The Nick DiPaolo Show - Replay: John Rocker | The Nick Di Paolo Show #1889R

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

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Hi, guys, Joe Palneck, back on the men. First things first. Fellas, don't ever get on a Georgia hooker without a dental dam. If you got any openings in there, things are bad quick. Anyways, I'm feeling much better. Cut it a little close, a little sepsis action. But I'm home. I'm on a home IV, and I will see you Monday, May 18th. It's the next time we'll do a show.

In the meantime, we're going to throw up some bitching kitchens, maybe some old reruns. That being said, yeah, I look forward to seeing you guys again. And if I die, the wife did it. Welcome, folks, on a beautiful Thursday. Got a great show. It's a Thursday before Christmas. Got a great show. Thursday before Christmas?

Don't we releasing this tomorrow? Oh, and we're not coming back. That's right. Got a great show. A guest. You know, I don't have many, but what I do, former Major League pitcher John Rocker, the controversial, outspoken John Rocker, had a great, great interview with him, and he's just what you'd think. I fucking love just honest and blunt, and you don't want to miss that.

Let's check out some of his work right now if you're a guy. Here's the clip. Johnny Rotten. He's the mouth closed. I think everybody will. Let's him look up into the... That was old Johnny Boy at Chase Stadium. They weren't a big fan.

We get into why that was. So you're going to want to see that. My guest today, a former MLB flame throwing relief pitcher, mostly for the Atlanta Braves, outspoken athlete who I found refreshing, even back in the days everybody was getting on his ass.

It's one of my favorite athletes. They've got to be honest. John Rocker. John, welcome to the show. Nick, good afternoon. How are you doing? Very good. First of all, I love the kiss thing in the background. You're right. Actually, I have a, uh, um, do you know Mike Cortolone is? No. We had the idea. Mike, Mike was the, uh, drum for the damn Yankees back in the day.

It's been Skinner's drummer for 30 years and since they're part and file. He paying that when he was 18 years old. I've known Mike for, uh, 20 plus years anyway. I'd nagged him for a decade trying to buy that thing. and finally called one day. So I'm going to have a kiss pain. Like, yeah. Well, yeah, absolutely. So I bought her Mike about five, six years ago,

finally after Niagara about 15 years of he'd sell to me. You said the damn Yankees now. Ted Nugent was in the band. Oh, I know. Mike was Ted drummer, first, you know, several years of the damn Yankees. It was so funny because I was going to bring up Ted Nugent to you later on in the conversation, just going. I love Ted.

I'm going to tell with Ted many times. I was going to say. Something told me that you guys probably have met each other many times or whatever. Yeah, and one of my little claims to fame, I was so impressed by it when I was like 25 or 26, maybe a little more, maybe 28ish, doesn't really matter. Ted wrote a book, God, Guns, and Rock and Roll, I think. Yes. Give me a mention on the thanks page.

John Rocker's thanks. I mentioned on the thanks page. That was a pretty big deal. I had him on the show. I'm about 12 years older than you, so I saw, I saw Ted Nassau. Nugent in 1975, I want to say I was 13

at the Cape Cod Coliseum and to this day I fucked up my left ear. He was so loud he literally years later he'll still ring now absolutely.

He damaged my about three weeks after the concert it was still ringing and then ever since when I get on the phone I have to switch sometime and I wear it like a badge

of fucking honor. Send him a fucking bell you know Yeah, we had him on, we had him on this show, and I was just thrilled to talk to this guy. It was like, well, what it would just, I mean, top five all time with your tour and say, I mean, good God. I can sit and listen to, I got to play all day. And you know what, John?

You know what, John? You say that, and it's definitely fucking true. And he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But because he gets traded like you and I and any other guy outspoken white guy, he's not in the Rock Roll Hall of Fame and there's no doubt all the political bullshit, you're right. It just amazes me.

I thought, you know, in comedy, it's very obvious when you're outspoken. I started, you know, speaking. I've been doing comedy for 37 years, so I've been taking a lot of flack. And there was gigs where I did really well on the road. I'd come home. And my agent would go, yeah, they don't want you back.

And I go, I fucking ripped the tits off the crowd, the whole weekend and and and and they go yeah they I never got a straight answer I didn't figure it out to years later you said one one crime liberal bartender and threatened to quit if you fucking came back or you know some shit like that you know the club manager you know got a got a fucking hard on over some gay joke you told over some shit yeah that's exactly right that's all it takes I try to tell my wife uh there's a lot of time she's like I don't understand why the bank is doing this to us. I don't understand why the cable guy is not

showing up. I go, honey, I'm not world famous, but when we lived up in New York, the west of north of New York City, I said these people up here know me. I'm the fucking redneck of Westchester County. I'm on TV enough. So I would always blame the dentist.

I got to hear your action. You got that sort of northern kind of country accent sort of blended. It's really an odd tone. It's a hybrid. You're right. It's a hybrid. You're right. It's a hybrid of both sides and the fence there. It's a hybrid of New York and Boston. When I get drunk, I sound like a Kennedy. It's really ridiculous. But let me ask you, before we get into the politics, I just want to talk a little baseball and stuff, because I really did.

I was living in New York City when all that shit down went down with the Sports Illustrated article. First of all, what are you doing right now? Are you coaching, teaching? I don't even. You know, I do some. My mentor when I was playing, if you're a baseball enthusiast, you know, you know the name Tom House. Yes. Tom was my mentor to last like probably four years I played. He's got an organization

called the National Pitching Association. So I travel around and do some camps at Tom or with some local kids this past year. A little teammate of mine, Damien Moss. Damien played a couple years to the big leagues. We came up with the minors together. He's got a college of Woodback League that he runs

out of the Braves New Spring Transit School out of Minnesota. We got married about six weeks, eight weeks with him, working a bunch of college pitchers. Do some real estate development. I've got a couple of deals going right now, building a town home deal in Tuscaloosa, about 50 yards from the stadium in Tuscaloosa. It's one of the betteries I've ever done. And a couple of little dirt deals.

And trying to kind of just be sort of semi-retired to. Good for you. Little of this, little of that. Here's how I know Tom House, because did he not catch Hank Aaron's homewood? Did he not? He did. I was a lot of time of death. He was such a character.

Yeah. Good picture to it. I remember him catching him. He played for Boston. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Boston, Atlanta. He played four or five teams.

You played for, obviously, the Braves, I remember. But you, you, you, you, you, uh, Tampa Bay, the Rangers, right? Yeah, Cleveland as well. Yeah. Yeah. Once I left Atlanta, well, once I left Cleveland, got in Texas a couple years, I was hurt pretty much the whole time. But like a dumb ass, would never, never put myself on the DL.

It was, you know, that was back in the, if you, if you can't beat them out milligram of days. Stink more shit in my ass, you know, swalling more pills and get me back out there. Yeah, it didn't go so well when you're pitching, your pitching half broke the whole time.

So I should have shut down and litify another day, but it just was not my mentality. No, you're a bulldog. We're talking to John Rocker. And let me ask you about today's pitchers. I mean, Jesus, they're so, first, let me,

they seem to be pampered. I mean, these guys, these stars... That is a gross understatement. It is. When the kind of money got invested in them, you know, who can blame it, you know? When you're paying the pitcher a million dollars every time you stick to a toe touches rubber, yeah, I don't want to break my guy either, you know. And they're all feeble as shit.

I mean, hell, half an Atlanta's stand, I've got to hurt this year. I don't understand why. You know, you make it blame on the travel ball. you know back you know back in our day or certainly my day I mean I went from sport to sport to sport I played you know three if not four sports a year and you took your baseball spikes off and you picked your football helmet up put your football helmet down you pick your basketball up

and so I never pitched more than I don't know 30 or 40 innings maybe 50 innings for an entire season right I mean I'm working with some kids now and they're one kid particular was going to be probably a top three round draft he's a fucking stud he just got done play and I kept telling him Sit your fat ass down. Take some time off.

Rest is underrated. Would not listen to me. Of course, their high school season starts, you know, mid-January. Obviously, the weather's better here in Florida. He just got done playing first week in November. Like, God damn, son. You play in, you know, ten and a half months out of a year. Wow.

Like, your 17-year-old body can't take that shit. So by the time these guys get to the big leagues, you know, they've probably got three or four, five, hundred more innings on their arms than I did what I got in the big leagues. I thought. That's got to be the call for. Well, that has to be. But see, I, then I did this other theory where they start babying these kids in Little League now.

They up that they can only throw 30, 40 pitches or whatever. That's good, though. Is that good? Most of these kids have shit deliveries. So they do, because you'll have these dumbass coaches and, you know, in quest for a fucking plastic ring. They'll run their stud out there three straight days and just just wear them out. So that's almost to protect the kid from some idiot coach, which I like that shit. I do like it.

Well, that's interesting. I wanted to hear it from somebody who knew because it were two theories. I heard a pro ball player in an interview going, well, they start in a baby these kids too early and they don't develop, but you don't develop strength throwing, like you said. Your mechanics are going to. Yeah, most of me, I see some kids now, and I don't work with too many young kids, but I get some. and I see some kids now like just watching you throw

physically hurts my body to watch you throw like your delivery is so fucking bad we gotta fix this shit guy I mean head going this way front side flying open four little arm dragging behind just screaming for dear life and yeah you you

you you feel like that for a long period of time I mean that is a shoulder and definitely an elbow just weight in a half especially little young immature bodies and they don't be able to just just just you know have no maturity whatsoever to them you can't you can't you can't you can't though like that so um but yeah i'm that's the theory that these guys get to the you know get to the league with a lot more wear and tear on them than we did

uh we played more important but again i mean they also have a lot better training i mean some of the shit that i come across now as far as arm care some of the stuff tom houses come up with it's just genius really and i had nothing well when i'm in high school i had nothing um no pitching coach no arm care program i was fortunate enough my junior high school to tear my labor on swinging a bat. And so I had got an orthoscopic surgery. And that's what told me how the little bit of rudimentary arm care I learned was from rehabbing that shoulder surgery.

Prior to that, I mean, like, I don't need to be working out. I just got no clue what to do. But nowadays, if you've got these kids, they've got hitting coaches, a pitching coach, and street coaches, nutritionists, and, you know, and little Johnny's hitting fucking 220 for the 13 U-tee. And he's got all this team, you know, team around him, so you get at 220.

But yeah, they take it seriously. I mean, they spend a ton of money too. I mean, they'll spend three, four, five grand a year. Wow. For, for Timmy to travel around and play travel ball, you know? Timmy's going to be the next Derek Jeter, so we've got to keep that in mind. They're all going to pay off. Yeah, they all are.

They all are. They all are these days. I can relate to the shoulder problems because, look, I was in high school in the late 70s. And, you know, lift and wet. Nobody warmed up, nobody stretched and shit. I was benching with the linemen. I was a running back and little that I know I was still growing. The doctor explained it to me after I dislocated both of the, both shoulders, by the way,

over 10, 15 times each. And not only dislocated, I separated them. And then the doctor explained to me after I had surgery when I was out of high school that when you lift in that young and lifting that heavy, your muscles are stronger than your joints. And somebody would come up to me literally and slap me and my shoulder would get. Eventually, I'm on the football field and my shoulders kept popping out and shit. Yeah, let's start telling you guys for a loon.

Yeah, not quite yet, but I went on to, I had surgery by a great fucking doctor. And I was told not to play, but I went on the University of Maine and I walked on and earned a scholarship. And that's the thing I'm most proud of today. but they stayed intact. This fucking doctor, I still remember his name, Lyle McKaley. He was the expert on it. I brought his name up four years ago

to a doctor in the York. He goes, I went to see him speak at Harvard a couple months ago. He's like in his 80s. He's got some in the medical field. Yeah. Did he get both of them? Yeah.

He fixed both of them. He did my first. You walk around like this for like two months? Not at the same. Not at the same time. Not at the same time. but he did my first one and he said to me i remember my dad was in the room he goes i've been doing about 25 uh 25 these a year for the last 30 years he goes that was the worst one i've ever seen

and then when he did my second one he goes he i did the second one he goes that was worse than your first one he goes there was fucking bone chips floating around you know you your lelibram was torn you're fucking and i know because my buddy would literally come up to me and slap me and i it would click and I'd go, you know, I was like, I'm gonna get this fixed. And what ended it was me jumping off a, me and my buddies, fucking idiots jumped off a 75 foot

into the quarries. And I went in like this, John. And this one came out. And I remember telling the doctor and he goes, he goes, what if both of them can't? You could own right to the fucking bottom. Seriously, right at the bottom. I don't know what I do now.

Great. The shoulder is such a shitty joint. It's just as a horribly designed, a horribly put together part of our body. It's a shitty joint. It doesn't work for shit. Well, it doesn't. Is it the joint, John, or is it the motion pitching, which is unnatural? Well, it is the joint.

I mean, it's not a ball and socket. It's literally bone just stuck to another bone and it's wrapped up with connected tissue and muscle and stuff. Let's just tape this thing in there and hope it sticks. It's not going to. I don't know anyone. well, I don't know anyone. I know a lot of people that their sports careers ended in

freshman near a high school that have had cuffs done. I was reaching up to get a coffee cup. Holy shit. I mean, I got my right cuff is busted right now, but I have my left cuff done. It was such a miserable surgery. This doesn't have to stay broke. I'm not getting it fixed.

I don't really deal with this pain in a scale of 1 to 10 of 1 for the rest of my life and deal with a 10 for, three or four months. That's not going to happen. So, yeah, what I did, nothing, you know, nothing I can ever point to. It's just a gradual thing. The shoulder is just a, it's just a joint that's just,

it'll design. You didn't have, but you didn't have shoulder elbow problems, right? When you were pitching? Oh, yeah. That's what, that's what ended the career. I played 13 years, minors and big leagues without going to the table list a single time, 13 years of complete health. And remember when Peyton Manning had the pinch nerve of his neck? Yes.

C5 pitched nerve and he shut himself down for a year. Yes. I had the same thing. And that nerve when it gets impinged, that's what causes the rotary cuff muscles to fire. And I have a cup muscle that arm down. And when you have no nerve telling those muscles to fire, arm just starts up and nothing to slow it down. So I had, we got, you know, five cuff muscles. Two of them are 85% tore.

I mean, almost torn through. my label was torn off the bone my humorous was about hanging about two inches below my scapula and I can literally take three fingers and shove it right there under my scapulule and this looked disgusting but it was just

it was it was painkillers and anti-inflammatories juice me up let's keep going I was still throwing 95 I'd be hurt like shit but I was still throwing 95 and really affected command but yeah just kept kept going kept going

and then finally it just kept getting, you know, hurt worse and worse and worse. And at the end, when I'm finally, like, yeah, I got to see Dr. Andrews. I mean, it was trying to get loose for 25 or 30 minutes to, you know, throw 86, 87 miles an hour.

I'm like, what the hell is wrong with me? And when I got there to see Jimmy, he's like, John, I liken your shoulder to this. If you're riding down the interstate, going 80 miles an hour, and he blew your tire out, and he kept driving three miles. The way your shoulder looked is how your tire would if that's what you did.

Wow. He's like, why do you? Yeah, so. That's a good doctor. Had a surgery and try to come back, but it just, just too much damage. And by the time he fixed it, too much scar tissue, and it's just, you know,

it just couldn't put Humpty W back together again. Yeah. We're talking to the great John Rocker. One more baseball question before we move on. Well, actually too quick. First of, why are Dominican so good at baseball? Because they really seem to. First of all, they, you know,

just got raw town. But second of all, The weather down there, they play probably 300 days a year. They'll literally, because they're all poor shit. They'll play a rock ball. They'll have a stick and a rock, and that's their equipment. I've got a lot of Dominican friends, and I can think of two or three right now that literally told me they did not own a pair of shoes, and they were like 12 years old. We're barefooted from birth to 12 years old.

They're going to a pair of shoes. Shoeless Jose Jose Jackson. Yeah, yeah, one guy was going to pass for Matos. The other guy was got him, O'Dalph Perez, who actually just passed away last year. Yeah, so they did not own a pair of shoes. They're almost teenagers. But, yeah, they're resilient, you know, and, yeah, the game is tough for them. They try to learn how to hit a rock and hit the baseball.

That just got a hell a lot easier. No, that's definitely. I can hit a volleyball now. You shit me? That's going to be really easy. So they did it. and just genetically gifted too that's guys can play.

I know. I was going to say every, it seems like every team fucking brings in a closer or a setup guy is a giant Dominican or whatever. Just fucking bringing it too.

Bringing it. Bringing it. 100, 102. It's like, what the fuck. Well, let me talk about the guns too,

though. Ah, I know it. Back in the day, you know, I was in a steroid era. And I'll give you a couple miles an hour. I'll give you a little wife.

Roger Clement. And, you know, and you see everybody in a joke in a bullpip. I'm going to stone under 98. And I'm like, bullshit. Because you can,

you know, you play as long as I play. You watch much baseball as I watch. You can tell the hitter's reaction. Ah. And, you know, and first of all,

you can't make a ball going 101, 102 miles an hour, sink like some of these balls. And these balls are fall off the table. Yeah. The ball just cannot spin fast enough against that type of velocity

to, to sink, you know, 11 inches this way and, you know, six inches that way. It just, it just, it's physically impossible. It's physics impossible.

But I saw a YouTube video a few months ago, six months ago, something, questioning the velocity today, like where our gun shows. And who's the clover for the Mets? Can't call us down top of my head. Anyway, you know, got those good. He's supposedly 99001. They took a 101 mile of fastball of his, and compared to a 97-mile-hour fastball, Pedro Martinez.

Pedro's fastball was in the MET. the closing of the Mets, his fast wasn't crossed the plate yet. So Pedro's got to the Mett about six to seven feet quicker than the ball that was supposedly 1001. No shit. I think the guns now is out of the hand. When we played gun, was at the dish. Ah.

As the hitter saw, as it's crossing the plate, was 97. As it's coming out of the hand, 101, but a ball loses, you know, four or five miles an hour. Right. You know, on the 60-foot trip. So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, That's what's going on. So we,

ooh at all, and you won't let guys take steroids anymore, so you got to trick fuck everybody with, you know, with camera tricks and juice guns and all the kinds of stuff. I'm still going to the ooze and odds, you know. See, this is great. No pun intended inside baseball.

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I was living in New York City when you came to New York and gave you, in a Sports Illustrated interview, you gave your opinion in New York City. I'm going to read it for people who didn't. This will be good for people like young kids who, you know, they'll shit the pants. You and I wouldn't blink at this, but they, at the end, at the beginning of the interview, they asked you if you'd ever play for the Mets of the Yankees, you go. I'd retire first. It's the most hectic nerve-wracking city.

Imagine having to take the seven train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut to sit next to some kid with purple here next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to a to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing. The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square. Now it's down to a fucking half a block. and not hear anybody speak in English Asians, Koreans, Vietnamese, Indians, Russians,

Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get into this country? And, you know, I mean, that, by the way, was not a retortable question. I want to answer. And now we know. They start caravans from Venezuela, just fucking hoof it.

You know, let's just say, here we go, fucking go to walk about. And again, you know, that's a little broad, I'm like foreigners. I know. I probably got in my phone that I'm talking to you on. I probably got, I don't know,

25, 30 guys in there that aren't from this country that I'm friends with. I play balls and I play golf and regularly, things like that. Right. It's the stimulation factor. It's not that you can't speak English is you make no effort to learn English.

You're right. You know, when I was playing baseball, I played winter ball four times. I played Venezuela once and Puerto Rico three times. And I was down, you know, each set was in three to four months. I always knew I was coming home, but I'm in your fucking country.

And when I'm down there, I'm celebrating, you know, your little parades, your little holidays of the Three Kings Day Parade. Puerto Rico was there, like the biggest day of the year. It's a big parade, big festival.

I've got that thing every year, with all my, you know, Puerto Rican teammates. When I was down there, my Spanish used to be pretty good. As much as I could, I would speak Spanish. I would try to simulate myself

into their culture. And I knew I'm going home in 28 days. right these folks are here they're never going on it's like you know what i'm not celebrating i'm not celebrating the betterness day you take thanksgiving and go fuck yourself with and your language fuck you i'm going to move into a neighborhood with a whole bunch of folks that came to the same place i did and we're to carve out a little Ethiopia here in the middle of Atlanta or New York or wherever and i'm not going outside of it um that's right uh what was the what was the uh the movie the dictator um

Wooda or something like that. Fake country, weird, weird, weird country name. But anyway, like that, little Wadaya or whatever the hell it was called. You're talking about Sasha Barrett Cohen, right? Yeah, yeah.

What a hilarious movie. Yeah, what a funny movie. But, you know, it's supposed to be a melting pot. Well, it's not like a melting pot. No, no. If all you do is leave your country and come and just get into a little community

surrounded by only people that are just like you, You never fucking leave. No. You're, you're, you know, you're, and it was such a big, and living in New York when that came out.

I'm, I'm, I'm a comic every night, I'm at the comedy seller, and I hear, you know, I'm in a business that leans left, obviously,

and I hear the comics, you know, we read the post every night, and they're sports fans, but they're talking about you and going, you know, I think that's ridiculous,

but, but I came in about three nights later after that, and I had a joke, I can't even, again, I had it worded perfectly, I went on stage and this is it, John, this is in

in the village in New York City which is on the campus of NYU so it's a bunch of young kids watch and I said yeah he was so fucking wrong I said I just took the subway down here if he was so wrong why did I see a sign that said learn English 1-800

pregnant call 4,500 he's people start of buses up there just people start of buses learn English yeah and that's right yeah and that joke even they had to laugh because you were so right on with a lot of the car.

Colin Quingles, that's the best joke you ever fucking wrong. I said, yeah, because I'm defending the truth here. I couldn't even believe people. You sort of, I'm not kidding you. That moment sort of made me lean heavy into defending, because I read a lot, you know, defending what you said. We played in New York. We always stayed at the Grand High, right above Grand Central.

And I'll take the seven train, the ballpark. We never take the four of Yankee. Oh, I took the seven train to Shea. That's right. If we were in town, probably three days. I was like out of that town. I just got to just grab a cab. I was at the hotel once in time to the ballpark.

I'm just right down the elevator in Grand Central and hop seven there. So I love it. I have to deal with stinky cabs and traffic and, you know, take an hour to have to get the ballpark. So yeah, don't talk about being there, been there, seen it many times. Yeah. And I was defending that. It was the same attitude I had on stage.

and you never I don't remember when you were being outspoken first of all I watched the clip and it was right after the article came out you were pitching against the Mets and I don't know who the fucking broadcast is where I should have played it but that's all they talked about where you're on the mound well I hope he doesn't say anything stupid tonight that's all you could tell how PC and I was just I couldn't believe it

how they were like ragging on you and then you got the last got a ground out that close out the inning You just walk with your chest out back to the dugout, and you were looking out. It was just fucking eyeballing people. Oh, you were eyeballing and smirking. I fucking love this guy. I just loved doing that shit, man. I think my whole career, I got two runs in the Mets, my whole career.

Yeah, you stifle them. Edgar Alfonso took me deep in Shea and Robin Ventura took me deep in Atlanta, both solo shots. That was it. Over, I don't know, 30 plus innings, anyway. A lot of many. your teammate and here's the other thing we're talking with john roger i don't remember when all that controversy was a good first of all i'm like this is controversial i say this shit every day um i don't remember hearing any stories about your black and brown teammates saying he's an

asshole or a bigot was there any no there wasn't any no these guys guys they're all my friends um and shit uh some years later i actually got yeah not a ton of years later like five six years later. I started a date and growing named Alicia Marie, who lived in Chelsea, by the way. It was part of New York. We used to go to the David Barton Gym across the Chelsea Hotel. I used to get hit on literally every time

I was in the gym, and my standard comeback was, sorry, I like pussy. It was one of the joints that, like, at 2 o'clock the afternoon, Tuesday, they had a DJ, a live DJ fitting in the gym. I remember. I remember. Yeah, I used to go around with her. She's black.

And she's worth a Google, too. She was Missed Muscle and Fitness. I saw a picture of her, dude. Smoking. She's worth of Google. Smoking. She's still fucking ripped. I check her every once in a while I was here on Facebook, and she's still toting 6% potty fat.

I just turned 50, so she's 48, 49-ish. She was in L.A. Now she's got like L.A. weird. She's got bleached blonde hair now and shit. I would have said to her. You had to select. About three and a half years. and for about the first year and a half,

I finally moved her to Atlanta. The first year and a half, every other weekend. I'm flying New York, you know, Saturday to Monday kind of shit. And the whole, you know,

the media or heaven forbid, media, if they got something wrong, oh, we got fucking Duke on that one. It was a PR stunt. Me dating a black woman from New York was a PR stunt. Yeah, there you go.

I mean, give me some credit, fuck face. You can't win, you can't fucking lose. That's a way. That's like when they go, you know, and you say, well, I got, one of my best friends is black. And they go, that's what racists say. Okay, if I say I don't have black friends, I'm racist.

If I say I do, I'm, shut the fuck up. Faggot. You can't, you can't fucking deal with them, man. No, it's, uh, you can't do it over and you can't kill them. You know, says who. Let me ask you that. So, obviously, Trump guy, have you felt, it doesn't it feel a little bit? like we're seeing finally a little bit of an end to this fucking PC.

And by a little bit, Nick, I mean a lot. Yeah. And honestly, finally, do you get the feeling liberals are finally just like, you know what? Fuck it. They just finally just giving up. I mean, when Trump beat Hillary back in 16, it was like, like, you just, you poke the horn's nest. And they were just coming out with just guns blazing. But after this time, who the fuck's fighting back?

back. I mean, CNN, they're just kind of like, you know what? We've thrown all the shit. We throw the kitchen seat at this guy for eight, at least eight, maybe nine plus years now. None of its fucking work. He won by the biggest popular vote margin.

Yeah. He got the most popular votes that any, in election history. This guy's fucking made a fucking cabwar. Our little, you know, liberal attacks that work on everybody else, don't work on him. and do you get to feel like they've just finally just given up?

I don't know. I'm a little more wary. I feel right now there's a calmness. Are they just regrouping like the next onslaught of bullshit? I still worry about Trump's safety because it's a religion to them. You and I, it's part of our life politics.

These fuckers have nothing else. Basically is they were fucking losers in life, I think. But they have nothing in life. life and this is their fucking religion. It's their only friends. It's their life. So I sort of tell what you just said they might be regrouping. And I get and you know, right now China, it depends who you're with all the drones in New Jersey and shit. And I did a story today with this guy who you've seen on Fox a lot. He's Asian guy who studies China for a living because he's Chinese, but he's been over here. He's Americanized. And he was given his theory on the drones and they're

looking for, apparently there's some, some radiation. They have this thing that measures radiation, and there's two danger zones, one in Connecticut and one in Jersey, where there's way more radiation that should be. So that's what those drones are looking for. This guy's really bright. He might be wrong, but I'm just saying, I've never seen, he's been on Fox for years. O'Reilly used to have him on a lot, and he was never fucking wrong about China. So he says, I don't want to get people in a panic. And it makes sense. That's why they won't tell us. The because people would panic if you said we're looking there's there might be some nuclear shit laying around on radioactive so yeah i'm a little i'm a little hesitant to say they've given up but i sure can

feel finally we're not going to go back to the pc horseshit that you went through and i go through no no one's going back there i think we can yeah let's let's let's hope let's hope the the pendulum swung to this side and and at least stayed this side for a while and if it does resettle maybe right in middle somewhere you know right in the middle somewhere yeah in the middle in the middle for me because they went so far left the fucking the middle should be uh one inch from radical right that would be the middle for me i was they called me there was a harvard did a study in comedians they had me as an alt-right comedian which i i fucking was so proud i'm like let me put that on my press uh and i'm not even that political i'm a huge comedy fan um you know i've put a lot of time with duck

Dan Hope over the years and Andrews poor favorite comics. And I mean, their jokes are not fucking, they're not left. I mean, some of the shit Doug says is fucking like, goddamn Doug. I'm just fucking sad, dude.

He's funny a shit. I got a fucking piece of work. Oh, yeah, I know him well. I've had some times with that guy. Yeah, well, love comedy, but, you know, I mean, like even Chappelle, I mean, Chappelle's fucking, I mean, I know he's a black guy, so he gets, you know, somewhat of a pass, but I mean,

his shit's fucking, I'm not sure what politics are. Yeah. But it's just way right, you know? The black, white supremacist, really? No, yeah, no, that's, his show, because that's he had white producers and stuff that, you know. But Chappelle, you know,

like you said, he gets a pass. You know, I would always bring that up. They go, oh, they're going to cancel. They try to cancel Kevin Hart, though, for the gay tweets or tech or whatever the hell it is. Yeah, they try to. And, you know, of course, that's after he has 300 million of the bank they try to cancel them. I was stupid enough to start talking like this before I had any money in the bank,

and it's probably why I barely have any now. But like, you know, Dennis Miller was smart enough to wait until he was famous. Tom Selleck, Bruce Willis, all these guys that are so-called right, they all came out after they had millions in the bank. But yeah, Chappelle's brilliant. Chappelle's brilliant. And he does play both sides well, but in the end, if you put a gut through his head, he'd kill you and I.

He'd probably so. One of the best nights I ever had with the punchline Atlanta, one of my good buddies, his father started the punchline. One of your pies, like, Johnny Esmizio. Yeah, John Esmizio. You ever played the punchline? Oh, God, many times. Okay, I've been there for so many times.

Again, my buddy, Johnny, his father, Johnny's senior, started that as well as Johnny's Hidaway. He was the original fan of Johnny's Hadoway. Right. He'd ever been of the Hadoway. So anyway, every time the big name would come town, John was calling me up. We see the show, hang out in the green room.

So we got to hang out with Charlie Murphy one night back in the green room. That was fun at about 5 a.m. Him and his whole crew with Charlie Murphy. Oh, man. Like, it's funny. Yeah, man. And he told me some of the time. I'm like, you know, they all happened to the Chappelle show.

And I'm not going to say the answers. I'm like, there's no way to hell of that. That's true, Charlie. It was kind of a ridiculous answer. I'm like, you'd know better than I would. But, yeah, we had a big time. And already been partied a little bit before we got there. And so, you know, I hadn't had to have some bigger balls.

And, you know, the show was right. By the way, Charlie Murphy says, up, stand up, stupid funny. I always thought he was where he was because his brother. No, he's a funny. Oh, yeah, absolutely. His step was dumb funny. And so we walked in the green room, and it's me and that dumb bitch that his survivor with. And so Charlie's got like six or eight of his buddies back there.

and they all got the really start white sneakers on. And I just sit down, I've never met any of these people before. I just, I got a question. Let's do with black guys and look bright white sneakers. I just, I need to know. I need to know. And I got an answer. I'm like, all right, appreciate that.

I check that one off. I understand now. Yeah. And then, see, but that you just hit it on the head. And that doesn't bother it. It's the media that has us pitted against each other. Yeah, for sure. That moment you have with Charlie Murphy and his crew,

That's what relieves the racial tension. I used to argue with, you know, with fucking Keith Robinson, very funny black friend of mine comedian. Chappelle would be sitting at the table. Any black dude that came in, and, of course, Patrice O'Neill, a close friend of mine,

one of the funniest fucks ever. And me and him hit it off the minute we met it because I was brutally honest, and he was brutally honest with me. And that's what lowers the temperature in this country racially. And the fucking media and the left, What they do is suppress the shit.

Don't let anybody say anything, especially if you're white, and it builds up tension. And, you know, right? And comedians, you know, probably, you know, obviously different, very different aspects as far as work environment. But, you know, there's not anywhere, I would say, to say, more you better watch your ass type place than a professional baseball clubhouse. I mean, you're with the same dudes, you know, all type A person. You're fucking one of us, big type A personality.

Yes. And somebody ridiculous shit. And you're in that clubhouse on the field, in a dugout, with these other dudes, 25, maybe 30 guys, including spring training, eight fucking months a year, eight or 10 hours a day. Wow. And, dude, if you don't have thick skin, just, just, I'll just go work at Cedarter or something. Because all we do, all the, every day is hang shit on each other.

And, I mean, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's one funny story. It was, it was me and a guy named Anthony Briggs, West Helms got Ron Wright all of a sudden playing the big leagues got Glenn Williams those five of us in A ball

and we were all all five of those thick as thieves we all stayed to get on the road sent to get on the buses after most games were going to dinner and all that kind of stuff but this was difficult

this is don't don't you know who was listed this oh my God we were a fucking you know Nazi that played fucking baseball and Anthony was was a

was still I was pretty sure, a black guy. He's a black guy in South Carolina. And actually, we just had a reunion of the 1997 Greenville Braves that won the Southern League, and Tony was there, and I still taught him Tony via Facebook probably once a week. But we played over several years. So middle of the season and they're announcing all-star selections.

And Tony had a pretty good first half. He won six or seven games, had an era about a four. And Ron was a stud. 40 bombs that year. West Hills hit like 35 bombs that year. So they, of course, made the All-Star team. And so our manager, actually, our manager was Brian Snicker.

Snit analysis during stretching one day, who made the All-Star team. And Tony wasn't on there. And so we come back in after BP, and we always do sit around playing cards, you know, and Ron spray some conversation with Tony. And listen, you get so, used to it like you know there's going to be a punchline

coming like you've got to stone his voice like oh what's he getting around to say and Ron starts a conversation with Tony he's like man I can't believe you it made the All-Star team man you know yeah they had a bit of it and Tony's like oh my thanks Ron I appreciate you saying that you know makes me feel pretty good

like yeah I mean you know you had like eight or nine wins you had a good you're all right let's strikeouts you know I mean I can't believe I can't about how you made the All-Star team so I appreciate you say that Ron he's like what I have a finger to me is you're just a dumb blank call him a gun. He's like,

only thought I figured he didn't, and he gets a dumb knit right to his face. I was like, holy shit, Ron. And Tony's like, oh, oh, man, man,

you got me, Ron, you got me. You have to go, man, you have me going. John. And we all just said there,

Tony included laugh his ass off. And we just kept playing cards. But that's, that's a professional baseball clubhouse. There is nothing off limits. Yeah, no,

because, and again, that's the way that's the way to racial harmony if we joke about our differences and look like I said I played college football I play baseball in high school I've been in plenty

of law and you're out for males 99% of years even the gay ones even if there's a gay guy in an NFL locker room he's sort of a fucking alpha male but yes it's moments like that then you put on the TV and go why do they keep

betraying that we hate each other And you know what? I learned this too. Like black guys, brown guy. They respect you, me, like Patrice. They don't want to be patronized. They fucking, they love when you talk about race openly and shit. And the media portrays it totally different because they're all fucking white lips.

Yeah. I view the media is like the little middleman instigator. They're trying to get two kids on the. playground that don't dislike each other to fight each other, they're in the middle. Oh, you know what he said about your mom, right? What do you say? Oh, you know, he said about your dad, right? And they say, you know, two folks that originally had no issues because a little middleman

fucking pit-sweet brat instigator, now a sudden we're fucking, you know, we're going out of each other. That's the media with liberals and conservatives. Just like, just poking the bear. Poking the bear. I know somebody fucking snaps. Yeah, that's a good analogy. Hey, John, that's all the time I got.

And I do it. It's been great to almost meet. Yeah, well, he's doing it, man. And eventually I'll get back to Atlanta doing comedy, and I would love to, you know, if you're a ride. Yeah, I'm down with Benhamel, Florida. Oh, that's right. You're in Florida.

Well, that's even better. That's even better because I play Florida more than even the Atlanta. Where do you come? I'm Panhandled. I'm like Stenrose Beach, Destin area. I measure you're probably more like Palm Beach, Miami, Lauderdale. Tampa, a lot of Tampa, but I've hit a lot of, I've hit St. Augustine. I've hit a Sarasota. I've hit West Palm. I've hit with a Red Soap, Fort Myers.

I'm all over the fucking place. I haven't been for a while because I've backed off on the road a lot, but I would love to, I'll let you know. Where are you out of now? What's that? Where are you out of now? I live in Savannah. Oh, really? Savannah, Georgia. I fucking love that town. It's a fantastic place. Yes. I'm a lot. And you grew up in Macon, didn't you? I did. I was born in Statesboro, though. Yeah, you were born in Statesboro.

What a great town. How did you get a Savannah? Me and my wife came down about 17 years ago on a long weekend. She loves Southern culture. She, you know, midnight in the, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah. You go to Lady and Sons, I'm assuming.

You'll go see, shit. Paula, go see Paul, go see Paul, Lady and Sons? Oh, yeah, yeah. Paula Dane. I think it's closed not, right? Did she sell it? I think she sold it, she sold it, right?

Dallas. Yeah, I think she sold. Yeah, but this town, John, you know, because you're Georgia... Oh, this is a great town. You're supposed to be awesome. That's another awesome town? I fucking, I've never felt more comfortable. I swear to God. And yeah, so we're not that far away from each other. So yeah.

Have you found a bench, have you found a bench where Forrest Gump was filmed? Everybody goes Savannah. I try to, like, figure out which bench she was sitting all when they were filling for a month. Found it. I slept on it for a month. My wife kicked me out of the house.

Yes. Let me tell you something, John. My square was exactly the same. My fucking wife, and I'm not kidding you, she could, she's read, and I'm not exaggerate, over 100 books about Savannah. She, we're on a buggy tour, take a tourist tour, you know, one of those horse. She was correcting the fucking young girl who was doing the tour. And the girl was like, you, she, the girl was,

I grew up here. How the fuck do you? She said, fuck, she goes to my, how the fuck do you know this shit? And I said, you wouldn't fucking believe

what she knows about the whole self. She could tell you, you know, the stones that the slaves put in down by the waterfront. It's insane. And I'm like, Jesus Christ.

Yeah, such a cool town. I love it. And I, I've been, things have been good since I got here. Doesn't have a comedy scene, but that's all right.

I go on the road and work shit out. So, all right, I've taken enough for your time. And, yes, let's stay in time. I would love to have you.

back on the show. Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. I'd like to meet you sometimes. So we appreciate it. Definitely. I get to Savannah. I once a year or so. That's my mail. I'll get a lunch or get a drink or something. Absolutely. That would be great. Thank you, John, very much. Thank you, that. All right. That is it for a Thursday, ladies and gentlemen. Don't forget Cameo.com. You want me to roast a friend or relative, go to camby.com. You guys think that I'll say it. We'll see you soon. Hi. Good night, everybody. Thank you.