The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 121 - Tim Donaghy, Yes That Tim Donaghy

Episode Date: October 24, 2019

On today’s show, Pat and the guys are joined by former NBA referee and member of one of the biggest betting scandals in recent sports history, Tim Donaghy. They discuss his role in the betting scandal that rocked the NBA and all of professional sports which eventually resulted in the FBI getting involved, what the process was like in terms of his job and what he was doing, the new film “Inside Man,” which is about the whole ordeal and what kind of involvement he had in the film, whether he thinks games are being fixed in other major sports leagues, where he thinks the next major betting scandal will come from, and what his time in prison was like. It’s an absolute roller coaster of an interview (3:05-26:24). Also included are Pat’s thoughts on the John Elway/Emmanuel Sanders situation, and who is in the right and what he thinks the atmosphere inside that locker room is currently like. Pat also gives his take on LeBron James and why he is becoming more and more unlikeable off the court. Today’s show is a fun one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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this ladies and gentlemen joining us now is a man who you know and have heard about. A movie about his life, Inside Game, opens nationwide on Friday, November 1st. I can't wait to chat with him, especially with sports gambling becoming legal nationwide. I don't think there's a better human to chat with about it. Ladies and gentlemen, former NBA referee Tim Donahue. Tim, thanks for joining us. Yes. How often do you get a round of applause whenever you're introduced? Not too often. Okay, Tim, for those that don't know Tim Donahue, he was an NBA official who was actually caught kind of cooking books, setting lines, making things happen in the sports gambling world. Now a movie about it all is coming out on Friday, November 1st.

My first question is, Tim, how did this all start? Were you a sports gambler to begin with and then you got presented an opportunity or was it just like kind of out of nowhere and your life took a complete turn out of nowhere? Kind of out of nowhere. I was gambling at golf courses, playing cards in the locker room, running down to Atlantic City with a bunch of buddies. Then I started sports gambling on college and pro events, eventually spilled over to the NBA, and eventually NBA games that I was officiating. With that being said, we would do it and we would

stop. We would do it and we would stop. And one time when we stopped, what I didn't know, that that information was being passed along to people associated with organized crime. And when I went into Philadelphia to referee a game, one of their associates came down and visited me and told me that he had known that I had been doing this in the past. He was getting the plays, wanted to continue to get the plays, or he was going to expose me to the NBA for gambling, or worse yet, have somebody visit my wife or kids in Florida. So with that, I continued to give this guy the picks, and I was hoping by the end of the basketball season, it would be done and forgotten, and he would never approach me again. But at the end of the season, it was heard over a game being a wiretap and the FBI started an investigation.

Okay, so you were just doing this with like friends, like, hey, the games that I'm reffing, I think we can probably do some things if we really need to. And then someone in your tight circle kind of leaked it to a much bigger fish. Is that an accurate statement? Yes. Do you hate that friend that leaked it to the the higher ups there hey listen i'm not happy about anything but you know when you you look in the mirror you really have

nobody to blame but yourself i really did some dumb things i made some poor choices uh and i really can't blame anybody but myself okay so everybody as somebody who didn't play basketball growing up i grew up in pitts, which didn't have an NBA team, but I was a sports fan, so I kind of understood it. With the way the rules are, there was always the thought like, oh, refs could definitely control how many points are being scored here just because of the little touch fouls and things here and there. Then when your story came out, it kind of captivated everybody.

They're like, we knew it. Fuck it. We knew that this was happening forever. Do you think you were the only person that's ever done this? No. In fact, I don't know person that's ever done this? No. In fact, I don't know if you've ever heard this name. Michael Francisi, who was a captain in the Colombo crime family, who has left the mob and has since become a preacher,

said that in the 1990s, he had three NBA refs on his personal payroll and none of them were named Tim Donaghy. So I definitely wasn't the only one passing information along there were others that were definitely doing it do any of the other refs on your crew knew that you were doing it or is this literally a lone wolf operation or was anybody else on the crew like hey Tim what the fuck is going on here no nobody said a word and they really portray that great in the movie uh where they show what i did and how i do it eric mabeus uh does a great job in in playing that part along with scott wolf and will sassa so uh will sassa plays batista who was the guy that was associated with the mob

and he just does an unbelievable job in playing batista and i would be shocked if he didn't get some kind of an award. Will Sasso is going to win an Oscar for this thing? I don't know if he'd win an Oscar. I don't know what awards they give out for movies, but he really did. Nice. I know Will Sasso from In Living Color. Is that right? Mad TV.

Mad TV. And then his Vines were next level. He's going to win an Academy Award for his portrayal in Inside Game, which premieres Friday, November 1st. I'm excited for that. Was it a little PTSD for you to re-experience the entire thing that kind of took down your entire career while making this movie? Absolutely.

It was embarrassing back in 2007 when I got caught. It's just as embarrassing today to watch the movie on the big screen. So, you know, it shows a lot of poor choices that I made, a lot of poor choices Tommy Martino made and Batista. And, you know, with that, we affected a lot of people other than ourselves. And that's the people we love the most. And that's our family. And that's a great message that's in the movie. And that's one of the reasons why I got involved. Were you married at the time? I was and now I'm happily divorced. That's a great message that's in the movie, and that's one of the reasons why I got involved. Were you married at the time? I was, and now I'm happily divorced.

So it's funny because they said, did anything good come from this whole situation? And I said, one good thing is, you know, they're making donations to a school called LWIN, which is a school for mentally and physically challenged boys in Springfield, Pennsylvania. And I got divorced. And when I said that to the guy that I got divorced, he looked at me like he didn't know if I was kidding or not, but I was dead serious. Sam, obviously you did some despicable things. I mean, the thought of a ref jeopardizing the integrity of a game is catastrophic to the game in of itself.

I mean, a lot of people know that i'm happy you've kind of recognized your mistakes and move forward but to go back to your mistakes i mean i feel bad about this i really do that this is what i have to pepper you about but i'm a big boy i can take it okay good i have so many let's not forget it's going to be it's going to be out in the movie theaters in about a week so everyone's going to see it. Okay, true. So, all right, well, you said it. Whenever you got started, did you get a rush out of it? Did you enjoy it? Absolutely.

I loved the adrenaline of gambling, whether it was on the golf course, at the casinos. There were times where I was sitting at blackjack tables where people were winning or losing $50,000 to $100,000. So, you know, I played and hung with a lot of big time gamblers so definitely the rush was something i enjoyed my friend digs here who's a complete degenerate sent me some stats here that was very very interesting the first 15 games of the 2006 2007 nba season that was refereed by you had a significant enough betting to move the point spread by 1.5 points or more,

and they were all perfect against Vegas. Was there any thought by you or Batista or Martino to be like, you know what, maybe we should fuck one or two up here so they don't get on our case? Or were you guys just loving the amount of cash that was coming in? No, we were rolling in it, and there was a period where I write in my book that I think we lost three in a row.

And, you know, Batista was getting a little antsy even though we were winning in an 80% clip, and I was afraid that I was going to come home after a 12-day trip after we just lost three in a row and my dog Zoe was going to be hanging from a tree. But, you know, he was so pissed off after three in a row, even though we were really winning so many. So you said that it was discovered in the Gambino wiretap. I heard another story that it was actually Vegas who saw how much the certain gambler was winning that actually uncovered it. Have you heard anything of that nature or you've said on that it was the Gambino wiretap that eventually exposed you? All I know is I had to be a cooperating witness for the government with the FBI.

I've talked to a lot of FBI agents. They told me it was heard over a wiretap. Batista was down $7 million gambling. Then he started getting involved with me to recover that money and he was able to get it back.. He was just doing so many drugs and talking on the phone. He ran his mouth, and it was heard over again being a wiretap. This dude stunk at gambling. Down seven million. How much was he gambling on your games? Hundreds of thousands of dollars,

and he got that seven million back quick. It's all portrayed great in the movie. I'm telling you, Will Sasson does an unbelievable job. There's an old saying that pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered, and it feels like the crime organizations don't really live by that on numerous occasions, and this would be one. Batista, is that just his first and last name, or is that just how the guy operates?

And is he still alive, and are you going to be a dead man because of all of this? James Bob Batista is his name, and he is still alive. He's still doing what he did back when we got caught. He's still booking bets, and he's still doing everything that he did before. I'm in Sarasota, Florida, and he's outside Philadelphia. Should you be saying where you're at right now I've seen enough mob movies I grew up in an Italian city of Pittsburgh I feel

like this is something you should be sweating more than you currently are well hey it is what it is I did what I did uh I'm still here after 10 years and you know uh hopefully I'll be here for another 10 look at the gut sack on this guy man All right. So a lot of people are wondering with nationwide sports gambling being okayed, how easy it is to corrupt each game, whether it's through the players or through the referees. Do you see that being a potential issue now that there's going to be literally billions of dollars gambled every single week, almost on every single sporting event, federally regulated wise? Absolutely. When you look at some of these kids that are in college, okay, they're not making it to the NFL. They're not making it to the NBA. They're playing lower division one basketball or football. It's easy for somebody

to go up to them and say, hey, listen, here's 20, 25 grand and go take care of your family. The line's 15. Don't win by 15. Win by 11, 12, 13, even 14. Win the game, just don't cover the spread. I think that that's where you're going to see the next scandal for sure is in college sports to where some of these kids that aren't as well off as they would like to be are going to take that money and take that opportunity. How about referees, especially with the fact that most of them aren't full-time and things like that?

There was a rumor going around that one particular NFL ref, there was a gambler that was gambling on his game here the first six weeks and winning significantly. Do you think other sports have this same problem, not just basketball? I do. I think gambling is prevalent throughout the United States. I think people love the action of gambling, and I think if they have a buddy who's an official,

the littlest edge they can get, they're going to do it. But I also think that the NFL refs, the NBA refs make a lot of money. I think they're more educated now than they were back when I was doing it. So I find it hard to believe at that level we get done. But I think at the college level, you're going to see people associated with organized crime get to somebody and it's going to be exposed. They're probably already getting to the nail, but they just haven't been caught. OK, so was there ever a game where you and another ref were working against each other? No, because what I did was is I would be in meetings in the morning or before the game. And I knew, you know, if a referee was going to target a certain player

positive or negative and I would just uh pass that information along and I wouldn't go uh the other direction of that I would just do what that other ref was going to do within the course of set of the rules so you would have a direct call right to Batista or your guy would go to Batista did you have a direct line to the Gambino crime family every single day of your life while working as an NBA ref? Just Tommy Martino, who was the middle guy who dealt with Batista. And that's, you know, how it plays out in the movie. They show that I meet with Batista that first time at the Marriott Hotel. From there, we're never going to speak again. And I'm going to go through Tommy and pass the picks along to tommy and tommy would pass them along to batista and and the money would come from tommy man that is so interesting i mean

just the thought to like the money train you guys were on there for a while had to feel so damn good but i would have just assumed that somebody's gonna think like we should at least start maybe losing a little bit but then once they start saying hey we're gonna continue to do this or your family's gonna disappear i mean that then you become in a spot where you're fucking stuck like even if you wanted to do the right thing you could have you never had you would have never ever ever had the chance to do the right thing and that's what the fbi agent said they said when did you think this was going to stop i said i was hoping at the end of this year it was going to be the end of it and they said they never would have released you

from the the claws that they had into you. You would have been doing it until you were dead, until they killed you. Were the FBI guys, did they understand gambling or were they kind of new to the whole thing and didn't really fully understand the racket? They, you know, after they sat down with me and I told them everything I did and how I did it, they shook their head and really didn't believe me. Two weeks later, after they flew around the whole whole country interviewed coaches and players and former referees they realized what i was telling them was the truth and and really they understood that the nba had a major problem on

their hands with how they were doing business did batista say anything rude about you on that uh that wiretap or was it just that we got a guy named tim donnie was he like oh this we got this little scumbag tim donnie did he did he talk any shit on that wiretap that made you go, oh, this Batista guy, bad guy? No, he just said he had a referee, an NBA referee in his hip pocket. And from that conversation, they were able to backtrack everything and link it from Batista to Martino to me. So it came out last week again. I guess it was in your book uh what was the

situation with the spurs phoenix sun series where you said the spur or the sons were the better team but you guys had the spurs taking it all along is that all right yeah what happened was is tommy nunez was the supervisor of officials for that playoff series he lived in phoenix he hated robert starver who lived in ph Phoenix, who was the owner of the Phoenix Suns. And with that being said, he dictated to the referees what to call and what not to call. He loved going back to San Antonio. He loved the nightlife in San Antonio. He loved leaving his wife at home. Who was this? He wanted San Antonio to advance. So with that being said, he concentrated for the referees

on what to call and what not to call, and it was always in favor of the San Antonio Spurs. Who was doing this? Tommy Nunes, who worked for the NBA and was the supervisor of officials for that playoff series at the time. So does the NBA get involved with calls? I mean, Granny, you've been out for a while now,

but they all have their little headphones on, their earpieces on, and there's always calls that seem to favor the big time stars in critical games of the NBA. Does the NBA have their hands in those types of decisions? Absolutely. When you look at the NBA during the playoffs, they send a representative in and you watch the games. And when it seems down three games to none in the series, they show you film of the previous three games and they tell you what to look for and what to concentrate on and what they do is they program and train those referees to make calls for that team that's down in the series so it doesn't become a sweep. It goes from three to zero to three to one, maybe three to two, generates a lot more revenue

and income for the entire league. The NBA hates you, huh? What can I do? As you were saying that, literally, I was like, oh, my God, they have to absolutely hate him for saying this type of stuff. This is not something that normally gets out, these types of comments. That's why you're such an anomaly in this whole thing. Right, and it plays out In the movie really well

And you know like I said before The movie's got a great message about choices And how we all made some really dumb And stupid choices and how it affected Our families and ourselves And it was just devastating for everybody involved Do you still gamble? No I do have a

Website where I consult with people who do Gamble so that they, you know, stay away from a lot of the pitfalls and traps that can be associated with gambling. Are you following any referees in basketball right now in college or in the NBA that you think could potentially be on the hook somewhere? I don't follow. I don't think that they're on the hook, but definitely there's some referees in the NBA that have some trends and have problems or have relationships, positive or negative, that spill out onto the court in the NBA that have some trends and have problems or have relationships,

positive or negative, that spill out onto the court in the NBA. Referees have such a big time influence on games. And I think you were a picture of that. It's happening even more so now in all sports. Refs have a very much, refs can control games. That's just a factual statement. There's so much subjectivity in the game. And the problem is that the rules aren't enforced as they're written in the rulebook. They officiate the names on the front and back of jerseys. And even in the NFL, you'll see if anyone even gets near Tom Brady, the flags come flying out. But some of these younger second, third string quarterbacks can get tackled around the knees or wrapped around the head and the flags don't come out. So until the sports leagues enforce the rules as they're written in the rule book and leaves the names on the front of the back of the jerseys out of it, I think you're always going to have the

fans that are going to say why. Okay, so if you were to travel back in time to 2004 before this all started and have a conversation with young Tim Donahue, you would say to him, hey, there's about to be an incredible temptation. Don't do it. I assume is that what you would say to him, hey, there's about to be an incredible temptation. Don't do it. I assume, is that what you would say? How do you stop future refs from doing what you did? Absolutely. Just take a look at my life and see the damage that I caused

not only to myself but to my family, the embarrassment that I caused the league and my other refereeing partners. So it was definitely detrimental in so many different ways in what I did and what I got involved with, who I was hanging out with. And, you know, unfortunately, I can't turn back time. I certainly wish I could, but I can't. What do you do now?

Right now I'm, you know, involved in real estate. I manage rental properties, and I have my website, reppix.com, and I'm doing a lot of marketing for the movie. Good for you, Tim. I mean, I assume there was a pretty heavy rock bottom. Did you do jail time? I did. I did 15 months in a federal prison.

I went in there and I was a cooperating witness for the government, so I had a big stamp on my forehead. I was attacked in prison by a guy who claimed to be associated with the Gambino crime family and he did damage to my knee. I've had two operations on my knee to try to alleviate that pain, but it's something I'm just going to have to live with. They took your knee

out? Like literally took you out at the knees? They did. You Italians, bro. You just can't help it. Don't turn on us. Did you ref basketball games in the prison? Great question. No, but it's funny. They did ask me to do that.

And I have to have a job. And there's a gym, and they play games at night. And they did ask me to referee the games. But I turned that down. You're like, yeah, my knee hurts, bro. What did you do in there? Then you just wrote kind of stuck to yourself. I assume I tried to I worked in the kitchen.

And, you know, I kept my head down for 15 months. And, you know, I'm fortunate that I got out of there alive. I've seen locked up and other shows about prison. And by the way, it looks terrible in there. I'm not saying that you didn't deserve it, by the way. I assume you did because of everything that happened. But making it out of that, I mean, your story is such a deep one. This all comes from your book that I assume people can buy now.

Yeah, it's on Amazon.com. It's still out there. And, you know, not only was I in prison, I got thrown in the hole for, you know, supposedly being out of bounds for 15 days and they fed me to a slot in the door. So prison is no joke. Even when they talk about being in these country club prisons, you know, you get into that system and it's just impossible to get out of. What did you do? Were you cooking those basketball games in prison? You got sent down to the hole. What did you do? What were you cooking those basketball games in prison?

You got sent down to the hole. I was, uh, I was supposed to be somewhere. I was at the gym. And, when I got back, they said I was out of bounds. They shackled and handcuffed me and threw me in a County jail and put me in

solitary confinement for 15 days. Paul crew. Yeah. Yes. What does that mean? Out about there's like rules where you're supposed to be and where you're not supposed to be. Is that type of.

Yes. Oh my gosh, Tim. I know you have a heart out here you got somewhere to go i feel like i have so many questions i i just were you ever no do you even eat it like italian restaurants anymore just out of fear of potential of them showing up uh all the time i love italian food i just make sure i'm facing the door i can see who's coming sam that's smart man you made a massive mistake you paid your dues you're back on the other side of it i hope the movie does well inside game the inside game or just inside game uh just inside game inside game coming out friday november 1st i can't wait to watch this vines will sasson is going to win the academy award for that that is is awesome. That is beautiful. I think a lot more people are educated in knowledge on this system because of you, by the way. So granted, your life had to take quite

a fall for everybody else to learn about this. But the same thing happened for Pete Rose. When you walk into an NFL locker room, when you walk into a professional locker room, all it says is don't be Pete Rose, basically. I would assume the refs are doing the same thing for you it always takes that one to kind of learn from yeah absolutely and again uh it wasn't an easy ride i'm lucky i'm in the position i'm in i have great friends and great family and i was able to get through it was there any scary moments during the season while you're doing it only at the end whenever you try to get out no i mean everything went so good because we won you know what an enormous clip and uh we were we were riding high it wasn't until after the season over was over that i got exposed i was uh on the golf course

and tommy martino called me and said the fbi had been at his house three times so that's when i knew i was in a lot of trouble how was was your golf game that particular day? Probably terrible. If I had to guess, it's a lot in between the years. I didn't even play. I was a four handicap. I just had a brand new set of ping irons. I didn't even hit him. I threw him back in the bag and went home. Did any coaches or players say to you, Tim, you're definitely on some shit right now.

This is a terrible. Did any coaches or players catch on to it? Never. Nobody ever said a word. Good for you, I guess. If you're going to do it, at least do it in a sly way. I mean, the FBI caught you, but no players or coaches. That would be the first thing I think the coaches or players would be like,

this motherfucker's cooking. There's no way that is the call. The fact that that didn't happen is pretty impressive. Can't wait to see the movie. Can't wait to see Will Sasso. Happy you're on the other side of this selling the hell out of some real estate, man. RefPix.com? Yes.

Are you pretty good? Do you make good selections? Absolutely. Really? 80%. 80%? Not 80%. Not that good anymore, unfortunately.

Let's say I have a friend who's like $7 million or so in debt. You think maybe we go to refpicks.com, really turn him on? Send him my way. I'll help him. You have a proven track record. Ladies and gentlemen, Tim Donahue. Thank you, Tim. Thank you.

Cheers, man. I don't know how to feel. I have no clue how to feel right now. I have no idea how to feel. There's way more going on. I literally have no idea how to feel right now. I no idea how to feel There's way more going on I literally have no idea how to feel right now I kind of love how smug he is after the whole thing Yeah I did it

I'm in Sarasota by the way Here's my address Fucking Batista ain't doing shit Called him out Served his time I would assume like living in fear after a certain amount of time He finally just like fuck it V for Vendetta

She shaves her head She lives without fear anymore That's probably how he feels certain amount of time he finally just like fuck it v for vendetta she shaves her head she lives without fear anymore that's probably how he feels especially i mean if he won batista over seven million i mean how greedy does batista well they grew up together too they went to high school together no that was martino oh that was the martino guy he's the middle guy who linked him to batista who was in the gambino crime all he knows uh team's down oh three i'm taking him well it sounds like that's what ref-3. I'm taking him. Well, it sounds like that's what refpicks.com is telling you.

Like, hey, listen, this is what they're programming refs to do. The NBA has to fucking hate that guy. What he just said right there after meeting Adam Silver yesterday, I'm thinking of Adam Silver listening to that, just being like, this motherfucker never stops talking. This fucking guy. He's probably calling Batista. He's like, hey, I can get the IP address for this

fucking guy tomorrow if you need it. Silver probably has a great first impression of you. What's going on with fucking China?

What the fuck's going on with China? Today we welcome in Tim Donahue. He's going to tell us everything that you never knew about the NBA. How about Tony

siding with the Italians there? Oh, yeah. Prick his knee. Oh, right to his face. Shouldn't turn against us. Yeah, I mean, it's the truth. I always start dying laughing.

I'm 0.09% Italian, so I should be a little bit upset with the guy. But Mike Francis came and spoke to us at West Virginia about this exact situation, basically. It could be good money for you now, but remember, it's never ending. That's basically what Francis said. He was the youngest mob boss in history. They're calling him like the, I forget what it was. He was the diaper Don boss in history they're calling him like the i forget what it was he was the diaper don is that what they called him i just made that up that's pretty good that might be what they called him but he he was running this gas gimmick in new jersey where he would set up a gas station instead of paying the state tax on

each gallon of gas they would just swipe it and then the feds would send him like a cease and desist or whatever whatever it is they would shut down and before they could even get there to investigate it he would already have another gas station open like across town so he did it for like years just was collecting millions and millions and millions of dollars for these this mob family and he was very young his dad was a mob boss this whole thing uh and then he turned and in jail and he was like this is my life this is what I did and he talked to us about all the cooking of books and he just scared the hell

out of everybody. We weren't even allowed to know who it was talking to us when we get one in there and then when we got there, he was like, yeah,

I try not to say where I'm going to be, when I'm going to be places, that type of thing. I was like, makes sense. He was like, but all the people

that are under me are now bosses so he feels like he thinks, it felt as if he thinks like the people who are now bosses so he feels like he he thinks it felt as if he thinks like the people who are now bosses have a little bit of respect for him but that mob thing man whenever you cross you're fucking you're not only your knees your fucking brain the mob is so embedded with gambling that there's i mean there's no way they've had to have been right yeah if gambling would have been federal from day one the mob

wouldn't have had its hooks in it the mob would have went somewhere else drugs and all this other stuff but since it was such a massive part of our culture and society the only people that could run the books were the italians right yeah i don't want to say the only people but the italians found it as a great way to get in now that's getting federally federally regulated it's going to be interesting to see that kind of transition. Well, and that's not even the problem anymore. It's that the individual mob members are degenerate

gamblers. So it's more so a problem that they get way behind or they can influence their own financial game. Batista was behind $7 million. He was a middleman too. By the way, how are you still alive at that point? But who is he down $7 million. He was a middleman, too. Who?

By the way. Yeah, how are you still alive at that point? But who is he down $7 million to? Some bookie. So he wasn't the bookie. Who? He's in the Gambino. Had to be a couple of them.

Yeah. Bigger than him. A Gambino, whatever he was. I don't know if he was an underboss or whatever he was. He was up there. He was going down to bookies. And then that's like when you do like a double or nothing bet

with somebody very important, you're never going to be able to say, give me my money. I don't know if Gambino, if he was ever... I bet you he owned out. Like the adrenaline from being a successful bookie

and getting over on everyone that books with you isn't enough. I got to go out and make it my own way on my own bets. So what I read was Batista was more of a... He wasn't exactly the bookie. He was the middleman.

No, that's Martino. No, no, no. So yeah, Martino gave him the picks. But then he was basically an investor. So people would just give him their money, and then he would place the bets for them off of Donahue's picks. He's like a VC firm? Yes.

For gambling? Wow. Batista? Mm-hmm. Ba-ba-Batista. A mover and shaker is what they call it. for them off of donahue's picks he's like a vc firm yes basically yes batista baba batista a mover and shaker is what they call it i'm actually kind of excited to watch a movie yeah i'll watch it no chance i watch it in theaters no offense tim zero chance i watch we can actually maybe get them to send a screener for it oh yeah by the way that's been offered to us a couple times now by we're big time show now that we've gone corporate we get opportunities for private screenings

before they come out so that we can judge them on our show so they can get free pub. Yeah. That'd be one we probably, I mean, it's next Friday. We're never going to be able to find time to do this. No, but if they send us a screener, we could just watch it at the office. Yeah. Something to think about.

Something to think about. Will Sasso's winning a fucking Oscar. It's about time. Sasso, Italian guy, playing a mob boss. Was he calling him Sasso or Will Sassa? He said Sassa, and then he said Francisi.

I think he's just Francise. I think, I'm not sure. Yeah, he dropped a couple of waters. Yeah. Interesting life, that guy. 15 months in jail. That is not just like, that's not how to sneeze at

no especially if you're a snitch 15 months in there is a long time get your knees fucked up i almost asked him so happy that you asked classic prison question so happy that you asked to be reffed and that's the food that's what you're gonna ask him yeah the classic that was a baloney i was gonna ask him about that too there was another prison question i was gonna ask him though about the you know so happy yeah we figured the refereeing in jail though because i like the athletes that we've had on in jail on the show i like to ask them if they played the sport in jail exactly makes sense if he's in there can't fucking do that oh you know what do you know tim what do you know tim you don't know, Tim? What do you know, Tim?

You don't know the rules. You're just making them up for the fucking gambling. I told you we were going to be very befuddled. We were. As soon as we got done with that thing, we had no idea what was going on. We still don't know how to feel. Tweet us right now and let us know how you felt about that, how you feel about the NBA,

and if you felt at all that Tim Donahue was sorry for what he did. It doesn't look like it. He paid his dues to society, though. You know what I mean? 15 months in federal prison. At some point, he's going to have to get over feeling bad about it all, and I think he's at that point. I will say this. Excited to watch the movie,

especially if Will Sasso is going to win a fucking Academy Award. I think Tim Donahue had a good time with us, by the way. I'm not sure he has a good time in a lot of places anymore. Well, definitely not. Yeah, I think he appreciated it. It felt like you gave him a chance to handle it however he wanted. I would like people to know, though,

for those that think I was maybe too nice to him, I called him despicable and a scumbag. Yeah, no, I mean, you put the screws to him in a nice way yeah i had to yeah because he's a guest on the show he came on the show i'm very thankful for that i mean spades spade he is a scumbag you're just doing you know you're doing and he knows i think he was even admitting it yeah what can i do he said smirk hear that smirk the whole time. A little smug. Yeah, very smug. Delco County's finest.

Yo! Yo, you hear about Donahue last night? Fucking went down to Gino's and Pat's after he's shaving points in a 76ers game. Very thankful for Donahue. Can't wait to watch that movie.

Congrats to Will Sasso on an incredible performance. I am a Will Sasso fan, too. Oh, my. I love him, too. I did not know him from acting, by the way. I knew him strictly from Vine. He was Chris D'Elia to me, basically. He was a Vine star in my eyes.

The one with the orange is when he got me. Yep. Have you ever seen this, Fox? Are you too young? I haven't. Too young. Vine, rest in peace. Let's have a moment of silence for vine that was the equivalent to two vines right there 12 seconds i don't like

how will sasso treated uh lloyd in entourage oh yeah he was a little rude wasn't he very very now he's playing a mob boss that was bossing around Tim Donahue. Can't wait. Won $7 million in gambling and thought nobody was going to notice. That's incredible. Alright, listeners. People in this room.

I am holding something awesome in my hand right now, but I'm not going to tell you what it is. You have to guess. Alright, I'll give some descriptive things, but I'm not going to tell you what it is. You have to guess. Alright, I'll give some I'll give some descriptive things about what I'm holding. You guess what it is. It's ice cold like a corpse.

Microphone. Penguin. Nope. Some people are afraid of it and think it's for Satan worshippers. Baseball. Baseball. Body. Cor corpse is accurate a michigan state doctor's exam we're having fun this is a fun show all right although those are very accurate guesses

that is not what i'm holding. We're not there yet. A cop stopped me right outside for walking around with this thing in public. Smack. What was that? Smack. See, I don't know what street drug you're referring to there

because I think in different cities that refers to different drugs. But no, it is not a drug. A machine gun. It is not a machine gun either. But no, it is not a drug. A machine gun. It is not a machine gun either, but I take these things down in a rapid fashion. Thanks. And speaking of machine

guns, you can shotgun this. Oh! It tastes delicious. It's metal as fuck. You can get some for free if you literally sell your soul. Some of you would be so grounded if your parents found it sounds pretty cool right really cool yeah is that tim donnie

like i said i'm not telling you what it is you'll have to find out for yourself by going to what the fuck is this shit.com slash pat and you'll even get a 6.66% off if you decide to buy it. That's WhatTheFuckIsThisShit.com slash Pat. WhatTheFuckIsThisShit.com slash Pat. I'm going to be honest. It is actually very good. It is. I love it.

I love it too. I legitimately love it. That's an aggressive ad read meant to turn heads and spark some interest. You should go to whatthefuckisthisshit.com and experience this in your life. Kind of flipped the game on its head a little bit, to be honest with you. It really did. I mean, I'm no Don Draper, but I think if they actually just marketed it as is, what it is, I mean, it's pretty easy to sell, you know?

I mean, it's fucking water in a can. It is ice-cold canned water. It is so good. Once you taste it, you can't not tell 20 people how awesome it is. So word of mouth is going to be crazy. Yeah, so what the fuck is this shit? This shit is very cold water from a can. Wherever you think, like, I don't want to drink my water from a can i had those initial feelings as well think again it is

water in a can it's true it's really good and you can shotgun it i have instant hydration they say take that and toss it like your your luke combs don't they they it means bottled or canned i guess in the alps in the actual you know french aquifers up there that's why it's so good you guys ever had any of that alps water i have delicious speaking of delicious i had some takes earlier today. You're on a heater. Heater, dude. A real heater.

No vitamins. What? None. A little bit. A little bit. For you, none. None. Maybe it's something to think about.

I don't know. I'm excited to learn what the Emmanuel Sanders incident was. John Elway, when he traded away Emmanuel Sanders yesterday to the San Francisco 49ers. What is that team, two and five? I believe so, yes. They're two and five. He gets traded away to an undefeated team. Emmanuel Sanders had quite a glow up there in just one decision by a general manager and another general manager.

Two former players, John Elway and John Lynch, negotiate the deal. John Elway says, the locker room knows why we got rid of him. The locker room knows that this is not the standard we're going to have here for the Denver Broncos. He alluded to him being selfish and something happening after the Tennessee Titans game between Emmanuel Sanders and somebody else in the locker room. Josh Shitton was on in the first hour. He said that he would assume that Emmanuel Sanders was sick of losing, so maybe his emotions got the best of him or the worst of him in a moment.

Maybe he said something to a coach, went after somebody, maybe said something like that. And John Elway, for some reason, couldn't get over it. These types of situations do happen. Players do tell coaches to go straight to hell in situations where there's high tensions, very competitive atmosphere. Instant results on whether or not you're doing good or not doing good.

I mean, they literally keep score. So those types of situations can bring a lot of tension so emmanuel sanders did something after the tennessee titans game that john elway could not get past could not get over i would assume john elway had been looking for a suitor for emmanuel sanders for a few weeks now i would assume that john elway in this story will come out at some point emmanuel sanders has to have two good games for the 49ers, and the questions will come to Emmanuel Sanders, why wasn't it working in Denver?

And he'll say, well, you're going to have to ask them about that. And then somebody will ask them about that. And at some point, Adam Schefter or one of these insiders will get to the bottom of it, and they'll be like, well, apparently after the Tennessee Titans game, Emmanuel Sanders threatened to smack a mother in the mom. Something along those lines will happen and i found it interesting that john elway was accusing people of being selfish

because literally john elway one of the most successful not only businessmen but quarterbacks of all time and quarterback businessmen of all time guy has 45 different car dealerships in denver he's making money right now while doing nothing. He's getting paid well to run a good operation out there in Denver. They're not great now, but he had success. But he started something called the Quarterback Club whenever he was in the NFL. Him, Marino, Kelly,

I believe there's a couple others. I'm pretty sure Favre was in there. Maybe, I don't remember. But he was like one of the leaders of this Quarterback Club, which is literally a slanderous term there maybe i don't remember but he was like one of the leaders of this quarterback club which is literally a slanderous term in the nfl because of how incredibly selfish they were with deals and money and everything like that so to hear him come out and say well we're not gonna have a selfish culture it's like hey john no offense you're an incredible quarterback

incredible quarterback talked to terrell davis yesterday He talked about how that team, all they want to do is, they did the Patriot way, but only for a few years. They had a three-year run where they were doing the Patriot way before the Patriot way. He compared them to the Patriots, but he very much understood that the Patriots have been doing this for almost two decades, so it's on a much grander scale. But they did the Patriot way where they worked hard, attention

to detail, situational football, do your job, all that stuff. I respect the hell out of John Elway, what he did on the football field, and I respect him as a businessman. But you sound a little bit like a hypocrite whenever you come out and say, oh, he can't be selfish, that's not standard in his locker room, when literally the quarterback club is known for being an incredibly selfish group of humans, and you're the face of it almost.

So that's an interesting thing, and we'll see how the Denver Broncos bounce back. But that caught my eye this morning while we were on the play. I was like, huh, it's funny you say that, Mr. Elway. It's very interesting because he got very specific in a sense. He intentionally brought up that there was an issue to the media for a reason and then specifically said, after

what happened at the Tennessee game, we just thought this was the best choice for everyone involved. That's a very specific reference. And then when he's asked, well, what specifically happened at the Titans game? Well, we're not going to get into that. You just did! You just brought us to this point.

Excuse me, we didn't even know the Titans were involved in this. And now you're drinking us here. And now you want to elaborate. It's like he's dabbling the carrot. Who is that investigator? Sherlock Holmes? He's a good one.

Inspector Gadget. Go-Go Gadget. Is that that guy? Inspector Gadget, yeah. Same guy? Is Go-Go Gadget Inspector Gadget? Yeah. He used to do the thing with the arms?

Oh, yeah. Well, I did the thing with the arms to send text messages out to the people I know in that Broncos locker room because as soon as I read that, I wanted to know what the hell happened, and nobody has responded to me. This is like becoming a new thing, by the way. Curse of having a show. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And every once in a while, I'll ask a question to somebody,

and they'll respond to me. They'll be like, I can't tell you what really happened. Just want to let you know I'm happy you're doing well, and if you ever want to have a beer, we can do that. I'm like, will you please just give me an exact quote? I'll say it to no one. Thank you for the two wins that we brought the Broncos. I mean, they'd be staring down the barrel of 0-7 right now.

If it wasn't for having Joe Flacco on the podcast and him playing elite for two weeks. Something to think about. I'm going to send more texts. I just want to let you know if you're in the Broncos locker room and I have your phone number, I'm about to be bombarding you. It's going to get to the spam thing because that is so interesting

to me. Because it wasn't like we're trying to tank and we're trying to rebuild. He didn't say that at all. He said, no, we're trying to win games now. This is strictly because of what happened in this situation. Will you tell us about that situation? No. What the hell are we doing here?

What did you say you were trading? Imagine if I was in that press conference area. I think it was a conference call. So it's on the phone. And they probably can just mute me if I'm on that press conference area. I think it was a conference call. So it's on the phone. And they probably can just mute me if I'm on there. Wait a minute, Mr. Elway. You can't do that. Yeah, I can.

I'm the boss. All right. I guess you're right. I don't know what to tell you. But somebody needs to follow up on that. I'm going to start a general manager's club. I think it's just tough, too, because the public perception is that he's an egomaniac. Who?

Elway. Oh, see, I didn't know that. Yeah, at least every time I think of Elway, I think of him being just an ass, and then when he fired John Fox, thanking himself. It was like a little Freudian slip of the tongue, but you could tell. What do you mean? So they fired John Fox after he was out of town. He said, first off, I'd just

like to thank John Elway. Then he started laughing. He said, John Elway, John Fox. I think he is an egomaniac. I think that kind of leans in more to your point that Sanders said something he didn't like and he's like, screw it, let's get this guy out of here.

It's just such an interesting situation because whenever people get traded, normally both sides just try to take the high ground. We're just trying to take the high ground here. We'll just move forward. It's like a breakup, right? It's like a breakup. And ultimately, there's going to be some negative feelings. But publicly, you're always like, hey, let's just move forward here.

We're both better off now. Emmanuel Sanders woke up on an undefeated team this morning. Elway now has the problem. Now let's do it. Instead, Elway almost stirs the pot a little bit and was like, oh, this guy wasn't really that good of a teammate. That's what he's alluding to whenever he says these type of things happen. Now I have to wonder, after talking to John Lynch, by the way,

for like 15 minutes before that Stanford game, he was there. His kid plays for Stanford. He was on the sideline. I got a chance to meet him for the first time. Looks like he can still play, by the way, for like 15 minutes before that Stanford game. He was there. His kid plays for Stanford. He was on the sideline. I got a chance to meet him for the first time. Looks like he can still play, by the way. His neck. His neck. He was all decked out in Stanford gear because he went to Stanford.

His kid was going to Stanford. I mean, it was a very casual conversation with him. He used to do TV, too. So he had a very good, like he understood what I was going through and stuff like that. Cool conversation. He even knew that I thought about coming back, by the way. Really? He said, I want to let you know, a lot of us had

conversations about whatever you thought about coming back, about potentially reaching out. I was like, that means a lot. I want to let you know. Hey, John, I want to let you know that means a lot. He said, I did talk to somebody who knows you, though, and they said, it's probably going to take a little bit for you to pass the test. And we both had a good laugh, and I was like i was like yeah probably but he was a very good guy talking to him and he said he's building a team that he really likes right like they're really

good right now he said we're building a team that we really like hasselbeck asked him about like hey why is your run game working can you point out one particular person and he was like no it's everybody like everybody the wide receivers are blocking like it's, it's everybody. The wide receivers are blocking. It's a team thing. So I would wonder, when you're building something that way, if John Elway calls you and you're negotiating a deal, did John Elway tell John Lynch about the situation that happened after the titancing, or did he wait to release that until after the trade? That's a very interesting thing for me to think about. I would assume, because Lynch did work for the Broncos a little bit as a scout,

that they had that conversation. And if it's something that Lynch was like, yeah, I can handle that, and Elway was like, no, I can't handle that, that's something that I can't wait to find out about. Like, what is Lynch like? Yeah, I'm cool with that happening. And Elway's like, no, we've got to get him the hell out of here. Well, that would be my question is if Elway was really, you know,

pissed at him and done with this guy, then doesn't it seem like he was almost doing him a favor by trading him to San Francisco? Yes. So, so like you would think maybe it's like okay if i really want to stick it to this guy then i'll trade him to cleveland or something like that whoa i mean they stink but but you know what i mean like i mean he you basically you come out you say like uh you know we can't win with this guy, can't do it, won't do it, and then you trade him to a team that's undefeated and you're putting him in a good spot to go somewhere that he can't win.

That's like the hilarious situation of Jamie Collins with the Patriots. The rumor is that he walked into a team meeting and asked to get paid or something like that, and the next day he was shipped to Cleveland. Oh, no. Belichick was like, oh, is that right? Okay, yeah, and then walks into the next team meeting and doesn't even have to say anything. He's just like, anybody else have any?

Just want to know if anybody else. But now he's brought him back, and Jamie Collins is having a hell of a year. Darius Butler, friend of the show, said that he thought that was going to happen. But you're 100% right. He almost helped out Emmanuel Sanders. And also, not to get lost in this thing, Old Nino Diggs. Old Nino Diggs. Old Nino Diggs.

Yes, sir. From the Detroit Lions. Shipped out of town to the Seattle Seahawks. They get better. The Lions get worse somehow. Everybody in the locker room is turning against Matt Patricia. Is the world crumbling in Detroit? Not that it already hasn't.

The Ford stock is plummeting. The Lions are shipping starters out of town. Harbaugh stinks. Harbaugh stinks. Harbaugh stinks. The locker room's mad at the Lions. What's Matt Patricia going to be able to do? We're going to see if he can rally troops because it feels like that trade was one that wasn't very well received in the locker room as well.

None at all. Where John Elway said the locker room very much understands this trade for Emmanuel Sanders. So two different atmospheres there. It just feels like we're in a wild time in the NFL. And this is what happens whenever you're very top-heavy and very bottom. There's no middle class. Much like society, the NFL has become a depiction of our society with no middle class.

You're either very good or very bad. And if you're a very bad team, you're trying to do everything you can to be very good. Next year, if you're a very good team, you're trying to accrue everything you can to continue to get better and better. And it seems like this year is really going to shape up well but that lions team the fans all thinking right now that they absolutely stink you think they quit is that what you think i actually do i really do as a fan of the detroit lions this is about the time of the year when they actually have a good team i think they're a lot like the chargers they're in games all game and then they lose it they can't find a way to win and then they give up well i guess't find a way to win, and then they give up.

Well, I guess there's a young guy behind Nino that's a very good football player that I would assume has bought into the Matt Patricia method a little bit more. So maybe he'll get a chance to shine. I have faith in Matt Patricia. I like Matt Patricia as a person. I think he's a very smart guy. The Lions look good early. A lot of people are saying Kurt Warner was saying they were the best team in the division.

The record doesn't show that. So they're going to have to turn things around. Speaking of the Chargers, in the first hour, Tom Brady's selling his house. His trainer's selling his house. His contract's void after this year. Is Tom Brady bored with success? I think his landing spots are either the Titans for Mike Frable. Him and Nashville could be cool.

This is if he leaves. Schefter's saying he could leave. And as Schefter speaks, a lot of people listen. The Chicago Bears, big city, terrible quarterbacks. Or the Los Angeles Chargers. Phillip Rivers' contract is up. He likes Los Angeles. Spanos is going to give him a percentage of the franchise. Bang, they're off and running.

It's a win, win, win, win, win. Absolute win, win, win there. So if he goes to the LA Chargers, that entire franchise is turned around immediately with the go-to-charge. I did find that interesting with Elway. I honestly, it's hard for me to sit back and just be like, oh, okay. I 100% agree with what you got saying. Whenever I know a lot of things that potentially are on the contrary to that.

That's like if I came out and was just like, I'm the baddest motherfucker on earth. A lot of people would be like, you know what i mean it just doesn't work whenever your past doesn't add up to the exact words coming out of your mouth for me i have some questions we've all had bad bad times we've all done dumb things but when there's a repeated theme yeah just comes off hypocritical it does come off hypocritical and now granted this off hypocritical. And now granted, this might be a very personal thing that happened between Elway and Emmanuel, which I think we will learn eventually that that's what happened. And John Lynch

and Elway, I think, are pretty tight. So the fact that Lynch was cool with it and Elway wasn't, I'll be, I feel like this is a personal thing, but I think Emmanuel Sanders got better and I think the Niners got better all of a sudden. And that team, I'm not sure what they're going to be able to do in the NFC, especially with how top-heavy the NFC is.

I like the Packers a lot. We talked to Josh Sitton today. He talked about how it looks like Aaron Rodgers and LeFleur. It looks like Rodgers is kissing LeFleur's ass, which is not normal, Josh Sitton said. This is not a normal thing for Aaron Rodgers. I would assume not. Normally he's very indifferent about everything,

but he's come out swinging for LeFleur, and I think that's because LeFleur has made him a better football player. And I think in the end, Aaron Rodgers very much cares about how he performs for his team and for his fans and everything like that, because everything's a lot better whenever you perform at your highest level. Life is better. Food's better. Sex

is better. You name it. Everything is better when you're playing well. And I think Aaron Rodgers is like, you know what? This guy is making me a better player. And I think I can get along with him a lot better than I did with McCarthy. He's liking him a lot and that has to be good for the Packers. Yeah, it looks like he's actually having fun for the first time in

almost since they won the Super Bowl. And he so deserves to be able to have fun. He is the best, in my opinion, the best to ever have done it. And he's still doing it. it yeah the most talented quarterback i've ever seen he deserves to be having fun i agree it's a fucking game but sometimes politics and whenever you get paid a massive amount of money expectations come in and then us talking heads start saying shit it just it can kind of wear on you even though you're

successful financially sometimes it can wear on you your situation this leflore thing's really working out we don't know when drew breeze is coming back we don't know if he's coming back this weekend next weekend whatever it is they're going to be very good at football one undefeated without a fucking mvp candidate basically seahawks got better they traded for uh old nino digs with the detroit lions fans are very excited about no sir seems like that locker room's real excited about it as well no sir i have all the faith in the world matt patricia though after meeting him do you yeah i do i can't it's too early it's too early i can't bury matt patricia yet and i don't think this is him i think this is is the GM. Barry Hicks. I think they got a guy behind. That's a point. I think they got a guy behind Nino that he drafted.

Bob Quinn, the GM, drafted. And he's like, let's get this guy out of here. Let's bring in the Lion way, a different way of saying the Patriot way. And we'll see. I guess you got to be patient. They traded away Golden Tate last year. I don't know, man. You've been being patient for the last 25 years.

Someone argue you're very patient. And don't feel bad for me or any of the fans. Don't feel bad for the city. Feel bad for Matthew Stafford. He's the guy that I feel terrible for. And you know how good he would be? Dude. In another city?

I hate even saying that. And all he does is come in. He gets slaughtered out there. He has a broken collarbone, broken tailbone, broken knee, a broken everything. Never complained. Has never complained once. Has never had an offensive line. Has never had a running back.

Will you put yourself on fucking camera? You're going on an incredible rant right now just staring at me. It's hard to multitask. I can barely talk into a microphone as it goes. I think you're doing great. I think you're doing great right there. What are you talking about? You're awesome. I just wish you would have been able to get credit it goes. I think you're doing great. I think you're doing great right there. What are you talking about? You're awesome.

I just wish you would have been able to get credit via the video because instead you're staring at me flexing, basically. Which is an interesting thing. Because Matty Stafford never complains. Never. He got buried by that Bleacher Report cartoon for no reason. That was unbelievable. Emo Stafford.

I'm out on Bleacher Report after that. Whoa. You're out on Bleacher Report? After that? Hell yeah that was terrible You know how much time that animation probably took? That probably took over a month for them to make As a video editor I think I know that And it was an absolute fucking fail

Smear job It was terrible It was a hit piece It was terrible And they asked him about it He hadn't watched it And he said you know what i'll not watch that some other time i like that answer i like staffer we got a chance

to be at that wedding which is the dude guy we're referring to one of my agents david coonan at caa in another life if he wasn't an agent would be the most electric figure on the internet his dad owns the Hawks. He works his ass off, though, this guy. And he's, like, best friends with Matthew Stafford because of their days at Georgia. When he got married, that was when we did the Benihana thing, the Torah. Your first Jewish wedding. It was fucking awesome.

It was awesome. We've met a lot of people, and I've got to see a lot of people with you, and I never ask for pictures. That's the only time i regret not taking a picture with matthew steph yeah i think you acted like we'll probably get a chance to see him again maybe not i'm not sure but he was very cool and down to earth yeah because he doesn't do a lot of media doesn't talk much so i always thought he was kind of like standoffish or something like that he's been paid 700 million dollars or whatever he was very very cool like very cool and he doesn't do a lot of in that hole i can't wait to watch that never or whatever he said about that thing yeah maybe i

real pop for me i actually really laughed at that great answer and he's performed very well for the lions lost calvin johnson early in his career has had to battle through different regimes and everything now it looks like they have a good team. Patricia's building something. Hopefully, he'll be able to just continue to dominate, but it does suck for Matty Stafford. Yeah, I feel bad for him. He literally was drafted to the worst team in NFL history. 0-16, then they picked him.

Dude, you'll be fine. Dude. The Lions are cursed. That's all I have to say. Well, Ford's stock has plummeted. Okay, can I just, while I'm going, the state of Michigan, will you put a while I'm going. The state of Michigan. Will you put a fucking camera on you?

The state of Michigan is falling apart. Michigan State football stinks. Harbaugh stinks. Pistons, Blake Griffin's out. Tigers were the worst team in baseball. Red Wings, worst team in hockey. Lions have lost three in a row. And Ford stock has gone downhill.

State of Michigan's done. Cancel it. Sell them to Canada. What are you going to do? They put a lot of eggs in one basket there with the EcoBoost on those new cars. All they do is burn up your starter. Todd has been waiting for the Ford conversation.

My Ford truck broke down. I hadn't changed the oil in it in three years. Probably my fault why it broke down. But what led after that was a series of other Fords that we know breaking down within the same 48 hours. And it almost felt like there was a glitch in the system where some Dodge hacker got in there and just cut the cord on all these. It was like when women live together and they get on the same menstrual cycle. All our trucks were on the same breakdown cycle. Like Bluetooth.

Yeah. They all synced up and they were like, all right, fuck it, we're done. See you later. What was your problem with your car? It just, the gas meter wasn't reading? Mine? Yeah.

Tim McAfee tweeted it. I forget what it was. It was the synthesized volanoid sensor. The solenoid sensor. He tweeted Ford thinking the social media fuckers would know what that means. Something that tricked your truck into thinking it had a lot more gas than it does. And also, can't fill it up.

Yeah, because there's pressure in there as if it were full. I can't fill up the gas tank and then it doesn't tell me how much gas is in the gas tank. And then I haven't changed the oil for three years. I mean, there's a lot of potential problems in my particular case. I got it right here. Vapor canister solenoid issue.

That's what it was, yes. Tim McAfee tweeted that at Ford, and since then, their stock has plummeted. Tim McAfee moves the needle. You want to know what's happening in fucking Wall Street? Follow Block Dad's tweets. By the way, the truck is back inoperable from what I've been told to

Mack we fix that thing yeah you know like growing up home improvement Tim Allen would go in the build hot rods uh-huh like Tim actually used to do that with his friends like he used to just build cars I think that's something he wants to get back into because anytime something's wrong with my car I'll get a text like you want me to check that out? I'm like, yeah, sure. I'll go over there, and he's fucking on one of them wheelie things underneath the car, and he's just fucking sliding around. He comes out, he'll have a towel on his hand, like washing off the oil, basically just punking me in front of me. Like, yeah, you could have done this, but you fucking didn't, so your dad had to come fucking do it, you little bitch.

That's basically what he does. But he does, he's very good. He can fix things up like that now who knows if they'll last if the solenoid center will last but the fact that he even knew that that existed right now yeah he built this he built this box truck in a week and a half i just love your dad because he'll say a part like that you know that it's gone wrong in your car and i'm like oh how much is that gonna cost you and he'll be like it's gonna be like 600 bucks to take it in there get a replace he's like ah it's like 80 dollar part i just ordered it on amazon and put it in myself you're awesome you are awesome he's a

throwback yeah he's a real throwback and watching the throwback try to utilize modern technology to get things done is a hilarious situation like that tweet to ford but my dad i mean it skipped a generation i mean i i have calluses on my hands right because i work out and i do things like that but if i didn't lift the way that i lift whether it's like olympic lifting i would have the softest hands on earth and my dad would slap me in the face if he ever saw how weak i am when it comes to like man stuff like classic man stuff and I think he just refuses he turns a blind eye to it like something we're breaking my house and I'm like scared to even ask him like that there's something fucking going on with this

sensor and he just goes it's almost a sigh of like I let you down teach you down i didn't teach you anything i didn't teach you anything i just had so much add i think he tried i just wouldn't stick around changing tires building cars fixing this fixing that he's so impressive and i just can't do shit i can change a tire and i guess i could change oil if i really had to but when it comes to all that other stuff, I can't either. I can't fucking do it. I grew up with, all my friends were into it. They can all work on their own cars and build their own houses.

I can't do anything. I can barely hang a picture on the walls. I feel like it's a pretty effort thing. I feel like it is a lot of effort, but if you just naturally know, like Tim McAvee will go under a brand new car that he's never seen before, and he'll be able to be like,

oh yeah, fucking, this thing's good. Yeah yeah give me some scissors this thing's interfering with the this sensor and it's doing that it's all metal i don't know how that works i would like to see him get in on that tesla and see if that could just boggle his mind that would be incredible absolutely incredible all right speaking of, you need a double A. It's a battery joke. A bad joke? Battery. Hey, I went after you a little bit after the show ended for your music selection.

A lot of people thought I was being rude to you. No, come on. I mean, I was. I loved it. It led me to the better path that I'm on right now. Yeah, you're better for it. Zito is currently being forced to take at least four shots a show, a live show. And shots mean Zito's special brain creates something.

And because he has to do stuff, I think he gets a filter sometimes. And he doesn't let the brilliance or the stupidity come out. So I have forced him now that he has to take four shots a show. At least if something comes, you've got to let it go. If you have the ball, you've got to put it up, whatever it is. And I think that's going to make our show a better show going forward. I honestly think that is. The no salt in the Pacific Ocean thing.

There's just numerous situations that come from this brain i think it's gonna make our show better but what i learned today is you will never ever ever again touch the fucking music that was the worst end song to a show that i've ever heard my entire life of any show that's ever been on anything in the history of anything i will say it did say cinematic so i thought it would be very cinematically good ending, but it did not do a good ending at all. Yeah, I learned that too. It did not do a good ending at all.

Cinematic means like, yeah, just crappy music like you would hear during the credits in a song. It was called Avalanche. I thought it would be better. It came crashing down for sure. The thought of you, Zito, is you're so talented at so many things, but at the same exact time, just so inept. Yeah.

And it makes no sense. It's a perfect balance. Complete and utter buffoon at times. I don't know what inept means. Exactly. There will never be another Jose Zito Perez, and we're all lucky to have you in our lives Thank you

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the people at the top of the mountain are at the top of the mountain. I enjoy learning what he has done to get him to where he's at. I like that type of stuff. I enjoy that type of stuff. That's why I was so lucky to play alongside Peyton Manning and Vinatieri and these people. It's inspiring to learn how they do what they do to get to the top of their field.

By the way, most of it revolves around just working your ass off. That's a lot of it, but a lot of it has to be naturally gifted, genetics and everything like that. You have to fall in place, and it's interesting to learn about so i've always been a lebron james fan and i don't think i ever followed along close enough off the court to really understand why everybody hates him and i have a lot of friends nick maraudo my friend nick who's on this show on a daily basis i mean he hates lebron james he's hated him for a long time but nick is a notorious hater so it's like, I can't really take that serious.

I can't be like, okay, Nick hates this guy, so that must be real. But then you start hearing a lot of people on the internet, everybody's kind of turning against him. Even if you didn't hate him, you're kind of turning against him. I was always like, what are we doing, guys? What are we doing? And then now that I'm in this position, I've been paying attention more. He is

a tough guy to like. I mean, it is a tough human to like. and i normally am not a fan of things if i don't like the person if i don't like the human that's in the band i'm not going to support the band right i can't separate the music or the art from the human i can't do that so i always just assume lebron's good guy i'm like lebron's good guy i like him he's good at his thing he's at the top of the mountain people like throw rocks at shiny things taylor swift said that that's kind of what's happened with LeBron. He's been great for so long.

People just hate him because of that. Then you start paying attention. You're like, yeah, this guy stinks. This led so much credibility to the criticism because you have been defending him, I mean, hard for a very long time. The Taco Tuesday thing, that's where it all started with me. I'm like, come on, dude. Yeah. No self-awareness.

Come on, guy. Last year, I mean, he showed up to the court drunk a couple times. where it all started with me i'm like come on dude yeah no self-awareness come on guy last year i mean he showed up to the court drunk a couple times had his wine he was a wine connoisseur which by the way if you have millions and millions of dollars having a sophisticated palate is definitely something you can buy that is something you can buy so everybody's like oh he thinks he knows wine he doesn't maybe he does He doesn't. Maybe he does. You don't know. Probably. Probably just went up to a vineyard and bought the whole place and said, hey, smart guy who has a better palate than me.

Teach me everything I need to know. I want to get drunk and show up at basketball games, which is what he did last year. So I didn't hate that. He's worked hard. Take a little break. Yeah. You've been in the playoffs ever since you're 18 years old. You want to take a year off because your team stinks.

Might be your fault. The team stinks. But that's neither here nor there. Your team stinks. Just show up. years old you want to take a year off because your team stinks might be your fault the team stinks but that's either here or there your team stinks just show up do what you got to do take a year off you're in los angeles start 45 shows try to sue nick saban for a barbershop idea that you thought you created even though there's an entire movie series about do whatever you got to do okay but these last couple months it has become damn near impossible to be a LeBron James human fan. And that China thing was just the, there was a cherry on top. I'm like, come on, bro. Stand for something

even if you have to sacrifice everything. Unless, unless, it is going to sacrifice everything financially, then you've got to backpedal completely. Do I think he was put in a bad position that I even have to speak about that? Yes. I think they were put in a bad spot. Adam Silver admitted that on Get Up yesterday while I was standing

in the background while Greeny was interviewing him. Or on Monday, I mean. But that just became a part where I was like, come on, man. Then the talk on Tuesday, I'm like, come on, man. Then he starts yelling during the National Anthem with all this stuff. You would think that he's going to put 70 up, 80 up. Instead instead they lose to the Clippers In the opening game of LA

In LA and it's like LeBron It's becoming tough to be a fan of yours And I've been a noted fan of yours I got a pair of Bron Bron shoes All of them that come out I got them I'm trying to support the biz dog I think you're going to be a billionaire I'm happy for you You've done it all right

Literally taking care of your mom taking for you. You've done it all right. Literally. Taking care of your mom. Taking care of everything. You've done things right. But you've just become this insufferable human off of the court that it's tough to like. So now anything I talk about LeBron is going to be strictly on the court base.

And last night he got bodied by Kawhi. So I just can't. I don't even know if that's true. I didn't watch the game. I fell asleep. It was on at like 4 a.m. I don't know what you want from me. I know they lost and he only scored like two points in the fourth quarter. That's not winning basketball.

But, man, I just can't do it anymore with the guy. I'm fed up. I'm absolutely fed up. He just can't help himself. I think that's it. But I also wouldn't be surprised and I wouldn't hate it if he just embraced it and just went full heel turn. I think he has.

I think he has, too, because so many people are taking shots at him, and he's taking shrapnel from everywhere, and he has so much money. Why not just be like, all right, screw you guys, screw everyone. I'm going to make sure you hate me then. I think the tuck-go-to-day thing was the start of it. He was still trying to be babyface then. Babyface in wrestling terms is liked. I think he was still trying to be babyface then. Babyface in wrestling terms is like, I think he was still trying to be babyface,

show that he's relatable. Look what we do. Look what we do. We have a little taco bar. Hard shell, soft shell. We're just like you. That's what LeBron's saying. I'm just like you, trying to be relatable.

That backfired because he tried to copyright it. Everybody's like, come on, dude. Chi-Chi's had that thing years ago. Come on. So that kind of turned a little bit bit and then the china situation where he decided to come out and speak about it i think that was when he mentally was like all right everybody's gonna hate me for this for sure here we go and then last night middle of the national anthem starts yelling he's let's go he has fully embraced being a, which I don't think he's been trying to do for the last 10 years. A lot of people viewed him as a heel for the last 10 years.

I think now he has fully just embraced it. And if they can win, that's cool. But if you lose, if you start to lose, that's going to be tough. I mean, he'll be a billionaire. He's going to be in the Hall of Fame. He's going to be considered one of the greatest of all time. He's always going to be in discussion with MJ and Kobe. It's just the way it's going to go.

He's done a lot of that stuff. But I just wish he wouldn't have become such an insufferable human being. Because I was a fan. And whenever I'm a fan of something, it turns out that they just stink. It's tough for me because I start taking shots. I start getting texts. Did you see what your guy did? I never met the guy.

Did you see what your guy did? They've met the guy. Did you see what your guy did? They've been coming in abundance with LeBron lately. Everybody I know has been saying, AQ Shipley. Oh, my God, there's a guy. He'll send me a text, anything LeBron does. Still think he's better than Jordan? Because I've always said, if you just look at what Bron Bron is, he's like 6'8", 260 pounds.

Freak. Freak athlete. Insane athlete. He's playing in an era where they cater to a scorer. Let's assume that the 6'8", 260-pound guy would have been able to adapt to basketball back in the day. Let's assume the guy that should be playing power forward who can run points could have adapted to basketball back in the day. Everybody's like, well, he wouldn't have been able to make it, but yes, he would have. Yes, he would have.

Would Jordan have done better nowadays? I assume. Oh, yeah. I assume. I assume he would have done. By the way, not as many little white guys playing nowadays either, though. Something to think about. Okay?

Yes, the hit from French Lick was a nightmare on the court, but there's a lot. You watch those highlights of Michael Jordan at the show? A lot of Uncle Bums running around on their thing, where I've seen on the streets at like's a lot of you watch those highlights of michael jordan at this show a lot of uncle uncle bums running around on their thing where i've seen on the streets at like a family reunion of mine so i i just always said that he should be in the conversation the greatest player of all time yeah the guy's been in the playoffs like 45 years straight he's taking terrible teams to the finals he's won finals mvps he's hit clutch shots even if he's missed clutch shots, which Michael Jordan has also done.

Let's just assume that that guy would have been able to adapt to the game back then. Let's just assume he would have been able to do that, which is what I always said. I'm like, yeah, he's the greatest player of all time. When he's done, nobody's saying this guy's the greatest player of all time. Now he's making it so hard to say he's good at basketball because of how bad he is off the court.

And I hate it. I hate everything about it. I want to send my shoes back. I don't even want to wear them. Send them back to China. You know what I mean? Bro, bro. I am so mad about it. If he wins that game last night, I'm a completely different human right now. But instead, he loses it.

On opening night, after all the antics, I needed him to drop 60 there last night quick. Instead, I got 60 text messages this morning like,ics, I needed him to drop 60 there last night. It's quick. Instead, I got 60 text messages this morning like, I see what your guy did. Lost it. Two points in the fourth quarter.

I'm like, I'm done with it. He did show up drunk, though. I mean, he just showed up with wine. And he let the ball, what, roll out of bounds last year? They rolled the ball down the court. He's trying to save clock in, like, the middle of the first quarter. He just lets it roll right out of bounds. I'm like, come on, Bron Bron.

He did it two times in one game too, right? Yeah, and then one time he just picked it up and hocked the three from half court. That guy gave no dams last year. I wouldn't either, though. He did look drunk. Yeah, he looked drunk on the court last year. And I'm not saying that as a journalist who did an investigation and sent him a breathalyzer. I'm just talking about the antics he was doing on the court.

It looked like he completely gave up. I would too, by the way, if I had four shows bought by HBO, NBC, and a Space Jam series coming out, and I was making bazillions of dollars, and I'm trying to copyright talk a Tuesday all at the same time. I can understand how you can give up, but the greatest of all time you would hope would act differently. Well, and I think a lot of people share your sentiment. If they start this season, let's say, like, 5-10 or something like that, I guarantee everyone's going to be calling for his head in L.A. and for the Lakers to blow it up.

He might ax Frank Vogel himself. I love Frank. By the way, I completely forgot Frank Vogel was their head coach. Yeah. Well, LeBron's the head coach, but he's the – Ah! Yeah. I, LeBron's the head coach, but he's the. Ah. Yeah. I'm telling you.

First sign of things going wrong, LeBron's team will float that out there. Like, hey, we've got to get Vogel out of here. He's the problem. He's the issue. His name's Frank. Okay. He's kind of a boring guy, it looks like, from the outside. Frank Vogel's a G, by the way.

He spent a lot of time in Indianapolis. I've been at plenty of charity events with Frank Vogel. Good dude. Hopefully they turn it around. But right now, on this given day, Wednesday, October 23rd, I'm sick of LeBron. And I never thought this was going to happen.

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