The NPR Politics Podcast - Weekly Roundup: Thursday, July 11

Episode Date: July 12, 2019

President Trump announced Thursday he would sign an executive order to obtain data about the U.S. citizenship and noncitizenship status of everyone living in the United States. Plus, 2020 candidates unveil plans to tackle racial inequality. This episode: White House correspondent Tamara Keith, White House reporter Ayesha Rascoe, political editor Domenico Montanaro, and political reporter Asma Khalid. Email the show at [e-mail]. Find and support your local public radio station at npr.org/stations.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Hey, this is Sydney from Huntsville, Alabama, who just got back her AP Government and Politics exam score. Five out of five, so thank you guys. And who's also about to sit down to watch the Women's World Cup final. This podcast was recorded at 6.22 p.m. on Thursday, the 11th of July. Things may have changed by the time you hear this, but hopefully the USA will be the champions. And they are the champions. They did, they won.

It was awesome. And there was a ticker tape parade. They made it look easy and that was the hardest part. But you know what? There should have been a ticker tape parade for her five out of five on an AP exam. That was pretty impressive.

Very impressive. Very impressive. I can't do that. I've never gotten a five. No, no, I don't think I did. Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. I'm Tamara Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Ayesha Roscoe. I also cover the White House. And I'm Domenico Montanaro, political editor. And President Trump is backing down on his effort to get a citizenship question added to the 2020

census. He appeared in the Rose Garden a short time ago to make this announcement. Of course, he did not get up there and say he was backing down. He actually got up and said, I am not backing down. I was going to say it didn't sound like he was backing down. No. Today, I'm here to say we are not backing down on our effort to determine the citizenship status of the United States population. I stand before you to outline new steps my administration is taking to ensure that citizenship is counted so that we know how many citizens we have in the United States. Make sense? Aisha, you were there? I was there and it was just to set the scene a little bit. It was very cloudy, thunderstorms, and we were out in the Rose Garden. And President Trump was out there with Attorney General William Barr and with Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross.

So basically, he said that he would not pursue getting the citizenship question on the 2020 census. What the president and Attorney General Barr admitted was there just wasn't time to do that. They basically said that there would be too many legal challenges if they tried to come up with another reasoning for putting the question on the census. You may remember that the Supreme Court said that for now they couldn't add the question. So instead, President Trump said that he was going to try to get this citizenship information another way. I am hereby ordering every department and agency in the federal government to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records

regarding the number of citizens and non-citizens in our country. They must furnish all legally accessible records in their possession immediately. Now, what Hansi Lo Wong, who is our colleague who has been covering the census very closely for about a year, said is that the Commerce Department already has the ability to get all this information, so he doesn't really understand what's new here. No, and the fact of the matter is this is what the president wound up doing is coming to the conclusion that everybody else did two weeks ago when the Supreme Court came out with its ruling that said that this had to go back to the lower courts. The administration was free to come up with a new reasoning that, quote, wasn't contrived,

as Chief Justice John Roberts said about the prior reasoning, which would have been really difficult to do because they would have had to go against their prior reasoning. Once that happened, all of us looked at each other and said, well, there's just not enough time to get this on the census. Everyone knew that, apparently, except for the president until today. And it was interesting because Barr, he said that the media was speculating and hysterical. And when they said that President Trump was going to try to news reports about the Commerce Department dropping his quest to put the citizenship question on the census is fake. And we are absolutely moving forward as we must. So he is the one who stirred the pot.

And even his own Justice Department wasn't really clear on what he was talking about then. And even people around the White House weren't clear. But later it became clear that they were going to try to put the question on the 2020 census. It never really made sense how they were going to do that logistically. But they kept but Trump himself said that maybe they would do an addendum. That was Trump. Well, and even as President Trump was tweeting that thing, the Commerce Department had started printing the census. They said there was a deadline of July 1st that they needed to get this material out there because it takes a really long time to gather all of this information. But I want to say something else

about this executive order, because the president is saying, hey, all these federal agencies, give us all of your potential documentation and databases to say, let's count how many citizens are in the country. Guess what? That's exactly what the Census Bureau and the Commerce Department said could have been done last year instead of going to the Supreme Court with this. And then on Friday of last week, we had the president say that he wanted to do this because you had to have an accurate count so that you could, you know, redistrict for redistricting. That's not at all what the reason was that the administration used to go before the Supreme

Court. So he was coming up with something completely new and something that a lot of people who were against having this question on the census thought was the actual motivation in the first place. Let's just go back to basics really quickly. What is the census supposed to count and how is that supposed to be used? Well, it's supposed to every 10 years have an accurate count of all persons residing in the United States. This is not a question that's supposed to be about citizens only in the United States. Now, some conservatives don't like that idea because that gives more resources, more political power to places that have more people in the country who are not citizens. Is this kind of a pattern for Trump or it seems like this is kind of a pattern for Trump, right, Tam? You mean declaring victory in the face of defeat? Well,

yes. Yeah. So he does that a lot and he's done that most of his life, you know, from his business bankruptcies where he said that it wasn't a loss after all, to the Affordable Care Act, where he came out and said, yeah, okay, I know that our Republican congressional effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act didn't work and it failed, but, you know, maybe that's good after all. Perhaps the best thing that could happen is exactly what happened today, because we'll end up with a truly great health care bill in the future after this mess known as Obamacare explodes. And that's really different than past presidents, obviously, because most of them kind of take their ball and go home and move on to other things they can win,

right? Right. But President Trump does not take his ball and go home exactly because he keeps pushing on it. He's still trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act now through a court process rather than through legislation and take the the border wall. He shut the government down to try to get funding for the border wall, didn't get that funding and then did a an emergency declaration to go around Congress to try to fund border wall building. It's held up in court in some areas, but not in others. There is some wall being built and he can say that it is. This is, as you say, so different from George W. Bush, who failed on Social Security and moved on. Bill Clinton, who failed on health care.

President Obama, who failed on immigration and guns. And instead of returning to past defeats, they kind of just moved on to try to make progress in areas where they thought they could get some wins. And mitigate the political damage so that they could, you know, keep whatever political capital they have and try to apply it to something else. I think Trump's political calculus is different. And it's that he wants to be seen as fighting. And he always says, what are promises made, promises kept. And he wants to say that every promise he's ever made, he has kept. And so I think for him, it's more important to say, I did do it in a if you look at it in a very particular way, basically the way he wants you to look at it.

I actually I fought or I fought as hard as I possibly could. And those horrible courts, they just stopped me. But I really but I fought as hard and I'm still fighting for you. All right. We are going to take a quick break. And when we get back, the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates present their plans to deal with racial inequality. CLR gets rid of household grime using natural ingredients, not harsh chemicals. It even carries the EPA's Safer Choice Seal. Use it to dissolve calcium, lime, and rust all around your house. Go to clrbrands.com today to learn more about how to keep your piece of the planet muck-free.

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So let's just dive right back into this. We're going to spend some time now talking about 2020, and we're starting with Pete Buttigieg. This morning, the South Bend mayor was on NPR's Morning Edition, and he released new details about his plan to combat racial inequality. Here's how he described it. What we've learned is that the inequities that we have in our country were put in intentionally by generations and sometimes centuries of racist policy, they're not going to go away just because you replace a racist system with a neutral one. We need to intentionally invest in health, in homeownership, in entrepreneurship,

in access to democracy. If we don't do these things, we shouldn't be surprised that racial inequality persists because inequalities compound. And Asma, he's calling this the Douglas Plan. That's right. After abolitionist Frederick Douglas. And he's really talking about sort of a huge change. He feels like we need structural changes to the ways that we deal around with race. And I mean, look, this is a really ambitious, comprehensive plan. It talks about racial gerrymandering. It talks about abol gerrymandering. It talks about abolishing the death penalty. It talks about improving fair housing for African-American communities,

more money to historically black colleges and universities. It's a sort of a big, broad, comprehensive plan. But in some ways, it's also kind of this like intellectual, philosophical document in the sense that I feel like it's very ambitious, but it doesn't necessarily maybe get into as many dollars and cents as we've seen from some of the other candidates. Well, that's sort of his style, though, right? He has often said, like, we can talk about plans later. Yeah, but he's making some serious targets on this. You know, he outlined some of this

previously a couple of weeks ago at the Rainbow Push Coalition, which is headed by Jesse Jackson. And, you know, some of what he mentioned this morning are things that he said there, like, for example, mandating 25 percent of government contracts, for example, going to minority owned businesses. He also talked about trying to reduce the incarceration rate by 50 percent. And one of the things that he said that would lead to that is by legalizing marijuana. Yes. And eliminating incarceration for drug possession at the federal level. So Aisha, he is a mayor of a mid-sized city, South Bend, Indiana, and he has been having some really serious issues at home. So he's had issues at in South Bend.

Just recently, a white police officer shot and killed a black man. This has been an ongoing issue with between the community, the black community in South Bend, not trusting police officers and feeling like they are the victims of violence at the hands of police officers. To quickly piggyback on what you're saying, Aisha, also, I mean, he was criticized for firing the city's first black police chief. So part of his relationship is so tense because that's one of the things that happened very early on in his tenure as mayor there in South Bend. And so that's the issue. And he was asked about this at the debate. And what he said was he couldn't get it done, that this was important and that he worked on it, but he just couldn't get it done when it came to hiring more black police officers. So I think when you look at a plan like this and this is very ambitious, there are going to be questions for all for all candidates about how they can get it done.

But I think particularly for him is, OK, what evidence do you have that you would be able to get this done? You were the mayor of a town and this is a town with specific issues dealing with race and you weren't able to get it done there. So how are you going to get it done on a national level? Well, and let's make something very clear. African-American voters are a very important part of the Democratic electorate. Yeah. And he's polling close to zero with them. So, you know, the fact of the matter is that's the whole reason why he's doing some of this, because these candidates need a path to the nomination. And, you know, once you get out of Iowa and New Hampshire, which are pretty lily white, you know, you're going to South Carolina,

which is 61 percent African-American voters in a Democratic primary. And then you have the entirety of the South, which when you're looking at Southern voters in a Democratic primary, they're overwhelmingly African-American. So for Pete Buttigieg to have a path out of the early states, he's going to need to be able to win over black voters. And as Aisha mentioned, when he's been in the news for racial tensions in his hometown, that makes it difficult for him because he hasn't been otherwise known very widely on a national scale before getting into this race. Now, he is not the only candidate who is talking about issues of racial inequity. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we've heard a number of plans from candidates this cycle talk about plans, maybe not perhaps as comprehensive direct appeals. I think this is really a sort of a broad based plan that's a very direct appeal. He sort of sees it as an agenda for black folks in the country. But I will say that you saw Kamala Harris come out with a plan recently around housing discrimination. She's committing to investing $100 billion to provide down payment assistance to millions of people who live in historically redlined districts,

which means that basically there were neighborhoods in which a number of African-American families just could not get loans. And, you know, Elizabeth Warren, she's come out with a plan to boost the wages of women of color. She's also promising a set of executive actions that would deny federal contracts to companies that have a poor record of diversity. She's talked about investing a bucket load of money, $7 billion, into a small business fund to help entrepreneurs of color. I mean, we could go kind of on and on, but I feel like there's a whole bunch of plans. And I think what seems to be different this time around with these campaigns is that they are they do seem to be specifically making a case to black voters about what they will do for them. But there, I think, has been a feeling and what you will hear from folks is that the black vote at times seems to have been taken for granted. And now black voters are demanding more specific action than just kind of a general will rising tides will lift all boats type thing. Let's make a hard turn here and talk about another thing on the campaign trail. We have started to get numbers, fundraising numbers for the second quarter of this year and fundraising numbers matter because they tell you a lot about the level of support that a candidate has. And Domenico, I'm hoping you can run us through the numbers.

But just to start, Mayor Pete Buttigieg is in the lead by the math with twenty four point eight million dollars in that second quarter. Yeah. Just to run you through some of the top people, like you said, Buttigieg at $24.8 million, former Vice President Joe Biden, $21.5 million, Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, $19.1 million, which was a very good quarter for her, beat expectations. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator, at $18 million, and Senator Kamala Harris of California at $12 million. And that's about all we know for the people who've raised a significant chunk of money. You know, the thing that's really surprising about Buttigieg here is his fundraising numbers are out of sync with his poll numbers. His poll numbers are OK. You know, he's in the bottom of the top tier, you could say.

But his fundraising is tops. Is that because Buttigieg has been able to win over some people with real amounts of money, maybe in Silicon Valley and some of that? I would say, you know, part of it also is that he has a really well-connected network. I've been talking to a number of people just on background who kind of know him from his past. I mean, this is a guy who went to Harvard. He worked at this very lucrative consulting firm, McKinsey, and he was a Rhodes Scholar. He studied at Oxford. And people will say like he has this lucrative network that he's able to tap into that perhaps some of the other candidates do not have access to as much. Yeah, he's speaking to the donor base. The donors love him. They love when they hear him talk. And it's not the same as, you know, he hasn't quite caught

on more broadly. And it's not that his poll numbers are terrible. They're pretty good. But again, we were talking about African-Americans. That has been one source of a problem for him is being able to win over voters of color. of the candidates who are doing big dollar fundraisers along with their small dollar fundraising, like Buttigieg and Biden. And then there are people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Yeah. Who made a very different choice. Who exactly who are not doing those high dollar fundraisers, who, you know, Elizabeth Warren really publicly made this statement that she was not going to engage in that. And her campaign's argument is that this allows us more time to do other things. It allows us to take a selfie with every last person at an organizing event, right? And so this is her argument that it's been able to help bring in the small dollar money. And her campaign will see this as a way that they're really building grassroots organizing

strength and they're energizing people to build a stronger long term campaign. I guess we'll see how that all plays out in the in the months ahead. But so far this cycle, it seems like she was able to do pretty successful with that strategy. Well, and I mean, significantly, she was able to beat out Bernie Sanders, who is competing with her in that progressive lane and who's also, you know, going after the twenty seven dollar donation. Right. That's his whole thing. Hers was $28 per contribution. And I don't think his was actually $27 this year. This time?

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think it was a little lower. It was actually lower. It was like $20 in the first quarter. I mean, there is, I think we're going to see an ongoing kind of competition between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as this campaign heats up. We are already seeing that competition, I would say, in the poll numbers.

And I think we're going to continue to see a competition between the two of them for some similar voters. It's not all, but some. Now, Aisha, we also got fundraising numbers from someone else. Yes, President Trump and the Republican Party. Now, these were Whopper numbers. Can I call it Whopper? I think Whopper is a word. Does he like Whoppers? It's not just a burger. Does he serve them? Oh, I think he does like Whoppers, but it is a Whopper of a number. He's more of a McDonald's guy. I like Whoppers too, but I'm not big on Big Macs.

But I digress. A hundred and five million dollars in the second quarter. That is a lot of money. That's a lot of money. A lot of money. And that's a mix. That is a mix of small donors and large donors. It does combine the Republican Party with President Trump. But guess what? The Republican Party and President Trump

are combined. They're operations. They share space. They are a combined operation. So much more money than if you add up the amount that Buttigieg, Biden, Warren, Sanders and Harris got collectively. That's amazing. You know, it's not quite apples to apples because they are able to take in above the contribution limits that a normal campaign would take because the Trump victory fund and the RNC can take in all that money and combine them. So he can go to an event and say, give me, you know, five thousand dollars and like it can go to both. They can split the above the first twenty eight hundred dollars will then go. Leftovers can go to the RNC. But that is the advantage that a president has who's running for reelection. The Democrats don't get to do that

until they pick a nominee next year. Right. But just to compare, so President Obama's reelection campaign reported about $46 million in the second quarter of 2011. So this is a lot of money. And I mean, this was the campaign, but Trump raised a lot of money and the Republicans did. Before we go to Can't Let It Go, we have one more piece of business to take care of. We have lost a candidate. Who knows? And the first to drop out was Eric Swalwell. California congressman from the East Bay of California.

This makes perfect sense. This is great music for it. I hope we do hear this every single time. Oh, we are going to hear this every single time. Because there are two dozen candidates. And Tom Steyer got in to the race. Meaning you add what you left. Yes. They did a little tactic. A Californian. They did a, they completely balanced each other out.

And you know, what you guys hear when you go on the campaign trail, people are saying they just feel like there are too many candidates. We should explain. So Tom Steyer is this billionaire philanthropist who initially had said he was not going to run for president. He was gave this very public announcement that he was instead going to focus his efforts elsewhere, focus his efforts on impeaching the president. But he's now had a change of heart. Right. And it's going to be running for president. Eric Swalwell's big line from the debate was pass the torch. Joe Biden was right when he said it was time to pass the torch to a new generation of Americans 32 years ago. He's still right today. If we was time to pass the torch to a new generation of Americans 32 years ago. He's still right today.

If we're going to solve the issues of automation, pass the torch. If we're going to solve the issues of climate chaos, pass the torch. And pass it to Tom Steyer. Sort of. Yeah. Well, look, he tried to say that, you know, restricting gun violence was his top issue. You know, he launched just miles from Parkland, where there was that mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

And he tried to run on, you know, getting guns out of schools in particular and to have fewer guns in American society. He did raise the issue, but it wasn't able to be something, obviously, that he felt could propel him further with two dozen candidates in the field. All right. Well, bye-bye-bye, Eric Swalwell. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye.

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Domenico, what can't you let go of? Well, you know, in presidential campaigns, slogans are really important, right? I mean, President Trump has been struggling with this. Is it make America great again again? Is it keep America great? Hashtag CAG. CAG. You know, I don't think he really loves it.

But anyway, the point is someone this week decided to make it go around social media that we could all have our own 2020, you know, slogans. And the way this works, and I saw it from our producer Barton's IG story, by the way, Instagram for the older people who don't really know. And it's your last name. So everyone should do this now together. It's your last name, 2020. And then whatever your last text message was, that's your slogan. So Asma, I'm putting you on the spot.

What was your very last text message? You have to tell us whatever it was, not one your slogan. So Asma, I'm putting you on the spot. What was your very last text message? You have to tell us whatever it was, not one you select. Khalid. Otherwise, he'll wake up early for food. An explanation of I have a newborn child who's currently at home with my husband. Aisha, you're next. Roscoe. I'm planning to get box braids, but I'm going to have to get the bigger ones. I don't have the patience. That's a long one. It's good, though. I want to get braids this summer, box braids.

Look them up. Google them. And I don't want to get the ones that are really tiny because it takes a long time to take out. So I was talking to friends about how long they take to... This is a black girl thing. It can take hours, like 10 hours or something. I don't have time for that. Okay.

Seriously. Keith, 2020. Just trying to understand whether it is a memorandum and what the legal theory is. That's a good one, though. That kind of works. That sounds like you covered the Hillary Clinton campaign.

This is just sad. Mine is rather unfortunate. Mine is, Montenaro 2020, I will-a-do-a-my-besta. What? I am not kidding. I will-a-do-a-my-besta. You're, like, doing some weird Italian thing? This was just an absurd, like it just happened to be that as soon as I saw Barton's IG story,

I was like, I wonder what my last text was. And then I saw that and I started dying because I was like, okay. So the backstory to that was I was making dinner and I was trying to just jokingly say, like, cause I was putting together a meal. And I'm Italian, so I like to cook. And they were like, I hope it's good. And I said, I will do my best. It's a bit aspirational, too, as a political message.

It's a dad joke. I'm not promising. I'm just going to do my best. I'm not making promises I can't keep, but I will do my best. All right, Tam, what can't you let go of? We were up in New Hampshire to interview two candidates over the weekend for the NPR Politics podcast. One of those interviews has already posted, the one with Tulsi Gabbard.

The one with Amy Klobuchar will post on Monday morning. So we are going to this town of Franconia to follow Tulsi Gabbard in a parade. And we go into this market to go to the bathroom, get some snacks. We're standing in line to go to the bathroom. And one of Amy Klobuchar's aides walks up and gets in line for the bathroom, too. Small town, New Hampshire. So then we walk out of the market And we're like Hey There's like two dudes They look kind of like campaign people

They don't look like they're going to a parade Oh wait One of them is Seth Moulton And he's running for president So like I just couldn't stop laughing I was like okay welcome to New Hampshire You just like almost run into one in a parking lot And then we're following Gabbard in the parade And what do you know Amy Klobuchar is also marching in the same parade. We're like, all right, we're just we're like we can't we can't escape the presidential candidates. Ayes too, Tam. And people think it's very glamorous, but we have some real world problems here.

And they may be first world problems, but they are real. They're real world problems. And on Monday, it rained a lot in D.C. And there was a leak at the White House and not the normal leaks that we get. But there was just a flooding in the basement where reporters have offices. There was a lot of water coming up in the basement. And I think they had to get like, you know, things out to try to dry out. It wasn't in. Luckily, it was not in the NPR booth. The NPR booth was unscathed. Wow. But it's an old building. A big part of it is underground. It was last updated many years ago. The press area was last updated several years ago.

And before those of you decide to email in or tweet at us that it's because D.C. is built on a swamp, that's actually a myth. Asma, what can't you let go of? All right. Well, for those of you who are familiar with the podcast Embedded that we have, our colleague Kelly McEvers has been doing, she's been doing some work looking at Mitch McConnell. And there's an episode she has out that's new that sort of a nugget of it caught my eye. In the 1990s, Mitch McConnell got a $1,000 campaign check from the one real estate developer and author of the bestselling book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump. And he returned that check.

Wow, really? So Trump at this point in time had been, you know, kind of on the verge of bankruptcy. He wasn't doing too well financially, even though he had previously been, you know, on this list of very wealthy folks. And so McConnell had been getting a lot of heat about getting this money. And so he had never met Trump, but he said, quote, well, I thank you for your contribution. I have noticed several stories in the last few weeks about your financial difficulties. He wrote this all in a letter. Although I am certain you will recover, I have decided to return your contribution of $1,000 because it appears you may need the money more than I do right now.

Damn. Well, he did recover. He's president. He did. And Mitch McConnell is doing his bidding. Well, I'm sure Trump would like the story to be talked about a lot more. I'm sure he loves the story of McConnell giving him the money back and saying that he needed it more than him. I'm sure he would love that story.

But it just to be highlighted, like how awkward that relationship has been for so many years. Yeah, that's. I want to just Trump remember that, though? He probably does. Well, he does now. The White House did not respond to NPR's request for comment. All right, that is a wrap for today. And a reminder that we're hitting the road.

And we'll be in Boulder, Colorado for a live show on September 20th. And we'll be doing another live show in Washington, D.C. on November 8th. Tickets are on sale right now. So head over to NPR presents dot org. I'm Tamara Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Asma Khalid, political reporter. I'm Ayesha Roscoe. I also cover the White House. And I'm Domenico Montanaro, political editor. And thank you for listening to the NPR Politics Podcast.