The Nikki Glaser Podcast - #287 Worked This Tool So Hard

Episode Date: October 27, 2022

Nikki is looking forward to being in airplane mode and snoozing to the east coast. She and Andrew talk about how to handle fights with your partner and how Love Is Blind showed something that Nikki le...arned for her relationship. Nikki teases some topics she discussed on The Tiger Belly Podcast. You Heard It Here First; a laboring orgasm and a festival none of us are going to. For Wild Card Wednesday they play Esther Perel's Where Should We Begin? and talk hard lessons learned about love. In The Final Thought Andrew talks about the feeling of being in trouble and Nikki gives her two cents on the Anti-Hero video controversy. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:48 Hello there! Welcome to the show! It's the Nikki Glaser Podcast! I'm the problem, it's me! Um, I am in Los Angeles still. Um, Andrew is in St. Louis. Noah is in Arizona. Oh, great little morning here in Santa Monica it's beautiful outside walked to Starbucks this morning
Starting point is 00:01:10 everything's good, I'm packing I'm going to Atlanta for a taping, I get to sleep all day on the plane, that's awesome I love going on a plane all day, cross country I leave at 2 here I land at 9.45 there the day will be over um and in the plane no
Starting point is 00:01:27 one can get you there's no obligations there's no like urgent like you need to do this thing like the world just is on pause when you're in a plane even though you can get wi-fi you still it's the only place besides maybe if you go spelunking or on a hike up a like or if you're camping those are the only places plain spelunking in a cave or camping are the only times where you have an excuse that your phone is not if you're not on your hospital hospital could maybe no emergency surgery yeah if you're getting surgery coma um but hospitals have great wi-fi but you always what i'm saying is there's those are the only places where you have the benefit of like the wi-fi wasn't working because otherwise you can get on a network um yeah it's free you
Starting point is 00:02:18 can never escape it anymore is there are there a lot of homeless people in santa monica is it bad is it as bad as people say like when you go for a walk santa monica is it bad is it as bad as people say like when you go for a walk santa monica isn't because it's rich people so it's like a couple of them there's walls and stuff yeah venice i hear is no offense to anyone living in venice i hear it's i mean we didn't we were about to get an airbnb there and i told chris i'm like i think the homeless situation is not good there and he was like i don't know about that and he texted his friend like you know my girlfriend's a little worried about the homeless situation in venice she's like oh yeah don't come here it's
Starting point is 00:02:53 bad they you know especially when they break up the camps which they do every so often like it's just and i feel so bad for these people they don't have anywhere to go they don't want to be fucking homeless they don't want to be on drugs they don't want to be fucking homeless. They don't want to be on drugs. They don't want to, like, it's just, it sucks for everyone involved. And yeah, I was wanting to originally live in West Hollywood and I just was like, I don't want to do that because I was thinking about bringing out Luigi
Starting point is 00:03:17 and I just didn't feel safe walking my dog. That's why I got all these weapons. I was just so scared of being attacked because you hear about it but um yeah that you know hollywood's not great it's not horrible but um yeah and the valley is nice i mean there's places that don't have that but man when i used to i used to live in silver lake and i moved out in 2018 and i drive over there now and like everywhere near my old apartment which was in a nice area like all the underpasses homeless encampments and like just tons of tents on the side of the road everyone looks like they're camping out for
Starting point is 00:03:58 harry styles concert or like a sale at best it looks like black friday on every um they're tailgating it's it's so sad but i can make fun of it yeah i guess they don't have to well they get to be off the grid even in yeah there's another one added to it added to the list spelunking airplane homeless now that's not even true they all have uh they all have phones And that is such a shitty thing to be like I'm not giving him a buck he is a phone A phone is almost like shelter And water now Just because someone has a phone doesn't mean
Starting point is 00:04:33 That they have enough money to get clean clothes To go get a job and you know all these things So don't be one of those people that says I'm not giving he is a phone Don't be stupid come on These people do have phones They're not like paying $120 a month They don't be stupid come on they're not on like a verizon they're not like paying 120 a month they don't have good wi-fi they probably connect to wi-fi outside of starbucks
Starting point is 00:04:52 yeah like don't act like they're like how can they you know sometimes you'll see people are like well they're shaved they have a shaved face yeah people love to give any excuse for why they don't need money yeah even my mom will be like that guy's not really homeless like some people do stand out with signs and say i'm homeless and they aren't and then my mom was like i know that motherfucker that guy goes home i know where he lives i there was an article about him and i go but isn't this humiliating like isn't this a job in and of itself i don't i wouldn't do this would you stand Isn't this a job in and of itself? I wouldn't do this.
Starting point is 00:05:29 Would you stand on the sidewalk in traffic and go up to windows and have a sign? Not that I'm saying that's like we should all give to him, but it's not not work. That to me is more work than anything I would do or like sitting on the sidewalk with a sign and begging. That's embarrassing. It's shameful to these people. They get spit on. That's embarrassing. It's shameful to these people. They get spit on.
Starting point is 00:05:46 They get told the, they're people are mean to homeless people. So before you judge someone of like, they're just looking for handouts. Do you think they want to be on the fucking sidewalk asking for help? And do you like, and I'm talking to all of your dads, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:58 like everyone's dad is just like this, that bum, like I feel like dads just don't have a lot of empathy for the homeless. Like they chose it or something. I know our listeners are smarter than that, but it's just, I think that there's a lot of like, just they chose that or they don't want to work. That guy in the morning, like instead of putting a suit on, he like has to throw some mud on and throw on a ripped shirt.
Starting point is 00:06:23 It's like he contours all over his face. I get it. I've done it. He doesn't rub the contour in. You ever see a girl put on contour. It's just like, she was like, look,
Starting point is 00:06:32 it's like she's putting on war paint. He just does that, but doesn't rub it in. Um, and he's off to work. Yeah. It's a fucking job. You're right.
Starting point is 00:06:39 You have to stand outside for a fucking 12 hours a day. She's using her kids. You know, the women that have kids, do those poor fuck, give that woman money. Even though day she's using her kids you know the women that have kids do those poor fuck give that woman money even though she might be using her kids like she has kids do you think those kids want to be there do you think they know the difference between their mom and someone other mom do you think they chose that mom do you think they want to be there like think about them i know that the mom is shitty maybe like i don't know people just have so much
Starting point is 00:07:02 and i'm the same way i can judge people so quickly about stuff and not consider like what really brought them to this moment the other day chris and i got into a uh i don't want to say fight an argument pretty heated and um it was so helpful and i know i've shared this before but i really i worked this tool so hard the other day. And by tool, I mean, Chris, I worked to know. I know I worked this tool. He would not like that joke. I'm just kidding, baby.
Starting point is 00:07:31 It was just a joke. I think he'd ate that more. Baby. Yeah. He might eat that more. Just kidding, baby. Just kidding.
Starting point is 00:07:40 You kidding. No, I thought you were referencing his penis. You're using it like a tool. Oh, I worked that tool. Oh, yeah. Well, did that too. Thanks, Noah. Part the balls with your nose. Old nosa over there.
Starting point is 00:07:58 If you were just joining the podcast, that's a deep ham drip from way back when Noah revealed to us that she likes to take her nose and gently push it up against the ball. So you got scrotum separating the two balls with her nose into, yeah, on the bottom. Like going up from the bottom and separating the sack at the seam with her nose and feeling each ball gently push on each nostril. It's like a sinus massage. It is.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Oh, my God. It looks exactly like a division sign. It looks exactly like a division sign. It looks exactly like a division sign. Oh, yeah. Like her nose is the line and the balls are the... Carry the ball. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Long division. Long ball division. Long ball division. But we did this thing. We were both so mad at each other about the misunderstanding about just, we were both at a stalemate of like so mad. And we've all been there before with our partners
Starting point is 00:08:53 of like, you're so frustrated. You know that you're not getting through. Your point is not, you've already made your point. They get your point and they don't care about your point. And you feel the same way about them. It's a beautiful thing in that moment. I was was like i knew that there was no getting out of it it like this was either going to like not break us up but like be a really really arduous long time fight and i just didn't have the energy for it and i also just i just didn't want to
Starting point is 00:09:19 you know it's just like this is a thing that we've gotten into before i was like i don't want to do this again so i just imagined i felt my anger at how fucking angry i was at being misunderstood and and and how i actually understood and not empathized with i felt so much anger that he wasn't apologizing right yeah and then i go oh my god he feels the exact same way about me right now there's no way he doesn't and then all of a sudden i was like nikki just switch like know that whatever you're feeling he's feeling it towards you he's feeling just as much frustration he's feeling just as backed up against the wall he's feeling just as much resistance and i was able to just go imagine you are in the wrong for just a second even though you know you're not because you're both we were both in the right in our own way i was just like just imagine how much
Starting point is 00:10:10 he hates you right now not hates me but like the anger that he feels towards me right now know that he has it and feel sad like feel like try to get him out of that you know like do what he what you want him to do for you right now do for him apologize just do even though if you don't think you're wrong like try to find it was just helpful to go because one time i remember my sister and i were fighting as kids and i used to hate my sister like the hatred i would have for her in some moments was so raw and hot and real. And if you have a sibling, you know what I'm talking about,
Starting point is 00:10:49 where you're just like, I hate you! Like, just hate. And I remember one time, I was like, Lauren, my sister was like, I hate you so much.
Starting point is 00:11:00 You don't even understand. I wish you were dead. I hate you. And I go, Lauren, it's so weird. I've told this before. I. Like, I wish you were dead. I hate you. And I go, Lauren, it's so weird. I, I've told this before. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:11:06 I hate you too. Like, I feel the exact same way. Like, I know exactly, like I get, you don't even have to communicate how much you want me to die. Like,
Starting point is 00:11:15 I literally want you to die. Like, I hate you so much. And it was like, it brought us together. Cause we both hated each other equally. And it almost was like, we have so much more in common than we think
Starting point is 00:11:25 but it always brings me back to that because i really sensed it in my sister i was like i just realized i was like oh she feels the same way yeah do you ever have that when you for sure i mean last night what when you say the apology though last night or the other day with chris did did you get an apology back or were you just okay with giving the apology? Like that's the hard thing for me. No, I got one back. I said, listen, I misspoke. Because I did, I figured out like what the issue was.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Like I could find some fault. I was like, my tone was not good. I was kind of looking to bring up a fight that I wanted to talk about something that wasn't this, but this was kind of like the spur of it for sure. Like I said something like, you're right. My tone wasn't good. I misspoke.
Starting point is 00:12:11 I repeated back to him what he needed me to understand. And I said, do you believe me? I was like, I know that's not what you meant. What you meant was this, even though it came off across this way to me, this is what you meant. Do you believe me? He's like, I don't know. You know? And I was like, this is what you meant do you believe me he's like i don't
Starting point is 00:12:25 know you know and i was like well do you can you see and after he kind of like he accepted my apology i said but can you see how your tone and the way you said the thing you said might lead me to get very defensive about this and he was like yes i can see that and so then it was we eventually when things cooled down we both got each we both apologized to each other for how we enacted so i did get that but i had to be the one to do it first and not because i'm the better person or something it just happened you know you can't both do it at the same time or we'd have to jinx buy me a coke that's true and that's neither of us drink soda well diet coke maybe but um yeah that that happens and we've talked about tone on here before like i have a lot of trouble with it especially if
Starting point is 00:13:13 someone's like let's say someone's having a bad day you know and then the tone is then it shifted towards you even though it has nothing to do with you it's so shitty what they're going through that it comes towards you and i i can't help but take it personally. And I don't know how. You can't help it. There's programs for that. And then I give tone back. I give tone back.
Starting point is 00:13:33 And I'm like, well, my tone is legitimate because I wasn't the first to have the tone. But you know what I've also realized, Andrew, and that you're talking about is like even this morning I was a little bit like upset about something and i'm not gonna see him until sunday and i'm packing to get ready and i'm just trying to like i'm just being not as cool like i'm just not being warm and i was like are you doing this because you want him to ask you what's wrong and the answer or do you are you doing this because you really don't want to be close to him right now and this is just a natural thing and i was like i'm doing it it's a little of both but it was mainly because i wanted him to kind of notice and ask me so i can tell him what's on my mind because i just don't want to bring it up and feel like a nag and all those things like i
Starting point is 00:14:19 want him to like dig for it so it was like i realized that i sometimes am not helping the situation like sometimes i feel like when this is where and i saw it on love is blind and this is what a trap i think relationships get into he so let's say um he's in a bad mood and he comes home and i can sense it in him he's hungry he's tired it's whatever he had a bad day at work i he i take it so personally because i'm an adult child of an alcoholic i take it personally and then instead of being nurturing to him which is what he needs sweet to him which is what he needs because he's had a rough day i take it personally and then i shut down and then i get then i get bitchy and one person is going to feel closer to you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:06 If you act bitchy, like that's only, he's, that's just giving him more of what he's dealt with in his day. More of what's going on in his head. I'm like adding to it. And I see this on love is blind. There's this couple,
Starting point is 00:15:16 if you're watching it, they are, um, uh, it's, um, Cole and, uh,
Starting point is 00:15:23 Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, I think her name is. And it's so interesting because they had sex. It's Cole and Janab. Janab, I think her name is. And it's so interesting because they had sex in the morning. Cole was trying to be quiet and not wake her up and got out of bed and was like trying to, you know, doing his like morning rituals.
Starting point is 00:15:37 But he was being quiet. And she didn't know that. I'm guessing she did not know that he knew that that she was awake. So she thought he was giving her the silent treatment after they had sex when all she wanted it so then what does she do instead of saying why are you giving me the silent treatment she starts fucking punishing him because she's like i'm not gonna be the first to get hurt i'm gonna hurt you before you hurt me and then he all of a sudden is like she is being so mean to me what's going on then he's mean back to her so it's a cycle it's like someone's to break it and just be nice to the other person.
Starting point is 00:16:06 And I thought, you know, I was a little bitchy this morning because I didn't get what I needed last night in terms of some kind of emotional connection. And the truth is he was tired. I came home late. He was like bleary eyed watching Game of Thrones. And I like walked in and turn on the lights. And I'm like, I want attention. And he didn't give it to me. And so this morning I'm like, I'm, I really regret how
Starting point is 00:16:29 I acted this morning because I was adding to what was probably, he probably, I went to therapy and she goes, one of you always needs to be the schmoopy. You know, like what she said, one of you needs to be the one that's like the baby and the other needs to be really gentle. And if that baby is in a bad mood, don't respond to it with a bad mood. Don't take it personally. But it is so hard not to. It's so hard not to
Starting point is 00:16:54 because we just want everyone to like us. That's why we're comedians. We want everyone to like us. And when they're in a bad mood, we think it's our responsibility when it really has nothing to do with us. People can be in a bad mood despite us, you know? I know, but then what is the answer to, okay, if it has nothing to do with us.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Well, we'll find out that answer right after this break. Besties, I don't know if you know, but I have a new tour that is happening right now. It's called the Good Girl Tour. It is sweeping the nation, starting out in Iowa this weekend. And then I'm in Reno. I'm in California. I have four different cities there. I am in Vermont.
Starting point is 00:17:31 I am in Providence, Rhode Island, Memphis, Tennessee, Waterloo, New York, Kersey, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, St. Louis, Albany, Portland, Maine, New York, Hampton, New Hampshire. And then I hit Europe. So those are all the cities I'm going to be reminding you. If you know anyone in those cities, let them know.
Starting point is 00:17:48 They have a fun night of comedy awaiting them just down the street. You can go to NikkiLaser.com for tickets. I would love to see you there. As always, there are meet and greets available. If you go alone, I will grant you a free meet and greet. You just have to write me going alone in all caps, your name, and the city in which you're going to see me. Nothing else. You don't even need to write thank you. If write anything else it will actually make it so i don't
Starting point is 00:18:08 see the message but you must start the message with going alone and don't follow it up with anything because otherwise i won't see it it's very weird how it works so thank you so much and i hope i get to meet you and if you don't go alone meet and greet tickets are available at the merch booth and i've got some sick merch this time around too i can't wait to see you i can't wait to perform for you i can't wait to meet you come I can't wait to perform for you. I can't wait to meet you. Come on out. Iowa this weekend and California next weekend. Jon Stewart is back in the host chair at The Daily Show, which means he's also back in our ears on The Daily Show Ears Edition podcast.
Starting point is 00:18:37 The Daily Show podcast has everything you need to stay on top of today's news and pop culture you get hilarious satirical takes on entertainment politics sports and more from john and the team of correspondents and contributors the podcast also has content you can't get anywhere else like extended interviews and a roundup of the weekly headlines listen to the daily show ears edition on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. So, what was your question, Andrew? What is the answer to what? We should end every segment with me going,
Starting point is 00:19:16 but what is the meaning of what? And find out after this. And why did my dad have an affair? But what is the answer? You said, what is the answer? No, like But what is the answer? You said what is the answer. No, no, what is the answer to go, okay. Be kind. Meet their mood with like a hug of like, hey, what have you been?
Starting point is 00:19:35 Are you okay? Do you want to talk? Be loving. Be gentle. Treat them like Shmoopy. They're a baby. And then sometimes you get to be a baby and they treat you like one. You know, like it gets
Starting point is 00:19:45 to go back and forth it's really hard i'll try to breathe in the moment and just take a step back and be a schmoop well it just it doesn't come naturally that's the thing i think we all want like well that's not how i'm feeling so i'm not gonna do it it's like well sometimes you've got to be the better person and and just do a harder thing to see if it gives you different results. If it doesn't, if there's still a piece of shit, then yeah, go in your bad mood,
Starting point is 00:20:11 but like try maybe gentleness. Do you ever feel like you're like, well, I'm tired in a bad mood too. Like I deserve to be angry. That's what my therapist said. She was like, it sounds like this fight that we were rehashing in therapy.
Starting point is 00:20:24 She goes, it sounds like this originated from you both being tired not feeling like you got enough love for the past few weeks hadn't seen each other and you both felt i was you know the fight we were reliving was i was right after surgery for me and he had just come off this bike trip where he's giving all and then he was helping me through surgery we get into a little tiff and i'm like i can't give him love because i can't even talk and i've just been through surgery and i'm tired he's tired because he's just like gotten me through surgery so we were both just not yeah there for each other and that's where i said next time that happens we space we we create space because it's not neither one of us are strong or, you know, awake enough to be the bigger person and take that,
Starting point is 00:21:08 do the harder step, which is to be nice to the other person and see what happens. Um, I like that. Man, it's hard. I think that's really helpful for people. Cause I think so many people deal with this.
Starting point is 00:21:20 And space, it's hard to create space in a relationship. Especially if you live together. I mean, right. And you get to Nikki because for your career, It's hard to create space in a relationship. Especially if you live together. Right. And you get to, Nikki, because for your career, you get to leave for a little bit and come back. And I think that's so helpful
Starting point is 00:21:32 or could be so helpful in a relationship for people who don't have that as part of their job. It is. It's a great part of my job is that I get to leave and we get to miss each other. But I do think that there is a way to get it because I told Chris, I've told Chris, like, when we get to leave and we get to miss each other. But I do think that there is a way to get it because I told Chris, I've told Chris like when we get to those places again
Starting point is 00:21:49 where I can't be nice to you and you can't be nice to me and we're at a stalemate, I will leave. And I don't want you to take that like I'm abandoning you that I won't come back. Like I said this in a neutral tone, like when we were both like talking about a fight
Starting point is 00:22:03 and we were both totally neutral, I was like, you need to know that were both totally neutral, I was like, you need to know that if that happens again, I'm going to leave because it's not going to get better. I'm going to resent you. So like, it's going to build. And he sometimes takes me leaving.
Starting point is 00:22:16 And I know I've taken his leaving before and getting space as abandonment. He's breaking up with me. He's going off to start like finding a new apartment. He's going off to call a friend and figure out how to break up with me. Like I take it as you're leaving me. It's abandonment. Catastrophe. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:32 But I think that there's a way to just go like, I still love you. I always need that reassurance whenever we're fighting. I'm like, please just put a hand on my leg. Please put a hand on my, hold my hand when you are, you know, expressing how frustrated you are with me just give me something that says i'm not going anywhere but i'm mad at you and i think that's what marriage gives people in a lot of ways is like we but i mean you could always get divorced but it gives you that reassurance of like i can't leave like if i do it's gonna take a hell of a lot more but
Starting point is 00:23:02 when your boyfriend and girlfriend like all holding a hand saying i'm gonna step out i will be back you can reach me on the phone but i just need some time alone this is you know but that's hard to do because people are so scared of abandonment and they really get triggered when you leave them especially i find i find like many like little mini space breaks even in your own apartment can be so refreshing so like oh yeah something as simple as like i'll go watch baseball or football in the in the living room for like four hours yeah and we don't have to be on the same couch we don't have to be next to each other but i still love you you're 20 feet away but that 20 feet can literally like that four hours can really like refresh everything and you start and i find it very helpful and it sounds like
Starting point is 00:23:45 it's nothing but it really is like the you know that's a reason why guys build man caves and women you know fucking whatever you guys do yeah we need a little break from each other you need up you need breaks even if you live together and it's not because you love them less it's like oh i love you so much that with this you know it's like uh restarting a computer like every you know a ton i go on little breaks i he'll go in the bedroom and watch his phone or whatever and i'll stay out here and play guitar like we we take breaks for sure but it's hard because sometimes i feel i'll say for speak for myself i feel abandoned when he when he doesn't want to be close to me when we have the time to be close to each other there's like you would rather be
Starting point is 00:24:30 on your phone or watching football or whatever or um but whenever I express that to him he usually makes time for me like there are so many times where we have been hanging out and we're watching love is blind or something. And I'll go, what's going on with rooms today? I call, I call, I call, um, formula one racing vroom brooms just because I'm like,
Starting point is 00:24:51 are you watching your vroom rooms? And, um, it's just to like infantilize it. And, uh, I'll go, what's going on with rooms lately?
Starting point is 00:25:00 And he's like, oh, there's a race right now. But, and I'm like, why aren't you watching it? This is so, that's like if Taylor Swift, like right now but and i'm like why aren't you watching it this is so that's like if taylor swift like dropped a live uh like a new album and i was sitting there he will like you know put aside these really important things to make quality time with me
Starting point is 00:25:15 and i really appreciate that but um i'm totally into him having his own things that he really cares about that he can go do like last last night I was at the comedy store. I was at the improv. I did a podcast. I did a tiger, but I can tell you what podcast it was cause it went great. And, um,
Starting point is 00:25:32 but tiger belly, which will be out, I guess this week, um, you can find it on YouTube. It's wildly popular. You'll see, um, if you haven't,
Starting point is 00:25:39 it's a fun podcast with Bobby Lee and his and Kalilah. Um, I don't know. His ex girlfriend, right? Ex girlfriend. And we got into some last name. His ex-girlfriend, right? Ex-girlfriend. And we got into some couples counseling. That had to have been.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Yeah, I'm sure. I can see it. It was funny because I was like asking them about like what really went wrong because I didn't know what they've covered on the show or not. You know, this is a couple that's been together for like a really long time. I think he said like eight years or something. And they broke up recently. They lived together for a while.
Starting point is 00:26:05 They were sleeping in the same bed for a while. They still do this podcast. They share a lot together and they're still best friends. And so I didn't know what they had covered on the podcast because I wasn't caught up, but I started like asking him about it and he's getting into like some good stuff. And he's like,
Starting point is 00:26:19 I mean, hold on. People don't want to hear this. And I go, you are so wrong. Like this, your listeners are dying for these details like i know i am like this is some interesting you know they went to therapy i was asking about like what they discovered in there essentially um bobby is a
Starting point is 00:26:37 comedian that's what we discovered that's the issue yeah he's someone that you know and very much like me needs constant validation and when you're in a relationship that's really hard because we want new validation from new people and we want we are addicted to being liked and being like what's the next thing i want someone else to be into me it's not even like we really want to fuck other people or date other people we just want we can't you know when you're in a relationship you don't get validation constantly of how great you are and so and we start to crave that if you know and you know i did bobby's like i went to i was in new york last week i did like eight sets in three days and i was like i did 18 last week i
Starting point is 00:27:22 did 18 to 22 i can't i kind of lost track and he's like you get it i'm like yes like and i was like i did 18 last week i did 18 to 22 i can't i kind of lost track and he's like you get it i'm like yes like and he was trying to tell me that as as a comedian he's not a comedian because he was i was like it's because you didn't you weren't loved in the way that you could have been as a child and for you you seek it out like we seek it out on stage every night like getting these strangers to like us and you know immediate validation all the things we know and he's like no no that's not it for me i just like it because i like i just i like performing i felt i didn't feel seen as a child i'm like yes yes that you do like performing but you didn't feel seen as a child you want to feel seen you want to feel liked and we talked about bombing and he's like
Starting point is 00:27:58 i just like oh kalilah had read read this text that bobby had sent after a rough set at the cellar sorry if you listen to the podcast you'll hear all this but it was something like Kalilah had read this text that Bobby had sent after a rough set at the cellar. Sorry. If you listen to the podcast, you'll hear all this, but it was something like, I just had a really bad set. And she goes, Oh no,
Starting point is 00:28:11 what happened with bad crowd? And he goes, they just didn't like me. And I go, see Bobby, they didn't like you. It wasn't like they didn't like my jokes. They didn't like you. It's about being liked.
Starting point is 00:28:19 And, um, essentially, but that was, that was kind of what we unearthed was like, and it was funny. Cause Kalilah is dating women too. And I was like, now that she's single, she's bisexual.
Starting point is 00:28:30 And so, or I don't know how she defines it, but she definitely dates women. And I was like, so we were talking about like, she kind of revealed other comedians have asked her out, like Bobby's friends have asked her out. And like even Bobby. Yes, yes. Okay, wow. wow i mean she's gorgeous and cool and not a comedian but gets it like it makes sense so bobby was like and i go would you ever go down that road she was like oh never never never and i go out of respect for bobby or because they're comedians she goes oh because they're
Starting point is 00:29:03 comedians she's like she's like i mean it works out that it seems respectful she didn't say that but that's kind of like what it implied she was like no i don't want to be dragged through that shit again like and i was trying to get to the root of it like what is this shit and she was like female comics are different i would but it was an interesting conversation. I, but anyway, so afterwards I went and did some sets and, and Ben Glebe met up with me and he's going through a thing right now. And we were both talking and I was like, God, I just want to sing. And he was like, let's, I was like, can we go do karaoke? Cause we'd done that before. And I was like, God, I just want to sing. And, um, he was like, let's, I was like, can we go do karaoke? Cause we'd done that before. And I was like, let's go get a karaoke room and
Starting point is 00:29:48 just sing like four songs. And then I got to go home. Cause I got an early morning and he's like, great. He was like, let's just go to karaoke at my house. And I'm like, okay. Cause he has this whole like comedy club in his house. And so we went to the cellar. I ran into Carlisle. We were like, we got Carlisle on board. She's like, after my set, I'll come over. And then I got late and I was like, can we just like sing in the car on the ride home but it was nice because I wrote Chris and I'm like can I go do karaoke tonight and he's sitting at home waiting for me to come home and he's like yeah sure do it live your life like have fun and it was just so nice to like be a be with someone who's not gonna like be resentful of that or
Starting point is 00:30:23 you know on my last night in town that I want to go sing, he was like, Nikki needs this. Like he knew. And he, and Ben was talking to me. He's like, he,
Starting point is 00:30:31 I guess saw me on Raya. I guess my profile is still active on Raya. And he was like, you got to take that down. What if Christie's did or finds out? And I'm like, he wouldn't think that I was on, like,
Starting point is 00:30:42 he wouldn't care because he would know that it's a glitch like I'm not with someone who's like suspicious about me like or just like thinking I'm going out there and doing things like it just felt safe to go like oh right like most people would go you're on Raya but like it's nice to be with someone who just trusts like oh yeah because my account i don't know he still has your profiles from kimmel from a month ago your picture has today's newspaper in it what's going on i'm like oh yeah it was a i went to this future exhibit um four years ago um i was looking on his his ipad and it it downloaded all his apps like from his phone, you know, when it just downloads
Starting point is 00:31:27 and it had Tinder on it. And I go, who is doing, you're doing Tinder on your iPad? Or not Tinder, but Hinge or whatever. And he's like, no, it just downloaded from the thing. And I go, someone downloaded Hinge on their big old iPad. And he was like, no, and I was like, I trust you. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:31:42 I love, it's hilarious to me that your profile is still out there. I don't care. I love, it's hilarious to me that your profile is still out there. I don't care. But yeah, it was nice. What did you do last night? Did you end up singing? Did you end up singing or no? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:55 On the car ride home. It was funny. We took the car ride home and I go, Ben, what do you need to sing? Because he's going through a little bit of a thing. And he was like, and he had this like breakup mix on spotify and i was listing songs he's like i don't know that one so we listened to post malone's you probably think that you are better now better now and then we also listened to um if you like the way you look so much and i was about to get to my first choice of a song which was going to
Starting point is 00:32:26 be kelly clarkson's breakaway um because i'm obsessed with this version of her doing it with sam smith that was on her show a few weeks ago and um and ben was like can i just actually read to you this email that i sent her like really quick and i was like okay so i'm just i i was like oh my god this is such a scene in a movie where this girl is like a bad friend, just wants to sing her song. You're like humming it under. And like keep starting it as like, I'll spread my wings and up.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Wait, sorry, what? Okay, yeah, I do think, I don't think it's bad that you sent that. Okay, good. How many pages is this email? Yeah, he, oh my God, Ben is so funny. And then he's like, he's been so sad. He's been writing poetry and he
Starting point is 00:33:05 was like i want you to read my poetry so he hands me a song dude he wrote like i'm not ben if you're listening which i'm sure you probably are you he wrote like i'm not even kidding you like 11 pages of poems and i i'm sorry i read like a couple and i hand it back to him and he goes, no, keep going. Like read them all. And I'm like, this is so, they weren't good. But then I literally read for like seven minutes. Do you remember any of the rhymes? Any of the couplets? There was no rhymes, but it was all like, it was, they were really good stuff.
Starting point is 00:33:40 I feel like I want to sing Leigh-Anne rhymes. Stop. Can we stop this? Please. I was, but it was just so funny i was like he's such a comedian he's such a little boy like my guy friends i just see them as little boys sometimes where i just go it's so cute like it almost looked like he was because i tried to hand it back to him like two different times and he goes you're almost done you have three more to go it back to him like two different times. And he goes, you're almost done. You have three more to go. Jon Stewart is back in the host chair at The Daily Show, which means he's also back in our ears on The Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. The Daily Show podcast has everything you need to stay on top of today's news and pop culture.
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Starting point is 00:34:38 or wherever you get your podcasts. For me, if I was making someone read my poems, right. And they handed it back to me, I would, I would grab it, but I don't even like to make people look at a picture of like a trip I
Starting point is 00:34:53 took. I'm like instantly like, Oh, you don't want to be bothered by that. And Ben is like, wait, there's like two more. And I'm like,
Starting point is 00:34:59 I've already spent 10 minutes reading your poems. I've, this is the most poetry I've read in my entire life. By the way, I've never read this much poetry. Uh,'re no shell silverstein yeah do you have any notes like what do you feel like what are you like how do you feel about the third like verse like and you're like dude i just want to sing i was just like clarkson i loved it i love him so much and i know he's going through it and it was it made me love him that he is the kind of guy that will ask you to finish reading his poems when you've clearly lost interest.
Starting point is 00:35:30 And it's like a little kid who's like, mom, look at my drawing. And you go, oh, wow, the snowman looks like so happy. And there's the sun. I love it. And he goes, wait, what about this part? The flower. And you're like, oh, that's good too. And it's like, it just, it was little.
Starting point is 00:35:48 All my friends are little boys. Let's go to break and come back with a little bit of news and then a fun game that we'll play because it's Wild Wednesday. All right, we're back. Let's do some news. You heard it here first. You heard it here first. Yeah, you heard it here first.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Oh, you heard it here. It's Wednesday, folks. You know what that means? It is Wednesday. Apparently, we're having all the swells. Hope you are, too, out there. All right. Coming back down to Noah over there.
Starting point is 00:36:14 All right. Over there. Yeah. All right. Thanks, Andrew. Actually, this story was submitted by Andrew. Oh, yeah. You should be reading it,
Starting point is 00:36:25 but I will. So we've been talking about why women want to have babies. And one woman says she had an orgasm during labor and she didn't want it to stop. A 36 year old woman said she entered the orgasmic state while giving birth to her daughter. And she credits prenatal yoga classes with the pleasurable pain-free process pain-free during birth i surrendered my body and i had a similar sensation to an orgasm it was really natural to
Starting point is 00:36:57 push and the contractions didn't feel as painful i had this fullness and i didn't want the feeling to stop um that's weird to be in the you know delivery room being like keep going keep going keep going right there right there right there right there and your your baby is like emerging your baby the first thing your baby hears is your mom coming yeah it's like put the baby back in then back out then back in oh put the baby foot in oh my god she said it was harder than a marathon and i've run many um yeah so prenatal yoga classes famously help women prepare for pain free labor um if you allow birthing hormones to work for you that a woman can come into a state of bliss or labor land the pain is then not so intense because the endorphins are flowing and there is no fear
Starting point is 00:37:43 it's said that the endorphins are 10 times stronger than morphine if you can get that working for you. Wow. It does help if you have a butt plug too, I heard, while giving birth. I think I would kind of like labor. I mean, cramps are hell if you have a butt plug in while you give birth, is what you're saying? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:04 I just love the idea of like, let's fucking do it right. I don't know. I guess I don't really understand what the pain is when you give birth. Is it the cramping contractions or is it the ripping?
Starting point is 00:38:19 I always thought it was like your pelvic floor is opening. So it's like your bones are shifting. Oh, God. And your vagina rips. Yeah, yeah. Episostomy, I think, is what they do when they cut your taint and just make it all one.
Starting point is 00:38:39 I mean, it's crazy. And I can't believe we do it. And I can't believe we've done it for millennia. And we'll continue to do it um yeah i how i bet it feels good i bet it feels like the most like release ever because that's what orgasm is for me at least is like it just feels like i'm finally surrendering to this thing like because i fought off orgasms my whole life i felt like like they were just felt like this is i don't know what's going to happen on the other side of this whatever this like boiling like
Starting point is 00:39:08 teapot is i don't i'd rather just turn down the heat than like see what happens when it starts whistling you know like i don't want it to boil over and you know that was always so scary to me and i think some i don't know why more people why i don't hear that more often that like having an orgasm is terrifying because you feel like you're going to shit yourself. You're going to say expletives. You're going to fart. You're going to like, I just was too scared of everything.
Starting point is 00:39:34 And I think that like what she's saying, yeah, you just have to like let go. And it's a really, and it would feel like the biggest, you know, I love taking, like I like anal because it feels like you're taking a really big shit which feels really good it's not like why i like it i think that shitting actually feels more like anal than anal feels like shitting if that makes sense
Starting point is 00:39:54 um does it make sense i don't know but uh yeah why don't men ever i never hear men saying they're scared to come like women i have heard they're like i don't need to, I never hear men saying they're scared to come. Like women I have heard, they're like, I don't need to come. It's like too much. It like is too sensitive. Like I have a friend now who's like, it's just feels like I'm being tickled like in a bad way. It's just too much sensitivity and they like don't want to come. Why don't men never fight it?
Starting point is 00:40:19 It's because guys masturbate and come thousands of times before they ever have sex. From the ages of 13 to 16. No, but I'm talking about even before that. Even when you masturbate. I feel like it... I also think... I think it's because it takes you guys less. It takes less sensitivity and less pressure and less... It takes less to make you guys come.
Starting point is 00:40:39 And it's not as intense when it happens. So you're not... There's no fear. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you guys are afraid to come too fast. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:40:50 But I think they're, but it's not, they're not scared of the feeling of coming. You know what I mean? I dated one guy who would not come, who refused to come. And he, it was really weird.
Starting point is 00:41:02 He was always like saving it. Like I'll do it another time. Like let's, we'll do it then time like let's we'll do it then when it's like we're gonna have this kind of sex like antidepressants and i found out later from talking to therapists and who knows that this is his story but like when he comes he feels like that woman now like has a piece of him and that he owes her something that it's like it's now like and and the truth is like you do like men don't
Starting point is 00:41:26 understand this when you like have sex with a woman she does feel like this closeness for you that you might not feel for her and there is going to be a kind of an expectation on the other side of that whether you want to want it or not a lot of times you feel though that it's closer if they have an orgasm like does that add to it maybe i think that in his mind that made it like that sex to him that is like actually like i'm gonna and it's like yeah you have the potential to get that person pregnant so it makes sense that that act would make you feel like i'm going to be locked into this woman forever and so he would just put it off because i think he knew the inevitable which was when he did eventually come and he did this to me multiple times in our course of our dating that he would
Starting point is 00:42:11 get he would change his mind about me as soon as he came he would go I this is moving too fast literally in bed holding each other after we'd have sex he would change his mind and it was something that you know I just was Oh, I'll never trust this again. Not that he gave me the chance to trust it again, but I was like, I, I can't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:30 It was, it was so weird, but it happened twice where the first time I didn't see it coming. And then the second time I was like, are you going to change after this? And he's like, I don't think so, but maybe.
Starting point is 00:42:39 And then we did it. And then right afterwards I was like, how are you feeling? And he was like, I just think we rushed this. And I'm like how are you feeling and he was like i just think we rushed this and i'm like are you fucking kidding me i just flew across the country and changed my life to make this happen like it was just so devastating uh but it when he comes he's like i hate you like it's such a yeah such a sad like it should be the most like happy joyous moment
Starting point is 00:43:07 and it's just nothing but sadness and despair oh god it's i mean there it makes sense i mean i talk about in my special it makes sense because it's time to move on to the next woman you already got this one pregnant it makes sense why you guys your brains shift that Noah, what's the next news story? Okay, the next news story. Do you guys remember? Man comes while wife is having baby. Do you remember who Billy McFarland is? The singer? No, it's the man behind the infamous Fyre Festival.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Oh, yes. Yes, of course, of course? Oh, yes. Of course. What's he up to? This week he teased a new project. He was on TikTok and he basically from what sources are saying planning another festival.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Hell yeah. Why would anyone go to that? Why would anyone trust him again? I would actually want to go to that one. I mean, maybe you go through hard times. I would love you to go be an influencer at that one. And you would be happy with that meal. I saw that meal. I remember seeing that bread and cheese.
Starting point is 00:44:18 And I was like, Andrew would probably think this is dynamite. I'd be like, oh, VIP over hereip over here yeah yeah i would not be upset with that yeah it'd be great yeah people are so so like thinking they're gonna die it's like you're not you're fine like that guy i knew he'd be up to more that guy is that's the kind of um go-getter attitude that i just don't have that i envy. He is operating from prison making a new festival. I was even walking past stores the other day on the street and I was saying to Chris,
Starting point is 00:44:51 God, opening a store, managing a store, opening a store, I could never do that. And he's like, I would love to do it. I'm like, you would. I could never. When people just love organizing things and
Starting point is 00:45:06 putting things together thank god for those people the world would not run without you but man that is inventory get out of here if i have to like refill a shelf that shelf would never that would be an empty shelf i don't even like girls named tory dude do you think uh the fire fest he'll probably try to do it in like i don't know new jersey like he's not gonna go he's not going ham again he's not gonna try to do an island yeah i mean like this is just ridiculous if anyone trusts him i just can't i can't even imagine anyone going to this thing that's enough news let's get to the game esther peral noah pick two cards set us up for some storytelling this is so funny because it goes right with what we've been talking about today really and you didn't see the cards
Starting point is 00:45:53 when i picked them no i did not uh david blaine yeah our eyes we have no idea i's gonna go wrong all right so the prompt card is close share something close to your heart and the other card is the hardest lesson i've learned about love the the hardest lesson i've learned about love okay the hardest lesson i've learned about love is that I mean that you have to say goodbye to everything. Like at some point you're not you're either going to die or they're going to die or you're going to break up or they're going to break up with you or that honeymoon period will end in your relationship or you will move out of that place that brings you a lot of good memories your dog will die like in a in a relationship there are so many small deaths and it's like it's like uh grieving all the time for just different things of like oh like even this place that i have with chris right now in santa monica it's like i'm already sad about moving out of here because we have so many memories here and I just think um I guess like that's the hardest lesson is like it's it's um yeah and the more you love someone the more you risk being sad when they're gone and like every time you add someone to your list of things that you love whether it's a pet or a person you're just signing up for pain
Starting point is 00:47:22 down the road you you're you no matter what people go i don't want to i don't want to date again because i i can't handle a breakup i don't want to go through the pain it's like even if it works out there's going to be pain because one of you is going to die you know like it's it's always going to be pain no matter if it's successful so i guess that's the hardest lesson what hardest lesson about love spoken from the heart that's that's the thing yeah sure that actually works your heart um i think the hardest lesson i've ever learned is that the more you give doesn't mean you're gonna get more in return and that's the hardest thing so like even if you show them so hard that you love them and you're fucking running in the rain for them or crying on their face whatever like the more you give doesn't
Starting point is 00:48:11 doesn't equal the return value you're gonna get and that's hard because you would think why not why wouldn't that work i'm giving everything and sometimes then that's hard that's a hard lesson to learn and i feel like everyone learns that once really hard like really bad yeah there's no that some people just yeah there's some people think that they get broken up with and there's like there's something i can do and it's like no whatever they're telling you is the reason they're breaking up with you it's that's not it it's a lot of other things and you're like i'll fix that thing and they go don't bother because there's an you know it's just usually not that it's too late no you don't want the person to like pull out a whole list of oh this is why i'm breaking up with you you know you're just like we don't vibe this way and like i could fix and then it's like if you pulled out
Starting point is 00:49:01 35 things you would kill the person. I mean, they would die. But you have to give a reason because people always want a reason when you're breaking up with them. And you go, well, I'll fix that. I can fix that. I'm sorry. And they go, you know, the saddest thing is when I've had friends who like get like they the guy will cheat on them because the guy just wants out and he wants a reason to get out. And so he gets caught cheating or he tells her and because he knows that's a deal breaker and the girl's like i'm willing to
Starting point is 00:49:29 forgive you and he's like oh come on hon no like i'm not gonna it's over like the guy still has to end it like that's a really and the girls do that to men too where it's like yeah it's just funny if that happens and you forgive them and he's like actually that's fourth on my list you're too forgiving and he's like okay well yeah i's fourth on my list. You're too forgiving. And he's like, okay, well, I can't. I mean, that is a problem. Like you're a pushover. People kind of don't like that.
Starting point is 00:49:52 But that happens a lot. Noah, what about you? I think it kind of goes in line with what you guys are saying. But the hardest thing that I've learned is that like you have to, and it's kind of cliche, you have to like let go of your loves. And whenever they come back to you, it's always going to be stronger. Like you have to let people exist on their own for them to be better for
Starting point is 00:50:17 their relationship, including myself. So that's, that's kind of the most, yeah, you have to let go. You can't control things as much as you wish you can. And you certainly can't control someone else.
Starting point is 00:50:27 And so many of my friends in my girls' chat, when we talk about our boyfriends or husbands or whatever, it's so much of like, I wish he would do this thing. I need to confront him about this. But instead, we always get to, I need to get to a place where he can figure it out on his own and think that it's his idea that i asked him to change you know like that's and that's usually giving a person the
Starting point is 00:50:50 space to go um just giving them space or give not trying to change them and actually and saying how you feel as opposed to like you never do this and being like it makes me sad that i don't get to you know that you don't take out the trash as much like it just bums me out and let them do what do something with your feelings as opposed to you need to take out the trash more like let them figure out oh if i took out the trash maybe she wouldn't be sad like that kind of thing in love though to like be able to have a life outside of the relationship because in my past i my relationship was everything. We would hang out all day, 24 hours, do everything together.
Starting point is 00:51:30 But now I see the advantage of live your own lives. Go on the Tiger Belly podcast and then go to karaoke and have your own fun. And then you come home and you have something to share with your partner. And not be in trouble when I get home. Not have it be. I mean, I was worried about that the first couple times I went out to dinner with friends here and Chris and I had kind of decided oh we'll go to dinner together every
Starting point is 00:51:52 night that we can and it was one of the first nights here and I got asked to go to dinner with some friends and I didn't feel comfortable inviting Chris because it wasn't my dinner to do that and I was so scared all the dinner that like i was gonna come home and he was gonna be kind of in a bad mood because even though he said it's fine like was he fine about it and i was so glad when i walked in and like the energy was just like no resentment so fine how was dinner i hope you had fun like oh what a fucking relief to have someone that allows you to do that final thought um it sucks when you have that feeling that you're gonna come back and be in trouble and and then you end up not in trouble and you're like no that is how life should be you shouldn't be in trouble like you should like but i have those same intrusive thoughts of like
Starting point is 00:52:38 i'm fucking up i'm not i gotta get home i gotta get home they're gonna be pissed they're gonna and nine out of ten times, they're never pissed. But every time I go, I'm going to be in trouble. This time's different. This time they actually didn't mean it. Because you're reading into the text message and you're like,
Starting point is 00:52:51 did they, is this, there's not an exclamation mark. So they're definitely mad about that. Like, what's the tone of this text? And you just think they're going to be mad at you. And like,
Starting point is 00:53:00 what, aren't people allowed to be mad at us too? Like, I want that. I want that ability. I want that superpower that some people have, where if someone's mad at us too like i want that i want that ability i want that superpower that some people have where if someone's mad at them they let they're just like okay be mad at me and they don't take it as like you're a bad person and i take chris as when he is mad at me i
Starting point is 00:53:16 think he i jumped to the conclusion he's disgusted with me he hates me he doesn't want to be around me he can't even believe he's ever been in a relationship with me because i'm like if you're mad at me one time and disappointed in me let's say he's disappointed i'm like he he'll never get over this that's where my mind goes where i'm like and he's like can you please just not go all to those places but i it's so hard for me not to where i just think anyone who's mad at me I'll never win them over again I'll I've lost it completely I'm okay with like I had a fan write to me the other day and say something that was a little bit like accusatory and like something I did that bummed them out something I said and usually that would make me spiral and I would hold on to it all day
Starting point is 00:54:03 but I was just like, that person's allowed to be mad at me. I don't know. Like I'm, it was something about, I said something about my feelings and they were like, you're not, they said I'm not relatable anymore.
Starting point is 00:54:14 Cause my, my feelings that day were not like my, I had like, you know, it's like a, what do they call it? champagne problems, like,
Starting point is 00:54:22 you know, complaining. And I go, listen, I wish my do you want me to lie and say that my feelings are something different than they are like these you know this this reminds me of the relatable but it's real the heat that taylor got for the like in the video she went on the scale yes yes again, so in her anti-hero video, I meant to address this yesterday.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Thank you, Noah, for reminding me. In the anti-hero video, there's this part of the song. It's all about self-loathing, that music video, and the song itself. There's a part where she's in the bathroom, and she gets on a scale,
Starting point is 00:54:59 and she looks down, and between her feet on the scale, it just says fat instead of a number. And then she looks back up at the mirror, and behind her is her evil self staring at her being like disappointed, like you're fat. And people are freaking out because she's obviously through that connotating fat with bad, you know, her, her evil self is disappointed in her for being fat. And Taylor is obviously not fat.
Starting point is 00:55:20 So there's a lot of things that play here. When I first saw that, I was like, yeah, Oh, not the best word to use. She could have written the word bad because there would be no indication that she's fat on the scale. When you equate, when you equate fat with bad, which, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:37 Taylor's not the first person to do that, by the way. So everyone that's getting mad at her about this, do you think Taylor started the, the, the global narrative aside from a couple little communities in africa where fat women are like the the you know that's the the uh ideal yeah the ideal body size yeah like do you think taylor's the only one that
Starting point is 00:56:01 equates fat with bad she is just highlighting something that society is already telling us. And I get it that she is putting that out there loudly and maybe not helping the fat positivity movement, which I absolutely feel like people should be allowed to be fat and not have it be something morally wrong with them or like anything shameful. Like I think fat shouldn't even be a bad word you're fat and that's fine like you're i i feel the same way about like any of these words that we think are some kind of moral judgment like if you're not fuckable people are like i'm not fuckable like oh my god like that's so mean it's like you're allowed to be things that doesn't mean you're a bad person that you know but i i take those words
Starting point is 00:56:45 too i struggle with the word fat i struggle with feeling and and associating that with like you're somehow less than i'm not the first person to say that people have come at me about it before nikki you're talking about how you feel fat and you're you're kind of implying that that's a bad thing are you kidding me look around us do you think society is, am I the first person to say that our society does not treat fat people the same way? And I know it's not helping the narrative of treating fat people better. But again, I think pretending like,
Starting point is 00:57:16 oh, everyone loves fat people now. Everyone's accepting of it is not the move. Not acting blind to the fact that, no, we're still getting inundated with diet culture and being thin. The Kardashians are now sucking all the fat that they put into their bodies out because thin is in again. So Taylor or me or whoever you're coming after about who are struggling with this feeling of being scared of being fat or being fat and feeling like that makes them less.
Starting point is 00:57:50 I'm sorry that if you're a fat person and you feel like, wow, you're connotating fat with bad. We can't help that. That's how we feel. That's what society has given us. And when you make art like Taylor is making, maybe she made a mistake. I knew it was going to be a misstep. I knew people are going to come after her, but she's just highlighting what society is telling her. She's not saying fat is bad she's saying that is what how her brain has been warped so in doing that she i bet you anything that's what she would say i'm not saying fat is bad i wish i wish that weren't the case but i feel like that's what society is telling me and that's what my inner demon on my shoulder is telling me does that make sense the distinction between those
Starting point is 00:58:25 two but i also see why fat people are very upset by that because if let's say taylor wrote um i don't know like like something i'm struggling like like saggy jowls and was less like oh that's the grossest thing ever like whenever my friends are insecure about something that I have, I take it so personally because I'm like, you're saying that this thing that I have is bad. And it's like, yes, because you think it's bad about yourself.
Starting point is 00:58:55 The only reason you're getting upset about feeling like it's bad because you hear from society that it's bad, Nikki. Like you already got that message. They're just highlighting it and you're putting all your anger at them when really the problem is talking about these things and saying how ridiculous is it
Starting point is 00:59:10 that we think that being fat is bad? What? Because someone eats more food than someone else. When someone might struggle with a food addiction, someone might not be able to exercise as much. Someone might have a thyroid condition. Why do we associate that with laziness, with they're bad, with they are unlovable? That is the issue. Why do we associate that with laziness with their bad with they are unlovable that is
Starting point is 00:59:26 the issue why do we associate it with don't deny that that's what we do as a society when artists are asked to censor themselves and not say their true feelings even if their feelings spit in the face of everything you want to believe about yourself and of taylor swift doesn't want fat to equal bad but that's, but that's what it still does. It's an honest thought that she has in her head. It's an honest thought. We are not going to get past it. I don't think we'll move past towards
Starting point is 00:59:53 a non-fat phobic society. I don't think we'll get there unless we call out the fact that it is still rampant and that it is not solved because of Dove body commercials. Lizzo didn't solve it. Adele didn't dove body commercials lizzo didn't solve it adele didn't solve it uh you know ashley graham didn't solve it there's we need so much more than that and i think just acting like everything's fine now and fat is beautiful and everyone thinks so
Starting point is 01:00:16 i think so the america thinks so like it's okay if you still struggle with connecting those two your whole life you've been inundated with fat equals wrong and it's we all know that not to be true deep in our core but acting like everything's fine now it's not the way to address things it's just not and i think that that's what cancel culture is it's like just you know don't talk about rape you can't make jokes about rape you can't talk about rape you can't do it like just pretend it doesn't happen it'll go away because any mention of it is making someone who's been raped the butt of the joke is it's like no it's not i'm commenting on something that is currently plaguing our nation and plaguing my thoughts and i don't think i don't like rape but i'm gonna talk about it and just because I haven't been raped doesn't give me you know
Starting point is 01:01:05 doesn't mean I can't talk about it I think that people just people are so sad and people are feel so victimized and they should because it sucks out there and that they want they want everyone to shake everyone and just be like fat is okay I'm okay right Taylor Swift thinks I'm okay she does think you're okay what she doesn't think is okay is these thoughts that tell her that fat is not okay. That's what she doesn't think is okay. And that is what she's calling out. Final answer. Okay.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Now I have to go. Well, stay tuned. We have one more episode tomorrow. Thank you for letting me have that little tirade. Um, I appreciate you all, uh,
Starting point is 01:01:41 meaning Noah and Andrew and all the listeners. And if you disagree with me and have something else to say on the matter, maybe I'm getting it wrong. Maybe there's a blind spot for me. Please let me know. I would love to hear it because I don't think I have it all figured out, even though the tone of my voice definitely suggested I did. All right, guys.
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