The Nikki Glaser Podcast - Bonus! The Tortured Poets Department Gushfest

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

Nikki invites her friend, comedian Nour Hadidi, to join her in reviewing the first part of Taylor Swift's "The Tortured Poets Department" album and discussing what it was like hearing it for the first time. Yes, this is a deep dive!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I will light up like a fucking mirror ball, bitches. I just become like shinier and just happier about the world. And she's always kind of like mystified at this. What does Taylor call it? We'll get into it. The drug that you take, the Fortnite drug that just snaps you out of things. And she's that for us. And today us is me and the one person in my life who's and I said this on my stories.

I just posted whose love for Taylor Swift rivals my own. And I invite it like I'm not someone who's like I'm the best 50 because I'm definitely not but she is so knowledgeable she loves her in the same way I do but also in a different way you'll see that like our favorites from the the um new album are kind of uh some are completely opposed to one another and I find that so fascinating um I got so much data this weekend from you guys sending me your top three and five favorite songs I said I said three just in case you didn't have time to listen to five and fall in love with five because I know how it is. But you all sent five.

No one sent three because everyone already had favorites and it's so fun. So anyway, who I am talking about is such a hilarious comedian. She is from Canada. I met her from... You can just come on and start talking before I say your name. Who did we meet through? Dave Ross. The through Dave Ross, the wonderful Dave Ross. Oh my God. Yes. The best. And you know, there's certain people in your life. If they just like recommend someone or they say this person's a good person, they

vouch for someone. You're just like, I trust them. Like I'll love this person. So he wrote me about you and then you opened for me where in Toronto. And it was incredible. Oh my God. That was, oh my God. Okay okay nor hadidi is who we're with nor hadidi um you gotta follow her on instagram all the things especially if you're swifty she is one of us she's such a diehard her and i are the most diehard swifty comedians without question without question um her name is n-o-u-r-h-a-d-i-d-i nor hadidi um so nor you actually just defended taylor swift in like a um debate right yes so it's like a special debate thing that shows a big deal in canada because i've done it before it was a lot of pressure in the audience it's kind of like a wait wait don't tell

me for canada for those americans listening okay yes i can't believe you did it now i'm jealous i didn't debate you because i think that would be so much fun oh my god i i would be intimidated to debate you i would like because i love you so much i like would want you to win you're so sweet you're like not that i would like throw not it's like not that's like nor you'd need me to throw it so but i would like i just wouldn't be i like going against people that i'm like you fucking idiot you know right yeah like people who you want to take down well Well, you're just like, I get it. You, cause you argued, what was the debate about? What was the topic?

Taylor Swift has the greatest fans in the world. And I said, yes. And so I debated. Yeah. And I struggle with, cause I don't know every fan base. It's hard to say the best. Right. But here's, this is what i said on on the debate i was like compared it to other fan bases and i'm like okay i live in canada and hockey is so huge

if a hockey game loses like people light cars on fire they're so aggressive yeah right they we can't find matt healy's car otherwise we would i don't know if he drives the thing is yeah you're right they they do people get really worked up about sports in a way that i find very similar as i talked about on the podcast um that football and taylor swift are very similar men's obsession and and how we kind of roll our eyes at that is the kind of way they roll our eyes at this emotional thing that is is very they're diametrically eyes at this emotional thing. That was, is very, they're diametrically opposed. Like one is,

one is obviously very emotional, but like mostly physical, even though there's so many emotions in football and actually they're very similar. But the way that I looked at football is probably the way that men looked at Taylor Swift. And I hope that we've both changed our minds because I'm like obsessed with football now, not obsessed,

but like could be obsessed. I see a war. I see a way in where i really admire um players and i've done a lot of research recently and i've been um watching a lot of documentaries about it and i just am like oh you know what yeah football fans are swifties the ones that dress up and everything and like their lives revolve around exactly the you know the browns are doing well and they're never doing well that's the funny thing about fan bases that where I go because I've wondered I go wait the Browns have never won a Super Bowl or like really even been close and they're yet there's diehard Browns fans I go like what is

I know like it's crazy I don't I guess that's a dumb question because you if there's always a chance that you could because other franchises have figured it out and that's the fun part of it but I think that's very sweet to root for such an underdog so die-heartedly oh my god so because i'm such a huge taylor swift fan like i now like watch jason kelsey's retirement speech like that's how deep i i'm in that is oh my god he's like a distant that speech is a distant cousin to you know the blank space video like they're on on the same. You know what I mean? They're just far from each other. They're very far removed, but they are a part of the Swift lore now.

Like everything about that family. I watched the Kelsey documentary. I loved it. Jason Kelsey, because guess what? Taylor and Travis get along. Travis has a good fucking family. Taylor has a good fucking family. She's nice and she

gets along with everyone. So she's like, obviously she's going to introduce us Swifties as fans to other people that we should be fans of because they're so awesome. And that family is awesome. And that's the thing. It's like in that retirement speech, he was like, it's no wonder that the best years of my career with my wife, Kylie, by my side. And I was like, oh, this is a family that respects women, right? Like, and his mom, he said in that speech that his mom was like the bread maker. Like she went to, she worked. The bread maker.

I like that you said bread maker instead of bread winner. Oh, bread winner. I'm sorry. She didn't work, but she was making bread all the time and stayed in the kitchen doing that as she's supposed to. But we changed the name of it to make it feel more, no, that's so funny that you said she's the bread maker it's not a

red winner but you meant like she earns but no yes yes i know what you're saying like the way they treat their mom the way they kiss her you know on the field after they win and the way and that family going through having two sons in the super bowl against each other i don't know if you've seen the Kelsey documentary, but that's what it follows. It's insane. It's so cool. It's so touching.

It's so sad because they're going to be, they're going to be so sad for one of their sons who they love equally. It's very, it was an amazing documentary anyway, but this is all connected, right? So we, so you debated the fan base.

Can I just say about the fan base? I have yet to meet a swifty i don't like i know i know like whenever i run into one they're always nice i will say i just wish they wanted to talk even like i want to jump in so deep right away and i found two girls on the same flight from buffalo to um laguardia i found two girls that were down to talk the way you and I talk about Taylor Swift, which I don't talk about Taylor Swift with anyone except, I mean, I have a couple people, but the way we talk, and these girls were ready

to get face-to-face and talk about it, because sometimes I see a Taylor Swift stuff, and I'm like, hey, wait a second, so what are you, the Toaster and Puddles department, it's coming out, and it's like a seven-year-old, and she's just like, mom, I'm scared, but I'm just like, I want to be like, who do you think that one's about? And people don't sometimes want to go that deep. And I miss them.

I love it. Like one time I was walking on the streets of New York and I had a T-shirt from her lover merch and a girl stopped me and we like started talking about her on the street. You know, that's why I wear her merch is I want to connect with other Swifties. And I'm proud to be a Taylor Swift fan. And I think she's beautiful. And I like having her face on my shirts, even though I will say there's a lot of complaints in the merch, in the subreddit Taylor Swift,

that the merch they're like, we don't want her face. And I'm like, that's all I want. That's all I love her name. I love the way it looks, but like, I love wearing her face,

but I love, that's why I wear stuff. It's those people will say something. Cause every time I see some merch, I always go Taylor Swift. I always go. I like wearing my like merch that nobody, unless you're a diehard Swifty, you don't know.

Like I have this sweatshirt with her cat on it. Remember that one? Yeah. The problem is I wear stuff that says Taylor Swift and people don't come up to me. No one, I swear to God, I, I know how many Swifties are out there, but I do not get, Hey, Swiftie a lot in public. That's why this weekend it was so rare to have two on a

plane. Usually I'm the one to start the conversation. So I would love to wear like, that's why I like the Tortured Poets Department earrings. I got the studs because those are a subtle nod. They are. They're so cute. I love that. For instance, I thought Taylor Swift might be at a comedy show that I was going to do

recently and the first person I texted was Noor. And I was like, girl, Taylor might be there. What do I do? Like, how do I plan this set? Like, what do I say that so that she perks up and like gets that we should be

friends? What should I need? I didn't even worry about that. And my biggest thing was like not worrying about the material. Cause I could pretty much do all of it. And I know she would, would dig it. But I think that I wanted to have something that she

would know i'm a swifty but it would not be acknowledging her at all like it wouldn't be calling her out at all i don't want to draw any attention to her and we had a lot of ideas you and i i thought um you liked my idea of doing the lovers or like the 10 albums on my fingernails yes i love that 13 on my hand the 13 might have been distracting a little over the top like i wanted to be so subtle i wanted to maybe drop a lyric like a very like a lyric that is maybe like a second verse lyric that not a lot of people would catch and then she would just go like even if she was like totally zoning out she'd be like what you know the way we all zip up as soon as went the opposite way i was like nik, Nikki, I'm ordering you the no,

it's Becky shirt from Tumblr. You're going to write lyrics on your arm. If I had to know his Becky shirt, I would wear it because that's, that is, that's good enough that it like, I would bet maybe one other girl in the room would know what that is. Yeah.

And you know, that's pretty like deep Swifty. There's some stuff. There's so many Swifty jokes and moments. And I learn a lot from my fellow Swifties that have come before me that educate me about stuff that happened in the past when Taylor used to get really while in on Tumblr. Yeah, I love that. She's so funny. She's incredible. Are you kidding me? And if you go back to some of her Tumblr posts, like the hashtags she uses are hilarious.

She's so smart, as we know because this album let's let's just dive right in not right in i'm acting like oh yeah we're getting right to it i could go on and on i think that you know we need to do this again and again i'm just like it would be fun to just go through every album and just like talk about stuff because i need to talk about era's tour in in depth because i've seen it 12 times now. Incredible. Have you been yet? Not yet. We're going to go in the summer. I told you with my family,

we're going to go to Vienna. That's what I'm trying to go to, Nora. I actually saved the date. I'm trying to bring my parents. You're going with your parents? Yeah. My parents are divorced. I'm going with my dad

and then my uncle's family. So his brother and then my cousins as well because my cousins graduated. We Cause my cousin's graduating. We don't, we'll, um, we haven't bought the tickets yet.

I should maybe. Yeah. But we're like, we've planned it, but I was actually going to have to tell you, nor we need to get you on the floor. I know. I like,

I'll loan you money. Like you can pay me back. And like a hundred years, I don't even care if you pay me back. Like you could just take it because you, I need you to'll loan you money. Like you could pay me back in like a hundred years. I don't even care if you pay me back. Like you could just take it because I need you to be on the floor. And not that if anyone's listening and hasn't been on the floor

or hasn't been to eras is somehow like had a lesser experience, but you did. I mean, there's better places. And if you're going to go, go. If you can't, I mean, getting in there is just good enough. And that's so good enough.

But if you have a choice, fight for those floor seats. So here's the thing, because I was actually going to text you for about ticket advice. So I'm so glad you said that. It's actually the tickets for floor are so much cheaper than the seated ones in Europe because there's because there's no seats. It's like first come first serve kind of thing. It's like, whoa, what I mean? It's like a mess you know i'm on my feet the whole fucking time though i don't you're right you know this this is a fun stat about me 12 era shows uh only went to the bathroom one time and it was because i was having a panic attack but the rest of the time only one one bathroom break and it was on my first show because i smoked a little weed before i went in and then i was thinking that a plane was gonna like i was like what if a plane crashes into this arena I was just like going to some dark places so I was like

I need to like get out of here so I went to go to the bathroom just to get a walk and then I came back and I was like don't ever do that don't ever smoke weed again when you're late to a Taylor Swift show that you're already mad about being late at and you don't feel cute enough and you're going alone and you're meeting up with a fan like it was a lot um and I didn't even it was just like I don't even know if it was the weed it was just the circumstance and i was but that's the only time i've ever gone anywhere during and then i leave early you're usually during karma i leave really because it's really fun to dance and walk and like strut like she is and i i i've been there for three and a half hours i i get it at this point and i i hate traffic i hate crowds i get nervous about it but it is really fun because you have so much room to like walk and be like and and sing like

karma is my boyfriend and it like feels like victorious and you're and i'm always in like a flowy dress i usually dress in like folklore or evermore like i like wearing a flowy like wood woodsy dress love and so then i get to like twirl and dance and like kind of florence in the machine my way out of there so So that's really fun. But my body just will not produce a need to pee the whole show. It just knows like we're not doing this. It knows. It's not like I'm holding it.

I'm just like totally. Yeah. But that would be just, I think, I think then you, then you definitely do floor and I think it'll be great. Yes. I mean,

yeah. I think Vienna people, people in Vienna are respectful and they'll mind each other's space that's why they can do it there right i hope so i know you said that you wanted to go to japan next time which i would love to do because the fans there are yes it's like the videos are magical except me because i'm an american that'd be so funny to be like finally it's just me singing the whole time. Like, that's my dream is like performing with Taylor Swift, just us singing at each other. You're like Taylor harmonize with me, girl. Let's do this.

Oh my God. I get so nervous. Like I've been front row and second row and third row and seventh row and 11th row. And when I'm up close, like when she comes near and she, you can see the hair on her arms, like that's how close I am to her. Stop. Which made me go, oh my God god i want hair on my arms so bad like on her upper arm she has like these glistening blonde hairs that are so beautiful and i was like god she's just like you know you just see how perfect she is and beautiful and cute and like you also are like not intimidated you're intimidated because she's her but you're also like she's my friend hi yeah

but when she i always get nervous uh singing i don't want her to like hear get distracted if i say that not that she would ever get distracted because she's a fucking pro but like i get nervous i'm gonna get the lyric wrong and she'll look at me and she'll not that she'll be disappointed me but she'll be singing with me because sometimes when you're singing with people and they do the wrong lyric you like follow their mouth but um i doubt she has that problem because she's, you know, she can do it with a broken heart. She can do it.

Oh my God, that song is incredible. Actually, you know what? It's time to take a break. So let's just do that. And then we'll come back and hopefully pick back up where we started. But we're all over the place.

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Dude I saw it coming I think I told Noor or at least I told Noor that I told Someone that she was going to announce at the Grammys A new album I said it on the red carpet of this Event and I'm trying to find footage of it so I can show You that I predicted it I go People are thinking we're getting reputation announcement tonight And we're getting a new album she announced it

And I was like yes and I was so excited And then it turns into a double album at 2 a.m. And of course it did. I just want to say thank you to all the detective Swifties. Like, I feel like there's different groups of us and the detective Swifties I love so much because they were like two desks, two cups. It's going to be a double album,

like things I wouldn't notice. I noticed the twos, but there's some people who just like pause the video, look at the Polaroids, two cups it's going to be a double album like things i wouldn't notice i noticed the twos but there's some people who just like pause the video look at the polaroids analyze them who's in it like those those are the front liners to have those swifties in our mix because absolutely we like i i can do my research and watch those clips and learn about stuff and then find my own kind of things which i have something um to reveal on this episode that i like i made i found a huge thing that i think that no one else has pointed out i did point it out on tiktok i wrote it in the comments of a video that i think

you sent me but i was like i've got another clue and so i hope maybe people have picked it up by now but i'll reveal that later when we get to it okay but. But I do appreciate everyone showing me what to look for. And also, the two things I wouldn't have noticed on my own. Someone had to point that out, but then I started seeing it more. But yeah, there's so many layers to this. Before Torture Poets came out, let's say, was this what you expected it to be?

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. What were you expecting? I was expecting something more along the lines of Midnight's where it was a lot more poppy. We had those dance numbers. We had the somber songs, but I just wasn't expecting it to be this lyrical. Oh, it is dense. This is James Joyce era for Taylor. I don't even know what his writing is like

because people have scared me of it so much because it's so dense i remember someone in college being like it's the worst class not the worst like it's just i'm saying that obviously he's a genius and that's it was too intimidating for me and that's what some of this is like i mean i'll get to the lyrics that are challenging to me that word rivulets I have to look it up when listening that was the one where I go okay I've got pretty much all of these other words rivulet I go she got me she got me um and then you it's revealed how stupid not stupid I say stupid with love because I'm stupid because I don't know rivulet. So stupid in that way. Things you don't know. I'm very shocked to find out how many people don't know, like, soliloquy.

Where I'm just like, yeah, soliloquy. That's okay. We're all at different places in our lives. And I didn't know what rivulet was. And I'm sure there's be someone that would be like, oh, you don't know what a rivulet. And I still don't because I didn't look it up. I just marked it too. So you'll have to reveal that when we get to it um i think the imaging that first came out for torture poets i was like i said i thought it was gonna be um i didn't know what to i guess i had zero expectations

because i always get clowned you know like i don't you know what my expectations were was that it's gonna be my favorite album because it always is. And that, you know what else I expected? I would struggle with it at first, not struggle, but just be like, like, it's a lot of like work memorizing this and I'm not attached to these songs yet. I can feel it coming. And then it's like the beginning of a relationship, you know, where you're like, I want to get out there and date. I'm so excited to like meet someone and like find that person, but I have to like meet them and have an awkward phase of like getting to know it and then oh my god you get you start to fall in love and then right now i think is the sweet spots for most diehard swifties uh three days four days out of

the album you have you are now listening to certain songs on repeat you are memorizing lyrics they're coming naturally you don't have to work for it um this is like the this is the limerence stage which i've talked about a lot on the podcast this is the that buzzy i'm in love drug feeling of of the of the torture poets of a new album release so 31 songs though i was like are you fucking kidding i cannot believe we i'm so grateful i was intimidated by it but i read something on reddit of someone complaining about that's too many songs and uh the girl some i assume she was a girl that's like i guess sexist to me but they said so just don't listen to the ones you don't like like right it's not like you it's not a movie where you have to watch through a scene and fast forward just like

pick the ones you like and like don't you think there's maybe something here for everyone and who cares? Like, do you like her to keep songs vaulted for, do you want to keep vaulted forever? I want to hear everything. I want to hear her voice numbers. I want to hear, uh,

her grocery lists. I want to hear anything she writes. So put it all out. Absolutely. Even when she posted that fortnight's video, I watched it like a hundred times. Like, I just want to know everything she does.

I love her so much. Yes real the real for a fortnight oh my god and then him kissing her um i saw my cell phone case which i bought because there was a i found out about her cell phone case ages ago and this is before eras tour that she had this cell phone case she still has it and so do i it was maybe before it was i think it was before eras started i got this case and um and i saw it in the thing i'm like oh my god she still has it too because when i was at eras i was filming her obviously with my phone and i was like oh my god i wonder if because you know when you see your own phone case you're like like i was like oh my god maybe she sees it because when i was in the front row um but then she also was wearing a ku shirt and that and i went to ku she was was in the plate where she's doing that.

You went to KU? Yeah. So she's wearing a KU shirt. So that was major for KU fans. And yes. So, and then Travis kissing her and then her just having so much fun and living so much life.

And usually I'm very threatened by women who are like, have so many hobbies and are crafty and can bake and just look like that. They a full life and i'm like why can't i be like that i don't feel that way with her i'm just like yes you're superhuman because she's my friend because she's my best friend and i want everything good and right for her for my best friends i'm so i can be jealous and not that i don't i'm kidding i want that for my best friends i can get jealous of my best friends though but taylor i'm just like i because I compare myself, but I don't really compare myself to her. I think people think I do. And sometimes maybe I can because I'm just like, you know, it just frustrates me that I won't ever be as good as her, you know,

like in the ways that I wish I was good. You know, I'm good in different ways. But overall, I just I'm so grateful that I like don't't feel if I was a musician I think I would maybe have a hard time listening to her because she's so like the way we feel about the way I feel about John Mulaney sometimes I'm like I don't really feel like watching him because he's so good that it's like it makes me go what am I even doing yeah I know exactly what you mean I have to stop watching comedy even sometimes live I'm just like I'm here to do my set. I'm doing the best I can. I worked all day on my jokes, you know, and whether then that's the thing with stand up because we have to follow each other. So it's the comparison is right there and it's immediate. So I just leave. I'm like, I hope everyone's doing well. That's a really good idea. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really... I leave right away too. Not for that, but sometimes when I do...

If I have a set that is not great, I will leave because I don't want to hear the next person get them in a way I can't. That's exactly what happened last night. I got heckled like five times and then the host did fine. Two comics after me did great. No! Different people in the audience. It was wild. It was the host did fine. The two comics after me did great. No! Different people

in the audience. It was wild. It was the wildest experience. Are you performing in oil country in Ontario? Well, it's at a theater so I thought a theater would be nice. That's the thing. I had never been to it was in Windsor, Ontario and it's close

to Detroit and there's this grittiness. It's like a blue collar city. And I don't, it's my first time. Maybe they don't see a lot of comedy, so they don't know not to, or they were just really drunk. And I'm not saying that rednecks get really drunk, but they do. Yeah. No, it was both. There was a woman who was for sure drunk because I have a joke about how I'm on medication.

And she's like, you're medicated. Sing it. And I was like, what does that mean? Sing it. God, I hate when they're unintelligible. Yeah. You know, where you're just like, that didn't make sense. I can't even do anything with that.

What does that mean? Like, it's so distracting. Yeah. And you know what? But you can do it with a broken heart. I did. I did. You know, you just like because your heart will be that song.

I love because your heart can be breaking in so many different ways. Anya was like, I played that song for Anya and Matt and my friend Ari this weekend. And I like saying it hard on the way home from doing, you know, I did three shows this weekend. It was like first in Waukegan, Illinois. Then I flew to the next night I was in Niagara Falls, New York. And the next night I was in flew to Long Island and it was just like, boom, boom, boom. And I was kind of like, oh, tired. And I was doing it with a broken heart. And then I and then we were listening that song on the way to home from the third show late at night. I have like a 5 a.m. flight. I'm like, oh, my God. And then I'm like, I sang the song. And then Anya afterwards was like, do you relate to the song? And I was like, are you kidding me? And she was like, but you're not like your heart's not you're

not like going through heartbreak. I'm like, no, but she's just talking about like anyone that has to get through anything when your heart is broken. Like my heart can be broken through heartbreak. I'm like, no, but she's just talking about like anyone that has to get through anything when your heart is broken. Like my heart can be broken for the fact that I'm not getting a lot of sleep right now or I'm overbooked. I feel lonely. I feel depressed. That's the thing with performing.

Like I used to have a day job and then comedy was my outlet. But when your art form becomes your job, it doesn't matter what's going on behind the scenes. You could be crying. You could be having a bad day. You could be groggy, but it doesn't matter because people paid and you're there to put on a show. And that's what that song is about. Yes, but you're also there to be authentic, I think, at least for... That's why I would like to be a pop star sometimes because I could just become this shiny performer that just hits her mark. But with comedy, for for me at least where i'm at

it's like i have to be fluid and i want to talk from a place of like authenticity and and it's kind of in the moment and especially when i'm depressed i can't i guess that's true like i could turn on a switch and just do the jokes the way that i wrote them and figure out how to find that style but my brain doesn't work sometimes i can't do it with a broken heart and sometimes my broken heart just spills out on the stage and then i get too honest about like life sucks right now um but i do avoid that more often it just doesn't work because people can sense the sadness and they don't really want to you kind of like if you want to like put some sadness into your stuff i think it has to be a little bit performative because real sadness people are like

oh no worried yeah um i hate it when they all after a joke i'm like no you're not supposed to all oh dear god well this this is interesting because we're talking about the our relationship with the audience in the crowd and what we expect from them and what they sometimes disappoint us uh in ways they disappoint us and taylor for the first time ever um really addressed her fans in this album. And can I, she kind of came at us and I fucking love it. I'm here for it.

And it's not because I'm like, I'm not a Hannah or a Sarah. What is it? Sarah's and Hannah's. Yeah. Santa's and Hannah's and their Sunday best. Yeah. I'm not that like,

I think a lot of Swifties are telling themselves, no, I'm not that. And there are a lot of parts of me that are not that, but I have mouthed off about her. I've literally been on, on, you know,

file doing it on Miss Americana, the documentary. I am mouthing off. I'm being a Hannah live on whatever Buzzfeed show. So I've been that in the past and I try not to do that. And that's why I wanted to do this podcast and just do it all positive. Like, because that's all I really want to be anyway.

I don't want to be critical. We get more album drops than any other fan base. Yes. But those nights that it happened are so special. Where were you? Were you first listened? So I really hate to say this and I want to, Oh shit.

I didn't mean to set you up for this, but you are that. I made a tick talk about you. You did? Yeah. I think it got posted. posted i haven't checked it but it was like me uh struggling to say no to you when you said you had a link for a leak yeah um but i did say no i turned it down and and really it wouldn't have changed anything in her life but i just i wanted to experience it the way everyone was was doing it but i was tempted to do it because i wasn't going to be able to listen as soon as it came out because i was going to be on stage so i was like oh i deserve to listen to it early but um i didn't um where were you when you first started listening like what's your setting

um in my pajamas in my bed uh packing for this tour i get a message from a comic. He's like, hey, I know you're like by the book, but I have a leak if you're interested. And I said, yes, send it to me. Put it in my veins. So he sent it to me. And I literally, I had to stop packing. And I just sat there with my iPad listening. And then because it's not like Spotify

where it goes to each song, I have to manually go in and listen. And it's so frustrating because you don't have the lyrics. So I'm trying to figure out what the lyrics say. Neither did we. I mean, neither did anyone at first. I guess some of them started leaking because of the leak,

the lyrics beforehand, but they were, it's hard to, they took, they were on Spotify and then they took them off. Did you notice that? No. I mean, at least for me, I cannot find find the lyrics they were on it for a day i think it was on saturday they were on it i was on a treadmill i was learning but daddy i love him and then the

next day i tried to pull up the lyrics and they were gone some of them were wrong so i would hope that they would be gone to become right because some of them i was like that's not what she's saying right there um but yeah it's hard to listen without lyrics. So yeah, you kind of set the tone for yourself. Did you listen to the whole, was all 31 leaked early? No, only the first, only the album itself. Yeah, the first. So I had no idea there was going to be 31 songs. Sneaky, sneaky.

Good for her protecting that second half. Yeah. So yeah, you woke up to, I mean, I had texted you. I'm sure you got many texts but saying like it's a double album and then you texted me in that morning and we're like oh my god i'm getting into it now yes and i was trying so hard because i wanted you to enjoy the album for yourself so i was trying not to give you any information but i was dying for you to listen oh no you gave me some and it was it felt really good i forgot what you told me specifically but i was

like you will you ask me if there were any bops and i said like there's one but mostly not bombs bops yeah yeah bops yes no no i thought you said bombs and i was like did i ask that um no no no yeah and and you you told me i forget what you told me but i'm guessing my boy only breaks his favorite toys no the bop was i can do it with a broken heart because that's the more that is the i mean yeah that's the boppiest one for sure you're right you're right yeah um i will argue that some of these are bops when they don't sound like it like there's um i was just talking to a swifty this weekend and we both agreed that is it over now is a bop that doesn't sound like it because it starts so slow you know it's like when the flight has flown it's just really soft and then it's like let's fast forward and then it just like kicks in it's like it's it's somewhere in between a boat but it becomes like

this i don't know i need a description for how i feel in my soul with some of these songs how uplifting and like they like scoop me up like i feel like i'm flying sometimes and these vault tracks have been incredibly life-changing like dude we'll do a podcast about the vault like okay like 1989 vault tracks what a fucking gift what if and if you know and that's that's as much music as people get from their bands if they're it's generous you know it's like a you know she's given us like these vault tracks she's given us like 15 new 15 to 20 new tracks a year yeah oh wow and they've been such bangers they've been incredible some of my favorite vault tracks were from the red album i will say i was like how did you not what are we talking when you say that because i'm i'm i'm having trouble recalling

the red vault tracks but um oh oh my god i bet you think about me get the fuck out yes exactly i bet you think about that song new yes well nothing new i mean and she you know definitely does like a little reprise of nothing new in this there's like echoes of nothing new in this album i would love to talk to you about echoes of past songs in this album. Yes. Yes. That will come up. Okay. Oh, the 10 minute version. I mean, obviously I don't even think of that as a vault track because it's so just now what the song is like. I love the first time. It's such a beautiful song. I know it's very like uppity and like the very first night. Yeah. Oh, the very first night. night yes i don't think i know that one

i don't think i'm like locked in with that one oh i love it i know it's one of my faves from the vault okay i know the very first night please i just started playing and i was like there's no way i don't know the song i know it very well um that's a new that's a vault track yes that just came out because i feel like i've known the song forever no it's a vault track yes that just came out because i feel like i've known that song forever no it's a vault track her version of babe is a vault track yeah i mean that i've i've loved both versions so much i and uh and also better man that was so exciting to get um i really like run i don't think a lot of people are crazy about that but i mean message in a bottle i like it message no one had heard message in a bottle before.

That's not. That seems crazy to me. No, no, we haven't. We had never heard it. And I'll tell you better, man.

I am so obsessed with that song. There's a YouTube video of her singing it acoustically at the cafe. Have you seen that? Do you know what I'm talking about? I have a memory. I have it memorized. I even have the old man who's playing next to her. His emotions memorized where he goes like,

sometimes I haven't downloaded. I even have the old man who's playing next to her, his motions memorized where he goes like, sometimes. I haven't downloaded. I downloaded. It's amazing. It's one of the best. Yes, it's incredible. We should do a whole podcast about her, our favorite live performances of hers

that we watch on YouTube. Yes. You know, like that would be fun. Another one I love. That's a great one. The red one. The red one on the boat. Oh, in the living room with all the people who are

hearing her lyrics for the first time and they're laughing and stuff? Where she's on the boat in Paris. I don't know that one. Do you know what I'm talking about? No. On Les Cien. Oh, babe. Oh, okay. Great. I saw her live performance. I saw her do the 1989

rooftop performance. I don't know if you've ever seen that she does welcome to new york on the rooftop i was there i could see my little ponytail because chris my boyfriend produced it and so and we were kind of broken up but it was like we were thinking about getting back together and he was like hey i'm doing this project i think you might be interested and i'm like oh my god i jumped out of bed i was so depressed i jumped out of bed and i just like got in a cab and went right there i didn't even look cute and i was she saw me i was i'd met her on the red tour beforehand but she's right there i always forget about this interaction with her but she was about to start

where she like walking through the village thunder is a glow you know she's doing like and she walks and then she gets on stage but she walks through the crowd she was about to start walking and they took off her jacket and it was freezing i mean this was oh my god i think winter and like it wasn't it was maybe it was it wasn't like that hot or whatever and then i looked at her and she was kind of like and um i go uh i go it's cold i like mouthed that to her and she goes it is yeah so i carried that with me i don't remember who said what but i definitely i don't think she was the first to initiate it i just remember our interaction was it's cold it is and i'm like yes um okay so let's start with um the first single um off the tortured poets department the anthology we're gonna hope to get we're just gonna do let's just do the first songs we're gonna do the first 16 songs the first release okay the lake um and uh the first song

uh fortnight featuring post malone um this i love this for a single it is when it first came out i was like oh it's a little bit slower than i'd like a single to be but i trust her with her singles i am a huge fan of me i'm so glad that that was her single. I embraced it. It got me ready for lover. I loved it so much. I still love that song. I, um,

I'm just obsessed. I'm only just sad that she took out spelling is fun because I thought that was hilarious. Um, which we have another spelling for is fun lyric to discuss that people are like, she, why did she say that?

That's so weird. And they don't get that. She's making, she's in on the joke idiots. Okay. We'll get to that later. But Fortnite, um um i love this and it has grown on me substantially it is probably in my top five um wow really yeah at this point it's just so it's such a smooth slick song and it makes it's starting to make me like drum up feelings in me that i don't even

understand i don't even know what it's about you know, like, I haven't dug into the lyrics. Have you dug into it at all? Yes. I mean, I whenever she collaborates with someone, I like to go into it more just because I'd like to see like, I'd like to know what she was thinking, why she asked that specific person to collaborate with her on the song. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And because he's one of only two for this album. So I was like, I want to like know more. And I have to be honest, it's a slow burn for me. Yeah, no, that's okay. There's going to be those for this, especially this album.

We all know as Swifties that like some songs don't resonate with us deeply until we're like ready for them to sink in, but that they are all capable of getting us in like a wild way when we least expect it. Yes. This one is going to get me, I think I'm just starting my love affair with it. Like in terms of like, it's the one I go to,

to repeat. I, I was a functioning alcoholic till nobody noticed my new aesthetic. I mean her saying that if she's, you know, she's kind of playing a character in the song she's talking about like my neighbor and your wife like taylor swift doesn't have neighbors you know there's there's things there's imagery in this that is not her life that i think is like kind of a folklore character thing because right it's like

yes um it gets to i haven't really gotten into this all my mornings are monday stuck in an endless february i took the miracle move on drug the effects were temporary I mean I guess this is she's talking about her relationship that she jumped into out of her other relationship um I love you it's ruining my life me yeah it kind of reminds me of evermore where she was like stuck in November or like I don't know I just love how when she uses specific months to conjure up imagery because there's things we associate with everybody like it's so cold it's very depressing and so she's just stuck in that on a monday because of the sky whoa hold on i'm sorry i'm reading these lyrics and i'm starting to understand

that i'm totally missing the mark on this are people not thinking that this is where it gets dicey nor i don't want to be a hannah and sarah and discuss who the songs are about so i'm not going to use names i'm just going to talk in as try to be poetic about talking about poetry as i can but okay so the lyrics are you know uh this is so this is someone that um she's taking a pill she's taking a drug to get over to get over the symptoms of something else is what i'm taking this as and this drug is going to be temporary the effects of the drug are temporary um and fortnight is two weeks so in a fortnight so for two weeks it was like we were forever we were going to last run into you sometimes ask about the weather now you're in my backyard turned into good neighbors

now you're like kind of hanging in my scene um uh you're like friends with my friends that's we're neighbors your wife waters flowers i want to kill her now who knows what that is because i maybe that person moved on and she's already seeing it and uh like is she talking about what we're who we think we're she's talking about and then she says my husband is cheating i want to kill him um is that are people making much of that line and what she might be saying with that i mean i didn't even notice it until you pointed it out to be honest so if she if she is the character and let that let's let's just say that sometimes she does that and these she speaks in metaphors there's some this is this could be about her life and she's just saying good neighbors as

like you would say that people you know she's just but that is um that stands out to me because i think that's the what that i think that's the album we thought we were getting with this which is like i kept saying it's going to be answers to what happened in that relationship which is none of my goddamn business i want to repeat over and over none of this is my business and it's it's just fun dissect. It's interesting because it's someone's personal life. I tend to share a lot of my personal life with the public. And as someone who puts themselves open to that, I appreciate when someone else does.

And I like to reward it by being nosy and speculating and gossiping. But if I may say something about that, like as fans, we're so invested in her music and so much of reputation and lover was about this so for us it's like yes it's her personal life but it's manifested itself in it in her art and we would just like to know what happened you know from beginning to end and and when you consume art even if it's a TV show or like a movie, there's a lot that's left off the table that you don't see that ends up in the final art piece. And but it's appropriate to discuss what could have happened behind that closed door about that movie. You know, like they purposely leave out details and movies and things.

And you can speculate like what you know, what did logan roy did he underline his name or cross it out we'll never know um but something happened and we could know because the narrator of succession made it up and he could tell us what that was but he purposely left it out for us to speculate and to talk about it and discuss it so in a similar way i'm justifying um discussing who these are about and what it could be and honestly honestly, I'm trying to apply it to my own life. It helps me if I'm like, oh, she's talking about this fling she had to get over someone else. Okay, great.

I know who that is in her life. I know who that person in her life kind of represents in my life. This is going to help me feel it in a different way. So I'm justifying being a little bit of a Sarah and Hannah right now. I literally had a dream about my Maddie Healy the night before the album came out and it's only now making sense to me that like oh this album is about

not about Joe it's about Maddie and I just feel like just because something is fleeting or with the first six weeks doesn't mean it doesn't have a profound impact like yes I dated a guy for six weeks three years ago, but sometimes I still dream of him because it's like, you don't know how people will affect you. Yeah. I can't believe anyone would ever begrudge her writing a entire 31 album song.

If she wanted to about someone she had a weekend with, because this is Ms. Taylor Swift. Do not forget that she is able to distill her emotions and and not to still is the word she's able. Her emotions are so complex that there's so many different things going on and she's able to dissect her emotions in a way that we can't. So the feel the feeling roller coaster you go through a falling in love with someone for a weekend or even having a tryst like could elicit 31 songs. So the and we got don't forget, we got all too well out of her thing with jake which people say is like that's she's been like bitching up she's been crying about this for

so long so what i i yeah personally i have some of the most intense love love affair moments were the shortest in my life and they burned so bright and they are i would say it's a thing that i think about more um i think about those relationships when i listen to taylor swift more than i do my good relationships that were long longer and that's why i think we didn't get the album we we all thought we were going to get in this because how did it end she doesn't even know she hasn't processed that yet and you know what the the songs about the person that may have come after, right after, as a response to it, are still about the main person because it was a drug she took because of the main person. So we are getting an album about Joe. It's the aftermath. She's talking about the booze she consumed to help heal the confusion and the disappointment of the Joe thing ending. So it is an album about him.

Or, you know, whatever. It's an album about so many things. But Fortnite, I think, is kicking off the overall theme that we return to again and again, which is this person, this thing that she turned to, to heal a broken heart. And we are also setting up She Is Brokenhearted. which is this person, this, this thing that she turned to, to heal a broken heart. And we are also setting up. She is brokenhearted. And I like that. It's like, I only touched you for a fortnight.

She's just telling us like, I only touched you for this amount of time. Fortnight is an English word. So it's very like, yeah. Explanate explaining. Yeah. What happened?

She also foreshadows her viciousness in this album. We're leaning into the part of her that's like i want to kill her i want to kill him that um we're oh we're she's you know taylor swift she's killed herself before oh she's dead i mean and vigilante shit you start to get like she foreshadowed this but she's she's in that vigilante shit mode um and it's good it's it's really fun and it's unexpected it's like when she first started cussing like there's a side of her that's emerged that we're like oh bad girl naughty girl um okay let's go to tortured poets department this was a slow burn for me but it is burning good it's burning real good today is peak tortured

poets department i think i avoided it because it was the title track i don't know why i do i would do that but i would say the first five songs of any album she releases are usually the ones i repeat the most because i'm like i just want to go back and so they get the most listens and that was the one of the first five that i wasn't listening to on like fortnight and torture poets were the ones that i was the the following three i really couldn't stop doing but um today i got back into tppd and uh ttpd and it's it's so good and it's also about the fling right yes i loved it i was like at first i was like why wouldn't you tell someone you're dating that their typewriter is like weird but then i would put myself in her shoes and i was like yeah if you're dating someone you don't want to say anything that might hurt their feelings or like damage oh yeah essentially the

smallest man who ever lived oh my god you have to tiptoe around people's feelings like that oh my god no but that's a really interesting note to point out nor that she like your first instinct was like why wouldn't you just say that i i think some things i never say and and by the way she only gives us one of the things she thinks many things i think i think some things not many some things i never say like who uses typewriters anyway she's just giving us an example of all the things she's thinking that she doesn't say yeah she can't really be herself with this person and she just got so personal. She's like,

she named her friends, Lucy and Jack, right? Lucy is like one of the girls from boy genius. And like, it also is just showing how like this guy is a fling. He came out of the blue, but he is so entrenched in her friend group.

Like they all know him. And for, if a guy told your friend that he would kill yourself, himself, if you left, like that is, I'm sorry. I'm sorry if that's unhealthy, but it's like just the most reassuring thing ever in a relationship. Like, I'm sorry. Yeah, you, I mean, you got, you, you relate to this.

I don't, I don't relate to that. I do know that this... Maybe I do. I mean, yes. You know what I relate to is feeling some way about someone and then finding out they feel the same way back. She says she feels it too. She said it too. She felt seen.

And getting that validation that this crazy thing you're thinking isn't crazy. And she gets kind of crazy for him. I mean, she is... We get to it, but she's imagining him writing mine on her upper thigh give me give me like like i can't even handle it it's so she is she's in the psych ward but it's a good it's a good place to be like she is she qualifies as someone who's like and i'm saying this as someone who has these kinds of thoughts do really dark thoughts really sexually deviant and that's not that sexually deviant but like writing mine like owning someone's leg is kind of a hot like

almost and the upper thigh is a very like sexual area the upper thigh is a very like intimate area yeah right yeah and the way she says upper thought like okay we'll get to that later okay so um who's gonna hold you like me and who's gonna know you if not me um and then she laughed at his face when he said she said you're not dylan thomas i'm not patty smith this ain't the chelsea hotel we're modern idiots um yeah i love that you smoked the nate seven bars of chocolate we declared charlie poos should be a bigger artist i scratched your head you fall asleep like a tattooed golden retriever but you awaken with dread pounding nails in your head but i've read this one you where you comeone. I chose the cyclone with you.

Okay. So she's already read this one. She knows what she signed up for. Like she's known him for 10 years. There's history here. Yeah. There's history here. Um,

and then, uh, I love the way she says no fucking buddy. Woof. That's a good drop of fucking. Yeah. Um, yeah,

this one's really good and fun and it's really grown on me and I love it. And it's our, we're for, by my count, we're two out of two on songs about the person we didn't think we'd get an album written about. And now we're going to go three for three because here comes my boy only breaks his favorite toys,

which is my second favorite song on the album right now. Really? It is. Oh my God favorite song on the album right now really it is oh my god i'm what's your first right now is your first in my face thinking about the song what no wait you're for okay no we still didn't get to the your favorite one yet my favorite i think people know but i'm gonna save it for when we get to it okay my boy only breaks his favorite toys was an instant one for me where i heard it and i was like i loved the oh oh my that oh i loved that i was like oh that's gonna be fun to sing i think i declared on instagram live that i watched with a bunch of swifties that it would be i would be doing this one at karaoke and you know i will

um this one is great i love it so much the the word rivulets do we have a definition for that did you look it up yes you said you did rivulets descend my plastic smile i'm guessing it's like a small stream of water a very small stream yeah she's crying the doll's crying so she already said we found out on her serious xm thing that she wrote the song about um uh when someone like being a a toy story type toy that gets like beaten up and then it kind of is in denial of why it's being beaten up and it kind of tells itself it's because I'm its favorite is that what you got from that yes I basically got that like I would I'm his favorite like I you should have seen it you should have seen him when he first got me like i'm number one there's no question she is yeah and because i'm his favorite because we could have played for

keeps this time because i got because there was i knew too much we all know a guy in our life where he breaks up because things get real right because he can see the future because they say to yes yes i've always joked that i just like you know i um i i used to joke that when i get rejected i'd always say the guy was scared you know because i used to say that you know like he was scared he like truly loved me he couldn't handle it and i'm like he loved me so much he like he's scared he had to run you know he he ran so far he's engaged to someone else now he's so scared of commitment you're just like you know it's it's but i here's the thing i trust taylor and i know i know she's so confident that this person like loved her and i have been i've been this where i'm like you fucking idiot go have fun the rest of your life always knowing i'm the one that got

away always knowing i knew you better than anyone else. You'll always know that you could have had me and you weren't man enough to fucking deal like to have me. And you could have and you will always regret it. You will always feel like you didn't really succeed as much as you could in life because you were scared. Like I've told myself that I staunchly believe that about some people in my life. I'm glad it didn't work out because it would have been a nightmare. It would have ended. But like, I love that they will always feel at least I will think they always feel that way. So and there's times where the guy like knows you're incredible, but he doesn't want to date someone incredible. He wants to date someone where he's the star. He's the incredible person, right? Like, yeah, someone who feels safe or like is not

going to leave him. So I trust her though. I think this guy was absolutely obsessed with her and I think she was, and I think she was absolutely obsessed with him and I, and, and, you know, you can move on in life, but like,

I don't, I don't think it takes anything away from her current relationship to say that she like had some really unique, hot, loving feelings for this person of course he saw forever so he smashed it up like that's it let me just say that people are like someone i had heard was like i hope travis has a thick skin like the way she talks about some you know these guys like can he handle it travis is fine okay she took care of travis in this album we will get to it but

travis is a confident secure man that's why she's finally that's why she's with him like he he's won three superbowls he is a star he is six foot four he is dating the most he just won a superbowl he's dating a princess um he he's not going to get insecure about this and that's why he got her is because he's not insecure because these things are over they're in the past so she can write all day long about these guys and i bet you travis isn't going to give a fuck and he's going to bop out to them just like we are that would be my guess because he's secure in his relationship which he should be because taylor doesn't fuck around and we know how she feels about him too and we'll get to that okay next up down bad okay we're going four for four if you ask me here's four out of four so far about i think the person

we didn't think this would be about this is what she says about getting abducted by aliens did you really beat me up um just to do experiments on, Oh my God. Am I thinking about anal when she said that a little bit? Is that mostly on me? Yep. Yeah, it is.

Okay. Tell me I was the chosen one showed me that this world is bigger than us. Then sent me back where I came from. I love this song. I love the verse. I love the chorus. Um, I love that we go from space to crying at the gym.

And I love that we got a little gym snapshot of her in that reel where she looks so fucking good. I screenshotted her doing that, like back, like her glute workout. And I was like, look at this. Oh my God.

She is. She's perfect. She has a perfect body. I even send it to Kirsten, my best friend, who's a Pilates instructor. And she was like, she has a perfect body. And I was like, yes, she does. Thank you. That's my girl. Anya was with me when that reel came out. And I was like, look at her body. And I noticed I shouldn't even. It could be Taylor Swift's body is perfect at any size, at any shape. But I really was like, I'm so she just looks so good and anya's just like okay crazy um but she's very sweet and supportive of my swiftiness even though she definitely is like

calm down girl um but i like this song what about you it's again this one was a slow burn for me i like it a lot more now um i think for me when i can get wrap my head around the melody of a song and because this album has, every song has like kind of similar rhythms as opposed to other albums where each song is very different. It just took me a while, but yes, I love this song.

I thought this song stood out for me as way sounding different than the rest of the album. But that, you know, that I think is really subjective because some people are like, it all sounds the same. My argument to that. And I'm not saying you're saying saying that but when people say that i'm like yeah she's it's all written by the same person so yeah like and that's and if they don't sound the same dare if she ever makes an album where

everything sounds different they say it's not cohesive it's like her whole thing about like if you have an ass you won't you if you want to be thin you won't have an ass if you want an ass you're not you're gonna have a tummy you can't fucking win so she makes an album that sounds totally different has a lot of different sonic sounds which i think is redundant um then people criticize her for being like she's all over the place it's not a cohesive album and now this all sounds kind of the same now you're complaining like yeah it should sound the same she's going through something and it doesn't and it doesn't sound the same like i feel like for me every album all the songs kind of blend into each other and then they start to have personalities and you're like oh my god it's like when puppies are born they all kind of are like slow and like and they

like if you're picking out a puppy from a litter you'd be like i don't know which one it's kind of a gamble who knows what these are going to turn into for me you know in terms of uh their personality and then that starts to emerge slowly so that's how i feel about that um right okay i also just like the visual of her crying at the gym it's just so relatable yeah so relatable and you know she's working out alone because she can't go to a public gym i mean not alone but she's with her friends so it's like because i can't cry at the gym at most gyms because i'm going to well no because i'm in hotel gym. I mean, not alone, but she's with her friends. So it's like, because I can't cry at the gym, at most gyms, because I'm going to, well, no, because I'm in hotel gyms. So I'm kind of alone a lot too. Okay. I should relate to that more, but I don't often cry at the gym. I cry at Pilates and my instructor has to like, you know, pretend like she's not

seeing it, even though my eyes are watering up. But yeah, that's very, very relatable. I want to say the lyric, I'm down bad, waking up in blood. It reminds me of like when you start your period in the middle of the night. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, and also there's,

it kind of makes me think of anal too. Okay. Let's keep going. So, um, so long London is next and we have our, um, first departure from the other person that beamed her up and dropped her

back down. And she kind of wants to go back. Oh yeah. That's what that song was about. You get picked up, you get you, you do, they do experiments on you and they kind of make you their own and you kind of like it cause you're not, that's what that song was about. You get picked up. You get you. Do they do experiments on you?

And they kind of make you their own. And you kind of like it because you're not in your life and you're abducted. And then they put you back and you're just like, where did you go? And you're kind of feeling empty and sad. So Long London. We all were really excited about this one because we were like, okay, well, we're definitely getting some answers to what happened or like some insight on that. Did this pull through for you? Like, what do you get out of the song? Okay. to what happened or like some insight on that uh did this did this pull through for you like what do you get out of the song okay so this song i absolutely loved and um it's so lyrically dense

it was the first time where it was in the album it was like quick quick quick quick quick like what did she say what did she say what did she say um i think that right i think i texted you this renegade is about joe which we didn't know at the time about this person and they're because she's like i'd carry you up my street and make me make me your future history and renegade and then here she says my spine split from carrying us up the hill so i just felt like that was an extension of renegade make me a future history it's time oh my god that's really good i forgot that that's really a good connection yeah and just the imagery of her because i didn't know who i thought renegade was about i knew who i thought it was about in my own life literally every man i've ever dealt with but um it it really is one of those songs that

can encompass a lot of different um levels of rejection in a relationship or like disappointment but um after she put out a long story short on evermore i was like oh she's in a secure relationship it's rock solid this could not be about him but now that after and it's just i think that all the answers are here like yeah maybe it's not as juicy yeah but it's the truth it's like someone was sad and depressed they drifted apart she just couldn't keep trying anymore like and that i think tolerate it might be this might be giving tolerate it a little bit too like we might be getting some insight into even as far back as tolerate it which uh you know i always wondered who that was written about but i'm sure there's there's information on that out there but i haven't

investigated but yeah it's it's giving sweet nothing to me which i always thought was a breakup song because it's just like all your like the word nothing is in it and people forget that they go like oh the sweet nothings but it's like the word nothing is kind of hidden in that song like you're giving me nothing and that's kind of what it feels like it's like how did this end i don't even know you're kind of giving up and this is definitely the the extension of you're losing me you know like you're just um yeah and you say i abandoned the ship but i was going down with it i don't know what to make of that one like let's think of a person abandoning the ship um yeah like you didn't abandon the relationship no i was like in it and like i was either gonna die in it or i have to get out but i was did she go down i was going down with it i just don't get

what it means to say i was going down with it like you but you did abandon it eventually but she was like it's the titanic i'm sinking if If I don't get off, I'm going to die. Like, I can't live like this. That's what it is. The color has got to return to her face. Which is from your losing me. My face was gray. I wouldn't admit that we were sick.

I mean, there's a lot of different imagery here that's the same. Okay. Next up. Sorry, I just want to say I died at the altar waiting. You swore you loved me, but where was the clues? I died on the altar waiting for the proof that one killed me those and then you sacrificed us to the gods of your bluest days like that is all blue is all joe painted the paint of the walls blue there's a lot of you know i don't wait you swore that you loved me but where were the clues i died on the altar waiting for the proof waiting for the i like how she goes waiting for the proof that's

like she has such interesting ways of doing melodies okay i love this yeah the rhythm and cadence of that of that of the verses are incredible and i love also how she's like good how the beginning is like so long london and then in one part she's like how the beginning is like so long London and then in one part she's like I waited for so long yes I freaked out when I heard that I was just like you genius you mastermind yeah that song

looking at these lyrics it's great it's so good it's gonna go down as one of the best and most like and when she busts that thing out at airs if she does theatrically what she wants to do with that song we will all come around like i felt that way about my tears ricochet it never landed for me in the way that i needed it to i just maybe hadn't given it the time and then eras it's my what's one of my favorite songs um same tolerate it like the way she sold it theatrically i was was just like, Oh, I get what she's saying. And I think this one will be very beautiful theatrically.

Okay. Um, my favorite song on the album. I'm declaring it. Nothing will ever even touch it because this one is like one of my favorite songs of all time. I don't want to say never touch it because there's other things that definitely touch it.

Uh, but daddy, I love him track six. I, and for you, you're saying it's, I don't want to call you out this for you has been a skip yes i'm sorry to say an initial skip which we all have and even taylor swift has skips on albums so

that's not saying anything bad um i want if taylor you're listening by some chance we love you that does not mean anything because as we know any any skip that you initially have is just whatever you're feeling in that moment it's not you're not ready for that song yet like we can't handle it yes not exactly it's not because it's not a good song it's because we aren't we are we can't hear that frequency yet um that's at least what i would want to know if i were taylor listening to this and be like oh do i have a skip bitch and i'd be like yeah but it that doesn't mean it's you're always spitting truth and and the most beautiful stuff so i i there's a part of me that's like if she hears this i just need her to know that

okay but this song i love it so much it is just the the the way it just opens up and you can you can feel her running in that unbuttoned dress and i oftentimes like i've dated men in the past where my mom has been like nikki he is gonna ask you to marry him and you're gonna say yes i just know it like she thinks i'm kind of like not she thinks i'm just like so dumb and like like just uh digmatized i guess i she doesn't use that word but i guess she just thinks that like he has got you wrapped around his finger you're gonna marry him marry him. You are. You better be careful. She's never talking about like pregnancy because she knows that I would. I don't want to do that even with someone I want to be with forever. But she's like,

if he proposes, you're going to say yet. Like she's always said that about these guys that I've dated in the past that she was worried about. And I'm like, Mom, I would never marry this guy. What are you saying? Like, don't you think I'm in control of what I'm doing? I'm having a little fun. I'm just, I don't want to get married yet. You know, like trust me. And so I felt like when her saying like, um, you know, I'm, I'm having his baby. No, I'm not, but you should see your faces. I've done that to my mom so much, not in that exact way, but just like saying something that sounds like really like threatening, like my mom's biggest fear about this person i'm

dating like being locked in forever and then being like aha just kidding yeah right and that's what she's saying to us guys chill out about the maddie thing and i am desperately looking for it but i fucking called this shit because i did a podcast that's too swift too swifty besties have alerted me to me being the one to say um to that taylor she was they were like one said that tay too swift too swifty besties have alerted me to me being the one to say um to that taylor she was they were like one said that taylor swift has she needs to know she has a friend in you because you said leave her alone about the maddie stuff and that um let her have fun she's having fun and like it's none of your business and she owes you nothing i said that over and over it she owes us literally nothing so don't get a fucking attitude

about it. You don't even know her. You don't know what's going on. And shut up. Let her do what she wants. She can date with whoever she wants. And she's having fun. You're just jealous. I was just so adamant that all these bitches were just jealous that she's having fun and she's dating someone a little bit wrong, which we all want to do. to we all want to date a guy who makes us go but daddy i love him like that's a bad boy it's fun so anyway i want to say that i did i was not a hannah and a sarah in this scenario i am in many other ways but um and i'm so sorry to all sarahs and hannahs i know some of you i've talked to on dms and you're like oh no she like made my name personified with this thing and it's like no i would just actually if it said nicky's i would actually feel like that was a call out um so i am glad it's not my name

and i'm sorry to sarah's and hannah's but i you know um you've had it too good for too long um and congrats to all the girls who are hannah without an h or sarah without an h because that's not that's not the words that she's not you. Yeah. Yeah. That's not you. And I love that. She said they try to save you because they hate you. Like some of her fans hate her and she realizes that. And that is like big.

That's a crazy realization to have. And they do. And they want to cage her, which we get back to later. There's an imagery of cage. 2025 is bound to be a fascinating year. It's going to be filled with money challenges and opportunities. I'm Joel.

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Good people, what's up? It's Questo, Questlove. And Team Supreme and I have been working hard to bring you some incredible episodes of Questlove Supreme with guests you definitely don't want to miss. Now, one of the things I love about this Questlove Supreme podcast is we got something for everybody, every type of musical ever. We enjoy speaking to the people who are the face of some movements, some people you've seen on stage or TV or magazine covers,

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I think just musically, it's gorgeous. It builds so much. When you think it's done, it starts over. And then it gives you this, it gives you the best bridge of the whole album, I think. Or just like, it's not even, there's like eight bridges in the song. The song is so long. it gives you the best bridge of the whole album. I think, um, uh, I, or just like, it's not even,

there's like eight bridges in the song. The song is so long. It's almost like all too well, 10 minute where it's just like, it has so many different parts that I don't, I can't even recognize what's the chorus and what's the verse. Like it's, it's all over the place, but I love,

I love getting lost in our songs like this, but it also, and this was not like a good job to cracking the code that the last verse is about Travis, but of course it is. Of course it is. Who would think that it's still the same guy? Okay, so let's break it down.

So the first part is talking about the person that she's talked about for four now out of now five out of the first seven songs. Is this number seven? This is no, this is track six. Six. Okay. So sorry. Five out of five out of six tracks yes uh besides so long long didn't have been about this person until the very end of this and we get her first we're our first uh thing about uh travis so at the very end she goes um uh there's a lot of people in this town that i bestow upon my fakest smiles uh scandal does funny things to pride but but brings lovers closer. Okay, so all the fucking scandal

around her relationship, guess what it did? It made their bond stronger. Yes. So good job doing that, everyone. You wanted to do the opposite by discouraging her from doing it, but it actually brought them closer together

because they were being judged so much, which, you know, of course that happens, but we don't think it would. When we came back, the heat died down. We went to my parents and they came around so okay so they kind of separated a little bit then they came back together and then but would by the time all the speculation and the massive attention around it died down she went to her parents her parents were like actually we

really like him and then all the wine moms were still not convinced but you know what it doesn't even matter because it's already over. It's already over. But fuck them. It's over. And so that's she says she says it's over. So, of course, the next part is about someone different. So now she literally says now I'm dressing now.

OK, we're now. So I don't understand why people were so amazed that they figured out the crack, the code that she's talking about Travis. Now, now I'm dancing in my dress in the sun. And even my daddy just loves him. We know her dad loves Travis. I'm his lady. And oh my God, you should see your faces. Look at your faces now.

You thought I was going to end up with that guy. And you were so worried. And when it looked like I was maybe going to marry him, you guys were so shocked. You look at your dumb faces then. Now look at your faces. That guy you were worried about, he's so long gone. And now I'm with the most desirable person imaginable.

I'm America's sweetheart with America's other sweetheart. And we are on the football field kissing. Look at your fucking faces. Was I a mastermind and in control of my life the whole time? Yes. Did I maybe not know it at times? Yes. But did you have any say?

Does your say have any? Did it affect why I decided to leave or go? No, it didn't. I was going to be okay the whole time. Stop your meddling. And now look at you. You all eat crow, motherfuckers, because you were judging my judgment,

which I think could be a Taylor Swift lyric. You were judging my judgment, and my judgment is spot on because look who I'm with now. Look who I'm with now. Everyone, even the biggest naysayers and the saboteurs and the town halls are all agreeing that this is just a perfect partnership. Everyone's rooting for Travis and Taylor. And boy, did she turn someone that no one was rooting for into someone that everyone is. And guess what? You can't come to the wedding.

You're not invited because you didn't trust me before. You're not a real friend. And no, you can't come to my wedding. Get out of it. You're not you're not invited because you didn't trust me before you're not a real friend and no you can't come to my wedding get out of it you're not you're not going to be invited her telling us we can't come to the wedding bold and i like it i like it i shouldn't be at your i should be at your wedding because i believed in you all along but um of course i don't feel entitled to go to your wedding and there are some things that um now you don't get to you don't get to now just celebrate be on this um parade float with me of life. Like, yeah, you you doubted me before you judged me when and you only judge me because you wanted to cage me. And you're probably going to end up caging me again.

So I'm going to do this. This relationship will probably be judged in some way as well, which it has been, you know, like, yes, she can't trust us. I feel like you should see our faces love story walked so but daddy i love him could run that's what people are saying and i didn't make the connection and but it's undoubtedly there right like but daddy my dad is you know um she's it's such a more mature version of it like love story feels like the literal teenage version of like you're not going to let me date him what so i'm grounded and this one's like i'm having his child like yes oh yeah that's a good point yeah but it still feels youthful to me in some ways of like the but daddy i love him because it's such a thing you say if you're young like there's a lot of homages to just teenage

angst in this like young hormonal teenage girl angst. I also think it's like reflective of relationships in general, where you, regardless of your age, you need to date the guy. You can't listen to other people who tell you you can't date him. You need to go through it yourself. It never works.

It just makes you want to more. Yes. I like how she calls him me and my wild boy and all this wild joy, because you look at her and Travis and it is, he's a wild boy and look at that. He has such wild joy, such wild joy around him.

He seems like such a happy person. Um, yes. And you know, she says about both of them, he was chaos. He was revelry. They both are chaos and revelry,

you know, like she said that about the first guy and she said it about Travis too. Um, and I love, I love that echo. He was chaos. He was revelry. And then something very interesting I find musically at the end. the first guy and she said it about travis too um and i love i love that echo he was chaos he was revelry and then something very interesting i find musically at the end so we all know the the

chorus is like and i'm i'm running running with my dress on button screaming but daddy i love him i'm having his baby no i'm not but you should see your faces and then at the very end she's like uh she says screaming but daddy i love him i'm having his baby no i'm not when she does that no i'm not and the music fucking cuts out is probably my favorite moment in any taylor swift song ever i'm having his baby no i'm not but uh but no sorry that was the wrong one i'm i'm having his baby i'm having his baby no i'm not but baby. No, I'm not. But, but, but, but you should see your faces. I love how different she, she makes that course a totally different melody at the very end.

It's brilliant. And just everyone go back right now and revisit. No, I'm not. And it's, it reminds me of August when the, the crescendo in August, that's like,

um, I have to pull it up, but there's a moment in august where it's like boom and it like hits and it's just like uh let me pull it up because i really want to make the connection um of these two songs august and this song both make me feel like i'm flying and like i'm running in a field flying and um back when we were still changing for the better. That's not the part, but she goes, you were never mine. Oh, remember when she goes, back when I was living for the hope of all,

for the hope of me, me behind them all. And then it cuts out and it goes, remember when I pulled up and said, get in the car and then cancel my, that canceled. That is the same kind of triumphant thing. That's like, no, I'm not. Boom. I love it. It is such a taylor swift

signature uh musical moment and i'm obsessed i'm obsessed with this song i fucking can't even take it um we are not going to get through the whole album because i have to go but let's just keep going as uh until we run out and then we'll do a second parter um okay next up is uh fresh out of the slammer um i love fresh out the slammer i really like it too it's not one of my faves just yet but i do uh like it and i know that it's one that's gonna grow on me a lot why what do you love about it um the rhythm fresh out the slammer, like know who my call first will be to like how, like just slow it is. But then when the verse,

it picks up, but like, I just love it. I just love that. You don't know what she's going to say next. The imagery she's painting, like another summer. I like the verse.

Another summer. Oh, that that's rolling thunder. He don't understand me. gonna say next the imagery she's painting like another yeah i like the verse another summer take all that that's rolling thunder he don't understand me oh yes you're right i really like that verse i also love the pre-chorus where she's like giving us information and clues about why this relationship was so important because she was under the spell of someone else. It's like a prison. She only gets one hour of sunlight a day. Like prisoners can only leave for one hour a day. Like she was handcuffed to that spell.

Oh, I thought she just got out of prison. Like she's not going back. I thought she was like, she's not like taking a break on the prison yard. She's like out of the slammer. She just got released. Yeah.

But it's a metaphor for her. The slammer is her previous relationship yeah yes so this is she's talking about getting out of joe and then running to maddie is this what we're talking about in this one yes but like i loved how she was like when i was in prison i only got one hour of sunshine like i did my best in that relationship i only got one hour of sunshine like the positives would pop up every once in a while, but Oh, I didn't see that for one, just one hour of sunshine.

I didn't see that lyric. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Yes. Oh, so while she's in the slammer, that's her life.

Yes. Years of labor locks and gray and blue and fights and tunnels handcuffed. Tunnels is very London handcuffed to the spell. I was under for just one hour of sunshine and that she's handcuffed to that bed in that, in the fortnight video, years of to that bed in that uh in the fortnight video years of labor locks and ceilings in the shade of how he was feeling oh so he's a depressed guy yes and i just love how like it's real but the the years of labor locks in i'm sorry

i'm not a good singer like you no i just not like i'm kidding. I couldn't not do that joke. I don't know why, but you are no bad singer at all. I just wanted to make people laugh. No, I am. Like, you're trained and you have a beautiful voice. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't...

I want to be clear. I never judge anyone's voice. Like, I want everyone to sing at any time. And you also are not off... Like, you have a good voice, so I'm not going to let you say that about yourself.

But even if you weren't, I wouldn't care. Okay. Right. But, yeah. This is starting to grow on me now that I'm looking at the lyrics with you and talking through it. It's it's going to be fun to revisit. Yes, I just love it because it's there like from so long London and this pre-chorus like

we're getting the reasons it's and it's not like dramatic, know it's just sad it's just like well what about this camera flashes welcome bashes get the matches toss the ashes off the ledge as i said in my letters now that i know better i will never lose my baby again okay so they got back together she's really gonna try this time my friends try but i wouldn't hear it watch me daily disappearing okay it's getting bad again for just one glimpse of his smile okay he's depressed all those nights he kept me going swirled you into all of my poems some all those nights he kept me going something's going on at night with him we don't know what but maybe they talking maybe they something else uh swirled you into all my poems is one of my favorite lyrics of

this album now we're at the starting line i did my time starting line isn't that the name of the band that they listen to at the Black Dog? Oh, is it? Let me just go to Black Dog real quick. Where are you, Black Dog? Because I think there's a band. Oh, my computer's being so slow. Black Dog, here we go. Sorry, someone cut out this. Yeah, starting line. when someone plays the starting

line yeah that's the band um my tour manager knows the people in the band and he's like oh my god i know the guy who just like woke up to him being name checked in a taylor so song which is like would be incredible oh my god my google just crashed okay you know what this is a perfect time to wrap this up because i have to go anyway um we are going to pick up where we left off we will start we will finish the conversation about Fresh Out the Slammer and then we'll get to the rest of the album here with Noor Hadidi. I hope you guys

enjoyed this. This was so fun for me. Noor, I hope you had fun. Yes. Absolutely. It's the best. I'm just like processing emotions so fun is like maybe not at the top of the list but I'm trying to have fun but it just means so much to me. Really?'t like this really this is like kind of torturous for you you're a tortured poet i guess i am i'm a tortured poet like mother because this is like i just said

to my friend i am like dating this album oh my god this was a line i had the other night to tanya like we were leaving um one of the venues late at night and i had this like overwhelming feeling you know that feeling when you like are first crushing on someone and you like are waiting to get their text and like you you can't wait to get away from your life so you can go like text them and just like be wrapped up in that yeah i was feeling like that i was like why am i why am i feeling like i'm so i'm get to text a boy or something like a new boy you know like I'm in a relationship. We're not like texting like flirty all night.

And, um, and then I realized it was this album. I was, it was feeling like I got to get, go back into this like little fantasy world. It's been really fun for me. I'm sorry. It's not been fun for you. And it's like been emotional, but like, like does do you like feeling like you're obviously working through maybe a heartbreak of your own is this is it pulling up feelings you don't didn't want to pull up or is it like does it feel good sometimes to feel like from my life i'm just so

connected to what she writes like i've been listening to her since i was 19 and i'm 34 so the emotional places i go to like like, like I can access through her song. You're her same age. Are you 1989? No, I'm a year older than her. I'm 88. Oh, that's pretty good. I'm 35. I keep telling people I'm 34. It's crazy, Nikki. This is the third time it's happened this week. I'm like in denial about being 35. No, 35 is great. I'm five years older than her that's it's uh like i

wish i even though i feel like we were born on the same day you know like but that's you obviously yeah that's what i wanted to say about the red when i was like saying we've never gotten message in a bottle like i'm kind of unclear about what was on red and what wasn't like i kind of went through red and speak now and fearless with the re-releases more than i did with them because they all came out before i was a fan of massive you know a swifty so sometimes i'm unclear about the yeah i'm not a perfect swifty by any means but um no one is but yeah that's um that is you've been through a lot with her and yes there's a lot of empathy going on. But the good news is she's so fucking happy now. Yeah, I'm so happy for her.

She deserves it, man. She's so happy. And I guess I feel a bit guilty for not understanding what she was really going through with Maddie. I just genuinely thought it was a fling and that she ended things with him. I wish I was more empathetic to what she was going through. Honestly, I was like, I felt it. Oh.

And someone else also called out and said, Nikki, remember when you said that there was a sadness to some of her, like, even though she hits all of her marks and she's perfect on stage, you could just send something. You weren't wrong. Like you weren't wrong.

And you said it. Oh yeah. I said it on the podcast. I said a bunch of like, and I felt really bad saying that because I don't want to ever accuse her of like me sensing something that isn't professional in what she's doing or like she wasn't amazing or that show somehow wasn't as good because she wasn't. I sensed a sadness. That's not it at all. Like she's always 100 percent perfect. It was just I sensed something.

And I I knew exactly what Maddie was. Exactly. I have had maddie's um i i know i was a hundred percent for it a hundred percent for maybe two on board i was so on board that chris made a shirt that said team maddie that he wore to the chicago show in early july that's a team maddie on the back because i convinced him that like everyone's so mad at her but fuck them let her do whatever she wants and so it was hilarious now you can't wear that shirt even though it was really funny shirt he made but um the front of it was really cool too but uh yeah so i've i've always been i just i i and you know again that that thing that we all were like what is she doing was a response to this that we all were like, what is she doing? Was a response to this thing.

We all were mourning the loss of two, like her breaking up with Joe is hard on me as well. Yes. Because we've invested, like I said, reputation lover. Like we were never going to be okay with Matt. Like people were never going to,

because he was just the next thing. And we're like, it's not Joe. It's like, chill out. Let her also like, Maddie's like a public idiot. Like he says things that can be like offensive and hurt actually hurt people's feelings but he's not aware like and we're just used to her being so aware of her fans and wait

can you share what you shared with me about maddie oh my god wait when we were in boston no didn't you say were you the one that just told me that you're like getting kind of horny for him or you can see it? Oh my God. Yes. I'm so embarrassed. I'm so embarrassed. Dude, join the club.

I've been in that club for a while, like a while. And I don't see why everyone isn't. I mean, I'll tell you why. I only found out. I've never seen him on stage, never heard his music. I saw this. Oh, his music is so good. I'm so into it.

Yeah. That's the thing. And I only found out about him when it was like all the backlash from the podcast he was doing. So I was like, not invested in this guy. And all I knew about him was he was dating queen Taylor who nobody deserves. And also just like talking shit online. So I was like who is

this guy but yesterday I like I told you I got high and then I started watching his music and his like videos on YouTube and Instagram and I was like this guy is hot like yes this guy he's good sings and his lyrics he's so good he's like he's so good there's a Taylor Swift. He's so good. There's a Swift vibe. There's a lot of emotions going on. Great lyrics. Great vibes. Every song sounds different. They're amazing. They're amazing.

He's amazing. I get it. I get it. And he's a flawed person. Obviously, he hurt our friend. But I think she would even still say he's great at music. And I definitely think she would still agree that he's hot. Or there was a sexual appeal to him. She would not be mad at us for agreeing with her and we're saying that just supportively yeah um and so yeah anyway

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