The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 031 - A Huge Giveaway, A Future HOFer, & Life Talk

Episode Date: December 18, 2018

On today's show, Pat and the guys get a surprise call from AQ Shipley and they chat about the Cardinals' past game, his nightmare flight from New York to Phoenix with his baby and him trying to get her to stop crying, and if he has any questions for Joe Thomas (12:02-19:32). Next, future Hall of Famer, former Browns legend, and the first offensive lineman in NFL history, Joe Thomas, joins the show. They discuss his thoughts on the Browns this season, staying in shape around the holidays, how much he's enjoyed being on the media side in the NFL, and whether or not he's going to consider calling any football games next year. To close out the interview, Joe answers questions in a lightning round from all the guys in the studio (19:34-44:50). The guys also discuss Pat's new three-legged cat, and dive into an NFL conversation about whether or not the Patriots are done, if the Steelers are back/Boz's woes, if the Colts have quietly become one of the best teams in the AFC, and their thoughts on some of the demands of retired players and HOFer's. Pat also announces a HUGE GIVEAWAY towards the end of the show. Stick around afterwards to hear some of the live phone calls from Pat opening up the phone lines to the public. It's a good one, come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now, we're going to throw into a conversation where we thought we were going to talk to Joe Thomas. It was a little bit later. So who do we get a call from? A sneak call from a good friend who dropped some gems. You're telling me Will Smith walks in here, I walk over, you guys don't settle your beef right then and there? You think Oh, if you want to mediate it?

Yeah, I mean, let's put our swords away. At some point there was love, right? At some point there was the reception. There was the, ah, no money, ah, nah, at some point. I wouldn't call it love. To get to this point of hatred, at some point you had to love. Let's go back to that moment. Maybe let's feel each other out a little bit.

Nick, what did you originally like about- I'd be willing to come to the table. Yeah, see? I'd discuss terms. What year would you say it all turned around? After Independence Day. But what did you love about Will before Independence Day? I mean, the fresh prince growing up listen to this okay see we're getting places here and i go well listen you understand this you probably hear this all the time and well it's

probably like i do i do i will probably say i probably helped shape this kid's life with fresh prince of bel-air he taught me how to hate and nick would come what's that he taught me how to hate fresh prince bel-air taught you how to love. And hate. Why, Uncle Phil? I mean, there was a family turmoil, a lot of drama going on. It's because his dad wasn't around. Yeah. I feel like he was the one that always lightened up the situation.

Yeah, Will Smith. He was always the one going through the shit. He always created the problem on that show. What? What? I feel like he was the daughter. He was a troublemaker. No. He solved all the problems.

Yeah, the daughter was always... With his comedic relief. Shut up. Who, Hillary? With his humor. No, she was just not reporting whether it's... She was a problem, wasn't she? Yeah.

Her husband died. Come on. Yeah, yeah. Personally, I like Jeffrey. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. Good gloves on him too when he came flying in with the gloves.

Wait, you hated Independence Day? No. No, he said after Independence Day. I liked it. You started hating him after it. Yeah, I thought he started to go downhill afterwards. Whenever Jeffrey would have to break character in a scene and go off street for just a second, it was the best thing that's ever happened.

In Uncle Phil. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. R.I.P. Uncle Phil. For real. Maybe a moment here. So let's go back to those times, you and Will. Yeah.

If that's what Uncle Phil wanted, I would be willing to discuss terms. Look at this. Look at this. Look what we're doing here. This is crazy. What's today's date? The 18th. The 18th, Tuesday, December.

He's got to come to us, though. I ain't going to him. He's got to walk in here. I think we can go 50-50. Let's put our swords away. Let's put our swords down. Yeah. You handshake, dap him up, hug?

What are you doing? Depends. Fist bump? Depends what he said to me. What if he didn't say it? Depends how he started the conversation. He's not going to say things shitty to you. He's Will Smith.

He's Will Smith. He's the picture of positivity. Hey, what's up, Nick? Great to meet you. Yeah. Oh, you think he'd say that after Pat told him that I hated him? Yeah, I think so. I think he might even start off with an apology.

He might even say, hey, sorry. I'll tell you what. If he apologized, good way to win me over. He probably would. Great way to win me over. I think that's his move, honestly. If I know Will Smith like I think I do, I'd say, Will, welcome, welcome to the small business here. Pat McVink, we appreciate you so much.

And then I would say, here's the group here. This is Boston Connor. He's a little bit louder, but he's funny. Zito here does the Twitch stream. Okay, Foxy. He's been on a little bit but he's funny. Zito here does the Twitch stream. Okay, Foxy. He's been on a little bit of a drought. Maybe you could talk to him about that. This is Gorman.

He's 50 years old. Great with bets. This is Diggs, Todd, and this guy, Nick, the tall guy over there. Yep, he hates you. But he hates a lot of things, Will, so you shouldn't feel bad about that. And you probably wouldn't talk to anybody else, by the way, except for you. And he'd probably come right over to you. And I assume he'd be nice.

See, that's why I hate him. Probably get your own sitcom. Oh. Next couple weeks. Oh, he's just handing out sitcoms? If Will Smith likes you, you're on. You are in forever if Will Smith likes you. I don't know.

Sounds fishy. Here's what would happen. As soon as Pat said that you hate him he would make the funniest joke about that at all time of all time ever heard probably at my expense so hard to yeah no at himself i'm sure it's self-deprecating all the way yeah that doesn't sound like him because he's used it about 90 times yeah it's a stock line for that that he has yeah you're not his first hate no no you're not his first hater might be the biggest, no. You're not his first hater. Might be the biggest. Yeah. Might be. Might be the biggest, but not the first. Yeah, he'll say something

like, that's okay. My son hated me until he was 17. You know? Oh, I hate your son even more. Yeah. And everybody would laugh. You hate his son? Yeah. Tell me you don't. You're a big fan of Jaden Smith? You hate Jaden because he's a homosexual? That's not true. Wow.

Wow. Those are unsubstantiated rumors. No, that's what you just said. It's almost 2019, Nick. Get it together. Unbelievable that that's why you hate Will Smith's kid. Why would you label him as a homosexual? Wow, that is...

Because he's come out and said he's dating Tyler, the creator, a couple times. You actually told me that. That doesn't define him as a person. No. That's what Nick is doing, though. Taking one quality of him and deciding to hate him. I don't hate him for that quality. I hate him for all of his qualities.

Oh. Oh. Because he's black? Because he's gay. Oh, wow. How is he different than me? Oh, wow. He makes shitty music and movies.

If you made shitty music and movies, I'd hate you too, Todd. You make me laugh. The Pursuit of Happiness? You don't like that movie? What do you think, Connor? Look at my life. You think I like the movie called The Pursuit of Happiness? And that movie was a hater, by the way.

Yeah, and Jaden played me. He played the role very well, too. He's a pretty good actor, I'd say. No, he's dating Tyler Crater, and you hate him for it. He was the second best karate kid. I don't like Tyler Crater. Let's be honest. No, Hillary Swank. Oh, I forgot about Hillary.

Oh, yeah, you're right. What did Hillary Swank do? She was the third best. She was in the next Karate Kid. Yeah, I forgot about that. After the first three, Mr. Miyagi teaches her. If he came in here and apologized for his shitty movies the way he apologized to the public

for Wild Wild West, let's say, I would be willing to listen and talk. What did he say about Wild Wild West? He said he regretted making it. Biggest mistake of his career. Great popcorn flick, though. He turned down the Matrix for it. What? No way. Was he going to be the Morpheus? No, he was going to be Neo.

So he could have been John Wick now? Whoa. Wow. See, this is what makes Is he Morpheus? No, he's going to be Neo. So he could have been John Wick now? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, wow. See, this is what makes them humans. You make a mistake. Will Smith's been humbled. Will Smith's been humbled.

It's very obvious. He was on some show crying the other day. Huh? It was with his wife. Oh, he's always crying now. You get a little emotional as you get older. Open marriages are tough, though, bro. You know what I mean?

Well, I mean, just actually. How are they? I would assume. As you get older, you get a little bit more emotional. I got a three-legged cat. Made me almost cry this weekend. Oh, though, bro. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, just assume. Are they? I would assume. As you get older, you get a little bit more emotional. I got a three-legged cat. Made me almost cry this weekend. Oh. Yeah, boy. They almost made me cry this weekend.

Yeah, how do you feel about that? I love the cat, man. Watching it figure out how to do stuff has been really cool. AQ, I got a three-legged cat. Dr. Doolittle. I don't need your bullshit right now, man. I got four cats, a dog, two mice, 13 deer. I got it all.

There's no chance you love that thing. Which one? The mice or the three-legged cat? The three-legged cat. No chance. I love the three-legged cat. I like Val. I love Val more, but more than all the other cats.

This thing is the coolest. You're on a podcast. Sam probably just heard me say this is a nightmare. Sam did hear you hating on our three-legged cat. What's that? Let me tell you the story of this three-legged cat. Please, let me tell everybody the story of this three-legged cat. This weekend, I'm sitting, I think, here.

I believe I was here. And I get a FaceTime from Samantha Saying What's up And I said nothing And she was obviously cooking up something And she goes I was wondering if

And anytime that happens It's no The answer is no And then she pans down To this five month old White Siamese cat And I go we don't need Definitely only showed you the face Whole body Hands down to this five-month-old white Siamese cat. And I go, we don't need.

Definitely only showed you the face. Whole body. She goes, it's a three-legged cat. It's been up for adoption for two months now. It's five months old. Nobody wants it. Can we have it? Slightly used.

So. Response? I, three legs yeah let's get it we get that thing this thing has motivated me and inspired me it has three legs but it has more grit and fight than all the other cats with four paws this thing climbs up the sides of poles and kamikazes off the top of things. She's a tiny little warrior whose back leg is going to be stronger than mine whenever she's done with this thing. She's awesome.

It's like that girl in the shark movie. The surfer girl lost her leg and came back better than ever. Somehow, you can work this cat into Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer being bullied. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I got a three-legged cat that nobody wanted.

It laid in a cage for a couple months. Bullied. Put on your fucking seatbelt. Hey, buckle up. Don't believe in him. Hey, we're supposed to interview Joe Thomas here in a little bit. Do you have any questions I should ask him? I heard he's great. What him? I heard he's great.

What? I've heard he's great. That's the question. At interviews or football? Well, both. Obviously, football. But I've been following his Twitter, and he kind of comes back at some people. I appreciate it.

Who's your least favorite media person? Do it. I don't know. It's a good question. Do it. Who's your least favorite media person? Do it. I don't know. It's a good question. Do it. It's a good question. Do it. I'm still on this side, man. Wait till I'm on that side. Did the Arizona Cardinals come close to winning the game this weekend?

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Sure didn't. Who did you guys play? Atlanta Falcons. 40-14. Oh, yeah. I remember somebody said the minus 9 or plus 9 was a big-time bet for somebody in here.

It was a lock. Somebody said you guys were a lock, I believe, with the plus 9 against the Falcons. We were a lock. Yeah, I think it was bro, bro, bro bets now that I think about it. Did you take Arizona or Atlanta? Oh, Atlanta to ball ratio. Atlanta to ball ratio. Yeah, actually he did expect it.

They had a backup centerman. I think Tevin Coleman had like four yards. Centerman? Yeah, backup centerman. Gorman's in hockey mode. Gorman said the reason why I bet on the Atlanta Falcons Is because the Arizona Cardinals Had a backup centerman playing

A centerman Sounds just like Gorman Go back to the 50s and 60s They were all centermen They were They were centermen No way he gives a fuck Can we find fucking Joe Thomas

Do you have any questions For Joe Thomas, AQ? I got nothing for Joe. I'm very interested in hearing what you guys come up with on your own, being that that is your profession. It's not really. He's 30 minutes late at the moment, so we've had a lot of time to think of things to say to him. Sounds a lot like my weekend in New York.

In case you wanted to know, my wife, trying to make everybody happy, set up all these things to see all these people and all these things, and everybody showed up a half hour late. Nice. And I was like, I'm never coming back to New York again. Why? A half hour isn't that bad. I'm telling you, man.

It was, it was, that's it? I'm telling you, man. It was... That's it. I'm done. Is this the first time you've really hung out with the in-laws in the in-laws' territory? No, I've been there a couple times.

No, it wasn't even that. It's just that she tried to see... She tries to cram in three weeks worth of hanging out with people into three days and then she tries to keep the itinerary, and the itinerary's always fucked up.

And then she cries. I get pissed off. I say things I don't want to say. And it's just a revolving circle of a nightmare. No, things he doesn't mean, just things he doesn't want to say. He definitely means them. He didn't want to say it at the time because it was heat of the moment, obviously. Yeah, sounds about right right how's the baby she was amazing on the trip out there she was amazing there the five-hour flight from newark back to phoenix last night

she was an absolute fucking nightmare i am talking five hours worth of people just giving me the dirtiest looks I've ever seen. What did you do? Did you, like, did you feel bad, or did you put on your headphones and kind of disappear from it? No. I mean, I tried to do everything I could to get her from stop crying. I mean, it was like, you put her in the car seat, she'd start crying.

You pick her up, she'd smile at you for 13 seconds, and then full-out meltdown. Then you pick her up, and you pick her up she smiled at you for 13 seconds and then full out meltdown then you pick her up take her up the hot then you take her up the aisle way she's in a good mood and then she looks at somebody with a beard and she loses her mind and i'm just like i like literally like the flight landed and i was like i am so sorry guys like everybody in this area there are some people who really hate you. Very much hate you. Absolutely. Babies can't clear their ears, right?

Babies can't clear their ears, pop their ears? No, they're supposed to eat on the way up and eat on the way down. That's what's supposed to like the sucking action. Is that the reason why the tears came? No eating on the way up? No, she ate on the way up. She ate on the way down too. She was just a nightmare, Pat. A nightmare.

Well, maybe you shouldn't have procreated if you can't handle those situations. I handled it. I handled it. I would have liked to handle some of those people a little differently on that plane. I'll tell you that much. Alright, have a good one. I'll talk to you later.

See you guys. Hey, no questions for Joe Thomas, huh? Nothing. No, I'll listen tomorrow, though. I'll see what you guys come up with. He might never call. Ask him. Here we go.

Here's what I want to know. Ask him who he thinks is calling more plays on a week-to-week basis. Freddie Kitchens or Drew Stanton. All right, I appreciate that. See you. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now was the first ever offensive lineman in the NFL history. He went to 45 straight Pro Bowls.

He played 10,363 consecutive snaps in the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, future Hall of Famer, NFL Network contributor, host of the Tomahawk podcast, Joe Thomas. Here, here, here. Now we're talking. I need you to just follow me around in my daily life and make sure that everybody I come in contact understands exactly who they're dealing with.

Well, you look like a shell of yourself now. I'm looking at this thing. It says you're 312 pounds. I've seen you in suits, though, on TV. You look fucking good, Joe. Well, hey, I do appreciate that. Although the Thanksgiving season was not too kind on my midsection, and I was busting out of that suit that I just had made for me

when I was on TV last week. So I'm going to need to do some big-time hunger strike here before Christmas if I want to get into any of my Christmas gear. Everybody knows you're a terrorist, though, if you show up at one of these holiday parties and start begging on a diet. I showed up at my lady's parents' place. I'm trying to diet myself here, a little keto situation. There's four apple pies there, fried chicken.

If I don't eat that, I'm an asshole. So I think you're doing the right thing, Joe. Yeah, no, I totally agree. So I'm definitely going to go on a 10-day hunger strike here. I'm putting myself in Guantanamo Bay until Christmas so that I don't have to be that jerk that won't eat Christmas cookies. I'll come do some waterboarding if you need me. Appreciate it.

What a guy. Joe, your life has become a fun one to watch, and I mean that. Everybody knew that Joe Thomas was going to somehow make his way into the media. Last year, whenever you were hurt with the Browns, you were on ESPN every once in a while. You were kind of doing the rounds. Everybody, now you're landing on NFL Network there on Thursday Night Show. I don't know if you're every other week or what the deal is.

Have you been enjoying the media side of being in the NFL? I actually have. You know, it's a lot less painful than being on the other side when you're tipping and blowing every Sunday. So I've enjoyed, you know, just kind of trash-talking everybody out there, getting in people's face, you know, adding them on Twitter. It's been kind of a fun opportunity for me. And certainly losing a little bit of weight was kind of nice, too,

because it takes a lot of pressure off my joints. I'll tell you what, I understand what you're saying, getting banged up every Sunday going out there to battle. I feel the same way. Hey, man, I've seen a few blocks in the back of you. I know you like to tangle every now and then joe this cleveland browns team has been beautiful to watch the the re-emergence of the team after hugh jackson gets uh relieved of his duties and heads to cincinnati has this just been

a beautiful undertaking and did everybody in cleveland know this was possible well i'm not sure that anybody thought this was possible i think if people knew in the organization that putting greg williams in as your head coach and freddie kitchens as your offensive coordinator would lead to incredible success and all sorts of wins they probably would have done it a little while ago so i would say this was a big surprise but a pleasant one at that people in cleveland are going totally bananas over baker mayfield because he's deserved it We would have done it a little while ago. I would say this was a big surprise, but a pleasant one at that. People in Cleveland are going totally bananas over Baker Mayfield because he's deserved it so far. The play that he's had has been tremendous. It wasn't his best game this weekend, but the leader that he is

was still able to elevate the performance of all of his teammates, and they were able to get a win on the road. Only their second win on the road this year in Denver. Pretty tough defense they were able to get a win on the road. Only their second win on the road this year in Denver, pretty tough defense they were going against. So people in Cleveland are absolutely excited and it's understandable. Freddie Kitchens, offensive coordinator that came out that they've already locked him in for next year. I was wondering after watching Baker talk about Drew Stanton, how much you think Drew Stanton has been helping in that quarterback room as well for the young fiery primetimeetime player Baker Mayfield.

Yeah, I mean, having that veteran presence in every room is invaluable. As you know, when you have somebody that's walked in your shoes, that's been around 10, 11 years in the NFL, that can kind of help you understand not just the exits and rooms, not just, hey, read this one top this one, pop down, or left, or, you know, take this footwork. But how to prepare. I think that's the biggest thing because coaches,

it's really hard for them to tell a young player, hey, this is how you should prepare. This is when you should go up in the morning and get an extra workout in. This is when you should go to hit the ice tub. This is when you should get some treatment. And then this is how you should approach your film study. That's best coming from a veteran, and having a guy like Drew Stanton there from Baker Mayfield's own lips has been invaluable.

Do you think the Patriots are done? Well, I'm ready to put the Patriots back in the Super Bowl hunt because I'm going to say that Tom Brady is too old and that they're totally done, and Gronkowski is going to retire after this season. And usually after somebody says that, it's when they go on. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. The AFC North is getting very interesting right now.

The Steelers are kind of come see, come saw, hit or miss. You never know what you're going to get. A lot of drama. Joe Flacco's getting his ass shipped out of Baltimore in favor of Lamar Jackson's running-style offense. Cincinnati Bengals hired Hugh Jackson. So the AFC North is getting up in the air right now. The Browns have to feel pretty poised for a potential run here

in the next couple years. Well, I think that's part of the reason that everybody's pretty excited who's Browns fans is not only the job that Greg Williams has done and having your young franchise quarterback for the first time, but you look at the state of the AFC North, you look at, all right, Ben Roethlisberger, he's getting pretty old. He may be ready to retire. Joe Flacco, he's done in Baltimore.

They don't really know if Lamar Jackson's the future or not. You know, Andy Dalton's kind of always been, uh, he hasn't really been able to lead too much. So from that standpoint, the AFC North is going to be wide open really for the next 10 years. And the Browns are perfectly situated to be able to take that over. Not to mention Baker Mayfield,

but they've got a rookie running back. Who's a stud and Nick Chubb. They got Miles Garrett. Who's going to be, in my opinion, he's going to turn himself into a Hall of Fame pass rusher they've got a first round corner and denzel ward is playing lights out so you look all across the board they've got studs and they're well positioned to have some great success in the division for many years who do you love in the

nfl right now like what player other than outside of the browns like who's a player that's or or media member that you've met in your journeys? Who's somebody or a link to the NFL that you just absolutely love? Like, hey, you know what? I'm a big fan of, insert name here. Well, let me tell you, outside of Mr. McAfee,

the best in all of the NFL is none other than Andrew Luck. That guy, he makes me laugh with his consistently humble, unbelievably cool demeanor. And that video that you posted from this weekend was just fantastic. Just pinnacle Andrew Luck moment there

when he was being interviewed after the game. I mean, how do you not love that guy? It's honestly, Pam Oliver had no shot there. Pam Oliver had no chance in that interview ended quick see you later head nod smile laugh we're done here pam that's what he said to her isn't it just amazing like how consistent andrew luck is like has he ever been upset with anybody or been anything but just the aw shucks guy i I don't think so. I mean, that's just who he is and it's amazing

no matter the amount of success he's had. He hasn't changed one bit. You know, we hear that all the time in the NFL. Oh, that guy hasn't changed. But everybody really has changed a lot from where they were probably in high school. Except for this guy. Somehow he's got that time machine where he's the same kid that he was like at middle school. I posted a photo

of him damn near naked. He was not upset, but he was definitely not happy. I'm not upset, but I'm very disappointed in you. That's exactly what it was. How is the... Who do you see emerging

here in the playoffs? Eagles got Nick Foles back. Potentially, they could go on a fucking run out of nowhere. Rams look cold the last couple weeks. Patriots lose to the Dolphins and Nick Foles back. That potentially, they could go on a fucking run out of nowhere. Rams look cold the last couple weeks. Patriots lose to the Dolphins and Ryan Tannehill. Then they stack that on a primetime loss in Pittsburgh. Who are the Chiefs? Who knows what's going to happen with the Chiefs?

The Browns are hot. Colts are hot. Ravens are winning. Who knows? I feel like the playoffs are wide open right now, Joe. Yeah, they really are, and that's why the NFL is so great. There's really nothing that you can just take for granted. It's not like the playoffs are wide open right now, Joe. Yeah, they really are, and that's why the NFL is so great. I mean, there's really nothing that you can just take for granted. It's not like the NBA where, like, all right, we know, like, last year, the year before, it's going to be the Warriors and the Cavs.

You might as well just turn your TV off. And then in the finals, the Warriors are going to win. It's going away. So the NFL is totally different. You have no idea. It might be the team that sneaks into the wild card. It might be the team that's got the number one seed. Nobody really knows.

But I tell you, there's two teams that kind of scare me a little bit. The Colts, your boys over there, because Andrew Luck is so efficient, such a good player, having such a great year. Frank Reich, I think he's really got those guys bought in. But here's another team, and I did their game last week on Thursday Night Football. The Chargers, they're a team that nobody has ever talked about. Nobody ever gives any respect to. They have no fans, Joe.

Phillip Rivers, that guy can play. And you know what? Their defense is really good. They've got guys that can rush the passer. They've got a good secondary. They're tough all across the board. They can run the football. Melvin Gordon's coming back pretty soon.

And it's like I think that team is going to be the one that sneaks up on everybody and may go on a big run and be in the super bowl amen all right i appreciate you joe hey we're going to do a quick segment uh the room wants to know the guys that are in here with me uh are very excited to talk to the future hall of famer the first ever nfl offensive lineman i will let you know their names where they're from before they ask you uh their question first it's coming from a man named Zito. He is from Chicago, Illinois. He's known to be the smartest and dumbest person in the room at the same time. Zito, go ahead.

Hey, Joe, two questions actually for you. What's your favorite item from Mission Barbecue? My favorite item is their moist brisket, but I tell you the most underrated is their pulled chicken because most people don't go to a barbecue place and order the chicken, but that chicken is so moist. It's fall apart. It's delicious. It's fatty for those keto lovers like myself and

Pat. If you throw a little Alabama white sauce on that, I could eat that for days. Alabama white, huh? That's interesting. I usually go with the Alabama white. What's your favorite lineman right now in the NFL? Alabama White, huh? That's interesting. I usually go with the Alabama White. Big boy. And then what's your favorite lineman right now in the NFL? Nice.

Or who was your favorite? That's a good question. I'll let Taylor LeJuan. I think he's a pretty good player. I think he's a really excellent left tackle from Tennessee Titans. And he's coming off of a couple of really good performances for that whole unit. I think Derrick Henry went for like off of a couple really good performances for that whole unit I think Derrick Henry went for like 290

a couple weeks ago and then maybe a buck 80 last week so that team's playing pretty well and I like Taylor Watt a lot. How'd you feel about Zito's questions there? He used the company that you owned to kind of win you over there earlier and then he followed up with a real football questioner That's what you really

need to do. And you can tell he's been in the business a long time. This next question is coming from a 50-year-old man. His name is Jeff Gorman. Jeff. Hey, Joe, we were walking down memory lane earlier, and I was talking about how I lost my virginity as a 20-year-old to a 30-year-old TJ Maxx manager. So it got me thinking, Joe,

where's the worst place on your body to have a Toradol shot? Well, I would imagine your penis. Cause that's the only place I've ever got one. What about you? What is the worst place you can imagine getting a Toradol shot? Well, I thought if you had problems with like a high ankle sprain, they'd go in right on the shin. Over your ball sack this guy was a virgin till he's 20

there's a fucking reason man don't worry about his questions joe hey tour doll is a magic tour doll i think we talked about this last time you were on i wish i could still somehow tap into the tour at all well here at our new small business over here i don't know how we're gonna have to figure that out that stuff was magical i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you something i'm breaking news here in madison wisconsin i'm not gonna name the company but they're a very well-known company and they talk about they've got an entire holistic uh hangover approach where they'll actually give you tour at all on like a saturday morning or a sunday if you got a real bad hangover so maybe we'll send one send one out to Indianapolis and you'll be able to get in on that again. What are you into?

You're in a Toradol business? You're in a pharmaceutical business? I wish. I'd be a billionaire if I could get a Toradol like that. Hey, if you can just start sending Toradol across the country. Yeah, we need one in Indy down here. We'll send a needle over there from Madison, Wisconsin. Next question is coming from an Italian guy from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Diehard Steelers fan. Has hated the Browns since he literally popped out of his mother. It's just the way Pittsburgh is raised. But he's a big Joe Thomas fan now that you've retired. His name is Diggs, and that's with a Z on the Twitter. Hey, Joe. How are you? Good?

Good. Why do you think the Dog Pound didn't appreciate Joe Hayden? Because Steeler Nation does. Great question for Diggs. So they actually did. Joe Hayden was a beloved son in Cleveland, and I think it's just a matter of him signing with the Steelers that now people are bitter about it.

But I tell the Browns fans all the time, like, hey, the Browns cut him. He didn't want to leave. He wanted to stay in Cleveland, and the Steelers gave him his best opportunity. So you can't begrudge a man for taking the best employment opportunity after the team that he was with and that he loved got rid of him. The only reason I say that is because when the Steelers did get him on Twitter,

all I received was good luck with him. He's a bum from all of Browns Nation. Oh, that's just bitterness, right? Well, there's Twitter for you, yeah. Twitter, as we know, is full of honest people that know what they're talking about. Like myself, at JoeThomas73. Follow me. Good plug.

Next question comes from a retired state police detective. He was a state police detective for 21 years, retired about three years before his pension to start this business up with me. Ladies and gentlemen, Todd McComas. Hey, Joe. All right, Christmas is next week, right? I hear tell that sometimes a quarterback will take care of the guys that protect him for a living

and give some pretty awesome Christmas gifts to those guys. What's the best Christmas gift you've ever gotten from a quarterback? A lot of quarterbacks. Yeah, a lot of gifts. A lot of quarterbacks. A lot of quarterbacks. A lot of quarterbacks. Yeah, a lot of gifts. A lot of quarterbacks. A lot of quarterbacks. A lot of quarterbacks that didn't perform all that well enough to make enough money to buy me gifts.

The best gift I ever got, believe it or not, was a big green egg from Colt McCoy, current Redskins quarterback. He was a big cooker. As am I. I love to get out there and grill. And so I still got that big green egg in my backyard. I'm about to throw some steaks on tonight. Colt McCoy is still serving in the Joe Thomas household.

I wonder if Colt knows. Good for Colt, by the way. This next question comes from Manny. He's a little bit louder. He's a diehard Patriots fan. He goes by Boston Connor. He's fresh out of college, knows nothing about life. Yes, that's all true, Joe.

How are you? You touched upon the leadership of Stanton as the veteran guy on offense. On defense, they're pretty young. Who do you think's kind of stepped up and taken that veteran leadership role for them? Well, I'm going to say Joe Shulbert. He's their middle linebacker, so he's the guy that calls the defense. And I see him being, even though he's one of're middle linebackers so he's the guy that calls the defense and i see him being even though he's one of the younger guys he's one of the smarter guys in the defense and so i see

him being one of those leaders on that young defense that can kind of get everybody on the same page and make sure everybody's doing the right thing on each play uh last question no there's two more three more questions this guy made 71 straight free throws the other day. 71, Joe Thomas. 71 straight free throws. Does that make, does that impress you? Was that underhanded? I do like to know.

I'm always keeping track because the old-timers, they always say the underhand is the best method to shoot the free throw. Well, this one was just a particular left-handed stroke. He's just a left-handed stroker. He's a skinny lad. He's got good hair. He's from Michigan, so he says that makes him have grit regardless because he grew up and went through a couple Michigan winners.

He's a diehard Detroit Lions fan. His life is terrible. His name's Evan Fox. Evan Fox has a question for you, Joe. Thank you for bringing basketball up, Pat. Joe, I'm curious, when the Browns win the Super Bowl, does that city explode more than when LeBron won it, or is LeBron the peak? No, it's a Brownstown. Even though they love LeBron, they love basketball, they love pro sports, really. It's always been a Brownstown, and everyone will tell you that

even though the Browns, or excuse me, the Cavs parade had like a million people and the whole city went bananas, if the Browns won, I honestly would worry for those businesses because they're about to burn that place down. Will you be a part of those celebrations? Do you and the Browns have a relationship where you go back, if they win a Super Bowl, you're getting a ring, like that type of relationship? You should, by the way. I'm just, if they win a Super Bowl, you're getting a ring, like that type of relationship? You should, by the way. I'm just wondering if they do. Well, I'll go be the janitor for six months if I can get a Super Bowl ring when they win.

We'll see. I think everyone would be happy if we just got to win one, and then we'll find out who all gets the ring. You're steadfast in that whole place. This other guy, big hockey fan from Pittsburgh, Italian, also a big Steelers fan. I'm excited. Hates Will Smith, this guy.

This next guy who's asking you a question hates Will Smith. His name is Nick Marotta. Nick? That didn't need to be in there. Well, I just wanted him to know who he's talking to. Joe, question for you. I was looking to get your honest raw unfiltered take on the current state of officiating in the nfl and if it's changed at all in your transition

from player to analyst let's go i like this honestly i honestly think officiating is probably as good as it's ever been the problem is here's here's thing. The problem is with social media, with the way that there's a 24-7 news cycle with the NFL, every mistake or perceived mistake is amplified right now. And so now everybody's perception is that the officiating sucks. But it's really, if you probably look at the numbers, if you were able to break them all back, it's probably as good as it's ever been. Same thing happened to cops on social media.

There goes a couple bad ones up there. Yeah, we're all bad. Same thing happened to cops on social media. A couple bad ones up there. That was for Todd, I'm sure. The next question is for a guy from Iowa. A little farm boy out there, out in the cornfield. Nah. He used to play baseball.

Could throw a ball very well. He was my professional baseball coach. Producer of a couple shows, Kid Never Sleeps, addicted to Red Bull. Ladies and gentlemen, Ty Schmidt. Joe, how are you doing? Not to diminish any of the previous quarterbacks that you've played with, but just curious, how do you think your career would have panned out

differently if you would have had a guy like Baker Mayfield as your quarterback the entire time you were in Cleveland? Yikes. Yeah, I'm not sure my career would have been all that much different, but I'm sure that we would have won a hell of a lot more games. I only won like 40 or 50 games

in 11 seasons, and so that was pretty miserable. But personally, it probably would have been a hell of a lot more fun too because losing in the NFL really sucks, and I think that's underrated. How much losing sucks in the NFL. Your happiness is controlled 100% on wins and losses in the NFL. I have no clue how you did it over there.

That's why every time I talk to you, I feel like I bring this up. The career you had when your environment surrounding you was always changing and always negative and always miserable is so incredible. It's probably the most impressive NFL career in the history of NFL careers, to be honest. Yours. We talked about this on the podcast earlier in the season. There was a point like four years ago where I literally thought I was going insane.

The losing had just built up so much in my brain that it changed me. Chemically, in my brain, the pathways changed because it was just so miserable dealing with all that losing. You can't even process it after a while. After going 1-15 and then 0-16, you just fail to be able to comprehend the misery. It's like a prisoner of war or something horrible. But you remain such a steadfast on the Browns being so damn good.

It's a real testament to the Joe Thomas strength. I'm being serious when I say that. That's almost more impressive than how good you were on the field, to be honest. The ability to not mail it in or just say, fuck it. I'm in a terrible situation. I'm already rich. I've got paid is just such a testament to you as a human.

I hope you know that. Well, I appreciate that. I think for me, I grew up and loyalty was always really important. Uh, it was something that was taught to me by my parents. And so that's kind of always been a big part of who I was.

And then I think the position I played, there was no option to mail it in. Let's say defensive end. You could mail it in every play and nobody would ever notice. If I'm a left tackle, if I mail it in one time, my quarterback's getting sawn in half and he's getting carried off the field

on a stretcher. Immediately, everybody's looking right at me. There was no option to take a play off or to take one play where I'm going to go sit out and drink gatorade for a minute and honestly i think that helped just kind of the mentality that i was able to have throughout my career by the way i think that adds even more to the build that is joe thomas you play the worst position in sports offensive line is the worst position in sports. Offensive line is the worst position in sports. Because just like he said, a DN can rest for 75% of the game. Just rest.

Just take up blocks. Just hold up blocks. Not get exposed, really. Unless they run towards you, you're going to have to mix it up a little bit. And then just save it, basically, for like two, three. If a DN gets two sacks in a game, the world's losing their shit. Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame if they get two sacks in a game.

But the offensive lineman never knows when that's coming. It's a guessing game. It's impressive, man, the way you were just able to hold up all those years, man. Emotionally, it's a big deal. I'm proud of you, Joe. Hey, Joe, I'm proud of you, man. I hope you get a big TV gig because you deserve to be a voice of the game. Well, thanks, Dad.

Where are you going to go? Are you going to get a big-time offer? Are we going to see Joe Thomas in any booths or anything? Are you going to get into play-by-play? I'm not sure if I want to go into play-by-play. I think there's part of me that says that could be exciting, but then the other part of me says that's a hell of a lot of homework. That's a lot of travel.

And I've kind of enjoyed doing the pregame stuff and doing a little of the, you know, clown show TV shows where you go up there and, you know, a blast off hot takes at everybody. So we'll see. I definitely want to continue in the media space, but it all kind of depends on the offers and you never know, but on the play-by-play stuff and the color analyst, but I'm not exactly dying to do that i want to let you know i was a color commentator once i did no research it was it was a i had a hell of a time in there hell of a time aj hawk did all the research that was awesome to do that i had a good time in there joe thomas i thank you so much for taking time

with us uh thanks for answering the rooms's questions, and have a good one. And I don't know who that is in the background, but tell them to have a great night as well. We appreciate you, Joe. Yeah, absolutely. That's my daughter, and she says thanks for giving her a little bit of time. And thank you guys for having me on. I definitely enjoyed myself.

This was the highlight of my day so far. And I just wanted to say thank you to Zito. Good friend. Great question. I know he's the smartest guy in the room. Jeff, you're the best. My Italian friend from Pittsburgh digs. That was a great question. As always, the cops in the room, got to give them a little bit of props in case they get that speeding

ticket. And Connor, my buddy from Boston, even though I hate the Patriots, got to give you props. And then the guy that shoots free throws all day. Who even shoots free throws as an adult? The Italian sausage there. Why do you hate Will Smith? I would love to know why you hate

Will Smith so much. And Ty, the producer, you're the best one. And finally, to Pat, how the hell do you make any fucking money if you have 14 people on the show? It's pretty good. It's a pretty good little run we have, Joe.

By the way, little Sean McVay Rain Man in you right there. Unless you wrote it down, which I'm not sure if you did. But that was an incredible recap there of all the humans in the room. And as you were describing them, it was making me wonder about how we are making money with 14 people in here. But we're trying our best, Joe. We appreciate you, man. You need to fire some of those guys. Breaking news.

Joe Thomas looks for humans to be fired before the holiday season. Classic Cleveland. Classic Cleveland. Hey, Joe, we appreciate you, man. Thanks, Joe. Thanks, guys. See you.

Huge shout-out to Joe Thomas. That guy is always good. There's no way he memorized those names. No. I don't know. He's a media guy now. We don't know. We don't know what Joe Thomas' brain looks like.

Maybe he is that full rain man, like I said. Or maybe he wrote it down and just did the smart thing. I would never think to do that, though, personally. So if he did that, he's definitely two steps ahead of at least me. And that's why Joe Thomas is a Hall of Famer. Joe Thomas is the man. Yeah, he's awesome. Joe Thomas is the absolute man. Joe Thomas, also a man

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It's tough to win in Denver. It is very hard to win in Denver. Can't take these humans seriously. Prime time Saturday night. Kids are rookie. Baker is a gamer, dude. America's team. He is a gamer.

Cleveland Browns, the dog pond, have become my favorite team, I think, in the NFL. Me too. Just what? I'm just kidding. But you meant it like I meant it. Yes. Like, yeah, I enjoy watching.

It's just fun to watch. It's entertaining to watch these kids do unbelievable. You got one quarterback on his way up and the other on his way down. Like, they're crossing right now in opposite directions. Which one? Roethlisberger? Roethlisberger is, like, on his way down. Well, yeah.

He's on his way up. And Flacco's on his way out. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dalton's never, ever gone up or down. Marvin. Him and Marvin. Yep, him and Marvin.

Yep. Him and Marvin. Just a steady seven wins. I think it's not that far. I don't think it's that big of a reach because if they haven't, you have to win at home, right? That's what you win. You win at home, you get at least eight wins,

and you steal a couple on a road. If they have a couple road primetime games, I think Baker shows up in primetime games. I think they steal those. That's 10 wins right there. got a 10 win season just like that You're winning the AFC North When? Next year or the year after

Two years He's a big time player And that defense is legit Do they have money? At defense How can they have money? Have them go to Lev Bell too Get Le'Veon Bell in there

That would be the most Cleveland move of all time To waste $15 million on Le'Veon Bell. Oh, waste. Listen to this guy. They would be... They have Nick Chubb. You guys would... There would be no drama if you had Le'Veon Bell still in there.

Sign him. Please do. They also have Chubb on Rookie Contract. Oh, Chubb, true. Yeah, but he's on Rookie Contract for three more years after this year. Why would you pay someone $15 million? Because you have the money. Why wouldn't you spend it somewhere else where you need it?

By the way, that was a very... Dumbass. I think because Chubb is so good. Yeah. Me saying Lev Bell would be very stupid. That was a very stupid take by me. But having Lev Bell is a swing back for you. Not a bad play. And he can play slot.

Like, he played receiver a lot for you guys. Right? How many catches did he have? Well, that was the thing. He wanted to be paid. He had a lot of catches. Played receiver like seven snaps. So you already have Jarvis Landry in the slot. By the way, Jarvis Landry is a dog. He is so good at football. He is so good.

The Cleveland's got something very special over there. Very, very special. He's heard this for a long time. They're legit. Baker Mayfield's a different animal. Yeah, everyone said that about him. Hold on. Everybody has said that the Patriots might take a collapse this year.

Everybody said it. I didn't say a collapse this year. Everybody said it. I didn't say it until this year. It might be happening right now. It might be happening. I don't think. It's not happening right now. Why are they lacking? Connor, you've got to be worried some.

Connor, you have to be. I'm really not worried yet. He just dumped two in a row. One to the Dolphins. Tom Brady's throwing up interceptions in the red zone? Exactly. That's just decision-making, which is tough. That is why the Patriots are the Patriots, because decision-making.

He's the vet of all vets. How often does he make those plays? Not very often. So if he's losing. Lately, though. Undisciplined. There's 14 penalties. Again, yeah, the 14 penalties was tough.

This is not the Patriots. Most drops in the game since 2016. We had a lot of drops, too. It wasn't just Brady. When your talent starts to fade, you get a little desperate. We learned this from Brett Favre. Sending your dick to places. He starts throwing a lot of balls away.

Did Brett Favre go to a Super Bowl at 40? Brett Favre did a lot of things early. NFC Championship. Minnesota Vikings, right? He was pretty good. He was close. Who was his coach whenever he was there? Name it. Who, Vikings? Yeah. I don't fucking know. Exactly.

Shut the fuck up. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. He didn't go. He didn't go when Brady did. Brad Childress. No idea. Yikes.

Nobody even knows. I think it was Brad Childress. So don't yell at me. Well, I'm saying you're comparing the Brady- I didn't bring up Favre. I was just saying Favre- You compared Favre to Brady. You said, did he win a Super Bowl at 40?

That's what you said. He doesn't have Belichick. I said, go to a Super Bowl. But yes. Yeah, because he didn't, because he dropped the pass. Because he lost. Yeah. But he was fucking very good.

Because he dropped the pass. The biggest thing for me is the defense has been the worry this whole entire season. And then yesterday, it played very well. I mean, AB in the second half didn't do much. They had 14 points at half. Did they play well, though? Is Gronk good? played very well. I mean, A.B. in the second half didn't do much. They had 14 points at half. Did they play well, though? Is Gronk good? They played well.

The offense didn't. They gave up like 120 yards to a fourth string. Yeah, we also gave up two touchdowns to Brandon Bolden last week. That happens to the bats. So is that playing good? No, but they're getting better. Is it fair to say that he has been in a position recently where he just has to outscore everybody like Peyton Manning used to have to

because the defense is so bad. And now he's getting a little older, and he's not quite the arm or decision maker he used to be. So it's happening. This is the same season we beat the Chiefs. We're still talking about the same team that put up 43 points. Yeah, age though. This is December now. Yeah. This is December now.

Yeah. This is December now. And he didn't have a four game suspension to kind of rest in. You know what I mean? He doesn't get so... The NFL today, you must agree, quarterbacks are built to last in this NFL now. Especially with the TB12 treatment.

But whenever you're 40 some years old. Yeah, that's my point. Tom versus time. I've been 40. Tom versus time. Yeah. Tom's been winning for a long time. He wants four more years after this one, too.

Probably because he's got so much scrutiny last year from sucking the breath out of his child to live longer. Probably hasn't done it recently. Well, I mean, hey, whatever it takes, man. Whatever it takes. You're not worried at all? No, I'm not worried yet, no. How about putting up 10 points on that defense, though, Diggs?

Should there be some worry? No, no, I don't think the Patriots are worried at all? No, I'm not worried yet, no. How about putting up 10 points on that defense, though, Diggs? Should there be some worry? No, no, I don't think the Patriots are worried at all. I really don't. Not until they lose in the playoffs. 10 points to that shoddy defense that they still have in Pittsburgh? In my mind, they're still the favorites in the AFC. Gorms, Gorms, you've got to understand. No, Star, I'm not listening to you.

You're done, bro. America's game of the— You've got to put your arms around it. You are done this year. It starts with coaching. It starts with your quarterback play, and your defense is a sieve. You won't get far in the playoffs here. I'm sorry to shut everybody down right now, especially you, but, bro, it is over.

Your reign is over. How's that feel? Okay. Every team circles the Patriots, okay? So we have America's game of the week this week. Almost every week, yeah. Before last week it was Miami Dolphins.

And so, yeah, obviously at Pittsburgh, the stadium was loud. There were a couple times where we came back from commercial break and the place was jumping there. You have to respect the whole field. Did you see that guy?

The one guy tell his girlfriend he handed her the towel and said, wave that shit, babe. I recorded it on my phone. I recorded it because you literally see him hand over the towel, wave that shit, babe. Blonde-haired kid. He does thrive in that environment. Used to.

It was first and goal from the four, and we got a holding penalty. Second and goal from the 14 is not good. just good teams don't do that bro all right this is not what the patriots would do the patriots would never do this before this is what made the patriots the patriots they were this machine up north that does everything right every decision is smart every single situational thing is handled perfectly there's no wild interceptions being tossed in the red zone for no reason because your quarterback is the coolest dude of all time. This

year seems to be the year things are different. Gronk seems like he's easier to stop. Is that true or am I just imagining it? He's going down much easier now. He's going down way easier. He's playing every year. He's being slow. He's 60 years old.

The other thing I do want to bring up, obviously the game football. In Gronk football, he's hurt he's playing every year he's an ambulance he's slow he's 60 years old yeah the other thing i do want to bring up obviously the game bronc football yeah he's probably 45 50 you're right he's older than brady for sure for sure by a lot yeah we should be on rg 87 he had two he had two or three back surgeries coming out of college like he was he was 40 when he got drafted he was old the one thing i do want to bring up, and obviously the game's over, whatever. Before that Antonio Brown touchdown pass, is that not the worst pass interference call of all time? When?

Right before. The next play was the Antonio Brown. No, it was on Washington down the sideline on your side. Antonio Brown. They were terrible yesterday. I will say this. The refs are atrocious. Atrocious. They were bad in every game, though.

What do you do? But what I'm saying is they are so bad yeah it it does almost they're changing games it's almost to the point where we have no idea who's the better team in situations because the fucking refs decide to decide it totally there's no common sense anymore in the ref game and all those refs are so scared shitless to make a mistake every time they start talking it looks like they're on stage in front of 40 000 people and have never talked in front of anybody because that's what they're doing they're speaking in front of a stadium they all look nervous every call is shoddy to bullshit questionable it's bad it ruins the game i've had this thought and let me know if i'm crazy and i know you'd

never be able to do it due to like bias but why can't a former player be a ref you can't make it enough money probably yeah there isn't enough i think it's like 250 grand it's pretty good they know the game though but i what i think has to happen and i because i wanted to do it whenever the last year the first year i was watching it like let me get with one of them nerd riffs yeah okay who can't speak that crew you just tell me what the call is and then let me say it right right because you're the voice of the game absolutely at this point you were explaining our guy down here thought it was a pass interference because he grabbed him beforehand we saw there was a hand joust going on

but he grabbed him too much at the end personal foul or uh pass interference first got you like i think if they explained it in like a human manner as opposed to like a fucking like this is the call and then everybody looks and is like no it isn't though it's like if you show the human side like okay the back judge thought he saw this as a whole blah blah that's it 10 yard first and that's why that's why ed hawkley was so good because he had a personality he would explain it steritor or uh gene gene steritor same thing yeah He was confident when he was speaking. He would let you know what happened, why it happened. And if they fucked up, he was like, this is on us.

Because I think you make it more relatable. Right now, the refs are just a piece of the game, basically. They're like a game piece in life or something like that. They just show up, fuck the game up, and leave. It's like, let's give them a little bit of something. I also think you need a deeper ref pool of guys. And then when a crew has a bad game, like a blatantly bad game, they need to sit down for a while and bring in more backups.

Yeah, there needs to be repercussions. I don't care. Like on certain penalties that are major penalties, you should get fined. You should get fined. We should make a ref fantasy. You draft. Refs each week. It's like week to week. Like how this ref is going You draft refs each week. It's like week to week, like how this ref is going to do, how many flags.

How many missed calls. How many controversies online does this person's call score? How many refs are rotation? I don't know. I think they have 16, 18 crews. 16 crews? They have to have at least 16. So 18 crews, you have those buys too.

But then they got all-stars, though. They do have all-stars in that ref pool. They hand-picked some of these guys. When they run the guys off after bad, they hand-picked them. So there is different levels of refs as far as the NFL is concerned. Oh, yes, certainly. By the way, I understand why nobody wants to be a ref. Nobody likes you.

No. They only hate you. You could win a game for somebody with a terrible call, and they won't remember. They'll just be excited. They're not thanking you. But the other side is definitely threatening your life yeah which is what i would like to do to that ref who called that pass interference yesterday i mean there was very

much both sides connor there were both sides but was the did we ever have a penalty or did you ever have a penalty and the next play was a touchdown no it was it was a 30 yard last year they called back a touchdown on jesse james yeah what are you even talking about? Are we talking about last year? You're talking about yesterday? You're talking about yesterday? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just fucking happened. I mean, they got screwed against the Chargers on two blatant false star calls that they didn't call.

And I agree with you. That is bullshit. That's why you're mad it happened to you yesterday. You fucking pissed it happened to me. We didn't come in here talking about that. Hey, Pat, you think the NFL is happy that they moved the extra point back? After the missed extra points that we've seen over the last few weeks, especially yesterday, how does the NFL feel?

They wanted to make it a more entertaining play, right? With a lower probability. That's what they wanted. I don't know if they like that it's happened now. You don't? I don't think so. Pat, should these kickers make an extra point? I tell you what, though.

It's exciting for you, and it really helps your team that they missed it. So it does create a get-up-and-cheer moment. I agree completely. But, boy, there's a lot more kicker hate that has come. Pause. But those kicks, those 33-yarders, those become real kicks, though. I mean, yes, everybody should be able to make a fucking 33-yarder.

I mean, you've got high schoolers and junior high kids making 33-yarders. But every kick is a field goal. Everything is a focus in, here we go, this is a big deal. Because 33 yards is enough yards to make a ball move or to fuck it up. I mean, Boz missed from 32 yesterday. I've missed from 20 before just by pulling it. But in the NFL, in the middle of the field, you would think guys would be able to do it, but it seems to be a fucking frequent these days.

More head case or more just set up snap placement? Everything's mental. Granted, there could be bad snap and hold on a couple of them. We saw it in Detroit yesterday, yeah. Bad snap and hold on a couple of them, but mentally, man, your next stroke could be your best stroke or it could be your worst stroke of all time. It's just the way it is.

It's just like golf. If you start losing in between your ears, you got no chance. How long did you talk to Vinny after a mess? I didn't. I didn't talk to him. Nothing about the kick? Nothing? He wouldn't try and vent to you?

No, no. I would just give him like a fist bump, you know, and like an ass slap, and then just stay away from him for a little bit. And then like five, ten minutes, I'd go back over. He's already forgotten. No. Just because he's such a veteran you're like he's gonna figure he knows how to figure this well and i also know he's gonna be on tv so i don't want to i don't want to be talking to him and anybody him being pissed off yeah i don't want to i don't want to bring anything out

of them that's going right on the tv so it's like now is not the time to talk to him because you might mother fuck something right and i don't want like it's just i just kind of let him cool down for a little bit then i'll walk over who knows if he even needs it by the way i just kind of let it happen then i go over and chat with him yeah we'll have to go out and get the next one right and he goes yeah but that fuck whatever he says you know like yeah but that one should have won yeah yeah yeah and just keep it moving for me anytime i hit a shank i would get very mad very very mad about it i i've always talked about it i would let if i was in practice and i'm actually trying to do well and i don't do well there's a fuck coming out really loud and really quick and it's coming real loud real quick i mean it's it's because if i'm actually trying to

do good and i don't do good i feel like i let me down right i'm like okay you can't just if i'm fucking around not really focusing and the ball's going okay let's have a good time but if i'm actually trying to do well and i don't it's loud i've scared kids off at practice riley children's hospital kids came to practice and things like that but i for me everybody says you should forget about it like don't think about it short-term memory they say it about cornerbacks and they say it about golfers and kickers and punters. Everybody, they say, yeah, short-term memory.

I want to remember how mad I was, so I don't feel like that again. I want to remember how bad I felt whenever that happened, so I don't feel like that again. So did you also, if that happened in the game, you didn't want anybody to come up and talk to you either because you wanted to just get it out? No. When somebody would come up, it depends what they had to say.

I had some coaches. They're like, shake it off, man. We'll get you next time. Yeah, that's on me. Normally, I would tell people, that's my fault. If it was a teammate, I'd say that's on me. But normally, you'd have somebody who knows more about kicking a ball than you do, who has never kicked a ball in their life, who wants to come over and be like,

hey, next time you should think about this. Why don't you get the fuck out? Who are you talking to right now? You are fifth string D-Tac. What the fuck? I saw... Hey, speaking of get the fuck out of here, let's give some props to New England because we're burying them in the last

10 minutes. Let's give some props to them. I think the rookie running back, who is it for Steelers? This guy, what's his name? Jalen Samuels. Samuel goes his name? Jalen Samuels. Samuel goes over, runs out of bounds, takes a seat on the bench, and they're like, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, but they could have handled that a lot worse, by the way.

That could have been a full-on brawl on some sideline. They handled it just like the Patriots handle things, by the way. It was Slater, too. It was just get the fuck out of here. That's exactly what it was. Get the fuck out of here, which I respect, by the way. I respect the Patriots a lot. I just think everything seems to be different this year.

I agree. From the beginning, from Jump Street, from the Minnesota Timberwolves basketball game Super Bowl week, everything has seemed to be different. And it seems as if the results might be different as well. I don't know. Yesterday was a perfect storm of terrible games. It was a perfect storm.

There were things that we haven't done since 2014 that we did last night. You don't do that, though, after a loss, especially. But see, if we were doing this consistently, like if this was happening multiple times this season, for sure, yeah, back-to-back games. But again, at Miami, we always – Yeah, you would also only have like three wins, so it would be obvious you're not having a good season.

I said week three that we were going to lose to Miami in Miami. That game is a trap game every year. Pittsburgh, it was tough. That one we needed last night for sure. Absolutely, we needed it. It would have been great to have. The Patriots are going to do what the Patriots do. Get back to work.

Finish 11-5. We're going to finish the two seed because Houston's going to lose at Philly next week, so we'll still get that first round. Hey, Nick Foles, by the way. Yep. All the way back. He's back. Good for Nick Foles. He doesn't give a fuck him i was on the time he fucked me hard as well but bet me over but you know what how do you you can't get mad at him he comes out and he's

just awesome and everybody loves him big dick nick he sucked in the beginning of the season right and i was on the tomahawk show joe thomas and Andrew Hawkins. There it is, Tomahawk Show. And they did a lot more research than I did, obviously. I was talking about that. I was like, feels good for Nick Foles. He comes off a Super Bowl MVP, then they immediately tell him he's not our long-term starter, right? So Nick Foles probably gets down in the dumps a little bit.

Nah, they gave him a bump, Pat. They gave him a bump, Pat. They gave him a bump. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Nick Foles went into the woods to decide whether or not he was going to quit and came back out. I mean, Nick Foles has been on a rocky ride here with his football career. Then he leads off the season.

He doesn't have Alshon Jeffrey. He doesn't have Golden Tate. He doesn't have many weapons. He kind of sucks. Carson Wentz comes back in, does well, does well. They get booed opening night, by the way, at home. Nick Foles is probably like, ah, fuck, man. I'm the worst.

I win Super Bowl MVP. I can't even be a starter in this place. Now he sees his moment to come back out of the cave to save the Eagles, die on the cross here for the Eagles. It's Nick Foles' time again to be the guy. And I think if he does well here, he should request a trade. Yeah, absolutely. He should be requesting a trade.

He should be Jacksonville. Maybe Jacksonville. If they don't get Joe Flacco, maybe Jacksonville. They need somebody. What are the Eagles going to do with Carson Wentz, though? They're going to keep him forever. He didn't look right, I thought, at the beginning of the season. When he came back, I didn't think he was going to be here.

Who, Carson? Carson Wentz is really good. He didn't look like the way he did. Was that the true story, too, that there was a broken vertebrae in his back and the team didn't tell him? Yeah. Carson Wentz is really good. Yeah, he didn't look like the way he did. Was that the true story, too, that there was a broken vertebrae in his back and the team didn't tell him? Yeah. Carson Wentz or Nick Foles? Carson Wentz.

The team didn't tell him? No. This is coming fresh off of John Dorenbos going down to the Saints and his first physical being told that one of his arteries is like 50 times too large. He needs heart surgery tomorrow or he's going to die. He shouldn't have been playing football. This is he played for years and years with the Eagles, gone through a lot of physicals.

There's another guy, Ocho. He was a linebacker, I think. Sam Ocho. Yeah, he's an ESPN analyst now. And he had a similar incident where he was like he knew something was wrong, went to the team docs. They misdiagnosed it in favor of the team, obviously. And he went on a rant about it on Twitter.

Was that what they're claiming here, that they misdiagnosed it? Or did somebody actually discover that they knew it? This one seems like they just withheld it. How are they defending that right now? How do you defend that? Yeah. I got to look into that. Why would you withhold it from such a young player, too?

Because you want him to go back on the field. He's the face of their franchise. You just want him to play. Yeah, wouldn't you want to protect the face of your franchise? No, no, no, no, no. This is money. Yeah, you're talking about asking us to think like them would be a very interesting move. Well, and that's what Acho said.

He was like, their allegiance is to the team, not the players. So they're going to do whatever they need to do to ensure that they have a better chance to win on Sunday. And then that team spins it that their allegiance is to the city and then bang, bang, boom, the PR crisis goes. Player loses out in the end. Wouldn't you get a second opinion right away, though? No, not really.

Because he wants to play. And you trust the doctor. You trust these. You see these people every day. So it's like whenever I had an injury on my knee, you get it checked out by the doctors that are there and the trainers that are there. And you've become such friends with these people that you're like okay this doctor here is friends

i'm with these people more than i'm with anybody in front office or anything like that i'm much more often they fly with us we're friends with them and if they're like hey we think your knee has this you're just gonna be like all right this is what they think i feel like i can still play a little bit also i'm making a lot of money to do this i'm gonna just go ahead now granted if you're a guy who's like oh i'm to go get a second opinion for sure because I don't trust you, like probably the smart move, but it's not a normal move

because these are your friends telling you this basically. Yeah, but Pat, they're also one of the top three players on the team at that point because if you're that guy who's 40-something on the roster, you're like, fuck it. I need to get back on the field. I need to hold on to a job. Yeah, well, you're talking about Carson Wentz though?

Well, he's one of those guys. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure he wanted to play, but also, I also i mean sounds like either the doctor passed this on to somebody in the organization and they purposely withheld it or the doctor purposely the doctor would be the conversation he'd be having a conversation with the doctor if you're carson wentz yeah you're having a conversation with probably the gm in there the doctors in there and probably the owner even if if it's carson wentz in there and that's where that conversation's happening to tell him exactly what's wrong with

him because he's important. If he was lied to about this back thing. That's a big deal. This is a huge story. This is a very, very big story and I'm assuming the NFLPA is about to lose their fucking minds about it. Will they come after the Eagles? Demore Smith will. He'll

be on every ESPN show probably for the next two weeks talking about it if I had to guess. This will be a huge scandal. 2020, we have another CBA. I think 2020, there's another CBA. So this is just a... CBA for the people who don't know what that is. Collective bargaining agreement, which is what...

It might be 2021 now that I think about it. 2020, 2021, this is when the lockout happened when the last cba was up yeah so they locked the doors we couldn't come to work pr spin zone millionaire players are battling against billionaire owners where the billionaire owners uh keep the team in our city we like them more than the players players lose pr spin zone from the jump which puts a lot of pressure on the players and negotiation agreed to a bad CBA deal. To be honest with you, I think it's bad.

I know. Granted, I think the way that the business is handled between the NFL P and the NFL isn't great. It's in like a, let's go to battle conversation all the time. Like we're going to do this. You're going to do that.

Like it's always battle. There's never real business being talked. I don't think, I don't know whose phone it is. I don't know if it's the NFL's lawyer side or the NFL PA side. There's never really a common ground until jeff saturday came in and jeff saturday somehow heroed this effort to finish the cba i thought it was going to go on for much longer i went on a hell of a bender it was awesome the lockout i wish it happened every single year but it's going to

happen again it's going to happen the lockout's going to happen in 2020 or 2021 whatever you say it is in this moment we'll be brought up during it for sure. It'll never be 50-50, bro. Ever. It'll never, ever be 50-50. Contracts will never be guaranteed. It'll never be 50-50 just because the PR spin zone of how big football is and how important it is, we could always fill the players' spots

if you don't want to play mindset, which is how the NFL feels. If it's not you if it's not you, it's somebody else. We don't give a fuck. And it's much different than a strike. It's them actually making us lot, letting us come to work until we agree on something. And it's like,

well, probably going to get fucked. Also probably going to get fucked. Also billionaires can wait out millionaires a lot longer forever. And they got all the big lawyers too. They got, they got all the best lawyers on earth working over the big too. The big hog at the trough, man. They're going to eat.

They're going to eat. It's interesting to see what Wentz decides to do because that's malpractice. So you're wide open civilly, especially the doctor. Okay. Are you giving me the hell out of Philly immediately if that's the case? And it comes to light that they said, hey, we are holding back this injury. That's so tough, isn't it? It's going to be very hard.

Or I won $100 million because you put the fact whether I can walk or not on the line. Because his projected potential earnings could be $100 million with the Aaron Rodgers thing. He could very much in court say that. That's wild, isn't it?

It's going to be interesting. Hey, what did the Colts not tell me, Gorman? Gorman, you were in there. Why did they not tell me? If I'm Carson Wentz, though, I am pretty upset, mostly because I probably viewed these doctors and people as friends, and they were just lying to me. So after a lockout, players' relationships with the owners, is it bad?

I don't know. Everybody kind of wanted it to be, but Jim Irsay and I ran into each other after the lockout in training camp and I said uh because we weren't allowed to talk they weren't allowed to talk to us nobody was allowed to talk to the players so it's very interesting dynamic especially whenever I went and played for the Columbus crew and all that shit so it was cool and then whenever I saw Jim Mercer I came up to him and I was like boss I never unfollowed you on twitter he said i didn't unfollow you guys realize it's business though right yeah i mean we it's all business to an

extent it's like yo you guys got billions of dollars man like i mean let's can we there has to be a way but then you look at it from the n PA side. There is never one NFL PA meeting where I heard them started off with saying, you know what? We're going to try to do real business with the NFL this time. It's always like, if they do this, we're going to fucking do this. If they do this,

there's no like, Hey, let's actually try to be a, a business here. It's always like them versus us. But then again, Pat, you've got that small group of all-stars and superstars in the NFL that is

dwarfed by the everyman lunch pail guys that we don't even know their names that are 40-something on the roster. You've got those guys, right? They want to work. Superstars are like, pay me my $12 million. It should be $18 million. These guys that are making up a huge part of the rosters, the guys that we don't even know their names,

even though he's been a right guard for two years. I do know their names. Yeah, I know, I know. But I'm saying those guys are like, let's go to work, bro. I only got so many years in this league. Let's go to work. I'm not sitting out two years or waiting for the $12 million to turn to $18 million for our superstar wide receiver. And that's what happened with the salary cap.

Quarterback's salaries all went up. Everybody else's salaries went down. And then the vet men got raised like $500,000. And then the rookie men is like $400,000. And the vet men is like like 500 grand, and then the rookie men is like 400, and the vet men is like 900. And vets are just getting chopped because they're saving that 500 grand. They're like, if we cut two vets, bang,

that's an extra million dollars. We can go pay somebody else. So everything in the negotiation that they thought were helping everybody, they only helped the quarterbacks and the rookies. They didn't help everybody else in the league. It was a terrible negotiation. Terrible, terrible, terrible negotiation.

What if the NFLPA came to you when you played and said, hey, we're thinking about taking an extra 10% of everybody's pay to put it in pension funds so that everybody gets a fat pension, like a really good pension when they're eligible to retire and collect. Do you think most players would do that? Would you have done that? Everybody would do it. It's no question. But nobody's come to you to try to beef up

that pension payout. The pension is a match. 401k is matched by the NFL. 401k is very nice. The retirement pension shit is very nice with the NFL. NFL PA wise though, there's no fund that they have created. But your pension's only good because of the 401k. It's not

the pension pension. I'm not sure. I don't think I know that answer. It should be lifetime health insurance though for a player. If you strap down a helmet. These are the things. If you strap down a helmet for an afternoon, one afternoon, I don't give a flip. That sport is far too violent and far, far not for every man on earth or every woman on earth.

Health insurance for anyone. I don't fully agree with that. I think if you have one vested year,, I think... Forever? That's a long time. No, I'm talking about if you strapped on... I think if you have one vested year, which I think is five games. Then we'll say one year, okay? But I'm saying you should have health insurance

to participate on those afternoons for the NFL making money for them. Absolutely without question. I agree. If you're one vested season, I think you should. I think you absolutely should get health care forever.

Forever. Now granted, the Hall of Famers, they're like, oh, you can start with us. We can pay us $310,000 too because we're doing a lot of good. It's wild. Back up there. They did do a lot of good,

Pat. Of course they did. I mean, they did. They really did. They weren't getting crap back in the late 60s, mid-70s. These Hall of Famers, you're telling me Ray Lewis? What the fuck does Ray Lewis owe $310,000? What does the NFL owe Ray Lewis? I'm with you on the Ray Lewis Hall of Famers. Well, that's the one? What the fuck does Ray Lewis owe 310? What does the NFL owe Ray Lewis? I'm with you on the Ray Lewis, a Hall of Famer superstar. Well, that's the one who's doing it.

No, it was Dickerson. Yeah, but it's that group, though. That was that entire, that, it was the Hall. Oh, yeah, he signed on it. Yeah, that whole Hall of Fame group. But that old boy who comes up that was a, you know, who's been on the ballot for, since mid-70s, and he finally made it into the senior thing.

I'm on him getting a big bonus. That's what I'm saying. He walks with a cane up to the mic when he goes up there. That's a guy who doesn't have lifetime health insurance. They should absolutely have it. I agree with the lifetime health insurance, for sure. But I don't agree with the Hall of Famers just saying, well, it should be for us first and then for everybody else.

It's like, get the fuck out. You already sucked off the media enough. That's why you're in there, right, most of them. A lot of good players that are not in the Hall of Fame because they're not big media people. Not that I would ever want to be, but I just feel like it is another showing of the NFL players not being good business people.

It's like, it's just, I think it's bad business. I think it's bad business from top to bottom. Pat, I agree. Patriots suck this year. I've been saying it this whole time. I've been saying it this whole time. You did say in August. They look different.

You said in August after that video surfaced of them doing the kick returns at the Lyman. Which they do every year, by the way. Which they do every year, yeah. But it was the first year I saw it. I've been saying it since Super Bowl, actually. So I've been saying it since Super Bowl when I knew the Eagles were going to win. You won't hear me say one bad word about them until they're out of the playoffs.

Because you don't want them to creep up and get you. Steelers all the way back, huh? All the way back. All the way back. Couldn't have come back quicker? Never a doubt. Not a one? Never a doubt.

Not even one little doubt? Not a fucking doubt. No, there was doubt. I thought for sure. If I could have bet my entire everything that I have in my bank, so like $17. Yeah, all of it. That they would have scored on that last drive, I would have bet it.

That's just what Tom Brady does, by the way. Two minutes and 30 seconds left. Tom Brady on the field. Every single time. Need a touchdown. First and goal. This is different. This is why it's different.

It is different. Honestly, the whole time I was thinking, is Belichick going to go for two here? In my mind, I know they're going to score. My thing is, are they going to go for two and get the win? I was pretty mad at you for putting that in the air. I was also thinking that though, because the Anthony Lynn move.

I assume he would have went for two there. I don't know. Our defense is playing well. If they Tom Brady right down that field, if they just like that first pass to Edelman, I think they'd definitely go for two. I think they're like, yeah, we're clicking. We're humming right now.

This team's on the ropes. Let's go ahead and fucking stick them with a dagger. What I hate now is I'm super confident about the Saints, and now I'm just going to crumble. Rams might be done. Yeah. Goff has been playing like shit. Rams might be done. A lot of big been playing like shit. Rams might be done. A lot of big personalities.

Once big personalities start going south, things start heading quickly. Quickly, quickly, quickly. Those big damn corners they brought on are playing like dog shit as well. Gurley got banged up last night. I called him Golden State. I called him Golden State. That happens. Chiefs are falling apart.

Yeah. AFC's pretty open. I'm kind of nervous that Houston all of a sudden is going to go on a run here. You let the Colts get in there, by the way. Everybody's in deep shit. I love the Colts. The Colts might be the best team in the AFC right now. Everybody is in the deepest of shits if the Colts get into the playoffs.

Yeah, they have. I mean, offensively, they're one-dimensional. Ebron leads the NFL in touchdowns and he drops five passes a game. They just beat the Cowboys 23-0 and Luck did not score. He didn't throw a touchdown. What do you mean Cowboys? What do you mean Cowboys who? You heard me. Who?

What do you mean who? Who have the Cowboys beat? Show me someone the Cowboys have beat. They've won, what, four in a row? Five in a row. Five in a row, including the Saints. Colts don't have any weapons. Yeah, T.Y. Owen just got another 1,000 yards. Eric Ebron is the number one tight end. Now we have a running game.

And Marlon Mack is running. Who again? I'm not worried about the Colts yet. Not even a little bit. No, not a chance. Not a chance. Who are you fucking worried about? You lost to the Dolphins.

I'm worried about the Chargers and the Chiefs. Chargers are real. Chargers are legit. Chargers are a real problem. They're getting everyone back next year, too. Oh, yeah. They definitely look beatable. I mean, they're coming from behind a lot.

Yeah, without Melvin Gordon, they look beatable. But once Melvin Gordon steps back on that field, that offense is absurd from position to hit. I'm going to say don't sleep on the Steelers right now. I've lost confidence in all these teams that were the powerhouses. I think the Steelers are going to win it all. Get out of my face, Seth. The Steelers are going to win the Super Bowl this year.

And I just fucked you so hard. We'll put my entire sentence in context. That a boy, Todd. No, I was just fucking about the Colts. You were just being mean to Connor earlier, so I wanted to get you back. You think Boz makes more kicks? No.

You don't think he does? No, after I saw him tossing his fucking helmet in the pregame. Like, it's pre. What do you think Boz makes more kicks? No. You don't think he does? No. After I saw him tossing his fucking helmet in the pregame. Like, it's pre. What do you think? You don't think that type of anger carries into the pregame? No, no, I do. No, I don't think it was anger. I think it was frustration.

Like, I can't fucking do it. That's why he's throwing his helmet in the pregame. That 32-yarder looked bad. Yeah. But then he banged that 48-yarder right down the pipe. Fucking pure. It was good from 60. So it's not like that kick's just going.

He's like, all right, I'm done. I think it could. I'm saying I hope it does. I think it could right down the pipe. Fucking purity. It was good from 60. So it's not like that kick is just going like he's like, all right, I'm done. I think it could. I'm saying I hope it does. I think it could, by the way. That's a next stroke, best stroke type situation. That's like a good juju

going into the week here at practice. That's a high note. That was to beat the Patriots. I saw some guy yesterday on Twitter. He's like, yeah, every once in a while

I hit a great fucking drive. 330 right down the middle and then I shanked the next one. That guy also not a professional answer. Yeah. That guy doesn't kick for the fucking Steelers. What can make you once in a while I hit a great fucking drive, 330 right down the middle, and then I shanked the next one. That guy also not a professional athlete. Yeah, there's a kick for the fucking Steelers. What can make you mad in pregame? What's that?

What can make you mad in pregame that you smash your helmet? When you're missing it and when you just can't figure it out. If you saw the game, they showed the clip of him missing the kick. Basically the same as the field goal that he missed, and he smashed his helmet right in the middle of the field. It's got to be frustrating. People are watching. I wonder what he's going through.

He's going through some stuff. Feels. He's going through some stuff. Do you call psychologists for that? Do you get a psychologist? I would if I was him. They brought in Sushi to be his kicker psychologist. I don't know how that helps, by the way. I don't know how that helps. It's like when golfers change swing coaches, maybe.

But were him and Sweeney tight? He took his job. He took Sushi's job. That's what I'm saying. Was he tight with him? That'd be interesting if Vinatieri hits a little bit of a lull. We bring Stover in, Matt Stover in. I assume the only way they would bring him in if they had a relationship before.

Yeah. Seems like that would be the case. Or at least they'd ask him. You're expecting a lot of people if that seems to be the case. Like, asking Boz, like, do you like Sweezum? You don't think Boz asked for him? You think it was specifically the him? I don't know. It was like the way it went down. Sweesham got hurt trying to make a pre-game.

Tackle Hall of Fame game. Hall of Famers. There wasn't really any bad blood. He was still on the roster the entire year. So maybe he was helping them then. Hey Pat, is Vinatieri comfortable? I mean, season in, season out. I'm being serious. When you're talking about job, you have your job.

But is he one game away of butchering four field goals where they're saying, fuck it, we're moving on? Do you think that? And I'm talking about a Hall of Fame kicker. I think he acts that way. He acts that way. But not reality. But no way it's reality.

Vinny could go miss his next 20 kicks and wouldn't cut him. But in his mind, Vinatarian misses one in practice, he feels as if he's probably going to get cut. Like one miss in practice is a full-on pissed-off situation. But that's what's the difference, you know, is that non-comfortable, chip-on-the-shoulder feel at all times. Go for all special teamers, including long snappers? I think everyone on the team.

Unless you're an elite player on the team. You've got a lot of motherfuckers that run 4-2s their entire life who have just been studs everywhere they go, and then they get to the NFL and they're not. Their backups are special teamers, and it's like, yeah, they don't really. They're like, yeah, well, I'm supposed to be here. One thing that makes me feel good about Boz is he's going 0-23. He deleted his Twitter.

We're focused strictly on kicking. That's a big deal, right? I think he had his boy. I think he had somebody in his squad pregame, gave him a little texty text. Hey, I missed one motherfucking kick tonight. You delete that entire Twitter, Instagram.

You get rid of it all, man. I don't want to see it. I can't even imagine his Twitter after that missed field goal. Dude. I can't even imagine. I'm sure there were death threats. Just rude. Definitely death threats.

Oh, yeah. 100% death threats. Just rude stuff coming from Yenzers, too. And that's the shit you just don't need when you're trying to figure it out. No. It's not like he's going out there like, ah, fuck it. He's trying. He's actively trying to be better.

But you know what? Maybe him getting away from the toxic mentions, which I'm assuming are plenty. Yes. Just get away from him. Maybe just go disappear for a little bit. Get that mind right. Get the old disappear.

Maybe a little music. Maybe some vitamins. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Go kick vitamin. If Chris Boswell is listening, go ahead to that UPMC indoor facility down there on the south side.

Get vitamin up and just kick kick and just figure it out. I did it in that same building. There's a lot of room in there. Maybe get some music, get a plug-in, get a plug-in to the speaker system of the whole building, put on some tunes in there, and just go figure it out. Let old Boz figure out old Boz. Have a little fun.

By the way, and if you can't do it in there think about just hopping in a car and just having to fuck out I went into the Colts facility when the new regime came in I was told that I have to learn how to directional punt or I'm gone this is on my contract year

so I'm going into my contract year learn how to directional punt or you're gone because we're already signing somebody who knows exact words. That was a special teams coach. First words he said to me. That's your guy though, I thought. Yeah, yeah, my guy. So he says

first conversation he says that to me. And I'm like, okay, I guess I'll learn how to do that. He said, also lose weight. You look terrible. And I was like, wow. I said, are we trying to look good or be good? You said are we trying to are we trying to look good or be good you know what i mean are we trying to look good or be good uh he said well looking apart is a huge part of it i was like well we're fucked looking at you right and i like laughed i like gave him a laugh i thought we were joking he was like and why don't you go watch some film of guys that are good and i was like this fucking guy so i walk out of his

office right i walk out of his office. I walk out of his office. I go into the locker room. I go to Vinny. I'm like, have you met the new special teams coach? He's like, no. I'm like, he's a joy, man. He might treat you differently, but it seems like he's a real fucking cocksucker. And Vinatieri goes in there, and Vinny talks to him.

I guess he told Vinny that he needed Vinny to start doing these drills and shit. Vinny comes back out. He's like, that guy's going to be tough. I was like told Vinny that he needed Vinny to start doing these drills and shit. Vinny comes back out. He's like, that guy's going to be tough, tough, tough. But I, it helped me out immensely learning how to directional punt.

But I went into the Colts facility at like 1230 at night. One time I couldn't sleep. It was, uh, I think it was, I think it was right before season or during season. I don't know. It was,

I checked in with the, the, we didn't have a security front door. We only had one guy that sat in a car and he slept basically right so we didn't have a gate at the time so i go in i park my car in the back i the door was open i knew the open door i get in i have my little thing and i turn on the lights i have music playing in there it's just me in the facility like 12 30 12 45 a.m and i'm just kicking having a good time i'm figuring it out pounding things off the roof and that security guard comes in like eyes like he just woke up everybody knew the guy and

he goes uh he's on the phone he goes oh it's just mcafee and i look over and i go oh what's up man he goes yeah i don't know how long are you? And I was like, ah, hopefully not that long. Hopefully not that long. I could stay in here for him if you want. Yeah. All right. He goes, I'm going to head out to the car. He's like, let me know if you need anything.

I was like, you got it. It was like a really cool. That's like a scene out of a movie. It was. A guy goes there in the middle of the night, flips on the lights himself, and just starts fucking banging balls. Well, I was trying to learn how to directional punt because they did bring in a guy who knew how to directional punt and that guy was legitimately thought he was going to take my job and i didn't directional punt i just hit the ball far because i didn't know how

to punt so i was just trying to figure it out as we go and that kid this kid was a terrible punter but he was definitely a better directional so it was very difficult for me to like sit there because i could just stand like 20 30 yards behind that guy and launch balls the way he launches and land at the same spot right but directional is a whole different ball game so i like really it was going into my contract year two i'm like fuck of course me and that guy ended up getting along a little bit more special teams guy a, a little bit. He left the Colts quickly. When you saw McManus, remember they brought in McManus to take off the pressure off of Benatari's leg, what, training camp?

Brandon McManus, yeah. Did you see him as a seven-year guy who's going to be on the same team? Yeah, he lived in my house for a little bit. Me and Brandon McManus got along well. I had to teach him how to not party on specific evenings. Really? Yeah, like, hey, if you're going to kick tomorrow, let's show up in good spot.

Brandon McManus and I used to have a good time together. He loved his time in Indianapolis. I feel like we taught him a lot. Cody Parkey, too, now part of the NFC North champions. Good for him. Chicago Bears. Good for your Bears, by the way. Feels good.

It should. Oh, yeah. You guys are a good football team. But, yeah, all those guys that come in we they have such big everybody can kick the ball for us just whether or not mentally they can figure it out and i honestly think that's what whenever people come into our training camp that was what we obviously watching vinatieri is a huge deal but i feel like mentally we got guys to a good spot like hey this is what this is how this all rolls here. You're either going to do this or you're not.

You know, that type of thing. I wanted to talk to Boz bad like two weeks ago. Bad, bad. Never reached out. Do you think that's what Seabass was thinking? We're either going to do this or we're not? He's been in the league for 18 years. Seabass's normal move is the fake hammy.

Seabass normally runs and then fakes the hamstring and like bobbles, and then the guy runs by, and then he like kind of walks it off, and he's like, oh, okay, that was good. Seabass is a notorious I'm going to get out of here situation. But I think he showed that guy a lot of respect. He thought the guy was coming faster, you see. He thought he was coming faster. He just so happened to be, and then the guy just ran around.

I'm surprised he didn't give a fucking high five. You got it, man. You got by them. You're good. Hey, that guy is ran around. I'm surprised he didn't give a fucking high five. You got it, man. You got by them. You're good. Hey, that guy is hysterical. I mean, let's be honest. Seabass, if he tries there, gives 100%. He's still not making it.

Yeah, what are the chances he was going to stop him? Seabass is like 260, 270. That's what I'm saying. He puts a little bit of. Just get in the way. A little bump. J.K. Scott, the Packers guy, literally did a chest bump to a guy tackle him. I think Seabass could have done that, but if Seabass gets hurt there,

I mean, that's a huge travesty for the fucking Seahawks there. You know what I mean? Yeah. JK looks like he's been stuffed in a locker a few times. I think so. He was just standing there. He's good at kicking. I'm happy he's good at kicking balls, honestly,

because he's fun and you get it. He was standing there completely flat-footed, just feet completely together, just standing 14 yards behind the snapper, straight up and down. I had never seen a less athletic stance in my life, my entire life. And then he catches it. He kind of bobbles it. He prances two steps, and then he just swings, and then he jogs. jogged he's an interesting cat that guy there is zero aggression in that guy's life zero aggression zero explosiveness really he's just a fucking bomber though loves doing yoga yeah he was

willing to leave uh during like the second quarter of a game earlier this year because you know the birth of his kid gorman you're a guy with no kids say you're a punter for the green bay packers yeah still in it kind of your team nobody has given up hope on your team just yet things are looking positive your wife potentially giving birth night of game if she's going to give birth would you leave game at halftime honey i love you so much get your sister on facetime and I'll be there for you, alright? That's what I'm going to say. I'm going to go in the medical tent.

In the blue tent? J.K. Scott is giving birth? If she's spitting out the kid, I'll say, Coach, I need five minutes with my wife. Her sister's running FaceTime. I'll be ready to kick. Just grab me. That's a good idea, actually. Oh, I thought you wanted to give birth in the blue tent. Well, he is. It's a two.

He's there on the other end of the FaceTime thought you wanted to give birth in the blue tent. No, no, no, no. Well, he is. It's a two. Yeah, yeah. It's a two. It's a paint. He's there on the other end of the face. I thought she would be in the blue tent. Maybe it's a projector in the blue tent of the whole scene. He just walks in, maybe sits down. Call me if you need me.

Cross me. Mason, come on. It's kind of cool. It's kind of cool, actually. It's about to come out. It's about to come out right now. Can we go? Third and long.

Third and long. I'll be right back. I's about to come out right now. Can we go? Third and long. Third and long. I'll be right back. I said something about that when it happened. I would have never in a million years left, ever in a million years left. And I got some tweets from people like, oh, he wasn't going to leave. The Packers were just being nice to have an extra plane for him.

I'm like, oh, yeah, the Packers just offering up fucking 100 grand. He's being very nice to being very fucking nice. The NFL season never stops, man. It's awesome. It's absolutely beautiful. I'll, uh,

I think that's all we got here. All right. Thank you all so much for listening today. I hope you enjoyed your time with us. Joe Thomas, big thanks to him. AQ Shipley as well. To all the boys in the office.

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probably off to a good start i don't do a lot of the voting on a lot of these things but i'll tell you what my voice carries a lot of weight in these situations you make me laugh we'll keep it moving i appreciate you all now um ty schmidt hit the phone calls from earlier hello it's working it's working hey what's your name where you're calling from brian and champagne hey merch idea genius how's the wife how's the family they're doing good how are you guys good good so we're not officially live right now but we will be recording this for tomorrow i think the world would love to hear what brian and champagne has been cooking up from a merch standpoint life standpoint everything along those lines brian my god the pressure's on huh yes a lot of pressure by the way we haven't heard this

is your only at bat here for about four months now this is your only effect right what about uh get out of the way there is something backing up towards you, Brian It's Christmas time I'm out here playing the role of Santa Claus You're done, we got another call I mean, the real Santa Claus wears brown Oh, I agree with that I agree with that

You UPS guys kick a lot of ass out there Let's not ruin anything for the kids Obviously Scott Calvin. But our small business needs your brain, Brian. We've been missing it. I think you guys went the wrong way with the Cowboys. The Dallas Cowboys cheat code shirt, you should have put Jason Garrett and Jerry James on there. You think so?

How come? Yeah, because they cheat us out of a great season every year. Jesus. Are you a diehard Cowboys fan? Yeah, and I almost tweeted Todd yesterday to take a bet on the

Cowboys-Coats game. Thank God I didn't. Yeah, you guys got a fucking steamroll, cuzzy. Yeah, it wasn't good. Yeah, it wasn wasn't great brian neither is that sound again brian i miss you i appreciate you tell your wife we said hello will you will do thanks guys appreciate it merry christmas so what happened back there you think he was getting a truck was backing up into him i think he was delivering packages with uh bluetooth hitting this yeah that's what I'm thinking. So we got a call right there in the middle.

Is that from somebody who called in this line? Yeah, it's someone new. We're back. I'm excited for this. It's a good system we got. Hello, what's your name? Where are you calling from? Hey, I'm Jake from Champaign.

Illinois. Illinois, yep. I think I just heard from a guy delivering some shit to you. Jake, Brian in Champaign, Illinois just called. We know Will in Champaign, Illinois. I think we need to do a show in Champaign. I'm a big buddy with Will. Me and Will know each other.

How's Crack the Egg came first? Oh, my God. Some of the best frigging food ever. Let me tell you. No free pubs here. No free pubs. I'm happy to hear it's going well. What are you up to, man? What do you want to talk about?

I didn't have too much, man. I'm getting a little bit of a late lunch. You know, it's 1.30 my time over here, so. What are you having for lunch? Oh, boy, Todd. I'm having some fucking Sonic.

Oh. Poor choice. A little chili dog, chili dog cheeseburger. Call him some sheep. You don't have to pile on with it. Jesus. I will say that commercials run its course

with the two guys. It was good for a minute. Surprise here. I don't hate him. I like him too. I'm on your side. I think the guy makes me laugh. I hate everyone else. I don't hate those guys I think the guy that makes me laugh. I hate everyone else. I don't hate those guys.

I don't think I've ever had a Sonic anything in my entire life. I don't think I've ever. But I do know that they hire funny fucking guys to run their thing. There was one at that one mall we never went to. I don't know, 28. Yeah, see? We never traveled out there. I am shocked you guys like those two jabronis.

I knew it would. I can't believe it. I think it's because they purposely go over the top. The guy sitting shotgun? Top five commercial guy of all time. See, I don't mind him as much as the guy driving. The guy driving, I really don't like. Oh, they don't switch places? They change the driver.

I don't think so. I think it's the same guy. Same guy, yeah, yeah. Same guy. They've been mixing it up. They added the two ladies the one time. I didn't see that. It's not being terribly i don't

think i've ever seen the guy sitting shotgun though is the top five commercial guy in history we can talk about the fucking uh havoc mayhem is a great mayhem is a electric awesome yeah genius idea by the i'm a phone that just you're just sitting on the lap and then the guy dies basically uh flow is definitely in there flow is definitely in there you gotta go with uh the gecko from geico yes for sure bro he showed up last night in the middle of a game and just was leaning on a mug at one point and then he tried something was too spicy he goes too spicy and he just walks off the screen i was like the geico gecko just made like a two minute like like just did a two minute second celebrity didn't even talk

about geico really didn't even talk about that's what's the beauty like that commercial did is so good but if you like if i was in charge and you brought that as a pitch to the table, I'd be like, no way, we're doing it. Okay, I get it. Gecko, Gecko. But then the commercial plays, and I'm like, fucking go. They also gave him an accent. You give a little lizard an accent?

Did you not order yet? What are you ordering? I had a cheeseburger and some tot. What the fuck just... What just happened there? It felt like you were reordering her. No, no, she gave me my order and she went back to me. She skated up to his car.

Skate? Oh, yeah, yeah. They roll a butt up to the car, yeah. What? They still? I didn't know they still did that. In the winter? Not in the winter.

They definitely do in the summer. Wow. That's awesome. He just said, did she skate it up to you? No, she didn't. She walked it out. Oh, bullshit. Cutting't. She walked it out. Bullshit.

Cutting back. Not my fucking Sonic. That commercial's not playing as well as it used to. If you're not getting the burger covered with chili cheese and Fritos, you're doing it wrong. What? That's an option? Oh, yeah. That sounds amazing.

I've never had Sonic. Always one of the slushes. The slushes in the commercial. Yeah, they talk about the ice. Always. Yeah, yeah. It's some special recipe or something. Have you ever been to 7-Eleven? Yeah, they talk about the ice. Always, yeah. It's some special recipe or something. Have you ever been to 7-Eleven?

Yeah, I've been to 7-Eleven once or twice. Then you've had them. That you've never been. To where? To Sonic. No, I have. I said I never went to that one.

What do you got around town for the rest of the day, bub? I'm studying for finals. I'm a college student. Nice. I don't want to study at all. What year are you? You don't have to.

I'm a junior. I'm studying mechanical engineering. Mechanical engineering. Sounds like you're probably going to fail that one. It feels like you've got to study for that one. That one feels like you've got to study. Don't worry about it, by the way. I just saw a stat.

I think it's $1.2 trillion worth of student debt. It's the most in the history. So don't even worry about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're just adding to a stat. Let me see. They have the stat on... I've got a third of it.

I think it was $1.2 billion or trillion. Trillion. I think it's trillion, yeah. In student loan debt. Trillion. I think it's trillion, yeah. In student loan debt. They got everybody in this thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We were just going to pay it to China.

They got me. They got you. They got me. They got you. They got me. They got everybody because they told you that you couldn't become anything unless you go and get loans from us. Yeah, they were right because without my English degree, I don't think I'd be sitting here today.

You know. I thought about sending a pub to work at Arby's for like a month so you guys know what it's like. I wanted you guys to have to earn it a little bit. Should I go work at the Sonic? Yeah, but you better be on your fucking skate. Hey, good luck on that test, man.

Take out my loans to party. What'd you say, you? I said I didn't take out my loans to party, though, Pat. Oh, a little judgmental there from the Sonic guy. I don't know. His job paid pretty fucking well at the end. I appreciate you, man. Good luck on your test.

If I was to say, what is mechanical engineering anyways? So basically anything that involves a moving mechanical system or something that goes together. We have to be on the quiet then, right? Anything like involving cars, involving assembly lines that make cars. I think it's a good gimmick. Anything that moves, any sort of mechanical thing that moves, just nothing that deals with wires or electricity Well I'm worried about That guy gave a good answer there I have no idea what he said

Because we're talking about that ringtone right there Bridges, he built bridges Glorified architect Hey we appreciate you calling in man Good luck out there Hey you too Pat, thanks a lot Hey thank you man, see ya Yeah I can Go do well on your final. Hey, you too, Pat. Thanks a lot. Hey, thank you, man. See you.

Yeah, I can't mute it because then it'll mute the caller too. That's a good timing. Good timing. Hey, what's your name? Where are you calling from? Hey, it's British Will. How's it going? British Will, we just got three calls from Champaign.

Only calls from Illinois. Hey, we've gotten three calls from Champagne Illinois thus far, Will, and we've gotten two commercial for Crack the Egg Came First already. Jesus Christ. That's lovely, that, isn't it? It was awesome. It was really good. Will, how have you been?

I miss that British voice of yours. I'm good. I'm good. I don't miss my British voice. I say it every fucking day. How have you been, lads? Everyone's keeping well? Everybody's keeping well.

It's personality season right now at the office. We've got a lot of big boys here beefing up for the weight loss competition. I don't know if you've heard about that. We've got another one coming in. I have, yeah. Some of us don't need to be football. We're already a little bit large. So, yeah, keep it going, lads.

Keep piling those pounds so you can lose it, innit? Hey, Todd. Todd almost had a stroke on stage on Saturday. Yeah. Doing one of his... Wait, seriously? Yeah. Keep it going, lads. Keep piling those pounds so you can lose it, innit? Hey, Todd. Todd almost had a stroke on stage on Saturday. Yeah. Doing one of his... Wait, seriously? Yeah. I got pretty animated up there and almost passed out.

Hey, hey, hey. And that's how we know it's working, Todd. I almost took the drive. I almost witnessed it dying, I guess. Yeah, you should have. Well, as long as... Will, how is the sandwich company coming? It's good.

It's good. I've just literally closed the truck to torture you, lads. So I've made that sacrifice. But, well, we might be getting a store up in Chicago shortly. So it's pretty exciting times. That's awesome. You will. Moving on up.

We hope you crush it. We're going to go to the next caller. But know that we're going to do this on a much more regular basis. And we'll give you the number to call right in. Yeah, that would be great, lads. Thanks a lot. Take it easy. Thank you, Will.

Cheers, mate. Hey, anything happen in England that we need to know about? Everybody hates that princess. Why does everybody hate that princess? Well, everyone hates the fucking bitch that's running the country at the minute, and that's not the queen. It's the fucking, the equivalent of, well, I don't even know. Not the president.

Silver Fox cunt. The prime minister? What happens? What happened? Well, she's, like, fighting for a job again or some shit, and everyone's turning against her, and, like, she's just contradicting herself. It's a load of bollocks, mate.

There'll be a civil war soon, I reckon. In England? Yeah, probably. I mean, I'm not there, so I don't really care too much, to be honest. Is it Queens people versus Presidents people?

I don't know, mate. All I do, I do what Diggs and a few of the other boys do now. I just literally read the headline and speculate. That's the internet,

by the way. That's the entire internet. Hey, little tip. Join the North if that happens. Always. Always defend the North, by the way. That's the entire internet. Hey, little tip. Join the North if that happens. Always. Always defend the North, dude. Will, we appreciate you.

But yeah, they hate that princess. I didn't know. There's also something, Will, I don't know if you know anything about Brexit, but I'm seeing a lot of Benedict Cumberbatch and a lot of Brexit commercials. What does that have to do with England? Is it correct? Yeah, they love Brexit. Yeah, Brexit.

So they want us they want us to so it's basically leave the eu or not they'd be like just ourselves again so it's all the old fuckers that are like in their old ways they're like yeah fuck europe fuck all the immigrants and all this and let's just be our own again and then the youngins are being like no we need to stay in the eu so it's like i don't know what come about you or come a dick or whatever it means to him. Because it's like, he should be all about the EU. He should be all about it. But not my place to say anything.

I thought Brexit happened like two years ago. Yeah, there was a big party. Didn't you guys have a big party a couple years ago for the Brexit thing? Yeah, yeah. So apparently it's like months and months of conversations at well years obviously now um for it to go through but then some little uh timmy big dick just wants to be like no we don't want it to go through so i'm not throwing the cog in the works but yeah i'm sure someone if this goes on the show tomorrow someone will tweet me and be like you're talking bollocks

well you don't know what you're talking about. I could be talking bollocks. That happens every show, Will. Our show is filled with bollocks. We appreciate you, Will. Thank you so much, man. Take it easy, boys. Cheers. Bollocks is such a great word.

Oh, it's awesome. Bullshit, right? I love good words. Bloody hell, I really wish he dropped one of those. What does bloody hell mean? He's also allowed to use the C word, which is awesome, too. So are we. Yeah, you are, I guess are we yeah you are i guess

i guess you are yeah yeah go ahead repercussions there is yeah exactly freedom of speech freedom we actually had a conversation this weekend with a bunch of girls that they would rather be called the c word than bitch really i think those girls are not speaking for a majority of women that doesn't sound right at all substantiated substantiated. I agree, though. I agree with it. You agree with them? With that group that told you that? Yes. I just don't think it's accurate, though. I think I would rather be called the C-word than the B-word.

That's what I'm thinking, too. No way. What do you mean, no way? For sure. Listen to how we say the C-word. We're saying the C-word. We're not saying the B-word. That's because I don't want repercussions. That's why we're saying the C word. We're saying the C word. We're not saying the B word. That's because I don't want repercussions. Exactly.

Exactly what you're saying is why that word is out. But he's talking about repercussions from you, not from everyone. But there would also be that. Yeah, there's repercussions from the world. I don't think so. Not anymore. Go tell Sally McAfee.

Well, that's different. I think she wouldn't mind that one so not anymore. Yeah. Go tell Sally McAfee. Oh, that's different. I'm not going to call her bitchy. I think she wouldn't mind that one you just said there. You tossed around that punt word. I playfully call my girlfriend the B word all the time. You know, in a playful manner. If I try to do that with the C word, yeah, right. I'm going to wake up.

She's a transplanter, so I'm going to wake up without a kidney. A bunch of staples on my side. Well, I'd like to use the C word, not at somebody. Just more like, hi, what's your name? Where are you calling from? What would you like to talk about, bitch? I don't know what to do. I am Colin Cunningham. I'm living right now close to Chicago, suburbs of Chicago.

Colin, I'll tell you what, you didn't deserve what you were just called there, but it was literally right on cue for a conversation. Is this number only working a little bit? Let's go, Cousy. Colin, what do you do in Chicago? I'm working for the Schaumburg Boomers, actually. They're in the Frontier League nice they actually play your team

up there in Washington you know we almost won the championship we're just one game short next year this off season we're going to really button some stuff up this off season we're going to come back with a whole new fucking squad we'll move Pat to center we'll see

I actually work how many games are in the Frontier League Whole new fucking squad. Don't move Pat to center. Yeah. We'll see. I actually work. What's that? How many games are in the Frontier League season? Oh, fuck. There's 48 home games. So what's that mean? 96, I think.

Wow. 96. 96. Man. Yeah. So there's, you know, baseball's a long sport. Are there three-game series? In the playoffs? Yeah, for like your road trip?

I think they're random. I think there's like two and then there's four home series at some time. That's a lot of bus trips. Yeah, you guys ride buses the whole time? Well, yeah, they do. I don't travel with the team. Oh, get you better what do we need to do we need to swing the bat harder we need to throw the ball further we need to catch a little better maybe a little bit better chirping in in the uh bullpen we we got some chirpers in here digs

professional chirper digs see that you probably you even drop in there when i barked. You bought that in there. Now you're in the bullpen. Now you're in the what? No kidding. I think I could be a bullpen catcher, though. Circle. Dugout. You're on the dugout.

I do have a hot take, though, Pat. Writing it down. Calling from Chicago. The guy that doesn't travel with the Frontier League but works for him. Yeah. Okay. I don't think you're going to like this. I don't think Ty Smith's going to like this.

But my hot take, I don't think the Packers are going to win, be in the playoffs for the next three years. Oh, my God. Aaron Rodgers and the Packers are playoff list. That's a hot take right there. Why do you think that? Because the Chicago Bears are so good right now Well

That too and I'm a Vikings fan too So it's obviously biased But I don't think Rodgers They have a good team And it's just Rodgers and then All these no name guys Are you saying that Aaron Rodgers isn't a good football player? No I'm saying Rodgers is

Probably the best quarterback in the league But the other 52 guys, Pat. Go on. Sorry. New England Patriots fan, obviously. Yeah, Boston Conner, Tom Brady. Don't listen to him. He's dead. Yeah, the Patriots

have lost more games in a row than the fucking Vikings or the Packers, I think. That's true. We lost four games in a row. The whole fucking world collapses. No, but I'll ask another question about the Packers. As of all, Pat. Well, two in a row. What's your opinion?

I don't know if you know a Packers punter. I don't know his name. Something Ryan, I think. J.K. Scott. Yeah, that guy. He's the only punter in the league that doesn't jump or extend his non-kicking leg or whatever. How is that a thing? i don't know if he's

the only one i think there's a couple guys that potentially yeah that stay planted when that's because their legs are so long and they're so flexible they don't have to jump to get the extension they're able to do it just by swinging the leg yeah i had to jump very high because i can't touch my fucking toes so i had to get get the ball. I had to jump for it. Yeah, absolutely. That's a wildly hot take. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to respond to it. The Vikings, what if the Vikings are good at football all of a sudden, though?

They fired that offensive coordinator. They put up 41. That's a lot of points. They put up 41 points. And Dalvin Cook was back in the game, too. Yeah, he's finally coming back. Hey, I appreciate your call, Colin. You're the man.

He was injured that whole first half. Goal boy. Okay, but the Vikings looked good, though. And I think that type of thing refreshes a team. A little bit of a change from the norm where you got the same thing, you got the same meeting, same coach, same this, same this, and start you get into a rut you have no clue what to do just a little fresh a little shake up a little bit shake up the house a little bit it's just like you're coming into a new workplace there's a new voice in the meeting there's a new walkthrough style maybe there's a

new thing i think that helps a lot i think it helped with vikings i think it helped with nick foals i think it have helped out a lot with Nick Foles does that make everybody else kind of look around and say hey we all need to step up individually here if they're getting rid of coaches I think there is like a maybe should straighten up like uh let's tighten up maybe because you kind of get in that lame duck situation right whenever you know somebody's going to get fired it becomes a lame duck situation where it's like okay we're just waiting and waiting and waiting that's why I don't mind the midseason fires because most of the coaches who have coached in the NFL have probably been fired a good 10 to 20 times in their lives,

so they've experienced it before. That's the way the business is. But whenever you do it midseason, it can offer like a fucking nice refresher for the team. Like, okay, everybody get back on course here. Let's recenter everything basically around a new vision. I like the move. I like the move. The Aaron Rodgers one, they didn't bring – on course here let's let's re-center everything basically around a new vision i i don't i like the move i like the move the aaron rogers one they didn't bring i mean philbin's good philbin's

good but if you bring in like an offensive mastermind right that that's going to take an off season do you dump the whole playbook like the whole offensive playbook or do you keep the same just add a couple plays same i think you'll have aaron rogers they're going to go to aaron rogers's offense as opposed to a new offense for Aaron Rodgers. But if it was any other quarterback, I don't think the offense coordinator would be scared to bring in their own guy. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Bring in a quarterback that knows it. That's why Sanchez gets these gigs because he knows the offenses, so he gets to go there. In the Vikings situation where they fire the offensive coach, the defense for the Vikings, I mean, they had nine sacks. They let up 10 points. When you fire the – I mean, they just beat us. That's what he was saying.

When you fire the offensive coach, does the defense usually step up or vice versa? Steelers lost to the Raiders. Dolphins are 1-6 on the road now. I don't want to talk about the Dolphins. I'm still very not over the Miami special now. Miami miracle. You were saying something, by the way. If you fire the offensive coach, does the defense as a unit say hey who cares what they're doing we need to go out and

have a game and like does that happen really i don't know about that i think the whole team i think it's a whole team thing i don't know if specific sides like if the defensive coordinator gets fired i'm not sure the offense is going to play harder to be honest the offense might be like thank god like it's about time we've been fucking balling yeah okay you know what i mean or if it's like the other way because everybody has to remember the offense practices with the offense and meets with the offense and talks with the offense in the defense meets with the defense in practices with the defense and talks with the defense the only time they come together are team meetings and special teams meetings everything other than that they're competing against each other it's like two

it's literally two different units inside of the thing so they both got their own shit to handle but they're at the end you're together obviously you want your guys to win and your guys lose but it's easy to see why situations like jaylen ramsey and blake bortles happen richard sherman russell wilson whenever you can tell there's a big personality on defensive side of the ball and they're paying big money on the offensive side of the ball, because the only time they come together is seven-on-seven team events. I'm sure there was a lot of shit being talked about

Russell Wilson and about Blake Bortles by that defense, because they're basically two different teams. You come together in a special team's room, we don't know each other's names, okay, we block for punts, we never played punt team before, but then other than that, you're separate basically the whole time. Cornhole, together get your ass kick ping pong same thing dice games dice games will bring some people together from opposite sides but mostly it's all

uh makes sense dbs eat with the dbs too like that's just the way it goes everybody they're on their own little unit it's a pretty interesting little thing it's a pretty interesting little culture inside of it's like two teams that's why i remember the titans is probably the most popular football movie amongst football players if i had to guess because that is a very that's a real thing that people is a linebacker's table like that yeah you don't see here yeah you don't yeah there's it's not linebackers like this is a defensive table, a defensive table, stuff like that. You see a lot of black dudes sitting alone with no white people there. I would love going into that table and just sitting right in there.

What are we talking about? What are we talking about? Outside of locker room, there's a- So friend-wise, too? You just become friends with people on defense? Yeah, you become friends with people you hang out with. So probably in your position group the most. But outside of locker room, guys aren't hanging out much because guys don't go you become friends with people you hang out with. So probably in your position group the most.

But outside the locker room, guys aren't hanging out much because guys don't go out much. Nowadays, nobody goes out anymore. Except for like a position group dinner or something like that where people go out. You don't really see people out much. Those dice games bring people together. And they banned them. They banned them.

In all the NFL? Yeah, they banned them in all the NFL after, what's his face, from basketball, showed up with two guns. Yeah, I was going to say. No, it wasn't Jarrett Smith. Gilbert Arenas. Gilbert Arenas. It was a gambling debt for like $100,000.

He showed up with two guns. In the locker room. So then everybody panicked, and they were like, hey, no more gambling in the locker room. Did you see what happened with Gilbert Arenas? And I was like, yeah, but that's really the only time you get this whole team. Hey, I understand what you're saying, and I don't want that either, but it's the only time the whole team is really together

and chirping each other. It's pretty cool. It's always one guy ruins it for you. Gilbert Arenas making so much money, too. So much money. Gilbert Arenas ruined it for the NFL, too. It's unbelievable. One guy brings a gun.

Two guns. Two guns. One guy brings a gun. Two guns. Two guns. One guy brings two guns. Dude, just a dice game breaking down on the floor, it's the best time ever. It is. It's like a cock fight almost. You're all jumping around, yelling shit. It really is the best.

And I'll tell you what, we had some guys who were some entertaining rollers. Entertaining rollers. Some very athletic. Spice Adams just did a video the other day of all the different rollers. And he went through like seven or eight of them and he was spot on. It is a full show in those things. And it got banned because Gilbert Arenas brings guns. Wait, Todd, you guys did this in the police locker room too?

No. Just me and my friends. It was a big thing to me and my friends. It was a big thing to me and my friends. We would break out at a bar like my buddy owned a bar and we'd be there after hours after it closed

and just break out by the pool table. These guys run in a gambling ring. It was a different time. Different time. Different time. Good calls today.