The Nikki Glaser Podcast - #71 Green Jello w/ Zach Sherwin

Episode Date: July 22, 2021

Between you and Nikki, she and her dog Luigi can't deal with a third party messing up their off leash energy. While Andrew left to a baseball game his girlfriend could have seen and heard too much in the apartment. Nikki welcomes her ex Zach Sherwin to the show and they have a lot of come to Jesus moments for the first time after a decade of not speaking with each other, including the song he wrote that broke them up. In the Final Thought, Nikki reminds people to throw some appreciation to vets...veterinarians that is, for the thankless job they do. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Happy Wednesday to you all out there. It's the Nikki Glaser Podcast. Thank you for listening. So excited about today's show. Special guest today, Andrew Collin. Well, he'll be here. He's always here. But also, if you've been listening to the show for a few weeks at least,

you heard me talk about reconnecting with an old ex who I pulled the old out of my phone, out of my life stint with. If someone crosses me, an ex-lover crosses me and does something to hurt me, I used to do out of my phone, out of my life. Double O-L. Wait, double O-P, double O-L. Oople. Sometimes that's necessary to do. it was for me at the time we uh we reconnected though and he's coming back on the he's coming

on the show for our first time uh talking i mean we sent voice memos but that doesn't equal like talking you know our first time talking in um since 2000 it was the weekend after i quit drinking so uh i'm coming up on 10 years in december so almost 10 years of not speaking to this person that i had a relationship with zach sherwin is his name he is someone that i was initially attracted to because he was a tall uh jewish looking man at a party. I just saw him at a party. I was like, that guy's hot. And I just like, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's racist to say

that I like the way Jewish men look, but I do. It has nothing to do with just, I like dark features. I like a bespeckled Jewish fro, tall, uh strong chin he was a handsome man across the room people told me he was a um rapper i was like dazzled by that i watched his stuff i was so impressed by his rapping that i was just like good good good good and it's so funny i was just listening to john mayer's song new light which is one of my favorite songs um you know it's from I think it's on his new album Sob Rock but it's been that song's been around since like maybe 2018 and uh Anya who does our theme song My Best Friend she did a cover of it or she does

one in concert that's so good we were obsessed with that song but that song is about being in the friend zone and I was in the friend zone with him for a while and um and we'll talk about that we'll talk about all of that I'm excited to reconnect with him not nervous at all I was in the friend zone with him for a while and um and we'll talk about that we'll talk about all of that I'm excited to reconnect with him not nervous at all I was nervous last night and now I'm feeling like so excited so um that's coming up I just so my Starbucks around the corner I don't know if anyone knows this but if you're a Starbucks head like I am the nation um the nation Starbucks are running low on everything there is a a back order, much like car dealerships because of the pandemic or whatever it is. Right now, I realize there's not a lot of new cars. So pre-owned used cars are flying off the lot and they're going for way more because

there's not enough new supply. So I've been using, I've been buying used Starbucks from people who don't finish their drinks and it's been a great experience. No, I, every, if you order on the mobile app, it will tell you if they're out of the thing that you like. And every day I get a little red alert for the, for the Starbucks around the block for me, which I have a morning ritual. I put in my AirPods. I listen to my ex-boyfriend's morning radio show, The Arch, which is my favorite morning radio show to listen to. I just love it.

That's what I wanted this show to be, was not The Arch, but something you rely on every morning as you walk your dog, get your coffee, whatever it is, jerk off. And so I popped them in. And I'm like, oh, my God god they're out of everything at the Starbucks and I feel bad for them because they're probably like just dealing with a lot of customers they're like I don't understand why you're out and it's like it's not their fault but I did find a Starbucks um about a mile uh or two away that has everything and I've been driving there every morning getting two of them because I usually have two Starbucks a day anyway today I was walking back I took Luigi with me he morning getting two of them because I usually have two Starbucks a day. Anyway, today I was walking back. I took Luigi with me.

He's getting used to our new little routine of getting in the car. He goes to pee, but he takes too long to poop, which I know he needs to do. So I go, listen, I got to go get my Starbucks. Work on this poop on the way there. So then we get to Starbucks.

He gets out, he pees again, not ready to poop in a new location. Come back. I'm carrying, I slammed that Starbucks on the way home, the first one. The second one I'm saving for later. So I'm carrying it in. And you know, I got an off leash dog, you guys.

You guys know, right? He just trusts me. He walks next to me like the dog in that Zac Efron movie where he, no one even saw this fucking movie, but it's the hottest thing. It's where Zac Efron turned from like you know high school musical into a fucking man the lucky one oh my god I saw the trailer for the lucky one and I was like I have been attracted to Zac Efron since high school musical and I always suppressed it because it felt wrong and then I was like oh I was right

I was right look at go watch the shower scene in the lucky one that's all you need to do that movie's good actually Taylor um Schilling from Orange is the New Black isn't it and she's great and I have a friend who's friends with her and I was like can you just ask her what it was like to kiss Zac Efron I'm kind of over him but he was my celeb crush for a while um anyway how did I get onto the lucky one oh yeah my dog just follows me like the dog in that film because he has a dog that like stops when he stops walks when he walks and it's amazing and it's just it's because I walk like Cleopatra with my dog the second Luigi senses that I'm scared because sometimes there's homeless people around here and I have him off leash the second there's like a weird person coming and Luigi will only see me out of my peripheral like he'll you know I let him

do his own thing sometimes he wants to walk right next to me if I want that if there's a lot of people around and I want to make them feel at ease that I have an off-leash dog I like I'm like come here and he walks next to me but some most of the time I let him just do his thing and he keeps me in his vision but if they're come at if I he reads my body language it's wild no it's so cute I told Andrew about it yesterday because Andrew walked with us both off leash. I let Andrew be off leash. And it's a little trickier with Andrew.

I gotta check in on him because he likes to run out on the road because he sees a sale at Lululemon or a Celsius can in the street. And he likes to run out and go, I want that, I want that, I want that. But Andrew was like changing the dynamic that Luigi was picking up on because Andrew was very

worried about him being off leash and Luigi because Andrew sensed his scaredness was being a little skittish and like just not doing it was not good for awfully so I was like Andrew will you just I'm sorry just will you stop doing that and just like trust him because if you trust him he doesn't misbehave but the second you go he to misbehave. He doesn't know how to read it. And I go, it's really funny because I go, when there's like a homeless person or someone I'm a little bit scared of in the shadows, Luigi senses my tension and will come to me immediately and be a good dog and not like put me in a place where I have to like walk over to him and be around this homeless person a little bit more. It's so sweet. You're such a good boy. And it's funny because last night I was with my ex-boyfriend and we're friends again and hanging out and he

was around when I got Luigi and lived with Luigi. So Luigi like knows him as an owner. And even he was a little bit skittish like about worrying about Luigi being off leash just because that's a natural thing and I haven't really told him about my whole my whole thing of like I read a third of Cesar Millan's book when I first got Luigi and I always remembered that if you walk like Cleopatra your dog will treat you like Cleopatra like if you walk like you're a princess and I really do I walk with my both my hands behind my back like I'm Khaleesi Andrew said I was walking like Khaleesi and I go that's funny because I will I try to harness Cleopatra even though I don't know anything I just try to harness Liz Taylor in scenes that I've seen

so last night though uh or yesterday my ex-boyfriend and I were just like walking I should just call him my friend now my friend Chris and I were walking and um Luigi ran out in traffic almost and it was so terrifying there was a car coming and it like and I don't want it I'm blaming no one but it was because Chris wasn't chill about him being off late. Like he was being a good dog dad and being like concerned. And Luigi just got kind of scared and like ran in the street. And it's just so interesting that our energy and I would have never blamed him if Luigi died. I would have never been like, it's because like I would have said it's because of that.

But it's not because you wanted that. It was just because I didn't. It was my fault. I didn't explain my theory of walking him. And when I walk with other people, I'm just going to have to now be on leash because Luigi starts to pick up on their energy. And it's, and it really is hard to get to a place

with your animal where you trust them. I'm just going to share this one story for dog owners because it changed my life or just like pet owners or children owners. Do we call them owners? A parents, I think they're called. or just like pet owners or children owners. Do we call them owners? Parents, I think they're called. This was invaluable to me in getting both my dogs,

Luigi and Marion, prior to getting my two dogs, Marion and Ellis with my parents, but prior to these two dogs, I had grown up with dogs that run away, always. You can't have them off leash. The second they get off leash, they run away and they don't come back and you beg for them to come back they ignore you it causes so much anger you guys know the type of dog I'm talking about you probably grew up with them and um it's like there was some

comedy bit about like some guy was like you don't think your dog you think your dog loves you open the door and it's like oh yeah yeah, your dog is like, some people argue, some animal rights advocates argue that pet ownership is slavery because you're just like, I want this thing all around me. And it wants it clearly anytime it gets a chance, it wants to fucking run. And we keep it on a leash. Like there's a little, there's a little truth to that. But this is what changed for me. I was traveling with both my dogs because I never had dogs that would behave. I just thought dogs don't do that. I thought that, you know, they had to go through intensive police training to be a dog that's off leash, but really what it's about. And I know there's exceptions because dogs have behavioral issues

that, you know, they come with before they get to you. And, uh, but really they read your energy. That's like, whatever your dog's doing it's it's being facilitated by you so this blew my mind and i think i've shared this with you noah but and listen up because i'm serious like this is the thing this changed everything with me and my dog i was traveling with luigi for the first time and i was so worried about it because we were you know the rules of the plane is if you I didn't want to say he was a service dog because he wasn't I'm gonna speed through this because we got Andrew in here so maybe slow it down I couldn't say he was a service dog because he wasn't I don't

like to lie so I paid the extra 150 dollars for him each way that means he has to stay in the bag the entire time I was worried because he's never been in a bag for a two and a half hour flight what's gonna happen I'm so worried I gave him Benadryl I gave him like a like a set like kind of a some kind of like dog sleepy thing I like read all these books about how to do it the whole flight I'm like checking in on him he is like looks scared he's trying to dig out of the bag I'm like oh it's so stressful I get to the airport I'm at baggage claim and I'm just like he's out of the bag at that point I'm just like oh my god we made it but that was so hard. And this gay couple, these two gay guys walk up to me and they go, Oh, your dog's so cute. I go, thank you. I was like,

I just, it's been a rough day. It's his first day traveling. And it was rough. And they go, we have a little dog too we travel with. Can we give you a tip? And I was like, yes, anything, please. I think I asked him, I go, do you have any tips? And they go, you're in charge. Do not worry about what they're gonna do because that makes them do that. You have confidence in your dog, believe in your dog because they want you to believe in them and trust them. Trust that your dog, when you put him in the bag,

that's where he belongs, you know that. Let him know that you're okay with that. Now this goes back to standup comedy. you guys you're a comedian comedy fans when you're in the audience all you want I discovered this late in the game all an audience wants is to for that person on stage to not be nervous To be confident to know what they're doing. I'm in good hands That's all your dog wants is someone who is in the driver's seat who knows exactly when they ask for something from them They know it's for the best and that's the final answer so when you go when you put your dog in a bag and you kept checking him and go is he okay and then you go oh did you get him like

worrying it's it causes stress for the dog because he can pick up on your stress so i swear to god the next flight i got on with this dog i put him in the bag and i was like you belong there i put a little sheet over it he was still the entire time time. Yeah, I did sedate him with, no, I didn't sedate him at all. I've never had to sedate him because when my dogs go in the bag, when they go off leash, if I don't take them off leash or put them in a bag or put them in a situation, unless I'm sure. And I, I meditate on it a little bit. I like take a breath and I go, that's what I want. I'm in charge. And they pick up on that. And and it was honestly it was like the switch that I didn't know that I had I was able to possess so if you're having struggle with your dog really work on knowing what you asked for from

them and not being unsure and it's really hard to do and I'm not perfect at it at all but that really those two gay guys telling me that like when you put him in the bag he belongs in the bag there's no checking in on him to see if he's okay he's okay you wouldn't put him in the bag unless he's okay sweetie you know you're the you're the parent so no and i think that would probably work for kids too like you're sending you're going to your room and i'm not going to check on your that's where you belong and you're going to be safe there and that's where that's what's going to happen when you lock them in a cage and don't feed them for a couple days you tell them that um we gotta get andrew in here let's let's bring him john stewart is back at the daily show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight

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Okay. Hi, Andrew. Oh, I want to break through. I want to do something too. I want to know the real thing about you. So you can see me in a new light. We've been listening to the new John Mayer album, which has the old song

New Light on it, and we both love it. And we were just jamming to it. Hardcore. It's about being in the friend zone, and it's, yeah, I told you about that. It reminds me of my relationship

with Zach Sherwin, which we'll get to very, very soon. Andrew, how'd you sleep last night? I slept okay. You know, my girlfriend slept over she's not feeling well she hasn't felt well for five days she has a bad stomach issues oh and yeah i mean she was here last night and i didn't know i you had texted me when i was at dinner that brennan was going to be here and then you texted a bunch of stuff after that and then

i hadn't seen my phone and i looked down at it and i just read the last thing you texted not the brenna part yeah so um she heard some things maybe no i hope not no no we uh i was here with a uh a lover of sorts and um we were pretty loud and i because we thought we had the place to ourselves hilarious but um i'm really glad she didn't hear anything uh maybe she did no i don't think she feels better this morning we actually weren't that loud because i realized my screen door was of my i'd opened my um in my room it's been smoking pot in my room and i didn't want it to reek so i left the door open before and then uh when we came back we just started like hooking up and it was open the whole time so So I kind of kept it hush hush. So you were in your room.

You weren't on in the living room. No, no. Thank God. But I mean, we could have been. Yeah, easily. But Brenda didn't come. My partner left and then I went out and like was making food and watching TV and being loud.

I was probably like saying weird things. And she was there the whole time in your bedroom right off the living room. And I didn't know. And then you got home and you go, not a rapist. And you walked in and I saw her shoes. So I thought she went to the baseball game with you and just changed shoes here. Yeah, no, I wrote you saying she doesn't feel well. She also, her apartment, you know, she's moving. Yeah, so it's just a bed on the floor.

All she has is a bed on the floor. I'm so glad she was here then. Yeah, I thought you'd be cool with it, but then not hearing back from you, I'm like, does she have a problem with it? Like, that was going through my head. Andrew, never, never. I know. You know I'm a reasonable person. I don't know, I'm weird.

I mean, I'm not, though. You have a right to wonder. so you stayed the night here yeah last night and i was watching us like some show oh the naomi osaka yeah documentary on netflix that you had recommended and you were like oh brenda's here and you went and checked in on her in the bedroom then you came back out and then you were like i got i gotta um we're gonna go in there because i gotta she's like not feeling i'm like yeah i would never expect you to stay out here if your girlfriend's in there first of all you shouldn't have even gone to the baseball game you should have tended to your oh you know what i'm sure she was real happy about that mister for the last three days i've been very tending i went on i did

all her things to uh yesterday i did all her errands for her. I was there for her. Just because I wanted to get healthy so I could fuck her again. Yeah. I mean, when you have stomach issues. I mean, how much of it though is like, when you're like, I'm there for my partner. And it's like, can you speed it up so we can start having sex again? Like, can you get healthy?

Well. A little bit. A little bit in you. Yeah. Of course you want to have sex, but it's, but that is one of the most beautiful things about a relationship is that when you are sick, there's someone who cares about you enough to do those things and you don't feel bad asking them. It's just they want to do it because they love you

and they care about you. So I was grateful that she had that in you and that you got to be that for someone. What was interesting, yesterday she texted me. She's like, hey, can you help me carry some stuff i'm not feeling well and i didn't write it back right away i was doing my podcast and then i just wrote sure how about 4 p.m she read sure as like sure like whatever like she was like when i annoying me yeah yeah and i was like no that's not i was like sure right of course of course i sure of course i know tone and

text is is not great it really sucks and it really causes a lot of complications um but we worked it out and we ended up uh you know hanging out this morning a little bit oh you had some sexual actions this morning just uh we uh i tried out that uh vibrator hand thing that you gave me it's like uh i don't know. It's like, I can't even describe what it is. It's like a clamp for your cock and you could hold it

on there. It vibrates while you get a blow job. Oh, okay. So. A clamp for your cock? I don't even know what this is.

Maybe I'll get it at halftime. Yeah, and clean it off a little bit. It's not dirty. It's just on my dick skin. Oh my God.

We are supposed to get a really big batch of toys from love honey that i am so excited about i can't even like i've been checking my packages every day um love honey is one of our sponsors that i am so excited about because i went buck wild on their website like buck wild dude like i am going to be set up for success i'm very excited i'm still dating around i'm entertaining many uh gentlemen i'm having a great sexual partner that i'm not having vaginal sex with but like everything else i'm feeling like protected in terms of like not putting my heart on the line but also very like invested in this like feeling this person out and also like i'm talking to a guy on bumble that i

met on bumble that the one i showed you the other day we've just exchanged um we were talking about life stages like we were like oh oh i talked about my trip that i'm going on noah's going on it yes uh we're going to mexico on saturday and i told him um i'm bringing friends i'm doing a friend's trip i'm like sponsoring a friend's trip and i'm bringing all my friends from all walks all stages of my life and he was like that's so cool what are the stages of your life and I was like oh that's interesting and I said you know one one to eight age zero to 18 childhood Cincinnati and St. Louis 18 to 27 was being finding my way in comedy and also college and then 27 to 34 was establishing myself in comedy getting sober first real relationship then 34 to now is like being uh

already proving myself to myself and like trying to be happy and being single and liking myself and it was interesting to break that down i recommend everyone yeah and then he sent me his today and they're just like really beautiful like the larva stage caterpillar like you yeah yeah but noah's going now you're a butterfly so i'm bringing my best friends kirsten and taylor from my childhood then i'm bringing um carlisle who's comedy um i'm bringing noah who is comedy, Radio New York. And then who else am I bringing? Fuck. Saralina?

Saralina, who is New York and from my ex-boyfriend. I met her. And then there's one more I thought. Shit, I'm so sorry to the girl that I am forgetting right now. Carlisle, Noah. Oh, and Robin from cayman islands robin made the cut yeah that's a new cut and someone's i was got offered to do a tv show that would take me out of uh that would make me leave mexico early and i and it's so funny because they're

like working it out like oh yeah she'll come back girl and i go no i'm not i literally and it's a great tv show and i go no i'm not doing that this is so important to me and like this means more to me than doing that show that i hope i can be on another time or if you haven't been on it yet no it's um i already forgot it because it's i put it out of my mind but it was a show that i really really wanted to do and was like so excited to get asked to do and i swear to god you guys i already forgot what it is john stewart is back at the daily show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with The Daily Show Ears Edition Podcast.

Dive into Jon's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports, and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondents and contributors. And with extended interviews and exclusive weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III, and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends, Mark and Craig Kilberger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives. Each week, we'll sit down with inspiring figures like David Oyelowo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, and Billy Porter. And they're plus one. They'll ride or die as they share stories never heard before about their remarkable journey. Listen to My Legacy starting January 20th on MLK Day on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Good people. What's up?

It's Questo. Questlove. And Team Supreme and I have been working hard to bring you some incredible episodes of Questlove Supreme with guests you definitely don't want to miss. Now, one of the things I love about this Questlove Supreme podcast is we got something for everybody, every type of musical ever. We enjoy speaking to the people who are the face of some movements, some people you've seen on stage or TV or magazine covers,

but we also love speaking to the folks who are making it happen behind the scenes. And they paved the way for those that followed. You know, keystones to the culture. This season, we've had some amazing one-on-one conversations. Like I'm Pete Bill chatting up with hitmaker Sam Holland. Sugar Steve chatting with the legend Nick Lowe. And I've had pleasures of doing one-on-one conversations with Willow,

Sonata Matreya, Kathleen Hanna, and The RZA. These are conversations you won't hear anywhere else, so make sure you go back and you check those episodes out, all right? Listen to Questlove Supreme

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I think it's gone I don't know, man, that's not healthy, dude That's not healthy That's not right You know what is right? Bringing my ex-boyfriend The person I haven't talked to in over 10 years. That is deep. This is about to get deep, too.

This is a hilarious, so talented rapper, comedian, artist, vegan, animal rights advocate. I'm going to keep saying things until he can get in the room. Tall, kind, intelligent, massively intelligent, gifted, spiritual, brave. I'm just listing adjectives about you, Zach Sherwin, before we could get you up. Please welcome to the show.

What are you doing, Andrew? Oh, yeah. Pin Zach right now. Pin him. We're pinning you, Zach. Oh, there you are. Hi. Welcome to the show.

Zach Sherwin, everyone. Hi, Zach. Hi, Nick. Hi, Andrew. What's up, man? How are you? I'm good. Dude, you know what?

The way you just said, hi, Nick, which, first of all, I haven't heard that in a really long time. I think you were the only past lover I had that called me Nick. And I really did like it. Do you mind if I call you lover? I think it's a fun word. That's why I'm laughing. It's great.

I know it's such a ridiculous word. Taylor Swift got me into it. But you, wait, what was I just gonna say? Oh, the way you go, hi, Nick. It reminded me of when Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt had to do a Zoom over COVID. they were like doing some kind of reunion and she goes hi hi pitt and he goes hey jett hey aniston no he goes hey aniston she goes hi pitt and then that was like it and it was like oh it was just such like a so it reminded me of that but i think we're

on better terms now although this is the first time we will be talking in not voice memo in almost 10 years totally there were the texts there were the voice messages yeah the memos but this is wild it is nikki this is like a historic reunion to me this is a big deal i know i don't want to i don't want to reiterate everything that we talked about that I already set up, like the whole thing that happened. But just to give a, just for catching people up, Zach and I dated from, God, I want to say, how long were we hanging out? I think it was like the back half of 2011. Five months?

Yeah. Yeah, about five months. We started out as friends. I met him at the um what was that festival the uh bridgetown in portland yeah right we met that no i saw you at a backyard party a little bit yeah yeah i saw you at that backyard party that's when i was first like eight clocked it gonna go after that one and then um can i just say i remember meeting you at that party and being like that person is interesting you know like you just meet people and you're like there is my path goes

towards that person oh thank you i felt the same because you thought she was jewish with the last yes exactly your mom would have been happy yes your mother is a rabbi how is your mother by the way she's good she's good good um uh my mothers are good they're both great uh my dad has transitioned so you you did the right thing by saying that um uh yeah so that party but then we went to so then we started hanging out because we had mutual friends sean perlman and mike caplan Sean Perlman was in LA at the time. So we would all hang out. I remember one time I liked you so much and like I hadn't told you yet. This was maybe after I had told you and we were just friends or something.

I think this is, okay. So we went to Bridgetown Festival. You were there too. We hung out the whole time. It was like definitely flirty and fun or like at least from my perspective, he was keeping it so professional. Like no, I couldn't get a read.

But this was the time in my life where I just told guys I liked them. Eventually, I would just like go like, I like you. What's going on? You walked me in my hotel room, like maybe the last night at Bridgetown. And I was like, I think I said, can we like kiss or something? Like I think I said that line. And you were like, I have a girlfriend. And I'm like, what?

And then I was like, who? you said Jennifer Aniston you said Jennifer Aniston no you said you said your girlfriend at the time who I um knew and I go oh well at least I have we have good I knew I have good taste because that's someone who I respect comedically and as a friend and I was like I had no idea I'm so embarrassed and you were so lovely to be like don't be embarrassed like obviously we get along and like this wasn't something to like that there's no indication that you should have not done that and I feel that's so nice like you were you handled it the way that your girlfriend would have wanted you to at the time and the way that I I felt just like very taken care of do you have any memories of that thank you yes and actually my memory of it is that uh it wasn't the last night of the

comedy festival and you said it and I was like I'm dating someone and then we were like oh okay and then there was like a really good recovery and we were just cool the rest of the time and I thought I too thought like what a cool thing to do to just bravely tell someone I'm into you and then just let it happen uh and I was I I remember thinking it was cool that we sort of like stuck the landing of that and powered through any awkwardness and it was fine we did because it was like it it actually brought us like closer and gave us the ability to become better friends which then led to us being set up to be together when your relationship ended not by any doing of mine because i i completely you didn't

threaten that girl's life at all no no there was nothing i mean i've done that in the past to her just because she's too funny and i've done like witchcraft to hope that she like gets in loses her voice or something i've tried to ursula her but um and not i i really actually was like oh that's cool you're dating someone i like and it just made me feel like okay i was right but i did wish that you guys ended how long after did you break up with her and then how did you read and bridge was probably in the spring and then i think we probably got together i think that ended pretty quickly after and and i think that's why we were already connecting is because that relationship was maybe on its way out. Like, not because we were having a flirtation, but like, maybe.

I don't know, Zach. That I'm not totally clear on the timeline of. But what I do specifically remember is that right after we broke up, you and I were both at Chicago JFL. And we like ran into each other. That's right. Is that where we first hooked up? You were like, how are things going in your relationship? And I was like, we broke up.

And I remember we were out having coffee. And we both looked at each other like, you know, there was like eye laser beams shooting back and forth. Yes. Glazer beams. Did we first like get intimate there in Chicago? Yeah, I think we sort of knew it was going to happen. And then we smooched that yeah Yeah yeah okay and I was still drinking

Then so this is all like fuzzy and I Could only kiss boys and like Have sex or do anything if I was Fucked up not because I didn't like the person I was doing it with I was just so nervous So my Memory is hazy of this time We had a very PG smooch

Sesh it was Oh good yeah no you were it was you i have to say um i've dated like a lot of bad people and a lot of good people and you are on the the good list with um few others where i was like oh okay like this pattern of dating unavailable people that aren't right for me i do have it in me to be attracted to people who would like treat me well and and zach you are one of those and i've had i've had several of those that that give me hope that when i'm when i go for someone who's an f boy f boy island coming to uh hbo max july 29th by the way Thank you so much So then I invited him to Lollapalooza

Because I was living in St. Louis at the time You were in New York Yes I invited you to Lollapalooza Wait how did Chicago end Just with a kiss that one day Zach There's so much

Nikki we need like 36 consecutive hours to unpack everything Nikki we need like 36 consecutive Hours to unpack everything Yeah we need a Joe Rogan episode Chicago we Made out the last night It was very PG I did I was like crashing on some you had like

Higher JFL status than I did And I was crashing on some dude's shitty Couch like way out in the middle of nowhere I had to like take a train in to the festival And stuff and you were like I'm shitty couch, like way out in the middle of nowhere. I had to like take a train into the festival and stuff. And you were like, I'm leaving at four o'clock in the morning. Just stay over in my hotel room. And we made out. We passed out.

You woke up. I like, I don't remember you leaving, but I remember I woke up in your nice hotel room and I was like, this is so much better than staying on that guy's couch. Oh my God. I love that. That's so, I love that. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, I stand by that that. That's so, I love that. Yeah, that's,

that's, I stand by that move. I would do that again for you. that was nice. And then, and then we went to Lollapalooza, which was a big deal. I would always,

it was with my best friends from college. It was like a, my biggest event, like the most fun thing I do all year. We go to Chicago, we rent a room, a couple rooms and we all get wasted and like go to shows

and stuff and um and i invited zach my friends were obsessed with you like a little too much i mean we're not going to talk about the thing that may it was just it was one of i i will say someone hit on you when they got drunk? Yes, I will not say, but there was a friend in our group that was a straight man who loved Zach, like loved Zach so much and was like, he's the coolest guy. One night we were in two queen beds

that were in the same room as this guy. And one night he tried to get in bed and cuddle with Zach. Is that right, Zach? I only have the haziest memory of this, but I definitely remember that it was a thing that weekend that you were like, that guy is really, really enjoys hanging out.

Look, when you listen to Gin Blossoms all day, it's going to do it to you. And I think back then I was like, he's probably gay. But the truth is, I think that he might be a little bit on this like everyone's sexuality is fluid and i wouldn't i'm never gonna that guy is now married to a woman and like that doesn't make me question his relationship at all that he was maybe attracted to zach who i you know i don't blame him he was again good taste but that was like a thing that real like no one's talked about since and

i'm like there's no shame in it it was cute he was wasted and he just wanted affection from a guy that like he felt really close to he just wanted to be loved i think that guy was in a bad place in his life in the same bed yeah he climbed in on the other side i think with zach while i was and we were all really drunk i mean like in this guy really drinks probably because he's you know suppressing these feelings that he has for men sometimes that has nothing to be ashamed of and like

That's very ass. I think sometimes I've been told by people that I sometimes give off like a camp counselor friendly camp counselor vibe so it's possible that I also The one that molested you.

You climb into the bunk. So maybe he got a little you know like he needed a little camp counseling. No you um Do all your chores and daddy will take care of you. I he needed a little camp counseling no you um yeah do all your chores and daddy will take care of you i don't want to say this but you have a did you go to jewish camp oh yeah never mind sorry i don't want okay i'm sorry i don't want zach i think you'll be comfortable with me saying this but i've read all these books about how to

trick men into loving you because i was just interested in this psychology of like attraction and like what men like and i learned about like female and male energy like the yin and yang which people men hate to be like i have a feminine energy that means i'm gay but you are a for all i know a very straight man who has i think you have feminine energy and i think that's why when i was like i like you i like i was the one that was like pushing it forward like i made the moves but then you also are extremely masculine in ways and we would like I think that he sensed that an energy the feminine energy of you that isn't meaning that you are like a woman but that is like nurturing and that's what he needed so badly and that's what I need I mean that's why I was attracted to you so

do you do you think that in relationships are you um usually the one that makes the first move because that's usually indicating uh what you are like what's your do you do you subscribe to the feminine masculine energy i'm very comfortable being described as having feminine energy and i thought you would be i i'd have to think more about that am i usually the one who makes the first move thing i want you to think about it because i think that's you know i i'm trying to tend to i want to be more in a feminine energy and it's against my nature as a stand-up comic to as a female stand-up comic male stand-up comics or male performers are generally female energy even though and female stand-ups are generally masculine energy because we're like loud and on stage and requiring attention.

And masculine, it takes a lot of emotion and vulnerability to get up there as a man and share your feelings in even comedic or musical ways. So I was told by the woman that wrote the book, Getting To I Do, which is all about this, that male comics or male performers are generally feminine energy. And that it wasn't a bad choice for me as a masculine energy woman to always be attracted to them because I felt like some kind of fault in that moving forward wait can I say a couple things at this point one is my natural impulse is to thank people when they compliment me and you've said like 10 nice things about me and your friends thinking I was cool and me being like the kind of guy who gave you hope about your dating instincts so let me just issue a blanket because the conversation is flying fast and furious.

So, you know, thank you for all this stuff. I really appreciate it. Also, I just want to report. I was a little nervous coming on, not because I was like afraid that something bad was. I guess I was afraid that something bad was going to happen, but not any specific thing. Just like it's been so long. And it's hilarious to me that like instantly it's like my old bud and it's, it's an immense relief and I'm having so much fun.

I cannot wait to see you again and be friends with you again because, and like go to lunch. Like I was just in LA and I go, fuck, I didn't reach out to Zach. I didn't really have time, but you really are someone that now when I'm thinking about moving to LA and trying to figure out like't reach out to Zach I didn't really have time but you really are someone that now when I'm thinking about moving to LA and trying to figure out like who are my friends

gonna be who will I hang out with I really hope that you're someone on that list that we can be like regular friends Lizzie Cooperman who's one of my best friends has over the years that I haven't talked to Zach because long story short Zach went to Lollapalooza with me we had the best time we went back he met my family they loved him so much we hung out in st louis a bit then i was in new york i got this pilot for the mtv show i was just feeling distance between us it just like wasn't gonna sustain itself and it was losing steam we called it off then he opened for me on a show a month later because i was like we should stay friends we're good at being friends he opened for me on a show a month later and you went on the road with me a little bit I went on

the road with you it was like I was a huge fan of yours you were a fan of mine it was like fun to watch each other's shows and you had written a song about me I think uh prior to the one that I'm gonna talk about that was about like how cute I was when I slept like about like looking like a roly-poly book like I just curl up it exists it's recorded and on the internet i'll send it to you what it is i'll send it to you zach i know oh my god i would have sent it oh my god i didn't know i know i didn't let you talk to me so that is so nice so he had he had written me this i've never had a song written about me it like touches me in a way that i almost i'm getting uh verklempt talking about it because it was so sweet and so then we we met up about a month or so after we had uh decided to break up and he was opening for me on a show and i had quit drinking

a week before didn't really know how to handle my anger or feelings uh and was kind of like in this new space of like what do i do with my feelings and life and i was also like maybe we'll hook up again like i still like it was in the cards i think we had said like was also like, maybe we'll hook up again. Like I still like, it was in the cards. I think we had said like, let's hang out and we'll have one last, you know? Yeah. And then Zach decided to debut a song that he had worked on in the time

between we broke up and the performance. And this would be intolerable to sit through if you and I hadn't had the exchange that we've already had. I'm like forcing myself to power through hearing this, please go I know and that's why I'm just like because people have already heard it it doesn't matter and it's water under the bridge and I have done similar things even in recent time that have reminded me of the choice that you made there that we have all done which is like we're hurt we decide to write a joke or a thing we put it into our act and we do that thing in front of a person to let them know how

we really feel because we weren't able to say it then. And so Zach decided to write a song that was about one time. And I remember this. I was like such a drunk. We were back at your place. I ate a disgusting salad that I remember it's awful onions and stuff on it. And then we kissed afterwards, which is something I do a lot of times with guys. I'll kiss them and be like, dude's kicking like if this my breath is terrible

like and i remember even saying that at the time and you took that moment and wrote it into a song that was like about a girl with bad breath which was really it was actually beautifully written from what i remember and like very good which almost hurt more because i was like the effort that went into it so after he got off stage uh you know the whole story you can go back and listen to it on the past podcast because i don't want to go into detail because we're moving on and i'm not saying the past is the past but he's been accountable for it i have been accountable for my behavior in it but he got off stage and i did the thing that i did to pete lee and then i've done to a couple guys that have like crossed me in the past and i said never speak to me again and i think you thought it was just like

something i was saying but i really was like literally i never want to talk to you again it's over and i never talked again when you were doing the song did you have any like feeling that okay maybe this is over like while you're we're performing it or like before were you just like no this is a silly song did you have any inclination that she could take it i feel i have to like i'm so like i'm overcoming like just bad feelings about that night and the subsequent like immediate aftermath just to be in this conversation right now but i know zach i'm sorry thank you so much for having this conversation i'm so it's so cathartic to have it it's... Thank you so much for having this conversation on a podcast. I'm so... It's so cathartic to have it. It's such a pleasure. It is.

And honestly, having... Because it was 10 years ago. We were dumb. I know. And yet... We were dumb things. I said it in those first texts to you. Because it got, like, preserved in amber all those years, it still feels like...

In some ways, it still feels like it just happened. But I honestly want to nod to Andrew for being here. It's so pleasant to have this benevolent presence around. I feel like you're the couple's therapist for this interaction because you're this nice third-party adjudicator. You've got some skin in the game, but it didn't happen to you. So I'm glad

you're here. No, but I read the lyrics and I'm not actually pleased with you. The lyrics don't exist. I think he burned them. No them i wrote a version myself actually me and zach worked on the song behind your back and there we go you're ready that's so no and andrew and zach i'm sorry i didn't introduce you to each other you're going to be best friends yeah i feel we're both jews we went to jewish summer camp like you're gonna

be on the show again and we're going to explore anything other than this story. But what happened was I, and then Zach reached out to me. Zach is the one who even then. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I do want to answer. No, you're not allowed to. Never talk to me again. Did you not hear me?

Oh God, this is what I was afraid of. No, Zach. Wow, geez. Zach, please talk. I just named it. Yeah, tell me, answer Andrew's question because I think I know.

My recollection is that, okay, so I wrote Pill Bugs, the song about how you slept curled up like a roly-poly which was such a nice thing because also do you remember that i had written a song for about another woman i dated and you were like i really like that song but it was not it was not super kind to her like maybe that's why i liked it you ever think that i'm sure i was like no i think it's sweet i'm sure i gave you like a green light to maybe get a little bit critical so then i remember standing in the basement of that club and you and i had seen each other it was the first time we saw each other we had we'd gone out to dinner but we hadn't like really like

been alone and we'd had this long distance breakup and it just was like kind of cordial but like was weird and stiff and i was like part of it one piece of the puzzle is that i was obsessed with doing new material i was so insecure about what i was doing on stage that i was like well i'll make up for it with prolificness for not knowing what the fuck I'm doing. And so I had written this new song and it was the most recent substantive thing I'd written. And also Boston was where I started. And so being back in Boston and not doing anything new to me was like, it was like an

admission of defeat. Like I'd gone to LA and wasn't doing new shit. I didn't even think about that. Oh, Zach, that makes so much sense and so I remember coming up to you and being like Nikki yep Mike and I talked about it and I was like should I even think about doing it and he was like it's your new thing you could talk about it with her we kind of tried to game it out I remember it was not successful so I went up to Mike. So you asked me. Or I went up to you in the club and I was like, Nikki, I wrote a song and I'm not, I just wanna,

and you were like, just go for it. Don't worry about it. And I remember being like, I'm just, I'm gonna do it even though some warning bells are going off. Well, I remember you having that kind of like face with it, which it wasn't like there was something that you were worried about and I didn't know if it was because it was like something that I would be offended by or because it wasn't ready or something like you had a hesitation of like should I do this new song I didn't know if the worry was it was new or that it was about you

and might hurt your feelings and I just was like just do and I remember saying to you you know me you know what i get offended by just like and then i remember zach so clearly turning to mike who was standing there knew the song mike kaplan our friend who had facilitated us kind of being together was someone that i was like oh my god zach's friends with mike i love mike anyone who mike is close to is like i'm ready to like marry them because mike is just a good person and I just trusted him so I go to Mike and I go you've heard the song I go do you think I'd care or something and and Mike I remember Mike going like kind of hesitating and be like I think you should do it but I remember the hesitation and being like I should have heeded that and said no or asked what it was about because I gave you the green light so i i told

you to do it and then you did it and my soul left my body during the performance and uh i cried i went in the green room and cried during mike's set because i was just like so i was just embarrassed because it was like my biggest fear is like having bad breath. And like, all I do is like, and I was just getting out of drinking, which I told Zach and, um, in our voice memos, like so much of my shame about that song was not about that. This person who it was about a person who I thought cared about me,

like thought bad things about me and like spent time writing the song. But it was more about the fact that the song was about me being gross. And it was just one time. Like Zach even told me later, it was just one time. And maybe it was more than that. I have bad breath. I'm human. But back then, just like you were insecure about new material, which I totally understand.

I was too back then, especially in your home club and Boston. I know how you feel about Boston, how you feel about new material. And your new material is like a three and a half minute chunk or sometimes that takes so much longer than me writing a couple lines so i get all of that and and i also appreciate that you were able to channel your feelings about me in that moment into a song like you worked through some stuff with that song some anger which i think is kind of cool and should you have done in front of me no but we were young and dumb but the it made me feel like i was gross which was already my biggest deep down secret is like i keep my my room is why you're drinking i and or you would mask it with drinking and and the reason i was

gross that night is because i was drinking and i ate something late at night it was attached to my eating disorder it was attached to my messy room that i have been because of my adhd that i wasn't diagnosed with and thought it was just my fault because i'm gross um just being just always feeling gross my whole life and being and not even talking about that fear because i was so scared that i put in someone's mind and then they would be like yeah that's true about you yeah and that's why i just quit drinking to kind of get away from the grossness and then this was validation that yes you are gross and it wasn't though zach if i would have been listening it was it was a scapegoat for me to put all of my

like self-hatred into and go he made me feel that way and that's what when people go he made me feel that way i chose that thing was an excuse for me to go that's that's why i hate myself is because someone actually told me in a song that it's not me just hating myself it's like that was validated and invalidated and that's what it was all wrapped around was my drinking disorder has to do with because you do have a camp counselor vibe and i would say you are actually a like a good like he's an extremely yes he is a good person when someone is good and then they do like one thing that's not great whatever however you want to view it it like sticks out and i feel like sometimes it's like the trumpism of like he's always an asshole so when he's an

asshole everyone's like that's who he is right so you're going against the grain so sometimes i feel like you get you get more shit for doing like one bad thing when you're too nice i always said that too like you should have wrote more shitty songs zach was never it was totally out of character for him yeah that'd be to be um confrontational or to be critical um we both talk shit about people and we both had the character defect of like not being authentic with our word that we're probably better at now but um yeah it was a departure from how you it was such it was such a wild year for me and i had like i was so confused about comedy i was like i'd

had two major long distance breakups in the year um I was really confused about my feelings about you specifically. I wrote that song. I was just grasping for stuff to write about. So it just was a shit storm. And I, I love you saying that you left your body when I was writing that song. It's so, or when I was performing it,

it's so relatable and I'm thinking it was kind of over a fast beat and the lyrics were like rapid fire. So I'm thinking it was kind of over a fast beat and the lyrics were like rapid fire so i'm thinking about me and how much i mean i'm laughing but it's also like i just can't believe it like to to do a song that like i remember not fucking the lyrics up because it's like a thing to you know i have to like practice and practice so not only write it but like driving around la practicing it and then being on stage like vigorously sticking the performance of this song that would like fuck up a really important part of my life for a decade and me just like blithely up there like rocking the mic for this crowd of people being like you know not that they were like going out

of their minds for the song but they were like no they liked it there was visceral reactions yeah i remember people being like oh my god it was watching myself in my memory perform it is like when you're watching a horror movie and the person like puts their foot in the swimming pool where like the bloodthirsty alligator is you're like stop do not but you're powerless to do anything about it i feel like everyone at home wants to hear this song so much i want to hear this song i actually i bet i think that would be a way to like tackle i think you should bring it back and i i think there's a way that we can like and i can write a verse too in response like you can help me oh shit yeah yeah but you know what about his bad asshole or something no he's a great asshole i never thought but my bad dude i just assumed that was gonna happen um yeah so but zach i just want to say because we got to get to the news i i remember and i just want validation of this i remember you

getting off stage and i saw your eyes and like your expression and you kind of walked up to me maybe this is something i've painted in my mind because i've told the story so many times on so many podcasts i'm sure you've heard them where where you just walked up to me and you just after you got off stage and you looked like you just go like it was like this like I fucked up like you knew you might have sensed like my energy

in the room the second you looked at me you knew it was a mistake even though the performance was great the song was great and everyone loved you I mean then you closed with B it brought down the house it's like hard I had to put Mike up to like bring them back down no offense to mike but like get them because he's so good yeah and i think i saw him perform before i saw cabin oh yeah oh yeah um he that's why i was attracted to you mostly it's like how fucking talented you were and it was an honor to even be a subject of your song

even if it was this one but i just remember seeing you and knowing that you knew you fucked up did you feel that walking off stage yes let me say a few things beginning with answering this question and i know we need to move on so i'll make it snappy i i think i was checking in with you like flicking my eyes towards you throughout the performance to see what was happening so i'm sure i knew midway through that like basically this part of my life was over and then there's definitely no way that i would have approached you and like gone through the state the crowd at motley's to like back in the at the back wall where you were standing and not been able to pick up from your body language that something was seriously wrong so yes i validate that memory for sure and i remember you standing

back against that one back wall and just being like, oh boy, this is going to be wild. Were you in the back slowly going, like smelling your own breath? I was standing next to Emmy Botnick. Were you smelling your own breath at all? No, because I knew the time he was talking about. And I really did know that I wasn't like a stinky person.

And like, or, you know, sometimes, no, I am a stinky person because I'm fucking human. But, and I wasn't taking care of myself then because I was drinking too much. So it makes sense. Like I was stink sometimes no I am A stinky person because I'm fucking human But and I wasn't taking care of myself Then because I was drinking too much so it makes sense Like I was stinkier than I am now Also let me say I chew gum compulsively And I'm super always self Aware about my breath it's it came from

An insecurity inside me as well yes I had to quit gum actually because I was so Obsessed with gum it was more related to like Eating disorder but I'm coming up on a year of No gum and I literally used to do like three Packs a day like cigarettes it was disgusting related to like eating disorder but i'm coming up on a year of no and i literally used to do like three packs a day like cigarettes it was disgusting so august six the year for sure yeah it was a trident head i spent more money on trident than like people do on car insurance and like they're buying you had a certain kind of yeah it was light blue that no one sold it's winter winter fresh if you want a winter green i think is the name but it's light

blue it's the best trident gum if you're if you're someone who's not a gum addict you should try it um but i remember um i was next to emmy blotnick who i had told zach wrote a song about me i like wonder which one it was and she i remember her but it was so nice to have her there because she was just like it's okay like and then we went back in the green room i think during mike's set after i told you never talk to me again how dare you do that i went back in the green room, I think during Mike's set, after I told you never talk to me again, how dare you do that? I went back in the green room, shed a little tears and then went out

and like had a great set because I was so angry. And you know what? This story has brought me so much in my life. It's like, yeah, actually I take it back. That implies that like, I have the ability to throw you a consummate professional off your game. I'm sure shit happens. Good stuff happens before sets sets bad stuff happens and you do your job you did

but it's like it was i'm grateful for this because obviously it's given me so much fodder because it's such a good story and now it's brought i'm always glad when we have i have conflicts with friends even if it's 10 years of not talking because pete lee and i after 11 years of not talking because of a similar-ish thing yeah um because i set a boundary that he was not allowed to cross by any means we are now like so freaking close that we wouldn't have been that way if we would have just been friends anyway and zach i feel like our future as friends is going to be like we'll be at each other's weddings we'll be at each other's funerals

like I know now each other's we yeah each other's funerals yeah like one of us will be at each other's I always say that to

new friends I go you're either going to be at mine or I'm going to be at yours it's a true thing that's going to happen so you can actually blow off mine if you

have something else I always give extend that my funeral if I die my friends can all blow it off because it's the only thing that you actually don't have to show up for for me because i'm dead and i honestly don't care so process it any way you want and please perform that song the roly poly one because roly polies are going to be eating my flesh soon in about 20 years but zach i do want to say that i'm i'm grateful for it and you did try

to reach out to me over the years and you made amazing amends and apologies that i wasn't able to accept uh in the days following the weeks following the months following in the years following extended apologies took accountability was no no part of your apologies were ever but this it was always like i did wrong here's what i did i would really like to be friends again and i was not ready to let that go because it felt it was still an excuse for me to be like that's why i feel like i'm gross because he wrote that song and if i if i let him off the hook then i have to just feel gross because of something and i wasn't ready to unless you're you shouldn't accept apology unless you're really ready I will say though that on Yom Kippur in like 2000 maybe 14 15 you wrote to me said it

was Yom Kippur asked for forgiveness beautiful email I was with my parents and I was like and I'm not kidding you Zach I couldn't listen to rap music after that that the song that you performed because I just associated it all with like i felt like how like kim felt from eminem like i was like i never i didn't enjoy we saw eminem at lollapalooza by the way i was thinking about that this we did it was so good i think i saw him at lollapalooza that same tour really no maybe did he wear an orange jumpsuit i was so far away i can't remember i'm sorry no that's so funny though but i really couldn't enjoy it was the same time same thing that happened with taylor swift when i thought

i had offended taylor swift and had like a bad thing with her i couldn't listen to her music anymore until i apologized and as soon as i accepted your apology it had been a couple years since i'd really enjoyed rap i was like all of a sudden i was like drawn to rap again i was like oh my god i go i don't want to be friends, but I forgive you. And I really did. And then you brought it up on, you made it weird. You have the story up on, you made it weird, the Pete Holmes show, because Mike Kaplan had given Pete Holmes that little nugget to bring up with you. You were so good in that interview being like, I don't want to talk about it.

I don't want to talk about it. Like knowing that it was a bad place to go. Pete kept prying. And I think you also, Pete was in a position of like you're on the show pete is like super famous at the time you're like even feeling like why am i even on this like you just want to give him what he wants and you probably he prodded along and you handled it you talked about it as delicately as you could but it still brought up stuff for me where i go okay forgiveness revoked i'm i'm gonna hate that my only worry can i ask questions that after this

whole ordeal went down did it make you gun shy on like writing stuff about other people like do you think it might have hindered you creatively because of a reaction that might have not have necessarily been about what you did versus how it was received and like with like future relationships or future things you wrote about like family members or anything like that such a good question um and uh and and a generous one to like invite me to think about that i guess i'll say you know we're sensitive artists like uh and every experience like you ricochet off of it and it like affects your forward trajectory and i guess i would say i feel the most myself creatively at this point, like, you know, today that I'd like ever have. And I'm able to speak about the creative confusion I

was feeling at the time with lots of remove because I feel like, oh, I'm really doing my shit now. And if it is the case that I was hindered from writing more songs about people that I was dating, like, I'm glad that I had this experience because perhaps it is a path that would have brought me a lot of joy. I'm happy with my trajectory now. Maybe another good path would have been like writing more very personal songs about people with their names thinly veiled.

But like, I'm totally fine to have not gone farther down that path. And this was like a huge learning experience for me. And Nikki, can I say like two things? One is I have never listened to you talk about this on podcasts. And actually the episode of your podcast where you two talked about it was the first time I've ever been able to like, like I, it would make me perspire to think about hearing you talk about it.

And so hearing you lay it out there, I was like, you just have to like power through and listen to this. And it was a really good experience. And I'm really glad I did. And I'm glad I didn't get any earlier versions. I'll never seek them out. I've never even re-listened to myself on Pete because I just remember how excruciating it was. And you're right.

I'm so glad you haven't done that. Yeah. Thank you. And I also want to say, I am just so, the fact that you're, I told you this when we started trading voice memos like a couple of weeks ago,

but you have become this incredible, you like a beacon of um self-awareness and like calling it like it is and being upfront about who you are even saying stuff like I am a stinky person because I'm a person who exists in a physical body like I'm just I always was like so impressed with how I mean you might remember this time as more dark than you were but like i was into you because you were so smart and funny and gorgeous but you had this like being around you was just like it was exhilarating because you you had a unique uh aspects to your character that like weren't like almost anyone or anyone that i'd ever met and i think you've only amplified those things.

And sometimes like the way our relationship worked for me once we stopped talking was that like every couple years I'd get a text from someone and they'd be like, hey man, I just want you to know I was listening to a podcast and Nikki Glaser is talking shit about you. And eventually I was like, yeah, that's just part of things now. And even when those things would happen,

I would think i'm very clear about this i would think this is not the way it's supposed to go and it's not like i knew and i was like oh nikki's gonna come around but i thought i just have this feeling that one day it's not going to be like this and like it helped make that stuff more it still hurt my feelings but i was able to roll with it more and i'm so happy to be here now i feel like i time warped from all those past texts or you know phone calls or whatever and now i'm like okay this is how it's supposed to be thank you for saying all that and and i do think that i the person i am now was there then and i don't uh when people are like

wait you before you quit drinking you were like a different person that you don't stand by and it's like no it was all there but it was being clouded by that stuff and so it's really nice to hear that and i knew you saw that in me and that's why i like that you were it's obvious to me that i was on the way to being a better person because i was attracted to some i mean all these things line up me quitting drinking and you being the relationship i had right before that was not because i was like hit a bottom it was because i saw better for myself and i was already on that trajectory so and i just want to say that in i understood uh i i was able to have i did the same thing to people uh to people i cared about where i talked bad about

them on something that i just didn't even think about them hearing didn't do it because i didn't think they would hear it but because i was just like whatever those are my feelings it really hurt them i apologize for it i got their forgiveness and then i brought it up again on something and the person that i had upset got mad again and was like you brought it up again like you're bringing it up on a podcast as like entertainment and even though you have this perspective of being, being sorry about what you did, it just opened,

it like picked at the scab and it's bleeding again. And I was like, Oh my God, I know that feeling. I felt that on the, you made it weird thing. Like, even though he was remorseful and like the fact that he brought it up again,

like re triggered it all. And so I was able to understand, um, it helped me and in like being able to see myself and and people I've heard so I've done the same thing I'm so glad we're friends now um and and I said over the voicemail I was like I love you I don't even think we I don't even think we said I love you when we were in a relationship the stakes were way too high I mean way too high and so um i do love you and it's like it's really i love you too andrew i really did love you back then like you're just i feel like we're like i

don't know it's like one of those okay this is my last question about this in 2017 my friend larry was in town and we went out to eat by the improv and he was like, Hey, are we, can we go see a comedy show? And I was like, sure. And we went to the improv and we slid into that like circular booth and like the back right of the room and you were on stage and you came and sat down in the booth and we hadn't talked. And I was like, Oh my God, does Nikki know that we're sitting like one person apart from each other? It was dark. You weren't expecting to see me there. So a thing

i've wondered about for i guess like four years is just did that did you know that this happened i don't when you're bringing this up i did not remember it but i 100 knew because like i that's a move i would have made is like i'm just gonna act totally fine about him being here i actually love that he's here because i'm gonna go up and try to kill and like be impressive make him oh you saw he was there before you probably did and i probably knew that he didn't know i had seen him so i was gonna make him uncomfortable by like being in the being in front of him on the booth being like what if she turns around and sees it's me it's gonna be a thing but i knew so i was all calculated i saw you went i mean i really went out of my way to like make you a pariah and that is what I'm most disgusted

by is like when boys have hurt me I've gone out of my way to like to have everyone hate them too and it's such a disgusting move and I'm really embarrassed that and I do think that some of my shit talking about you and behavior towards you at comedy events made you feel alienated as I was trying to do and possibly hurt you not only in your career or like personal relationships and I really apologize and I want to make it up to you by like bringing you in and lifting you up and like showing you off because you're so insanely talented and you're I love to hear that back then come do spots on the tour absolutely come do spots on the tour pick out dates don't take any of my time or i'll fucking kill you it is gonna come out of your time but i'm grateful

for it but anyway i i really i apologize for being a bully to you it's like my worst character defect i believe and um and i really was and i tried to and um and i and i will try to do everything i can to make up for that in a sincere way, which is like not because I want to make up for it, but because you deserve to have all the success because you're one of the most talented people I've ever known and you know that and that's why I was attracted to you and felt so like,

one of the many reasons I was attracted to you and so I plan on making it up to you, not because I have to, but because I want to and also I loved that you said when I go, I it up to you, not because I have to, but because I want to. And also, I loved that you said, when I go, I'm a vegan now,

I was really catching up on Boyz II Men, I was like, I'm a vegan now. And he said, when I heard you were vegan, I had a feeling we would be able to, like you would, because if you're a vegan,

you have enough empathy for like, if you have empathy for like snails and bees, I don't know that, that story yesterday, there was that animal rights lawyer who wanted to kill her, her husband's girlfriend. So it could just be a balance. Oh,

that's interesting. Save a cow, kill a cowboy. You know what I mean? Really being vegan. I, I, you were the first vegan I ever got close to.

And I used to like roll my eyes at it and even used it against you to make fun of you in later years. And, um, that's, that's been really fun to talk about as a vegan now because there's so many vegan stand-up jokes we're weak we where do we give our protein and it's just the hackiest shit and i'm on a crusade to make vegan material that is making fun of that uh looking at us like that but i used to do it i was i was a person that made fun of vegans and you us like that. But I used to do it. I was a person that made fun of vegans, and it was all because I was hurt.

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have to be two things well giving up drinking and going to therapy okay tell it sounds like a kind of a selfish thing though like i was thinking about like what have i done brave for someone else and i couldn't really think of that many things yeah which is sad uh maybe i'll sign up for big brother today going to therapy will you talk about that yeah so going to therapy i just um you know i was told to go to therapy by my family for many years and i just you know when you're told to do something you want to rebel against it and eventually um i don't were we friends before i even went the first time i don't know i think so but i yeah so i don't know like i always i also assume because i never looked into it that it was

so fucking expensive that i can't i'm a poor comedian dog walker i could never afford it excuses so many excuses putting it on a pedestal being like i kind of understand what i'm going through because my little brother went to therapy so the correlation like through him i i understand where i'm at like why don't you ask her this sam uh no so yeah so like going to that and how did you do it to be honest there's a lot of people listening that feel the same way. And they're talking in their head like, well, they're making excuses. So how did you do it?

It's so hard to do to find the right one because it is hard. I always say it's like dating. Like you cannot go off one, two, three, even five. It took me, I finally found a good therapist and it's taken me 18 years of going to therapy. I've had good ones here and there, but like a really good one. It's like a relationship.

It's hard. Well, part of you. But you learn along the way. I just thought like maybe it would make me weak or like weaker. Like, like I looked at it as a weakness to go get help. So I actually went to a social worker years ago and I was like, well, that's not like a therapist. That's like a social.

That's a tough social worker. You know, like you convince you convince the word workers in it yeah blue collar yeah we used to build construction and break down my relationship with my father walls yeah one hammer at a time yeah yeah i've never used a hammer uh so anyways so yeah so, no, I went, another comedian, that all the comedians went to this guy. I went to his wife because she had more availability. And someone said I could pay for her on a sliding scale. And I was like, what the hell is a sliding scale? I didn't even know what that was.

And it was like 60 bucks to see her. And I was like, I could afford $60 a month or every two weeks. Right. To kind of get an understanding of like what the hell's going on. And you can always get out of it. You can always stop

unless you're Nikki Glaser for a couple years with an abusive therapist. But like, if you encounter one of those, talk to, I went to another therapist to break up with a therapist one time

because it was just such, so there's bad people out there just like relationships. It really is like dating. And within like three things like like there were things that i was putting off like i had financial uh uh like ruin him a debt that i would just avoid because it was too scary to focus on and i was too afraid of finding out if i was sick or not whether i had like aids or like whether i had cancer i was a complete hypochondriac and those two things within the first five sessions i went to a doctor

and i went to an accountant and i gotta tell you i was even sadder when i found out that was worse well guess what but yeah that paid off now it's very close yeah and and i just think that that i i love that you and i'm dying so so that's good because it's like yeah i just feel like so many men are just now getting into therapy and self-help because it's become this like almost i think it's the i think it's the hottest thing a guy can do and i i don't just say that to uh just because i want more people to get help and i'm thinking it'll incentivize it it is really like it's such a turn on that someone's like, it's brave. It honestly is brave. It's like as brave as rock climbing or doing something like mass.

It's very masculine to admit what to ask for help and to talk to someone who admit you're not as smart as you think you are and that you don't have it figured all out and that you want to get better. There's nothing hotter so i always say like if people if you're in a relationship with a man who or a woman who is refusing to do therapy or like things they haven't figured out you're with someone who thinks they're done you the idea that someone is done that you're just like i'm good this is so it's just so unattractive and it's so it's it's it's indicative of someone who if you're not happy with them right now and they feel like they're done do you think it's

gonna get better ever unless they take the step to get better no it's gonna get worse so um well it's just interesting i always tell my friends make an ultimatum say leave him if you're if he if he doesn't get help and they go but then he's just gonna do it because he doesn't want to leave me yeah he is you need to give people it's like intervention and then and then he'll learn in therapy that it's not even about her it's about him the whole time and that his shit that he had to figure out and it might be a bad therapist and you don't like her and then they goes it was a bad therapist i don't want to go again and you go okay well um you keep going did did you out of the first girlfriend who wasn't, or the first bumble date you went on?

Did you just stop? Maybe because bumbles not that great, but like you just keep going. So I really appreciate you saying that that was the bravest thing. And I do believe you're, you've done a lot of masculine Lee brave things, but I'm glad you chose that one because I think it is. You really didn't want to go.

Zach, what's the bravest thing you've ever done? Well, Andrew, that was great. Thank you. It's making me feel good about being in therapy. I think my therapist is good, not great, but he's good. That's good enough. The sort of boring answer that I chose when thinking about this prompt was moving to LA when I did like 11 years ago, because I just didn't know what was going on. And it was kind of a dumb move that has turned out to have worked out but yeah I really was like did you ever read the book The Phantom Tollbooth uh it's like a children's book I've heard of it there's a part where I saw The Booth with Colin Farrell that movie there's a part where this like this guy

says to this boy who's gonna go on a quest's like, I have to tell you something about this, but I can't tell you until you're back. And then the kid goes and does it. And then he comes back and the king is like, okay, the thing I can only tell you when you're back is this is impossible. It can't be achieved. And the kid's like, but I did it. And the king's like, well, if I told you that before, you would not have been able to do it.

And so sometimes I look back at myself and I'm like, you don't want to know how much shit you're going to have to deal with, man. Just go move to la and don't worry about it and let some time pass so yeah i think yeah that blind that blind being naive is a good thing sometimes yeah because you look back and you go i didn't really have to steal myself before that move like maybe a little bit you were nervous and like i definitely went out before i moved to la the first time i like gotten explosive fights out of nowhere because i was so nervous to take this leap and i was like acting out in all these ways but i didn't it was just the thing you had to do i didn't think of it as like this when i think of bravery i think of like running into a burning building right like and and that is what la is now is a burning building. Oh, that's so true. Burning tents on the street.

Oh, sorry, Nikki. Go ahead. Yeah. No, go on. You sure? Yeah, go ahead. I actually know your bravest thing, Zach, that I would say. Do you know what I'm going to say?

I think I do. I want to talk about it. You confronted a dog and saved my life. It was the hottest thing ever. I've never been so horned up for someone. First of all, I get horned up when guys are like Vulnerable and go to therapy I literally get like And then the complete opposite

The one time I got so horny On a dime Was when my ex-boyfriend Started sobbing out of nowhere It was the first time I saw him Like break down crying And I literally Had to blow him

In a conference room Because I was so horned up At his emotions So I stand by this Like getting help And accessing feelings But the time That we were about to go

To lunch or dinner Or something Walking out of your apartment A pitbull growled at us And was about to go to lunch or dinner or something, walking out of your apartment, a pit bull growled at us and was about to attack. Was it not on a leash? No. Zach, it was your neighbors that were fucking insane. Okay, I used to live next to the band Green Jello.

Do you remember them? They had the song Three Little Pigs. Noah knows them. Noah is a metalhead. Noah is a panthera head. Okay, so they lived in this house in Hollywood that I lived in the apartment next to, and they would have these wild parties, and they got evicted because someone died at one of

their parties. And they just had these two pit bulls named Jihad and Lucy, and Lucy was short for Lucifer, and they were just unrestrained. And when you walked by, they would scream at you ferociously while you walked past this concrete yard full of like piles of dog shit and so one night Nikki and I were coming back late from a show and we were walking to my terrible apartment

and all of a sudden it wasn't terrible I like that place I always remember the Bronner's show it was the first time I saw Bronner's that stuff that has like all the writing and it has like scripture on it I was like what the fuck is this And I smelled like peppermints for like 13 years

I think you were like go eat You may want to do a little bit more stuff Can you wash your mouth Go on I love how you had peppermint Like it's almost like mouthwash You had as body soap And I think it was for me

Zach we're sending a message And my sink looked like a face When you looked at it from overhead And you were always like Oh I like that guy You'd say hi when you would come it from overhead and you were always like, Oh, I like that guy. You'd say hi when you would come back to visit from New York. It was really funny. God, I'm adorable.

So Nikki's like, what the fuck is that? And I look up and the pit bull is just charging us. Why do I feel like it was Jihad? If I had to put my money on it. I do love animals, but this was 10 years ago. So thank God they're both probably dead. It was, uh, no, it was their puppy, Sharia Law. And it was like, what?

It was, that was so scary. I remember, Zach, I went like this around my neck because I knew that I was about to be attacked. And like, my neck is the only thing in my face, like my money maker. I went into, I'm being attacked, like not fight mode. Take my ass, it's already gone. Yeah, I just turned around

I was like go for it maybe I'll come during this so then but you did not take that position you see this dog coming at you what were your thoughts no sorry who are you Moses my dog just got so mad or like so scared

that's what it does to a dog when you do that at it. And the dog was just like, what the? It stopped and then we just kind of ran around it. It stopped in its tracks and you were just like, you were not someone that I had seen in that mode before of like, you're vegan, you're kind to people. That's why I was attracted to you as well.

Well, it builds up, baby. And you just protected my life and i was like oh let's go i went in and was like yeah like let's i was so horned up because you saved my life that was very brave i want to say my bravest thing real quick was uh doing was accepting dancing with the stars when i had no dancing ability and agreeing to dance and not knowing that it was a live show but then the day I found out it was live and I didn't pull out of it was the bravest moment of going like, okay, I'm going to dance live on TV

and I don't know if I can dance. I literally have never learned to dance before. That was the bravest moment of my life. Noah, what was your bravest moment? Trying to text me to hurry this up and seeing my response? I think the bravest moment for me was having to put my dog down

and like dealing with his death because I usually try to avoid stuff like that. And what, I mean, I guess you didn't have a choice a little bit or I mean, I guess you did have a choice. Like what was that choice like? Well, I could, so he had cancer that had metastasized and he would need assistance going to the bathroom. So he had cancer that had metastasized,

and he would need assistance going to the bathroom. He would need assistance using the bathroom, so I would have to take him to get his bladder drained for the rest of his life. And I was like, I'm not going to keep him alive for that. It would be for me. It would be so selfish. Just having to go through it and be like being there as he's euthanized it was just like a life-changing altering moment that i could have like ignored or

had someone else deal with it which is something like i i don't i don't um confront like death feelings like like straightforward and and yeah like send people my regards like i just kind of like avoid it i do too me too i like when people when i have a friend whose parent dies i can't call them it's just weird i don't know what to do either and it's like i kill my dog i'm really grateful that you said that because i feel alone i feel like a really that's when i feel i'm a really good friend but when my friends have a death in their life, I go silent, and I don't know what to do. The dog thing's weird, because I see all these TikToks, like, last day with, you know, Lucy,

or Lucy, Jihad. Well, we hope. Yeah. And the dog is, like, eating and looks like, that's the thing that's hard with the dog, is, like, you could euthanize it, and it almost looks like it could live another couple years. You know what I mean? Like, but it has like cancer and it's going to die in a month anyway. But you just, you don't, it's not showing you that.

Cause it's not a dog. It's not like the dog can't be like, Hey, yeah, this is pretty bad. It's terminal five or whatever the hell it is. What a great terminal five. I think that's like a music venue in New York. Yeah. Where I saw Green Jello. That's a really, really good one.

And then you turned it into something awesome. Yeah, I turned it into something very positive where I was able to raise money for a charity that a veterinarian who helped me through it was a director of that helped people get uh medical assistance for their pets and helped um stray animals as well get medical service so i just yeah that was really into something really touching and meaningful uh did not die in vain final thought i want to move into this brings us perfectly to a place that i just i don't know if people know this i've been giving out dog in the in the solo part of the show i talked about how i get my dog to be an

off-leash dog and this has all been like dog themed and brave themed but um being with your dog when it's euthanized i haven't had to go through that before but if you can i hope everyone makes the choice to like be in the room because i've just read on reddit enough times that like from veterinarians writing in like that is a time that you just you need to be i know you don't want to see it and it's going to be hard but like you need to be there for your dog to like hold his paw or do whatever to like you know bring them to the next stage of their life so if you can do it it's like so many veterinarians share on reddit where i read stuff that um the saddest moments are when the the owner can't be in and if you're someone listening that you were like i i was one person who wasn't in

there that's that's what you had to do to get through it and maybe next time you won't and your dog you you only did it because you loved your dog so much so don't feel bad it's just like maybe next time try to be there and you just couldn't do it then. And that's okay. And I share one thing that I regret and I wish someone would have advised me. So when it was happening, Bruno, like I was like on the side of him

and I was holding him. Like I had my hand around his neck or whatever, just like holding him calmly. And my biggest regret is that i wasn't the last person that he saw right before he passed so sit in front of your pet okay i like that too but i will say that yeah forgive yourself for that and because he you were the last person he felt you touching him and dogs he was probably blind anyway like he's old. Like they don't even see the way that we see or like think about the, I think dogs are less image focused.

You were probably the last person he smelled and felt and which is much more important to a dog than seeing. But we look at it through a human lens of like seeing and it's just, it's not the same. So I think that you're okay that you weren't the last thing. He probably heard you playing Metallica through your walk, man, too. Yeah.

Which you were listening to as he was euthanized. Yeah. Which Noah always listens to. Her Walkman. Yeah. And I just think that, oh, and I also want to say that some veterinarians wrote to me about, because I was talking about taking care of Marion who was attacked by a dog and how she almost died and was in very recently and all the things we went through and i just want to say

that i you may not know this but veterinarians are everyone always says that uh dentists are the number one like suicidal uh or like they have the most suicide of any profession but it's actually veterinarians because they get into being a vet because they love animals and they have like extreme empathy. And it was like a child. It's like almost like a childhood. That's always the job you pick as a child. So these people still retain that childhood love of animals that most of us abandoned

along the way. And they get into this profession to save animals. And most of their job is not it's actually treating animals that have been abused seeing terrible things putting down animals just seeing you can't save as much as you think and they do save a lot so they suffer immense grief immense um just emotional turmoil and uh and because there's they feel so much more because they were drawn to that profession in the first place they feel the negative so much more so actually veterinarians vets both veterans and vets vet technicians and veterinarians have higher suicide than any other profession veterinarians so i want to give a

shout out to veterinarians and i want everyone who might be like annoyed with their vet or like they charge too much yeah just know that those people when my parents were kind of like annoyed at how much they were getting charged for the Marion stuff and they had brought a dog to this place before and the dog, they paid all this money because they were like,

we could save him this way. It's most likely he's going to be saved if we do this. He wasn't saved. And they were always like, and because they tried their best and they always think like they didn't even try because they knew that we didn't pay enough

or they knew our credit score. They want to like make it someone else's fault other than like it just is bad luck and my parents had a lot of like when they brought mary into the hospital i go why would you bring her there again if you truly thought these people weren't giving her they didn't give jango who died the best care why would you bring him back you know that's not the case they're gonna do their best oh your your mom gave the credit card i bet they're gonna see her credit and they're gonna do their best oh your your mom gave the credit card i bet they're gonna see her credit and they're gonna not even save marion because they know that they can't get a buck from us and i'm like if they wanted to make money they would have been a human doctor these people are

not drunk i know there's money in being a vet but there's not they're smart enough to be any kind of doctor they chose one that is uh more thankless and uh has all you know then then the one they if they were motivated by money which i'm sure some are uh they would have done that so have faith in your vets that they're really good people and they're drawn to it for a good reason and have a lot of empathy and uh gratitude for what they do as you have any pets growing up zach where you had to didn't right i feel like you're a hardcore cat family but then my mom got a dog when i went to college to fill the void yes and now is she a dog person no that dog died and she's back to cats nikki

jango is like an iconic glazer pet right like before me i would have heard about him when we were dating uh i think he was around when you were dating. I think I met Django. Yeah, Django was around. You met Django and Django died tragically. But Django was the second Django in our lives. We had a bird named Django initially that was bought to replace Kiwi, who was the best bird we ever had that died because my mom cleaned his cage

with something and then she blamed it on her friend Cindy, but it was actually her. And years later i found out the kiwi died we kiwi was a parakeet just a shitty parakeet that talked no it's fine she didn't mean to no one means to but she just didn't want to take accountability because she thought i would be mad at her because i was a kid and i probably would have it was easier for me to be mad at her friend so kiwi died he was a just a shitty parakeet that like isn't supposed to talk and do tricks but he was insanely intelligent and could do all these things and we were like we don't want to gamble with another parakeet who might not be as special

as kiwi let's get a parrot that we know will talk no does tricks we got it um a senegalese parrot it was we named it jango it uh never talked bit Bit us all the time. Was not fun. Eventually flew out of the house. My dad was bringing a Christmas tree one year. Just gone? Gone. Never came back. We looked for it forever.

And it was winter outside. So it didn't last long. Django Unchained. He never came back. And then my parents got a dog. And they were like, we're going to name this dog Django. And I go, how dare you? We had a bird. You can't do that and they did it and so when my my parents

got another pet i was like what i could name a jango and they're like no that was jango the dog and i was like no there's been a bird so um and so they named it uh much like uh lucifer and jihad they named it um uh child rape yeah yeah trying'm trying to think of the worst the worst name child rape come here i love the pause before it's like a like a very like dark thing and that was one of the bravest things i've ever done honestly because that there's a big risk factor and thank you guys for laughing because you have to because i'm the host um thank you so much zach you will be back thank you for doing the show thank you to the listener we skipped the news

today but I think this was one of my favorite episodes ever Zach you are a delight I'm so excited for you and Andrew to be friends I'm so excited for us to be friends again

and Zach who what song right now are you most proud of that people can go and check out and get a really good taste of who you are

and just be sold instantly I want to know I wish I had bad breath. It's about your girlfriend now who has great breath. She's got too good a breath. I can't believe it. She smells like a mint tree.

Oh my God. Honestly, Zach is so fucking good. And I haven't listened to your stuff for, I mean, I still over the years would play people your stuff she would i remember it like one of the first times we ever hung out she played your stuff yeah so what's the song yes thank you i'm i'm well let me say i'm definitely gonna um send you the pill bugs a link to the pill bugs thing once we get out great it's i it's not how i would write it today i listened to it when we became

friends again but you know whatever you'll take it with a grain It's not how I would write it today. I listened to it when we became friends again, but you know, whatever. You'll take it with a grain of salt. I was 10 years old. It was 10 years old. The first lyric is, I had this girl, and when she spent the night, and I listened to it,

and I was like, ooh. Not how I would phrase it. No, that's cool. I feel cool. I like that. I had this girl when she spent the night. Hello, yes. I was a girl that you had.

I feel cool. Yeah, I like that. Okay, what's the song we can look at now? Damn. Everything that I want to point people to is from the Crossword Show, my magnum opus and the thing that I'm doing nowadays. So I'll send you a link to that too. But it's a song of mine called Red Thread that's going to be part of an upcoming show. And it's like a wrapped retelling of the myth of Theseus, the mythical hero,

like escaping from the labyrinth by following a red thread out. It's dope. Red thread. And it's out now. People can find it. Spotify? YouTube, whatever. We'll follow up.

YouTube, Zach Sherwin, not MC Mr. Napkins anymore. No longer. Okay, Zach Sherwin. Z-A-C-H. Listen to Pillbugs. If you're listening to this podcast, you should just listen to Pillbugs.

It's going to be much easier to find. And go listen to B. I know that you're like over B probably, but's called aggressive b that's a good one it was talked about it is so fucking good it's so fucking good and it just is uh like it's uh yeah i love it i still i still love it and i'm excited to listen to your new work and to thank you i'm so glad to be here this was i i just am like, thank you. The best. It was literally the best. We're going to be in LA soon.

Let's all hang. We're going to be in. Let's all cuddle. We're doing it. We're doing it. Noah, I love you too. I love you.

Oh, so sweet. Noah's on the fence. Okay, guys, thank you so much for listening today to this different kind of episode, but we had so much fun and we love you guys. Thank you,

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