The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 005 - Two BCS Champions

Episode Date: September 18, 2018

On today's show, Pat and the guys break down everything that happened in week 2 of the NFL including an abysmal performance from The Brand, Josh Gordon being traded to New England, the drama surrounding the Steelers and Antonio Brown, and Todd dives into Urban Meyer's body language. Also joining the show is former running back for Ohio State and the Denver Broncos, Maurice Clarett, for an incredible conversation. They chat about his side of the story in relation to how things went down during his time at Ohio State and where it all went wrong, as well as what he is doing now to try and make a positive change (45:15-1:06:54). Later, former LSU running back and Pat's teammate with the Colts, Joseph Addai, calls into the show. They cover what he's been doing since he retired, how Houston is hotter than Ghana, his favorite memory as a Colt, and his relationship with Reggie Wayne (1:09:22-1:28:50). Don't forget to check out PatMcAfeeShow.com for all the new merch. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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MyBookie.ag, promo code Pat. Let's get into this. Today we got an interview with Maurice Claret. That's going to change your world. It's a good one. Change your life. The 30 for 30 happened about him his whole life. You know the story from back in the day at Ohio State.

Him leaving. Wait until you. I ask him the real questions. The real questions. The real questions. When I was hearing about his story, I wanted to know certain things. If somebody's just going to become a drug dealer,

I want to know about how they're doing. We want to know about the screets. Yeah, cuz. Hey, cuz. You running the screets? I want to hear about how good you running out there. You know what I mean? How good are you do-si-do-ing down the screets?

Do you have a gun? Yep. Got arrested with one. We'll see how that goes. You're going to enjoy this. Very inspirational conversation with Maurice Claret. I absolutely enjoyed it. Also, a former teammate of mine, Joseph Adai, joining us.

Joseph Adai, Colts fans and LSU fans might know, is a monster, monster running back. Now he's a full-time father, good guy in Houston, and was also one of my very close friends whenever I was early on in the Colts. A lot of people would never have guessed that. Me and Joseph Adai, very close friends. One of the only people that really took me in whenever on in the Colts. A lot of people would never have guessed that. Me and Joseph Adai, very close friends. One of the only people that really took

me in whenever I came to the Colts. Very nice of him. Can't wait to chat with him. And we have all of the news stories happening in your world, our world, the world. And let's get right into it. Last night, Todd McComas sent out a vitamin thought tweet that really, it shook me to my core. Oh, before we get to that,

my house is haunted. Oh yeah? Yeah, we knew that already. Yeah, yeah. There's new evidence? It shook me to my core. Oh, before we get to that, my house is haunted. Oh, yeah? Yeah, we knew that already. Yeah, yeah. There's new evidence? It's bad. It's bad. What happened?

Sam and I are laying in bed last night. Yeah. 10.45. I'm kind of dozing in and out. I see a dropkick happen out of nowhere. I get a bunch of texts from you guys like, yo, dropkick just happened. Dropkick. I'm like, what do you mean dropkick just happened?

Then I rewind Monday Night Football. There's the Emmys going on. There's Monday Night Raw. There's Monday Night Football. It was a wild Monday on TV, and I was just happened. Then I rewind Monday Night Football. There's the Emmys going on. There's Monday Night Raw. There's Monday Night Football. It was a wild Monday on TV and I was just tired. I had them all recording so I could catch up on everything. And the Monday night, I go back to the dropkick and I'm like, oh, that wasn't that impressive. And then I see the internet just is

alive with it. I'm like, oh, so maybe that is impressive to people. Honestly, it was such an interesting technique there by Pete Carroll, mostly because Janet Kalsowski is one of the greatest onside kickers in the history of the NFL. Like, any time you played the Raiders back in the day, especially on that baseball field, if Janikowski was kicking off, you had to be very, very scared to his left because he would just run.

Well, he would waddle, and then he would – he's a big boy, by the way. Batting.285 in the knife and fork league, Jason Witten said about that. Fell over. By the way, Jason Witten, very terrible. That is a hell of a punchline right there. I thought he was much better last night. He's getting better.

It seems as if every fit, it drops out from him. It drops out. Did you hear what I just said? Fifth word, and it drops out. It seems as if he'll be talking, and nowhere, it'll It drops out. Did you hear what I just said? Fifth word and it drops out. It seems if he'll be talking and nowhere it'll just drop out. Next time you listen to him, check it out. Because I think he runs

out of breath and then he has to catch his breath and go and the sentence, it just doesn't stop. He's like, this guy's really got a motor. I'm like, did he just say motherfucking? Did they just censor him out? It was very interesting. That's a hell of a punchline, though. So whenever they took him out in favor of the drop kick on side kick,

was that after a safety? So he did two drop kicks. The first one went deep. Yeah, he did the first drop kick was after a penalty from the 50. You're trying to pin him. That is a very difficult kick for kickers to do off of a tee, by the way, to hit the ball short like that because it's like a 50-yard pooch, which is very difficult to do off of a one-inch tee.

Two-inch tee, high schoolers can do it all the time. One-inch tee, it's a little bit lower. Janikowski also, he is a home run fucking hitter. That's what Dukas does. But the second one, was it after a safety? No, no, it was just because they scored late. They scored with like 20 seconds left, and they needed to get it onside. So it wasn't after a safety?

No. Okay, so it makes no sense that they would do that. I enjoy the fact that Michael Dixon is an absolute animal. By the way, 10-yard punt last night. Yeah, shaked one. I just kind of brushed right by it. Let's hope nobody sees it because he hit a 62-yarder out of bounds, out of the end zone, which is a huge punt.

A little shanked because of a bad snap. Bad snap can alter everything because it's a timing thing. It's a timing thing. It's like in a home run derby. You know whenever Harper's dad was missing his zone a little bit and you didn't see Harper hitting the dingers there? That's a big deal. That's why the snapper is a very important part of the brand.

I don't give them enough love, but you fuck up the rhythm. It's a big deal. So I just kind of went around that. Him doing the drop kick, awesome. He's an Australian, incredibly talented ball kicker. I love love it but the onside kick makes no sense to me because janikowski is literally the one of the best onside kick i mean there's a there's a person speaking in a microphone who probably go down as the greatest but janikowski is just a talented guy the reasoning they gave last night and then the announcers have no idea none they got no fucking clue just like whenever a pun is down inside the one and the uh the coverage team bats it as soon

as the coverage team touches it the play is automatically basically just a bonus for the returners so when uh whenever um cohen i think it was cohen no no uh he picked it up lock it lock it picks it up and then he gets tackled in the end zone. Jason Witten's like, I think that's a safety. Joe Tessitore's like, I think so, Jason. I'm listening. I'm like, you fucking idiots have no idea. The returners are taught as soon as the coverage team bats it, it's just bonus from there. They could take that thing all the way down 99 yards back the other way, fumble it on the one. The punt team recovers it. That thing goes back to the one-yard line.

It's just all bonus after that. It's so funny. Last night they were saying Seabass is a horrible onside kicker. Yeah, because they said he's never had one recovered in the fourth quarter ever in his entire career. That's a stat. Just look at film. He hits his – because he's a lefty, first of all,

so it's going the opposite direction because right he's kicked to their right janikowski in in onside kicks are tough to recover that's just that's just something that it is but i know that a drop kick straight out of bounds ain't it either i know that's for sure but janikowski might have uh lost it with his old age he's good though he was something he had to fear because a little he had a little left-footed toe poke he would put the ball right into that fucking baseball dirt in Oakland, and that thing would shoot up like a goddamn jump rope. Was he wearing a game jersey, though? Was that like a fake jersey?

I wore one of those jerseys. It looks like they're from Dick's. Yeah. Yeah, with the sleeves loose. Is there a reason why you choose that, or is that just like— I did it because I was fat that year. I was like 250, and I'm like, I'm going to go ahead and let this loose a little bit. I don't need the skin tight operation.

He's not skinny. I think Janikowski is thinking the same thing. I got big gut. I wear big jerseys. That guy's the best. I love Janikowski, though. That Seattle team is terrible, though. They are bad.

Russell Wilson is not good at football right now, and it might be because he's scrambling for his life at all times, but, man, they were talking about he just has no help. That's because they paid him. When you pay somebody like that, you put the whole team on his shoulders, and that's what happens. The Thanos thing that ESPN did,

now that I am a big-time superhero guy, I love that move. That Seattle Seahawks team has just completely been torn apart. I mean, now that Doug Baldwin's hurt, like, he doesn't have him. And Brandon Marshall's their number one receiver, but he's been in the league for 20 fucking years. He always seems to just not win, Brandon Marshall.

He's never been in the playoffs. The entire career. So good. I watched him with the Broncos play against us. I think he had 15 touchdowns in the game he played us. I think he had maybe 15 touchdowns. He had like 21 catches, I think. Yeah, it was one of the most absurd things I've ever seen.

Then you see him just on Showtime. He has a show every week on there. He's so well, speaks well. He's all these stats and everything. And he just never wins. It's just like, it's a shame. You're like Joe Thomas, bro. You're like Joe Thomas,

one of the best wide receivers in the history of the game. Just never, ever win. Never, ever win. This weekend, it was fucking wild. Patrick Mahomes is an absolute dog. He's a beast. He is an absolute dog with a cannon, by the way. We used to have a show on SiriusXM.

Somebody called in and said, Patrick Mahomes, MVP, book it. And we're like, well, let's not get crazy here. But we should have trusted the Kool-Aid man, Andy Reid, whenever he decided to ship old MVP possibility Alex Smith out of town and say, we got this young guy who's a monster. He's so good at football. I think we all knew he was going to be good. I don't think we knew he was going to light it up like that.

This is Andy Reid's season, though. Yeah, the first five games. This is Andy Reid's season. Kool-Aid man, Andy Reid, this is what he does. Every year he comes out swinging. Every year they're hot, everything like that, but I mean, I just don't know how you stop Tyreek Hill, Travis I don't know how you stop it.

Steelers did pretty good stopping them. They had zero catches in the first half. Haters said they couldn't stop them. Yeah, you can stop Tyreek Hill, then you got Travis Kelsey wide open in the middle. It's just one or the other. I'm going to hold off on anointing Patrick Mahomes the next great one yet. Let me see more than two games.

Really? Yeah. That makes sense. But he is lighting the... Fucking Fitzpatrick played good for two games too. We think Fitzpatrick is all of a sudden a great quarterback, his 12th year in the league. Yeah.

Speaking of, get your Fitzmagic shirts right now. Although Fitzmagic has been trademarked by Minka Fitzpatrick. Yeah. What the fuck's a Minka Fitzpatrick? He was the first round pick for the Dolphins this year from Alabama. He's just playing chess, man. So I thought this was a porn star. I thought Minka Fitzpatrick was a porn star,

and I honestly believe that. This is another football player doing this? Yeah, he was the first-round pick for the Dolphins this year. He plays corner safety. This is another football player cucking another football player? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That ain't the union I know.

He saw Fitzpatrick go off last week and go, I'm going to take that trademark right now. He beats the to the trademark guy that's been in the league 12 years. Harvard guy. Just now having a good season. He just found the illusions because it just now became magical. All right. But he beat the Harvard guy to the trademark.

Well, Fitzpatrick's studying film. He ain't got time. That's a Tampa Bay Buccaneers PR job. That should be knocking that down. He don't care. Who? Fitzpatrick. He doesn't care.

No, he's 12 years in the league, a quarterback. He's gotten so much guaranteed money from little stops everywhere. He just wants to go out there and sling it. He's having his best life. By the way, great shirt coming out for sale right now. PatMcAfeeShow.com. Go grab it. Even if you're not a Buccaneers fan, you'll love it.

I'm going to wear it. I love it. I'm going to wear it until, maybe not this week. I'll wear it after this week. Playing the Steelers this week? Yeah, yeah. Steelers got no fucking shot. Not against Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Agreed. He's making plays right now. On the run, scrambling, laying out, and then you just got the real housewives of Pittsburgh happening with the Steelers. Antonio Brown said trade me yesterday. Trade me then. It never ends.

He doesn't really want to be traded. Pittsburgh's the most blue-collar, fucking nose-to-the-grindstone city there is. And all they got to deal with with their football team used to be the fucking steel curtain back there. Mean Joe Green, Mike Webster, all these Greg Lloyd. You're talking about Bam Bam Morris, Kiyomoto Mahovala. Just badass after badass.

And now they got to deal with bro in the strip club rapping. He's on a jet ski this morning. Oh, no. He's living a jet ski this morning Oh no Just living his best life Daniel Tosh said it Daniel Tosh said it best They say money can't buy happiness Have you ever seen somebody on a jet ski mad?

Level's pretty happy Level that he's enjoying his best fucking life Daniel Tosh was spot on about that Then you got Antonio Brown asking to be traded Ben Roethlisberger's hurt all of a sudden again Right? Got a bad elbow or something like that This This is normal. This is every year. But that's what I'm saying. This should

not become, this should not be the norm for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And you know why it is? It starts at the top all the way down. If you handle all this bullshit in the offseason, it's not a big deal. Now granted, are the players asking for too much? I assume. But Antonio Brown yelling at his offense coordinator for not getting him to ball. And now you got the reporters

in Pittsburgh saying Antonio Brown's the problem? The best football player in football is the problem? That was mind-numbing to me. To wake up after a game giving up six TDs and however many yards, 300 yards, and to see them bashing AB because he yelled at the offensive coordinator. Because the entire Pittsburgh media wants to be the next Skip Bayless. So they just write stuff that no is going to get a fucking reaction. Ian's got no hope over there against the Tampa Bay Bucs they lost to Chicago last year in

week three and they barely beat the Browns in week one it's the same as last year they're going to go fucking 12 and 4 again you guys tied a team that is just a perennial poor decision maker the Browns deserve to be in my barn of bad decisions to be honest because that's all they make josh gordon to the patriots for a fifth rounder is just such this you know whenever they were thinking about trading chris paul i think to the lakers and the commissioner came in and was like no no no no this is something that you would hope roger goodell would just be like no we no you can't fucking do this bill this can't happen because this is what's going to happen. And the dog pound doesn't deserve this. They've watched Josh Gordon for years and years bumblefuck his career away,

smoking the dope, smoking the weed, not paying child support, not showing up, doing this, doing that. And then he's going to go to New England. You know what's going to happen? He's going to walk in that locker room, and Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, and the rest of the group is going to be like, hey, man, we don't fuck around up here. You either get your shit together or get the fuck out.

And he's going to be like, well, I would like to get rich and be a Super Bowl champion. And Tom Brady's going to be like, yep, that's what we do here. And he's going to get his life on the straight and narrow. They got weed legal in Massachusetts. They'll keep him away from it. They'll just keep him moving. And somehow, some way, the Patriots are now favorites probably to win the fucking super bowl because they got a deep threat again and it's all she wrote for everybody finally the patriots look human they lose to the jacksonville jaguars which they should

have lost to in the afc championship they lose and everybody's like this is it me included i'm like this is it bill belichick's losing his touch The old school pissed off guy isn't going to work anymore. Tom Brady with the yacht and Giselle riding a camel. Riding a fucking camel. Gronkowski threatening retirement. Julian Edelman taking supplements nobody knows about. It seems getting rid of handsome Danny Amendola. It's like, this is it.

This is the collapse of it. And then all of a sudden whammy bring in an avatar bring in a guy that can take the top off of the defense and all of a sudden they're back in the game all because cleveland can't help but act like cleveland they're the fucking worst i hate that fucking city so much it's not the city's fault it is the city's fault i don't think the dog pound in the city of cleveland deserves this first leBron. First LeBron. Yeah. Yeah, he wanted to leave because the city's shit. Oh, God. Oh, jeez.

You need to relax. Ty Schmidt is wearing a LeBron James Lakers shirt right now. Wouldn't have been caught dead with a Cleveland Cavaliers shirt on. Zito had LeBron's hair yesterday. Bro, Zito, you need to do that. Zito got the spray paint hair on his head from Balance the Barber. I used to have to say, though, the Bears are 1-0 with my new hairline. Yeah, they are.

Yep, they are. Now, every morning you're going to have to wake up early enough to shower, hopefully put some fucking socks on, and spray paint your head again. This is something that's going to become a whole morning routine. I have talked to Mike, and I am on the way of buying all the supplies for that. Mike the Barber comes in every single Monday and just does work to people's heads. He did the James Conner cut, which got criticized roughly. He said that a white guy did it.

False. A white guy did not do that. He came in, and he trimmed up my beard as if it was like a chin strap back in the day. A little bit too tight for my liking, but I'm not going to say anything because he sprayed it down with some shit to make it look thicker, too, so I appreciate that. Then he gave Zito a hairline all of a sudden. This guy, I appreciate what he does, but he needs

to take it easy on this dude. He's like Bob Ross in there trying to shake my shit. I thought it looked good. I appreciate that, but in two days, I'm not going to be able to do this. You know what I mean? This is like an artist on my face. In two days, what does hair do, Todd? It grows. I be able to do this. You know what I mean? This is like an artist on my face. Right. And in two days, what does hair do, Todd? It grows.

I can't fucking do this. What am I supposed to do? He has it like perfectly shaped. What am I? Get a fucking, like one of them canvases? He should have made a stencil for you. Just put the stencil on your face and you shave around it. That's what I'm going to need.

You know where to stop him by? We have to put a mirror in front of us because we never know what he's doing. Yeah, because we're staring at a blank wall. Yeah, we've got to put a mirror there. I fell asleep too in the middle of it last night. It is relaxing. It is really nice. He's got a good soft touch. I feel good. But the Browns can't

help themselves. They can't help themselves. And it's a shame because it seemed like they were going to have a good team this year. So the kicker, Zane Gonzalez, they knew he was hurt. He had a groin injury. This sounds like Zane Gonzalez's people PR spin here.

Is that what it is? I think so. Because if your groin hurts, it is a big deal for a kicker because you're using a lot of groin, hip flexor. I mean,

it's a lot of pull there. And now, with that being said, Toradol can power you through that. Unless it's ripped, which if you're hitting 52 yarders wide right instead of, normally if you're hurting, you're going to like duck hook because you're pulling in.

So the ball is going to go left. It's going to trail left. But also if you can't get through it, you're going to push it right. But having a 52 yarder spray that high and that far right makes me think it wasn't a ripped grind. It might have just been a little bit of a pull, which definitely sucks for sure. But Tordahl can take that away. I don't know if Zane Gonzalez is taking Tordahl or not, but that's definitely a rough outing for Zane Gonzalez.

And if he was hurt, they probably gave him an option to sit out, but he sits out. He's never going to be on the team again. It's an interesting situation. You know what I mean? I don't blame them for cutting him either way. You have to after that. Mike Zimmer, by the way, when he was asked why he cut the kicker daniel carlson

and he responds with did you watch a fucking game hey uh coach zimmer why'd you cut the kicker type of fucking question he missed three kicks one three kicks, one being a 35-yarder, to potentially lock up a money-line win for Pat McAfee in Indianapolis that he bet his fucking house on. That was unbelievable he did that. In those four of the brand videos, a lot of people ask if I film them live or not. Just go ahead and watch that one back. You can just hear the max bet drain my bank account while he misses that i was ready to

lose my shit for the viking carlson i was ready to do the viking clap thing but instead here we are worst gambling weekend of my life double that down on fucking russell wilson last night so you covered it for like the press conference but for boz for bosworth how does he bounce back as wellworth. Bosworth. The Bos, he had a rough run, too. He has the yips, right? Yeah, he's overthinking everything right now. Whenever we drank with Bosworth, Tequila Cowboy,

same place Todd Haley broke his hip at. Same place that has a little person as the main security guy, who's awesome, by the way. Bosworth was there, and Jordan Berry were there, the punter. So we were all drinking together. Bosworth is a smooth cat by the way had a chain on he's nice fade nice great fade he had

a Texas a Houston fade in there it was real tight Paul Wall looking thing and when I was talking to him I'm like man you hit the ball just so pure because he does that's what he did he hits the ball so pure I'm like what are you doing he's like man I just swing I don't really think much so then once you see him start missing what happens is there's a lot of thought that goes into it.

So it's just like in golf, right? You get over the ball and you start thinking about everything. There's a good chance that you're going to overthink it and you're going to fuck yourself up. I mean, it's just the way it is. Same thing with kicking. Same thing with punting. Any craft. I'd assume pitchers, same exact way.

If they start thinking about hitting the strike zone or something like that, like, oh, I'm doing this instead of this, thing with kicking same thing with punting any craft i'd assume pitchers same exact way if they start thinking about hitting the the strike zone or something like that like oh i'm doing this instead of this it becomes paralysis by analysis and i believe that is what chris boswell or boswell is happening right now you get 20 million that becomes a lot of pressure to become the guy you get you get paid and everybody wonders why college kids suck kickers suck and I sucked for a while in college kicking is 90% mental so whenever you add the pressure of having 75,000 people watching on national TV and you're 18 years old 19 years old the only thing you can help with that is experience some people got

it some people don't and you throw these kids who play in high school soccer probably in front of 45 people into these stadiums and they got to do a minute craft a very minute swing that you can either overthink or not think at all and i think right now boswell's in his own head hypnotist do work with this this is something sports hypnotists do work with it i mean there's a guy in pittsburgh who's a noted guy who does it yeah a hypnotist would work to kind of get him out of his own head but also i think a nice rub and tug or some vitamins just make that happen because at the point now if you're boswell if you're at the point now it's like it can't get any fucking worse right now might as well just go swing i'm already rich like that's the thought that you need but that's a veteran that you need to tell him that so that's why if they brought in a veteran punter that was

potentially going to be signed today to them potentially he would be able to go in there and be like hey man just chill the fuck out like this is not that big of a deal you're you're you can't get any worse you're already rich just go swing it's one of those things where you just kind of got to let it ride and that becomes a big deal for a lot of people daniel carson the rookie i mean he's one for four in his career, right? And once you miss one, then you start like, oh, shit. Then you start overthinking and overthinking. Golf, kicking, pitching,

all these crafts that you have to master, the analysis in your head can really become the brain, the killer to it all. And that's why if you get the yips, then you start thinking about the yips. It's like when you're laying in bed at night and you can't fall asleep and you're like, why can't I fall asleep? And then you start thinking about the yips. It's like when you're laying in bed at night and you can't fall asleep,

and you're like, why can't I fall asleep? And then you start thinking about why you can't fall asleep, and then you're overthinking everything. And next thing you know, it's an hour and a half later, two hours later, and you're not sleeping yet. It's that type of thing, but in front of millions of people happening. It's really a mental game. It is 100% a mental game.

And that's why you see people who can – like Zane Gonzalez. I said yesterday in the press conference, he's going to need a passport, not because his last name is Gonzalez, not because of that, but because he's probably going to end up in Canada, maybe. But there's sometimes guys that can't get out of this. Like you just start overthinking everything and you can never get out of it. And that's not a shot at the CFL. Obviously, if the CFL guys were good, they'd be in the fucking NFL.

So let's not get crazy. I think they're good. But it's all a mental game. Everything's a mental game. And all these guys, I think, just got in their head. Now, obviously, there's some technique misses that you can have. Every once in a while, like Gostkowski, Crosby, these guys who are just perennially awesome.

Whenever they start missing, you assume it's just a technique thing or maybe the hold was off a spot. Because an inch either way off a spot is a whole miss as well. I mean, it's like setting up for a drive and having the tee move right before you hit it. I mean, that's going to fuck you a little bit. Could be anything like that. But for a lot of the young folks, the young guys,

it's a mental thing, and they just can't get out of their own way. It's a tough thing. And for me, I was always too dumb, so it was really cool. It was really, really cool. I would miss, and I would be very upset about it. But the next time I go out there, I'm not like, oh, I wonder why I missed. It was just like I was so I was like, I don't want to get that pissed off at me again. So let's try to make it better.

And for punting, I had no clue what was happening. My first couple of years, I'd hit a shank and I had no idea why. So it's not like I'm overthinking. It's like, yeah, I have no clue why that happened. Let's hope it goes better next time. It was pretty fun little thought so like having amnesia basically is the best thing for a kicker just forget it no no because i don't think you should forget it either so i used to get so mad at myself i used to get so mad at myself for fucking up that i would not want to feel that way again everybody would be like you have to have short-term memory if a

corner gets burnt they can't think about it again I think that is not accurate all the time. Now, do I think if you just act like it didn't happen and just kind of urban mire it? I mean, that's not a bad move. Or Joe Paterno it. Or just any school in the Big Ten, just act like it didn't happen. That's not a bad play.

But for me, I handled it a different way. I would get so angry. I'd get so angry at myself whenever I'd miss. I'd be like, all right, I'm not going to feel that way again. do not want to so i would remember like i hated how i felt there i feel like i almost busted a blood vessel in my fucking head i don't want to do that again i just think there's different ways to handle everything but whenever you're doing the action itself you just kind of gotta let it ride and just i think that's really the issue with boz i think that's the issue with gonzalez i don't think he has any hope i don hope. I honestly think it's going to be about a year or two

before he can get that out of there. That becomes something very difficult. Charles Barkley's had the yips for, what, 10 years, 20 years? And he's one of the best athletes of all time mentally. So it's just one of those things where you just got to kind of get it out of there. Goalies, same thing. I think goalies get in their own head too. These situations or these positions where you were only operating in a

very quick time period there's a lot of thought that can get in the way and it's it's it that's what happened to the brand on sunday a lot of tough look for the brand i often wonder if it's my fault they're trying too hard bringing all this spotlight yeah i know people are gonna watch this yeah like i wonder if because th Thomas Morstead told me last year after he hit a 60-yard ball on Monday Night Football, while he was jogging the sideline, he was like, Pat, better a fucking saw that. It's becoming

a real thing. It's a situation where I wonder if I just... I'm not going to. I'm going to continue to spotlight the athletes and legends that are happening on fourth down. If it's too much pressure, you could just quit. Maybe halftime. Greatest thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

Favorite move ever pulled off by a football player. Hey, dog. Hey, dog. Hey, coach. I hear you and all that, but what I was thinking was, I'm probably not going to go back out there, dog. Yeah, they scored a couple touchdowns, dog, on me, and it's just been a rough go.

So I'm taking third, fourth quarter. Maybe you guys play somebody else. What do you mean, Vontae? I'm leaving, dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting my shit, and I'm out of here. What do you mean you're out of here? Yeah, I'm gone. What do you mean? I'm out of here. What do you mean you're out of here? Yeah.

I'm gone. What do you mean? I'm gone. I retired, too. You might as well just say, yeah, tell the team. Tell the team. What am I supposed to tell them? Tell them I retired.

Me and Zito just went back to the hard knocks clip of him when he got caught. He goes, I got caught. I got caught, my grandpa. Hey, dog. Man, I know people might jump me for this, but hey, dog. I'm getting cooked out there, bro. I don't really like this team either, man. I mean, we in Buffalo. I like Buffalo wings.

But when it came to the field, I didn't really like the field much. You know? That's my favorite impression by far. Dude, I love Vontae, man. I was very lucky to be his teammate. He came out of Miami when he came to the Colts, and he was a wild animal in Miami. He had a Ferrari. He was living wild.

He was out every night. He and Joe Philbin didn't get along because he wasn't exactly the player that they wanted down there. And he self-admittedly said that Miami was tough for him. He said, I had a lot of money, and there was a lot of options in Miami. So when he came to the Colts, he saw it as like a reprieve almost, like to kind of slow down his life he got found a lady he's got married he's he was in the hot tub every day starting to act

like a vet hot tub cold tub training room and i got a chance to be around him a lot a lot a lot both in all those situations vante was a very good teammate to us a very very good teammate and that is whenever he'd get excited that's how he spoke amen. That's how he spoke. He always knew his job. He was a primetime corner for us. We paid him a lot of money. He was shutting people down, locking people down. I don't know what the fuck happened when he got to Buffalo. I think he might have had that.

Because corner is a position. And Vontae always had an interesting gait. When he ran, it always looked like he was in pain. And until it was game time, it was when he ran it always looked like he was in pain and until it was game time it was only was wide open but corner is the most athletic position on the field because you were covering the fastest people on the field so it's not like it widely in the football community corner we talked about this with dion right corner is the most athletic person on the field because you have to cover who a lot of people think is the greatest athletes on the field and if you have one thing wrong with you whether it's a groin a hip vante's

had a couple injuries i think hammy one point if you have something wrong with you you can get exposed quickly and whenever you're out on an island all by yourself and if a quarterback sees and i think a touchdown or two happened against vante in the first half i believe against uh philip rivers i believe a touchdown happened in the end zone. I think something else happened as well. You can get exposed quickly, and that can become a very miserable situation if you're an elite corner and you're just not at your top game. Now, Grant, does that excuse just leaving at halftime?

I don't think so. I don't think that is a cool thing. I think waiting until after the game is probably the way to go because there's guys that could have been brought up to the roster that are on the practice squad who could have played. There's people that could have got opportunities during the week to showcase that, blah, blah, blah, all that shit. But I do believe Vontae, and he said in his statement,

he didn't think he was good enough anymore, and he probably got in his own head at halftime. He might have went and took a shit, and while he's sitting down on the john. I ain't gonna back out no way phil rivers know i'm not at the top of my game right now yeah i'm done he goes back out and he's done with it but to your teammates that's pretty disrespectful i could see how a lot of the teammates did not enjoy it right but for me as a teammate with him at the colts like i can grab everybody was coming after him and i sent out a video congratulating him

because i like vante a lot i mean i like vante a lot but that was a bad bad bad move i think i think he would admit it too like in a couple like maybe in a couple weeks if he comes on the show a couple months i wasn't thinking right i weeks if he comes on the show, a couple months. I wasn't thinking right. I wasn't thinking right. I just thought I had to get out of that paddy, man. I can't wait. I put him in my quitting Hall of Fame.

You know, I respect a good quitter. He's in my Hall of Fame. Him, France. They quit halftime too. Yeah, they did. Very French move by Vontaeae Do you think something else happened Like Someone told him to play

And they were like No I'm injured Imagine playing as long as he did At the highest level And being great And then all of a sudden You have that epiphany And it's like

God damn it I can't compete anymore I would fucking walk off two-par I would be just so devastated Remember in preseason Remember in preseason What's his face did to him? John Ross.

John Ross, who ran a 4-2. He literally turned Vontae in a circle, and that went viral. That went viral with the quickness, and that is something where I'm sure it got in his head, kept him moving, and he's like, man, I just ain't got it anymore. Yeah, and that's just got to suck so bad. Waiting until the end of the game is something definitely you should do. And just have a conversation with your teammates and the coaches saying,

hey, like this thing. Like before I retired, everybody on the team knew that I was done. Everybody. I had told everybody at this point. Now, granted, I did it on Comedy Central, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But I think that was the – he owed his teammates that, I think. I do think that. And I think he'll even admit that at some point.

Like, hey, I kind of fucked this one up. But the NFL is nonstop action. And football is nonstop action. There's so much drama happening at all times. Last night, Todd McComas, who was a detective for 20 years, used to sit people down at a table and interview them. I want the truth, he would say to these people. You can't handle the truth, they would say.

He put out a tweet about Urban Meyer's interview that really made me go, I didn't know that. I watch Bull, which is about Dr. Phil's life as a trial scientist, basically. Comes back next week. Yep, Monday, new night, new time. Which sucks, by the way. Monday Night Football, Monday

Night Raw and now fucking Bull. My three favorite shows are all on the same goddamn night. You're telling me Bull never brought this up? So Bull there's always like a... Colonel Mines did. There's always... Really? Oh yeah. There's always like a... Your foot is facing

the door meaning you're uncomfortable i want to exit blah blah blah blah but they never dug into how people answer or look todd you sent out a tweet last night that was very interesting about the urban mire could you explain the whole situation please yeah and i for the people that spent four hours googling to let me know that i wasn't thorough enough of my explanation in 250 characters let me expand yeah 240 yeah that's fucking what i hate the most but anyway all right body language i said body language to simplify it so it makes sense to everybody technically it is neurolinguistic programming which is simply how your brain reacts hold on hold on hold on hold on speak those people all googled and it seems like you Googled as well.

That word you just used there seems like you looked that up with it. No, I know that. No, he wouldn't be able to remember if he just Googled it. That's part of the school. It's a very basic part of the school. Okay, I'm sorry I interrupted you.

So it's neuro-linguistic programming, but if I say that, people, it's, you know, whatever. Body language makes it simple to understand. So neuro-linguistic programming is basically how your brain, as best I recall, reacts to how you speak, how you communicate in language and speaking. So it used to, cops would say or were taught, oh, if a guy looks up and to the right, he's

being deceptive. It's not that simple. Then it grew to whatever is your writing hand. If you look up and toward the side of your writing hand, then you're creating because that's how you write, right? And if you look to the opposite side, chances are you are recalling from memory. Diggs is writing these notes down, by the way. I know, Marv. So I thought it was...

I studied this, too. Oh, of course you did. Criminal Minds, dude. I've watched 120 episodes. Oh, of course you do. Criminal Minds. Did I watch 120 episodes? So basically, when he said that he hadn't seen the photo of Courtney Smith until a week ago, and then he corrected himself and he looks up to that side,

immediately I was like, oh, that was interesting. As a guy who sat in an investigative chair and had to interview hundreds, if not thousands, of people. Right. Yes. Same way, like if I was a detective in that moment, I just, out of habit, wanted to grab my notebook and write three weeks, question mark, photo, right?

I'm going to come back and revisit that. But then I had to explore, is he right-handed? I need to check that out. I did. That's why I'm throwing out first pitch in a baseball game on a video. How was it? He's right-handed. How was it?

Pretty good. He's pretty athletic for an old guy. Yeah, he's right-handed. So once that was there, I was like, oh, that's interesting. And for the people that were Googling for hours and responding, yes, one behavior, one single behavior isn't a 100%. I assume there's a lot of Ohio State fans doing this. Yeah, sure. They're isn't a 100% indicator. There could be other explanations. They're a cult, too. Every Big Ten school seems to have a cult-like following, which

is good for business, by the way. I'm not going to knock it. So, basically, I'm going to take what I saw there and put it in a police interview setting. So, his interview would have started with baseline questioning. I would lay out simple, easy-to-recall answers, right so his interview would have started with baseline questioning I would lay out simple

easy to recall answers like instant recalls like what's your date of birth what's your address things like this just to get you in the routine of answering truthfully without thinking and then I would expand the baseline questioning to a question or three about something that you have to recall from memory that you would have no reason to lie about so in his case i would be like uh um how long exactly have you known zach smith that's not something you can snap off that isn't something he's been rehearsed to know like in his head he wasn't thinking okay this is the questions i'm gonna have to answer right that's something you get him off of his like whenever a uh telemarketer calls you get him off the script yes that's getting him off his yes got it got it so then you get an honest

reaction right so he's think now the rules should be he looks up and to his left but however he reacts you note it all right because i know he's telling the truth and he had no reason to not tell the truth give him three or four questions like that and then you hit him with the uh photos photo question and you look for an abnormality or something that's different and what we had here boom i'm like all right now i'm on to something if i was that's simply what i was saying in the tweet is this is interesting because normally this would be something i would mark down and really dive into so without being there for the baseline questions, you can't 100% say that he was,

which is I'm sure what the Ohio State people are like, well, you don't know. This could be a different, everybody acts different. The brain is like a snowflake. Everybody is different. There could have been a fly on the wall. Anything. But what you're saying is that was something whenever you watch it,

you're like, oh, wait a minute there. Yeah, yeah. Like then I would, so from then, I would like to, man, I was like, goddammit, why am I sitting in that chair, the one interviewing him? But any good, any decent detective would do this. I would then, since I made note of it, I would follow up with, like, more questions about that that required more detailed answering about the timeline. I'd be like, like well where were you

when you saw those pictures first blah blah blah and make him think and then i watch how he reacts so now i'm looking for multiple signs of deception that for on the same topic right we all know he knew right we're all in that we're all in that boat yeah so i have a question like he was doing an interview so he obviously had to look and make eye contact and all that. But if you were interrogating someone and they just kept their head down, their eyes down the entire time and answered everything, they were looking at a piece of paper in front of them. Would that be a tactic that would be useful against you in terms of trying to not admit anything to you? Oh, yeah.

It's like poker players who wear sunglasses or a turtleneck because their heart heart would beat harder on their neck i would always wear a hoodie and if i wouldn't wear sunglasses because i want to look at the person but it's there's always ways to beat that do you guys make people like take everything off uh you try to disarm them as much as you can so that's where like it separates good detectives from great detectives or good interviewers to great interviewers like you take breaks you reset you you're like oh he's you know what? He's being way too guarded right now. I'm just going to shoot the shit, shoot the shit. I'm not going to talk about anything important until I see him open

up and see his body language change a little bit. How many criminals do you think you became friends with just shooting shit with? They thought you were becoming friends with them. Probably all of them. 90% of them. I still think this could possibly all be a sting. Oh yeah, 100%. Todd working here? Yeah. I still think this could possibly all be a sting. Oh, yeah, 100%.

Todd working here? Yeah. I still think this is the biggest sting. It's the longest sting. He's got a laundry list of evidence by now. It's probably Gregson hiring him. Like, I need some shit on fucking McAfee. Get in there.

Get in there. You figure out whatever he can do. You piece of shit. Unless it's a double H. Is it a paid narc now? That was interesting, though, to watch. That was very interesting. And I definitely think he's bullshitting, you know?

Like, the question I wanted to ask him once I got to that point would be like, so you're going to tell me right now that there's no chance that anyone else would have told me or anybody else that they shared that picture with you via text message or email prior to three weeks ago. And then I want to see what he looks like when he answers. Got you. So a lot of it's body reading.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, if you want to know, he would ask for a lawyer. The lawyer would do all the answering. Yeah. Being Urban Meyer, yes. Yes. Or somebody of that status. Yeah.

But I think the issue here with Urban Meyer is he's on such a big platform and he's supposed to be a leader of young men, right? Guidance. That's like with Rich Rodriguez. I mean, we won a lot of games, but there's no way that's a guy that our team looked at each other and was like, you know what? That's the guy we want to be like. This is the guy we want to be like, you know?

It's one of those. That's the situation. It's like. And the university more so than even him in my opinion because given the fact that they proved that he lied about having been arrested ever in his life on his application when he was hired by urban meyer and urban meyer knew that let's we're going to dive into ohio state here in about a minute and a half i think this i don't want to say that this is a bash Ohio State podcast,

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ohio state should think about doing clean it up todd thanks for that by the way that was very interesting thank you behind the badge that's something we get to do here a little uh a little neuro linguistic programming of course of course i think you're gonna enjoy this conversation neuro-linguistic programming. Of course. Of course. I think you're going to enjoy this conversation. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man from Youngstown, Ohio. He was a running back for the Ohio State Buckeyes and led them to a national championship. Some controversies followed

that led to him leaving the Ohio State Buckeyes. His life story is one that I cannot wait to dive into. An incredibly talented human who's been through a lot. Ladies and gentlemen, you can find him on the Business and Biceps podcast with Corey Gregory and John Fosco. He runs the Red Zone, a mental health and drug recovery agency, Maurice Claret. That was a pretty cool intro. Hey, I appreciate you, Maurice. I don't want to take much of your time here.

I'd love to dig right in because you have one of the most fascinating stories in the history of football. And I think your story does a lot of motivating and inspiring to people about overcoming adversity and stuff like that. So let's get into it. You go to Ohio State. You're being talked about as the greatest running back on earth. Is that some of the most precious times you've ever had in your entire life? One, most precious, I would say yes uh very notable i think for for any kid you know when you uh when you're playing football to ultimately you know go to a premier college

and have success uh you know i think is uh is is a goal that that a lot of young guys have and uh to that went there and to you know just just the teammates that were made, the practices that were had, the memories, even though they were short-lived, those things were better than great. You know, they were fantastic. And to accomplish so much in high school and then immediately to go to college and within a 13-month span to accomplish, you know, what we did in college, you know, I wouldn't trade those memories for the world. And, you know, those things happened back in 2002 and 2003.

And, you know, still to this day, no matter where I'm at around the country, I'm able to still talk about those and leave some impressions upon people that are lasting. Buckeyes fans love you for what you did for them. With that being said, 30 for 30 came out about you, and it seemed as if the AD wasn't the biggest fan of Maurice Claret, or he wasn't the biggest fan of possibly the situations that were happening. Is there bad blood there between you and Ohio State,

or have bygones been bygones since then? No. You know, just for the story they made it, you know, for the national story, it came off like, you know, I had a problem with Ohio State, but it was actually just me in a tiff between the athletic director. And, you know, at the time, you got to take everything in context. In any context, you know, he may have felt like he's got slighted from me. And you had two big egos that were basically going against each other.

You didn't want culture, you didn't want power, and you didn't want race. I'm the inner city black kid who comes and makes this big splash on TV. And then I'm just being totally irresponsible with my power. And then you have him who's not going to be pushed around or disrespected by this kid who thinks he owns the university. And so I think if we both had a chance to do it over again, that we will do it or we would do it, and that's kind of where it was. But, you know, me and Ohio State, we've never directly had problems. It was just a disagreement or a way of how we should do things at 18. But, you know, I was 18 years old, and, you know,

I'm pretty sure if you take any 18-year-old and you give him a tremendous amount of power and a tremendous amount of just leverage over a city where you have more people saying yes rather than no, that they may make the same mistakes. And so everything is good between me and Ohio State. Now, I don't make it down as much as I would like to, be it that, you know, just the distance from the university is about 40 minutes from my house 30

or 40 minutes from my house uh but I usually make it to a couple games a season and uh and I'm just happy to see that you know those young guys are off doing a great thing this season I don't want to dive into the negative but I feel like it's a huge part of your story and a huge reason why you're so inspiring. Your exit from Ohio State revolved around a lot of situations. There were death threats I heard being involved. There was a lot of, there was possible money involved. There was arrest. There was a murder, I believe, involved. What is everything, what is your side of kind of the events that unfolded there for you in Ohio State's interesting separation? Like I said, everything was dramatized on TV. My reasoning for leaving Ohio State was something like a $50 check, all of the lies that I told the NCAA.

So for every lie that I told them that they went to go and investigate, they gave me a sanction for it, and I had about like 125 sanctions. And they were asking me endless amounts of questions about teammates and things that may have taken place. But I didn't have a situation where I was taking tens and not even $1,000. I don't have a situation where I was taking thousands of dollars from boosters and cars from everywhere. I used a car for a used car dealership.

The car had got broken into, and in the process of the car getting broken into, I reported the car being broken into on campus. And from there, that was the extent of the car situation. And that happened like in April of 2003. Later on that year, they came back and they said, you know, how could you as a college student have, you know, $800 and three or four hundred CDs? You know, those CDs that used to be back in the day in those big bookcases. You know, how could you have those things?

And I said, well, those things weren't mine. They were actually in the car that I used from the dealership because the car had recently got repoed and the dealer kind of let me use the car because it was a cool looking vehicle at the time. And that raised so much suspicion as if these were my items.

And literally, if you go back and look into the text, you know, all this stuff is easy to get your hands on. It's public information. I didn't get suspended for anything like that. It was like a $50 check I had received, $40 or $50 I had received from a gentleman to come to a kid's party, lying to the NCAA about my whereabouts and where I lived at. You know, I lived in my aunt's condo. And I thought that that was illegal at the time, but I lied to them about where I was living at. And just not being forthcoming about everything that they asked me for

is essentially why I got suspended. And the turn came from this. Most people don't realize that when you do get suspended, your university has to recommend a sanction. And the crazy part about it is that the NCAA said that they would have been fine with three or four games, but the university actually recommended the entire season or suspended me indefinitely. And that's where the bad blood became with me and Andy Geiger because he had an opportunity to say,

hey, I'll sit you out three or four games. The NCAA would have been totally fine with that because it wasn't like, you know, I accept $50,000 from a booster. They were like, hey, this guy is lying a bunch. We'll just put him on a recorrective action plan, slap him on the wrist or do something like that and get him back into the game. But the university wanted to make a bigger statement, and the bigger statement was made because they knew they had Jim O'Brien,

who was the basketball coach at the time, getting ready to get suspended. So they wanted to act like they were harsh on the stuff. And so Jim O'Brien, who was the basketball coach, and Andy Geiger, they're real good friends. And so, you know, let's send a last heart to Maurice Barrett for the disrespect he's given. And let's lay a light on Jim O'Brien, the basketball coach. There's a lot of politics, a lot of stuff that I end up filing out after the fact, but, you know, that's water under the bridge.

But I just gave you the story just because, you know, you asked, hopefully it wasn't too much. It was amazing. I just learned so much right there that I never knew before. Because the thought of the Gustavo NCAA finding down a sanction for every lie an 18-year-old tells them, who's straight out of the streets of Youngstown, who's finally getting a chance at a limelight. The adults didn't seem to act like the adults in this particular situation.

They seemed to, like, they acted a lot more like children instead. Here we go. I'll give you another situation. I was comical, right? So I had a booster in high school, a uh who was a booster club of a high school friend or he's a booster club of ours he's a friend of the program uh he ended up getting his cell phone my junior year in high school right and every month that he paid the bill that was a different infraction so instead of just saying hey you use a cell phone and it was illegal to have a cell phone in high school every month that the bill was paid, these people

gave me an infraction. So if you could round up, you know, maybe 36 months, that was 36 of the 125 infractions. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, when you look into this, if you go look at other people's suspensions that were highly notable and they got like a quarter of a million dollars, when you just shake everything out, you know, these facts aren't hard to find. When you shake everything out, this was like, this was not, this was not like some big NCAA scandal where, you know, I had piles of money, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars. It just wasn't like that. This more had to do with Jim Brown versus Andy Geiger

and Maurice Claret being the person who disrespected Andy Geiger and said, hey, you know, these guys lied about sending me home. So this was a pissing match. But nonetheless, a lot was learned from it. You know, a lot that I wish I didn't have to go through, but nonetheless, a lot was learned from it, and I'm a better person because of it. That's all I can say.

You're fucking 18 years old, though, out of the time. I mean, so they fuck you over. You get suspended for a year. That kind of turns your life into a complete different momentum than it was at. You're at Ohio State leading them to a national championship. I'm assuming the thought is I'm going to grind in this offseason. I'm going to keep it going. Hopefully, NFL hopes with how everybody's talking.

And instead, your life goes in a complete opposite direction. Am I correct? Yeah. So, you know, I got suspended. And this was probably the biggest time, you know, from being just a football player, right? You know, you have to stretch with performance, but it's easy. You know, if you want to get better in the weight room, you go lift some weights.

If you want to get better from a speed and agility standpoint, you go and run through some ropes or lift more weights or do whatever you think you can do to better become a better athlete. What actually happened was I've never dealt with personal stress. When I was ejected from the actual university and I was kind of like put on the sideline per se, I just didn't know what to do with myself. I didn't know what to do all that time. And in dealing with all of that anxiety, what I didn't realize is that I found the mood changer back in the bars, you know, back drinking, back drugging, back smoking. And, you know, all this stuff just wasn't a part of my program prior to going to Ohio State, right? I thought that I was going to be like the next golden child

and go with a couple of Heisman trophies and, you know, work my ass off and eventually, you know, become who I want to become. But that's not kind of how things played out. And what eventually happened was, like, you know, I was just so stressed out and so confused and so, you know, fucked up from the moment, just to be blunt with you, just smoking weed and popping pills and drinking and having a ton of sex is what actually felt better, you know.

But when I look back on it, I wasn't doing nothing but just trying to alter my mood and escape actually, you know, what was going on. So, you know, there's a few things people can't teach you and being famous is one of them, you know what I'm saying. Nobody tells you how to steward the fame that you receive when you're either a professional athlete or a collegiate athlete. And chances are, if you don't have a good support system, you know, when a huge adversity moment hits you, you'll kind of stay in the same situation and be fucked.

And literally, I kind of isolated myself. You know, the more success I've seen guys have on the field, it felt like life was passing me by and eventually I just kind of like isolated myself and, you know, drinking and drugging became a thing and I just kind of like left away from the world. You know, I went out to Southern California. I really thought that hooking up with Jim Brown and going to, excuse me, L.A., you know, at the time he had a program called AmeriCan where he was helping guys transition from prison.

I thought, like, just being around that vibe would help. But when I got to L.A., it was a completely different culture. You can drink and drug all day and nobody says shit. And so when I got out there, it was more of the same stuff that I was doing in Ohio. And, you know, when nobody's kind of like there to check you or hold you accountable, you can become self-destructive and not even know it.

And kind of that's what happened. And eventually, you know, everything kind of caught up to myself with going to the combine. I went to the combine and I thought like wholeheartedly. I was like, man, I'll go to this combine and perform very well. And I'll kind of recorrect everything. But just the abuse from the prescription pills, the party, and then the kind of recorrect everything. But just the abuse from the prescription pills, the partying, and the kind of fucking around, everything came to a head. And eventually things just kind of went downhill from there.

Were you selling drugs and shit like that, or did I hear that wrong? Oh, yeah. So when I was done with football, I didn't have a way to take care of myself. And so I literally said, you know, what am I going to do to take care of myself? And I just got back into the streets. And so just like any other guy, you know, who's participating in street activity, you know, in between selling dope and selling marijuana, it was just kind of like my thing to do.

You know, it's kind of how I took care of myself. You know, when you look back on it, you know, and I just want to mention it just because your platform is so huge. You know, oftentimes with these young guys, we go to these universities, and we actually think that we're beating the system by going to these bullshit classes. You know, like when I was at Ohio State, I took, you know, officiating golf, officiating softball, independent studies, and women's studies. And in that time capsule, you think it's a joke.

You think you're beating the system. But when the football is no longer an option and you can't physically play and that university isn't part of your life, you know, when you've got kids and responsibilities and you have all of this other stuff that are real things in your life, you start to realize that you weren't taught shit, that you were just basically pushed to a system and used for athletic ability. You know, a lot of these guys, including myself, come from fellow school districts, and I just think there's a responsibility that the university should take that,

you know, even if we're not going to get you the greatest of scholarships from here, if you can't academically perform, we should at least take an initiative to raise your current level of reading, literacy, mathematics, and everything else. And so that was just my two cents on this. So when it happened, you know, I just turned back into the same character I was, you know, before football started. And eventually, you know, what was I doing before I got into football? I was into crimes and all the stupid shit like young kids,

and football kind of saved my life. But once football didn't factor into my life anymore, I wasn't able to play, I turned back to the same kid, you know, just a big-ass kid who can play football, who thought that, you know, just being a gangster was more important than growing the fuck up. And that's it in a nutshell, if that makes any sense. Yeah, absolutely. At West Virginia, we had a lot of guys who couldn't even read, but they were there. And it was just a situation where you really do watch the university

just use them for their athletic ability. Now, granted, they're getting a lot out of it too, right? A potential opportunity to get out of the streets, move up, move on, potentially make the NFL and all that shit. But if it fails, there's not a lot to fall back on whenever your degree is in athletic coaching education. There's not really much you can do. So I see that all the time, and I respect you coming out and speaking about it.

Let's get back to, did you work for a gang? Were you being by yourself? Did you try to build your own empire? No, no. I was literally by myself. I ran with guys in my neighborhood. I come from Youngstown. We don't have, gangs are not super prominent.

Guys are more geographically. If you're from the south side, you. They are a few from the south side. You tend to hang with guys from the south side of your neighborhood or north side or east side or west side or wherever you have it. So it's just pretty much the activity amongst me and the guys in my neighborhood. Too many Italians there, too. You've got a lot of Italians there. Yeah, yes.

We do have a bunch of Italians, but we do have a bunch of Italians in a rich Italian culture within the city of Youngstown. Too many, man. I'm from Pittsburgh. There's too many fucking Italians. There's four. So you're right next door. You're right next door.

Yeah, there's a lot of Italians. So now I see you do a speaking circuit. You're out there basically telling your story, and I assume that's to inspire and to motivate others that they can overcome adversity as well. Why don't you talk about that a little bit? How can people book you if they want you to come talk? Your story is incredible, and you coming out on the other side of this

as professional and clean as you are is very remarkable. I hope you know that. Yeah, so most of my speaking engagements are booked at mauriceclaretonline.com. I do three things. Speaking is probably the least of what I do, but it's probably the most visible. And so I do speaking engagements. I've spoken probably over 400 times to different universities, businesses, whatever you can name. I've probably spoken on these different platforms and at these different venues. But everything is booked through MauriceClarretteOnline.com.

Also, one of the other bigger things I do is business and biceps with Corey and John Fosco. That is one of the things I think I call my therapeutic platform. I love those dudes and what we're able to do on a weekly basis. And I also run the Red Zone. The Red Zone, we're a mental health and recovery agency for adults and adolescents. I probably employ about 150 people now. We're both in the city of Youngstown, also Columbus, where I live at. I travel back and forth running both offices and places, and a lot of what was learned either through mental health, I call it mental wellness, the importance of mental wellness and people being mentally fit and well and understanding that is a thing

just as much as we understand that physical fitness is a thing. And, you know, if you want a bigger chest and bigger triceps, there's many different platforms that you can go and find that but uh understanding that mental wellness and your mental fitness uh to endure all the stresses and traumas and in situations of life that those are things and ultimately neglecting my mental health is what kind of put me in a downward spiral for 10 years and i'm using a platform when i go and speak to people uh and tell my story i'm talking about and raising awareness and giving education that these are things. But be it through, be personally speaking, the platform, the podcast, or the technical

part with our facility, with social workers and counselors and everything. I love working with those people because, you know, we directly tie into what's going on inside the country. You see a lot of people going through personal shit, be it trauma, be it stress, be it, be it everything through this opioid epidemic and, and relating, uh, your mental wellness or your mental fitness or your mental condition, uh, and the linkage of the correlation to it, uh, is highly important. I just try to use my story, uh, to inspire, to motivate and to encourage.

That's fucking awesome. Maurice, you're a hell of a human brother. I hope you know that from the streets of Youngstown to what you're doing now is absolutely incredible. I do hope you know that you are inspiring, encouraging, and motivating humans on a regular basis. I can't thank you enough for coming on the show. Quick question, though.

I don't want to bring it back up. At any point, did you think you were the next Pablo Escobar or anything when you were selling drugs? No. I didn't think like this. I think just like everything else, I think every kid, even when they're doing illegal activity, you know what I'm saying, I think that every kid wants to have success and they want to be the best at what they're doing.

And I'll say this just to make it known, because, you know, some people, this is the internet world. They take things out of context. There's nothing that I promote. You know what I'm saying? If I can do it all over again, I probably wouldn't do most of the stupid shit that I've done. But I'm happy to come out on the other side because, you know, fuck, I could have been dead.

I could be in jail for a lifetime. I couldn't be on this platform talking to you. And just being here, being healthy, being a sound mind, and being able to speak from where I'm at right now is a blessing. I appreciate the opportunity, my brother. It's cool. I had no clue that

your platform was as huge as it was just because I wasn't just dialed in to the internet. Even though I'm on the internet all the time, I wasn't just dialed in, but it's cool to see you transition and take what you've done to different heights just being a fellow football alone well i appreciate that and not a lot of people know that i'm a monster maurice it's just i just live out here i appreciate you so much man maurice claret online.com business and biceps podcast is a very good one and what you're doing with the red zone is incredible thank you so much

for opening up here and it's nice to know that you do have that elite mindset that no matter what you do you want to become the best i respect that so much ladies and gentlemen an absolute legend of a human a man that's going to leave a lot more good than any of the small negative he has done in this world maurice claret thank you so much, Maurice. Thank you, my brother. Hey, cheers, man. Take care. All right, thank you. I loved it. I absolutely loved that conversation with him.

We had it yesterday, and last night I thought about it a lot. How about them stacking charges, Todd, like cops? Yeah, that's a bullshit move. That's a state trooper move right there. For sure. 36 infractions for the cell phone. Not just, hey, you have a cell phone each month they paid

as an infraction a sanction that was a greekson move that it was bullshit it was just the ncaa just and i've been anti-ncaa for a long time i think i might have been one of the leaders of the charge to bash the ncaa way back and it's because i watch things that happen to my teammates and watch stuff happen there's a lot of people that love the NCAA. I think the NCAA does a lot of good too. I mean, college football, college basketball, all the everything is just solid, you know.

But god damn, there's some real badge heavy sons of bitches over there, man. I just don't know how they can sleep at night. I don't either. I mean, they're trying to ruin kids. That's what you're doing. You're ruining a kid. They legitimately ruined Maurice Claret's life.

Yeah. I mean, Ohio State guy did as well, but the NCAA helped. I mean, that was ruining his life. They sent him on a path of destruction back to the Screets. Yeah, he bounced back. He's an amazing person,

but usually that wouldn't happen. Had to hit rock bottom. Yeah, it seems like they're just punishing and not helping reform. You can do both. You can punish him for the sanctions, but you can also help him and guide him so he doesn't fall into that street life again. But they didn't see any more

cash value. Exactly. So they just cut him loose. That's what it comes down to. Asking him if he thought he was going to be Pablo Escobar, by the way. He was trying to move past it. I heard him trying to move past it like twice and I was like, I gotta ask him. Like, hey, did you think you were going to be a goodobar, by the way. I was very excited. He was trying to move past it. I heard him trying to move past it like twice, and I was like, I got to ask him. Like, hey, did you think you were going to be a good drug dealer, at least?

Did you like, yeah, man, I wanted to be the best, he said. No gangs. It didn't work for any gangs. He was running his own little operation. I respect that, a little entrepreneurialism. That Business and Biceps podcast is pretty cool to listen to. The guy who started MusclePharm and then sold it for hundreds of millions of dollars.

Corey Gregory from Columbus, Ohio. John Fososco who was a ufc agent i believe back in the day and uh maurice claret chatting about life is cool i think you should go check that out that red zone thing's really cool he's giving back to the community that he felt probably he was a part of for a long time yeah that's awesome it is really cool i'm thankful maurice claret joined us he was really really open really really cool and uh'm thankful Maurice Claret joined us. He was really, really open, really, really cool, and very, very thankful. Another guy who was really cool for me, a guy who took me in under his wing when I got to the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, joining me now

is one of my favorite teammates I've ever had in my entire life. He's a BCS national champion a super bowl champion a man who is a first round draft pick for the indianapolis colts running back standing at 5 foot 11 215 pounds for the number 29 joseph kawahua dua adai jr Joseph Quahoo Dua Adai Jr. I love it. I love it. How are you, man? I'm doing good, bro. I'm doing real good.

Where are you? You're down in Houston right now on full-time daddy duty, full-time husband duty, just living the world down there? All that, man. Yes, I'm in Houston. It's taking a more time than i did when i was in when i was playing ball pat it's crazy you enjoy being a father down there oh yeah i'm enjoying every bit of it i saw you i saw your kid jalen playing all the musical instruments dancing you got some talented little kids down there look pat look man one thing i

learned about football man and this is a serious part it, not to put all your eggs in one basket. Good call, man. Right. Oh, man, football is so controlled. And what I mean by it is a lot of people want to go to the NFL or the NBA, and we know so many people come so short, and they get their feelings hurt or whatever. So my thing is to expose my son, even though he likes playing football, even though he likes playing basketball, I want to expose him to feelings hurt or whatever so my thing is to expose my son even though he

likes playing football even though he likes playing basketball or whatever so his mind can grow a little bit more well i respect that a lot that's good fatherhood by the way will you let your kid play football it sounds like you are letting him play football and stuff like that you know what i went through a whole thing with him right So the first time he wanted to play or whatever, I signed him up for flag football just to have fun. Then the next year, I actually took him to a Little League football game the whole year so he can see the action. Because a lot of these kids, they come out there to play football because they've seen their favorite player on TV catch the ball,

and they don't really know what is going on out there, right? So I wanted him to really understand the injuries, understand all that. And with that, Pat, right? So I want him to really understand the injuries, understand all that. And with that, Pat, daddy, I still want to play. So I have to be out there with him or whatever. I kind of micromanage him and make sure that he's not taking on any big hits or whatever so he can enjoy the game. As a running back, you're talking about a position that gets slaughtered on a very regular basis.

How is your body how's the brain you are a bcs national champ super bowl champ uh just a a running back legend uh how's the body how's the brain feel after the wear and tear oh man i do rehab twice a week just trying to maintain man my back my knee shoulders having this little um little inches or whatever man that lingers on man the running back position man i loved it but that's something i would not let my kids play just because of what you just said pat man you get hit you get you get hit when you have the ball you get hit when you're not having a ball you get hit every play. So that's something that I do not want my kids to play is that position. Do you watch Todd Gurley or the running back position now?

And do you understand why? Do you feel for why Lev Bell is not performing and not showing up? Or do you think he should, for $14 million in a franchise tag, be there? Or do you feel like, hey, he's going to get drove to the ground here when this is just a one-year run a player basically for the pittsburgh steelers i'm gonna say this bet man i don't know the ins and outs about him and what's going on with him but as a money bag i gotta be you think about uh life after football right uh bell is a guy that i'm pretty sure is selling tickets that his judges are getting sold i'm pretty sure he's thinking

about all these things and he knows at the end of the day he's not going to come out on top, meaning his body, his mind, right? Once again, the running back is going to the Hall of Fame, so I think he wants to get his money up front, knowing that he's going to do a lot of damage throughout his career. So I don't blame him for

trying to get more money. Well, me neither, by the way. Not at all, Pat, man. Listen, me neither, by the way. If I wish. Not at all, Pat, man. Listen, it's crucial, man. I have some days, Pat, man, I'm linting. I can show you a video, man.

I have to go use the bathroom. It took me 30 minutes to get to the restaurant. How old are you? 35. God damn, living like a 70-year-old down there, Joe. You're a fucking old-ass man. I'll tell you, man, some days I look good, but some days it gets bad, man. So, as far as concerts, I talked to the fan.

I talked to this Pittsburgh Steelers fan yesterday at my son's concert. And she was talking to me from a fan's point of view. And I understood. But the thing with fans, fans want to be entertaining. I get that part of it or whatever but they don't consider everything they don't look at the bigger picture you get what i'm coming from from what somebody wants so it's not so much about all these people making money this is the standard this is the standard or whatever so they have to live by the standard it doesn't mean oh i'm i'm getting a million dollars on bliss a million dollars is a lot of money but when you're looking at it from

that perspective it's not a lot of money when but when you're looking at it from that perspective, it's not a lot of money when you think about you're doing the same thing that these other guys are doing, or your name is just as big as these other guys or whatever, so you want the same type of money. I get that. And when I explained that to her, she understood it. You were one of the greatest teammates I've ever had in any sport,

and I'm saying that as— Man, I appreciate that, man. No, but you took me in as a friend when basically nobody else... All the white dudes were all super old and married. The only other white guy really in my draft class was a Mormon who was 55 and married. So you and Clint Session took me in when nobody else really would. You're the greatest teammate I've ever had. Hey, man, I'm glad I can be that to you, man.

Hopefully, man, I can remain a friend, man, outside of this football. That's one thing that I love about this football, man, that you have long-time friendships with people, man. So I'm glad I can be that person to you, man. Clint Session, dumbest human you've ever been around? Clint Session, man. He's a different character. That's what I'm going to say.

I love that dude, man. I love that. We were talking the other day. Clint Session is somebody that made me enjoy playing for the Colts, man. Coming to meetings or whatever, right? You know, you're going to get something crazy out of Clint. I remember one time I was at Clint's house, and I was, I think we were in his living room,

and he had NFL Network on TV, and some talking head was saying something, and he made me stop talking so he could listen to this talking head. And I was like, I'm sorry. And he was like, oh, they might have given me some clues on what they're going to do this week he gets something from that yes like that is clint i remember you know what we can talk about a whole bunch of stories with clint but I don't think it'll be appropriate. You already know why. He has some crazy stories, right?

Respectfully, though, he has some crazy stories or whatever that he only believes. I think that's what makes Clint, Clint. Clint led the Colts and tackles for like four years straight, and it was so interesting to me on how he had Offensive Football for Dummies book in his living room for like four years straight and it was so interesting to me on how he had um offensive

football for dummies book in his living room and i never i i was on some vitamins over there and i was just looking around i'm like this guy is like an elite linebacker i'm like i wonder why he's so good and i see this offensive football for dummies book out like it has been read and I just started crying laughing because you know Clint you know somebody who's doing something like that it has to be him right like he's that type of guy and he can't turn his head on the field

so whatever works Clint is up next how was your Mario Kart game you still play with your kids man no I play with my oldest. He understands that game or whatever, but he's more into Madden and Live and Fortnite, all that or whatever. So sometimes I'm by myself on the Mario Kart.

Some of the guys or whatever not being around. Me and Reggie talked about Mario Kart and Guitar Hero the other day. How was that? Yeah, some of the stuff we used to play in training camp or whatever, man. Yeah, I can't play like that with my kids because they into the new stuff, man. What are you going to do? Are you going to get into chit-chatting about football on TV or on the radio, or are you just kind of hanging out? What is the future for you?

You know what? I mean, I have a gym on the north side. That's one thing. But as far as football, this is my perspective on sports, period, or whatever. I don't watch football like that. I watch the Colts and I watch LSU. I may pick an extra game on Sunday to watch, but I'm not watching football like that to know the details as far as who's doing what.

I don't know what's going on, but I don't know the ins and outs of what's going on. So I don't think I'm there yet to be able to have a full conversation about what's going on in the NFL. You cut them dreads. I cut – it was too hot. It was too hot. Oh, it's too hot in Houston. I went to Africa.

I went to Ghana. And this to Africa. I went to Ghana. And this is my first time going to Ghana. Even though my parents are from there, this is my first time officially going to Ghana. And all I'm thinking is, it's not this hot in Ghana the way it is in Houston. It's not. It's not. Oh, my God. It's not.

It's not. That's a fact, man. But, yeah, I cut the dreads off, man. Not only that, man. I'm getting older. And not to say I don't, the dreads are a childish thing, but I have boys, and I do want them to see me different from them. So even my approach to the way I dress or the way I look, I want them to see me as daddy and not see me as their equal. And the dreads was one of those things that I cut off just to kind of go to the next phase of my life.

Are you a hard-ass dad? No, no, I'm a likable dad, man. I'm a real likable dad, man. Pat, we've seen it. We've seen everything. We've seen the ins and outs, and that's one thing football does, man. You get so many different characters that you see, and you can pick up on certain things.

You get where I'm coming from, and I think that's how I like to describe myself with my kids as far as showing up different things. The conversation, that's one thing that we didn't do a lot growing up is have conversations. And we know how much conversation can make someone grow. So that's the thing that I'm always doing is talking to my boys. And I may talk a little bit too much or whatever, right? I want to make sure they're getting all this information.

But I like to think I'm alike make sure they're getting all this information. But I like to think I'm a likable dad. Well, that's good. What's your favorite memory from playing for the Colts? Favorite memory? Man, with the fellas, man. I remember, okay, one memory that I got in my head is Reggie. Reggie Wayne.

I mess with Reggie about this, man. I feel like he scares all the rookies that come in. I never fucking talked to the guy, Joe. I was at your house like four times a week. Tell me about that. I remember you came in. Came in, Joe. What's up with Reggie?

Like that. Wait a little while. He's going to be okay, right? I promise you, Reggie came in. Let me tell you my stories, right? So when I came in, right, first of all, just like you said, I'm a quiet person, but I came in. Peyton did what he did. Y'all ain't listening to anything you need, just let me know, man.

We're going to try to cook over. We're going to do what we do or whatever, man, any questions you have. Right? Just like a quarterback should. Like, okay, he's making me feel comfortable. Meet Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison butchers my last name. He butchers it.

He called me Adidas or something like that. Marvin Harrison butchers my last name. He butchers it. He called me Adidas or something like that. And all I'm thinking is, I know you've been watching the draft and all this. You can get my name right. You think I said anything? No, I did not say anything to him about how you're doing, Marvin. It's better than whatever. Now, you come to Reggie.

Reggie came and introduced himself. But it was like a scary introduction, right? Hey, my name is Reggie Wayne. And I almost felt like when he shook my hand, Pat, he rubbed my handshake on the side of his pants as if he had something on his hands. That's what I felt, right? Because the way he did it. Like, okay, I got to get, because you know,

you come in, you got to get the respect of the older guys. You got to. That's just the thing you have to do, right? So, I did my thing the first year. Reggie called me all season. Yo, you're going to be my roommate for training camp. Click. That was it.

I called him back. Say anything? No. I was excited to be his roommate. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. When you came and told me your story, I'm like, Pat, I know exactly what you're going through. Exactly what you're going through.

It's a hard ass, man. He could scare someone. Eight years later, he never fucking called me. I thought he hated white people. You didn't get him on the show, man. No, fuck no. I didn't ever have a conversation with him. I thought he hated white people, Joe. I honestly thought he hated white people.

No, not at all, man. I think it's that New Orleans in him. Naturally, he has this thing about him or whatever. He's a great person, but when you meet him, you're almost scared. You almost got to think twice before you go up to Reggie. That's what it is about him.

So he didn't talk to me for like two years. We just so happened to be on the same plane back from Fort Lauderdale back to Indianapolis. He was flying back home. I don't know if it was off-season or something like that. I was down there just vacationing, And I got on the plane first. I'm flying first class. I have money. It's nice.

So I get up there, and I'm sitting in the front row. And I got on early, and I might have passed out or something like that. And I wake up, and we're already in the air. We're like 45 minutes into the flight. And I hear a voice two rows back. And I'm like, that's fucking Reggie Wayne. So I do a little turnaround, and I can't see him because of the seats. And he's talking to this white guy. And I'm like, oh, Reggie Wayne so I I like do a little turnaround and I can't see him because the seats you know and he's talking to this white guy and I'm like oh that must be

his agent or something full conversation full conversation laughing they're laughing Joe I'm telling you like jovial high-fiving and then when the point when we go to get off the plane the guy goes it was very nice meeting you Mr.. Wayne. And Reggie's like, you too? I'm like, this motherfucker. You didn't get that treatment at all, right? Like, hold on, he talks to white people? Yeah, that's exactly what I thought, Joe. I was not happy about it. I think that was the...

I understand. I understand what you went through, babe. You got to get Reggie on your show, babe. You got to talk about this, babe. I understand what you went through, man. You got to get Reggie on your show, man. You got to. You got to talk about this, man. I don't know. Robert Mathis, one of the most intimidating humans on earth. Good friend of mine.

You, good friend of mine. Reggie fucking Wayne, though. Zero conversations. Ten years of potentially knowing him. Hey, you look back on your time in the NFL. Positive, you say knowing him. Hey, you look back on your time in the NFL. Positive, you say? Yeah? Overall positive? Yes, I would say that. I'll actually say that.

I would say that, man, because once again, football, man, is probably one of the only sports that you need the next guy to be successful. You get where I'm coming from? When basketball, it doesn't matter, point guard, shooting guard, center, everybody gets a chance to shoot the ball everybody get a chance to showcase their skills so the way i look at football and sports all together it's a privilege

right it's a privilege to play it because everybody don't get a chance to play it so in my mind that's automatically a positive you get what i'm coming from yep um for whatever reason um as far as us running the ball like towards the end of my career or whatever it didn't go so well or whatever i have nobody to blame i'm not blaming nobody i'm not somebody on the bus uh whatever the case may be it's football it happens that way so for me i feel like it went well for me well i think i would agree man you're a college champ, pro champ, and it sounds like you're dominating this adulthood thing too. Now granted, taking 30 minutes to go take a shit is an old man thing.

We might need to get you one of them buttons like if you fall in and need help, Joe. Life line or whatever it is. Life alert. You're exactly right. Life alert. You're exactly right, sir. You're exactly right. Life alert. You're exactly right, Seth. You're exactly right. Right now, I tell my wife every time I'm going to the restaurant,

so if I don't come out, that's what's going on right now. All right. Well, tell the family I said hello, Joe. I'm so thankful you joined us. Keep dominating. I can't wait to see what you do in the future. And once again, thank you so much for being such a good teammate and friend whenever I was young, man.

I appreciate that a lot. Hey, man man thanks for having me on man anytime man give me a call all right hey you um i won't put you on blast at the moment oh whatever it is i got scared you still uh dance with the vitamins every once in a while uh um, you're a father. Of course you don't. All right, perfect. Ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, an absolute legend of a human being. And what I just learned is when people say it's Africa hot, it's completely wrong.

You need to be saying. It's completely wrong, Pat. I'm telling you. Now, listen, for the people that may be in Indy or Chicago where it's hot and you go to Africa, okay, you will be hot. But me being from down south, being in Houston, being in Louisiana, Africa is not this hot. Oh, my God, it's not this hot. I'm telling you, Pat, it's not. It's different.

I was sweating out there. Don't get me wrong. Because of the climate, right? Anytime you go to the tropics, you're going to feel it, right? You go to Jamaica, you go to Bahamas, you're going to feel something no matter what because the climate is different. But in the States, when you go outside, you almost have to put on glasses, right? Just because to protect your eyes or whatever. Over there, I didn't have to do that.

Even though the sun is out, I didn't have to do that. So all of that stuff I'm thinking about, I'm outside at 2 o'clock out there in Ghana. Houston, I don't come out 5 or 7.30. I don't. So you come from the heat, it's so different

or whatever, right? I didn't know the world was that different as far as the temperature. I'm thinking every place is hot. Africa is hot, right? The perception of it being so hot down there or whatever, now you're coming down. I mean, you get a chance to go down there and compare it to Houston. It's horrible, man, as far as the weather.

As far as the weather, man, it's too hot out here. Well, stay safe down there. If you don't make it out until 730, you probably start making that trek from your bedroom about 645 to make it out to your front door. I've seen your house down there. If you don't make it out until 7.30, you'll probably start making that trek from your bedroom about 6.45 to make it out to your front door. I've seen your house down there. That place is beautiful. Joe, thank you so much for joining us. You're the absolute man. Are you on the internet at all?

What are your social media handles? People can follow along. It's simple. It's josephadai713 on Instagram. Same thing on Facebook. I'm just on Facebook and Instagram. Well, we appreciate you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, champion of life, Joseph Adai. Thank you, Joe. Thanks, buddy.

Hey, good luck with the kids, Donner. Appreciate it, big man. Hey, the vitamin answer is one of the funniest answers I've heard in my entire life. Have a good one, man. You too, man. Cheers. I love Joe, man. He's the man. Cheers. I love Joe, man. He's the coolest.

Oh, man, I'm a big fan. Smooth dude. He did a lot of good for the Colts, too. He's a good player. He was on his way to get a Super Bowl MVP there the time we lost to the Saints. And then all of a sudden, you know, everything happened, whatever it is.

And by the way, hanging out with him in Clint Session was a good time. They taught me a lot. Taught me a lot about life. He was also incredible at Mario Kart. Joseph Adai had a Mario Kart setup in his living room that was awesome. I think he could have possibly beat Zito, who's the greatest Mario Kart player

I've ever seen. No, I'm the greatest. I do believe there is a chance you are the greatest Mario Kart player on Earth. I think so, too. I honestly think there is a chance you're the greatest. A lot of practice. That's all it takes. A lot of practice. This is an open call, by the way. If anybody thinks they can beat Zito in Mario Kart,

I would love to hear from you. We'll put it on the Twitch stream. We'll keep it moving. I don't think you can, by the way. Not a chance. I think Zito's the greatest, and I also believe that the underwear I'm currently wearing right now around my thighs, taint, balls, and whole operation

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Big thanks to Joseph Adai. On Thursday, Albert Breer from Monday Morning Quarterback joins us. And I'm not sure who else. We're working on a couple other guests. We'll see how that goes. I'll be doing a show live with my friends from Orlando, Florida. Doing some stuff with them. Nice.

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And we'll be doing a show live from there. I think it's going to be good. 11.50 a.m. on mybookie.ag. You can bet now on whether or not I will make 21 cornholes in five minutes. I'll be doing that live from Orlando. I think it's pretty simple. Good hammer that fucking over.

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