The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 003 - Carson Palmer, Gary Vee, & Richie Incognito

Episode Date: September 11, 2018

On today's show, Pat starts by remembering all the men and women and heroes who lost their lives on 9/11. The guys then dive into this week's NFL games and what some of their big takeaways were, and Coach Gruden calls in to give his thoughts on Khalil Mack and being back on the sidelines. Pat also tells the story about how he initially heard that Andrew Luck hurt his shoulder snowboarding and what it was like trying to figure it out around the building. Also joining the show is three great guests. First, former Heisman Trophy winner and 1st overall pick, Carson Palmer, joins the show to chat about his upcoming Football Life on NFL Network, who the most special athlete he played with was, and what he's doing post retirement (42:51-59:06). Next, media mogul Gary Vee calls in to chat about his Jets, and his relentless pursuit to own them (1:01:23-1:18:36). Closing out the show is 4x Pro Bowler Richie Incognito to discuss mental health and his foundation (1:19:45-1:33:33). Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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While watching the Twin Towers attack unfold, the heroics of those who decided to sprint towards the horror were what captured my attention. It taught me a lesson that no classroom could teach. There is a lot more good than evil in this world, and that still rings true today. September 11th was a day that was supposed to make us live in fear that something terrible could happen whenever at any given moment. But in the complete opposite turn of events, 14-year-old me saw something that made me grateful for others in the days we have. Let's enjoy the hell out of this life no matter what's trying to bring us down. Big thanks to all of the service members in New York

that ran into the war zone and into the catastrophic events to save people. And rest in peace to those we lost on 9-11-2001. I will never forget that day. I was in class. I believe I was in a computer class. We turned on the TV. The teachers seemed to be panicking. And then all of a sudden, boom, the second plane went into the building. I mean, it was as soon as the TV went on.

And everybody thought as kids it was possibly a movie. Are we watching a scripted event? No, no. It everybody thought as kids, it was possibly a movie. Are we watching a scripted event? No, no. It was something very real, very serious. And in Pittsburgh, we actually had a little bit of a part because a third plane went down around Pittsburgh and it was big news everywhere. So with that being said, none of us in this room will ever forget what happened on 9-11. None of us will ever forget the heroics of the New York City Fire Department, Police Department, military, those who went into the scary place to do heroic things. With that being said, we're going to have the greatest Tuesday in the history of goddamn Tuesdays in their honor,

by the way, in their honor. We live in the greatest country on earth, and today is the reason to go ahead and celebrate the hell out of that. Today we got a lot of interviews. We got Carson Palmer chit-chatting about his football life, which is premiering on NFL Network. You would think this. Carson kind of standoffish. He opens up to us. It was a good conversation with him.

Also, Richie Incognito's first interview since a pretty large incident happened just a couple weeks ago in Arizona at a funeral home and he talks about mental health I think you're going to learn a lot from Richie Incognito I got some tweets from people why would you give him a platform to speak well to be honest I think he deserves one only one side of this story has been told this whole time and you're talking about a man and you're going to hear from his words, who has put his brain through a lot. And I think he's finally come to the realization that there might be something wrong with him. And that is a big, big ordeal. Also, an apology that I think you should hear from that man. I'll be excited to kind of see what Richie Incognito does in the future.

And also, after last night's wild turn of events on Monday Night Football, those commentators were dog shit. It was so bad. I was going to lay off because ESPN has reached out to me about potential working together. But it felt like I was watching a Mac-tion game. It felt like we were watching a Mac-tion game. At one time, there was dead silence.

I had no idea what to do. Beth normally does the noon games during the Big Ten, like a Northwestern Illinois game. That's her sweet spot. And then Greasy was fucking terrible. That's the first Monday Night Football game of the year, though, right? Yeah. And that's what they led off with.

You've got this whole new team, and Jason Witten there and Tessitore and Booger McFarlane scooting down the sideline on his little crane. And that's what they led off with. That was a terrible decision. I thought it was bad TV. I think there's a lot of people that maybe even tuned out strictly because of how bad it was.

Yeah, they always have the B squad on the first week of the year. It used to be Berman and Dilfer, and Berman was so bad too at calling play-by-play. But I assume they wanted to save the A squad with Tessitore and Witten and who did you say? Booger McFarlane. Booger. Still could have been similar.

But is that because Gruden was there and they were like, look, this is our new guy? Like, is that what ESPN was trying to do to Gruden at the Raiders game? Because it doesn't make – I didn't stay up for that second game. It was so late, so, so, so late. But in my eyes, Monday night football, you had an electric weekend of NFL. I mean, there was a tie at one point aaron rogers heroics by the way hit my poem please cue the music

hopes were high she's heads about to climax so close to their tvs it's like they were watching on imax the great 12 a roge was back under center. Super Bowl bets hammered the Packers they entered. It all happened so fast. In a jiffy he went. Gosh darn it, they said, as they saw his knee bent. Off to the locker room, he went on a cart. We suck again, they sigh sighed you could hear optimism depart then after half a man reappeared like a savior who left re-emerging to cheers down 17 zip could he pull off the feet left knee was bummed couldn't even use his two feet but off he went slinging the rock all around, dropping dime after dime, proclaiming, This here, this here is my town. One hail Mary in the corner and a couple to Cobbs.

They kept scoring and scoring, defying all odds. A magical tale was complete when the clock finally hit zero. That man's not my quarterback. That man is my hero, they said. A miraculous victory he brought to Green Bay. All hail King Rogers, is what the Packers do say. A reading about Aaron Rogers. Thank you.

That did well on the internet. Yes, it did. That poem did well on the internet. But Aaron Rogers,. Thank you. That did well on the internet. Yes, it did. That poem did well on the internet. But Aaron Rodgers, Sunday Night Football. Then ESPN has Monday Night Football, potential big thing. And it was dog shit. And I don't think it was her fault. I don't want this to sound like a lot of people were tweeting people that were saying it was bad.

It was like, oh, because a woman's called? No, because I thought man or woman, they did a terrible job. Yeah, like I got a couple that were like, oh, because it's a girl on what I tweeted. But I was like, no, I'm saying she's better than greasy. Yes. So this isn't a sexist statement at all. Of the two, she's better. Todd fired at Iowa out of nowhere.

This looks like a high school Iowa football game, which is wild. It was bad, though. But the Jets, the Jets really came. Darnold looks like he can really play. I'm assuming there's going to be some rookie learning curves where he's going to fuck up. We'll talk to Gary Vee, who his life goal is to buy the Jets. Die hard fan.

He was at the game last night. He sells shoes. He sells wine. He motivates, inspires. He consumes no content. Can't wait to ask him about that. Only reads in the comment section. Doesn't watch anybody else's shit. I told him this morning

I left Barstool. He said, really? I didn't know that. I'm like, you really do not pay attention to anything. I can't wait to chat with him about the Jets. And honestly, the NFL weekend was beautiful. And let me tell you why. Because I gambled on it. And did I win on Saturday and Sunday?

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$1,000 in no match. You can gamble on anything and everything. Speaking of, this Thursday, beat Pat McAfee 1150 AM. I will be throwing footballs into a garbage can, attempting to throw footballs into a garbage can from 30 yards out. Last week, I hammered my bookie. They said a very low over-under in the three-point shooting thing. I hammered it.

This time, 6.9 balls into the trash can in five minutes. That's a tough. I'm going to be honest when I say that. That is a tough one. Because you drop a dime to get it in there. Get it to stay in the garbage can is very difficult. You always see the videos on the internet of Aaron Rodgers slinging it into a little thing.

That's not his first throw. And if it is, if he goes back at it, he's not going to hit it. That's a tough throw for almost anybody. But for me, I get five minutes. I need to hit seven. Seven in five minutes. We'll see how it goes. Sam last night, who was addicted to gambling, she hammered the Los Angeles Rams as well last night. If you watch

quick hits with Patton Diggs every night at 8 o'clock, we told you, hammer the Rams heavy. Now, was it a backdoor cover, Diggs? For the team over, it was for you. The Rams going into the fourth quarter, they outscored them 13-0. So it was nice. So that game started at what, 1 a.m.? It finished at 1.35, I believe.

I was pissed off because Johnny Hecker hit some bombs, I guess. And Greg Zerline hit a 55-yarder. And I wake up, and I just have tweets from people like, oh, nothing for this, nothing for this. I'm like, guys, sleeping. I live over here in American Standard Time. What do you want from me? I was sleeping.

I was pissed off that I missed Johnny Hecker perform. I'm not happy about that. Now, granted, I know in Dalmican Sioux, Aaron Donald back in the game, but I was upset that I missed Johnny Hecker. Possible bombs. That's what I heard, dude. And he pinned him, too. He was the beginning of the brand for the brand videos.

I did a video last year of Johnny Hecker in the first week hitting a banana punt, which no punter hits in games because it's honestly a nightmare of a punt. You can punt that thing six yards out of nowhere if you miss by half an inch. I post that video, explain it. It leads into a Wall Street Journal article. Bing, bang, boom, four for the brand videos are started.

And now last night, because the way ESPN operates, couldn't just put them at the main one. Couldn't just put them at the main one. Just put them at the main one. They didn't want the game to start at 4 o'clock, I assume, in California. Who cares? Imagine that traffic. Move that to 8. Move it to the Monday

night football 8 o'clock game. And just have one instead of us having to deal with this college, high school, amateur production and then a 1 a.m. L.A. Rams-Raiders game. I want to watch Johnny fucking Hecker. How did the Rams look, though? They have so many big names. How'd Goff look?

Did Gurley ball out? Gurley's fucking insane. He's the best running back in the league. Now that Lev's out or just in general? I think he is Lev. Lev can catch the ball a little bit better and maybe is slightly more elusive. But Gurley is so much faster and he is very elusive as well. Gurley just looked very good last night.

Goff looked good, not great. You know when Goff went to that JCC or whatever, that junior college, and he was missing some balls? I was thinking, is Goff just a one-hit wonder? Just one season with McVay, he did well because he did that Red Bull thing, and he was missing throws. He was missing throws. The black hole was on fire.

I love him. I love him over there. First half, because the first half, the Raiders looked like the better team. What happened to Marshawn Lynch? They put a high school photo of Marshawn Lynch. Not good for the brand of Marshawn Lynch. Nobody's ever looked like that. And they looked like marshawn lynch they put a high school photo not good for the brand nobody's ever looked like that marshawn looked like marshawn marshawn lynch is my favorite human on earth i've done videos about it i mean that thing one you can go through all the things marshawn

lynch has done that makes him the most electric human walking this earth they sent his ass over to ireland with skittles and just had him interact with humans that's all there was no script just go interact with white people overseas and we'll film it. Marshawn Lynch is an electric human. Him and Bear grills the whole kit and caboodle. I've talked about it. That high school photo though, not good for the Marshawn Lynch brand.

What was that? What was going on there? I don't know. I assume mom made him dress up like that and put on some glasses for the class picture. Didn't have any dreads. Man, you think he's saying the town, town business? I assume he's not happy they put that up last night. No way. They're going to get a call from Peace Mo.

Him dragging that safety. Oh, yeah, he still runs hard as fuck. I was in tears, crying, laughing. What was it, four yards? He had five people literally on top of him, and he scores a touchdown. With one leg. With one leg. Why one leg? Well, no, the he scores a touchdown with one leg with one why one leg well

no the safety was was wrapped his one leg was that peter's on his uh i can't remember who it was josh johnson or jackson or something just going for a ride on the ground on his back holding onto his leg so do we think the la rams are going to be good and we think the raiders aren't going to be terrible yes i think that's good yeah the raiders the raiders looked better than i thought they would last is coach gruden back there ty yeah yeah he just called in actually okay hey coach Gruden I got a question for you saw Khalil Mack Sunday night wow made you look terrible how do you feel about the Khalil Mack trade hindsight now we'll get to the game with the Rams but how do you feel hindsight about the whole Khalil Mack thing well let me just say first things first man uh let's keep in mind Khalil Mack thing. Let me just say first things first, man. Let's keep in mind Khalil didn't want to play in Oakland.

That's what I keep hearing you saying, but isn't there some sort of price you could have paid, Khalil? I mean, I suppose we could have, but listen, I came to him before the season. I said, look, man, I've always coached linebackers who either have the neck roll or the extended neck roll. He didn't want to do it, and I said, listen, man, you either do that or I'm shipping your ass out of town. He didn't want to do it, so see you later.

So it wasn't money at all. It was all about equipment. No, I like my linebacker. You remember Zach Thomas? I like my linebackers looking just like that. Slow white guys who just look tougher than shit, man. Coach, you guys lost to the Rams last night. Everybody on earth was expecting that, but you had a better debut, I think,

than most people thought. How do you feel about the Raiders going forward? I think we'll be all right. I'd like people to just get off my dick for a second. I think if Derek Carr stops playing like David Carr, then we might have a jam going forward. That's all I'm going to say about that. Thanks, Coach.

I appreciate that. I opened Twitter this morning, and the first thing I saw, the top trending topic was Derek Carr is being trolled for awful performance. And then you guys tell me it was close in the first half. What happened with Derek Carr? He definitely fell apart in the second half. There was a throw that he was fine in the pocket, and he just threw it up to the left flat,

and nobody was there except for a defender to pick it off. And then he threw the pick six at the very end, which wasn't really his fault. The wide receiver kind of stopped his route. But, yeah, there was some questionable decisions from Derek Carr last night. So is that because he's got a brand-new offense with 45 words per play that he's overthinking, or does it look like it's just all 100% quarterback fault? Because there was also like a third and ten earlier in the game

where he was in a clean pocket and kind of just threw it away when he didn't have to. Good. It looked like he was just a little rattled last night. I like that a lot. I like whenever people do that. Also, did you see what came out last night about the Rams and Klumek? No.

So you know how last week it came out that they made an offer to him? Yep. So it came out last night that the offer they did make him an offer but they weren't trying to pay him for long term. They were literally trying to rent him for this season just for a Super Bowl run and then they knew they would lose him next year. So that's exactly what the Rams are doing with all these players. That's why

they're bringing everybody. Hey, we're going to try to win it right now and then you can get the hell out of town. We all understand it. We all get it. I love that. I love that strategy by the way. If it works. If it doesn't work, you're kind of fucking yourself for the future. But I love that strategy. If you're Cleo Mack, why don't you take that?

Well, because he got $100 million in Chicago. That money would still be there anywhere else. You take the cheeseburger today. What does that even mean, Zito? Well, you're going to get a lot of money for one year. It also wasn't his decision. It was a trade. No, you don't think he had

anything to do with i'm assuming he was a part i assume if he's not showing up to the raiders and isn't doesn't want to be part of their team anymore they're not listening to his wishes on the trade really that is very interesting to me i don't know i've always wondered how that works because they're gonna get the best deal for the raiders i did ask chuck to be traded one time whenever he wanted me to go punt in the hall of fame game whenever i had like a twisted knee or something like that and i had a conversation with him i was like if you want me to punt in this game that literally means less than a preseason game and i just twisted my shit last week like i'd rather play somewhere else to be honest i'd rather play somewhere else and he'll pat we're

not gonna trade you you're not gonna kick either so just get out of here i'm like thank you so i've never really been a part of those types of situations. But I'd assume that the player and his representative are a part of it. I don't know, though, because it did become a bit toxic there towards the end. Gruden was taking shots at Khalil Mack. Khalil Mack wasn't showing up at anything. So maybe they did just ship his ass. The Rams said the reasoning why the Raiders didn't go through with this deal is that the Raiders thought the Rams were going to be picking too low.

So they went with the team who they thought would be picking higher and they were going to get more far. Oh, so they said the Bears are going to suck. So John Gruden took a shot at Khalil Mack and the Bears. Pretty much. Yikes. That Bears team looks good, by the way, out of nowhere. Aaron Rodgers does what Aaron Rodgers does, though.

That was unbelievable. Diggs on Quick Hits yesterday said, possibly the game of the day, he called it. That might be the game of the season, and it's the first weekend Sunday night football. Good for them. As a Bears fan, though, that's got to be heart-wrenching. It is heart-wrenching, but definitely looks good for the future. It does.

Yeah, they're young. It's going to be a good outcome no matter what. And Mitchell's got a hose, bro. He was making some throws in that first half. He looked comfortable. And in the second half, he was scurrying and making plays out of nowhere. He looked good. Mitchell looked good. The defense looked solid.

I mean, the Bears need to be in a much happier place than they were before. Yeah, it's clear that in that division, the Lions are by far the fucking worst. Out of nowhere, they lose to the Jets last year. They were so bad. The camera guys were doing them so wrong. They were doing the fan leaving camera. So, like, was it the third quarter they were doing that?

Yeah. Yeah, every fan that was leaving, the camera would zoom in. It was a tie game, and then they scored 31 in the third, and that was it. I saw, when I saw Prater miss that 55-yarder, which is not what Prater does. Prater makes 55-yarders. Prater wakes up, parties, buries long field goals.

That's what Matt Prater does. When he missed that, I knew it seemed like something was off there. The New York Jets special teams, by the way, balling. One long return and then a tutter. Shout out Brant Boyer, my former assistant special teams coach, who is now the head special teams coach for the Jets. Very, very happy for him. If you remember, they worked out Dan Bailey last week.

They chose Jason Myers over him. Jason Myers has a big day, and the return happens. Very, very happy for Br. If you remember, they worked out Dan Bailey last week. They chose Jason Myers over him. Jason Myers has a big day, and the return happens. Very, very happy for Brant Boyer. Did you see that stat, though? The defense has not returned an interception for over five years. Yeah, five years. That's an incredible stat. In New York? Yeah, they haven't had a defense touchdown in five years. Wow.

Because they had Mohamed Wilkerson for a while, who's very explosive on the inside there for a while. That secondary is awesome. They are very good. They knew the plays. What's that? They said it.

They knew the plays. They knew everything Stafford was going to do, even his hand audibles. They knew exactly where he was going. That's why he threw four picks. That's like Seattle taking on Peyton back in the day in the Super Bowl where they knew exactly what Peyton was going to do at all times. That's tough to handle when that starts happening. Jim Bob Cooter, who is running the same offense, I think, as Peyton was running, that's a very interesting thing

because Peyton was always very particular, when he was with the Colts at least. And that's why it was so hard to learn the offense. I'm assuming Tom Brady's this way as well and Aaron Rodgers. Whenever you depend on signals a lot, you have to change them on a regular basis so people don't catch up i wonder what happens with stafford and the lions they're gonna have to change up

everything if they're getting they're getting told that the other team hey hey we knew everything you were doing just for future reference that's a wild situation in detroit that was his worst game i think of his career right there that's sad he heard his knee too right didn't he yeah he took a shot he's got a lot of hats and then we were talking about this last night because he took a shot in the stomach and clearly lost his breath yeah we were talking about how thankful we are that we don't do that in our lives anymore remember last night that you lost your breath like the wind got knocked out of you the worst feeling in the world it really is and that's such a relatable feeling because everybody experiences that at some point.

Those quarterbacks experience that, I think, once a week whenever they get tackled and all their breath just leaves them. You think it's never coming back. You just got to sit there and tell yourself, it's going to come back. When he started to panic and he started tapping his chest real fast, I was like, oh, that's the worst. Because it's just like when people eat edibles for the first time. You're like, you're going to come down. With that thing, you're like, you're not going to die. You will breathe again.

Very much, because it does feel like you're going to die. This weekend, football was wild, though. It was wild. That punter just dolphin diving into the Army kid's chest on Saturday. What a wild situation. College football. I don't know how people love it, to be honest, but I'm getting into

it because i'm starting to gamble on it more i think that's the only way you could technically get into it but the nfl sunday i i thought was by the way no national anthem conversation yeah did you see nate boyer the green beret the guy that was with colin kaepernick he was supposed to go on msnbc on monday morning he was supposed to go on MSNBC on Monday morning. He was supposed to go on probably Morning Joe or something like that. He got an email saying, Looks like we need to cancel for today since the protest didn't take front stage and Trump hasn't tweeted about it. So sorry for the late notice on this.

Obviously, we thought this would be the top story when we planned ahead for your interview. Signed, MSNBC producer. Nate Boyer then says, this is the problem. Exactly. It's unbelievable. Isn't that wild, though? So they want to talk about racial injustices, right?

That's what Nate Boyer is going on for because he and Kaepernick were the ones that chatted about the National Anthem protests. He was a Green Beret, all that stuff. But instead, since it wasn't the topic of conversation week one nfl season that's not the number one story because a stupid guy almost broke his leg and then comes back and wins a football game in green bay sorry we can't talk about it anymore that's a wild thing but i am happy that hopefully a lot is happening towards

the racial injustice movement with the n NFL donating and things are coming to fruition that this can kind of become something in the rear view so we can keep it moving. Well, the NFL finally made a good decision. I think they listened to all of us and they decided not to make it a rule. They decided just to leave it, just let it go. Because there were some players and there was like three players who kneeled, but you just didn't hear anything about it because there was no rule against it or anything like that. But then there it is again, though, the NFL bringing something up. Like they brought it up during the owners meetings when he was about to die. They bring it up. Oh, big rule now. You will be punished if you do it. Then right before they're like, you know what? We won't punish it.

So now they bring it up again. It's like they're choosing to bring it up on a regular basis. Hopefully, though, hopefully some good will come from this whole thing. But Nate Boyer was not excited that his interview got canceled strictly because Trump hadn't tweeted about it yet. That's a wild move the president's got. You know what? The president didn't tweet about the national anthem on NFL Sunday. So I'm going to have to cancel your bullshit interview. That's a wild move.

The Browns Steelers tying. Still undefeated. Same with the Browns. Browns are undefeated tying. Still undefeated. Same with the Browns. Browns are undefeated too. People forget. You know what? I sat back and reflected and I thought about it, and the Steelers played one of the worst possible games you could possibly imagine

and didn't lose. Didn't lose. It's very tough to not lose whenever you're a minus five turnover ratio. Minus five turnover. Not minus one. Minus one, I think it sways to like 60% chance of loss. Minus two, I think it's up to like 75. Minus three, it's at like 80, 90% you're going to lose.

Minus five and walk out of there with a tie. On the road. With the chance to win, by the way. Boswell, one of the best kickers I've ever seen, pulls that one. He, I guess, was hammering 42 yarders for like five hours after practice yesterday just to kind of get it out of him boswell will come back bounce back and be great but with the chance to win on the road minus five you got to feel good as a steelers fan but as a browns fan as a browns fan still undefeated there was that stat that uh they put out that that teams that were plus five in turnovers were 134, 4-1 or something like that.

Wow. The one tie was the Browns, and two of the losses were the Browns. The dog pound doesn't deserve this. I'll tell you what, Lev Bell, system running back, too. That's wild you say that. He was out, and D'Angelo Williams just crushed it for four weeks when he was out, and then he's out now, and James Conner goes for almost 200 total yards.

System running back. You know, James Conner goes for almost 200 total yards. System running back. You know, James Conner, all he had to do was get two touchdowns and rush for 100 yards. And friend here, Nick Morado, would do his haircut, and Nick Morado is currently rocking the James Conner cut, which it seems as if there's two buzzes in the top of his head and then a mullet in the back. It's a wild scene.

Nick, how does that new haircut feel you know i'm still in the honeymoon phase where i just keep rubbing it because anytime you buzz your head it just feels good just to touch it yeah but i like i know i look like a hideous freak but i feel all right no i won't let you know there's a lot of people on the internet said you potentially look like a method which i understand that completely but i don't think you look that bad i thought you were gonna look a lot worse than you do. And James Conner himself said you look legendary. Said you look good.

James Conner, Shazier. Yeah, I mean, I did it for him. People were dogging him about the haircut, and he went out there and put on. I was like, you know what? This guy deserves it. You're a legend in Pittsburgh now, man. I don't know about that, but I'm not going to say that.

I would never say that. Other people are saying it. I mean, it is documented, but I'm not going to say that. I would never say that. Other people are saying it. I mean, it is documented, but I wouldn't. ESPN asked for rights in a photo. If Nick Morano ends up on ESPN today with this haircut, I think

we've really jumped the fucking shark here. What a wild scene Nick Morano ends up on ESPN. Maybe they should ask you to do commentating on Monday Night Football. Not a bad idea. I mean, can only go up, right? Yeah, can only go up. That was a bad show.

Yeah, it was not great. That was bad. They have to have someone else in the hopper. Like, throw Herbstreet and whoever. Who's with Herbstreet now? Rhys Davis, maybe? Rhys Davis. Throw, like, them on the Monday Night game just for fun.

Herbstreet is incredible, by the way. He is incredible. He's good at everything he does when he gets on the mic. For that pre-show, the college game day he's on there, smooth and looks good. He covers up for Lee Corso. He kind of just covers up the whole show. And then they fly his ass maybe sometimes across the country

and goes and does color commentator somewhere. He's incredible. I like Kirk Herbstreet a lot. He is a gifted individual on the microphone. That would be better than them each year throwing the B squad on the first game of the year. Like Zito said, the way they would let silence happen and just let it sit there, like just so amateurish,

you know what I mean? I'm all about letting a game breathe, but there comes an extent where, Todd, I think I've said this a couple times to people whenever they ask for advice when they come on a mic. You've got to be on a mic. Like when you come in, you've got to come in. If you sound soft at all,

or there's no bass in your voice, people don't take you serious. And it seemed as if, and this is more greasy than, what's her name? Beth Mullins. More greasy. He just sounded like he was not confident

on the microphone and maybe it was the way he was wired or something but he sounded like he was whispering there's no bass in his voice so monotone and like there's a time like if there's a great play in that's happening in front of you silence is the time then but they would do it like in between plays just be quiet like that's the time to talk. Now I need entertained because nothing's happening. ESPN has so many personalities and intellectual people on their roster that they could have pulled in there. And it was greasy they went with. Like, Hasselbeck could have went in there.

You could have put Randy Moss in there just to juice it up a little bit. Hey, man. Stafford playing like dog shit. I would have loved Randy Watson. Just inject some life into that. Did you hear when Greasy cleared his throat into the mic? No, no. He did a big...

What the fuck, dude? This morning, there was a moment of silence on, I think, the Today Show. And I was standing in my kitchen at attention with my lady just staring at the tv you know because it was a moment of silence for september 11th right and it was a long one this was an extended moment of silence and i just thought about the people who are on microphones at that moment dude they have to mic they have to mute their mics right because i was thinking of the tv person who's sitting there trying to be quiet, moment of silence,

and then like 45 seconds into it, you've got to like cough or sneeze. Wow, this magical moment is happening. And just broadcasting through the TV. It is very interesting that the cough button, you think there's a cough button. Here we have a very amateur setup. We do not have one. But you would think the ESPN Monday night football.

Monday night football is what I almost tweeted last night. Like, you are, that's the Super Bowl every week. Monday night football and Sunday night football are the big thing you can't. And I'm assuming, I feel bad for Greasy and the lady because they probably got off, checked their internet, and were like, people hated us. Hey, shout out to you for SVP giving the brand a shout out on SportsCenter. Oh, big deal. Yeah.

I mean, it wasn't great. It wasn't a good highlight. It was a punt return. Not great for the brand there. Sorry, McAfee. SVP, legend, by the way. Big fan of the way SVP works. But, yeah, I'm very, very thankful.

What surprised you most about everything this weekend, game-wise? For me, it was Tampa. Yeah. Fitz magic was unbelievable. Sam, my lady, I said this on Quick Hits, she bet the under in that game, which was 49. Tampa ended up with 48 themselves. So, I mean, that was a game that was just wide open.

The Saints, though, go from the Minneapolis miracle to losing to Tampa Bay first week with no thought at home. These are bad back-to-back games for the Saints. Drew Brees and the Saints. Everybody's picking them potentially for Super Bowl run. People are like, this is the year the Saints bounce back.

This is the year for the Saints. Bing, bang, boom. And then Ryan Fitzpatrick goes, no. This is my year. This is my year. He makes. Bing, bang, boom. And then Ryan Fitzpatrick goes, no, this is my year. This is my year. He makes me want to grow a beard. Yeah, if I could grow a beard, I think that's like you look at Steve Weatherford, right? Or you look at John Cena. That guy makes me want to work out.

The Rock. And it's like, you know what? Now I think about it. The Rock. And it's like, you know what? Now I think about it. I don't think my body would ever turn into whatever the fuck those guys' bodies are. That's like Fitz's beard is performance enhancing beard. It's glorious.

It is thick. It curls right. It's like it's straight out of a movie almost. It's beautiful. That's the same way Brett Kiesel, anytime I used to see his beard. Oh, yeah. And then he would shave it publicly in front of everybody. And look like the worst. Yeah, but he would rub it in everybody's beautiful. That's the same way Brett Kiesel, anytime I used to see his beard. Oh, yeah, and then he would shave it publicly in front of everybody. And look like the worst. Yeah, but he would

rub it in everybody's face. Yeah, but he'd rub it in everybody's face. Like, yeah, I can grow another one of these. No big deal. Yeah, no big deal. Like, no way that chin strap works, right? Over his beard? Of course it does. No way. That's too much fluff. Maybe it's gonna push it down. You've got too much

fucking fluff. By the way, to push it down. You have too much fucking fluff. By the way, Zito got a fade yesterday. Yeah, I did. How's it look? Take the hat off. You wore a hat today, so you're not too proud of it. It looks a lot better than what he had before. Yeah, you look like you're a groomed human. No, I just showered this morning. That's wild.

Yesterday on Heartland Radio, we got into a full discussion about how Zito doesn't shower in the morning. And he says, oh, I just wake up with energy, whatever. But he punishes everybody else in the office with his smell and everything. So it was my job to tell him to shower in the mornings. And I told him that it would be a better him, but really it's for the better of all of us. We appreciate it.

Yeah, this morning Zito has jumped on board. I'm a team player. You look fresh. Thank you. And you're still having more socks, though. Oh, this morning Zito has jumped on board. I'm a team player. You look fresh. Thank you. And you still haven't worn socks though. Oh, these are my slippers. My house slippers.

Those aren't yours. You stole those. Those aren't yours. They are house slippers. Yeah, yeah. My biggest surprise from week one. Yep.

The Andrew Luck releases that he had a shoulder injury from snowboarding Sunday morning. Smart move because there's going to be a lot of action all day. It's kind of going to get buried.

Good news, doctor. Rappaport had a bunch of news. And then nobody talked about it all day. Classic Sunday morning news. Rappaport was like, I'm back, breaking news. Turns out Luck sprained his AC joint snowboarding two years ago. And nobody made a big deal about it. Back to you guys.

They're like, okay, Andrew Luck battling shoulder. How's he going to look today? It's like, what about this snowboard story finally getting out? This was a well-kept secret, I think,

within the Colts organization. I didn't find out about it until six months later whenever I watched him practice and it looked like a lollipop was being tossed. And I go to vinatieri i go what the fuck is that ball what is that was a terrible throw and this was after he

made the 140 million dollar contract this was that next training camp right after we signed him he's throwing a ball and it did not look good it looked like literally i was throwing lefty when he was throwing and i'm like am i missing something he was like oh well he was throwing. And I'm like, am I missing something? He was like, oh, well, he got hurt last season. I'm like, I know he got hurt last season, but this looks bad. He was like, oh, you haven't heard. And I was like, ooh. I like a good drama, you know what I mean?

And Vinny is much higher in the totem pole of earth than me. He was like, well, I can't tell you if you haven't heard, but there is something that happened. And I was like, Vinny, what the fuck is that even mean? How can you just tell me that right now? He's like, well, I can't tell you if you haven't heard, but there is something that happened. And I was like, Vinny, what the fuck is that even mean? How can you just tell me that right now?

He's like, I can't tell you because I was told that I can't tell anybody, but this is something you should definitely dig into. So you went on a mission. Mission.

I went on a mission. I go into the cafeteria. You know, there's a guy in there that cooks food just for Andrew Luck. Look what's going on, man. How's it going? What do we got to's good yeah yeah um what's up with luck man he's

like uh i don't know dog what and i was like something happened to luck he goes uh what did something happen today to luck i'm like oh you playing fucking dumb with me and he goes i don't know man and i'm like yeah you shouldn't know anyways chef i would hope i would know before he's like oh now you're being disrespectful to me i'm like oh there's something fucking happening if you don't know i don't know i'm going to find out he's like well when you know you come back and tell me i'm like you got it so then i walk i walk into the equipment room right and i sit down those are my guys the equipment room or the blue collar guys they they are my guys still to this day i'm really good friends i shut the door okay they're like they're beating up the

balls a little bit and i bat the ball out of their hands okay i tell them to stop bat it out of their hands they're like what the fuck are you doing i'm like i need to know he was like what i need to know what happened to lucky oh buddy we can't tell you i'm like oh so you know they're like oh yeah we know i'm like how do you know that I don't know? He's like, big kept secret, bud. Took me a while to find out, though, if that means anything. I'm like, a while? I still don't know.

He's like, yeah, I thought you would know by now. I'm like, fuck you. So I walk out of the equipment room, okay? So now I know that there's people that know, and I'm the only one. It feels as if me and the chef are the only one that don't know, which makes sense, by the way, because that regime did not like me much. So then I walk into the training room. Now, this is the group that would definitely know.

And those people have been there since my rookie year. I've been through a couple surgeries with these people rehabbing. I thought they were my friends. So I sit down on a table. I'm like, I'm feeling a little something on the outside here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, is something wrong? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like i'm feeling a little something on the outside here yeah yeah yeah oh something wrong yeah yeah yeah i'm like oh i think i might have so i i act like i might have ripped something right so then all of them come over so now i got them all huddled they think that i ripped my fucking hamstring in training camp so now i got them all over there

and they started rubbing and they're like where at i'm like right right here right here yeah yeah they're like is that feeling better i'm like yeah yeah yeah what the fuck happened andrew they're like what are you talking about i'm like those little lollipop tosses out there look terrible something happened they're like nothing happened i'm like oh is that right because i was told something happened and i was told that i i'm the only one that doesn't know like who told you that i'm like a lot of people guys a lot of people so now i'm full dr. Phil mode, right? Now I'm talking to everybody. Bull.

I feel like I'm in bull. So now I'm looking at faces. Who's the weak link? And there was this young guy who's pretty new. He followed me on Twitter before he got in there. He's a fan of mine. So I start peppering him. I'm like, I'm going to get you to fucking break.

Right in front of his boss. I'm like, I'm going to get you to fucking break. He's like, not me. I want to keep my job. I was like, do you though? Long hours. This athletic training thing is nowhere near what you thought it was. You're here 5 a.m.

You don't leave until 9 p.m. You're never going to have a family. Aaron Burrill, who's the head physical therapist, is like, fuck you, McAfee. I don't need you doing it. I'm like, oh, are you going to tell me? He's like, no, I can't tell you. These are things that we can't talk about, Pat. I'm like, okay, sounds good.

So they all leave. And Vinatieri's next to me, dying laughing on the he's like you still don't know i'm like no i still don't put a full court press on everybody he's like well i'm not telling you i'm like well fuck you then right so the next day i see two people talking okay and these are two people that did know seem to know and i went and did like the old walk behind okay walk behind listen walk behind listen and i hear if it wasn't for that snowboarding and i go oh there it is so this is in the middle while other people are practicing i'm on a full like blues clues operation trying to figure out what the fuck happened okay if people when peyton when uh when when Peyton had his neck thing or whatever,

I didn't know until training camp when I walked into a room and I saw 45 wires on him and I was like, fuck, we're going to punt a lot this year. I was trying to find out about this whole situation, but no players knew really except for the guys. You know, this was something they were very, very hush-hush about. I've never seen anything like this before in our building, hush-hush. Maybe the Peyton neck thing.

That's really the only thing. So I finally, I hear two people talking, and they don't even know I'm behind them. If it wasn't for the snowboarding thing, I'm like, ha, ha! So then I go back into the training room. This time I faked a calf injury or something. I was like, oh, my fucking calf.

I think I might have lost it. And the athletic trainers go, I go, what fucking happened snowboarding? And they're like, who told you? I'm like, nobody told me, but I fucking heard. And they're like, we can't talk about it. I was like, what do you mean we can't talk about it? They're like, you know enough too much already.

That's all we can tell you. I'm like, okay. So then that locked it in right there, right? Snowboarding thing. That's years and years ago. So then that season goes on. Luck is throwing once a week. It's like his third or fourth year in the league at this point.

He's on a throwing schedule already. And everybody knew something was wrong. Peyton used to throw every single day, every single rep. He needed every single rep. Andrew was not throwing on Wednesday. He was not throwing on Thursday. He was only throwing on Fridays for some drills. He would hand off on Thursday.

Everybody knew something was wrong, and I had this snowboarding information. And I didn't tell Vinny I knew, by the way, until weeks later, because, to be honest, Vinny and I's friendship kind of got a little bit on the rocks because he didn't tell me. To be honest, I was not happy. I'm going to hold your balls, but you're keeping secrets from me, and I'm not happy. You can also hold a good grudge, too. Oh, one of the best.

One of the best. Did you ever tell a chef? No. I kept, I didn't. Listen. It's not his place. It's not my job to tell anybody anything. That chef and I are very tight. That's good though. That's good. But I was you know, I'm a seal. I'm locked in. I've had 200 podcasts by the

way. Knowing that there was a snowboard incident. You never said it one time, right? I mean this is something that I they kept it locked up and i understood that they wanted the only thing i'm having an issue with is them saying that him spraining his ac joint after having a shoulder injury was not did not affect his shoulder in a negative way at all that's the story that they were actually running with ian rapaport reports the snowboarding injury, which happened two or three months before he gets the biggest contract in NFL history, by the way.

Biggest contract in NFL history happens a couple months after this. Him getting flown out of Colorado after this snowboarding injury. The biggest contract in history goes onto a throwing schedule and they're saying it had nothing negative. How does an ac

sprain not negatively affect your fucking shoulder that's already injured i've had a few ac sprains they affect it negatively a lot but i don't even know how that's the angle they're going with like yeah yeah it was no negative effect on his already hurt shoulder it's like that's the biggest it was an ac sprain on your shoulder it's not like an AC heel on your shoulder. It had to have a little bit of a negative effect. Plus, it could have made the tail way worse. I mean, how do you even not? If you have an AC sprain, even not having an injured shoulder before,

it's like six weeks recovery, six, eight weeks recovery. You did it carrying groceries. Yes, exactly, exactly. But they did put him in the game still after that. That's wild. That's my big issue is after that AC sprain, even whether it was snowboarding or not, whatever it was, after his shoulder injury in 2015,

they were still trotting him onto the field to potentially get killed. They could have fucking killed Luck's career immediately instead of solving the problem, bing, bang, boom. And it's one of those situations where it finally got out, so I'm happy I could finally talk about it. But I want the world to know that that was not just easily found information that shit was wrapped up very tight in the colts organization and i had to literally snoop around glad you did thank you i should have released it though we'd break news here

yeah but you were being a good teammate i know thank you so much thank you thank you for that you're welcome all right let's get into some conversations we got very lucky to have with some legendary human beings carson palmer if you don't know who he is you should heisman winner the whole thing has an incredible conversation with us but first upstart has revolutionized how we borrow money by going beyond the traditional fight co score to offer personal loans taking into account factors like job experience and education when determining your interest rate. It's quick and easy.

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Friday night at 8 PM. Eastern American standard time. You can watch a football life with this man on NFL Network. The show features Larry Fitzgerald, Bruce Arians, Pete Carroll, Chad Ochocinco, and more. A man who's respected by all of his peers, an absolute stud in the every way the word can be used, Carson Palmer. That was a phenomenal intro. can be used, Carson Palmer. Cut.

That was a phenomenal intro. It sounds like you should be working at a horse track, calling the horses coming around the bend. I am currently unemployed. I will take that into consideration when thinking about it. Carson, let's get right into it. I know you don't have a lot of time because this, a football life on Friday, September 14th by NFL Network,

is going to be absolutely incredible. How's that whole process of filming and going did it get emotional for you at all while digging back into your football life yeah it did um you know it was it was a it was actually a pretty fun process i was dreading it i got kind of talked into it um but you know it's not always easy to have a camera crew in your house for an entire week and knock a whole show out in a week. But it was, you know, it was it was it brought up a lot of emotions that I kind of put away and had moved on from. And it gave me a chance to kind of reflect and go back in time and remember some great people, some great coaches, great teammates and kind of relive some of those experiences again. Did it give you some closure in certain places? some great coaches, great teammates, and kind of relive some of those experiences again. Did it give you some closure in certain places? Like, for instance, at the Bengals, I heard numerous stories about how shitty their entire facility was.

The food was bad. There's no indoor. These were all things not voiced by you, but by other people who played for the Bengals. Then you voice your concern with the Bengals. You actually retire, but you're too damn good. The Raiders bring you back. You actually leave the Bengals early due to what was it exactly about that whole situation? Was it a multitude of things or was there one certain thing with the Bengals? And is there any closure in the football life whenever it airs?

Yeah, it's never one thing. When it's a bad breakup, like anything, it's never one thing uh when it's when it's a bad breakup uh like anything it's never one instance or one one situation um it was just time but but pat you got to watch the show to good promo there carson that's a good that's my promo that's about as good as i get but yeah i mean it was it was um it was time to move on, and I'd been through enough with that organization. It was just time to try to move on for me. You do that, and you have a second career, basically. The Raiders was a quick stop, but then in Arizona, you and Bruce Arians kind of tag team,

and you become this incredible player. A.Q. Shipley sings nothing but your praises on a regular basis. What was it like getting to Arizona and almost finding a new home with the Cardinals? It was phenomenal. It was a breath of fresh air. It was a relief. It was just a great situation. I was there at the right time, playing for a great coach, a phenomenal GM, an unbelievable owner.

And then the roster of guys, the guys I got the opportunity to play with was special too. So it really was a second career, a second chance. And those are five years I'll never forget. It was a great opportunity for myself. My family loved being there. It was really special. You used three different adjectives there, I think is the word.

Great, phenomenal, and incredible. You have a big brain on you. You went to USC. A guy named Troy Paul. I normally just use great. I'm expanding. I'm developing and maturing now that I've retired. Well, now you're a TV guy. But you went to USC.

Big brain being in USC. Troy Paul Amalu was your roommate from what I've heard. Can you tell me why he's an asshole? What do you got against Troy? What's wrong with Troy? I was supposed to score a touchdown Heinz Field homecoming night game. It was a C-gap 100% guaranteed touchdown

on a fake field goal in his entire career. His entire career, Carson. All he did was line up on the other side. We went through film and film and film. Said if we ever get to this point on the other side we went through film and film and film said if we ever get to this point on the field it'll be a 100 percenter you walk into the end zone left c gap all of a sudden we get to game time we're in the exact position of when it is i grew up in pittsburgh

pennsylvania 100 percenter they say i'm supposed to score my first ever nfl touchdown on the same field i want to punt pass and kick and head and shoulders fucking Paul Amalu bounces his ass over right into the gap where I was supposed to score a touchdown first time in his career he lined up there Carson and I would like to know why he did that and why you were friends with him yeah he was good at doing stuff like that I had to play against him every day in practice in college and then sure enough day comes, and I end up going to the AFC North. And like a couple picks later, the Steelers trade up and snag him. So I had to play against him twice a year for almost a decade. And, man, he was a great, great, great player.

And he did that. He kind of did his own thing. You know, call him an asshole, call him whatever you want. He would line up on the left and then end up robbing the other side of the field or line up in the middle of the field and run over the other half and pick a ball off and make a tackle. And the guy was, him and Ed Reed were probably the two best defensive players I ever played against.

I obviously have nothing but respect for Paul Amalu, but he did ruin my one shining moment there at home. You've played with so many players. Ocho Cinco, Larry Fitch, Gerald, Paul Amalu in college. I assume the list goes on and on. Did you ever have a teammate of yours that you just thought, man, they say all men are created equal, but that's a bunch of bullshit.

You know, the guy I always think of when somebody has a line like that is I played in a Pro Bowl with LaDainian Tomlinson and handed the ball off to him like four or five straight times in the game. And this is the year he was the MVP. I don't know how many touchdowns

he scored. 25 or something touchdowns that year. One of his last couple years in San Diego. And I've never been in awe of somebody on a football field the way I was. And, again, this is a Pro Bowl, so he's playing against the best players at every position on the entire defensive football field. And I remember handing him the ball off and just turning and not even doing my bootleg or my naked.

I would just hand the ball off and turn around and watch him. He was playing at a different speed. He's playing against the fastest guys in the league and the best players in their positions. He would just find a way to bounce and skip and shoot through the hole and get six or seven yards and then find a way to get down so he didn't take a hit, pop back up and get back in the huddle. I just remember walking off the field. He ended up scoring a touchdown on that drive.

And I remember walking off the field being like, man, that dude right there is different. Do you watch the game still? Do you enjoy watching football now? And I asked this to Joe Thomas last week because a lot of the ex-players I talked to, they can't stand watching football. They kind of fell out of love with it, whether it was because of the profession or job or being forced to watch film on a daily basis. Do you enjoy watching football still?

And who are some players you enjoy watching? I love watching film. I have a tough time watching it. I tried to watch games yesterday, and I just had a tough time listening to some of the guys talk. Name, name, name. Who'd you hate? Who'd you hate? They all sound so uneducated in my mind and that's

strictly because when they talk about special teams they're idiots but was there anybody that you were listening to you're like how do these people get paid to talk about games because i have my list if you want me to go off first yeah you go first jay philia All right. Yeah, so anyways, I had a tough time watching. But I love watching games. I love breaking down game film and seeing what defenses are doing or seeing how guys are trying to stop guys. So I still have my DVS sport, which is the way coaches and players in the game, you know, at all levels of the game are watching the game.

But I enjoyed it. I enjoyed watching the Cardinal game. I just want to see how some of my buddies do or some of my buddies that are on other teams. So I don't feel the way that Joe does or some of the other guys you mentioned. I still love the game. I still love watching it.

I just have a tough time and need to hit mute every once in a while because some of the comments are unbelievable. I agree with that. Joe actually still love watching it. I just have a tough time and need to hit mute every once in a while because some of the comments are unbelievable. I agree with that. Joe actually said he liked it. It was the other folks I talked to. Did you get a chance to watch Aaron Rodgers in what he did last night? Is it amongst the quarterback fraternity? Do you guys

rate each other and rank each other or is it just like everybody love everybody? We're all making a lot of money playing football. No, everybody hates everybody.'re all making a lot of money playing football no everybody hates everybody everybody's bitter at everybody but no i i loved watching aaron play um he's i mean he's kind of like we were talking about earlier like ladanian thomas and he's just he plays a different level he can get more velocity on the on the football from every angle from every body position than anybody else in the game.

So I love watching Aaron play. I think he's head and shoulders above everybody else at the quarterback position. I think everybody knows that. But yeah, I mean, for the most part, most quarterbacks are all looking at other quarterbacks. He gets to play with so-and-so, or he gets to play for so-and-so. So there's a lot of hatred that gets built up between quarterbacks. Is there anything we're going to learn from a football life that's going to make us, play for so and so so there's a lot of hatred that gets built up between quarterbacks is there anything we're going to learn from a football life that's going to make us you don't have to tell us but is there anything that's going to be revealed in the football life that's going to make us go

huh i didn't know that about carson palmer or maybe wow that's a deep part of carson palmer that's revealed or is it uh mostly football fluff if that makes any sense i don't think it's a ton of fluff but i think there's a lot to be learned. Just because, I mean, I didn't play in big markets ever, really. You know, I didn't get to a Super Bowl. So, you know, the guys that are playing in New York and L.A. and Chicago, you know a lot about just because those are such big markets. And Cincinnati's not a big market.

Arizona is not real big. And Oakland isn't huge. So I think there's a lot to be learned. And, I mean, I'm not super philosophical or super deep. I'm pretty, what you see is what you get. But I think there's some stuff that might surprise some people. Does your brother still have that movie P.E.P.? Might surprise some people.

Does your brother still have that movie P app? Everybody loves to ask about his, it was called Run P. That's like, my brother's got 49,000 things going, and that is very far in the rear view mirror. And I couldn't tell you what's going on with that app or that app company. But I did, when that episode came out, I didn't even know he was involved with it. And I'll never forget, I was watching one of the Mission Impossibles.

I don't know why I went to the movie theater to watch a Mission Impossible movie, but I actually used it because I had a big heavy Mexican meal the night before and I had to go handle business like halfway through the movie. And so I actually used it one time and it worked. It was great. I have an active bladder, so I actually respect the hell out of that app idea. What are some hobbies of yours? Do you play tennis, golf? Do you like to have a couple

cocktails? What does Carson Palmer do in his downtime? I'm actually on my way to a really good bend in the river to fly fish, about 20 minutes South of me right now. So I like being outside. I like, I like fish. I love to hunt. I have three hunts that I've already got on my calendar hunt, uh, hunts that I've been

looking forward to doing that I haven't been able to do since, since hunting season is always during football season. So I'm, uh, I'm excited about, uh, this, this upcoming fall and this upcoming hunting season. You're a whiskey and beer guy. If you're a hunter, I say that sounds like whiskey beer guy. Uh, I love a good beer. Uh, I don't drink a ton of whiskey. I love wine. I love beer. I do like whiskey. I shouldn't say that. Uh, I like a good, a good gin, a good gin martini. Um, but I'm not, I'm not, I haven't jumped on board with whiskey like everybody else has. I feel like there's so much hype and there's such a fad that whiskey is right.

All of a sudden, everybody's got the best whiskey in the world. I'll drink it if you offer it to me, but I'd prefer a nice... I'll even go a dirty vodka martini, but I like a nice gin martini. I want to let you know, everything you just said about whiskey is 100% right. Don't let anybody judge you for that. Yeah, you're 100% right, Carson. Okay, thank you. Hey, if a younger Carson Palmer was listening to older Carson Palmer,

and you said you're not philosophical, but this is a little bit of a deeper question. If you could talk to a younger Carson Palmer about what his football career will become, what would you say? Looking back on the way it ended up? No, let's just say that you

got a chance to enlighten the younger Carson Palmer. You traveled back somehow and you had a one-on-one meeting with Carson Palmer in his bedroom before he's about to go to bed. He's laying down and Carson from the future comes and visits him. What would you say to Carson about it, the life he's about to have? I wouldn't change a thing.

Every quarterback wishes they could go back in a game and hit rewind and take one playback. Um, but I wouldn't change a thing. I wouldn't hit the rewind button. I would just say that, you know, to keep your eyes open, keep your ears open, make decisions. Uh, don't, don't jump to decisions, make decisions the right way, but I wouldn't change. I wouldn't change my course of, you know of my career and the crazy highs and the crazy lows and the ups and downs and the turns and all that. You know, I would just, because everybody's career path is different,

and not everybody gets to win a Super Bowl, right, Pat? I mean, it's the way it is. Would I love to have six Super Bowl rings? No doubt, but I wouldn't just the way it is um would i love to have six super bowl rings no doubt but i wouldn't change um the way it went i wouldn't change anything that happened it's it's matured me it's it's i've learned a ton about myself and just about everything that's been going on around me over the years so uh if i had to sit down and and talk to talk to a young me i would just say just enjoy it. Just have fun.

It's, it's such a short window. Your career comes and goes and it happens so fast, uh, as you know, but just to enjoy it, enjoy every second of it. That's awesome. And I know you have to go here.

I got to get this question in though. Well, did you ever think about truly hanging it up there when you were leaving Cincy? Was there ever like an actual conversation with family and friends that this is it? This is how my football career ends. This is how my football life ends. No, I knew I'd play again. If they wouldn't have let me go, I would have had to go back, but I, I wanted to play. It was, it was the measure and the step I had to take.

But had they not let me go and traded me, I would have ended up probably going back. but had they not let me go and traded me, I would have ended up probably going back. I wasn't done. I would love to play the game yesterday, but I'm too old. I can't do it anymore. I'd have played until, like Brady says, I was 45 or 50, but at some point you just start losing that bounce, that step, that elasticity in the muscles, and it was time for me to shut her down.

Well, you've got to find your Alex Guerrero, do that TB12 shit, Carson. Thank you so much for joining us. Friday, September 14th at 8 p.m. Eastern on NFL Network, Emmy-nominated series, A Football Life with Carson Palmer debuts. Carson, thank you so much. Incredible career, by the way. I wouldn't change a thing if I were you either. You did incredible on the field and off the field,

and everybody speaks very highly of you. That means a lot. Ladies and gentlemen, Carson Palmer. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, man. Best of luck this year. Hey, I appreciate that.

You too. Good luck fishing down there. I hope you pull some shit out of there. I'm going to need it. Thanks, buddy. See you. Later. Shout out Carson Palmer, by the way.

Hope he caught some fish down or fly fish. He said to bend in a river he was going down. Good conversation with him. Yeah, he's great. It was. It was a good conversation. Yeah, I was very surprised. I appreciated him coming on, A, because he's Carson Palmer.

I'm excited to watch his football life. I really appreciate that app that tells me when to pee. He said he saw Mission Impossible. One of them. Remember, I watched my first Mission Impossible just last weekend, and I had to pee, and I used the app, and I was like, I felt him on there. Clutch. Yeah, I actually said to him, oh, me too, while he was answering.

I didn't want to interrupt him, obviously. Good for Carson Palmer at peace with everything, by the way. Yeah. That's really cool to hear that he's so content with what he accomplished. Would not change anything if he could go back. Yeah. He's got a lot of money, too. A lot of money. A lot of money. Whenever you're content with everything you've done and Would not change anything if he could go back. Yeah. He's got a lot of money, too. A lot of money.

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Here's a guy that rarely sleeps. It seems like for the second time in this show's history, ladies and gentlemen. Joining us now is a man that has sold wine. He has sold shoes. He has sold inspiration On the internet You've seen him wearing his cap And telling you that the world doesn't Owe you shit Get out there, get up and get down He motivates me on a daily basis

Ladies and gentlemen Gary V Oh the claps, I love it How are you brother, Good to be with you. Gary, life is good. You've got to be excited about this Jets team. Last night, go into Detroit out of nowhere, hang 30 points in the third quarter. The Jets' future is bright. Just landed from Detroit. I'm giddy.

And I'm giddy for a lot of reasons. Look, I know the kind of people listen to you. They're educated. Nobody's going to get crazy over one game, right? A lot of variables in that game, that game 17-17, you know, in the third quarter, but to see all three facets play well, to see, you know, to see Darren Lee and Jamal Adams, two young defenders in their second and third year, play well. There was a lot of things besides the Darnold. You know, you break down the Darnold game. It's great.

I mean, especially having the mental strength to come off of that first play of your career and play that way. But, yes, let's put it this way. I'm extremely excited. But I'm excited for, you know, 2020, 2022, 2024. But you can't count chickens and things of that nature, so you take it where it is. And so, you know, I want to just destroy the dolphins with all my might. I'll tell you, you always are playing the long game, Gary. Okay, 2022, 2024.

I'll probably be dead by then. That's what you're looking forward to your long-term plan in all of this yes selling shoes selling wine dominating the internet is to be the owner of the new york jets have you put a number on what you need to get to to become the owner of the new york jets back to the long game it's funny i want to buy new york jets people roll up on me and they're like man you're gonna buy the jets whenets. People roll up on me and they're like, man, you're going to buy the Jets. When are you going to buy them, Gary? And I'm like, you know, and so what? It's 2018. 20, 20, 48. And the utter disappointment in their face when I say that is it's such a tell on where we are in society.

I'm telling another man or woman that I'm going to achieve the ability to buy a three to four billion dollar thing from zero. Right. I'm going to do that. is life going to be like for you then are you still going to be grinding every day what does the future look like for gary v you look like you never fucking sleep to be honest if you follow gary v on the internet it looks like you never sleep how what do you what is the future hold for gary v? You know, a couple of things. One, I sleep. I mean, not today. Cause I had a, you know, wake up at four o'clock to get back to New York, but like 85%, 80% of the year I'm getting six, seven, eight hours of sleep. So I think sleep's huge. It's just that I destroy the other 16, 17, 18 hours a day. You know, know, that I think is the variable for me. I think what's in store is, you know, look,

I passed on investing in Uber in the first and earliest rounds, which cost me $200 million to $300 million. So that's an L, right? That probably slowed down the process. Me too, by the way. Yeah, but I said no. I was asked. Oh.

And so I want to keep VaynerMedia, my marketing company, I'm trying to build a juggernaut. My brother AJ and I are in the process of starting to get real confident about the next three to five years of VaynerSports, our Jerry Maguire agency. You know, going to continue to build businesses. You know, it was interesting in the lead up, and there's something super important. In the lead up, you said sells books, correct. Sells sneakers, correct. Sells motivation, incorrect. You know, one of the things I'm super proud of, Pat, and I think the crew that's with you knows is I'm proud that I'm putting out content. Yes, motivational, but also informational every single day on LinkedIn, my podcast, my blog, Instagram,

other places, and it's free. And I have a lot of pride in that. And so I'm trying to build one of the great entrepreneurial things of all time. But at the same token, I'm trying to map day in and day out and communicate for free how I'm doing it, how I see other people doing it. And I'm hoping that other people come along and win as well. One thing you might have seen if you follow me is I've been posting a lot about like sports cards and garage sales and things of that nature and buying and flipping two fun facts number one tons of people making a thousand dollars a weekend extra number two pat your football cards are not worth any money well I appreciate that

just wanted to just wanted to give you yeah I heard that you just took a little shot there out of nowhere I saw what you did to thea jacket this past weekend you bought it out of some randoms uh front garage yeah and then you're gonna flip that and make 30 on a saturday for a nasa jacket on etsy gary you are a non-stop hustler cuz a couple things because one i bought it for a dollar two thank you for watching instagram stories because that's where I popped my $30 guess. Turns out that it's an alpha jacket, and it's going to go from $70 to $150 a pop. Oh, my God. I feel like I'm watching Pawn Stars out there.

You know what, Pat? Listen, you and I got fortunate that we worked our faces off and found things we were good at and passionate about, and it led to financial opportunities. The amount of people that disproportionately are affected by the thought of $200 to $300 a week extra to pay bills, to save up for a Disney vacation, to pay out of debt, is remarkably high, comma. It is scary. And I don't use the word easy. It is scary easy if you spend a year educating yourself on how to use Amazon, Etsy, Letgo, Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist, and go to thrift stores, go to clearance aisles and stores, Marshalls, JCPenney's, and garage sales and townwide sales, church sales. It is stunningly easy to make $200 to $300 a week extra, and that will impact 90% of the listeners.

And so, yeah, you know, a lot of people are like, Gary, you're like a marketing genius and all this stuff. You hang out with all these fancy people, like you're smart. You're talking to these big conferences. You write write books what are you doing making content about going around saturday and going through people's garbage it just seems quote unquote beneath you and literally the four or five people that said that to me over the last week i'm like you're an asshole like literally that was my response i'm like what's in it for me what's in it for me is I go to foofy, foofy black tie events or the United Nations or speak in front of 15,000 people at a conference, and it's great. But the reality is that Instagram story this Saturday, and Pat, you saw how I did it.

It was entertaining and informational. I don't know. I got 10,000 DMs in like 48 hours from people showing me pictures that they got off their fat ass and didn't watch Netflix that morning or played 2K. I went out, went to five garage sales and made 80 bucks. And that meant something to them. And you know, my answer is, because it's important, it's helping people. Gary, let's talk about something you said a week or two ago. And I gonna be honest i listen and watch everything that the gary v does i watch you go international i watch you sleeping on airport floors i watch you

speaking in front of these people you said and this was one of the most wildly absurd things i've ever heard in my entire life you said you consume zero content you only read through the comment sections i would like to know why you lied to me like that pat it's really crazy man i will go on twitter or i'll go on instagram and i'll consume the reactions of like you know crazy rich agent asians like like i't, I didn't see the movie. I see what people react. Even you, I don't listen to this show, but I know how people love this show through their comments long before I ever showed up the first time to your show or your format. Yeah, man, I don't watch stuff. I don't know what to tell you. Like I don't watch it. I didn't watch

stranger. I haven't watched a minute of 13 reasonsasons Why, Stranger Things. You know, I consume the New York Jets football games, and I consume the internet's reactions to everything that's happening, which is why I have a lot of opinions and thoughts on things, because I'm able to gather them. And this is something I've done my whole life, man. Like, I'll give you a good one. I just realized this. My mom kind of brought it up. I used done my whole life, man. Like, I'll give you a good one. I just realized this. My mom kind of brought it up. I used to do baseball card shows. That's how I got my hustle early on.

And I would literally go to a show and set up. And then I would literally not man my own table the first three or four hours, 30 minutes, 20 minutes, depending on the show, because I would have to go into the crowd and watch what people were reacting to. I needed to watch people roll up on other people's tables and be like, oh, do you have any Ken Griffey rookie cards or Frank Thomas? I used to spend the first hour or two listening and watching and then buying up other dealers' cards and then taking advantage of me having a pulse of things and then having those

cards for the rest of the show i consume people's reactions you know what they said you give me five hours an axe and a tree and tell me to cut it down i'm spending four hours sharpening that axe no no it's really it's a really good point and i'm probably spending three hours commencing somebody to do it for me. All right, Gary. I appreciate you so much for joining us, man. Wait a minute, wait a minute.

I'm not leaving yet. We need to talk a little bit about the first week of NFL and definitely last night's game because it's all going to be about Darnold and all this stuff. But, you know, we have real sports listeners, people that are educated. Like, I've got one.

Henry Anderson last night was a huge factor. That's Goose, bro. He was on the Colts for a long time from Stanford, one of my really good friends, actually. Nicknamed Goose. There's no reason behind the nickname. It's just what people started calling him. Really cool dude.

He was an animal for us for the colts he got hurt a couple of times scheme change we ship him to the jets i thought it was a bad decision to begin with because he's a hard worker grinder and good in the locker room i'm happy to hear that jets fans are falling in love with him gary i was so blown away by his pre-season you know mac our g, has not really lit the board on fire with his draft picks here, you know, obviously. He's on hot seat in 2048, huh? GM's in hot seat.

Well, listen, the new ownership kind of is okay with sticking it out. It looks like Chris versus Woody. It looks like he's trying to have continuity. But listen, he hasn't crushed the draft, but the seventh-round trade here with this guy, Robbie Anderson was undrafted free agent. He's had some crappy moves. I'm telling you, man. And I'm, and I brought up to you, obviously, because I know he came from the Colts. I have no idea what, if any relationship you had with him, but he's a, the Jets do not have a pass rush. They just don't. They, they really don't. don't but but goose looks like he's got something and i'm pumped now i know his nickname because i'm going to be on the field in cleveland next thursday and i'm going to be yelling my balls off he um he was the robert mathis who's hall of famer one of the great he called he called called Goose Mini JJ whenever he was in when he got to the Colts.

Mini JJ Watt, just because of his work ethic, everything like that. He's had a couple injuries, but that guy is the truth and a very good teammate as well. I think the Jets will be happy with him. Did you watch any of the other games? You said you don't consume anything. What are your takeaways from the NFL weekend, from watching people watch the NFL first weekend?

A couple things. It was great to see Fitzmagic do his thing in Tampa. Obviously, they lit up the Saints. You know, I'm very, you know, back to not consuming, we played the Dolphins this week since I didn't watch a single play or a highlight. I'm a little bit worried. I'm very weird with Ryan Tannehill. I really don't think he's good, but I know he's accurate. And so, I don't know, that kind of caught my mind. You know, the Patriots still being the Patriots pisses me off. It's like devastating. I mean, just like I hate it.

I'm pumped the Giants lost, but I'm glad, you know, my observation was Jalen Ramsey should have done a better job covering OBJ if he's going to open up his mouth to be this big time of a corner, because I can tell you right now, Darrell Rivas in his prime, OBJ doesn't have a fucking catch. I'll tell you this. Whenever you speak a lot, you set yourself up for a lot, and you've got to back it up.

Although I do believe Jalen Ramsey is an incredible corner, I think he's going to get tested a lot this year, and people are going to want to find out. When it comes to the Dolphins, though, they had an eight-hour game, Gary. Eight hours against the Titans. I think you're going to be in a good spot. Did you get to catch any of that, or do you have any observation on that game? The fourth quarter was tough to watch.

Chris Carter sounded like he was about to fall asleep commentating it. They only had the Titans got hurt. By the way, real quick i real quick i did see uh did marshall lynch carry 49 people yeah yeah it was pretty dope and did you see the picture of him from high school that came out not good for the marshall lynch brand oh no is that right i have no idea what is it oh you'll see it it's it's a very good describe it okay it's like um basically if you were to take a picture with glasses on, clean shaved in high school with a polo on,

that was a high school picture of Marshawn Lynch that Monday Night Football put out last night and it took over the internet. I can't believe you haven't seen it yet. It's basically his LinkedIn picture. Yeah, it's a LinkedIn picture. I would actually argue, I would say that's good for his brand okay relatable makes it more relatable yeah because it just it also inspires a generation like imagine you're a nerd watching that and you're like wait a minute i can be ridiculously swaggy and eat skittles too

so let's talk about swag what's up with that hat you're wearing Gary Gary why are you wearing that hat oh that the hat yeah it's I don't you know that's a really good question what I've

I've been wearing it for like five or six years I would say this I uh my biggest read on it right now personal answer is I have no fucking idea

but but but the the leaning weird thing is so i travel so much and when i started really traveling like ridiculous like you know half a year six or seven years ago i i needed to fall asleep like i needed to be great at sleeping on the plane what ends up happening was once i started wearing like a beanie and you know i travel a lot in the winter i guess is when it started i'd take a beanie and then i would i use it to cover my eyes right which is way better than like a hoodie or things of that nature so it became a big core part of the way i traveled like it was essential for me to get the proper like in the zone and then i

just kept then it just like was such a part of. It started sneaking into my day-to-day. And now I feel like, you know how, like, a three-year-old, like, gets attached to, like, a teddy bear or an old stock, a weird fucking blanket? I literally think that the beanie has become, like, I'm some weird three-year-old

that can't, like, go to sleep without his grandfather's handkerchief you know that's who i have become how long does it take to get in the right spot what's that how long does it take to put in the right spot for your hat oh one one second it's like fucking yeah it's like it's like a superhero's costume like first try full penetration you know what i love about you by the way you don't even let your hat just be a hat it's got to have three fucking jobs i love you guys tell me when this is posted i want everybody to listen i love you it's going out today it's going out today at noon gary i appreciate you brother love it see you man love you guys yeah you gotta take care what a, man. Love you guys. See you. You got it. Take care. What a human, man.

What a fucking human Gary Vee is. Great combo, Gary. Yeah. I was going to get him off the phone early because I know he's been mean. He's like, no, no, no. I want to stick around a little bit longer. Big shout out to Gary Vee. I texted him this morning.

I'm like, hey, man. I want to talk about your Jets becoming a relevant team again. How about that? Lions, not so much, but the Jets, here we are. He's real excited. 2048, he's going to try to buy that thing. Going to have to sell a lot of wine. Going to have to sell a lot of wine.

How about missing out on Uber? Wouldn't that be cool? Oh, man. Just have Uber just show up. Hey, this is the idea. We're going to get rid of taxis. Yeah, that's about it. You want in?

No, I don't. If he would have jumped in, though though he would have got the jets that are way sooner way sooner but he's also from new york remember what runs new york is the taxi so it's kind of a product of his environment but gary v always been nice to me he does some shit where i'm like gary what do you like you like you sherry sherry what are we doing here but at the end of the day gary is a one-stop shop for content business the whole thing i'm very thankful gary joined us i'm also very thankful for this next guy and i'm gonna say this out loud i am lucky he did this interview with us we're the only place he came to talk and uh i think you're gonna appreciate this as well joining me now was once a four-time pro bowler in the NFL. First team All-Big 12 in 2003 out of Nebraska.

His name is synonymous with being a tough guy in the NFL. A couple of situations have popped up off the field, but talking to him is one that you'll never, ever forget. Ladies and gentlemen, today he is hosting a charity golf tournament in the name of his recently passed father at the J.W. Marriott Desert Ridge Resort in Phoenix, Arizona, the Wildfire Golf Club. Torch Cigar Bars is the after party trying to make good in this world.

Ladies and gentlemen, Richie Incognito. Yes, thank you for having me. I'm alive. I survived jail, and now we're raising money for kids. Okay, okay. You brought it up. Let's talk about it. Recently, your dad passed away.

Your dad meant a lot to you. Richie Incognito Sr., I've been reading up on him. You sent me some information. He's an absolute legend. Would you like to talk about your dad a little bit and how awesome of a human he was my dad oh you know losing my dad um kind of in the wake of retirement football season coming up uh it was a lot uh my dad was a stud he served for this country two times in the United States Army. And he was a poor kid from Hudson County, New Jersey, that got drafted when he was 18,

got his name changed by the government to incognito, and rotated out through West Point twice. So he went to West Point when he got drafted in 1971. From West Point, went down to Alabama for basic training, went over to Vietnam, worked on a bunch of details over there for the Army, came back. They asked him to join the police force. He said, absolutely not. Then they sent him back back they sent him back in

about uh 72 73 they sent him back over this time through west point again as an army air born motherfucking ranger and my daddy was the man he was uh he was my coach he was my confidant. He was my business partner. The best thing I can say about my dad was he was just always down for adventure, and he always wanted to bring as many people as long as possible. Our house was the meeting place. And that's why today we're raising money in his name to help children all across New York City. That is, by the way, absolutely awesome. Your dad is an American badass. That is such a cool, cool thing. Raising money for New York City.

How's your golf game? You were sponsored by PXG. How is your golf game? Are you excited to get out there on the links? I am excited to get out there on the links and show all these nerds what a real golfer looks like. About 306 pounds. Getting ready to compete in some long drive competitions. Just kidding. I'm not going to do that.

I've been out on the course, dude. I've been trying to get my mind off things. Recently just moved to Vegas to start some businesses up here. So, dude, the golf course is my therapy. I just get out there with my boys, hack around, have a few beers, talk some shit, and everything seems better. Okay. In the wake of your father's passing, you made the news again,

and I'm not going to bring it up. I think people have learned enough about it. They've heard enough about it. It's all an alleged event obviously one side do you have anything to say about that your side that you'd like to get out before it gets uh officially to court if not we move on yeah you know what it's a legal process now um i just want to apologize to all my fans and the people of the bills mafia the rams the dolphins, the Dolphins, University of Nebraska, all these people that have supported me, I let them down. I'm not guilty.

And, you know, the court process will play itself out. But I feel like I've let everybody down. You know, I lost my cool with my father passing, and I feel confident that I will be vindicated in the in the, you know, court process or wherever the heck we're in right now. But, you know, my my shift is just to philanthropy. I'm just trying to to raise money and, you know, kind of assume this role in normal life. By the way, making the world a better place is an incredible rebound whenever you find yourself in a situation that's difficult. I think the world understands that when the death of a loved one happens, a lot of things can happen.

And I honestly think that your apology right there is going to mean wonders to a lot of human beings. I hope you know that, Richie. You know, I think, I hope what people can get a grasp of is that I'm just a normal fucking dude, just like you and me, man. We were blessed to play in the NFL and have careers. But at the end of the day, we're normal dudes. I like sitting on the couch watching TV. I mean, I like to play a ton of golf.

I like to do a bunch of outdoor activities. And I think what gets lost in that is, like, I have this persona, you know, man, myth, legend. And then people meet me and they're like, you're just kind of a normal dude. You know, you're not really crazy. You're not really this. But then, you know, obviously things like this happen and they pop up in the newspaper. People are like, this guy eats babies. And it's good.

It's good for the brand. But, you know, sometimes you're like, oh, you know, you meet people like, please don't Google my name. You can see, though, how some of these things with the gym in Miami where you had to deal with a guy stalking you, basically, how he got spun out of control. how he got spun out of control. And in this situation, how the media spins everything with your name on it is going to get... You can see how some people assume that you might be a legit crazy person. But then you talk, you can see how people

from outside the box can think that, right? Absolutely. I can see how I get that. I would read half the crap that's written about me and I'd be like, I'd write myself off. I'd be like, this dude is nuts. And, you know, a big part of, quote, unquote, being nuts is just accepting the fact that you're different. I am nuts. I think differently.

I've played in over, I don't know, 250, maybe 300 football games, probably been in thousands and thousands of street fights. There's not much that scares me, but, you know, losing my father and being super religious and just, you know, having my faith tested in that moment, it was challenging, man. It's hard. It shook me to my core. I'm a tough dude. You know, you've been around the locker room. We're all tough dudes that carry a lot of baggage. And, you know, it manifests itself in different ways. And how I manage my pain and my anger is weight room, golf, therapy, medicine. I'm at the point, you know, I've had a rough go at it, kind of a checkered past that.

When shit like this goes down, my phone is blowing up with people trying to help me. And I think, you know, my big message to everybody out there, you know, let me get on my little soapbox for a minute is if you're having an issue, if you're having a mental health issue, if you're having a bullying issue, if you're feeling right, the biggest thing, just open your mouth, just communicate to somebody and you will be shocked at what you hear in return. You know, if you open up your veil a little bit and let people in to your true self, you'd be shocked what you hear from people. You know, I've had people

calling, texting, emailing, prayer groups, and I'm just, I'm honestly just so thankful. I have so many good people around me that care about me. And I think what leads us now, what leads the incognito family now is my father's honor and our faith in God above all else. So that's beautiful. Vulnerability is not a sign of weakness, by the way. It could be a sign of strength, to be honest. Who are you leaning on this time?

Do you have a therapist? Are you more so going into religion? I saw you in Hawaii there with some prayer groups. How are you battling through these times? Because losing somebody that you've done business with your entire life, your coach, your confidant, your best friend, that can be tough to handle at the beginning. Then you throw in, I think you alluded there that there could potentially be some traumatic

issues with your brain with over 300 games and stuff like that. Who are you leaning on these times, Richie? Dude, I'm leaning on family. I'm leaning on my mother, my brother, my extended family. I'm working actually with an army doctor out of California named Dr. Eamon, and he is one of the leading traumatic brain injury specialists in the world. And what he's doing is through a regiment of medicine and hyperbaric chambers, we're trying to correct the years of traumatic brain injuries that I have suffered. And the really cool part about that is there's hope. There is hope for retired athletes. There's hope for retired police officers, firefighters, Navy SEALs, military, all these

people that we've all seen some crazy shit. We've all experienced, we've all had traumatic things that do cause PTSD. But what's really cool about technology and science is we are at the point where we can correct most of that and I'm leaning on Dr. Amen I'm leaning on therapists I'm freaking calling up everybody I know that you know well Pat you've been in an NFL locker room. We're always doing Bible study. We're always doing prayer groups and stuff like that. So I'm leaning on all my old teammates, Eric Wood, Melvin Fowler, Anthony Fasano, and leaning on the people in my foundation who I have around me.

I have great people, and, again, I'm just so proud and excited that I can spread the word about all this and. I have great people. And again, I'm just so proud and excited that I can spread the word about all this and raise money to help people. Richie, I want you to know that everything you're going to do from this is going to be so positive. And I'm very proud of you, man, coming out here, admitting that there could be potentially be something wrong. Now you're taking it head on trying to fix it. You're adapting to the obstacles that you've created for yourself in the past, and now you're going to make a better future, Richie. That's an absolutely beautiful thing.

Let's talk about the future. What are you going to do, Richie? You're going to continue to raise money in your father's name. You're going to golf. Is football behind you now? Last time I spoke to you, you were still potentially accepting offers. The first weekend of football is done. Did you get the itch to get back out there? What is Richie

Incognito up to? Always have the itch to get out there. Last night, I was taking pass sets in my backyard. You still got it? Oh, I still got the juice, man. I still got it. I still got at least 10 snaps in me.

I actually played golf with my buddy uh who played at the bills with me melvin fowler he lives here in vegas and um played golf yesterday we went and watched a couple games and we're just like two old men yelling at the tv catch the ball what are you doing how could you do you know i mean so the game never leaves you. And right now I'm just in a holding pattern. I'm focusing on myself first before I take the next step in anything. That's fucking beautiful, Richie. I know you have a lot going on.

Your golf tournaments today, Torch Cigar Bars, the after party. I hope you show up, show out, raise a lot of money for kids across New York City. And also, Richie, from all of us over here, I am so thankful for you joining us. And I hope you find the mental health and the mental peace of mind at some point where everything and all this is behind you, brother. I appreciate it, man. Thank you for giving me the platform to come on, dude. You guys have always been good to me. And one thing I want to do say about the Richard Dominic Incognito Jr. He's been good to me.

And one thing I want to do say about the Richard Dominic Incognito Jr. Foundation is tomorrow or today, we are raising money in my dad's name. And in America, you only have to give away 5% year over year of what you bring in to stay a public charity. At my foundation, we believe in giving away as much money as possible. So to all the great people of Phoenix who show up today to support, I'm going to give away about 90% of the money to some really needy kids, to some initiatives in South Africa. We're going worldwide, Richie. Richie, you're going worldwide. We're going worldwide, baby. We're going worldwide, Richie. Richie, you're going worldwide. We're going worldwide, baby. We're going international.

All right. Well, take care of yourself over there. Congratulations on the bounce back here. I hope everything goes well in court. And to be honest, we've all experienced a loss of a loved one. There's a lot more people who understand you than you think. So keep on keeping on, brother, and we appreciate you

for joining us, Richie. No doubt. Thanks for having me. Cheers, brother. Work on them goddamn pass sets in the backyard. Aaron Rodgers just got crushed last night in the first half.

They might need you. I know. I'm about to go throw on the pads and helmet and go take out this trash can. All right, I'll see you, Richie. Have a good one. Later, brother.

Later. It seems as if he's holding himself accountable almost. Yeah, I root for this guy so hard. He seems like a really good guy at his core. This is different than the last time. When he came on about the Dolph or the Miami gym thing, he was like, well, that guy was stalking me. He was blaming somebody else.

This one, it seems as if he's taking it head on. Meeting with an army, traumatic doctor. He's going. He's taking medicine. He that guy was stalking me. He was blaming somebody else. This one, it seems as if he's taking it head on. Meeting with an army, traumatic doctor. He's going. He's taking medicine. He said meds in there somewhere. Yeah, he did. It feels as if he's taking accountability for a potential problem he has in his brain. And I hope he gets it figured out.

Raising money for kids, too. International kids. That's awesome. He's doing all he can. He's trying his best. And I hope the medicine and everything, I hope he finds a new normal. Because honestly, at his soul, Todd, at his soul, i hope he finds a new normal because honestly at his soul todd at his soul i think he's a good guy deep down in there no doubt but definitely some

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