wedding. Oh. So, yeah, when she does do it, that's what she said she wanted. and she wants it to be. I think I say that. I say what a simple family wedding is to us. It's probably like a full crazy chabang.

With all the girls and boys. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like our initial first, like if you had aunts and uncles and cousins, there's like 100 people stuff. Yeah. It's still. So a family wedding and your family is a huge wedding.

It's a big wedding. Yeah. So intimate family wedding, the intimate would have to be blocked off, you know. crazy family wedding might be more the words but yeah that's that's what she said and she's not set a date yet has she well she's looking she's trying to all right she's she's trying to figure everything out but it's um it's going good oh that's so sweet how are you feeling about it all paris because you know this is like i guess the next big step for her isn't it because she's kind of walking into to her own adult future really i know she's still quite young but you know

It's going to be a big change. Obviously, she's going to move out. And, you know, all their sorts of things that come with getting married and starting your own family and stuff like that. Well, I've seen, obviously, Venezuela has been open with the fact she's getting married and she's excited and this is what's happening. And our life is open. Our life is an open book because there's no point in trying to be private because we just don't work that way.

It doesn't work. So, you know, people are interested in what we're doing. So Venezuela has had a load of negative output on the fact that she's getting married. people have had great opinions on the fact she's too young, you know. Why is she? What was the word, the term that I really stuck with me. She needs to live her life. I don't understand what part of this is not living her life.

I don't get it. The two of them have got plans to travel. The two of them have got plans to get their own home. The two of them, she's got plans to carry on with her business endeavors that she's trying to work out at the moment or social media platforms. modeling things, different things that she's still taken on. I don't see it. I can't, I mean, I don't know if it's the way I've been raised.

I can't see where she's not living her life. I don't understand it. She's in a relationship. They want to make it more concreted. They are taking that relationship to the next level. And they are going to live their life together. I can't. My brain is baffled by the point of she's young.

She shouldn't make these big decisions. But yet a 16-year-old could make a decision to travel to Australia and do three years in Australia. A 17, 18-year-old can make a decision to go to college in Denmark or in America. You know, they're all serious choices. They all include the parents' heart getting ripped out because they're going to leave the nest. You know, that's it. Whatever age they are, if your child decides to leave the nest, whatever day, I don't know.

Maybe if you had like a 29, 30-year-old son in the basement who just doesn't. go. Maybe you've been to get him like, you go now, you go, you do you. But you know, if you've got a young kid, 20, 2016, 15, 16, 22, 25, and it's the first time they're going to fly the nest, you're going to feel it. Like, all parents are going to have their apprehensions where they, they're feeling like, oh, I'm so worried. You see it on the movies where they go to college and the parents are crying in the room. That's going to be me. I'm going to be in the room crying. But I am so happy for her. Honestly, yeah. Exactly me. And I'm really happy for her that she is, you know, that's her choice. That's what

she wants to do. And she's happy. I see it in her so much compared to how she was maybe 12 months ago. She is so comfortable in her own skin as in she feels more confident. She's so happy. She glows. She giggles. She laughs more. Where before, it was always kind of like, you know, oh, well, what do people think? What would they think? What wouldn't they do? You know, this, this Venezuela has really grown more confidence. And if that's the side I'm seeing, great. And I do love at the negative output. I understand I'm not blind.

She is obscenely young. And when she gets married, she'll still be young. But I don't see that point of people's opinion of like she should live her life. She is living her life. But I don't know if there's a little bit of negativity with like stigma and opinions. not knowing how our culture works as well. I think people have an opinion.

And I try and step forward because I know loads of business women in the traveller community who literally boss their way through. They do their kids and they do their work. And if they don't have kids, they go even better. Like they can be really successful women.

But that just gets swept under the market, under the rug. And it's just like, oh, you're just housewives. You don't do anything. And I think that stigma comes with uneducated people who don't realize that we live in the 21st century and everybody's living in the 21st century. So here we are. Hopefully promoting a good image.

Yeah. I think going back to what we're saying before with social media, everyone's got an opinion, right? And that's an outlet where everyone airs it. And if you're going to, if you are going to put yourself on those platforms, you are going to get people's opinion, attract people's opinion. 100%. And I have tried to train my kids to do not read them negative things. Do not read them. If they're there, literally you start to read it, you pass it by.

I try and do the same. I can take it on board. The only time it kind of triggers me is when it's about the kids. Because I think, you know, I'm... A bit below the belt. Yeah, a bit below the belt. You know, you're picking on a 14-year-old boy. You know, you are some fully grown man or woman sitting at home telling my son you have,

you've got a weird shaped face. You grew up. you all wouldn't do with that jaw and them tears. I think like, how pathetic are you? But for me, I don't take any heed to any negative comments, because I have said in the past that I really am vocal about this. I don't believe you should take on any negative opinions at all unless it's from your close family and friends.

Nobody's perfect. I do not feel like I am above opinions, but I wouldn't take the opinion of a stranger. I would take the opinion of my close friends and family. So my mom says to me, you know, that don't look right. Okay, right, okay, maybe that's, maybe I don't know that. You'll take it. Yeah, I'll take it.

But if a stranger says you look weird, you look horrible, you look this, it's like, yeah, thank you, great. Do you. Jog on. Yeah, job on. And I'm trying to install that into the kids that all that there, you will get it. Even if you, even if you was doing everything right, being perfect, doing it all good, you know, you're going to have someone trying to pull you down and ignore them completely. Yeah. see, Paris, you are brilliant advice. I love it. I feel like we need to instill you as

Agony Horn or something. It's just so great with your advice and your honesty as well. But I'm going to hand you over to J.B. for a quick fire round. Sure. I'm not ready, Paris. It's not anything too difficult, but we've just got a few questions that if you can answer quick fire, would be brilliant for our listeners to hear. Okay, you ready? Clear my mind. Okay. Okay. One word to describe your household. Crazy. Okay. We'll take that.

Yeah, we will take that. Okay, who runs the house? You or Tyson? Me. Yep, I guess the answer to that one. You're like no-brainer. Yeah. I probably should have added in kids to that one.

No, they're not involved. Me. I hear that. Love that. Hardest parenting stage. teenage girl. Okay. Young, 12, 13, just kicking in.

New teenage girl. New teenage. Because 12 to 13 year old teenage girls because they're so emotional, they cry at the slightest thing, they shout at the slightest thing. It's that Kevin and Perry phase. It's like, oh my God, you're so embarrassing. I ain't you. And you go through it.

And I think you just have to ride the waves. Keep them grounded and just know that it changes. It switches up. But yeah, that one I found the hardest bit. And the sleepless nights on a newborn. The sleepless nights on a newborn are hard. Yeah, that's pretty hard as well. Yeah, I definitely take that teenage one on board

because Ace is about to become a teenager. I was just going to say, how old your girl? Yeah. Yeah, so she's seven. She's seven, okay. You've got a couple more years. They'll get a bit sassy around that age. They get a bit like to start answering back and having opinions,

but it's that 11, 12, 13, it's like, oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, and last one, last one. One thing that you wish you'd known earlier. About parenting. Yeah. Or bringing up kids. Yeah, I, you know, something I wished I'd knew earlier.

I'm going to go, because it's in my mind. I'd say that it can't be perfect all the time, and people, you shouldn't take on, You know? I think, I think like you're doing good. You're doing, you're doing good. You're doing the best of you. As long as you're trying, trying your best, I mean, let's not go down the horrible negative road, but there is some parents that don't stand up to par in a very severe way, in very severe ways. But on a general basis, we all love our children. And if you love your kids, you're trying your best and you're putting your most effort in. And if some days it don't work,

that's it. That's it. Everyone's the same. You know, don't take judgment on and think, like, everyone's looking at me. Like, my kid isn't dressed right, my, they haven't got the right uniform. They don't have the right, like, my kids have needed a PE kit. And this is so embarrassing, but my kids have needed a PE kit for about six weeks now. Six weeks. I keep getting a message, your kids need a PEKK, they need a PEK kit. And they keep loaning, you know, the ones out the bag.

You know, the ones they have to go. And my boy, who's nine, he's like, I'm not wearing someone else's a gym shorts again. I was like, I will get you a PE kit. I will get there. I'm trying. It's on the list. It's on the list. It's on the list.

And I keep meeting to do it and it hasn't happened. So like we all fail at times. Yeah. It's just that's it. So don't worry too much. Don't be hard on yourself. Yeah. Don't put too much pressure on yourself.

I had that this morning when I was just about to leave the house and I got a message for my 13 year old saying, you haven't booked a student performance day, which is like parents evening. It's happening right now. And I was like literally putting my shoes on to leave the house. I'm like, you know, it's like, I had parents evening a couple of week ago and I've got four in the one school. And it was all at different times. It was really awkward. It was like, one was it the half three, one was at the half four, one was at five 55. It's like, oh. And I was late for the two in the middle. I was like completely late. Like I just, I came home thinking I could come home and go back again. And then I had to run in and I was like, you know, the hectic mom like, and it's a new school as well. So I didn't know where I was going. I don't know any of the. teachers and I was like um and you look like you feel like that bad mom like um I don't know what

teacher I'm looking for I don't know who teaches my child like you haven't got it together yeah but we don't all have it together all the time this stuff happens yeah and I have kind of grown with that I think that's you learn to grow with that like now I'm like an experienced parent I don't really care where years ago that would have been a big deal I just think oh the moms are looking at me I don't know where the class is and I you know now it's like you know hey I'm kind of like that bad teacher. Like, whoa, where I'm coming? It's good.

It's good. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Love it. I love it. I just love the way you talk openly and realistically and super grounded as well. And I'm sure a lot of parents will appreciate that. Yeah.

It makes you feel less alone. If I can help anyone, that's good. Paris, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Well, thank you so much, Paris. You have been absolutely wonderful and we have loved having you on the NetMum's podcast. Like such interesting, honest, chat and brilliant advice. I loved it. So if you enjoyed this parenting conversation and you'd like to hear more about family life, need support or reassurance, you can find it at Netmums.com and on the NetMum's socials. If you enjoyed this episode, hit follow, leave a review and come and join the NetMMMMs community.

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