The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 010 - Adam Schefter, Willie McGinest, & The Worst Play In NFL History

Episode Date: October 4, 2018

On today's show, Pat breaks down what is considered to be the worst play in NFL history when the Colts attempted a fake punt against the Patriots that was never supposed to happen in the way it did. They also chat about Pat's upcoming trip to LA to help promote Pat McAfee: Professional Baseball Player (available for preorder Oct. 7th on PatMcAfeeShow.com). Also joining the show are two great guests. First, the king of scoops, the insider of all insiders, Adam Schefter, joins the show. They chat about his process for breaking news, the backlash he faced from the Jason Pierre-Paul situation, and whether or not he has beef with any other reporters or members of the media (2:00-24:53). Next, 2x Pro Bowler, 3x Super Bowl champ, and one of the greatest Patriots to ever live, Willie McGinest, calls into the show. They discuss his upcoming Football Life on the NFL network, who some of the current linebackers he loves to watch are, and why Bill Belichick is so good (39:17-1:01:11). Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is the man who has scoops on top of scoops on top of scoops. Every single Sunday, there's some story being broken that's shaking the NFL landscape, and it's all coming from one man and one man only. He graduated from the University of Michigan, and then... Oh, there's a little echo there. I like that. Northwestern University.

He's a longtime man on ESPN. If you want to know something in the NFL, there's only one man to go to, and that is Adam Schefter. Wow Pat that is quite the introduction. I wish I had given you an introduction that kind and that grandiose when I had you on my podcast last week. I wish the same. You deserve it though brother. Your name is synonymous with the NFL, and as a reporter, that's not easy to do, especially a scoops guy. You kind of flipped the game on its head

when it got into the scoops game. How did you become the insider of all insiders when it comes to the NFL, Mr. Schefter? Well, thank you for asking me the question. Thank you for the kind words, Pat. I would just say I've never thought of myself like that. Honestly, I've just tried to do my job all the time, and it's 28 years in the

business i've been doing it since 1990 so anybody that does anything for a long period of time i think obviously if they try to treat people the right way uh you hope that the results are good and all i've tried to do from the time that i cover high school sports uh when i was in college and getting out of college and it's just again try, try to do the job the right way, work hard, and do all the work that some people might not be willing to do. No skills, no talents, just a lot of longevity and a lot of reliability, I guess. As a talentless person, I think you've done pretty damn good. I think the world has seen your hands at work.

You've got great hands. The jugs machine almost knocked you over, but you made the catch, people forget. I've seen GIFs of you bobbling cell phones on studio sets, but you make the catch, by the way. So I don't think you're a talentless person. I think you have a lot of talent. I would like to ask you a quick question, though. Yes. As I was doing research on you, I had no idea that you were also a northwestern

university graduate you only pub that you went to michigan is there a reason for that do you hate northwestern is this a breaking news adam schefter doesn't respect northwestern no i love northwestern in fact i went back there in 2014 and had the occasion to speak to the medill school of journalism i went there for one year, and I had a great time there. I loved it. Michigan is my undergraduate school. I went there four years, and I have not hid from the fact that I go to Northwestern at all. I'm very proud of the fact, in fact, Northwestern has produced some of the most talented people at ESPN. Mike Greenberg, Michael Wilbon, Rachel Nichols, Cassidy Hubbard. They all went to Northwestern.

I mean, it's just pumped out. Great reporter after great reporter. They do a great job there. It's just, again, I had one year there. And actually, three months of it was spent in Washington, D.C. as an intern covering campaign finance reform, which reinforced my desire to go into sports. And at that point in time, I spent nine months in Chicago, three months in a cockroach infestation in Evanston, Illinois, and then six months in a dorm in downtown Chicago. I love my time there.

I am a proud Northwestern alum. I've always spoken about it, but I think people just think more closely of me with Michigan because Michigan, I've had a lot of interaction with the school and love the place, and my son goes there. And so I don't know. I think that's how it's worked out. Ah, geez. Well, I appreciate that.

That's a great answer. So what are your thoughts on Syracuse? Is there a big Syracuse-Northwestern rivalry at ESPN? Because I think that's where everyone who works at ESPN is from, right? Syracuse is there a big Syracuse Northwestern rivalry at ESPN because I think that's where everyone who works at ESPN is from right well look Syracuse has put out a tremendous amount of

broadcasters you can go through the list Bob Costas went there Tirico I think Tirico went there the orange that orange Seth Larkman went there the school quickly found out he didn't have any broadcasting talent

and sent him into producing and directing and things like that. See, that's one of the skills of Syracuse. He can weed through that. And so when it comes across somebody like the great Seth Larkman, listen, your future is not on air, sir. You need to manage people, not on air, sir. You need to manage people, not be reporting on people. So he's the man that makes everything happen behind the scenes at ESPN with the NFL.

You've had an incredible run, breaking news stories that nobody expects. Obviously, when it comes to having inside information, there has to be some sort of pressure on you to kind of keep your sources happy and things like that have you ever had a situation where a source has said like i fucking hate you for doing that or is it always is it a very kosher operation you know that's a great question pat i would say this um i would say this that i i am not a confrontational person. I don't care for it, enjoy it. You know, ask my wife. You know, I don't think I've been married together for 12. I don't think I've picked a single fight with her.

And she's feisty and fiery and combative, unlike me. So she's happy to have an argument every now and then. But when people get upset, and it happens regularly, it always bothers me. I don't like that. And as Mort and I have discussed and people say, it comes with the territory sometimes. You're going to report on things, say things that... Hold on, hold on. You cut out right there. things that like. Hold on, you cut out right there. You said you're going to say things and report on things

like and then it cut out as if it was a movie cutting out the most important part. Well, as I was saying when I was so enthralled by this cell phone carrier coverage, you're going to say things and report on things that sometimes people just don't like. It's part of the job. I don't think everybody's happy when you're going to say things and report on things that sometimes people just don't like

it's part of the job and i don't think everybody's happy when you're reporting that they failed a drug test or being suspended or being accused of something unsavory i mean just these things happen you know it's not enjoyable talking about somebody losing their job families being displaced and these are you know regular storylines in the NFL. And again, I think you just try to be fair about it. And if you can be fair, then you're doing your job, I think, the right way. But inevitably, sometimes people are going to be pissed off, Pat, pissed off. I asked you on your show because I couldn't help it because I never thought I'd get a chance to talk to you again, so I'm going to do it you on your show uh because i couldn't help it because i never thought i'd get a

chance to talk to you again so i'm gonna do it again on this show uh the biggest story that you ever broke and you gave me the next one which is such a professional answer but whenever i say when i say biggest story you ever broke in your head right there some story just popped into your head right there something was like oh that one what? Honestly, there's not a single story that I can give you or would rattle up. I think I would take more satisfaction in just the body of work of doing what I've done for 28 years. And it's a long time. And as somebody said, it's sort of like standing in a batting cage and the pitches just keep coming and coming and coming.

And you just try to get your bat on the ball and get a single here and there. And so I don't sit back and say, oh, yeah, I got that story or I got that story and reflect on that. I just – it's not how I think. So while I understand why you're asking the question, I'm being honest, I'll tell you the next, the biggest story is the next one. But the bigger deal really is just that

I've been fortunate enough to be able to do it for as long as I have. That means more to me than any single story. Okay, so you can't tell us the biggest, but is there one that affected you maybe personally or one that sticks out to you, something you connected with? Just bring up the Jason Pierre Paul story so we can ask you about it. Also, what is the next one?

What's the next one? Just bring up the Jason Pierre Paul one so we can ask you about it. What do you want to know about it? Like, what was the backlash on that? Because that took over the world. That changed the game, I think, for Inside Scoops because people were like, well, now some hospital worker is leaking information. And then there was like, well, we got a BOFA.

What is it called? Not BOFA. HIPAA. HIPAA. We got a HIPAA lawsuit. It took over the world. That story legitimately took over all aspects of the world, not just in football world.

It took over everything. Is that not one that you think back, you're like, oh, that one was a wild one that you did not expect to go the way it went? Well, again, that story, what's interesting when you think back on that one, that would not be one of my more favorite ones to talk about because of the controversy surrounding it and the ferocity and strength of opinions on both sides of the coin. Like, you know, I remember getting texts that night from people around the league and they're like, oh, my God, I can't believe that you got that information. And other people were furious.

I mean, there were players sounding off about it. Now, again, the backdrop to that, and what I think got lost in all this because it was controversial, was the fact that, and what I think got lost in all this, because it was controversial, was the fact that Jason Pierpont at the time was the Giants franchise player. They had put the franchise tag on him. He had not signed the tag. They didn't know when he was going to come in. They didn't know what the story was.

And he has this fireworks accident down in Florida, which is very unfortunate for him. So he gets taken to the hospital with a hand injury. Everybody knows he's got some sort of hand injury, but nobody knows exactly what the situation is. And the Giants didn't know what it was. The Giants sent down their trainer, Ronnie Barnes, and other people within the organization to try to go meet with him to figure out what the extent of the injuries were. And they were turned away at the hospital. So they were trying to get the answers as to what was going on.

And all of a sudden, you know, the situation unfolds. And I get this chart, you know, just a chart that was saying that his finger was amputated. And again, I've talked about this before, and it's been misinterpreted. When I look back on it, I wish I had had the chance to discuss it with my editors more than I did to factor in what everybody had to say rather than just acting as a lone wolf guy. That was my regret that I didn't have more discussions about it. But at the time, I really, I didn't view it in that way. And so, you know, we reported that he had his finger amputated. I used a chart that said it. Again, my sense was that this wasn't like a guy that was taken to the hospital

with some sort of mysterious illness, and I violated his privacy. But there are people who still feel I violated his privacy. We can debate that back and forth. But the information came out. He had his finger amputated, and fortunately he's been able to bounce back and have a very good NFL career since then. Did I answer your question there, Pat? Great answer there, Shep.

And the reason why I wanted to talk about it is because I thought you were unfairly crushed on that. I mean, your job is to get inside information. That was the inside information of all inside information. You did your job literally to the highest ability that nobody else could do, and I thought nobody was looking at that. I think I thought it was, so I'm excited. We brought it up.

I assumed that there was something that you wouldn't want to talk about in my head though. I was like, yeah, that's his fucking job is to get that type of stuff. Well, we talked about it and I told you basically the background and, uh,

it was, it was quite an experience. The whole thing. I mean, everything about it from the day. It's funny because there are certain things that just brand themselves in your mind, and you cannot forget all the details. And I remember it.

It was in July, and I'm in the backyard, and someone texted me this chart. I'm like, what is this? And I called around and spoke to various people to confirm there was a chart that i was okay to use it you know and and uh and and and ran it and the fallout was what the fallout was which was again um very polarizing on both sides what's the rush like whenever you get a story like that like whenever the so for instance whenever i was punting if i pin somebody deep like at the one i did my job there's like a natural high and whenever i do when i do comedy if i can get the entire place to be completely silent while talking and then

completely upside down whenever i want them to do there's like a natural high it's like oh this is what we're doing for you whenever you get a home run sent to you, what is that feeling like for you? Is it just like you're trying to chase that feeling every single time? You're not chasing that feeling, but you know that feeling well. And the feeling is one of excitement and adrenaline and anxiety because, you know, there's nothing worse than having something. And then all of a sudden it's showing up elsewhere, you know, like, oh man, you know, somebody else has got it. And, and so, you know, there have been stories I've gotten where you're just, you're working to confirm them or validate them.

Or a team wants to talk to a player first. Can you just wait 10 minutes till we get the player? You know, I would just, just little things like this. I mean, it's just a simple thing. Right. This week, uh, had the story of one guy, uh, within the last couple of weeks, he's going to get released and Hey, texting the team, gave him a heads up. I'm going to report this. And, and one of the GMs is a heads up i'm gonna report this and and and one of the gms is like hey can you can you just wait till i talk to the guy i'm trying to reach the guy

and we haven't been able to tell him yet and don't want him to read about it i'm like i i don't want to wait long here i'll give you a few minutes no problem they tracked down the guy and and told him and once they did they're like okay we told the guy i told him. And once they did, they're like, okay, we told the guy. I'm like, okay. And so that's what it's like sometimes. You know, you have some of that. But in terms of any time we get a story, I don't think if it's a big deal, there's always the heart pounding sensation that you get.

You know, when the information comes in, you're like, Oh my God, this is going to happen. Oh my God. Wow. So a lot of guys find out that they're cut from you. Like that is something that is very normal. It's interesting to hear though, that the GMs, the GMs are like, Hey, is there any way you can have us talk to him first? You're like, well, cause it's not just you. It's the insiders all over the place that are like, cause they is there any way you can have us talk to him first? You're like, well, because it's not just you. It's the insiders all over the place that are like,

because they get the information. I don't know who you guys are. I said this on your show. I have no idea who your sources are, but when I was on the team, I was learning things about the team that I was on from you, from a practice that I was standing at. So it was a very wild situation. It's very impressive.

I go back to that guy that the team that I texted, hey, just want to give you a heads up that I'm going to do this. And the text back was, that's BS. What did I do? Get the information, you know. And that brings us back to guys being upset. Now, if I had just gotten the information and spit it out, you know, I think that guy would have been, you know,

really, really pissed off. And again, I can do whatever I want to do, right? I don't need him to approve it or sign up. But I just think you want to be professionally courteous when you can, when you can. Hey, why don't you guys hurry the fuck up? I'd like to break this. That's what you tell the GM.

Hey, why don't you go out the fuck up? I'd like to break this. That's what you tell the GM. Hey, why don't you go out? Yeah, go screw yourself, right? When you speak to the students at the University of Northwestern's journalism school, what's the biggest piece of advice you give to those that are aspiring to have a career such as yours? Well, you know what? First of all, I'm really glad I did it

because it's great to be in front of those kids plus um you know i always feel it's an obligation anytime you're asked to talk to somebody about going into the business and and those requests come in you know often i'll talk to everybody but i always say hey do me a favor and go back and google my speech that i gave to the Northwestern and the Medill School of Journalism in 2004. Just Google it. It's a 70 minute speech. And there's probably going to be things in there that I say that I'm not going to say to you today. And so there's a lot of advice, information that's dispensed that almost has served me as here's my little how-to video that you could just watch, Just go on Google and YouTube it.

But if I'm going to summarize what I said that day, there were a lot of things I said that day. I don't remember exactly what I said that day. But I think that it comes back to just, again, working hard and doing the right thing and trying to treat people as fairly as you can and making yourself indispensable to the organization that you work for. And really, you know, you hear people all the time, they say, I want to go to work for Major League Baseball.

I want to work for the NBA. I want to work for a football team. And what I would say is just get in the door. Just get in the door. I don't care if you're cleaning the mail room and getting the boss's coffee or scrubbing the toilets. Just get in and do it. Because once you get in, then you've got an opportunity to be around all these people and to show them your worth and your value and your work ethic and what you can bring. And once you get that opportunity

to get in the door, then you want to make it such that they can never let you go and they have to have you. That's beautiful. That's a really good piece of information. I don't think anybody should dream to work for a place that doesn't have people cleaning their own toilet. I agree. Okay, so the NFL is under a PR.

If anybody wants to clean my toilet, I'm hiring an intern. Exactly. The NFL has PR nightmare after PR nightmare, whether it's with the rules or off the field or anything like that. Have you heard any discussions from any of your sources about the rules with the Clay Matthews shit that's taking over the world?

And every single thing that happens, they kind of take over the world with every little PR problem. Have you had any discussions with any of your sources in the league about how they're going to fix the game and make it something that everybody can truly enjoy and kind of rally behind? You know what? That's the issue du jour, like right now.

Every year it's something else. And there are always complaints about the officiating, right? But last year, you know, is it a catch? Is it a no-catch? Now can you hit the quarterback? And I think what the league is trying to do, and so far to very mixed results, is they're just trying to be consistent right now.

Like last weekend in week four, you saw the roughing the passer penalties drop dramatically. I think there were two all weekend long. And I think they got a message across, hey, let's try to be smarter about this. Now you still see the play like Arden Key bumping into Baker Mayfield and getting a call there that's like ridiculous. But, again, I think as long as the league is trying to establish some consistency here from week to week, from game to game, from crew to crew.

And I think that's part of the problem is that these officiating crews, each one has its own ideas. Even Teddy Bruschi, who I worked with at ESPN, was espousing on NFL Live, and I thought it was a great point. He's like, if you're a defensive player, you need to know who the officiating crew is, and you need to study them just the way that you would study the opposing offenses so you know their tendencies.

You'll know if a crew is calling a game tight that you can't hit the quarterback at all. You'll know if they're not calling it as tight that you can get some little jabs in on the guy. So it's important to know the tendencies of the officiating crew. That's where the league is at right now, but I think the league is just trying to be more consistent with this. Okay. I respect that a lot. I appreciate you so much, Schefter. I very much appreciate you, man.

Is there any big news? I appreciate you. Anything you'd like to break on my show here, or anything new that we should be looking forward to that's coming? Breaking news. Pat McAfee has not given up the idea of one day punting in the NFL, but it would have to be the right opportunity at the right time with the right team and then he'd be willing to turn his back on this fantastic media empire that he's created to go punt again in the nfl

that's a good little breaking news pretty accurate pretty accurate assessment uh shepter's podcast is really good by way. You were a great host the other day. I appreciate you for having me on. You're good at that. Well, I appreciate you having me joining me on such short notice and being the great guest that you are. It was fun. You've done a great job at your next career,

if you ever decide not to go back to your old career. And there aren't too many people who could punt as successfully as you. And then podcasts. As I said in the intro, punter turned podcaster. You have other skills, too, but that's a little bit alliterative, so it works out. Oh, I like the P and the P there. Did you learn that at Northwestern or Michigan?

One of the two, Paul. Respect. Ladies and gentlemen, the insider of all insiders. Why do you and Florio hate each other? I just remembered this. Where do you get the hate each other from? I mean, not hate each other. What's the beef with you and Florio?

What did you see me say about him? Oh. Okay. All right, there it is. All right, I appreciate that. I respect that answer. You just answered a lot of things there with that word. Yeah. there it is all right i appreciate that i respect that answer you just answered a lot of things there ladies and gentlemen the inside man of inside men uh michigan man northwestern grad as well 70 minutes speech go ahead and check that out on the google i can't wait to learn from you there

check out his podcast you can obviously see him on ESPN every single day with about five different phones handling all the business. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Thank you, Chef. Thanks, Pat. Appreciate having me. Thank you so much. You were really incredible in there, Adam. I hope that worked out for you.

Yeah, it was great. I appreciate it, man. We'll send you a link. You got it, my friend. Thank you. Anytime you want. We'll be in touch, Pat. You got it.

See you. Take care Bye bye What'd you ever hear me say about him? That's great That's such a good answer It's not wrong That is true though right?

I guess it is true I wish we could just call Florio right now Yo Schefter said that He never says a thing about you Cause on this show He said I'm not gonna say any names I'm not gonna say any names

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There was a Patriots-Colts game a couple years ago that has a situation that people have said is the worst football play in the history. And although I was 15 yards behind the play and in a corner, you can't even see me on the shot, my name is at the

bottom of it pat mcafee so every time this play is mentioned i get about 7 000 tweets actually what's going on here cuz well here i am to explain it to you we all knew going into the patriots game that every first down is a big deal every first down against the new england patriots is a big deal we lost by 50 to them before they hung up 100 points on us before. The New England Patriots and the Colts have been a rivalry for a long time, but here in the most near future, it has not really been a rivalry. It's been much more of a windshield and a bug-type situation.

So going into the week, I assume that Chuck Pagano had a meeting to his coaches that was like, hey, we are emptying all of the bullets this weekend. Everything that we got, we're going to use. We kicked an onside kick against them in the same game. I kicked it to the left, which we hadn't done all year. We actually recovered it. We got fucked over by the refs. That's neither here nor there.

I would have had five onside kick recoveries in one year, which I think would have been an NFL record, but instead the ref screwed us over. That's neither here nor there. But Tom McMahon goes in. He says, I have this little play that I think we can get too many men on the field, possibly. I think we can maybe, if worse comes to worse, we take a delay a game. We lose five yards.

If we're in a pooch punt area, I think we can run this play. And Chuck Buccona's like, good. I want to hear it. Tell me all about it. What are the ins? What are the outs? You know, he drops his little thing. What are the ins?

What are the outs? Tom McMahon probably got it on a dry erase board and was like, here's the deal. You sub out the offense. You bring on the punt team. It's when it's fourth and five or less or whenever we're in the pooch area, we can gain some yards. Sounds good.

What happens is the offense will run off the field and then we'll send the punt team out. Then it'll look as if, oh, wait, no, no, no. We're going to do what the New England Patriots do to other teams. We're going to run the punt team off, bring the offense back in, have them have to have their defense get off the bench, get back on the field. This is a New England Patriots play forever and ever. Amen. So we'll have the punt team appear as if they are sprinting off of the

field so that the Patriots maybe have to either call a timeout or they will sub their punt return team out, bring their defense back in. And if nothing happens at all, if they just cover everybody up, cool, we take a delay game, back it up five yards. Sounds like a plan. Easy. Easy.

This is a good idea. There's no risk in this. There is zero risk in this. Zero risk in this. I forget who the left gunner was. The way the play was set up is the left gunner, while everybody is sprinting off of the field, the left gunner, who's the far gun set up is the left gunner while everybody is sprinting off of the field the left gunner who's the far gunner will just stop at the ball he will become the center the pp who fakes spring off the field with the rest of the team will turn around go back he's

quarterback if they are mid sub if a defense is jogging onto the field while the punt team's jogging off they'll have too many players on it you snap the ball you take a knee it's too many men first down okay so we steal a first down basically if they don't sub the ball is not to be snapped it was either clayton gethers or winston guy who was working as that left gunner all week all week we rep this thing i think seven to ten times that week like yep this is gonna work everybody has to sprint as if they're sprinting off the field in a panic, and then you just stop by the sideline. You didn't sub, so the ref won't stop it for the subs

because the offensive team didn't actually sub. So everything will happen. Hopefully we'll be able to out Belichick. Belichick. That was the thought. Or we take the delay again. Get to game day. The left gunner who was in all week practicing as a center.

In the playbook it says, in the center. In the playbook, it says, in the actual playbook, the rules, it says, if the center gets under center, we are snapping it. If he doesn't get under center, it means they didn't sub. We are not snapping it, okay? Griff Whalen, Stanford guy, backup holder. He's the guy that we put in every situation. The left gunner, either Winston Guy or Clayton Gethers gets hurt or gets sick, he's not in. So we just go, cool, we'll put Griff Whalen in that spot. He's a smart guy. He'll be able to figure it out. Griff Whalen reads the playbook

where it says, if the guy gets under center, we're snapping the ball. So as we're going on to the field, Colt Anderson, who's the PP, Chuck Pagano says to him, hey, if they don't do it, maybe a hard count. See if we can get him to jump off sides. Doesn't tell Griff Whalen.

He only tells Colt Anderson that. Tom McMahon has no idea that this conversation happens. No clue that this happens. So this all happens. We get on the field. We're calling it. Everybody's like, I can't believe we're fucking actually running this. So they call it.

We sprint over to the side. We stop. Griff Whalen is now the center. Nothing happens. Colt Anderson stands there for a second.. Griff Whalen is now the center. Nothing happens. Colt Anderson stands there for a second, and then Colt Anderson gets under center. Griff Whalen reading the playbook is like,

well, fuck, here we go, because his head's down. He's not even looking up. He goes, hut, hut, hut, hut, like three huts trying to draw him off sides. Snaps it, gets tackled. That's why whenever they cut to my face, I'm like, what in the fuck? Bro, what just happened? Because for me, by the way, just for future reference,

I was on a Pro Bowl-like run that year. That's an inside to 20 punt that is getting taken out of the stats. That is giving them the ball, which is what I'm on the field. Field position is what I'm there for. You're giving the fucking Patriots the ball at the 45, basically. It looks like a nightmare it was a whole situation so i come over to tom mcmahon and i'm like what the motherfucker you guys doing right i'm yelling at tom mcmahon little tom mcmahon who's now denver bronco special teams

go you don't don't fuck you i don't know what the fuck we're doing either pat i'm like why so i go to griff way i'm like what the fuck you snapped the ball for he got under center have you got under center i'm like who told you that he's like the playbook i was like i've never read that i have no idea if that's the case so then after the game still until the game ends nobody has a clue what happened right stadium included nobody has a clue the internet's already upside down by this point we go in to the locker room colt tells tom mcmahon he was like oh i was trying to draw him off sides and tell me like who the fuck told you, he was like, oh, I was trying to draw him off sides. And Tom was like, who the fuck told you to do that? He was like, Chuck said to maybe try to draw him off sides. So now there is a five different layer of,

there's a lot happening here, which a simple communication error, by the way, just a very, very simple communication error causes the worst play in NFL history possibly. And my name's at the fucking bottom of it any time it goes out there. It was mind blowing. Other side of the ball. Did they just not sub at all?

No, they just moved all their players over, and then they had three guys over the ball. Yeah, they didn't even think about subbing, and I think it's because we didn't sell the run off the field hard enough, I think some of our guys, but also we didn't line up right, so all the weeks of practice, the guys lined up off the ball.

They're supposed to be on the ball, so when they ran over, they just lined up off the ball, so even if it works, we have a penalty from too many people off the ball. It is supposed to be on the ball. So when they ran over, they just lined up off the ball. So even if it works, we have a penalty for having too many people off the ball. It is what we like to call a nightmare of a situation. But all week we thought, yep, the worst thing that could happen here is we take a delay of game. Best thing is we steal a first down and we out Belichick. Good plan.

Great plan. I mean, we say it all the time when things like this backfire. If it works, genius. If it doesn't, yikes. Live on the internet forever. But that's all it is. It's just one little communication. And there's no way Chuck was trying to fuck over the play, right?

Just by saying, hey, try to draw him off sides. We're going to take a delay game anyways. Try to draw him off sides. Because it's not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. It's a great idea. But if he doesn't know. There's no way Griff Whalen was trying to fuck over anybody.

It's literally just a communication error times. Infinite embarrassment. That's exactly what it was. We obviously go in to lose that game. Could have won it. Bing, bang, boom. Keep it moving. It was wild.

I was never more mind-blown in my turn. What the fuck are we? I go to Tom McMahon. What the fuck are you doing, man? If you're going to run a fake, at least have me be involved in it. You know what I mean? We're at least going to run a fake. let's have an athlete be a part of that would be tough you only get so many moments to run those fakes and then they run one and it's

like you're on the field and you're just watching like hopeless and tom mcmahon too whenever i go over and i start motherfucking him afterwards he was like don't you what do you i don't know what happened either i'm like how do you not know what happened? And then it all came out afterwards. And this was during the Chuck Pagano or Grigson time, too. Like, who's going to get fired? Who's not going to get fired? So Griff Whalen is just getting crucified. Like, absolutely murdered.

Colt Anderson are getting murdered and murdered and murdered. And I went on Bob and Tom, the local show, and I was like, yeah, this is just a communication error. Somebody told one thing, one thing. Somebody else told another thing. This is not Griff Whalen's fault. Griff Whalen is a nerd. That's what he is. He reads it. That's what it is. There's no... It was neither of their fault.

In the end, it is just one gigantic communication faux pas that'll live on forever and ever. Amen. And my name's right at the bottom. I was so confused. I was so, so, so so confused they actually showed my face it's always like whenever we did the fake in jerry world and i threw it and dewey dropped it

or whatever dewey mcdonald was one of our best players that year so i couldn't be that pissed off at him i mean i was for sure because we ran it 82 times in practice and he caught it every single time so it's not like i could be but they show they always it's the camera people are so good at just like zooming in on people and they're like oh pat's probably pretty pissed off there's a director like zoom in on mcafee zoom in on mcafee and my face isn't always the best i wear people say they wear their heart on their sleeve i wear my heart on my face you can very much know exactly what i'm thinking on my face and it's it's pretty wild to see.

Bortnoy said he was at that game and he said he'd never been happier when something happened. He said because the whole crowd was just like, what the we look like idiots. We look like complete idiots. Worst play in the history of football, they say. Worst play in the history of football. Now, basically everybody that was

part of that play is gone and here we are talking about it. All because of one little ad lib. There was worse. With the coach, man. Hey, to make you feel better since you were on the field, there were worse. Somebody didn't take a knee and the Eagles returned a touchdown for a win. Dan Orlowski ran out of the end zone. He's on TV now.

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three-time Super Bowl champion. He's on the New England Patriots all 1990s team. He's on the New England Patriots all 2000s team. That's two decades worth of teams he's on. Remember that. He has a football life on the NFL Network coming out that you will need to check out. A man who went into New England and became a leader not only of the team, but of an entire region.

Ladies and gentlemen, one of the most respected men I've ever heard spoken about in NFL history, the monster, Willie McGinnis. What's up, Pat, man? That was a hell of an intro, man. I appreciate it, brother. No problem. I try to get people hyped up just so they understand and recognize how big of a monster you are, man. Everybody that talks about you just talks about the presence, the command of respect that you have.

Not only because of the towering man that you are, but because of how professional you are. Vinatieri speaks nothing but great things about you. The Football Life previews, Tom Brady speaking nothing but great. How is your time in New England? How was that kind of a life-shaping moment for you? Did you go in there as a leader? Did you have to become a leader? What is the Willie McGinnis life story?

Well, I think when you first come in, you learn a lot from a lot of different people. You know, Chris Lay was one of the guys who took me under his wing. Andre Tippett was a great mentor, you know, and a couple other guys on the team. But just putting your head down, going to work, you know, exemplifying the work ethic and doing everything in your power to want to be great and to want to play at a certain level and having high expectations coming in for the fourth pick overall, you knew there was a lot of pressure.

So you didn't want to let people down. You didn't want to be known as one of those guys who didn't fulfill, you know, his draft status. And, you know, personally, I just had a lot of pride, man. And I wanted to work and I wanted to play at a certain level and be recognized and want people to know who I was and have a presence on the football field. Well, I think you definitely did that. You accomplished a job well done, my friend.

I think everybody would say you did that. You're from Long Beach, California, obviously. The NFL locker room is a melting pot of human beings. You got guys like Tom Brady who have kind of a bad body from Michigan in there. You have Adam Vinatieri, basically a country boy from South Dakota. You're from Long Beach. And the NFL locker room is a place that's a melting pot where everybody kind of comes together with very, very, very different backgrounds. How do you think the NFL locker room, uh, compares to

what everyday life should be? If that makes sense. Well, it's a little different, you know, um, it is a melting pot and you do have a lot of people from a lot of different backgrounds. And I think the one common goal in a football locker room or a lot of team locker rooms is to bring a lot of men or women together for one common goal and that's to go out and win play at a certain level and that you know the interesting thing about it when you factor in where everybody's from, your draft status, your contracts, what your role is, position is, whatever the case may be, you deal with a lot of egos. You know this. You've been in a lot of clubs.

You deal with a lot of egos and personalities and things of that nature. And, you know, for a coach or coaching staff and organization to get men, like I said, or women to buy in and put individualism aside and everything is team first, that's tough. You know, that's truly tough and it's truly hard. But, you know, we were able to kind of find that recipe and put it all together, and it still exists in that locker room today. And it's special, man.

You see it all over the league with different teams here and there. We saw it with Seattle when they had their run. We saw it a couple of years ago come together for Atlanta when they started the whole brotherhood thing, and they all believed on one thing. You're starting to see it in Tennessee with Mike Vrabel and his crew of guys and his players. It's special when it comes together because you can start to feel it. You see it with the Rams.

You hear Gurley talk about how competitive they are in their locker room and how they push each other and all the different personalities and superstars there, how they're able to come together on both sides of the ball and the way they're playing. So it makes for a dangerous team, but also it's something special when it happens. Is it more important to have a good locker room or does the coach have to be great? Why is Bill Belichick able to do what he's able to do for so long

and some coaches can't? Why is Vrabel going to, what it seems to be, go in there and just pick up right where, like just go become an elite coach immediately. McVay, same thing over in L.A. Why do some coaches have it and some don't, Willie, in your honest opinion? Well, first of all, you've got to have a great football mind. And I think the one thing that exists in all those you got to have a great football mind and I think

the one thing that exists in all those men is they have a great football IQ they have a great football mind in Brable's case you know he's learned from a lot of different coaches and systems that he's been a part of this is something he wanted to do while he was playing football. Well, we used to talk about it in the meeting rooms while we were getting ready for games and things of that sort. So he's always had the passion and wanted to be a coach. Belichick, man, he eats, sleeps. I mean, he's just his mind, his football mind,

and he's also smart outside of football. But when you put everything together and what he's done and how he assembles teams and being three steps ahead of everybody in game planning, preparation, evaluating players, putting it all together, and being able to coach every position on the football field and go on the other side of the ball opposite where everybody thought he was great at, just defense and offensively game plan and help the offensive side break down defenses. I've never seen anything like it.

His work ethic, his ability to foresee things and and put you in positions and tell you hey these things are going to show up and magically they show up during a football game um is is i mean it it's incredible and then sean mcveigh man i've had times and spoke with him and talked with him plenty of times he's so passionate his energy, his play design, his creativity, his memory. I think a lot of people starting to, you know, starting to see how smart he is and the way he can remember and assemble and put things together. And when you have a talented group of men,

it's a challenge sometimes to put guys in fine roles for everybody and put them in position to succeed and understand their strengths and weaknesses. And these coaches all have the innate ability to do that. And I'm just excited to see where, you know, where do you see where Sean McVay is going, where do you know about Bill Belichick? He's a legend.

First ballot Hall of Famer in Brable is just getting started. So those three coaches are kind of on the same page in a lot of different ways, but very exciting to watch and watch their teams. All right. I can't wait to watch a football life, Willie McGinnis, Friday, 8 p.m. American Standard Time on the NFL Network. You were from Long Beach, obviously. You went to Polytech.

Then you went to USC. How hard was it to be a college stud in your hometown you know it was fun man it was always a dream of mine to be a trojan because they were not just a football team they were family and you never leave the university once you go you're always a trojan and you know what was special about it is it gave me the opportunity for my parents um we couldn't afford college and all that stuff we definitely couldn't afford usc um but me getting a scholarship and and being so close gave my parents and family an opportunity to come watch me play um and be close and for me to get a great education and also be you know on the highest level when it comes to football. So it was special.

I'm still a part of the university. I'm an ambassador of the football program. And like I said, they're family. And it was great for me to be a kid from Long Beach to be able to go up and play for one of the, you know, for a childhood, you know, dream of an institution like USC and still be a part of that, man. So I'm lucky. I'm blessed, man. I say it every day.

Was there another school you had in mind? Obviously you wanted USC, but was there another one that was, like, in the decision? Yeah. You know, I went to Colorado. I went to – I visited UCLA, and I went – you know, I canceled my trip to a lot of schools. I canceled my trip to Notre Dame and Miami.

I was just kind of over the recruiting process. I knew where I wanted to go, so I was kind of over it. But there was a little pullback because I went to visit Colorado, and my dad really liked Colorado, so there were some conversations there. But, you know, I had to make an executive decision to make sure to let us know I was going to USC. You're the fourth pick of the draft. I should have known that, by the way, before you said it there.

That's something I should have looked into as a host of a show. That's on me. What was your first purchase? Fourth pick of the draft. That had to be a pretty good day. What was the first purchase? What was the first thought? Like, okay, we finally got cake.

What are we going to get now uh it actually wasn't for me pat it was for my mom it was a toyota camry the first thing i bought those were the hot cars back then that's something she wanted so i bought mom's a toyota camry oh that's beautiful you get up to new england have you had you ever been to that part of the country before what was it like transitioning from being a cali boy to now living in the new england area which is vastly different i'd assume it's totally a culture shock and no i had not ever been in the region um didn't know anything about new england i would you know when i got drafted i was like where the hell is new england Where am I playing at? Is it anywhere near

Old England? Yeah, I thought I would have to play out of the country. I'm naive, young. I didn't know what was going on, but it was great. I fit right in. I fit right into the cold weather, the season's changing, all the different nuances that goes along with the East

Coast. I like to say that I'm a chameleon when it comes to that, man. I had no issues. The people, the fan base here were great. A little different. They talk a little bit different. The numbers are a little bit off, you know. You know, so like I said, the culture is totally different.

It's a historic city that I lived in in Boston, in Marina Bay. So it was great. But guess what, man? It was a rich tradition of great sports teams that some I used to watch with the Celtics and Lakers being from Long Beach and LA area. And, you know, the Red Sox and, of course, you know, the Patriots. We started to build, you know, build our thing up. And then also the hockey team, you know.

So there was a lot of tradition and rich history of sports in the New England area that I just was able to witness win championships and be a part of that and watch it and be a fan. So, Willie, you talk about all that greatness in New England and you guys, all you did was win while you were in New England. What was it like going to Cleveland to end your career? What was that like going from New England to Cleveland? It was difficult, man, only because I was used to winning so much and playing it.

And Romeo Cornell was the head coach. That was a big reason why I went there. He was trying. He was trying his damnedest to implement the culture and the history, the winning and all the different things to Cleveland. And we just couldn't get enough guys to buy in. And that's powerful. If you do, you'll be successful in your win.

If you don't, you won't win many games. We did go 10-6. I will say the fan base there, the fans, they're electric, man. They're wonderful. There's not, you know, outside of New England and a couple other places, a more dedicated fan base that I've ever been a part of. They're very supportive. They're hungry for a winner.

I did enjoy living there, man. I lived in Strongsville and I lived in the suburbs versus when I was in New England. I kind of lived towards the city, but I lived in the suburbs. The people were nice. They treated me like royalty, man. It's a beautiful place to play football, especially if you're winning, man.

This team, you know, I'm talking about this team coming up, and I know this is not what you asked me, but they've got a lot of pieces. And I believe in John Dorsey and Alonzo Highsmith and Hugh Jackson. They're going to get this thing together. And once they do, man, it's going to be a fun city and a fun team to watch. There was a part on Hard Knocks where you were doing a hit in Cleveland and you basically showed Myles Garrett like three different moves real quick.

Fast forward to the next game, Myles Garrett gets like seven sacks. Who are some of the – now obviously J.J. Watt's an animal, and J.J. Watt's little brother T.J. Watt is making plays. Miles Garrett – I'm taking the credit for all those sacks that Miles Garrett did. You know that, right? I'm taking all the credit for every single sack that he ever did. You should, and it's documented too.

It's on HBO. It's documented. Who are some of the young guys that kind of excite you at the outside linebacker position? Well, of course I like Von Miller. He's not young, but he's definitely consistent, and he's one of the greatest to ever do it. Definitely reminds me of Derek Thomas,

a guy who was one of my mentors who I looked up to coming into the league. I do like Clowney. I think now that he's in shape and he's healthy, he's a force to reckon with. You mentioned him. Miles Garrett is definitely one of those guys. Younger guys that are in the league now, I like Yannick Ngakwe. I think he's a beast.

Wake. I like all the great pass rushers, man. Also, I like the guys that not only are pass rushers, that can play the run, you know, that have strong hands, that can play the run. Derek Barnett, I like him. He's a young kid, defensive end, that plays the position well. I like a lot of guys, man. I'm a big fan of all these guys.

Khalil Mack, of course. Talking about a monster. You introduced me as a monster. He's a monster of the midway right now. That uniform, that whole Chicago Bear mantra, all that stuff fits him perfectly. He's been destroying teams, and I still don't understand why he's not in the Raider uniform,

but I'm going to leave that alone. They're looking for a pass rusher, man. The Raiders are looking for a pass rusher. It's hard to find, says Gruden, man. It's hard to find, man. Yeah, I mean, you know, he's – I don't get it. And then also Demarcus Lawrence, man. He's another guy I got to mention that, you know, I'm cool with him.

We're friendly with each other, man. And every time I see him, we talk ball. And he's definitely one of the best, too. I mean, I got a list of them. But I just, hey, man, I'm lucky I get to work for the NFL Network. I get to talk about these guys on a daily basis. And offenses and quarterbacks and all the other things. You know, I'm just not pigeonholed to defense. So, for me, it's great, man.

It's a fun ride. And we've had you on the show we'd love for you to come on the show more often you're great on tv you're great personality you gotta you gotta come and hang out man like you you do a great job and and the time you came on we had a great time willie when i saw you the first time I saw you in the NFL Network studio over there, I literally accidentally turned to my right and you were walking down the hallway and you blocked the entire fucking light from the hallway from how large. You were walking away and I literally looked at you and I said, who the, what is that?

And they were like, Willie McGinnis. I was like, holy shit. He, you, you're what, 6'5"? You look like you could still play right now if you had. It was one of the most insane. And they say all men are created equal. That's complete bullshit. You're a monster, Willie.

I appreciate you so much, man. I appreciate you so much. Hey, Willie, I have a question for you. You obviously have this competitive animal that's very hungry inside you that drove you to the success you achieved. How do you feed that animal now? Oh, man, sometimes you've got to put that animal to sleep. You get overbearing, man.

I sit and I watch these guys, and I kind of play vicariously through a lot of these guys now. Like I said, I get to stay close to the game and talk about it without hitting anybody or taking any hits, which is special. But I find myself doing other things in business or, you know, working with the youth or working with kids in high school. I'm really big on giving back and feeding these kids the knowledge and trying to give them hope

wherever their background is or where they come from or their circumstances that no matter where you're from or what you're going through, if you just stay the course and understand it's a process, you have an opportunity, not just in sports, but to do anything that you can dream or hope to do. So I think I feed it that way. My wife always gets on my ass because I'm never around. I'm so busy and then go off to work and kids and football.

And my daughters are playing volleyball now. So I'm the obnoxious dad out there yelling volleyball chants with the other dad with my volleyball shirt on. So I stay busy, man. I stay busy, man. I stay busy, man. I get the energy out a lot of different ways, man. Trust me. Football Life Friday, 8 o'clock.

I can't wait to watch and learn more. Thank you so much for all you did for the game. I hate what you did for the Patriots, but no, that's neither here nor there. And thank you so much for joining us, brother. I appreciate you. Hey, man, no problem. And thank you so much for joining us, brother. I appreciate you. Hey, man, no problem.

And Pat, I just, real quick, the Patriots are playing your Colts tonight, Thursday night football. Who are you taking? Do you have a favorite pick? I like the Colts with 17. Is it going to be a pick with your head or your heart? I like the Colts plus 17, Willie. I like the Colts plus...

You think the Patriots team, Josh Gordon, Julian Edelman, you think that team's going to get right back on track in another ride? Are we going to have to watch you Patriots folks just ride to the top again? I think so. I think it'll take a few weeks, man. Josh Gordon, Edelman is definitely further along ahead than Josh Gordon. He's got a few weeks, and I think that was a long-term decision. You know, week eight, week nine, once he gets acclimated to the system,

the playbook, Brady, the adjustments Brady makes in games, them making a push for the playoffs, they may be on the road. Who knows? You're going to need some firepower, and I think that was something that, you know, if he has everything in place and he's settled in, man, that offense is going to be pretty tough to deal with. I thought this was it, by the way.

I thought this was it. I did too. Did you? I just can't let you go, Pat. It's just too hard, man. You're too fun. Can't just let you off the air like that. No, I'm talking about the Patriots.

I thought this was it for the Patriots. I thought the dynasty had come to an end. Oh, hell no. Belichick was at the Minnesota Timberwolves game. Every time you guys try to kick them out, every time you guys try to kick them out, man, they just come back stronger for whatever reason. I think they feed off of that.

So people should stop saying the Patriots are done and start saying the Patriots are great. They're going to go all the way, and maybe they'll go opposite. But whenever they say they're done and they're terrible and this is the end of the era, what do they do? They put it together, and they find a way to sneak back into the Super Bowl. Well, I speak for the majority here. If you can tell Tom Brady, we can't wait to watch him go undefeated

for the rest of the year, and they're so damn good. Ladies and gentlemen, absolute legend in the NFL, Willie McGinnis. Thank you so much, Willie. My pleasure. Thanks, guys. Cheers, man. Cheers, brother. Thanks, Pat. Keep up the good work, man. I appreciate you. I'll be in LA this weekend, actually.

Well, come by the studio, man. I mean, you gotta get on air more, man. You gotta come up there. You do a great job, man. I appreciate that. I just signed with an agent, so it might possibly happen. We'll see what happens. Hey, man. You got to come up there. You do a great job, man. I appreciate that. I just signed with an agent, so it might possibly happen. We'll see what happens. Hey, man. Give them a call. I know they're pretty high on you, so that's easy money, man, for you.

Come get some of that money a couple days a week. That's such a good idea. Thank you. I appreciate you, man. I'll see you this weekend, hopefully. All right, brother. I'm flying LA today at 340. 340? Today?

Yeah, 340 today. I'm excited to go out there, man. It'll be a good time. Sunday will be awesome for you. What's on the agenda? So tomorrow, Jim Rome. We'll be on the Jim Rome show. The jungle.

And then I'm going to lunch with him. Really? I guess me and Jim Rome are going to lunch. What I've been told, though, is his studio from everybody else is like seven hours away. So like the CIA guys are like, hey, just a little heads up. We're going to send you a car. Have some stuff to do because it's like an hour and a half, two hour drive each way. And I'm like, where the fuck is he?

They're like, you got to remember traffic. Rose around a long time. And I'm like, yeah, a long time. And he's got a monster following too. Oh, yeah. And I guess I've been, I don't want to say a fan, but from afar I've been a respect. I've respected Jim Rohn.

Yeah, he's good. He is. And I think his fans are a loyal bunch. They are. And he like shits on them all the time, like goes at them big time and they still come back. Mark Madden style. Yeah.

He's not quite that extreme, but he still really riles him up. I'm real excited to go meet him though. I'm real excited to go meet him. I'll be on the show and then we're getting lunch together afterwards because I don't know what the plan is, but I'm excited to kind of... Honestly, I think he wants to offer me some

advice on the whole world, which is really, really cool of him to do. Does he play a character? I've never seen him. Does he play a character? No, he's himself. I have no idea. Have you seen Jim Rohn?

Probably, yeah. What do you mean? Everybody and their mom has a Jim Rohn impression. I can do his voice for you if you want. What is it? I'll close my eyes. Hilarious. Shut up, clones.

Dark hair. Yep. Goatee. I know him now. Have you said anything to them? I was just saying something to Evan about if you could, getting on Bill Simmons' pod, because I feel like his audience would be a big thing.

Is he in L.A.? Yeah, the Ringer offices are in L.A. Yeah, I think the Ringer crowd would be one that would really invest and want to buy your documentary. Yeah, so Bill Simmons has built just like four monsters, right? He's like the Elon Musk of medias. Yeah. That's what it is?

Because Elon Musk, right, builds a company, billionaire, goes down. Because Elon Musk builds a company, billionaire, goes down to zero. Builds a company, billionaire, goes down to zero. That's kind of the Elon Musk. Bill Simmons has done the same thing, right? Yeah, he started Page Two, which was just kind of like, I don't want to say barstool, but like funny writing and stuff like that that wasn't on the ESPN homepage. And then he started Grantland, which was like a huge media kind of empire type thing. That folded when he left ESPN,

and then he started Ringer right after that. I would like to, because I guess LA is so big, and I was originally supposed to stay on Hermosa Beach on the Strand, which is where I plan on retiring at some point if I ever get enough money. Those houses are like $30 million, and no punning money was ever going to get there. I would say the Hermosa Beach Strand is probably the the reason why i ended up retiring just for future reference or

the house down in naples florida that i saw punter money was never going to get it and it was what i was looking for but so that i was supposed to get that airbnb lady who says that she's not a scam was a scam scam so now we're staying at a hotel in Santa Monica. I guess we're right by the pier. I've never done the Santa Monica Pier, really. And I've heard it's awesome. That's where Whitey Bulger was caught. Maybe go to Muscle Beach and do some things. They got sea lions there?

Whitey Bulger was caught at Santa Monica? If I remember correctly, yes. Is that the pier that fucking Vinny jumps off of in Aquaman and Entourage? Yes. It's going to be hard not to do that. Got a hole in my e Yes. Oh, it's going to be hard not to do that. Got a hole in my eardrum, but it's going to be hard not to be like, Sam, record this real quick.

Are you going to go ahead and talk to everything? Sam, yeah, from behind me. Go ahead and record. What do you want to say to Monica? Oh, man. Yeah, so we're staying there. But I guess that's near. So I'm going on Rich Eisen Show on Monday.

So I'll be at Rich Eisen Studio on Monday. And then on Sunday, I think I'm going to be at Fox all day, which is going to be pretty cool very cool are they going to give you your TVs to do your videos? I'm very worried though because this is like a very huge opportunity to go shake the hands of the Fox people but I'm like man Sunday's a pretty big day for me

I get a couple million views on these brand videos and I'm like what am I going to do right in front of Terry Bradshaw Terry if you could please keep it down for a second I know this is probably I'm like, what am I going to do? Right in front of Terry Bradshaw. I'll be like, Terry, if you could please keep it down for a second. Yeah, I think that's exactly what needs to happen. I know this is probably your kind of thing, but I kind of got a thing, too. So if you guys could all just, can you rewind that, too, please?

TV one, if you could please rewind that. You get Terry in the background hooting and hollering. I think it's a big hit. You butter up Terry a little bit. Tom, your dad was a huge fan. He was a yinzer. He grew up in wherever, fucking Carrick. You butter up Terry a little bit. Tom, your dad was a huge fan. He was a yinzer. He grew up in wherever.

Fucking Carrick. Forstel. Forstel. Carrick. Same thing. I mean, it's close. I am excited to get in there, though. That'll be a very, very cool thing.

It's day one, by the way, of the pre-order for the documentary. It's going to be, I don't know what to do. Wait, what documentary? This is probably going to be the end of the show, so people have heard about it. Okay. I didn't know that. There was no pre-show meeting for what to do. Wait, what documentary? This is probably going to be the end of the show, so people have heard about it. Okay. I didn't know that. There was no pre-show meeting for me to know.

We don't have pre-show meeting. This will all probably get placed after Schefter, if I had to guess. This whole conversation, starting with the bull spoiler, will come after the Schefter interview. Or do we go Schefter first or Willie McGinnis? Who do you think we do? Which one's longer?

Probably Schaefter. I think Schefter will be longer McGinnis? Who do you think we do? Which one's longer? Probably put them both after. I think Schefter will be longer. I like putting the longer ones second. Yeah, both after hockey talk probably. Let's do hockey talk right now. We'll do hockey talk right now. Hockey talk will be at the end of the show. Okay, cool.

Good time. Hockey started. Hockey started. That's hockey talk. Capitals blew the doors off the Bruins. Brad Marchand dummied a guy. Tom Wilson suspended 20 games. Quarter of the season.

That's awesome, by the way. It's a big hit. A.Q. Shipley, very happy. A.Q. Shipley called me yesterday midday, honestly, just to tell me that Tom Wilson's been suspended 20 games and it's about time is what he said. It was hilarious. By missing those 20 games, he will not get a paycheck this season.

What? He signed an extension, so he got a $5 million signing bonus for his contract, but that's the only money he's getting this season. The suspension equals the amount of money he was paid from his last contract, so he's not going to get a paycheck for the entire season. Really? Playing for free like Chris Long? Pretty much.

Good guy. What's the NHL do with their money when they suspend the guys? Because the NFL says that they donate it, but who knows if that's true. Nobody knows if that's true. They donate to Roger's pocket. Yeah, right into Roger Goodell's fucking suit collection. It goes in some fund. I forget what the purpose is, but it definitely goes somewhere. I would love for somebody who's been suspended a bunch,

like James Harrison would be the perfect guy because he's been suspended hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars to do a lawsuit to the NFL for them to check their books for where all the suspension money has gone. And then that would be a federal audit would have to come in. Then a settlement would happen. Then something would happen. That would be a wild seed.

James Harrison's the only guy to do it, too, because I don't think he's scared to go to war. You know what I mean? You would have to go to war with the NFL. But it's crazy because that's every time like i got suspended by the colts to the tune of a lot of money like 75 grand or something like that over my entire career it's where where's you guys just pull that out of my where's it go where is it and then i watch jim ursae buy a 250 000 i'm like is that for my fucking wait a minute i have a question jim i like

you a lot but is that directly out of the thing you just pulled that from my fucking... Wait a minute. I have a question. Jim, I like you a lot, but is that directly out of the thing you just pulled out of my fucking pocket right there? It's an interesting situation. In the NHL, it's a Player's Emergency Assistance Fund, whatever that means. Oh, I got you. So we, whenever the lockout was about to happen,

much different than a strike, by the way. Yep. For those of you that don't understand, strike is the worker saying no, lockout is the owner saying no. You can't come to work. So there's two different looks at this. The NFL was a lockout for five years

or four years before the lockout was about to happen. The NFLPA was saving up for a chest, a war chest is what they called it, to pay for themselves, basically, lawyers. Like, well, we're going to have to pay lawyers. I'm like, well, aren't y'all motherfucking lawyers? Like, is your salary not enough? What do you mean we got to pay for lawyers? And they're like, well, it's going to pay lawyers i'm like well aren't y'all motherfucking lawyers like is your salary not enough what do you mean we gotta pay for lawyers and they're like well it's gonna be blah blah blah so they were pulling money out of people's paychecks to go into the

war chest and it ended up being up over it was like 100 million dollars i think in this war chest yes it was something absurd and i have no idea where that money went i still have no idea where that money went and i think i'm really the only person that's ever been like to the nflpa like yo where's all our money like what are you guys doing with all our money i don't know like well you gotta save it up for the next lockout which is happening in 2020 possibly when uh the next cba's up it's like then when it's not what happens with that one do you dump that back into my is that coming back into my pocket if we don't use it i don't fully comprehend this would be an interesting investigation if somebody opened it up. Just follow that money, at least from the fines.

You know what I mean? I don't know about you guys. Yeah, yeah, Grigson had a Bentley and he named it Pat Maggots. I imagine a real treasure chest with $100 million. A war chest sounds pretty cool. It's a war chest. It's actually called a war chest. It was a part of their presentation.

It even popped up on the screen. They're like, we're going to build up this war chest so that we can pay for whenever we go to battle with the NFL. I'm like, well, there's our first issue is calling a business negotiation a battle. Let's just get it in. We're walking into something we shouldn't be walking into there. Let's maybe change the way we look at this. Hey, we're walking into a business negotiation instead of saying we're walking into battle with a war chest. It's like, oh, so we're never going to get a deal done. Well, now, in fairness,

you can't call it a war chest unless you call it a battle, which is pretty cool. Pretty good point. But it would be interesting to watch where that money goes. It would be. We should get one here. A war chest? Yeah. All right, we'll take it out of everybody's salaries. We'll do it exactly how the NFL does. NFL PO. Good idea, Nick.

Good idea. I'm a company guy. 15-20% of everybody's salary. No big deal. Or you institute some rules and we get fined. I don't like either of those ideas. Listen, I like a good fine. At the least, if it's not a war chest, at the least it should be a

slush fund. Can we have a war briefcase? I have a briefcase ready to go. I think our funds would only fit in a briefcase. Maybe a fanny pack. I don't know if we'd have a chest. We'd just start with petty cash. Why do I have to jump to a fucking war fund immediately? So Chuck Pagano had an interesting, if you were late,

you were fined a certain amount of money once. If you were late twice, three times, he had a certain thing, and that all went into a fund of some sort, and it went into Christmas tips around the building, which is a pretty cool thing. That's a really cool idea. But when the teams find you, I wonder what happens. Chuck asked me to coach in the NFL PA Bowl.

Really? I guess he's coaching. It's out in Los Angeles. That'd be fun. Yeah, he asked if I would coach special teams. I think it would be very cool. That's college kids? Yeah. None asked if I would coach special teams. I think it would be very cool. That's college kids? Yeah.

None of them make it to the NFL. The NFL PA Bowl is another waste of fucking money that the NFL PA does. Now, granted, maybe these kids will with my guidance. We'll get them into the NFL maybe. We never know. But that was something that the NFL PA put together with, I think, the war chest money that was left over where they just need to spend the money. And I was just flipping through the TV, and I saw this NFL PA pa bowl one and i saw about 25 people in the stands watching it and i saw zero players that

are going to make the nfl in it and i'm like what the why are we spending money well there's a potential opportunity to make a lot of money with the tv rights and blah blah blah i'm like well let me know when that happens let me know when i and i never did probably some kind of write-off but but they take our money and then put it into this shit. It's like, just give me my money back. You know what I mean? But that's not the way, I guess, a union works. I'm a very anti-union NFLPA guy.

A very anti-NFLPA guy. Didn't even sign with it my last couple years. Didn't even sign in. Was one of the only players that was like, I'm not supporting this bullshit. And they still took my money, obviously. Because it just comes right out of your fucking paycheck anyways. But I felt like I took a real stand doing that. And if I go coaching that NFLPA ball, I'd be kind of, oh, god damn it.

I'd be giving back to the game, though. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If you see the way things are running and you don't agree with it, then. Well, it's because they show up. Every NFLPA meeting is at the end of a fucking 14-hour day. We have your Madden checks. Here's $10,000. As soon as have your madden checks here's 10 grand as soon as this meeting's over here's 10 grand from madden dangle the carrot oh yeah and then everybody's

just like okay we're getting them madden checks today you know that's going right to the dice game here like 25 minutes or whatever and then we watch a presentation about how in the 1930s guys were uh basically playing with rats and had to clean the stadium. And then the union came in, saved the day, got them the contracts that they got, which I appreciate. I think there's a time and place for everything. But nowadays, now we got dummies running and making decisions. And I'm like, I got a question. So at the beginning, when I first started asking questions, it was a big sigh and moan from the crowd.

Because it's like, does anybody have any questions? As soon as there's no questions you're that guy yes exactly so the first early in my career like years four and five i was good at this point so i i could speak if i wanted to but i asked a question and i get like a sigh from around the room and then the question i asked though a lot of the older guys were like no no no yeah let's let's hear that answer and i'm like thank you. So then it became like something like, okay, they're coming in. This is McAfee's. This is going to be a time.

And then I stopped going to the meetings. I was like, I'm not even going to go anymore because it's just you never get an answer. They talk around it. I was very anti-the-ball. I suspect a lot of guys like the Madden thing were probably like, oh, you're going to put us in the video game? All right, cool. Like just the novelty of being in a game. Well, because you look at the check you're receiving, which is monstrous. You look at the game check you're getting each week. You look at that.

You look at the insurance you're getting. It's good. You look at your 401k. It's good. But that's from the NFL, not from the PA. You start looking at everything. You're like, oh, life is really good. So there's no reason to ruffle any feathers.

But then whenever you start like peeling back the curtain a little bit after you're in the league for a little bit longer you're like wait yeah things are good but there's a lot of people living a great life off of us being good and then questions start happening and then there's never any answers there's never any answer there's a guy in a suit up front who's smarter than you in his head writing on i had this i had one of the nflpa guys had a dry erase board who was just drawing circles on it about where the money goes to me, and that was his answer, and they put a period, and they put the marker down. It was like a mic drop situation, and I wanted to be like,

yo, that made no sense. But I didn't. I was just like, oh, okay. Oh, okay, that makes sense. I'm not coming back to one of these meetings. I stopped going to meetings, too. The union meetings? No, we had

a friday morning meeting every friday it was basically just to highlight everything that everyone did during the week during for the company you're a dumb and after i was there for like three years or whatever i was like fuck this like these are the dumbest things ever i'm just gonna sit at my desk and be on the internet it's basically everybody just patting themselves on their back yeah and then they realized i wasn't in there and uh that was a bad day can somebody go get digs out of his fucking cube? He's the only one that isn't here. We had a similar thing.

They were called all hands meeting, where everyone in the building had to be there. I just started making up things and meeting with doctors and stuff during that time. My boss's boss is like, you think you're better than everyone else in this company? You don't have to go to these meetings. I was like, we sit there and clap for each other for fucking 45 minutes. It's the dumbest shit in the world. So all these meetings are just pat on the back fest? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, huge. Do you guys have that at State Police? Oh, yeah, all the time. Yeah, you have to go meet, and some member of the superintendent's staff will sit there and talk about how yellow jackets, having yellow on the back of your jackets, all this shit, and you're like,

I really don't give a fuck. I just go out and catch bad guys, dude. I don't care about your fucking ass. And the people who have been there for less than 12 months are super fucking exciting, and you're going to shoot them looks every fucking time. Just shut the fuck up. I can't wait for us to start doing this.

I'm going to make everybody sit down. We're going to have big music, smoke. I'm going to come in. This week, Zito did this. Zito had 30,000 views this week. Zito! Good job. I'm so pumped for this. Next week, the goal is 31. No, because Zito had 30,000 views this week. Zito! Next week the goal is 31. Oh, Zito!

That's like, well, whenever we were at Barstool, they would send that weekend email. And that's what it was. It was like a big... It's that, but a meeting. Which was very nice to put into words what everybody did. But our particular thing, nobody would read ours.

And nobody would read that thing anyways. Foxy said that Todd wrestled an alligator this week. No one batted an eye. No one said a goddamn thing. What do we say? Dave Chappelle came into the office, but we couldn't put it up because his special wasn't there yet. Arnold Schwarzenegger did something.

We put like an entire thing. We sent it over to New York Copy paste Copy paste Put it in there Didn't read it Just put it in there We're the worst

I understand why people hate me now As a kid Because I'm writing a book a little bit Oh I'm writing a book yeah With your hands or On my phone In the notes section

And it's not like The word for word But it's just like Stories that I think Have shaped me Into the human that i am and every single time i write a new thing down i'm like what a fucking prick like what an asshole and it's always for the good of the people everything i feel like the people but it's always the people that would be like if i was my boss in a lot of situations or my college coach or my, even whenever I was playing beadling cup soccer coach or even my high school, I mean my high school teachers or I,

I would hate me too, but I feel like I was on the right side of things a lot of the time. And I assume there's a lot of kids that were a lot like me. I just so happened to hit a higher percentage of being right than those kids. So it's a, it's a tough, that's a tough thing. But as I'm writing these situations,

I'm like, Oh, Oh, I'd probably fucking punch me in the face if i was that boy oh i would do that because i i feel like my thing is i can sniff bullshit pretty quick yeah i feel like that's something i have and i think it's from my my mom's my mom and i have both have pretty big sniffers and i think we can sniff the bullshit with the quickness. And also, my mom reads world'sworstnews.com, so she's the eternal pessimist, basically, at all times. I've been taught that my entire life.

I'm a big fan of Sal. Yeah, Sal. You and Sal are right in the same vein. We get along. Sal reads... I'll say it. I'm going to L.A., by the way. I'm going to L.A., you know?

And my mom sends me a text this morning about some mass killing that's going to happen in L.A. within the next two months that she's been... See, that's worse than me. No, like about some mass killing that's going to happen in L.A. within the next two months that she's been there. See, that's worse than me. No, like a virus or something. You know, the smog over there is causing a virus that could potentially kill people in the next year or so. Yeah, it was on some website that she accidentally clicked on. The only worry you have is if you feel any rumble, start spreading inland.

Because at any day, California could be in the ocean. Well, I'm going to be in Santa Monica, too. That's all the way out there. That's the furthest out there, I think. Maybe I'll be all the way on the pier when that happens. So I'm the furthest west guy. That'll be a good little... First to go. I'm the first one to go off. I was the first one

to break free from America. I am the Christopher Columbus of this new world. When we broke off, I was the furthest west. That would be hilarious. Absolutely hysterical. But yeah, I'm writing a book, a little book thing. That'd be fun if you released it just like an e-book,

but it's like all notes, like the notes section. You have to flip through it. Yeah. The thing I want to do- It'd be like a Twitter account. We get to buy this. The thing I want to do is I want the first book I read to be my book and it's the what's that called the audio book of my book to be yeah i was gonna say let's be honest would you actually read your book but if you're doing the audio i would have to i'd

be forced to so that would be a thing and i think i would lead off with by the way what you're listening to is the first time in my life i've ever read a book. So let's do this. I was born on... It would be funny if you corrected yourself in the voiceover as well. Like, that didn't happen. Who wrote this? I don't remember that happening. That ain't right.

Oh, fuck. Life is stupid, though. So Fox all day, Sunday. That's pretty cool. Then Rich Eisen on Monday. Then Red Eye Monday night into here, 7 a.m. Tuesday morning. We'll record podcast Tuesday morning.

And then the new day is coming into the office from WWE because WWE is in town. So that's my schedule here the next couple of days. Nice little weekend. I guess. I'm going into the CAA building, by the way, on Friday. I bet you're excited. Saturday you can enjoy the sights. Yeah, Saturday is an off day.

Shabbat, by the way. My agent is practicing Shabbat. I don't know if you know what that is. He's an Orthodox Jewish man. Saturday, you can enjoy the sights. Yeah, Saturday is an off day. Shabbat, by the way. My agent is practicing Shabbat. I don't know if you know what that is. He's an Orthodox Jewish man. Yeah, I watch Entourage. So on Saturday, he can't have his phone. So much Shabbos. Yes.

Yeah. Ari had his phone, though. You can't roll on Sunday. Yeah, but I don't think Ari was... Mrs. Ari wasn't happy. Yeah, remember they had to go to all types of meetings because of it. And that was... My guy hasn't decided to say fuck his religion yet.

I think that'll happen at some point, I assume. But he's like, yeah, Shabbat, bro. Shabbat, Shabbat, Shabbat, Shabbat. Anyways, hopefully all this will work out. Trying to host a game show at some point. Trying to be on the TV, talk about the football at some point. It's going to happen. I think so.

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That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he meant good heat. Heat, good heat. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's going to be interesting. I think it'll be fun. I think people are underestimating what we can do. I heard Pat's going to give us a company card for the day.

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Someone from Bull was singing an anthem last night. He was in jury. He was in a jury. What? Yeah, yeah. He was in a jury last night. It was brilliant. Good idea. How does that happen? It was a good idea. It was a really good idea. Did he sway the jury?

Actually, I'll watch it. I'll watch it. I'll watch it. Because if you're in a jury, now Sam said this because she was once in a jury. Could he have not just said, because he was in for jury duty. I don't want to give away. This probably won't even be on the podcast anyways. He was called for jury duty at the same time he was supposed to represent a lady who was

up for murder in the courtroom below him. So he was trying to get out of jury duty so that he could get into the thing. And he basically told the judge. And the jury that he was a part of was about a guy who was practicing law whose law degree or bar was expired or something like that. And he won a case against a prosecutor. And the prosecutor is now filing a charge against practicing law without a bar or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And he was in the jury for that case.

And that's what he does, basically. So he practices law without a bar, basically. That's why he always has to sit second chair. Yes, because he's not an actual lawyer. He's a trial scientist, right? So he should have immediately been. That's what I thought. Because couldn't he have just told the judge,

I am biased. I am definitely going to vote for this guy but couldn't have done that yeah for sure yeah he didn't do that no because he wanted to stay on the jury no but he needed to get off the jury like the story the story was yeah exactly there was it was bad writing i thought in my head i was like this is bad writing yeah because he could just say i am gonna vote this guy innocent no matter what what. It's like the same thing. Yeah. And in the middle of court, by the way, he asked the witness a question from jury. Judge, I know that the jurors are allowed to ask a question.

And she was like, yep, you're right. Go ahead. And he put this fucking guy in a blender. And then the guy answered. He's like, no further questions. And then the other lawyer was like, ah, the case rests or the defense rests or whatever. Yeah.

So he basically won the trial from the juror thing. And then he goes downstairs, saves the day. It's Chunk Palmer. Black guy? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's the stylist of Bull. So he gets the witnesses ready to look professional.

He sang the national anthem for the Yankees game last night. He played for the Georgia Bulldogs in Bull. He was a former running back. He was also George Washington in Hamilton. Really? Yeah, I'm looking him up here. Not my George Washington. He wasn't my George Washington.

He was a George Washington. A bald one. So many George Washingtons. My Alexander Burr, sir, was the guy who hated John Legend, too. He's just a bad guy in everything I know him as. He's talented. Those Broadway people are so talented. I don't know how they don't get... Do get paid well yeah is that dumb question if you're on

broadway do they really yeah especially like the lead it's like eight shows a week though yeah and there's there's they just run and sweat yeah it's basically like being in the wwe i mean you have that kind of schedule yeah just no traveling it's just right there i don't know how they do it because they can all sing better than most motherfuckers that are out. They can all dance better than most motherfuckers that are out, but they're confined to a four block radius in New York City. I don't really get it. I don't understand it.

I don't understand it. I'm like, why don't you all just go on The Voice? You know, there's eight days a week that can all stop. You just go on The Voice right over there. Hashtag endgang, hashtag end gang hashtag end game go ahead and think about what i look like while looking at that godzilla of a character willie mcginnis walking down the nfo network hallway the first time i saw it was like i think it was like

5 a.m maybe it was a morning morning shows it was like 5 a.m over there and i just kind of walked in bright eye bushy tail my first time ever in a TV studio. I open a door, and the hallway is just one long hallway, like you see in movies. And he's just at the other end, just blocking the light from the other side. I'm like, who is that? Oh, that's Willie McGinnis. I'm like, oh, my fucking God.

I had no idea that. I didn't know that it could be built like that. I've been in the NFL a long time. I didn't know there was humans built like that. Because he's like an hourglass, too. So it's not like. He literally looks like a superhero, like that. I've been in the NFL a long time. I didn't know there was humans built like that. Because he's like an hourglass, too. So it's not like, he literally looks like a superhero, like that Incredibles guy. You know, that incredible.

Yeah, because he has a jacket on when he's on TV, I think. He was without a jacket, and he was tucked in. So he looks exactly like it. It was like, what the fuck have I done wrong? Hashtag what I acted like there. Hashtag end game. Hashtag end game for that. Also, get in on the hashtag PMPBP.

What was it again? I forget. It was something. Listen to the last episode. I don't know. I forget what it was. Remember? It was something.

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Hope you have an incredible weekend. I'm heading to L.A. in like an hour. Yeah, Los Angeles. We appreciate you so much for with us on this beautiful Thursday. Hope you have an incredible weekend. I'm heading to LA in like an hour. Yeah, Los Angeles. No big deal. How about William McGinnis, by the way? Just give me a little stroke there in the middle of that interview. We also need to just go to the first 30 seconds of every

interview and clip together everyone saying, that's a hell of an introduction. That's the best introduction. And just roll together like 50 of them. Is that what we call a sizzle reel? I don't know. That's Foxy.an's supposed to be doing what's foxy supposed to do anyways have a great thursday tweet us fucks with us we'll see you soon have a great weekend