The Nikki Glaser Podcast - Bonus! The Tortured Poets Department Gushfest Part II

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

Nikki returns with her friend, comedian Nour Hadidi, to continue the enticing talks of Taylor Swift's "The Tortured Poets Department" album. What do these songs mean? Which ex is she talking about? What tracks are a bop and what ones take to ruminate? You will not want to miss out on this chat, Swiftie Besties! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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try to get through as many songs as we can today, but you know, we get a rambling. We also have to like just cover stuff that's come up with the other songs that we covered last week because like we have new feelings about them as always. And by always, I mean one other time. I am joined by the only woman in my life, person in my life who loves Taylor Swift as much as me, Noor Hadidi, comedian Noor Hadidi. Welcome back to the show, Noor. It is an honor and a privilege to be here and serve my country this way. Yeah, your country being Canada.

Yes. Yes, you're from Canada. No, my country being Swifty, Swift- Swift Nation. Swift Nation. There we go. Yes. That's better yeah well um do okay i

want to talk about your life because you are the only one in my life who um like there's a maybe a couple no you like are the top spot like if we're talking about like rankings like you're my boy breaks his favorite toys and then like i have other people that are like down bad which is like very high up there in terms of like liking Taylor Swift but it's not like it's my boy only breaks his favorite toys is so far above you um you are like you're a Swifty on the level that I am um do you have Swifties in your personal life you're you're at your level you're at Nikki it's only you. Really? What did you do before me? Like, what did we do before each other? Okay, so a few years ago, this was pre-pandemic. I put on, I never told you this, I put on a Taylor Swift show on her birthday for her. So I know it was on December 13th.

Like a comedy show? Yeah, it was a talk show. And I had a co-host named Adele. So her and I would message a lot. And I had a bunch of comics who love her who wrote material about her for the show. So there's a comic, Olivia Stadler. She was also on it. I know her. You know her.

Yeah, I feel like you would know her. So yeah, I had some people I could reach out to and talk to but not at this level like what are you on the subreddits yes i'm on the sub are you that's where you get it that's where i get the like that's where i get the okay i'm not alone in this obsession um like before i met someone personally who was on the same level as me because it just it's a disappointment when you see people in taylor swift merch and you try to strike up a conversation like the way that we want to have and they just aren't picking it up you know and um and they don't want to go there and they're kind of a little bit like oh i don't know about that or like um so it's it's rare to find someone especially someone who's a comedian

especially someone who um i just met through someone else like it's rare to find someone, especially someone who's a comedian, especially someone who I just met through someone else. Like, it's not like we found each other because of Taylor Swift. It was just so exciting. But one of the reasons, like one of the reasons I wanted to meet you so much was because I knew we both had a love for her. I even, because you did this really cool thing where you had a dance party during the pandemic and you donated all the money to an animal shelter. And I bought a ticket and I danced the whole night. And I was like, oh, I just want to meet her. She's so cool.

You just get it, you know? Yeah. Thank you. That was so fun. Yeah, that was when my obsession was peaking. And obviously it was before folklore and evermore. And it was just, yeah, it was like fresh COVID evermore and um it was just yeah it was like fresh covid and yeah i did a dance party yeah i remember staying at my parents house and um

man that when that song came out it like first of all when folklore came out they had a saint louis mention within the second track and then they had tis the damn season soon after that where it was like staying at my parents' house and I was like wait a second we are on the same page here it was released

I think everyone finds little things like that in her songs that are like is she reading my mind? Wait what's the St. Louis reference? Rebecca showed up on the afternoon train

it was sunny her salt box house on the coast took her mind off St. Louis Oh my god So we always get really excited when it's just like oh my god she's mentioning the city i'm from um it's i imagine i imagine how

it feels to be a chloe sophia or marcus or a sarah or a hannah not really not those um anyway um so torture poets department we are now a week and a half out of it. Feels like it's been a month because I've spent so much time with it. Are you having this thing where you're having to take breaks because it's not, it doesn't, it's hitting different. Like it's not, I don't have the limerence thing going on, which is that like drug related type feeling that courses through your veins when you are first falling in love with a song like it's starting these drugs aren't getting me high anymore like obviously I love the song there's no question but I'm not getting high from them are you having that

and having to find 100% for me it's like maybe not necessarily the high but because she pulls me in so emotionally I find that I'm depleted after listening to the album like because i'll put it on once or twice and then i'm like i can't like this has just taken so much out of me i need are you listening to the album in like all together like you like go through it you press play and man okay we are different kind of swifty because i know about you guys um i hear about you on the subreddits. Like you're listening to the album and you're being drained emotionally. Like, I don't know what that is. You must be an extreme empath.

Is that something that you relate to? Oh, maybe. My sister is. So maybe I think I'm not to the extent as her, but I do feel things. And on this album more so than all of her other previous albums, because the lyrics are what really shine through right like the production i don't want to say feels the same because it's different for each song but it's not like midnights where we're getting a different kind of song one after the

other i find that it's all yeah like from the same emotional place and melancholic yes and i don't know if i said this before, but like that whole argument that this all sounds the same, like I probably did. I'm so sorry if I repeat myself. I talk about Taylor Swift constantly, so I don't know where I said each thing. So there might be some things repeated in this episode

and you can just like press the skip, you know, like go 30 seconds ahead and then I'll be done saying the thing I just said. But for people saying this sounds the same, if it sounded to,night's, I remember, the discourse around that was, it wasn't cohesive enough. It sounded too different.

So it's like, I remember that being a criticism of it. It wasn't a cohesive album, which is always like a word that music critics use to talk about albums. Like, it doesn't have a similar theme. And it's like, and now this one does. And people are like, it doesn't have any kind of kind of nuance it's not we're not on a roller coaster it's like but you complained last time that she did that so kind of is the you know i've

said it before but it's the point she makes about if you uh have enough fat on you to have an ass you have a tummy and if you don't have a tummy then you're not gonna have an ass and people will criticize you for that so it's like you can't it. And if you don't have a tummy, then you're not going to have an ass and people will criticize you for that. So it's like, you can't, it's almost like you can't fucking win. Yes. So such is the life of Taylor Swift. But, um, and yes, you're right. I, I guess I'm not drained emotionally from this album as much as I've been hearing other people. Like I definitely am feeling things. And I think I just, I'm sorry, Taylor, if you're listening, I don't think about your life as much as I think about my life. And like, I, I will, I'm sorry Taylor if you're listening I don't think about your life as much as I think about my life and like I I will I'm obviously like I know you're happy now because of so high school and

the alchemy and like I so I'm like okay she's she's good and because this album's success and I mean and I don't know she's happy by the way that's me being uh she can do it with a broken heart I can read her mind. She's having the time of her life. She could be not right now. We know that from, I can do it with a broken heart because she can fool us

because she's a fucking pro. Because she's a mastermind. But I am not, I'm not like, oh my God, I can't believe she went through this. Like I'm sad that she did, of course,

but I'm not like, when we got off the podcast last week, you kind of blew my mind with how you were saying, like, it really, like, it makes you sad. Like, you're sad after listening to songs. Like, you get depressed. Mm-hmm. Wait, you don't?

I don't relate to that at all. If anything, it, like, is a nurturing blanket it's like someone like crazy like it's like laying in my grandmother's lap and her like gently like rubbing my hair and like drawing animals on my back and i can guess what like the most comforting feeling it feels buzzy it feel it feels like a narcotic i'm not kidding you i feel like i could just you could see me on skid row and like you know those memes where it's like someone's mainlining an iPod into their wrist. And that's, that's torture poets for me right now of like, you know, probably seven of the songs. Last night I, I learned Love of My Life on the guitar, which is very, very simple.

If you, if anyone here wants to learn guitar, it's very, very easy. And it's, and that song, like, and i was almost like making myself cry because of how like i was singing it like that that was almost that was really a cathartic moment for me but i'm not having like oh i'm so sad like i need to like someone to pick me up if anything i put this album on to like get me out of those moods that have nothing to do with her so my question is do you think because you have a musical background that's's the reason? Because I don't. I like, I'm like, Taylor does what she does. I don't have a musical background.

What are you talking about, Nikki? I started playing, but I sang in choir in high school, but I started singing and playing music only four years ago, less than. But you're incredible and your voice is amazing. That is really debatable, but thank you so much. Oh my God, Nikki. I don't think I approach it from like I see that like I have synesthesia and I see it musically I think it's just we're this is what I like about

Taylor Swift our favorites which we've ranked them are so different the way we that she her music makes us feel but why would you want to listen to it if it makes you sad is my point is is my question for you oh my god it's almost like because i've been listening to her music since i was 19 and it's like she's opening up her diary and how can i not is the question how can i not like morbid curiosity it's a connection i have to her it's hard to explain it's like i've been i've listened to every single song she's put out since 2009 i'm not going to stop now her previous even though it hurts but does it feel good and there has to be some component of it that makes you feel good why would you do it you're you're just doing it because you're

a fan and you have to no well you know what it's like when you're trying you love a new song and you like even though whatever emotions it makes you feel you still want to know the lyrics right you want to get to a point where you know what the bridge is you know what so that's what keeps me listening i think is i want to know you're trying to memorize it yes even though it makes you sad well listen hold on who am i to judge you for doing something that ultimately makes you sad because Because that's literally everything I do. But at first, it feels good at least. If I use drugs, if I drink, if I engage in texting people, I shouldn't.

Or whatever thing we do in our life that gives us a momentary surge, like a drug, there is a depressing thing afterwards. And that's what i'm feeling with it's just not hitting the same way where i'm like i need now i need well thank god there's 31 fucking songs because the second um my boy only breaks his favorite toys i haven't listened to that song in um five days because i need to recalibrate it's not like i need to build up my tolerance again and so when it comes on i go oh my god this song you know like i need to get it back music is a hundred percent like a drug for me there's uh such correlations to it and and and i was gonna say it's like um having a crush on a guy like i said last week like i was feeling like this weird feeling come over me of like oh my god when i go home i get to like text a boy i

like which i haven't been doing that for so long. I'm in a relationship. But then I realized it was the album. It was like, it gives me this, look up the word limerence. I have limerence with these albums. But that's also a drug, like love, falling in love with someone that kind of early stage. So this, and I mean, it's so fitting because this album is about like using love as a drug to get over something, you know, to get over Joe, which everyone says this album's not about Joe, but it is because Maddie is a response to Joe. That is, it is about Joe.

Do you think so? I don't think Maddie's a response to Joe. I disagree with you. Because it's, she, well, she even says, I took the miracle move on drug.

The effects were temporary. Why does she need a drug to move on? If, if she's fine about Joe? I thought she said that she took the drug to get all over Maddie. Oh, you think, I think Maddie is the drug. I'll tell you my thesis.

Interesting. Okay, we're going back. When Jack Antonoff posted, yeah, when Jack Antonoff posted the photo of her counting the raisins and said, you're losing me. Yes, when the night they recorded, you're losing me. That was years ago. So she's been on and off and on and off. Midnight, like you said, was the breakup album with Maroon. Right.

It's different. You know, like, and on Midnight. Sweet Nothing. Sweet Nothing, exactly. Bejeweled. Best believe I'm still bejeweled. And when I meet the band, they ask, do you have a man? What band do you think that was?

Because I think it was the 1975. I'll say I don't remember like like that is when i heard that lyric i go whoa who's this about we're not dealing with characters anymore in folklore you know this is you girl and if i loved it maybe so bold both question and glitch are about maddie and they were on now this is midnights yes well she might have been talking to him when they were on little breaks because as someone who has been in a relationship that ends and then gets back together and ends and get back together during those breaks you often go back to someone who you possibly um could have been talking to before you got together with that person which is what we know um from a lot of reconnaissance about maddie and and so this is all speculating and we are definitely being sarah's and hannah's

right now so i apologize to taylor swift for speculating but girl like i said last week this this is what you do to us and And I'm sorry if it feels invasive. And I love you so much. And I do the same things. And so that's why I love talking about it. Nothing you've done has ever been like, I would never do that. I do all of it. And it makes me feel seen.

I saw this incredible. I wish I knew who the creator was. It was a reel on Instagram. And you know, the one is also about maddie and it says um what yes yes girl and why did she take it out of the set list when she broke up with joe we all thought that was because no she removed the one not missing on the babe she removed invisible string and put the one on because the one visible string she sorry sorry she removed invisible string you're right i'm so sorry i got those two mixed up forgive me it's okay okay yes so there was an

incredible swift who's like can I ask you a question um uh like because we all I mean literally whenever a question comes up on subreddit where it's like if you got to ask Taylor Swift one question what would it be I'm always like what does question mean that's always gonna be to her. It's like, when I become friends with her, I'm going to be like, girl, let's talk about question. Yeah. So the one and question are inter related. Like there's a breakdown of how, um, if one thing had been different, would everything be different? And the expansion of that lyric from one is all of question like okay uh question yeah has anyone ever kissed you in a crowded room and all of your friends were making fun of you and 15 seconds later they were laughing too then what would you do okay i thought question was

about harry styles do you know why because the beginning of the song goes, I remember. And it's about, I mean, that's a callback to Out of the Woods. Out of the Woods, which we all know is about Harry. So at the very end, it goes, I remember. And so I was like,

okay, that's definitely, why would she put that in there? So there's a lot of that going on. Here's the thing about Taylor. It's like, until I become friends with her, I won't have these answers ever. We will never know concretely

what is really going on because there are songs. Let me talk about Love of My Life first. I mean, we'll get into it. But I don't know who that's about because that has everyone in it. You can't really pin it down. So she's being vague enough.

And then you get to thank you, Amy, and you're like, well, this is very clear. So there's times where she's so vague and other times where she's spot on. Okay, so before we get into it, which obviously we're well in, but before we get back to the track, we got through last week fresh out of the slammer. Now, I just want to go back one second and say that I realized an amazing thing in But Daddy, I Love Him. It's definitely about Maddie. And it's another one of these like, oh, she uses a music sample that sounds like the guy she's talking about. She did it in Dear John with the kind of whiny guitar. And we're like, oh my God, that's a John Mayer guitar. And so she does that.

But Daddy, I love him. There's some drums at the very end that I want to play. And then we're going to hear those drums somewhere else. I'm going to play these drums. I'm not going to play longer than 15 seconds so we don't get copyright. Oh, wait, no, I'm sorry. It's My. I'm not going to play longer than 15 seconds so we don't get copyright. Oh, wait. No. I'm sorry. It's My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys. Sorry about that, you guys. And if anyone thinks this is

about Joe, you're wrong. Not that you would. Okay. Sorry. Keeping it. One second. Here it comes. Listen to the drums. Okay. Now, listen to the drums on the song The City, which is the song that she played and I got very much into because she played them at...

It is the same drum. It is the same drum. It is the same drum. And the city... Let me play her... Favorite Toys again. Now, that drum... Okay, one more time, the city. It's the same fucking drum, you guys.

The city is the song that she played in january of 2023 at the 1975 show it is also a song that she was singing to in a video from like 2014 when she went to one of their concerts like she loves that song i i thought maybe it was probably like back when she went to his concert in january of last year when joe and her were still together i'm not gonna lie i kind of knew things something was up because i just i knew that she had like talked to him before and i'm just like we got this midnight's album i was feeling like joe was not like i think that there were some little clues that things with joe weren't good the bejeweled line all of a sudden made sense about like a band, even though that album came out before she went to go see them. And then I knew she was like just them hanging out.

And I was just so I remember getting into the city and being like, is this about her? Like, is she singing? Because how badass would it be if you, if a guy 10 years ago wrote a song about you? And then 10 years later when you're in another relationship and you're just friends or whatever because that's what I kind of thought it was going on but I thought maybe she is who knows I go how badass would it be to walk out on stage get a bigger response than even the person that they're there to see then you play there the song that he wrote about you and I gotta I gotta, I like her version that she does acoustically.

If you guys haven't heard it, you're missing out so much. Her version, it's one of my favorite songs now. I love their version, but I think I like hers more, maybe because I heard it first, but I just love her acoustic version of it. And so that is a huge hidden piece that I wanted to reveal that I don't think I've seen any TikToks about or anything.

So that was, I wanted to go back and do that before. And then I wanted to also say, okay, so I'm really into, okay, no, we'll get into that later. Let's pick back. Is there anything you want to say about the tracks that we've all been over? No. My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys. Can I ask you why that is in your bottom? It's not in my bottom. Is it?

Wasn't it? No. I love that song. Here, let me see what I sent you. Okay, good. Okay, good. And by the way, even if songs are in our bottoms, we don't not like them. Like, that's the thing about taylor swift rankings like it's my number it's sad when you see a song it's my number three it was my other friend brenda

my friend brenda who is also for those of you you know brenda if you're listening to the podcast regularly andrew's uh fiancee brenda is also a major swifty and her she is my boy only breaks his favorite toys at the bottom and she and her my bottoms are on her top and that was so fascinating to us as we were talking about yesterday hey swifty besties i'm back again um here comes another commercial break but we'll be back after it don't you even worry about it john stewart is back in the host chair at Daily Show, which means he's also back in our ears on The Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. The Daily Show podcast has everything you need to stay on top of today's news and pop culture. You get hilarious satirical takes on entertainment, politics, sports, and more

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Oh, my God. Three exclamation points. Okay, featuring Florence and the Machine. Now, Florence and the Machine, does that mean it's featuring the whole band? Because I thought it was just featuring Florence, but I guess the whole band is there. Or is that what she goes by? Maybe that's what she goes by. Yeah.

Okay. I thought her name was Florence Welch, but I guess that's what she goes by. Nor, what are your feelings on this track? I mean, I love Florida. I'm obsessed with the production, with the lyrics, with Florence on it. It is one of my faves. It's in my top five. I love Florida.

Really? Okay. It's definitely in my faves. It's in my top five. I love Florida. Really? Okay. It's definitely in my bottom five. It is definitely maybe it's, it's, it goes number 31 on my rankings. I have to say, I don't know what's wrong with me.

I was on a Swifty subreddit and not one of the bad ones. Let me just say Swifty subreddit. I'm, I do, I no longer participate in definitely no longer participate in one that starts with a g and I definitely no longer participate in the one that's um Swifty neutral which is like people that are like you know what we're not gonna like just be sycophants about her we're actually gonna it is the most negative space they are all obsessed with

her but they can't admit it to themselves and so and they're almost embarrassed that they're obsessed with her so they have to take her down but it's like that is an obsession in and of itself and they just like to make fun of us they like they're just it's the most and i used to just dabble in it just to see what people were up to that were on the other side of what i am like you know just be open to the you know the don't close your or bipartisanship like open your mind to their side so you can empathize with them even though you'll never agree and I just I got out of it I started I they I got I unsubscribed because it was so negative because it just is whether or not you agree with them just following a subreddit that only talks shit which is so many subreddits is bad for

your health and if you're a regular listener to the podcast you know that i'm trying to avoid just like criticism and shit talking in any way even though it's one of my favorite things to do but they then reddit just like starts like showing you posts from it being like you might like this and i i muted them because i just want out of that i just don't want any more negativity but i did find something within the there's true swifties which are mega mega swifties and then there's the taylor swift subreddit but if you want if you want like nothing but gushy love all the time true swifties is a good one but um in taylor swift someone was talking about the album and they said florida

made them feel nauseous and i think it does that to me too but I think it's meant to because it's like it's like and Florida is like the way she described the song is like that's where you go to like get away from the law after you've done something bad and there's you're burying things and there's just it just it just makes me feel kind of I feel uneasy even though I do recognize that it is I mean immediately when I saw the title, I'm like, Florida. It's so catchy. I don't tend to like her getting together with people and singing. I just want her to sing the whole thing. I love Florence and the Machine.

I really am a fan. But it's like two positives make a negative to me. I just want Taylor when I want Taylor. And if she sang this whole song, I bet it would not be 31 for me. But Florence's voice is amazing on it. It's so ghostly and kind of fits the vibe of it. Like, I have no complaints. I don't know why, but it's just not my song yet.

What is your favorite parts about it? Well, when I first listened to the album, it's the one song I kept playing on repeat. Oh. Yeah. I think it's everything, really. Like, the lyrics, the instrumentation, the drums with the pum-pum, like the four drums.

Yes. I mean, there's references. I like how this is cross-reference i mean we hear about florida first in fortnight and then um yeah i don't know if florida comes up again but there's we all thought that florida this track was going to be about her breakup with joe that happened probably in florida because she was in florida when we all kind of thought it happened yes um does maddie represent florida is that who maddie is where you go after you to get away from something to escape pain to escape some like is he florida i like that analogy i can see that like what's your obsession with florida like why what is she trying to tell us in this I think she's trying to tell us dolls there yeah well yeah I really love the lines that both her and Florence have where little did you know your hometown's only a place you're just a guest in and then Florence line little did you

know your hometown's only the place you'll get arrested so I kind of like that yeah that like where you live is actually what you think is permanent is only gonna is gonna feel temporary when you you know make this big decision and decide that you have to go down to florida so maybe that's what it is like with maddie like yeah we're i'm he's my florida this six-year relationship that i've had i'm only a guest in it oh fuck okay can i just say my favorite lyric okay i think i'm coming around on this song by the way because i really i'm looking at the lyrics i'm like wait a second i think i love this song all of the bodies that i've ever been on my body like that is i know that people might make fun of that lyric and be like okay you're just saying body a lot but like if you're gonna

make fun of that you should make fun of to the left to the left everything you own in a box to the left like you're allowed to say words a lot yes um and but that one is so funny all of the bodies that i've ever been on my body like i, I want to hear Taylor sing that so badly, even though it's the Florence line. And it's one hell of a drug. I love that. It's one hell of a drug. Like, I like how it opens up at the end really big. Okay, I'm a Florida stan now.

It's in my top five. I really do like it. Oh, my God. Because you know what? This is what I do. Like, I'm open to being like, I don't like things. And then I look at them and I go, why? Why don't you like it oh my god because you know what this is what i do like i'm open to being like i don't like things and then i look at them and i go why why don't you like it and then i really don't have any evidence to back it up so i like florida i'm back in we are going to get to my my number 31

song my new number 31 song in a second but not yet because we're moving on to guilty as sin which is i think it ranked pretty high up there for me um it's so funny because you'll be like oh i think that's my top that's my number two song and then you go oh shit i have a lot of songs that are favorites which is that's what this album is about so um for me wow it doesn't even rank in top 10 for me and it's one of my favorites i'm looking at my top 10 list i don't i um god where is it for me um where oh it's number 11 okay so it's it's nearly there but that's that seems crazy i think my ranking's fucked up because guilty as sin is so good i listened to it um saturday night i had a clawfoot bathtub in my

really nice um i guess it was sunday night yeah sunday night at clawfoot bathtub in my hotel room in Omaha. And after my Omaha, I drew a bath and I like put on guilty of sin and I like pretended I was her in a relationship and like dreaming about a boy and like I did not masturbate. But this is the song to do that too, because it's so funny. I was telling Anya about this song and I was like, oh, you know, she wrote a song about masturbating to someone else when you're in a relationship and feeling bad about it or not feeling bad about it, but yeah, feeling guilty of sin. And Anya goes, do you think other people like look into these songs as much as you do? And I go, no, this is not me just like putting a spit on it. This is very clear. I mean, I will say when I did the first live listen to this album the night it came out,

I remember people in the chat being like, Guilty as Sin is about her masturbating. And I instantly went to it. I was like, I can't. I don't think, I think it was coming up next. But I was like, that was like, I want to get to it now. I didn't skip to get to it because I want to listen in order. But I wanted to immediately because, I mean, what a subject. I mean, this is, I remember when Britney Spears wrote a song about masturbating and it was wild.

And now we got Taylor Swift writing one. Because that's what it is, right, Noor? Absolutely. I just, you're so funny. I just thought of the Britney one. Like, I wanna go. So this one's like, that one's more of what's up. No, that's not even the one.

The Touch of My Hand is the name of the song. And it is legit about her masturbation. Like, it's called The Touch of, I think it's called The Touch of My Hand is the name of the song. Oh. And it is legit about her. Like, it's called The Touch. I think it's called The Touch of My Hand, but I'm sure she has a lot. But that came out kind of like, I think probably earlier than I want to go. But Touch of My Hand was like, I was in high school and I was like, or maybe early college. Like, whoa. I think it was early college being like, man, this girl's talking about masturbation. Like like i don't even know how to do that yet and i think it was the first time i

got kind of curious into it um but guilty of sin drowning in the blue nile which is a album from or sorry is a band um who has a song called downtown lights so she's drowning in the blue now she's already listening to it he sent me lights. I hadn't heard it in a while. My boredom's bone deep. So she's bored in her relationship. This cage, we're talking about cages, which we heard about in, but daddy, I love him.

This cage was just fine. Am I allowed to cry? By the way, I can't even believe am I allowed to cry? I wrote a song that is coming out May 8th i think called uh someday you'll die and i have a song about crying in the bathtub and i struggled for so long to come up with um the perfect lyric for it because it was about like trying to cry but not being able to kind of thing and fucking taylor swift nails that's what i was trying to do is like am I like I she was able to

because I ended up just using the lyric like why can't I cry right but that was the same thing of like why why can't I cry but she answers my question I can't cry because I don't know if I'm allowed to and I'm like wow that is that's 20 years of songwriting ahead of me. Like, 20 years ago, she might have written my version, which was, I can't cry. Simple. I like your version. It's fine. It's fine. But that's the poetic mastery that she's achieved.

As someone who is trying to convey the same image, that is so much more interesting interesting to me am i allowed to cry then why can't i cry you know like i think why can't i cry is debut and am i allowed to cry as torture poets that just shows like her elevation and songwriting which is fine i am debut like i just started playing music like i'm even less than debut i'm like her like little cds she used to bring about into radio stations before debut like that's where I'm at in my journey not even there she wrote way I'm like her when she was 12 and got a she probably made three songs before 4 p.m when she got her first guitar for Christmas have you ever seen that video where she gets a guitar for Christmas yes she's so cute so happy she says that she's so cute I love it okay I'm dreaming of cracking locks okay we see that

imagery in um in the music video for fortnight uh throwing my life to the wolves or the ocean rocks okay we heard that about ocean rocks in uh the rebecca wrote up on that where she's like oh yeah tossing herself onto the pacing the rocks and the men and then she's and also in um my tears ricochet falling off you know she's she's jumping off of very tall somethings in a lot of songs crashing into him tonight he's a paradox i'm seeing visions am i bad or mad or wise and then what if he's written mine on my upper thigh only in My Mind. I mean, I would have dropped my mic if it didn't cost a lot. I can't even handle this lyric. It's so hot.

And the melody of it. The melody. So good. So interesting. Oh, my God. What if he's written mine on my upper thigh, only in my mind? And then my favorite part. One slip into the and fall like that.

That is so interesting and I cannot get, there's a video of Post Malone dancing that someone put to this song and every time I hear, one slip and fall and back into the hedge maze, I always picture him going, and dancing like that.

It is, I want to dance to this song so badly i cannot wait to go to a swifty sing-along i cannot wait to go to era's tour and maybe she plays this but i doubt we'll get this one yeah but who knows um i keep recalling things we never did i mean who can't relate to that where you're like this is limerence dude i've been talking about limerence on the podcast so much she is is a limer head, just like me, just like you probably, where you have fantasies about someone and you go so far in your head that it becomes better than anything it could ever be between you two. Like you closing your eyes at night to go to sleep, you on a plane. My friend Taylor has limerence too. She does it. It's like

a drug that people do where they just fantasize and you don't jack off to it, but it's like, you're just in your, you're just, it feels buzzy and warm to like picture things and it's really bad for you. It's a coping mechanism, right? Like I used to daydream a lot as a kid and I used to romanticize so much when I was a teenager, especially because I never had an experience so I would just like like build it up in my mind or do things that I wanted without having to actually like be vulnerable in real life right whatever made you do stand-up comedy like what made you stop fantasizing about that because I think a lot of people have fantasies of doing something like being famous or like and you actually went and pursued it like

because I wasn't really a daydreamy kid I was I've actually really didn't like daydreaming until recently because and I still only daydream about things that I think I can actually achieve it's never something that is unachievable ever ever ever ever I would never fantasize about now in my life I have kind of access to famous people so if I was to daydream about Brad Pitt, I'm like, well, maybe that could actually happen. But when I was in middle school, I was not daydreaming about, you know, Ryder Strong, because I'm like, I have no access to him. So I daydream about maybe someone in my class that I, but even in my class, I was like, I'm such a dork.

I don't have a chance with that person. It would only, I would only allow it if I could actually make it happen. So what, what made you be able to do stand-up comedy? Because I'm guessing that's something you daydreamed about. Yes. I daydreamed about everything I wanted. I think because what made me want to do stand-up is I just was obsessed with it, Nikki. Like, I didn't know it was an art form until I was in my-

You were obsessed? Shut up. I'm just like, of course't know it was an art form until I was in my- You obsessed? Shut up. I'm just like, of course, of course, you were obsessed. Like, we are obsessies. Yeah, yeah. But you were obsessed with it before you did it? Yeah, because I didn't know it was an art form until I got to undergrad and in my dorm room, my dorm mate was like, do you-

Here, let's watch some standup. I didn't know you could just talk into a mic and tell jokes. Yeah, I kind of didn't either. Okay. Okay, so you really didn't know. Okay, you grew up in Jordan until when? High school. Okay, you really didn't know.

With sitcoms and comedy movies like Steve Martin, Marty Short, Mad About You, Fresh Prince. Oh, you're friends with Marty. I like that he called him Marty. Yeah. I read his autobiography. I would die if I met Marty Short. Is it good? It's incredible.

I cried so many times. I've met him before. I forget where though. I have this thing where when i meet famous people i black out where i met them because it's just too much for my brain it's very bizarre it's happened it's happened so frequently that it's just it is of note like there's something wrong with me that people that i i'm really admiring of because i know i've met him no you know what chris met him chris did um beauty and the beast live and he played lumiere and he was in a meeting with

him and david allen greer and it came out that he was my boyfriend and they were both huge fans and he came home to tell me martin short knew who i was and i was just like and i met martin short another time i just shook his hand really briefly at uh they were like doing a sound check at the beacon theater for their show and amy schumer was friends with them so we went and just watched from the audience. And I think we may have like shook their hand. But anyway, that's the same way I felt about stand-up. I didn't know that it was, I mean, I knew about it because I grew up and I saw it on TV and stuff.

And I have really a lot of intense memories of my dad laughing at wendy liebman a joke she did oh my god i love wendy liebman so much me too like and she's still cranking out amazing jokes on instagram like she's one of the best joke writers like her joke that is so subtle that you can roll your eyes at and be like well that's not that simple or that's not that hard it is hard she perfected what i do so much now which is just throw in one word at the very end and it changes the whole meaning of the joke i don't know if she was the first to do it but she's the first that popularized it i believe her and kevin nealon and a little bit of david spade on on um you know snl like i i saw the i saw the bodyguard this weekend

and i i want my money back right or you know but even like that's not even the perfect example but her joke that my dad laughed at was um you guys I just quit smoking crack and she just said it like you know just that and then all of a sudden it's like oh my god this that little line I just she's just amazing I met my husband online at the grocery store. We both know that. Just adding those little things. She's so kind offstage. I got to open for her and it meant so much to me.

And she was so kind. Yeah, I will never forget. Every female comic who is truly great is really, well, okay, I'm taking it back. Let's move on. I just was like, wait a second. I actually do really love some people that are totally not nice. Yeah. Okay.

But okay, so back to, and I want to say that actually Taylor Swift does the same thing that Wendy Lehman does a lot of like just changing something at the very end. Loss of My Life. I think we all got hit over the head thing that Wendy Lehman does a lot of like just changing something at the very end uh loss of my life I think we all got hit over the head for that like we all thought it was love of my life and then she switched it at the end and like oh my god through you know but daddy I love him no I'm not you know like that's not exactly it but just leading us somewhere and then pulling us back is a really great device that she's used a lot in this album but this song can I just interpret because some besties wrote to me being like we need to hear your thoughts on guilty of sin um i am so obsessed with the song it is so

hot it's so sexy all of these memes that are like taylor swift's written a thousand eleven hundred songs about boys breaking up with her but none about giving blow jobs maybe is there a problem like people send me that one all the time because it's like the it's one of the dumbest things that has ever been written it's funny i guess like i you know like if you it's the joke is she's getting broken up with because she doesn't give blowjobs but like who writes songs about blowjobs was like besides my milkshake brings all the boy like is that even a blowjob joke i don't know but um but it's the dumbest meme but i will say taylor swift is very sexual and you can post all of her awkward dancing you want and say oh this girl it doesn't have sex appeal she 100 does you have no idea in this song i've she's into some of the same stuff i think i'm

into and obviously i'm projecting and i want her to be just like me and I want to be just like her. So I'm going to find any way I can. So just know that I know that guys, but what if he's written mine on my upper thigh? That is some BDSM stuff. And I'm not saying that she's into that. I am not making any, I'm just saying as someone who is into that stuff, who does like to be the sub and who does like people to like own me and be like, you're going to do this writing mine on someone's upper thigh, which is a very sexy area. It's like pretty much your vagina is so hot and writing on someone. I mean, that is something I only really see in pornography when they write on women and write things. And it's just it's ownership it's like it's it's that sub dom kind of vibe and um and her song mine is you know like i thought about that too oh like it's reframing

that a little bit like and she writes on herself all the time we know that she's always written lyrics on her arms she writes 13 on her hands. This isn't out of the realm for her. So, like, of course our girl is using that kind of same fun thing of, like, writing on yourself in a sexual way. And let me just say, what if he's only written mine? She goes, she didn't say he only has. But what if? Like, what does that mean to you?

Like, what if he's, like, why didn't she say, you know, he's only written mine on my upper side, only in my mind or whatever. Like, she could have just stated that, but she's like, did it happen? And I maybe am missing, like, to me, it sounds like, did this only happen in my mind or did this happen? Could this have happened? Did it happen? Maybe like, you know, she's imagining things they never did.

So it's not saying that it's one of those things that could have, but I don't still know. What do you think, Nora? I agree with you. I think it's like in her, in her head, she wants it.

She's fantasizing about it and she's saying it. And anyone who's like, why doesn't she write songs about blowjobs? Like, first of all, this is an artist putting art out there. She does not need to do anything for you. All she needs to do is create art that comes out of her. That is her only job. Whether you like it or not, it is not up for criticism. Or, you know, when I write a joke or I write an hour, I don't have, like, I work, I typically work clean. It's not a constructive criticism in any way to be like, well, why don't you write about that?

Like, the comedy that comes out of me, the music that comes out of her is her art. We don't get to judge it like that. We don't get to say you didn't do this, you didn't do that. That's interesting because I definitely give her that. Like, when I listen to her, I i'm never like she owes me anything i don't ever feel like and i've been really adamant about that she literally owes us nothing she could put out a you know a album of whale sounds and we we would all be like okay but not for me but like you know she could do the andre 3000 thing of like putting out a flute album and it's like maybe not us, but it's what she wanted to do, then fuck it.

No complaints. Yeah. You can just say it's not for you, but she's allowed to do whatever she wants. Yes. But I will say, don't allow myself that same grace. I feel like a lot of times, and it isn't nice to do yourself as an artist,

of being like, I need to be more like this person. Man, I should have written a joke like that. I used to hear like, Nikki, you only told a little bit of the joke. We want to hear more. And there's something to that. But I always feel this pressure. Like this weekend I was performing in St. Louis. And I know based on, you know, every indication I get that when you go to a town, if you have jokes about the town, they love them more than anything else you'll say that night. You can have a closer that you have worked on for 10 years and you're

finally debuting it in the way that people haven't heard it before. And it's so perfect. And people will not remember it as much as you making a little comment about how their drivers are bad on this so-and-so road. And everyone's excited because this person knows, they know about that road. They know about King's Highway Boulevard or whatever it is. And so this weekend in St. Louis, especially my hometown show, it's a 4,500 seat venue,

which is bigger than anything I've ever played on my own anywhere really. And it was sold out. It was incredible. Thank you so much to everyone who came. So many Swifties who came so many swifties there's so many swifties but i felt such pressure because also my dad's there my dad is always like why don't you ever say anything about the town people love that and i'm like because i am i don't that's not the kind of comedy comedy i do like i don't i'm kind of like living life

with blinders on when i go when i land somewhere i don't like look around like it's not because i don't care it's just the way my brain is like I don't really notice differences in cities I'm not I'm not interested in cultural differences or architecture I'm just it's just not what I'm into I'd like like to go to my hotel room and sleep and so for me to write jokes about a town it stresses me out even though I know it's what people want and I know based on reading subreddits of other comedians like when comedians joke about a town, it also shows agility and a pliability of you being able to just come up with something on the spot.

And that really stresses me out because I don't think of myself as like an improv person. But for this weekend in St. Louis, I felt so much pressure to do St. Louis jokes because I'm from there. Like you don't get to excuse yourself and be like, I just got into town today. I need jokes about St. Louis. I don't have them. I have opinions do St. Louis jokes because I'm from there. Like you don't get to excuse yourself and be like, I just got into town today. Like I need jokes about St. Louis.

I don't have them. I have opinions about St. Louis, but they're not like fully formed jokes yet. And I, and so I decided to take the anti-hero song, which I know very well in guitar. And I pretty much just memorized her version of it that she played at the 1975 show.

It's one of the, it's the best acoustic. She's just incredible at acoustic performances uh performances her guitar styling is simple but it's not at all it's like it's really hard to learn like if you're a guitarist and you know your shit like people who don't know their shit say like she's not she they don't think she's a good guitarist because she uses a capo or whatever it is but her styling is just in it's off the charts and i mean this bitch learned learned guitar on a 12 string guitar because someone made fun of her and said you can't do a 12 string that's too much for you and she goes actually i'm gonna get a 12 string and

she was like 14 years old this is so hard to play anyway she's incredible i learned that version i wrote new lyrics to anti-hero about saint louis so i was able to make all and so i just was able to sing that song and get it out of the way. So I don't have to mention St. Louis ever again and I can just do my act. And that was literally only the reason I did it was because I just,

obviously I like to sing and all those things. I just wanted to give the people what they wanted, right? Like I wanted to do it with a broken heart. Not that I was broken hearted about it, but I just wanted to get that out of the way. Give my dad what he wants. But daddy, I love you. And here's the song.

Here's all the things about St. Louis. And I went a little too hard, I think, because I called St. Louis racist a lot, which it is. It's a very, very racist town. I don't partake in that. And I know most St. Louisans don't, but you got to admit, it's weird. And then I also made fun of some high schools. And just, you know, I maybe went a little too hard on us, but people seemed to like it. It's weird. And then I also made fun of some high schools and, um, and, and just, you know, I, I maybe went a little too hard on us, but people seem to like it, but it was me doing what I don't ever expect of Taylor, which is like, give me, give the people what they want, which

obviously she does. She delivers all the time, but, um, getting back into the song guilty of sin. I mean, my favorite part, I mean, it's one of my favorite parts just melodically in the whole album. There's so many. So I'll say this 20 times, but where she goes, these fatal fantasies, like the way she just like the it's kind of theory, but there's something very interesting and different about her voice in these songs. Like, she's really doing some different, like, she's just doing things with her voice she hasn't done before. But these fatal fantasies. And by the way, her range is out of control. I was, oh, oh, oh, Noor. I was at the dentist on Friday. And my mouth is open.

There are instruments inside of it. And the hygienist and the dentist were talking about the woman that was in the chair before me, which is some old woman who was complaining about the music that was playing because she really likes opera music. And so my dentist was like, why didn't you just ask Alexa, put on some opera music? And she was like, well, because I don't know. It could be like a kind she doesn't like i don't know opera so i just didn't so i just kept it playing and then she something she said something about she was like oh and she said that you know and we were talking about taylor swift and she was like you know saying like you know that girl can't sing and i'm like these fucking assholes this old dumb bitch who is obviously

very accomplished she's an opera singer the woman was like an uh an opera singer or something she thinks taylor doesn't have range you are so wrong have you not seen the tiktoks about taylor's range yeah it's insane and not only does she have range from what we've seen in different songs uh and we collect it all together she will go from very low to very high in the same song she's her voice is so nuanced she worked her ass off to get her voice to where it is she already was a naturally very talented singer as you can hear in her rendition of um there's nowhere to hide when she pushed my love aside she sings that like um sandy song from greece there's like a recording of her singing

when she was very young and her voice is sick, dude. It's so good. And that was before she had all this training. I mean, she probably had a little bit of training then, but after she performed at the Grammys and got panned by that guy who she wrote the song mean about, she did intense vocal training. And this girl, if you, I've done, I do vocal training. I know all the, I look at TikToks constantly about singing. She has perfect tongue placement, perfect mouth opening, perfect breath work. Like she, you don't understand what doing that stuff is like. It is like, you know, like you have to control so many different things and it's all mental, right? Like you're, it's so much work. She's now at a place where she can just do it naturally, but to get herself there was so much work.

I can't even do it. I'm a very hard worker. I'm really struggling to do it. So she's, you know, she's next level. And her voice should not be fucked with. Like, no one can talk shit about her voice. You literally don't have a leg to stand on because it's incredible. And what she does in this album with her voice, the nuance and the emotion that she conveys,

I don't give a fuck about comparing her to Beyonce or Ariana Grande. Honestly, you can be a belter. You can have all this range and all these different slides and like all these things. It sounds great. It's so impressive, especially looks impressive when you move your mouth around and you go and you put your hand on your ear. That's all performative. Taylor could do that, too. I you taylor can do it too yeah she doesn't do it

because she doesn't need to and also those women obviously are the best singers in the world but i find a lot more emotion in taylor's voice than i have in their voices and that's just my experience people definitely feel differently but that's the way I feel. And good singing does not mean you're just good at belting. Just because you're Leah Michelle does it like it's, it's all over the place. Bob Dylan's a good singer. So shut the fuck up everyone.

And I know no one listening to this thing. Say we're supposed to bad singer. I'm just talking into a fucking, no, there was a tick tock or like an Instagram reel that was like, yeah, she's like not a, and it's not even comparing her.

It's like the way she sings is's not even comparing her. It's like the way she sings is so emotional and makes you feel so connected. And if that's not the point of listening to music, then what is? I mean, so I say this because when she had, she had instruments in my mouth and she's talking to the dance and she goes, she says her range isn't very good. I go, and I literally, I go, it actually is really, really impressive range. That woman didn't know what she was talking about. They were like, are you a Swifty?

And I go, can you not tell by my hat and sweatshirt and earrings? And they were like, and then the dental hygienist ended up being a major Swifty. I kind of like asked her a little more questions. I'm like, bitch, why? Not bitch, bitch lovingly, because you're probably listening. But I was like, wait, why didn't you stand up to this woman? Because she's

a client. You can't be like, actually, she's a, even though I would and I'd get fired right away. By the way, I do have Torture Poets merch. I got my sweatshirt, black sweatshirt. I got earrings, which I'm obsessed with. They're studs that say TTPD. And then i got um a hat and which i love as well and let me just tell you thank you taylorswift.com you have stepped up the merch the sweater on or this sweatshirt i got a sweater for nor who's canadian it seriously got so many compliments this weekend my boyfriend who is like obsessed with aesthetics and obsessed with sweatshirts especially and like the vibe of them was like he thought it was like balenciaga like it's such a nice like it's and it's so nice i'm never washing it because i just

don't want it to lose i've been just tide penning it constantly um but she really stepped up her merch i think she read the complaints about like fading things and like and i don't think we're paying more for it i think she is probably taking a hit to make better made stuff because this batch of merch was incredible, and these earrings are amazing, and I'm dying to get the bracelet. I'm going to get the necklace, and I want to get the shorts.

I want it all. I want it all. I love it. Did you get anything? You were on stage, right, when it dropped or something? Yes. I'm so sad.

I was literally- It sucks. I know. If you're not on your phone right when it drops. I know, and I wasn't paying attention to my phone. I was literally it sucks I know right when it drops I know and I wasn't paying attention to my phone I was literally on stage for 20 minutes and then there's like I don't know like I don't know just like you sit down watched a little bit of the comic after me uh because like as a comic you want to see how this is an argument to be addicted to your phone

because you're gonna miss these drops and you can't get anything. Yeah, you can get the bracelet in extra large right now, but I can't do that. No, even there was this really incredible jacket, the black jacket. Did you see that? There was this jacket that had two patches on it. You could put the patches wherever and that was sold out too. Damn it.

No, it was so cool. Back to the song. Yes. My bedsheets are ablaze. I've screamed his name. The giving into the moans. Where's the moans thing? Giving way to labored breath. Labored breath is orgasm.

Like, it's just, it's so good. I can't, I choose you and me religiously. There's a lot of religious stuff going on in this album. That's a very false gaudy, right, from Lover? Oh, yeah, it really is. But I will say there's a lot of Catholic imagery that comes up later on. And I was like, is Joe Catholic? And he indeed is.

And so I think we need to look into that a little bit. Remember when she went to that funeral and she was like caught on a camera like on Zoom, like people, there was a tiny camera of her and she's resting her head on his it's his uncle's funeral and his uncle was like this like kind of high up in the Catholic Church. So he's Catholic. So I think there's, I think there's someone

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Okay, let's move on to Who's Afraid of Little Old Me, which is climbing my ranking so, so much. I mean, I am late to this. Everyone was on board with Who's Afraid of Little Old Me from the get-go. How are you feeling about it? It's in my top five for sure. Okay, yes. it's number two for me so this is like is it about kim is it about like the scandal was contained the bullet had just grazed at all costs keep your good name you don't get to tell me you feel bad i mean this is about

someone in the industry this is about her um talk like her leaping from the gallows and levitating down the street crashing the party like a record record scratch as i scream who's afraid of little old me i mean if you don't know that is a reference to like a witch being like who's afraid of little old me it's like she's again being this like i'm lurch i'm a monster lurching towards your favorite city it's like putting taylor in this kind of like goblin-esque like imagery of her being like and everyone's like kind of scared of her and then I love the turn of you should be because who's afraid of little me is a sarcastic thing like who's like kind of saying it like are you scared of little old me like and then her being like you should be is like really creepy and really fun. And I was tame.

I was gentle till the circus life made me mean. Okay. So she's admitting she's mean. She can be mean sometimes because guess what? Her life is fucking crazy and no one else alive or dead really can compare their lives to her. That's true. I mean, maybe Michael Jackson at one point, you know, like it just, there's, it's just her, the circus, this industry has made her who she is. We took out all her teeth. I mean,

who took out her, who took out her teeth? I'm wondering what that is. Well, at first it was the record labels who were like, you can't be political, right? You can't say anything about politics. So it's like the muzzle that they put on her that she said she removed and i remember reading on like you know that sirius xm channel that she has that this is a song about how society treats its artists like what we do to them we make them we love to see them in pain because we want to see the art that they make when they are in that state yeah i love I love it so much. I don't even know that it's that.

You know, it's probably a little bit of that. Like, I don't, there's a sick part of me that's like, oh, Taylor went through this breakup. Oh my God, I can't wait for the album. We all have a little bit of that in us. It's true. I think it's like, we just like to see, we are all so miserable.

We like to see people that we think are golden and have it so perfect. We like to see them suffer too. And it makes us feel less bad about not being as successful as they are well like I think we like we build people up because we love to look at someone who's so glamorous and who we can kind of fantasize about having their life but ultimately we are so jealous of them we want to take them we just we don't want them to be happy because we're so jealous like why can't that be me at least I

that kind of resonates with a really dark part of my soul right um but i love the bridge so tell me everything is not about me but what if it is okay you know i heard some complaint in some you know i was listening to some review that was negative and um i'm sorry i even gave it a view but um it was saying like how how like it was kind of making fun of her for saying this of like you're such a narcissist like you know but she kind of admits first of all she admits to being a narcissist she's uh my did you hear my covert narcissism um and then she says it again in um you're losing me i would marry me either a pathological people pleaser you know kind of like giving into those narcissist vibes of like there's something wrong with me a little bit i'm the best thing at this party but

i'm the best thing at this party by the the way, you definitely are, Taylor. There's no question. But I love that line. I love it because it also hearkens back. God, I love how every lyric of hers, I'm like, oh, it reminds me of this other one of you're on your own, kid, of like, you know, I searched the party of better bodies and realized my feelings aren't rare

or, you know, you didn't care. But guess what? When she's saying everything is not me or they said they they didn't do it to hurt me but what if they did everything kind of is about her like it she's not crazy to read into things absolutely and it gives me a little validation to read into her lyrics as much as i do because I feel like I'm the person that's like, but what if this is about, this isn't about Maddie, but what if it is? Like, it's okay for me to actually go there too. Like, yeah, it's not.

And I can read into it all day. She's kind of like giving us a little shout out here, I think, or at least empathizing with us making these wild assumptions. And you wouldn't less an hour in the asylum that they raised me. Oh, that one raised me oh that one killed me that line it's like all the young female well you sent me a really great text that a friend sent you which is like what if this is about olivia rodrigo right and it's like all olivia

and all these other young female singers would not last an hour in the like toxic media landscape she had to come up in as a young woman, which is so true. Well, I think it's, you know, no one would. You know, like, and, you know, first of all, a lot of women didn't, didn't, did come up in this and didn't make it out. I mean, like we know of starlets currently who are not doing well because they came up in this asylum. And so, you know, Taylor is a very strong person. She,

um, she's superhuman for sure. Mentally, physically, like someone, you know, her trainer just posted about her workout and said, anyone usually would do this,

would throw up every time. And she just doesn't, you know, like she just posted about her workout and said anyone usually would do this would throw up every time. And she just doesn't. You know, like she really is. It's next level. This girl, there's really nothing she can't do. I truly believe that if she wants to do, she could do anything she wants to do. I hope she never tries stand up. I'll be so humiliated at how good she is at it.

But yeah, like she, I loved that Monica Lewinsky posted a picture of the White House and wrote, you wouldn't last an hour in the asylum where they raised me. That was amazing. It was so good. That went viral this weekend. And then she goes, I think this is where I was kind of thinking about Kim. Because she's like, I'll sue you if you step on my lawn that I'm fearsome and I'm wretched and I'm wrong putting a cart narcotics into all of my songs like she got it kind of harkens to thank you amy where it's like i wrote a thousand songs that you think are uncool and like yeah those things that people are like why does everyone like her so much what

these like what's the what's going on what is people really are like is this is there something going on that is more than the music it's like no, no, it's just good. Why? She didn't trick us in any way. That's so insulting to think that we like Taylor Swift because she's like manipulating us or something. She is a mastermind. So I mean, fine. Manipulate me all day long. It feels real good. And here's the other thing is like going back to what you said of, well, when she's going through a breakup breakup we all know we're going to have a good album it's like well she writes things that were and she conveys emotions we're not going to get anywhere else in life we're not going to go to a movie we're not going to listen to another artist describe their feelings in the same way she does so it's just for like a breath of fresh air and it's relatable and it's like finally someone sees me and sees what i'm

going through and puts it in such a lovely melodically incredible song yes i love this song it's probably gonna be one of my favorites at some point okay next up i can fix him no really i can i was not feeling this song at all to the point where I like was every time it came on. It was a skip for me. It's too slow. I need things that like get my fucking heart rate going. I want to feel stressed out. I want to feel anxious.

It's too slow. Then someone really talked to me about it and convinced me that I should get into it. And I am probably halfway there. But it's it's it's not it doesn't it doesn't grip me the way that it has other people, but mad respect on this one. How do you feel about it? I love it. I love it. And I like that she's saying, it's like a reply to everyone saying, oh, this guy you're dating is horrible. And when she said, but your good Lord doesn't need to lift a finger, that line is incredible. Right i like that like can we talk about that line for a second that tells me taylor swift is not religious because your good lord like it's not like or she

i'm sure she's spiritual but it it made me feel good that like because i'm not someone who talks about the good lord and stuff like it made me feel good that she's talking about their good lord it does it's not hers because our, she would maybe say our good Lord, if she was buying into this, like pray for me bullshit. And I believe in prayer. I believe in a higher power and stuff,

but I feel like Taylor's not like into, um, you know, organized religion. And that kind of, that lyric saying your good Lord kind of made me feel that. I don't know if she intended that, but I, I love, I love that line as well. Yeah. Um, and to good, Lord, kind of made me feel that. I don't know if she intended that, but I love that line as well.

Yeah. And to me, it's also like, you have God on your side. Great. I don't even need God. I'm going to do it myself. Like, I know how to fix this man. And the narcissism coming out again,

which she definitely knows what she's saying here, which is like, she gets to it. No, maybe I can't. And and boy does she wait to hit that t on the can't at the very end i've listened to it so much because it she must have she probably did it in one take but that is a masterful that she does not just know really i can't like she goes can't yeah like when do you leave but it doesn't sound like she's trying to hold it it's just perfect but i love how she goes on a six lane texas hawaii like i love the like drunk you know the western drawl she's getting into um and then i also love his hands so calloused from his pistols

softly traces hearts on my face i felt that for a second he was tracing hearts with his pistol And I was like that is so fucking crazy But then obviously not And then Yeah I love it Dopamine she's talking about That's She chases dopamine too Clearly

Let's move right along to Love of My Life L-O-M-L is really what the title is called I love this song so much um it's a sad it's uh yeah it's just it's so great it gripped me right away it's a slow song but it's just so sweet and um uh i i think it's about i think it's about m i I really do. 100%. Because I think that, and I've seen all of these lists of like, this is about J, this is about M. And I'm like, no, you're getting these wrong.

This is about M because Mr. Steal Your Girl Then Make Her Cry, Talking Rings and Talking Cradles. I mean, I'm sure Joe talked about that stuff with her, but something counterfeit is dead. I don't think we're getting anything about Joe being counterfeit. No, and remember how I texted you about Glitch? Glitch has the word counterfeit in it, and Glitch is about him. And Glitch is about, why do we know that Glitch is about him again?

She's like, you don't live in my part of town because he lives in london like and when she's like you know and then um situationship i'm in or depending what's in my system it's like they've been in a 10 year long situationship and i think there's been a glitch we were only supposed to be friends now i'm fastening myself i found another one what nights are so starry and then she goes i thought i was better safe than starry eyed we're getting starry twice both in glitch and this yes um i i love it just you low down boy you stand up guy i like that she says stand up i feel like it's the same feeling i got when she said st louis i'm just like oh she said what i do um you holy ghost you told me i'm the love of your life okay when um oh my god my favorite lyric i think i just love my favorite melody is you sent a file in

black and white all those plot twists dynamite mr steal your girl then make her cry but then i love um oh god where is it oh uh where she says what a bland goodbye oof and we we know he ghosted her that's what we at least we don't know this but that's kind of what we think a bland goodbye that makes me think of ghosting and the just the bland goodbye she's so disappointed her her voice is just conveys so much disappointment and just like what the fuckness in this song i love it so much um i'll never leave never mind like she's coming through all the lies it's just so good um and then let's finish this pod on i can do it with a broken heart oh what a good one what an this is my number one right now the bop of the whole album yeah you know it's giving us the

beats per minute that we need um and it gets chaotic at the end it turns into like a fun house like i'm looking at the chords to play it on the guitar and it just changes into chords you've never even like c sharp major seventh and i'm just like i can't even like the song gets so insane at the end um but i love this song so much um obviously it's about performing when she was feeling sad it's obviously something that i sensed when i went to era's tour in june and july i even said it on my podcast there is like evidence to prove that i definitely thought she was a little bit sad during before she met travis and post june early june breakup with maddie and um and even probably when uh before maddie even though i think she jumped kind of

right into maddie after joe i would just guess because i think he was kind of you know on deck they were already dating by April 8th when the news broke that she and Joe had broken up. She and Maddie had already been dating. Yeah. Yeah. So she, which is a very common thing. There's no part of me that's like, wait, what? How did you go to him so fast? Yeah, because that's what happens when relationships end, you find something else. My old therapist used to say, sometimes you just need another lily pad to get you to get out of the thing that otherwise you'll stay forever.

Some people need it. It doesn't make you a bad person. You just need it. So if by any chance she was talking to Maddie at the end of her relationship with Joe, usually relationships do not end until they've actually been dead for kind of like a couple months at least.

So I don't fault anyone for finding people in that those months where people it's dead beforehand I know it's not on paper a good thing to do but I literally don't care at all when people do it it's what they need to do to leave it's too hard to leave someone so like I have no judgment if that's what happened I'm not saying that's what happened I literally have no clue but I will say that there was no lily pad after Matt Maddie jumped out and then we had about a month and a half before she i think got into it with travis and he you know made the friendship bracelets and everything um but this song i just love watching the lyric video for it on um youtube

that she made because it's just all footage from eras and it's really well done i recommend it it's like a music video for it um because it's not like repeating the same thing as most of her lyric videos do. And it's just all like these classic moments from the Aeroscore movie. I haven't watched that. I'm going to watch that as soon as we hang up. It's not like just repeating the same, you know, you know,

fucking grass by a lake swaying back and forth. It's which I love her lyric videos, no shade. But this one has different footage the whole time. It's really fun. And yeah, I mean, who doesn't really, I think everyone's been like, Nikki, you must relate to the song so much.

And yes, I do because I perform with a broken heart a lot and not just broken heart, just like depressed or like whatever things. But this, and this reminds me of that moment in the Katy Perry documentary where Russell Brand breaks up with her and she's about to go out to perform for 60,000 people in Brazil. Like it's like a big, big show. And she's just like crying in the wings, like under the stage.

And then all of a sudden she like comes up in the lights and she's got like this swirling like whipped cream on her tits. And it's just so funny that she's like crying with this ridiculous outfit on. And then she just like lights up and is like, you know,ia girls or whatever and she can do it with a broken heart so some people have put that song over that moment which i thought was really funny yeah um but yeah this is she's don't worry about her she can she'll always be able to give us the show you know what i would have i just want to know if she's able to like forget about her broken heart when she's up there like does the adrenaline make her have a really good time because i i do believe she's having a great time but that doesn't and as a performer myself when i'm really depressed and going

through something i think the adrenaline will take me out of it especially when i'm in shoe pain my shoes will hurt so much off stage i walk on stage for an hour and a half. They do not hurt at all. And then the second I step into the wings, they start fucking throbbing. Like I have to kick them off violently. And just two seconds before, I was like, didn't feel them at all. So you can numb out on stage and have a really good time.

I wonder if she's able to do that or if she's just truly faking it the whole time. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I can't know. Yeah. I mean, I can't tell. That's the thing. The only times I can tell is when she does the surprise songs and then we see a bit of emotion there.

Oh, and then we see it breakthrough. Yeah. Like when she's saying, what's that song she has with Zayn Malik? Oh, I was there for that song. I can't believe that. Uh,

Oh, Oh, Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, that one. Yeah, we all know it. I don't know why it's not coming. So much emotion. She's in the green dress, and it's like she's going to cry. Yeah, that one was probably June or July. Post-Maddie.

Before Travis, because I was there, and that was like the month I was going a ton. And yeah, okay. july post maddie or travis because i was there and that was like the month i was going a ton and um yeah okay so we're let's finish on this i have some questions from besties that uh i thought we could just address people wanted to hit these topics um someone said we need you to go through every album now yes we totally want to do that. Someone said, how does Taylor have this many feelings for Mattie Healy if they dated for like two months? I think we all know the answer to that. It's like, I mean, I could write so many songs

about the two week thing that I went through because it was just so heightened and it went away so fast and it was so disruptive. It was like, it's like a car crash. Car crashes happen in like 0.25 seconds and the immense damage can be done um but and and you know we got lover out of her love for joe and um we got a lot of good love songs but the there's just something you know

i think it makes sense if you've been through it i think everyone's talked about this ad nauseum on online but of course um short things are going to bring elicit more emotions than long steady secure things and over so many songs she said it was like a meteor rise and she's felt that she's never felt that before that one thing with him and we know that it was a 10-year thing and she kept going back to him and comparing everyone she dated to that little stint she had dating him in 2014. And I, it's the same thing. It's like, we can all relate to someone who like you felt so many emotions with, it went over, it ended quickly, but it doesn't mean that it wasn't meaningful or didn't like, you know, mean as much. Honestly. It's just, and again, it doesn't matter.

It just, because it did, because it was more, it just stirred up more emotions. Because that's just, sometimes there's not an explanation. Because it did, I can't help my feelings. I would also say that like, you can't help what you feel. If you don't understand that yet, like you really need to go to therapy. Because it helped, it took me so long to figure out that my feelings weren't wrong. That you literally can't help what you feel. If you don't understand that yet, like you really need to go to therapy because it helped, it took me so long to figure out that my feelings weren't wrong

that you literally can't help them. When people try to go like, why do you feel that way? I don't really care about people's opinions about my feelings anymore. If I cry, I get embarrassed sometimes if I cry or if I get upset

or if I get angry about something, but I'm not, I can't help them. I'm not choosing to be sad right now i'm not choosing to be depressed i'm not like no one would choose that so you got you got to really understand you can't help your feelings it's not you can't help your thoughts there's not something you're in control of so stop trying to analyze it and stop trying to make yourself feel bad about why you feel this why did i feel so strongly about this guy that was only two weeks yes because you

did and because you're not in control up there whatever your feelings are not in your control if they were we would all be a lot like more secure and steady in our lives but they're just not and they are taylor doesn't have control over them either um okay so someone said um the we'll get to the prophecy um how do you think this will fit into the heiress tour um and this was written these questions were written before obviously the easter egg came out in her um video her reel this weekend or on her stories of we saw a torture to poets department uh thing on like a railing um i have to say i think she's going but daddy i love him Love Him, Little Old Me. No. I Can Do With a Broken Heart would be hilarious for her to sing at Eras,

but I think she might go there. And I think My Boy Breaks is only his toys. What songs do you think? I think she's going with kind of my top three or four. Well, there was, she added four or five songs from Tortured Poets to those Apple Music playlists. So people are saying that those songs that she added could be the ones that she's playing.

I think she'll play Fortnite because it's the lead single. My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys. I think she'll sing Down Bad, But Daddy I Love Him. And hold on, was there one more? I can do it. It would be really fun. Yes. Yes.

Um, those are my predictions. Someone said, so high school guilty of sin. What other songs are about Travis? Um, guilty of sin is not about Travis. It's about Maddie.

Yeah. I would, I would bet everything on that. Um, I think alchemy is about Travis. Is there any debate about that, Noor? Not that I know. No, I think it's been, scientists have concluded.

I mean, touchdown. I mean, she says touchdown. Let's move on. And the trophy. I don't know. Yeah, and the trophy. And then the end of But Daddy, I Love Him is also about Travis, as we covered on last time's episode. Do you think we are getting a third version of this album on May 3rd, Noor?

I don't know, Nikki. I know I'm supposed to have an opinion. I'm just so scared of this woman and her mind and what she puts us through that I think something is going to happen on Friday, May 3rd. I just don't know what it is. What do you think? Okay. I think so because this girl knows no limits and there is, we have not still gotten the acceptance part of the stages of grief. Someone had written that out and was like, there's no acceptance part. I think, I can't imagine that she's written more songs, but yes, I can. Of course she has.

I don't, it just doesn't feel like all the evidence that people are presenting does not seem overt enough. And Taylor is not, she's cryptic for sure. But I think that some people read into things a little too much and she's not that cryptic. Like she's not like everyone should be able to break the codes that she's

doing. And some people are going really hard I'm like but there's a picture of her with Haim and there's three of them so that means there's a third I'm like no I just don't see that kind of stuff so I'm hoping I'm fingers crossed that there's more because I would just love for people to be like so like more really like people who don't like her to just be like i know because they're so jealous that they could never do what she's doing which is put out three albums like they're just everyone's so anyone who talks shit about her is so fucking jealous do you think and i like seeing people get upset what are the chances it'll be a reputation re-record on friday um that that's a good that's a good chance although i don't think she would like lump this it like let's get this why would she get take away this moment from this album it's just

came out you're right you're right you're right you're right i want her to wait on that because i want to have fun with that and you know it's a even though this album does really remind people of reputation a lot and we kind of be staying with similar themes i'm guessing but i don't i don't know i just just can't take it. Someone just asked, what is the most part of the, I can do it with a broken heart, what lyric resonates with you the most? You feel this way too.

You get depressed. You perform with a broken heart. I'm so depressed. I act like it's my birthday every day. Okay, what do you think about that lyric? What does that mean to you? It means you're so, it's living with depression, but having to go on stage and make people laugh

and live a life and be on social media. But what does the birthday part mean? Like, is she acting like it's her birthday to get out of depression? Or is she acting like it's her birthday because she has to perform and that looks like, oh, it's my birthday. It's that one, right?

Yes, exactly. That's what people I think are confused about, about that lyric. And I want to actually say, I with that when you are performing everyone's looking at you everyone's admiring you you're all dressed up um and it does feel like your birthday that's why i don't like to celebrate my birthday because i get it so often that's why i don't like i don't want a wedding i don't want i don't like parties that aren't like me performing because i'm like i don't deserve this i didn't i'm doing anything. So and every night does feel like my birthday. I get so much attention. So I think that's what she's talking about when she says I act like it's my birthday. It could be her. She really likes birthdays, though. So it could be her being like trying to get her out of it. Like, okay, I'm trying to act like it's my birthday every day. But I think it's for me, I at least relate to I have to put on a dress and get all gussied up.

The way I see girls on Instagram do only on their birthdays or special occasions when the girls are going out. I have to do that three times a week. Yes. And say hi to everyone and like, oh, my God, welcome to my party, which is a great, great thing to do. And it's so much fun because who doesn't want to be their birthday three days a week? But that is what I think that do. And it's so much fun because who doesn't want it to be their birthday three days a week? But that is what I think that is. And because I'm miserable.

And nobody even knows. I love that. I don't relate to that because people do know I'm miserable because I talk about it a lot. And now we know that Taylor is miserable. So, like, I think this is a little bit reminds me of Thank You, Amy, where it's like, she's saying a thing that we may be used to assume, but now we definitely know. Like where she's saying, like, your daughter will come home and sing a song that only you and I know is about you. And it's like, no, everyone knows now. But I think previously that lyric would have been true when she wrote it. It was true.

But now that it's out, it's no longer true. We do know now. Now we can. I still think she'll be able to hide being miserable and we'll all assume she's doing great because she's so good but i related to that as well and um i'm so obsessed with him but he avoids me that is crazy that she could be obsessed with someone and they avoid her i mean it's just if that doesn't make you feel seen as a woman who's felt like kind of ghosted or like been like he won't write back to me. Taylor Swift is like looking at her text

being like, when is he writing me back? And getting these dopamine hits when she does see his name. Like she's just like us. Yes, exactly. I laughed so hard when I was at Eras in Melbourne because I was with my friend who we were, you know, we were all gushing about Travis. And at one point she like, you know, Taylor left the stage to transition to the next era. And my friend was like, do you think she's backstage texting Travis? Like, it's going really well. Which makes me laugh so hard because what is it not going well for her? But can you imagine her?

Someone handing her a phone and she's like, we're just about to get to speak now. It's going really great. Like I would about something I was doing one time. That made me laugh so hard to picture her going like, it's going so well tonight, even though I do this fucking three times a week and I've never once stumbled. And when I did, it was the cutest stumble ever. Like, I like those, the errors tours compilations

because they're so adorable. She fucking never fucks up. When she does, she just like says like, my space instead of my face. And everyone's like, whoa. It's of my face and everyone's like whoa it's like i she's just so flawless even her errors are like spot on and perfect i've watched that video like maybe a hundred times the my space and then she giggles yeah and the dancers giggle it's so good oh and i've watched um the first time she did uh he's the guy on the Chiefs coming straight home to me.

Like, each of the dancers, like, sees her do it, like, hears it and goes like, oh, shit! And they, like, all react. That is such a fun one to watch, too. Yes. And when she, like, I hate watching her fuck up. I just don't, I don't enjoy, I literally kind of avoid them if I can. I don't want to see her, you know, step over words or whatever.

And she never does. But there's that one where she's like, I keep this side. And she does that like sidestep and she slips because it's like raining. And it's so cute. And she fixes it perfectly. And she just like kind of laughs at herself. And it's just so cute.

And then when her fucking heel fell off and she's walking around, like it's still on. No one even noticed. That was amazing. And she threw that heel into the audience. I can't believe that heel hasn't surfaced and someone hasn't made like a video with it. Oh, no. They got me.

Okay. We've got to go. Okay. Oh, he does? He does. And he's never selling it. Oh, good. I've never seen it.

Okay. You got to send me that. Yeah. Everyone, thank you for listening to this one. If you made it this far, you are true Swifty. Keep sending me, you know, reels and memes that you see on Instagram. I. If you made it this far, you are true. Swifty keep sending me, um, you know, reels and memes that you see on Instagram. I love when you guys DM me those. I don't always have the time to watch them all,

but I, I love any kind of Taylor Swift thing that you might, you think that I might not have seen. Same with nor follow nor N O U R H A D I D I nor Hadidi on Instagram. Um, thanks so much. Nor we'll, um,

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