The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 052 - #McAfeeForMNF & Robert Mathis

Episode Date: March 5, 2019

On today's show, Pat and the guys discuss the grassroots guerilla campaign to get Pat into the Monday Night Football booth that started on Twitter yesterday and ended being a top 3 trend in the United States. They also discuss their thoughts on the NFL combine and how entertaining it was, and chat about some other NFL news as we get closer to free agency and the NFL draft. They also dive in Leaving Neverland, the HBO documentary about the Michael Jackson sexual abuse allegations and how disturbing it was, whether or not this effectively ends Michael Jackson, and how it seems to tap into the same formula that has been present in some of the most talked about documentaries of the year. To close out the show, Pat welcomes Super Bowl Champion, 1st and 2nd Team All-Pro, former AFC Defensive Player of the Year and 2013 sack leader, 5x Pro Bowler, future Hall of Famer and former teammate Robert Mathis to the show. They chat about his role with the Colts now as a pass rush consultant and what he's doing with Gridiron Gang, his own football training service. They also discuss some of the guys that impressed him at the combine, how he and Dwight Freeney pushed and made each other better, whether or not he thought Pat was a good teammate, which quarterback he hated the most, and he answers some questions in the "the room wants to know" (1:05:47-1:36:39). It's a great time. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Of the week is that yesterday we were trending as a family here. All of us, plus all you listeners, for like at least six hours when we recorded this thing, we couldn't crack RIP Luke Perry, by the way. Rest in peace, Luke Perry. Couldn't get to number one because of Luke Perry, and some motivation got us for a while there. We jousted with critters, which I'm not sure any of us know what that is

on the trending thing. Fuck critters! Possibly. I mean, I do feel like we defeated them off for a while, though. But honestly, yesterday was one of the coolest days of my entire life. Awesome. We really did something awesome, and I keep saying we because the listeners at home are a huge part of this thing. This is a grassroots campaign.

Not one of us stepped foot outside, but it was a grass. It was a ground and pound of salt on the internet. Everybody tweeting hashtag McAfee for MNF. I am so thankful for you. They had to have heard us. Keep it going. They had to. Keep it going. Keep it going. Keep it going.

Let's keep pushing. Our intel is saying that they are having a meeting today about it. They are having a meeting, not about me, but about Monday Night Football in general, I've been told. So it would be nice to maybe pop in on them today as well. But if not, so thankful for what happened yesterday. At this point, I've come full circle. I was kind of with you on Friday or whatever when we were talking about this. Maybe a long shot. Like there's no shot

at it. At this point, though, I feel pretty fucking good. Hell yeah. Are you kidding? I think it's curing me. I'm still a bit sick. I think you hear the entire room is sick due to Todd being selfish coming in and bringing it to all of us. This entire weekend, I was in the dumps watching the combine.

Can't wait to talk about that. There were some really athletic freaks out there right now. That DK Metcalf character, I hope to be in the Monday Night Football booth whenever old cuzzy makes his primetime debut. I would enjoy that a lot. But let me tell you about why this ESPN thing is a long shot. So ESPN and all the mainstream networks,

they create the big names whenever players are in the league, right? You can go through your head right now and just rattle off all the big names from each team. Like, okay, these are the people that the networks have pushed. These are the people that the networks have decided to cover. These are these things, right? I am nowhere these are these things right i am nowhere near that right i am nowhere near that i got zero coverage gorman can even attest to this there was even a video on the internet of that me and gorman did whenever he worked for the colts where i came in and told him that i am no longer doing i would

like him to relay this message that i will no longer do any national interviews because I didn't get any. I didn't get a single national interview, not a single. There was one national interview, and the guy walked over to me, called me Matt Overton, and asked me what I thought about Vinatieri. That's a true story. That's during my career. He's like, so when you snap for Vinatieri, is there any nervous? I'm like, I actually said to the PR guy for the Colts, I was like,

I gave a full answer as Matt Overton. This guy walked away, and I told Kanye, I was like, I didn't even know who the fuck I was right there. He's like, what do, I gave a full answer as Matt Overton. This guy walked away and I told Kanye, I was like, I didn't even know who the fuck I was right there. He's like, what do you mean? He asked for you and Overton. I was like, well, he's going to go call Overton me then. I didn't have any push. Self-made. Honestly, Twitter

and the people that follow me on the Twitter from 140 characters to now are the only reason why I have anything. Anything at all. Why the WWE is interested at all, why I did any stand-up, why I decided to retire and move forward. Now granted, Bob and Tom helped me out a lot, and my foundation gave me a lot of fulfillment

and everything like that, but Twitter is honestly the grassroots of everything that I do, and now it could potentially be the reason why I end up in a booth, in the most prestigious booth in the history of sports. Life is a circle. Life is a circle.

You see it? No edges. No edges. It's a circle. But this would be the first time, I think, right, that the internet has had this much of a voice for something? Well, they say it's undefeated. The internet is undefeated.

We were going to find out, I guess. And I want to let you know to the haters and to the lovers out there that all this hype is for a reason. When I get in that booth, I will dominate for us. I want to let them know I will dominate. This won't be overhype, overpush, and I will let people down. No, no, no. What do we do? We'll dig our heels in the

dirt yeah and we'll go to work that's what we're going to do oh yeah we under promise over deliver that is kind of our thing now granted number three trend in the united states for like six hours is quite on my phone digs ultimate team guy decided to report hashtag monday motivation fucking bullshit hashtag it's fucking fucking fake. They do it every Monday. It's not real. Monday Motivation didn't die. There's no reason for it to be number two. What did you do? You reported it as

spam. It's a spam fucking spam tag. So Twitter rewarded him after... Yeah, they deleted it from my trend. So Diggs was like, oh, we moved it up a two. Everybody else was like, I don't think so. He's like, yeah, yeah, right there. Luke Barry, then us.

Like, oh, Monday Motivation. Oh, it disappeared because I reported it as bad. Because it's bullshit. That's what it is. Doing stuff on a Monday? Nah, I'm out. Nothing out. No thanks.

Well, we all thought that Monday Motivation was going to kind of die off in the afternoon because everybody knows Monday Motivation kind of only works in the morning. Oh, yeah. Especially on Mondays. Don't get there and work beat you down. By the way, that's- 2.30 feeling comes around. Hey, Monday Motivation had of only works in the morning. Oh, yeah. Especially on Mondays. Get there and work beats you down. By the way, that 2.30 feeling comes around. Hey, Monday Motivation had some real fucking staying power. Oh, yeah. People are feeling

Twitter cheats. I do agree. People are feeling very motivated, though, yesterday. I mean, that and on top of the passing, you know, you factor in some motivation with a death. You got a terrible combination there, but we've... Rest in peace, Luke Perry. Rest in peace, Luke Perry.

He had his time, though. Yeah, and we let him stay at one. We've just been hanging out at three. Hold on, wasn't it Richard Simmons stole us? Oh, yeah. Because they thought he was dead. Yeah, he's fake. Motherfucker, too. It was the number one podcast when we first came out.

Goddamn, Richard Simmons is fake missing. Because they were looking for him. Just hanging out in his house. Did they ever find him? Did we ever listen and see if they found Richard Simmons? I have no idea. The whole thing was a hoax. He was at his house the whole time.

He was like, I was here the whole time, guys. I didn't know. Whatever. He was just so goddamn rich. He was in one of his sections. If I become a Monday Night Football guy, 10 years from now, I'll just lock myself in the house with Sam and the dogs. Sections. If I become a Monday Night Football guy, 10 years from now, I'll just lock myself in the house with Sam and the dogs.

Number one podcast back, baby. You guys do a podcast, I'll find it. I'll keep the gate locked so you guys can, without any real guilt, say, we've not been able to get to him, we don't know where he is, you guys can do your thing. Gotta get in that booth, though.

That'd be so awesome. Hey, I honestly think there's a chance at this thing. Yeah. I do, too. Big thanks to Sports Illustrated. Yeah. Hey, Sports Illustrated really came through and was like, I don't know if they were trying to troll me or not

or what they were trying to do, but thankful to them, thankful to everybody who tweeted. Shout out Bert Kreischer, too, a friend of the show, came through. Jim Golf again, Zito called him. Hey, Zito was on blue checkmark watch yesterday for who was tweeting about us and giving us love. Rich Eisen got in on the game. Taylor LeJuan, friend of this show. AQ Shipley refused to tweet the hashtag but tweeted out his support.

Didn't know how to do it. Right under the tweet. How did he want? Yeah, Zito tagged it underneath there. I think AQ might not want Schindler. What? Wow. Because then if you do a game, you've got a lot of stories about AQ.

That's a great point. You know what, though? John Gruden buried AQ Shipley last Monday. Yeah. I think he wants anybody that maybe doesn't know anything about football. By the way, we're not pitching for me to be the only guy in there. Sure. Third guy in the booth.. Three-man crew.

Third guy in the booth. Third guy in the booth. You get somebody who knows all the X's and O's, let them do all the boring thing. I'm just here to make this a much more entertaining operation. Monday nights used to be the Super Bowl every single week. People would look forward to Monday night football. When I was playing in the NFL, even the old heads,

we all talked about like, yo, we're on Monday night football. This is just a different animal. I think it's kind of obviously lost its luster over the last couple years. It would be an honor of mine to be a part of the thing that brings it back to appointment television, must see TV, the number one show on television. And I honestly think I have the capabilities

to do it. And then you drop information bombs on fourth down. Yeah, people forget, though, that I have a little bit of knowledge as well. What else do you want? You got football knowledge. You're a master communicator. You're electric on a microphone. You want to make this show interesting and humorous and entertaining?

All pro. Pro bowler. Philanthropist. That's what we... Teammate. We launched that video last night, the 30 for 30 concept. Quite a team effort, by the way.

Great job. Tell you what, if this really happens, there might be a real 30 for 30. Oh. I think there's probably going gonna be a 30 for 30 regardless here if we kind of depends on how young it was just hope it's not like broke part two it's gonna be that could be that that's definitely gonna be a part of it no matter how this all shapes oh yeah my nose i like to live i was watching epic yachts yesterdayachts yesterday, too. Everyone's buying them. Epic Yachts. Everyone's buying them. Everyone's buying them. They're hot in the streets right now.

I've always wanted an island. Yacht is pretty much an island if you get it big enough. Yeah, you just go to whatever island you want. Well, that's what I'm saying. Then you just go out and all of a sudden,

guess what you are? Fucking chill. You're an island. You're an island. You're an island all of a sudden. You're surrounded by water. I don't know anything about boats, though.

That's the only issue. You don't need to. You get a captain. As long as they float. You get a cardboard. You get a captain and a first mate, they take care of business. Ocean scary. Get a couple guys. Look out.

Make sure you get a crow's nest. You just have a good time. It's a big ocean. A couple boat guys. You don't get a crow's nest, you're fucked. A couple security guys. Titanic. Pirates, dude.

Yeah. A couple guys with M16s. The pirates are different these days. They're still the same. The thing about boats is you don't want to own a boat. You want to be friends with the guy that owns a boat. Nah, nah. See, that's different.

That's if you're not rich. But there's got to be a size limit on that quote, right? There has to be a point where that boat gets so damn big. Yeah, that's my boat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A big one. You want one that has a name and shit. That's things for people who like, because it's expensive to dock it and afford gas.

But if you're buying a yacht, you can afford all those things. I hope I'm right. It's a nice little exercise, by the way, to continue to build your bucket list. And I do that. When I was a child, I watched Wild On. Shout out Brooke Burke. I've talked about it

numerous times. Rich and Famous. Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. I watched that. Master P with the Gold Ceilings. I mean, that's really when my life changed. Cribs. Same exact thing, yes. Oh, you mean My Ride? Yep, all those things. Not Pimp My Ride.

No, you like the movies, so we put a popcorn maker. Yeah, that's going to kill your battery. TV screens on your bumpers? Yeah, that's exactly. I watched Pimp My Ride, though let's not get wrong. I'm a fan of Exhibit the Rapper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Call it what you want to call it.

I'm an alcoholic. Drink it if you really want it. Ain't got to put no extras on it. Call it what you want to call it. I'm a fucking alcoholic. I was singing that when I was in high school. Yeah, yeah. I mean, those were the days.

We didn't know. It was a banger. Oh, you just spend all your money at a bar? Bad idea. You should probably change that. Anyways, that Monday Night Football gig would be really cool.

Awesome. Very cool. Will be. And I think, now granted, we're losing all of our leverage because we're petitioning for it when it comes to a business sense,

but who cares, man? Yeah, who cares? This is a Twitter American dream here. You know, comes to a business sense. But who cares, man? Yeah, who cares for it? This is a Twitter American dream here. This is a grassroots campaign. Yes, if we get to watch Monday Night Football together, which is basically what that is, people would be watching Monday Night Football with me, a very smart football guy,

and I assume Joe Tessitore is going to stay in there. Oh, yeah. So that's what it would be like. I think that's a whole new style of commentator. Imagine, though, if America actually gets to actively put the person they want in that position because they fought so hard for it. Goddamn election. It's going to validate a lot of people.

It's going to change the world. It's going to change the world. We're a democracy. American dream. America speaks. They go to work and they get their guy or their girl in there. It changes things forever. People champion freedom.

We really did ground and pound this thing into a patriotic operation. Oh, yeah. You're in the conversation with the suit. And you're who the people want. It's not like we're fabricating this. It's like we're paying this to be done. Zito only has like five or six bots. You can't fucking trust him.

Yeah, Zito's only got five or six burner accounts. Maybe ten? They only maybe ten. That don't that don't matter. Zito's got a lot of fake accounts to build up

his self-esteem in real life. Oh yeah. Which by the way I've seen it's been working. Whole new Zito coming in here. Oh yeah. I think it's the food too

possibly. Yeah, it's a hundred pounds more. That's what happens. I would oh my god the reaction because all the main networks were doing Yeah, it's 100 pounds more. That's what happens. I would... Oh, my God. The reaction...

Because all the main networks were doing their polls, right? Like, the Dan Patrick Show did one. I wasn't on there. Nope. The first odds that came out, I wasn't on there. Wait, you weren't on that one? Nope. Pro Football Talk wrote...

I think Florio even wrote an article. Our friend? Wait. Wasn't on there. Oh, was not. A lot of people were doing things there where they just weren't even putting me on the list, which makes no sense. I think today, yesterday, was a day where we firmly planted on the list.

Hey, take notice. Take notice. Take note. I know. You see it. I know. You see it. That's what we said.

Meanie. Mighty. Mo. Catch a tiger. Don't what we said. Meanie. Mighty. Mo. Catch a tiger. Don't hire me. Use a bunch of hoes. I think that could add to the game. You talked about the leverage standpoint, but to me, it's like sports.

It's like you get in there. You're playing for the second contract here. Yeah. You get in there. You're going to show what's what, and then boom, the payday comes. Maybe even sign a prove me contract. So think about this. Now let's start digging deep.

Let's start digging deep. Monday Night Football, obviously on Monday night. Correct. Okay. We get to said town of Monday Night Football, Saturday, live podcast Saturday night. Oh, yeah. Bang a ring.

That's a layup. Said theater in town or whatever, in said town. whatever in said town theater in said town so then sunday we got like obviously a watch party type operation yeah a little watch watch the games on sunday somewhere i don't know when the research has to come in somewhere probably during the week and then monday it's monday night football so now we turn the monday night football town into a celebration it's a full celebration so now it's back to the old So now we turn the Monday Night Football town into a celebration. It's a full celebration. So now it's back to the old days where when Monday Night Football comes to town,

hey, big deal. Hey, huge deal here. Big deal. Listen up. The biggest stage in football has just come to town. Let's enjoy it and make the most of it. I'm excited. Remember when Madden used to pull up his big-ass bus? Oh, yeah.

It was an event. It used to be an event. It should be, by the way. It's going to be that again. Will be. Monday Night Football. Who does the song now? It's Florida Georgia Line.

That's the issue. It was great when that guy sang. Was he who? Hank? Did he do something? Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

Okay, so not Hank. We're not going to get Hank. A perfect game. But maybe who's Springfield? Churchfield. Churchill. Churchill. Eric Church?

Nope. Winston? Bruce Springsteen. Nah. He sang with JT at the awards. Chris Stapleton. There it is. Maybe we can get him to do Monday Night Football.

There's no Church's name. Stapleton, no. I see. I would like to cut a promo video for each Monday Night Game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like to cut a promo video for each Monday Night Game. Oh, yeah. Like to cut a promo. Commercial or two, maybe. Think of that like in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Me just dialing up the history of Pittsburgh and why this game means so much. The city of Pittsburgh is about to go to war in Heinz Field. Bane came here and tried to tear it down. It would be incredible. I feel like grateful is a good way to describe today's conversations. Oh, yeah.

Very grateful. Very. There's something that Connor has been incredibly grateful for these past couple weekends. Connor, you've been talking about it. Oh, yeah. Every guy wants to last longer. But thinking about baseball doesn't always work.

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Yep. Oh! Oh! Let's get back to the convo. Ain't no bitch-ass AB no Yep. Oh! Oh! Let's get back to the convo. Ain't no bitch-ass AB no more. Oh! Rumors. We talked to Robert Mathis later in the day.

He addresses that. Not for Diggs or something. He was wrong. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you know. The conversation with Robert Mathis was really cool. Really cool. I think there's a lot of people pulling for me and I thank you all

With that being said, a lot happened in the NFL over the weekend A lot happened Diggs, you want to run through some shit? There was a lot of winners at the Combine We're all a little under the weather Yeah, true, we are The Concubine So Metcalf was obviously a big winner

That dude is basically T.O. recreated. Oh, that's a great comparison. He's got a nose piercing, too. I saw someone else give a comparison that he had very, very similar numbers to Kevin White. So it could go one way, it could go the other. Do they do? He just got injured. That guy got unlucky.

Yeah, WVU. West Virginia guy. I have a lot of respect. He was great in college. I mean, Kevin White was a rock. He was shins. WVU. West Virginia guy. I have a lot of respect. He was great in college. Kevin White was a rock. Out of WVU, this guy's a lock for us. Chicago Bears, tough. Tough, tough, tough.

Somebody tweeted out, is he the only person that gets his body fat percentage tested at the compound? It was the only one that was released. I don't think anybody else does. I don't think that's a real thing that happens. I've never heard anybody else's. Well, I'm just saying he might have got it beforehand and his people released it. It wasn't a combine testing of itself.

There were some reports where doctors were saying there's no way because he would be anorexic. He wouldn't be able to function the way he is. All that stuff. So there was a lot of reports that probably those numbers were it. I got down to like four point something okay at one point

I think you guys have seen the photo my head looks like an alien I have the photo I have like an eight pack I think I have the oh I might have lost it if I have it I will post it

soccer stint yeah it was whenever I was going to go play soccer I was going to go play in the MLS because the lockout was coming so I was going to go play in the MLS because the lockout was coming. So I was going to go play in the MLS, and I had to lose a lot of weight. I also had to lose weight to get the THC out of me that I was being drunk.

But I got down. I was like 203, and I think I was like 4-point something. Yeah, 4% they say is about as low as you want to go. Well, my head looked bad. It looked like a bobblehead. It looked bad. I have a photo. It looks bad.

I hope I still have that photo. If I do, I'll release it today. But that DK Metcalf looked unbelievable. Yeah, a lot of people were giving him shit because his 20-yard shuttle wasn't good. I don't know. 20-yard shuttle, he's not going to be stopping ever anyways. That guy is going one direction,

and they're throwing that ball directly towards that. The only thing I worry about that is they said he might be stiff or whatever. Anybody could be stiff, but it is something that looks like when you have all of that, that's a lot more to injure, right? That's why I try to keep my muscles to a minimum. Hard to pull a muscle you don't have.

DK Metcalf got all the muscles. Can't hurt fat. Can't hurt it. Can't hurt fat. Can't do it. I've never pulled fat before, not once in my life. I'll be excited to see how he works. The DNs and linebackers had a really good day on Sunday. Quinton Williams, I believe his name is, from Alabama, ran

fast for Sean Gary. He was the guy that said he didn't think Kyler Murray was... Never mind, right? That was him? Kyler Murray won the combine, too, by doing nothing. Just by being 5'10". 5'10 and an eighth or whatever, and all the other quarterbacks throwing pretty shitty balls on a very regular wasn't really doing great there well they say that you can't lose the combine if you're throwing if you're a quarterback we're just looking

for you to throw it's not that big of a deal but then whenever you see balls just ending up all over the place it's like i think these guys could potentially lose the combine here if they do that. Yeah. Trace Mick. Sorry. I said this, I think, during the season. He's the next Julian Edelman,

I think. Correct. That came out again a lot this week. Yep. Everybody talked about it. I want to say, I have an eye for things. Another reason why

I could potentially be a good analyst. That means something. But he was like, I want to play quarterback. Dude, just go play wide receiver and make money.

Be great. Like, who the fuck cares? All he has to do is get into a camp. And then whenever he gets into a camp, they go, hey Dude, just go play wide receiver and make money. Be great. Like, who the fuck cares? All he has to do is get into a camp. And then whenever he gets into a camp, they go, hey, can you go do this? For the look team, they'll say, for the look team, can you go do this? Griff Whalen was a safety for us for a couple weeks. Because for the look team, he played safety and was doing okay.

It's like one of those things where you kind of get in there and get low center of gravity, shifty, knows the offense because he's a quarterback, not a bad guy to have out there at wide receiver. A little bit of a slot. A lot of people got tagged today. Clowney got tagged. The workers Lawrence got tagged. Grady Jarrett got tagged. CJ Mosley did not get tagged and

Justin Houston did not get tagged so he might be let go. He got released. Justin Houston jumped us there for a couple hours yesterday because he got released. Then it came out that that was false. So they don't know yet. He jumped us for no fucking reason. Yeah. As somebody who got franchise tagged,

yet another reason why I could potentially be good for the booth, franchise player. It's such an interesting feeling because you're getting a lot of money guaranteed, but you're not getting a long-term contract, so you know you're going to have to go through all the bullshit again in yet another year. But at least you know that the team wants to pay you a certain amount of cash for real

the only thing about delaying deferring the concentration on it to another year basically it's like all right we'll concentrate on this next year sometimes and not me because i didn't really have any agents but sometimes you can tell that agents are in people's ear though like hey there's about to be because whenever you sign a franchise tag, there's a period where you can negotiate. So it's like right before training camp, there's a period you can negotiate. Once you get past that date, there's no more negotiation until another year.

Right. That can sometimes get into people's heads. Sometimes people can be like, well, if I get hurt this year, blah, blah, blah.

So then they start changing. Exactly. That is exactly the case. So you just got to hope that people continue to focus on the football as opposed to all the what-ifs that could potentially happen out there in the world. It seems like Lev might have sent precedent

because Lawrence said he's not signing with the Giants until they get a long-term deal. So he said he's prepared to sit out his entire franchise tag just like Lev Belton. I think we're watching players start to realize they have a lot more leverage than they might have used to have. I mean, AB obviously is doing it because he saw what Lev Bell was doing.

But none of those guys have been offered any contracts yet. We still don't know if this is a big deal. We still have no idea if Lev Bell is going to get offered a lot. Let's not, I mean, Kaepernick settled for a collusion case. We can agree to disagree on the amount of money. I think it was somewhere near $100 million was paid to, I think $100 million was dealt by the NFL for that to kind of make it disappear.

But the Lev Bell thing, I mean, if you talk to people in football, I wonder if the common conversation is like, we don't know if he's going to show up, though. Or we don't know what player is coming. And once that message starts getting around, you really don't, because you need at least two people to bad message for you all you want is two people to play you need two owners two gms to play that's all you need you don't need 32 teams to like you you need two teams to like you and if you can get two to like you and then that's when the bidding thing happens but what happens if that doesn't happen for left bell that's a bad precedent then

it's not a good precedent and this this guy's saying, well, I'm not doing it until we get a long-term deal. It's like, well, the guy, it just happened literally to another guy and you go, fuck. You know what I mean? I think it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. A.B.'s definitely going to get paid somewhere. So he, rumor is that he will be traded probably by the end of the week

to the Packers. Raiders being the front riders right now. I doubt it. Is that what your sources are saying? Three first-round picks. Oh, we got two. A lot of people on the television saying this isn't a very deep first-round class. This isn't a deep first-round. Not a lot of top-ten talent in there.

A lot of teams happy they're not in the top ten from what they're saying on the television. But I'll be Kyler Murray to Arizona seems like a lot. And then other news is Foles to Jacksonville most likely. Oh, yeah. Which we all knew was going to happen, right? We all kind of expected that. Yeah. I mean, Bortles has never really been the guy.

They believed in him for a little, but Foles is the one. Well, in our locker room, I mean, almost had a full-on mutiny because of Blake Bortles getting paid as much as he did. What if Foles goes in there and does it again? He might. He really might. It's basically the same fucking roster that they went to the AFC Championship with two years ago and were

winning at halftime or whatever and could have if they didn't just fucking swallow the playbook. Well, maybe they swallowed the playbook because Nick Foles wasn't there. With Foles, they could be right back in this picture. You got a pissed off Jalen Ramsey. Is Leonard Fournette coming back? Has that been decided yet?

What happened to him? He was hurt and he wasn't hurt. Yeah, he got in a fight. He had some stuff going on. He got in a fight? Yeah, remember on the field, he got suspended for a game, remember? Oh, yeah. He gets the bills?

Yeah, I like that. I don't mind when people fight, by the way. No, no, no. You got to get a little fire in there. I am not against the fight, if it's for good reason. Like, for instance, LeGarrette Blount, I think, got kicked out of a game for starting a fight when Stafford got hit late. And he and LeGarrette Blount were only teammates for like two weeks at this point.

And not a single other player on the line stepped in to do anything except for LeGarrette Blount. I asked Stafford about that during a production meeting before the Lions-Packers game. I've called a game before. I got experience in this thing. Another reason why I'm good. Oh, you commentated a game.

I did. I commentated a week 17 game. Did it that shred number one on Twitter? Yeah, for like three, four hours. Nothing online. I forgot. Yeah, but I asked that for a bit in the night before meetings,

which I think if we were to ask the Fox people, they would say I might have added a different... Absolutely. A little bit of a different variety to that as well. I'd say so. So it's not monotonous anymore. People are enjoying the conversation. I brought up the Stafford thing.

I brought up the LeGarrette Blunt thing to Stafford. He was like, that was really cool, wasn't it? I was like, yeah. I was like, that has to feel good. He's like, yeah, always great to have people ready to fight for you. I'm like, yeah, absolutely. And that is honestly, I like it. As a person who enjoyed good teammates and stuff like that,

I enjoyed it. And I wasn't scared to put the helmet on if there was a little scuffle around me, too. I'm going to get my ass kicked, but I at least got to show face. I at least got to show face for the team meeting. Definitely put the helmet on. Definitely.

Definitely. I think like Garrett Blunt. He doesn't care. Did he take his helmet off? He probably did. I don't remember. He probably did. He either had his helmet on and was fighting a He doesn't care. Did he take his helmet off? He probably did. I don't remember. He probably did. He either had his helmet on and was fighting a guy without a helmet, or he took his helmet

off. Something ridiculous. He had a fight at Oregon where he took his helmet off. LeGarrette Blount? Yes. The famous fight. Yeah, when he punched him in the face. Oh, yeah.

Cool. That white dude got knocked the fuck out. That guy had no shot. That guy was just bebopping around. It's Boise State. Boise State. Boise State. Well, if you get in a fight, do you buckle up? No, just as long as you have it on there.

I mean, my head was so big, the helmet was pretty tight. I mean, I used to wear my chin strap underneath. Actually, it just has a piece of rope underneath because my head was so large. I did ask for the single bar my first day in the building. Old Froggy, the equipment manager, I walk in. They go, what type of helmet you want, kid? Coach, maybe he might have called me because that's his thing.

And I said, I'd like the single bar face mask. And he said, what? I was like, the single bar face mask. And they had to call in the OG equipment manager above him. He comes down. I'm looking for the single bar face mask. And they had Colin, the OG equipment manager, above him. He comes down. I'm looking for the single bar that snaps up and snaps down.

That's what I'm looking for. And I showed him a picture of Gary Player, who used to have one, and a couple of the old punters. Gary Anderson? No, Gary Anderson might have had it as well. Yeah, they all had it. Gary Player, you said. That's a golfer. Oh.

No, there might have been a punter named Scott Player. Look it up. White-haired guy. Had a handlebar mustache like i love that like uh the bike the orange county chopper guy oh yeah oh see you scott player yeah sorry sorry about that scott player that was the initial by the way as soon as i saw a photo of scott player i was like that's what i want yeah yeah yeah yeah as i walked into the equipment manager yes yes great look for the dog i was like this is what i want yeah yeah yeah yeah i walked into the equipment manager yes yes great look i was like this is what i'm looking for you know this one i'm looking for and there the froggy was like all right i mean we'll do it and then the og equipment manager was like all right we gotta check let's give them another face mask in case so i got this other one

it was kind of shit and then they came out to me later in the day they were like gotta get grandfathered in i was like for what they're like for the single bar yeah it's been banned for like 10 years nobody wants them either we've never got that question before and i was like oh that's on me i was hoping i could show the face off a little bit and froggy goes like hey with that face kid you should be wearing a bigger mask and like jogged away it was like walk away and i was like oh this guy's obviously a good friend of mine forever but i did look for that i did look for that because every time a single bar video hits the internet people always hit me up they're like yeah you should have done this you should i legitimately tried like first day in the building i tried my best it's just been banned for so long because it's you know no fun league no fun like

don't want me to bust open my nose. I can with confidence say that not enough human beings on this earth know who Scott Player is. Scott Player is a legend. Unbelievable. We should make a t-shirt with this guy. We should also make a t-shirt.

A legend series t-shirt with Scott Player. Everybody's just staring at their phones and computers right now. I'm happy I introduced this to you. Unbelievable. Good call. Not Gary their phones and computers right now. I'm happy I introduced this to you. Unbelievable. Good call. Not Gary Player. Probably a relative, though.

I don't know. What about Sean Lindetto? Is he a single bar guy? Maybe. Back in the day, they all used to do it. The Grammaticas, I think, had it there for a while. The Andersons, maybe. I was back literally when guys were creating the stereotype that kickers were a bunch of

flakes, though. Literally playing with no face mask. Literally playing with no face mask. literally when guys were creating the stereotype that kickers were a bunch of flakes though. No face mask. Literally playing with no face mask. You would have got Trenton Holiday's fucking helmet right in your fucking nose. I know, it would have been awesome. Get that JJ Watt bloody nose. We bounce up. The ref comes running over.

Are you okay? Yeah, football. Playing the football here, guys. Playing the football here, guys. Playing the football. Combine. I did not expect. Sam hated it. No way.

Sam fucking hated it. I was sick, though, right? I have this cold. You can probably still hear it. I was a little sick, so I didn't want to move from the couch. So, I mean, what's on right now? What's on right now? Combine. So, she would what's on right now? What's on right now? Come by.

So she would bounce around, find something terrible. And I would try to do like the, you know, like, come on. You don't even like this. And she would be like, I think it's great. And then we'll go to commercial. I'll be like, we done here? And she'd be like, yeah, I guess. I'm like, give me a fucking remote.

NFL Network, right on. And then she be like, yeah, I guess. I'm like, give me a fucking remote. I had a phone network right on. And then she'd go, oh, yay, guys running again. I'm like, no, no, this time they're jumping. It was oddly fascinating. You do have to really enjoy football to watch it. Yeah, but it was oddly fascinating. I'm thinking more people are watching. After I watched it, it was oddly fascinating. My lady loved it.

She watched it all fucking day. Really? Yeah. Couldn't get enough of it. You're watching some freak athletes do some very freaky things. I mean, that was next level. One of my favorite things is you don't realize how fast and how high they're jumping, but when they put Eisen next to, and he's running six flat,

next to guys that are running four three, and he literally gets 15 yard head starts and they catch him. You get an idea of like how unbelievable these dudes are. I got somebody took a picture. Google has my 40 at 4-8-9. That's not true. I've never run a time

40 in my life. That is a factual statement. One time at a high school football camp at UPMC in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where the Pittsburgh Steelers practice. Wal Harris. I don't know what it was. It was some sort of camp. Yeah, Wal Harris was there.

They timed me hand time, though. It was like a hand time thing. And I think the guy said like 4-4 something, right? And I just laughed and jogged off. And then the next person he might have said ran like a 4-2 oh my god this guy quite a quick but i never i never even tried to run a time 40 at my pro day they asked me if i wanted to run i said nah they asked me if i wanted to lift i said nah what are you gonna do i said just kick there at the end i don't want to waste

much energy they're like well what if they don't want to come watch you i'm like well i guess we're just gonna bank on them showing up. And then Mike Tomlin led the way down there and saved my entire ass. But I've never run a time 40, so that Google is bullshit. Well, by the way, if you had, though, it would definitely be a 4.8. We're dropping that 9. 4.8. Yeah, I was a 4.8 guy.

Not a 4.89. You're a 4.8 guy? No, I'm just saying, if I ran and it was time and they came up 4.89, I'd tell everyone, oh, yeah, 4.8. I would never say that. Oh, yeah.89. You're a 4.89 guy? No, I'm just saying if I ran and it was time and they came up 4.89, I'd tell everyone, oh, yeah, 4.8. I would never say that. Oh, yeah. Exactly. That's like there was one guy that ran the 4.6s and they ran a 4.59.

4.59. And hit sticks was like huge or move the sticks. Daniel Jeremiah was like huge for him. Because he can say he's a 4.5 guy forever. You know what I mean? Why are quarterbacks on the 40? I honestly don't know. Because he can say he's a 4'5 guy forever. You know what I mean? He didn't do bad his first year. Why are quarterbacks running the 40? I honestly don't know.

Why are offensive linemen running the 40? Exactly. The offensive linemen, they're looking at the 10-yard split. Oh, yeah. Okay, so let's go back to the question. Why are offensive linemen running 40? Correct, you're right. They should run 10. Yeah, 20.

Right. Maybe max 20. But I do believe now it's at the point where it's just all – It might be for downfield blocking, though. I don't want to say the point where it's just all, it's like a. It might be for downfield blocking though. I don't want to say like an ego thing, but it is kind of like nowadays it's like, I ran this,

I ran that. I honestly, like you can see how explosive a guy is by the way he jumps and you can see the way he flips his hips. And if you'll be able to transition into coverage and all that shit, you can see all that stuff. But I think the 40 now is, is literally just like a, I ran a blank, blank. Yeah like a i ran a sure blank blank

and he ran a blank blank like 433 obviously a huge time for metcalf but i mean if you turn on the film i'd assume he's just running past correct you can see that to begin with you know so i think there's some positions it's not needed it's just like it's at the point where it's everybody needs to get one i need to get one next year i'm gonna train and run one next year let's go maybe we all here we go i'm gonna train one i'm gonna train and run one next year i think i'll be below four seven next year one year from now i think i'll be below four seven that's an insane thought i don't think i've run in 10 years i don't think i have fully sprinted 10 years but if i train for it for let's go under 4.8. I think I'll go under 4.75. I will go under 4.75, I think,

if I was to train. I agree. I think you can do it. For sure. I think so. If I was to train, I have not sprinted in a long time. I almost pulled my hamstring getting up to take a shit this week. I can't even imagine how quickly my hamstring would pop. A couple guys get hurt every year, right?

Yeah. Now, how do NFL scouts view that? Okay, so he's dehydrated. So he's dehydrated. He wasn't ready for this. He went too hard pushing himself. Didn't think he was going to run a good enough time. You can start reading into everything now.

You can really read into everything. The one dude from Texas got asked this year, it was the craziest question that I've heard from this year, if he had both of his balls. Good question. You never know. There's like questions they're not allowed to ask, right? I guess the team asked him this year if he had both of his balls.

Is that part of the physical or something? Was there some rumors about it? I don't know, Todd. Rumors circulating around. Could have been a loaded question. see how he'd react to that. Well, yeah, yeah. You got nuts, kid, or not, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, two of them. One dick, two. Two balls. I wish I had two dicks. Small here, guys. Everyone starts writing it down. Right on. I'll tell you.

Hey, you, special teams guy in the corner, I think? Yeah. Will you please write down, I wish I had two dicks? Yeah, so I could fuck your wife, too. Is this interview done or not, boys? That would be a hell of a way to handle that situation. Hell of a way. I was invited to the Combine

so I never got to do those question and answer things. At Pro Days, do they do interviews like that or they just talk to you on the side? I had a personality test from the Colts. It was a written personality test. Two pages. It was like a wonderlick, but it was write yourself one to this, one to this, one to this. It was a written personality test. Two pages. It was like a Wunderlich, but it was rate yourself one to this, one to this, one to this. It was very interesting.

It was very, very interesting. They do that for job interviews, the normal job interviews. Really? Yes. Like office jobs, you do personality tests. We have to do that if anybody comes in here. Yes, we should. Oh, yeah.

I have no idea who would ever tell the truth on this. Do you consider yourself a hard worker? Nope. No, I don't. Who would ever tell the truth on this? Do you consider yourself a hard worker? Nope. No, I don't. If the job isn't completed, are you the type of guy that would finish it? Absolutely not.

All right. I hope you guys draft me. Any other questions? Chris Ballard's way of doing things, I think, is probably the best I've heard. Yes, for sure. We're just going to put some coaches in here. We're going to watch film with you and we'll be able to find out from the film

study whether or not you're a good guy or not. I was intrigued by that NFL combine. You know what I'm not intrigued by anymore? The AAFL. Oh boy. I bet you the combine, ten times the amount of viewers than that AAFL. I went over to one and it was like three nothing. I'm like

oh good, they still can't play offense over here. And I went right back over to the Combine. I thought about that. I'm like, Combine's going to end up on primetime on like, it's going to end up on like NBC or something like that. Yeah, out of Indy too. Everybody wants a piece of that. It's going to end up on

the main, on a main show. It's like, for instance, the game day prime, I talked about this last year. It was Deion Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, and I think it was just those two. And they just did Game Day Prime. It was like a wrap-up show, but it was in a locker room. I loved it.

Listening, I watched it. They broke down everything. If you ball, you get to call, the whole thing. I wasn't the only one that liked it. So they took it over to fox main network at every night they changed the entire setup of the thing it became a completely different show i'm worried the combine same thing will happen they'll move it to a main network and everything will change because they have to uh what's that called when you have to back up something that you've done? You have to justify, validate, or justify it being on a main network.

So then all of these new things will start happening, and it'll lose its luster. But I assume it's going to happen whenever they see the numbers of the people that watch Combine. Because of Snowstorm, by the way. There's a Snowstorm, so there's a lot of people watching TV over the weekend in the middle of America, which are the people that would be watching Combine the most.

I think those numbers are going to be pretty large for the combine. Yeah. Maroon five just wheels out halfway through the top. They come from the bottom of the stage. Steve Smith might've had the best. Oh my God. Steve Smith went up to that Tyree Evans or Tyree something. He was a six foot seven quarterback from Kentucky,

I think. or Tyree something. He was a 6'7 quarterback from Kentucky, I think. And he was whizzing the football in the gauntlet drill where that takes a lot on the quarterbacks to throw good balls. You've got to lead them in stride because they're supposed to sprint down the line and catch it looking back a different direction. And old 6'7, because a lot of people were talking about,

like, oh, this guy, he's tall, he's fast, he could be like a hidden gem in this draft or whatever and he was throwing lasers at these wide receivers that were running so fast and steve smith in the middle of this guy's combine walks up to him and basically all they showed was his like slow motion look at him and they asked him what he had to do and steve smith was like i was just looking out for a guy i was letting him know like hey these wide receivers do not deserve what he's doing, basically, is what he said to him. And the slow motion of him patting a guy on his shoulder and, like, this look like, hey, you're killing people right now. Was in Chris.

Steve Smith might have won the entire fucking thing with that line. Oh, yeah. The other one was better. In the shot about Dallas tight end, that was Steve Smith. When they asked him if he was unretiring and going back, and he said, no, I'm actually good at speaking on TV. No, he tried to get out of answering it for real, and Daniel Jeremiah was basically just prodding,

just throwing gasoline on Nisans like, no, no, no. Jeremiah's like, no, no, we want to hear the truth. Well, I'm actually good at this TV. Steve Smith is good. Yeah, he is. I like Steve Smith. I like him a lot. He's got a resume, too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's ready to battle Michael Irvin at any given time, by the way. All the time. That's how he was on the field, too. He'd go after anybody. I think he's ready to drop with Michael Irvin at any given time. I enjoyed that comeback. I would pay to see that.

Also this weekend, an insane documentary. Jeez. Hey. Hey, leaving Neverland was incredibly uncomfortable. Yeah. It was the worst. To say the least. The worst.

It was very graphic and they kept repeating the graphic nature of everything. I guess it was to really drive the point home of what was going on and what was happening. Terrible things, by the way. Terrible, terrible, terrible things. The Jackson estate is suing for $100 million against HBO for slander and libel.

I don't know which one's which. They're suing. But those stories were very scary to hear. A thousand percent true, too. Yeah. Yeah. Let's not forget there were seven allegations. We don't want to get sued.

Two official court cases, one of which there was actual forensic evidence of Michael Jackson's fingerprints and the small child's fingerprints being on pornographic material. Oh, so you have dug into this a little bit. Okay, it's old Todd, old Detective Todd. Here you go, Todd. Has dug in. It is, if we learn anything about documentaries here in the last, what, four months?

I know it. What do you do? You get terrible parenting involved. You have some either pedophilia, homosexualoerotic or pedophilia operation yeah and then you just openly just completely dive into the details and all of a sudden you have the entire world going oh fuck that's basically what happened with leaving neverland yep the entire internet was like oh what and it was crazy there's another part two coming out last night i'm excited i'm glad oprah's finally jumping on board yeah because that's i mean it's a difference maker it really is

for her for the african-american community for her to jump behind this what happened oprah is on she's hosting like the after show tonight yeah with with the two victims i think it's like talking dead like yeah yeah pretty much exactly like chris hardwick how do you feel about it from the trailer it looked as if she is like wanting to get this out because she is also a believer yeah she's also going to sneeze out 100 million dollars for that lawsuit too and it's real it's going to be fine um it's michael jackson should not be played by anybody that's what i'm saying the fact that he this has been allowed to, that he still has a positive legacy is the biggest mystery of all time.

Germany, there's an entire shrine to Michael Jackson. Like an entire square block. You'll play it on radio. People still, I mean. I'm stuck in the mirror. No, you're not. No, you're not. What about the kid in the mirror that's with you?

I told you I saw the greatest MJ show show of all time at Cancun. Miguel, he still has impersonators. Not me, Miguel. Didn't they have a hologram tour of him just a couple years ago? It's incredible. There's a Broadway musical about him right now, too. They're worried that this is going to completely kill that. Yeah, they should be.

They should be. But they said it's going to keep going off. They have no plans to cancel it or anything. That means they didn't watch Leaving Never. Yeah, they should be. They should be, yeah. But they said it's going to keep going off without any, like they have no plans to cancel it or anything. That means they didn't watch Leaving Never. Yeah, right. That was fucking tough. The hypocrisy that America has, it's like they pick and choose who gets Me Too and who doesn't.

It's incredible to me. Well, how about Phelps grabbed a bong and five different sponsors dropped him? Yes. Rick Ross and other rappers literally talk about murdering people and selling cocaine picking up the same endorsement deals it's like how does that even where do you guys draw the line at i don't it's an incredible world we live in kat williams tried to tell everyone about this whole mj thing years ago years ago really well you don't climb trees yeah that whole fucking stand up great stand up hey we've foxy and i met macaulay Culkin. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

A lot of years. Could have got to the bottom of this. I don't know. He's got his shit together. Hey, the best part of that doc was the very end. They introduced Macaulay and then the other kid, and they just put in for like three seconds that to this day, they claim they've never been sexually assaulted by Michael Jackson. After you hear all of that in the doc, they just put three-second title of that.

Well, Macaulay Culkin, we met him. Yeah. At WrestleMania. Like 6.30 a.m. or it wasn't like 6.15 a.m. He had bunny ears. I was just running around that access place all by myself. I can't believe they let me in there. I was just running around. There was only one other

person in there. It was me and Macaulay Culkin. It was me and a kid from Home Alone. kevin that's it so finally i worked up enough courage to go talk to him and i was like hey man can i get a photo with you yeah sure but he's got these he's got these fucking bunny ears on and i take a picture with him he walks away and i'm like hmm yeah i guess i'd be incredibly fucked up too if my entire childhood was home alone turns out no no no it's not from the home alone no no no it's from neverland yeah yeah i tell you what those parents though how about the parents just like yep just go ahead and that's what i don't understand yeah you need to sleep in his room yeah sure it's fine go ahead i'm scared to death of procreating because i don't know how i'm gonna be right i don't know how I'm going to be, right? I don't know what's going to happen. But I feel like I would not do that.

I would not allow, and I won't do that. I feel like that's true. Isn't it weird, though, now, like our world is so more woke now because of social media? Like when I was young, like when I was Connor's age and we were watching Michael Jackson parading around with these little kids everywhere he went, you were just like, oh, oh boy he missed out on his

childhood he feels more like a child than he does an adult so he identifies with these kids so he's like nope nope just like them fuck them that's what I don't understand how about the parents getting faxes though those faxes were the most fucked up thing of you like after the fact I love you yeah like how do you read that

oh yeah we give it to my kids. Yes, that was creepy, right? Yeah. Yes, the whole thing. So leaving Neverland was crazy. Yeah. But we all watched it. It captivated everybody.

Who knows what happened last night in part two. I don't know how much worse it could get to be honest with you. You say that now. Macaulay. Legit. No way Bunny Ears

signed up for this. I don't know. If HBO is ready to take on 100 million dollar lawsuits they might have backed up the dump trucks for macaulay culkin that australian mom is the worst yeah to me the the way people deal with joy yeah and things like that obviously is is uh an individual aspect but she was kind of like laughing through the documentary about things that used to happen old Cause he talked about everything that happened to him. And then they cut to a scene where she was like,

Oh my God. I was like, yo, the editors did not do her any favor right here, but it's real though. It's a, but after watching Dateline, you can't,

um, you never know how people react after a terrible situation. What you were saying was accurate. Yeah. It's impossible to tell. And then you hear things like, Oh, well well he wanted to he would give them whatever they needed the family he would take care of the family he would send the money hey if you're in financial trouble let me know i can help out like that's that to me is the deviousness of it all like yeah

think about if that was to happen in 2019 michael jackson is shipping faxes or tweets to somebody in Australia. Flying them to his Pepsi commercial shoot on a commercial plane. I mean, all of it is just such a different world back in the day. He didn't even fly private? I mean, he was sex trafficking. That's what it is. He was flying people in.

He would never fly in the same kid at the same time. He kept them different. But he was importing young kids. Joey said every year it seemed to turn over to a new child. Michael Jackson, bad guy. Bad guy. That lady just tore apart her whole family.

We're going to divide the family in half. We're going to go to LA and live with Michael Jackson. You guys are going to stay here in half. We're going to go to L.A. and live with Michael Jackson. And you guys are going to stay here in Australia. Think about the neighbors. Go fuck yourself. Think about that. Hey, what, mate?

It's a little country there, mate. It's like Australia. That's their word. We had an Australian punter at the Colts, and he used the C word probably every other sentence to describe something as that. Yeah. Somebody as that. It's like a whole different world. Think about, think about the, yeah,

it's like fuck over there. Think about the neighbors though. Whenever we're getting a divorce. Yeah. What's going on? Michael Jackson. Fly me in the kitchen. Excuse me.

We're going to go live with Michael, Michael Jackson. The singer. Yeah. Yeah. My dad, Michael. Yeah. It's no big deal. He wants us to go live. We're just going to go live in Neverland. The singer? Yeah, Michael. Yeah, it's no big deal.

He wants us to go live near him. We're just going to go live in Neverland. Oh. It's an amusement park area. It's out in the middle of nowhere. Does he get his own room? There's a train. Yeah, there's a hideout room, actually, in the apartment complex. My son stays in the hideout room. I play with the chimpanzees. It's fine.

It's also an animal sanctuary. I'm wondering if there were any kids that were like Michael invited and was into and tried the bait and the family was woke enough to be like, no, listen, kid, you're not going. I like to think that the old I like to think that that kid wasn't that good of a dancer, by the way.

No, I didn't think so either. Thank you. I'm happy I wasn't the only one. I noticed it. I was like, the Australian one? Yeah, I was like, he's not right for a kid, I guess. That's a great dancer. I would like to think that maybe I'd get signed there to the Michael Jackson promotion there if a video of me

leaks dancing as a child. And I would like to think Tim McAfee goes, uh-uh. Yeah, right. Ain't nobody going in that house. And then the kids probably hate their parents

because the biggest pop star in the world wants to bring you in and wants to party with you and you're like, why, why? And then you grow up and you're because the biggest pop star in the world wants to bring you in and wants to party with you. And you're like, why? And then you grow up and you're like, oh, thank you so much. Mom and dad, thank you. I wonder if that's happening right now for somebody.

I hope so. I hope not. Had to be. Foxy. No, no. Not me. Your country called bullshit. I'm offended you thought it would be me.

Florida Foxy. Attractive kid. You know what I mean? Attractive kid. I mean, if he saw you thought it would be me Florida Fox attractive kid you know I mean attractive kid He saw you he would have I'm offended for My parents I should say That's what we're saying is your parents said no They would have put a block on he basically Made Neverland like a country club

The one kid I think he said yeah I went and had my birthday There Michael wasn't even there but they just got To go in and have use of the facilities And the pools and the houses and stuff and just Party there and hang out. It's an incredible temptation. No way this is innocent, right? There's no way.

No. Impossible. No. Does it still stay in the estate? It's still there. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. He paid off a huge, huge settlement and people just flocked to see still after he paid out a huge settlement. When they hold the baby.

He paid off a family. But he didn't do it. And that was when he hung the baby blanket off the thing. That same time period there. So R. Kelly's going down. Michael Jackson's been completely gone.

Now he's done. Completely done. I think Oprah's putting the dagger in that tonight. So who else is... What other... Last night. Like, Genuine, is he okay? Oh, geez.

Hopefully not. I hope Genuine... You mean Pony? I mean, I hope he's good. Yeah, like, you think back to all the R&B. I mean, that's what... That's all R&B pop. R&B was a filthy, filthy industry.

Dirty gay sexual song. Usher. Oh, Usher, baby. So do you think if they did a Mike Vick documentary, everyone would flip back on Mike Vick? Because everyone kind of seems to be... Yeah, but Mike Vick went to jail. So he served.

So everyone's like, okay. There's a lot of people that still hate Mike Vick. Yeah, for sure. Warranted, by the way, for why they hit Mike Vick. But Mike Vick did lose his career, basically, and went to jail. You're supposed to pay your debt to society good point he did and he worked his way back supposed to pay your debt and now he's an advocate for the animals and things like that so he i'm gonna say learned his lesson so i mean i'm not gonna ask him to watch my dog ever no no

that'd be a bad decision i'm excited to see that uh part two, leaving Neverland. I think they're going to have the kid who was held out the window as a child, right? That was his kid. Oh, that was his kid. Yeah. I was unaware of that. How much are those two guys? You just said something that was just completely fake. Well, I was just throwing it out there. I figured

they might have that kid. Is that kid still alive? He paid a surrogate to have, what, two kids or something for him? Yeah, that kid and then Paris Jackson, I believe, right? Yeah, so if I had to guess, that's probably who's coming out of the documentary last night. You think Michael Jackson's kids are turning on him? I don't think the family's involved in this.

Come on. HBO's backing up the trucks. They're backing up the trucks. Because they need the trucks backed up. No, they don't. The Jackson family? Yeah need the trucks backed up No they don't The Jackson family? Yeah I think they probably do

Don't they? I bet you they've taken it Hey look They're making off of royalties You're either on the Germany side of this Or you're on the other side of this So you better either defend the wall Okay?

You know what I'm saying? No No Ever I understand you're a Jackson family But do you want to have the Jackson family name tainted? No Or do you want to go on HBO and say

Hey look We understand that the man who basically forced us to be made is a scumbag who did a lot of terrible things I don't know about the Jackson family but I will agree that it's time America make up their fucking mind about Michael after this is over like there needs to be a big vote and like we're going to go one way or the other Michael I think that should happen yeah on the internets last night on the Twitter I was following along with the leaving neverland a lot of people saying that the the kids are full of shit the two guys are full of real yeah there's a lot of that are you kidding me yeah a lot of that because the one jewelry the one kid did testify well like when he was 13 or 14 he testified in the criminal trial um that this never happened with him. And now he's an adult and he's on the documentary.

So it hurts a little bit. I'm just sitting there so nonchalantly saying the things that happened was mind-blowing to me. Then we went into this room and fucked. Yeah. Oh, man. This room as well, we fucked here. Got a cool ring out of it.

That's what I was alluding to with the graphic nature. They all told the same story. It all unfolded the same way for each person. Which the internet, by the way, I would like to... The internet is not 100% sold on Michael Jackson being a bad guy. The internet is not always the right... There's a lot of people hanging on to it still. It's incredible.

When someone's that big and that big of a star, you've got to keep chopping. It doesn't fall on the first swing. Oprah, by the way, big swinging axe. Big swinging axe. And she comes swinging that axe. That tree fall quick. She'll put an end to it. Anything else to talk about?

Huh. The WWE, someone just got voted into the Hall of Fame. Oh, yeah. Lonnie. Tori Wilson. Tori. Tori. We're in WrestleMania season.

The road to WrestleMania. So that means Hall of Famers will be announced. Degeneration X is the headlining group going into the Hall of Fame. Lonnie Wilson just got voted in as well. I thought I saw the Honky Tonk Man too. Yeah, Honky Tonk Man is also in there. The Hall of Fame speeches are something that are absolutely electric. They all go a bit long, I believe is the way to describe it, but it's all due.

It's like 23 years, 23. I have to be yawning because of the code, not because I'm thinking of the Hall of Fame.awning. Because of the code. Not because I'm thinking of the Hall of Fame. Correct. Correct. No, no, no. Because of the code. Fucking Todd.

We were at that Hall of Fame last year, though. Foxy and I. Yep. Electric. Yep. Some of them. Some of them very electric. All of them are due the credit that they are receiving.

But I think there should be some self-awareness. Now, I should never talk to anybody that has been in the WWEwe for 20 30 years and going into the hall of fame but i just like the awards thing i i always think like hey this should be entertaining like hey entertainment entertainment a lot of thanks a lot of hard hours and a lot of hard miles it's a it's a very grueling business i understand that but i enjoy the hall of, and I would like to continue to enjoy the Hall of Fame. But, man, that's six, seven hours worth of speeches I can't do. I cannot do. I just got too much ADD.

There ain't enough vitamins on earth for me to sit through six, seven hours. Similar to Pro Football Hall of Fame speeches? Yes, exactly. It's very similar to that. And maybe it's, like, for instance, Pro Football Hall of Fame. I don't know I don't know whose fault that is I think somebody should there's self

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Man, that was a hell of an intro, man. I might need to hire you permanently. I got you, dog. You got a hell of a resume. And also, you're starting off this thing called Gridiron Gang with former teammate of mine, Daniel Muir, which is football training. I'm excited to hear about that. But let's dive right in to the NFL.

The combine just happened here in Indianapolis. You're an Indianapolis hero with the Colts. I assume when you were coming out of college, out of A&M down there in Alabama, you were not invited to the Combine. Is that accurate? I was not a Combine invitee. Okay, so your pro day happens and the Colts work you out, I assume, and Bill Pullian says, you know what, that little guy from Alabama A&M

looks like he could be a monster on the end for us? Yeah, I wish it had went down like that. But my pro day was actually a favor to my agent, and so I owe him a lot, and I'm still with him this day. But it was just that goddamn opportunity, man. I had to make the most of it, like seriously. What did you run your 40 in? I had a 4.51.

Jesus. So those numbers would still hold up right now. If you were to go to the combine right now, not that you would run a 4.51 now, but if you were to run a 4.51 right now, the world would turn their head at Robert Mathis, I would assume. Yeah, but these guys, they're humming, man. I think I saw a guy that ran a 4-4-1, something like that.

Like, oh, man, a big dude, basketball-looking player-looking dude, power forward. Okay, so that was actually a comment of the weekend, is that everybody's much faster. It looks like there's a lot more basketball bodies happening at tight end and at defensive end. What is your take on like the transition of what football players are becoming and what football is becoming? Well, I'd like to thank Frinia and I had a little bit, a little part to play in that. We kind of ushered in the smaller, more speedier type defensive end or edge rusher type of type of guy, but it But it was, I'm loving it, man.

But it's bigger, faster, stronger. That's always been the battle cry of the NFL. So you are coaching now at the NFL. Have you enjoyed that process? And is a guy like Darius Leonard the people that make you come into work the next day and just be excited about it? Yeah, man. I'm very happy because our backgrounds is eerily similar.

He's a cute dog. Small suit, HBC. And he had to get it. He has that chip on his shoulder, man, and it drives him. And he's a humble kid. So he definitely makes it worthwhile coming in. I think anybody who thinks of the Indianapolis Colts outside of Indianapolis, they obviously think of Peyton Manning and his big forehead first.

They're like, okay, that guy, Peyton Manning did it. Then they start thinking of, and they have to think of 98-93 Boulevard, that you should just meet at fucking quarterbacks on a regular basis. Did you and Freeney used to compete to who could get to the quarterback first? And when did you guys realize that you were a real tag team that nobody could really fuck with? There was always, by the way, it's 98-93, bring the heat Boulevard. So, either right, keep it right.

All right, sir. That's on me. That's on me. Too many vitamins. way it's 9893 bring the heat boulevard so either right keep it right all right sir but uh that's on me that's on me too many after uh it was my fourth season

his fifth we we we just hey man we kind of we got some going here as far as like a the duo but it was always

i had to earn my seat at the table man he was he was humming he was and he was hey he had to respect around the league, and I just really had to earn my seat, man.

So it was that solid competition. It was never hate. It was like he got a sack early. It was like, damn, I got to tighten up. I got to get there. But I was his biggest cheerleader, and he was mine. But it was ultimately get to this quarterback, and we certainly stole a lot of sacks from each other.

And I believe he would be in that 200 range if it weren't for myself. Well, I mean, I think for both of you, though, you helped because they couldn't double chip. They couldn't chip on both sides. So I think it was a nice setup for both of you. Whenever you're at the end, Dwight Freeney was on NFL Network, and he compared a guy to you because he had so much speed. What are you trying to do?

You're trying to get off the ball faster than the tackle. Is that just the key to the game, point blank, period? And what are little tips or tricks to be able to do that? Do you study the quarterback's rhythm? Do you study his cadence? Do you study the center? What do you do? Oh, man.

It starts with get-off. And anything moves on an offensive line or anybody on that line, because once they get set, they're not supposed to move, but they do, but the referees don't see it because they're behind the quarterback. And that's another story. But no,

anything that moves or twitch, you let it burn because the game is speed. So you try to do it. You study whatever you do to try to get an edge. And film study, pre-snap reads, post-snap reads, any type of conversations going on between the tight end and offensive tackle to indicate pass. It's a lot that goes in it, but all needs to happen within that 30 to 40 second span each play. I think I learned from watching you and Freeney is that it really is a chess game.

Freeney was talking how he would set people up. He's like, all right, I'll give this guy a power, a power, a power, and he thinks it's all that's coming the entire time, and then whammy, out of nowhere, the figure skating spin move, the fucking sports science. So I said Dwight Freeman he had. But is it that much thinking going on and that much strategizing happening between the tackle and the D-end at all times?

strategizing happening between the tackle and the D-end at all times? Well, yeah, yeah, in a sense because you want to do all your thinking during the week and pre-snaps them. So when you get the huddle call and you want to do all your thinking then and when the snap double, when that ball is snapped, no more thinking. It's all due. It's all due. So you just go.

Just go. Let it rip, man. And trust what. It's all due. It's all due. So you just go. Let it rip, man. And trust your preparation. Strip sack on Peyton Manning led to a touchdown, I believe, for Eric Walden, I think. Is that the biggest sack of your career? Hell no. Okay. Okay.

I am so sorry. I had no idea. I thought that might be your favorite one. If I'm wrong there, just let me know. That's all me. I think that's probably, honestly, that's probably the most popular one, but it's definitely Tom Brady all day. How come?

Because you're an Indianapolis Colt or just because Tom Brady is going to be the greatest football player of all time whenever he's done? A and B. Hey, man. I got in there. No, no. That whole robbery, man. I feel it was the greatest robbery of all time.

But, yeah, it was more Brady versus Manning. But I think everybody else had a little something to do with it, even the guy that blew up the kick return on the sideline. Oh! Oh! Yeah, just a kicker-punter guy. Yeah, he's – no, but I was going to say this. I came in at the tail end of that, the rivalry with the Patriots,

and that was a real thing. That was an awesome run. And now, granted, here in the last couple years, it's been a pretty bad performance. It's been one way street there. But back in the day, those games were awesome. I mean, I feel like that original regime, the Polian regime, that team, the way business was handled was much different than towards the end of my career. And you don't have to say anything. And I won't say anything else about that either. But are you seeing that it's kind of getting back on track in that Colts building I feel like

the building kind of lost its mojo there for a while is the Colts building kind of getting back on the right path absolutely man uh Ballard he's him and him and Frank man I I love the future for for this Colts organization because these two guys, they get it, man, and they get it. And they are all – they work together. They're in sync, and it's kind of – it's awesome seeing what they're doing, man, and to see how they work together. What's your future look like?

Because right now you're a pass rush consultant for the Colts, which could mean a number of things. That means that they just have you basically in their umbrella, hoping that you share wisdom with anybody on the defense, also the pass rushers, obviously. Is coaching something you want to get into and you've enjoyed, or are you going to move forward into entrepreneurial stuff? What are you thinking?

I like development, and I like guys that hate quarterbacks. Those are guys close to my own heart. But it's whatever, wherever the wind blows me. I just want to teach guys what I was taught, and to carry the torch, man, really. The NFL has gotten softer on quarterbacks. Your thoughts? True. But I think, man, it needs to be addressed, honestly,

because you can't play football. You can't tackle them. So you're going to get me going off on a tangent, man. I don't think you can shut off, man. Well, hey, we got an editor. Honestly, if you go too far, we can take it back. But honestly, I think it's something that should be talked about because fantasy numbers are up, scoring's up,

the rate of play is faster. They're saying they're keeping quarterbacks healthier, there's all this spin zone towards why a quarterback-friendly rule system should be the way the NFL is, but there's an entire group of men who are making money trying to make plays on the other side of that that I feel like get forgotten a bit whenever these

rules get talked about. Yeah, it's a domino effect in every sense of the word because these guys are getting fined. You go tackle the quarterback and you get a flag and you get fined. And it's a catch-22 because they're doing what their coach did do. So if you don't tackle this quarterback the way you're told to, you may get cut. But if you tackle him, you're going to get fined.

So what are you to do? I don't know, honestly. told to, you may get cut. But if you tackle him, you're going to get fined. So what are you to do? I don't know, honestly. I have no idea. That's why I prefer to just go helmet to helmet. That was a trick question. That's why I just went helmet to helmet, Robert. You saw me. Oh, man.

Yeah, I mean, hey, you have to be a special player now. Who's the best player in the NFL right now? Darius Leonard. No, I'll go, you know, I'm going pass rusher. Aaron Donald. Do you, is he something that other pass rushers watch and say,

you know what, a lot of respect for that. I would assume, Robert, you're going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I mean, that's, your words carry a lot of weight. If you were to compliment somebody, that would mean a lot, regardless of where you said it, when you said it. When you watch Aaron Donald play, do you just, like, appreciate how he plays the game and approaches the game and shit like that? Absolutely.

He doesn't rely on talent, man. He has a boatload of talent. But remember, he was very undersized by the expert analysis and all that, but he's a technician. Everything goes together. The technique, the fundamentals, the get-off, the tenacity,

the power. He makes everything in sync. What you get is a guy that gets double teamed the most in the NFL yet has the most sacks in the NFL two years in a row. So he's special, man. I saw a video of him before the Super Bowl, like literally talking to himself like,

come on, Aaron, come on, Aaron, make the big play. Be the man that makes the big play. They had him mic'd up, and normally they don't show that. What were you like before the games? Were you kind of a quiet cerebral guy did you enjoy listening to music to get hyped up to whatever people talk to you did that work or were you just kind of like in your own world yeah i was i was the the quiet the quiet type uh i listened to my music the three six mafia the tis and jesus type music and uh i did talk to myself just like aaron donald

like hey that's robert it's time to make a plate let's make a plate you didn't make you don't have a sack yet so you suck you got me i hey i want to let you know i used to talk to myself a lot and it was almost one of the reasons why i didn't want to get mic'd up i didn't want to get mic'd up because i was like i don't want these people hearing me talking to myself like before a punt. Like, hey, don't fuck this up. Now, big ball, don't be a little bitch. And I didn't want to be mic'd up for that.

And then I saw what Aaron Donald does. I'm like, oh, shit. I should have been mic'd up back there. I feel like that's what we do. I guarantee you, they would have loved to have mic'd you up. I've been asked numerous times. I feel like I was a pretty positive influence on the sideline during games. Is that an accurate assessment?

Yeah, yeah. Almost to a distraction standpoint, man. I had to get away from you during game time. There would be like a big pick or whatever, and the whole defense would. They do their entire celebration, everybody, right? And then they would sit down and it would kind of die down. And I didn't know – I thought it was the right time for me to come in because it kind of died down.

And I would poke my head and be like, hey, hey, big fucking play there. And I'd just get like nasty looks from some people. I'm like, learn the room, Pat. I'm going to walk out. That's on me, man. 100% on me. Hey, do you have any cars that are worth a shit, man? You got any ponies in the garage?

You got any good cars? Man, 96 Impala, man. I had to circle the wagons to get me another one, man. So I have a 1970 Chevelle being worked on. But that's about it, man. My wife, she has the good stuff. She has a Porsche Panamera. Woo!

And a Range Rover. Woo! Yeah, man. I got an F-150 truck. How about that? Hey, is that that Harley one? You had that Harley one. Is that the Harley?

Not the Harley. He had a Harley Davidson truck. Wasn't it a Harley Davidson F-150? Is that what it was? Yes, it was. That thing was clean. It was like a black Harley-Davidson edition of the F-150. It was really nice.

When I got the Mustang, the Shelby, 600 and some horses or whatever, you know? Oh, yeah, throw that in. I want to say I walked into the locker room, you know, chest up a little bit higher, you know, you know, chest up a little higher. No big deal, guys. Got a Shelby outside if you want to go see it. And the Hellcat was coming. They came out like a month later or something like that. And it was it was the first thing I heard from Robert that day.

It was like, yeah, wait till I get that Hellcat. He just looked at me. I was like, I never been more scared of my life. I'm going to shut her down. I'm going to shut her down. I'm going to shut her down. Robert, you, you're one of these guys that if you were to walk into any place, I've said this on numerous occasions,

you would scare the fuck out of most white people, but you're one of the nicest people in the locker room I've ever encountered. Honestly. No, it's all good, man. Lil' can be deceiving. I'm a playful jokester type a lot. Yeah, a lot. Yeah, a playful jokester type a lot. Yeah, a lot.

Yeah, a lot. But you're also like... I kick a little ass every now and then. Yeah, but you were like an incredible teammate. A lot of people should not be talking to the punter, especially as a rookie. I hung out with Joseph Adai a bit and Clint Session a good amount.

We enjoy the vitamins. We enjoy the vitamins together. But at Super Bowl week, you came over and talked to me and you were like, you gave me like a compliment and then walked away. And I was like, what the fuck was that? The Vinatarian was like, what? I was like, that was like the coolest thing that's ever happened to me in my entire life. Robert Mathis should not be talking to me the way he just did. You're like, you're a fucking

good guy, man. Every NFL team wishes they had a Robert Mathis, and the Colts are lucky to have had you. Oh, man, I appreciate it, man. You're a great, a hell of a teammate. Consider your brother, man. Oh, that means a lot. If I ever get into some shit, I'm calling you a leader. Hey, you know, I

ride, man. Show up in that Chevelle. Hey, we have a little thing called The Room Wants to Know where the rest of the guys in here ask their question that they have for you. Do you mind if we do that right now? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, Todd McComas, 21-year state police. Don't hold that against him.

Stand-up comedian, not a bad guy. Todd, die-hard Colts fan. Yeah, hey Robert, big fan like Pat said. You had a storied career. First Battle Hall of Fame worthy definitely. So what I think back on your career as a fan and what's the one thing that you hope I take

away from your time in the NFL? What's the thing you want to be remembered for the most? I played hard, man. And tried to do it the right way, and I respect it, everyone. Nice. By the way, very accurate assessment there. I don't think – wait, whenever you came out of the – Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, and I hated quarterbacks. What was it, QB hater who was on your goddamn softball thing every single year?

Or I hate QBs? What is it? I hate QBs? Yeah. Yeah. I hate QBs. I change it up every year. So he has this softball tournament every year that he raises money for Indiana Wish or Wish Indiana.

It's like Make-A-Wish for Indiana kids. It's an incredible thing. It's really... Indiana... Indiana what is it? Indiana Children's Wish Fund. Yeah. It's a staple of. It's really... Indiana, what is it? Indiana Children's Wish Farm. Yeah. It's a staple of our community, really, to be honest.

You've been doing it for so long. And I got kicked out the last time I went. I actually yelled at the umpire, got kicked out. He deserved it. He deserved it. So fuck that guy. I'm joking. It was a great exit, by the way.

It's something I recommend to anybody that's in that softball game but you had this shirt that says like I hate QBs or whatever and it was on a local news channel

and you were literally standing right next to Andrew Luck and they were doing an interview with both of you and I was like I wonder if Andrew at all was like

well this is weird next guy's name is Diggs he's an Italian Robert you had a strip sack basically 50% of the time that you got the quarterback. Did you have a single move or is this like a tomahawk chop or did you just strictly go after the ball and just figure the quarterback wasn't going to be able to throw it without the ball? What was your go-to move?

Oh, it was always secure the tackle and come a hope. I used to watch Derek Thomas, an old'Kansey Chief, as a child. He was one of my idols, and he did. That was his move. He beats his guy, and he comes barreling down and separates quarterback from the ball, man. Literally 50% of the time is quite an impressive feat. Wait, hold on.

The strip sacks don't count, right? Yeah, and they're still not an official stat. I appreciate that plug. That was a not an official stat. I appreciate that plug. That was a good alley-oop. I appreciate that. Well, I remember you saying something. I don't know if it was you. I was eavesdropping in a conversation that you were having.

I think it might have been maybe in the cafeteria or whatever, and that was what was said, basically. The strip sacks don't count. His sack number should be even more. That's an absurd thing that the NFL doesn't do that. Yeah, it's unofficial because that's more money they'd have to give up.

Hey, that's like punters. Their punts count from 10 yards behind a line of scrimmage where field goal yardage counts from where it's kicked. I mean, they try to screw over punters. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't like it either. Never do that. Next. Really? You didn't know that? I did not. I did not.

See, I'm happy this is an informational show. Educational podcast. Yeah, we are. We're an educational show. Next guy's name is Frank. He's also an Italian. Robert, your hate for QBs is palpable. I can sense it and hear it through these headphones.

I can feel it. Who is maybe one or two, number one QB all-time that you hate, that you can't stand? Gotta be. Besides Brady. I think we all know the answer. Besides Brady. Oh, besides Brady?

Oh, man. Tom Brady, man. Oh, man. Tom Brady, man. No, I had Roethlisberger. Oh, I like that answer. I like that answer a lot because it sounds like his teammates feel the same way. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that's personal right now. It's strictly business over here, buddy. Hey, how about him going out to media and throwing his teammates under the bus in the media? Did you hear that? Have you heard any of that? Yeah, see, you don't see. Yeah, see, that's not gangster right there. You don't do that.

I agree, man. If you want to call out the refs, do that. You want to call out somebody else's team, do that. I don't think you should be going to the – especially as a quarterback. I don't think you go out and publicly throw your own teammates under the bus. Personally, I don't think that's just – I don't think it's cool. Well, they basically validated AB. Yep.

Antonio Brown kind of validates them. Yep, it does. You see a lot of Pittsburgh people in the room. They're all in on the Roethlisberger trend. I think they're on the wrong track. Suck on that. My friend. Gorman, Jeffrey Gorman. You remember Gorman?

Yes, I do. Yes, I do. That's my man. Oh, okay. Hey, big, big, big scene right there. Okay, a couple things about Robert. Okay. Speak only when spoken to and cut him a wide berth.

That's what I did for many years. Speak when spoken to and cut that man a wide berth. That was it. A wide berth a wide berth. That's what I did for many years. Speak when spoken to and cut that man a wide berth. That was it. A wide berth? Wide berth. Just give him a lot of room, let him do what he wants and you know. Oh, Jesus. There's no way anybody knew what that meant. Cut a wide

berth. Jeff's a five-tool player here. I don't know if you knew that, Robert. Alright, Robert. I got a... Did not. a... NFL career of all the plays that you've had, over thousands of plays that you've had, what percentage have you been held on by the opposition? Oh my God.

97%. They're holding bastards. They're holding bastards. My favorite Robert Mathis play came from training camp. And they have one-on-ones. First day you put pads on, they have one-on-ones. And it's always D-end versus tackle.

And then they got a little pad up as the quarterback. The center gets to snap it. So poor Anthony Costanzo used to have to line up one-on-one out there on an island with Robert Mathis. First day of pads, too. So everybody's feeling good. They snap the ball on a stick or might be an actual snap. Robert takes like three steps up the field. What'd you hit?

A fake spin move. Fake spin move. Do you remember? Yeah, you fucking remember for sure. It was the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen in my life. Fake spin move. Then turns back, fake up thing. And Anthony like falls and then goes up and underneath him

and just bats the bag. And you see all the D linlinemen go nuts on thing, and all the offensive linemen just go straight to their helmet. Like, what the fuck's supposed to happen there? And I think Costanzo almost took his helmet and threw it. I think Costanzo almost threw his helmet. Unbelievable. You're such a freak athlete.

Such a freak athlete. I appreciate it. That was like the end of one move that I really couldn't do in the game. I'm just kind of scared to do it. It was a fake spin move, turn, jab up, up and under. It was the most insane thing I've ever seen. We used to just go watch because we didn't have much going on at practice at that time. We would just go watch like one-on-ones, and then we'd be like,

is Robert going today? They'd be like, no. All right, we're out of here. We're going to go watch the wide receivers, I guess. Is Reggie going? No were like, no. Alright, we're out of here. We're going to go watch the wide receivers, I guess. Is Reggie going? No. Well, fuck. I guess we'll go to the fullbacks and linebacks. It's like me and Vinny just showing up

at the gate of a theater. Who's performing tonight? Is Robert performing? Yeah, we'll stick around. That was awesome. Those were good old days. This next guy's name is Zito. Dumbest human on earth. Can't wait to hear what comes out of his mouth. Oh, hey, Mr. Mathis. When you're coaching, do you ever want to throw the pads on

and do some drills with the boys? Oh, a lot, a lot. But as the season progresses, it's like, no, I'm okay, because these youngsters, they're hitting out here. So my time is up, and so I'm okay watching them hit. So you've gotten past the itch of getting back into football? Yeah, it's just almost totally out of my system

but playoff time it still kind of lives in there. I think that is an accurate assessment for me as well. It was like watching a regular season it was like, yeah, I don't really miss the whole grind every single day

for this. And then the playoffs happened. It's like, man, those were some electric moments. Some electric moments. This next guy is a diehard Patriot fan, Robert. His name's Connor. You can say whatever you need to say to him. Hey, Robert.

Great to meet you. You're a really great guy. Who's the toughest quarterback you had to run against? You know, you can say whatever you need to say to him. Hey, Robert. Great to meet you. You're a really great guy. Who's the toughest quarterback you had to run against? You know, you got the wheels. We've understood that. But who's the hardest to catch aside from Tom Brady? You think Tom Brady's the hardest to catch? Impossible.

Brady's not hard to catch. He just gets rid of the balls. He phrased it badly. I'd say Drew Brees, man. His pocket awareness is second to none, man. He gets rid of the football, and he just feels the pressure. So I'd say him, Drew Brees. Hey, Kyler Murray drawing a lot of comparisons to Drew Brees,

to Russell Wilson, to Baker Mayfield, to everybody, basically. You think he's going to be a good player in the league? He's a quarterback. I don't care. Let's talk about Bosa. I'd rather talk about Bosa. Yeah, you like Bosa? Good Italian guy.

You know, his grandpa, I think, was a hitman. I don't see that. I see pass rusher. You like Bosa a lot, huh? Yeah, I like Bosa. He's fucking thots. I saw a lot, huh? Yeah, I like Bosa. His fucking thighs. There's also a lot of other guys in this draft. It's a very deep, deep draft, man, as far as edge and interior pass rush.

So I'm liking it, man. I'm liking it. Okay, this next guy's name is Ty Schmid. He's from Iowa. Hates damn near everything about life. Robert, who was one of or the toughest tackle or offensive lineman you had to go against in your career? Oh, man.

Hands down, Walter Jones, man. Wow. Walter Jones. Yeah, he was a B and a half. So he was definitely the toughest. What was it? Because he got his hands on you fastest? Yeah. Yeah. He's definitely the toughest What was it? Because he got his hands on you fastest? Yeah

He'd make you think And it takes Dwight to tell this story And it's hilarious But he would make you think you beat him around the edge But he would straight put those big Bare paws On your shoulder And the next thing you know he'd hit you right in the hip

And he'd stand you straight up And that was the first time that ever happened. It was a different type of technique. So we're trying to dip our shoulder, run the corner. He catches you, and he just kind of pops your back. He was like, what the hell? But you stopped in place, man. Thinking about you and Dwight

going back to the huddle and be like, this motherfucker just, hey, what the fuck was that? Hey, this guy just, hey, did you see what he did? That's hysterical.

Well, Robert, we appreciate you, man. Gridiron Gang, how can people find it? How can people get behind it? What can we get doing here for it? Hey, proxathlete.com.

We are up and running and we are still under construction but grand park come on out and we're going to officially launch it this week so look out for it at all contact info is we'll be on deck so look out for it because we're coming and we got next hey that's awesome i can't wait to watch it grow watch the empire build i think we have to have a kicking camp of some sort uh and let gridiron gang run that thing we'll have a good time with it yeah let's go punch snap and kick uh pat mcafee uh adam venetary justin snow let's get it man the gang's all here let's go baby hey as long as there's music playing i'm in in. Hey, you sent quite a hostile fucking tweet to me just a couple weeks ago.

I had people asking me if Robert Malthus was going to beat me up. Hey, man, I've been trying to get in on this investment opportunity. It was 2010, 11, whatever the hell you came in to leave. And you would never let me in on it,

man, so I think you're ass-kicking me. Hey, you cost me a million dollars, man. Hey, I want to let you know, the investment door is hotter than it's ever been, and we can get you in at the original rate. That is no problem at all. Ladies and gentlemen, Hall of Famer, Gridiron Gang founder, great teammate, and just a great dude in general. Ladies and gentlemen, Robert Mathis.

Thank you, Robert. Appreciate it, man. Thanks, man. Hey, I'm trying to get that Monday Night Football gig, too. I think I'll make Mondays hilarious. Oh, my goodness, boy. That'll be awesome. Must see TV. We'll see how it goes. Robert, thank you you so much tell the family we said thanks for your time too all right man take care see ya