The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 056 - March Is A Wild Month... Dan Dakich & Mike Florio Convos As Well

Episode Date: March 19, 2019

Today's show is highlighted for two incredible interviews. First, friend of the show, ESPN college basketball analyst, former head coach, and current radio host, Dan Dakich calls into the show to brea...k down the NCAA Tournament. They cover who some of the teams he likes going in are, why Zion Williamson is different than anyone else he's ever seen, who some of his sleeper upset picks, shares some of his favorite Bob Knight stories, and he answers questions from the around the room in another rendition of "The Room Wants To Know." It's everything you need to get ready for March Madness (2:53-36:02). Later, the Blogfather, friend of the show, and one of the smartest football minds around, Mike Florio calls into the show for a new segment called, "INTERNET BEEF," to discuss his recent war of words with Richard Sherman on Twitter. He breaks down why he was right in his argument with Sherman, what his logic was, and highlights a few more things around the league that carry importance and might try to steal some of the spotlight from the NCAA Tournament. They also do a little Hockey Talk, and discuss who Mike likes for March Madness (42:56-1:11:06). Pat and the guys also discuss their St. Patrick's Day together in Indianapolis and put some of the pieces back together, Pat gives a little wedding update and how he's finally convinced Sam to let Zito be involved in the wedding, the guys chat about their new Bro Bro Bro Bets podcast and what their mission is, and Digs got a new dog which leads to a discussion about Pat facing heat to add more animals to his farm, despite a written contract that says otherwise. Pat also takes to Instagram to answer questions from listeners in the first edition of new segment, "Chat With Pat." Today's a good one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:37 We talk about St. Paddy's Day. We had a great one. We talked to Dan Dockage. Love him or hate him? What he says in the interview with us today about March Madness is magical. Yes, it is. Fill out your brackets with that knowledge in hand, and I think you could become a very wealthy person.
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Starting point is 00:03:11 And even if you're not getting a ticket for free, you're getting it for $10 cheaper and you use promo code PAT at SeatGeek. You're alive, but are you living? Go live and experience something live. Ladies and gentlemen, March Madness Magical Conversation with Dan Dockage. March Madness Magical Conversation with Dan Dockage. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who is a head coach in college basketball at numerous places, including Bowling Green, WVU for a day and a half, Indiana. And now you can hear his voice on the airways here in Indiana every single day.
Starting point is 00:03:47 It's must-hear radio. He also calls games for ESPN. Just yesterday, during the college bracket breakdown, they had him sitting at a round table where the camera was shooting him from behind, showing his bald spot in an incredibly rude way. Ladies and gentlemen, a must-follow on Twitter and a basketball genius, Dan Dawkins. Yeah, I have a rule. Blur the front.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Blur the front. Nothing from behind. Hey, why did they do that to you, though? It was a roundtable. Everybody else had a full head of hair. They could have shot you from any angle. They chose you to be the one with your back to a camera. Diggs walked in this morning and said,
Starting point is 00:04:30 man, they didn't do Dockett any favors yesterday on ESPN. How do you feel about that? Well, I feel like he's a baldest. I'm just aware of the situation because I'm developing a similar situation. Yeah, he's in the same spot. Look, this isn't a bald spot. This is a bald head. I just swooshed the front a little bit, lacquer it down.
Starting point is 00:04:51 In fact, I just got doing it. It's going away. The minute this basketball season's over, I'm coming home. Wow. I'm coming home. I'm going to do it for charity. But, you know, it is. I tell them I do. Nothing from
Starting point is 00:05:06 behind. Let's go. And they screwed. All right. Breaking news. Dokich is doing away with the comb over. He's going to be a bald man next year. That's incredible. Nice bald head. It means you're smarter. You're going to be joining Jay Billis. Speaking of Jay Billis and college basketball, this is what you're on for.
Starting point is 00:05:21 This is the Super Bowl for college basketball. The bracket came out yesterday. What was the most surprising thing about the basketball this is what you're on for this is the super bowl for college basketball with a bracket came out yesterday what was the most surprising thing about the way the bracket was put together in your eyes whether it was somebody who wasn't in and where somebody was placed all that shit uh i don't you know whoever didn't get in didn't deserve to get in michigan state beat michigan three times and uh michigan state plays the number one seat if they get to the Elite Eight. Didn't seem real fair to me, whereas Michigan, who had Michigan State beat three times, gets
Starting point is 00:05:50 the worst number one seat if they get that far. But here's the deal. I mean, let's just, every year on every network, somebody bitches about who's in, who's out. I don't care who's in, who's out. Every year on whatever network, somebody bitches about, well, this team shouldn't be here. Personally, I don't care who's in, who's out. Every year on whatever network, somebody bitches about, well, this team shouldn't be here. Personally, I don't care. Here's what I know.
Starting point is 00:06:10 Thursday, my fat ass is going to be sitting around watching a ton of hoops all day. Friday, my fat ass is going to be sitting around watching a ton of hoops all day. I don't, I'm not, maybe when I get bald, I'll be smart enough to be my friend Seth Greenberg and my friend Jay Billis and have all the answers. I got no answers.
Starting point is 00:06:28 I just watch and I like. That's all. That's all I do. Hey, you've been going after Indiana a bit. You led a charge there late in the day before the bracket came out that Indiana has a chance to get into the tournament. You're a voice of Indiana. You played at Indiana.
Starting point is 00:06:44 You were an interim coach in indiana you're like listen i you might have a shot at getting in here then it turns out they're one of the first four teams out you then went on to i don't want to say uh destroy them but you kind of did what is the state of indiana basketball and as an alumni of that place do you kind of take it personally to see the team fail? Oh, I take it. Look, you went to West Virginia. You love West Virginia.
Starting point is 00:07:11 You were at West Virginia four years. I was at Indiana 17 years. This is where I grew up, 18 to 34 before I left. Basically, it's in my fiber, Indiana basketball. And I don't know if I destroyed them. I just basically said, look, I don't want to hear about you not getting in. You lost 12 or 13 and you still had a chance to get in, which is remarkable in this day and age. I mean, the NCAA, you know, you're not supposed to lose 12 or 13 games and then get in the tournament for crying out loud. Look, Indiana has from the time Coach Knight left, actually from a little bit before Coach Knight left in 2000,
Starting point is 00:07:46 they've tried to, I'm not going to say devalue basketball, but they wanted to distance themselves from anything that, I'm not going to say we did, yeah, I am, us as former players and former coaches were about. They never wanted to go back to the days of Bobby Knight, which is cool, which is fine. But it's been 19 years, and really right now, Indiana went from being one of the true powers where they stood for something, or at least people knew what you were going to get
Starting point is 00:08:12 when you played Indiana, to just another team. And this isn't talking, I'm not speaking out of my backside. I told Fred Glass that when he made the last hire, and I like Archie Miller. But I did tell him, I go, look, you know, there used to be a culture here based on, and I hope Archie brings the culture back, but right now Indiana is just another school and it drives me bat-blank crazy.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Well, I can understand that. I live in Indiana, obviously, full-time. This place would love for the Hoosiers to be great at basketball. Again, I think that would be great for everybody, including yourself. Okay, so what's about to happen is Dan Dockich is about to give us a bunch of inside information. This conversation is a good one. I know
Starting point is 00:08:53 you agree listening at home. Another place for great inside information is where Todd McComas gets all of his scoops. It's one place and one place alone. That's the Action Network. Actionnetwork.com forward slash Pat. Forward slash.
Starting point is 00:09:09 We've talked about this. It looks as if the slash is leaning forward. Backslash is when it's Cholo. Lean back. Lean back. Lean back. Lean back. I said, don't dance.
Starting point is 00:09:23 This is poor business. Do rock away. Lean back. Lean back. Don't dance. It's boy band. Do rock away. Lean back. Lean back. With my tear squad at it. Lean back. So that's a backslash. This is a forward slash.
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Starting point is 00:10:24 Absolutely. Be a smarter gambler. All right, let's get to the bracket a little bit. Yesterday, I watched the bracket break down. Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on. May I, just for a moment?
Starting point is 00:10:37 Yeah, man. May I give a little history here between you and me with the bracket? Yep, you can. You can. A few years ago, I did your bracket. What did you win, a trip to Vegas? That is an accurate assessment. Yeah, you told me that Xavier was going to be a bracket buster.
Starting point is 00:10:59 I got one of the first picks in the bracket buster thing with Bud Light when I was at Barstool. Xavier was the only team that made it to the Sweet 16 or the Elite Eight, and it's all because of Mr. Dan Dockage. I got a free trip to Las Vegas. That is true. Let me ask you a question. What the hell did I get?
Starting point is 00:11:18 I think I gave you a shout-out a couple times. I was like, hey, it's because almost bald Dockage told me. I think I gave you a couple shout-outs. Hey, what did uh almost bald dockage told me i think i gave you a couple shout outs hey you know hey what's that shout out pay what that pay for me you didn't even buy me a butt freaking light a shout out my ass all right man hey people in vegas you're you're at the new york new york you know doing your thing with whatever you do and whoever you do it with and what am i doing i'm in a snowstorm in Indiana, looking at you, watching your Instagram,
Starting point is 00:11:47 going to the heat. People pay good money for their shoutouts, Dan. It's a business. Foxy, please. Foxy, please. A lot of people pay good money for their shoutouts. A lot of money for their shoutouts. Okay, let's get to this bracket. And there's no Vegas trip to be won,
Starting point is 00:12:04 but there is a potential. Every place offers you like a million dollars or a billion dollars if you have a perfect bracket, which I think your brain is going to help us do. The 12 seed, I guess, is 16 and 24 in the first round over the last couple years. Everybody's saying Oregon's the team this year to beat Wisconsin. That's a big 12 seed to make the play. Do you agree with that or not?
Starting point is 00:12:27 You know, I kind of do. I think that Oregon is playing really well, and they've got this kid, and I can't remember his name as I'm talking to you, but he's a big old freak athlete. And if you can guard Wisconsin one-on-one this eighth and a half, you've got a real shot. Of the 5-12 games, I would say that Oregon is probably
Starting point is 00:12:48 the most, a sleeper team that I don't know how many brackets you fill out, but if you want to get a little sexy, New Mexico State is a 12 place. You know, Pat, usually you play 7-8 guys. They play 13 guys. The coach is a great coach. He's in the middle of nowhere. They play Auburn, who is hit or miss.
Starting point is 00:13:04 If you want me to do this, I'll go with the 5s. Murray State's an the Illinois. They play Auburn, who is hit or miss. If you want me to do this, I'll go with the fives. Murray State's an interesting team. Murray State could beat Marquette. Marquette's best player has a bad wrist. Murray State, as a kid, is going to be one of the top five picks in the draft, a guy named John Morant. Mississippi State and Liberty, I assume that'll be close as well. Liberty's won like 28 games. Mississippi State was good for a while. But if I were going to say, okay, give me a 5-12, I'd say Oregon and Wisconsin because they can guard the big guy half.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Is anybody going to be able to touch Duke? Man, yes. North Carolina. If North Carolina can get there. North Carolina's, you know, beat them twice, obviously, without Zion. That's a whole different ballgame, though, right? Isn't it? When Zion's not in the game, now granted, they still have three of the top five picks or whatever on that team.
Starting point is 00:13:47 But when Zion's on the court, it's just a complete different animal. It's like LeBron back in the day. Whenever LeBron was playing, he was coming over to Pennsylvania from his St. Mary's playing Pennsylvania All-Stars. And these little white kids were just getting dunked on in Pennsylvania when LeBron was in high school. It feels like that whenever Zion's on the court with these college kids. It's a whole different ball game. Do you not agree with that? Oh, yeah. Hey, man. I mean, I don't like that kid. I love
Starting point is 00:14:12 it. I did his first game back against Syracuse at the ACC tournament. Swear to God, it was electric. Yeah, it's a totally different game. So for me to say, you know, North Carolina State beat him without Zion, you know, it's like saying the most handsome man at the Dockage family reunion. It just doesn't mean anything. North Carolina did, and they were right there to beat them again. I mean, with Zion Williamson. That's really the only team that I see. UVA
Starting point is 00:14:39 lost to them without Zion. Michigan State's playing great. They might meet in the regional final. In fact, I think they will meet in the regional final, and Michigan State will give them a game. But I don't know if they have enough. Kentucky has a shot. Kentucky, big, strong up front, but they're not going to get past North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:14:57 But no, it's Duke's tournament with Zion playing the way he's playing. Is he the first college basketball player you've seen that has been universally liked by everybody? It seems like everybody loves Zion. It's like everybody hates Duke. That's a standard. Nobody likes the yuppies from Duke. They're a bunch of snobs. Everybody hates Duke. Anytime they get on TV,
Starting point is 00:15:14 I hate them. This year, it's been a complete different animal. Everybody likes Zion because he's just a game changer. Am I accurate with that assessment, even with you TV people? A hundred percent. I'm good with Duke either way, but I love that kid. That kid plays hard.
Starting point is 00:15:30 That kid, like, he dives in the middle of piles. Hey, look, so many guys now go to the NBA combine. Here's what happens in college basketball if you've got a minute. Guys go to the NBA combine, you know, after their freshman or sophomore year. They say they're going to the NBA. The NBA tells them, look, you're not good enough. You've got to work on this. There are probably three or four guys off the top of my head, maybe more, I'm sure, that play for the NBA when they come back to their college season. There are a lot of guys that play AAU basketball. And AAU basketball, you play for Adidas or you play for Nike. You kind of – and you get caught up in that,
Starting point is 00:16:06 and you become a McDonald's All-American, and then you get to college, and you don't know who the hell you're playing for. Am I a shoe guy? Am I playing for a shoe company? Or am I playing for my college team? Then there's dudes like Zion Williams who just say to hell with this. I'm playing for my guys, and I'm playing for my team, and we're going to go bust it harder than
Starting point is 00:16:26 anybody that's a team dude so you got nba guy you got guy playing for a shoe company you got shoe guy and you got team guy and zion williamson man is going to make more money in shoes he's going to make more money in the nba than anybody out there in college basketball but he's the toughest hardest playing dude in college basketball. I'm telling you, I'm walking around here. I'm getting a little excited. I'm starting to sweat walking around my hotel room right here. It feels so good. Hey, it feels like a little bit of a man crush because you are a hard guy to win over. You're an old school guy, a traditional guy. You would think somebody who was at all the hype of the modern age would be a millennial hype machine, would be somebody that you would think somebody who is at all the hype of the modern age
Starting point is 00:17:05 would be a millennial hype machine would be somebody that you would hate but that is a credit to how hard zion works on the court oh the dude hey the dude plays so hard and he's so much fun and he does it every day and i swear to god i was sitting with a bunch of syracuse people sean mcdonough who is my broadcast partner got us into a suite with Syracuse people to watch his game against Syracuse, and we're sitting there, and the entire crowd, including Syracuse people, were kind of on the edge of their seat when Zion had the ball, when Zion was running the floor. I'm telling you, the dude, McAfee, you got more money than God.
Starting point is 00:17:40 You need to take all your boys right there, pay for them to go out to the regional, watch Zion Williamson play, do all the crazy stuff that you do after, and thank me later and say, damn, that was a great experience. It's weird. It's the only guy in my life in college basketball I've ever said that about. Do you think he and R.J. Barrett are going to hate each other in the end? Seems like that's the route it goes right i was watching that game i was watching that game
Starting point is 00:18:08 the other day and rj barrett was getting hot or whatever but all the announcers or commentators are saying like they gotta start getting a ball to zion they gotta start feeding the ball to zion rj was the number one guy coming out right because nobody thought zion could do what he did to those high school kids in college now that's turned out to be completely false zion's gonna be the first pick of the draft we We all know that. R.J. Barrett's going to be chasing Zion's legacy forever, and he was the number one guy coming out. I'll be excited to see if they hate
Starting point is 00:18:31 each other or not in 10 years, or if they're friends, like Carmelo and LeBron and Dwayne Wade and all them. Yeah, but they never played together other than the Olympics. Boys, I kneel at your wisdom. That's a pro move right there. That's pro conversation right there. I do.
Starting point is 00:18:49 I genuflect, man, because that's deep thinking pro stuff. I'm mad at you. You're making more than me. We played together. We were good friends. Now it's all about you, not me. That's some deep-ish right there, McAfee. I like it.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Hey, especially in, especially in a social media brand world that we live in, man. I, RJ Barrett, I would assume RJ Barrett himself loves Zion right now. They're friends with each other. They go to work together. They laugh together and stuff like that. But there's members of the RJ Barrett team, I assume that aren't the most excited about how this whole season has turned out. And I'll be excited to see if they creep in with that being said um duke's gonna win this entire thing who's
Starting point is 00:19:29 your final four have you filled out a bracket yet yeah and i hate mom i'm like most big 10 fans i hate dockets right now i do because i got i got all chalk. I got Duke, Gonzaga, UNC, and Virginia. I got Purdue making a little run getting past Old Dominion and Villanova. And then I got beat in Tennessee as well. That's kind of a revenge game from a year ago, but I don't think they can beat Virginia. I got Kentucky making a run, Texas Tech making a run to get to the Sweet 16, but I got Gonzaga, Duke, Virginia, and North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:20:10 All right. But my bracket sucks. Other than helping you, I've never helped anybody in my life, and I lose five bucks to my mother every year. Hold on. Why don't you feel good about helping me instead of just feeling envious? Why don't we feel good about helping out the world and sending a friend to Vegas for a free trip because of your big brain? No, there's too much bitterness in there.
Starting point is 00:20:34 RJ Barrett looking motherfucker. I saw you. I know the hijinks that goes on with Mac. And you know what I'm doing? I'm sitting at my house dodging a hawk while you're out there. And you know what I'm doing? I'm sitting at my house dodging a hawk while you're out there. There's too much pent-up resentment for your success in that one a couple years ago.
Starting point is 00:20:53 All right. There's a little segment we do called The Room Once in a While. I'll go around the room. The boys want to ask you a question. First one comes from Tom McComas, diehard Hoosier fan. Yeah, I have a question for you directly about Archie Miller. You touched on it a little bit earlier. Are you out on Archie Miller?
Starting point is 00:21:09 Are you going to sit and give him time? Because so far, I'm not too happy. I feel like it's a young team. I think you got one more year, man. I think you got one more year until people, you know, as they say with NWA, the spot's getting hot. I do. I get it. I get it.
Starting point is 00:21:28 He'll fully have his kids then or whatever the people are saying. Am I wrong in noticing? This is what I noticed, and this is what I'm hanging my hat on, is he seems to let this young team get very deep in the weeds before he'll call a timeout and make an adjustment. Is that by design design or is that just bad coaching oh basketball talk that's a great question because a lot of coaches have different philosophies like like if you're you know i don't know if you remember 1987 when keith smart hits a
Starting point is 00:21:56 shot right to win national championship yes uh i used to tell you coach now you say well you never call a timeout right that's an example of why and i'm like yeah so that's i used to tell Coach Knight, he'd say, well, you never call a timeout. That's an example of why. And I'm like, yeah. So I used to tell him, that's the shot we wanted, right? Our third best shooter falling out of bounds to win a national championship game. That's the one we wanted there, champ. And then he would tell me, shut the hell up, Doc. I didn't strangle you. That's an interesting thing because I've kind of felt that too.
Starting point is 00:22:24 My bigger problem with the way Indiana goes about their business is I don't know what they are. Like, I don't know, are you a defensive team? What's your identity? You know what I mean? Like, Purdue, you know they're going to get better. They're going to be tough. Duke's going to play it up and down.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Kentucky is going to – Indiana always had an identity. I don't know what the identity is. Now, that's not fair to Archie. He's two years in. That's why I say, you know, get identity is. Now, that's not fair to Archie. He's two years in. That's why I say get another year, but here's the problem. You're losing Romeo Lankford, who's going to be an NBA draft choice, and you're losing your best
Starting point is 00:22:51 post guy. Work's cut out. Tough job, but I've been all over their ass, so you know what? I just want to see them play hard all the time, and they didn't do it. Atta boy. Atta boy. Great question, Todd. Next one's from Diggs, who's a degenerate. I'm assuming this is going to be a gambling question. Slightly. Dan, I got
Starting point is 00:23:07 some higher-seeded teams that I'm intrigued in and I want to see who you think might go the farthest. So I got Wofford, Buffalo, New Mexico State, Nevada. Do you have any thoughts on any of those teams that you think that might be able to make a run? Eliminate Wofford from your brain. Just eliminate it. That's media
Starting point is 00:23:23 hype. Here's the deal. Every good team they've played, they've had their brains beat out. I mean, they're a nice team. They've got a good shooter. They might play well enough to play it down the stretch. Eliminate them. Buffalo's interesting to me. I watched them play the other day.
Starting point is 00:23:38 They are crazy. Like, they sprint and run and kick and drive, and that can go well unless you start missing shots. I'm taking Buffalo to win their first round game, whether it's Arizona State or St. John's, but I'm taking them to lose the second round. Nevada, I really like. Nevada's going to beat Florida.
Starting point is 00:23:56 Nevada's one of those teams, I think, that kind of lived off of the, what's the right word, lived off of last year. Didn't really give a rat during the regular season. Now they're going to turn it on. But I think they're going to lose in the second round to Michigan
Starting point is 00:24:11 because John Beeline never loses in the NCAA tournament. And that's a dumb reason, but I like them. Who's the other team? New Mexico State. You talked about them earlier. You thought they might win. Oh, man. I wish they didn't play Auburn.
Starting point is 00:24:23 I wish New Mexico State, as a 12 seed, I wish they played Wisconsin or Oregon in that game, or Oregon or Wisconsin. I did beat Wisconsin. I wish like hell they didn't play Auburn. Because Bruce Pearl and his crew, they can be really good, but they can be really bad. If you take New Mexico State to beat Auburn, people are going to call you nuts,
Starting point is 00:24:47 and then you might get the genius tag at the end of the day. Hey, I partied with Bruce Pearl one time down there in Tennessee. It was like a couple months after that boat picture surfaced for him. He's a good time. You can lay it down, man. Bruce Pearl is a good time. I hope he does well. I'd like to see him celebrate.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Next question is from a guy named Nick. Loves hockey. Not sure what this question is going to be about. Dan, great leading by Pat there. I'm obviously a hockey guy. I know nothing about basketball, so I need your help here. I need one pick from the great Dan Dockage off the cuff here. Guaranteed.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Guaranteed. We need one lock. One upset that's going to make me look really good. One first-round upset. What is it? I'll tell you this. I took Vegas last night, and they won 6-3 in hockey. So there you go.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Hey! Vegas Golden Knight fans in the building. One lock in terms of you want to do this with the spread? Yeah. I'll take dude beating North Carolina Central. How's that? I think they're going to win that one.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Perfect. Money line. Hammer it. Hey, as long as you're making money, you ain't going broke. That's right. Perfect. Money line. Hammer it. Hey, as long as you're making money, you ain't going broke. That's right. I'll give you one that's going to be close in the line. And, in fact, Nevada might not even be favored. They might be an underdog.
Starting point is 00:25:58 But if that line is anywhere underneath three, four, whatever it is, I'd take Nevada over Florida. Here's the deal. I really believe, I think Nevada's just one of those teams. Florida's not very good. They got a little bit of a run. But I would take Nevada. If we're talking about one of those games that, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:16 obviously I'd take Virginia over Gardner-Webb or, you know, that, but I'd take Nevada beating Florida. That should be a fairly decent money line. Or, excuse me, that should be a fairly decent spread. Next question is from Gorms. Gorms, what's up? Coach, I want your opinion on Kelvin Sampson and the Houston Cougars. Two losses all year. Can they make a run?
Starting point is 00:26:35 They got three losses because they lost yesterday. No doubt. They can make a run. Houston and Georgia State. I don't know if you remember Georgia State, but Ron Hunter used to live in Indy. He fell off a chair when he had a broken leg. His son was a shooter, right? Yeah, his son was really good.
Starting point is 00:26:51 Hey, the legendary graduate assistant, Andrew Dockage of Ohio State, they play Iowa State. He says they're going to win and meet up with Houston, and there is no way that Ohio State can beat Houston in my humble opinion. I've got Houston getting to the Sweet 16 and losing to Kentucky, but I'll say this. When I watch Houston play, damn.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Like, holy damn. They got guys. They got guys that can shoot. They got athletes on the perimeter that can guard, but I don't think they can play with Kentucky, but I do have them going to the Sweet 16. Let's go, Dan. Hey, Dan, you're on fire right now. I want to let you know we're going to keep it going. This guy's from Chicago, very dumb named Zito.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Mr. Dockich, what's your favorite Mr. Knight story? Bob Knight. I got a bunch, but I love when he cut or what did he do? He cussed out, splashed, kicked Damon Bailey, Allen Henderson, and Pat Graham, three players off, Alan Henderson, and Pat Graham, three players off of our team, and he was buck naked when he did it. Maybe I've told you that story on this show. I don't know, but he came out of the shower.
Starting point is 00:27:58 He told me to go get these three kids, and he's buck naked, and he's screaming and he's yelling. He's got a towel, and he's shamming the undercarriage with the towel while he's screaming at these guys and bailey who i don't know if you remember the name damon bailey but he's one of the all-time greatest dudes ever he just starts laughing like he's getting kicked off the team because we lost the game he's the worst player in history of basketball blah blah blah but bailey can't stop laughing because here's Bob Knight. You know, things are swinging around and buck-ass naked with a towel, screaming at the top of his – now, when I say everything's turning red, I mean everything's turning red.
Starting point is 00:28:34 All right. How long were they kicked off the team for, about a day? Oh, no, no, no. We went to practice. Everything was good. Next guy's from Boston. He's loud. Connor, what's up? Hey up hey dan do we have any players
Starting point is 00:28:46 this year like uh steph curry who are really going to make a name for themselves in the tournament maybe turn into somebody in the nba zion yeah there's a kid and i'm gonna screw his name up it's like oh no or uno from yale now you're not gonna believe that but yale has a real chance to beat lsu because Yale can shoot it. And this kid is not a mystery to NBA guys. He originally committed to Williams College, and then his parents are like, damn, if we're going to pay $60,000 to go to Williams College,
Starting point is 00:29:15 we might as well pay $60,000 to go to freaking Yale. Right? So Yale is really good. Like, they make baskets. Like, like they score and this kid scores and if yale can get by lsu it's going to be because of this kid uh whose name honestly got it it's like uno is his last name i can't i may have that a little bit wrong but uh he's gonna be a guy that people know because if they get by lsu they got a real shot to beat Maryland. Hey, LSU's coach is in some hot water right now due to saying he paid kids, basically, kids' parents.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Is that just everywhere? I don't think it's everywhere. There's 352 teams, and there's a few. But my man, I think, is caught on a wiretap in a federal investigation. Like, to me, there's a saying with the FBI, if they knock on your door, they already know. You know what I mean? My man is in trouble if he's on a wire. But you've got to give him credit.
Starting point is 00:30:16 He is standing firm. He is blaming others. He is saying, hey, it's not nobody. Hey, you got to, Ari Gold said it best. You got to deny until you die, my friend. Deny until you die. Right. I wasn't there.
Starting point is 00:30:32 I didn't know what you were talking about. Is that my voice? I don't even think that's my voice. This next guy is a huge Michigan State fan. He's a little bit upset that they ended up in the Duke thing because he actually, I think i heard him saying earlier today think thinks that the committee fucked up michigan and michigan state and they just switched them yeah they just mixed up the names yeah but he has a question his name's
Starting point is 00:30:52 evan yeah dan the uh big 10 hasn't got it done since 2000 do you think there's any reason for that or is it just a bad luck man that's a great question uh you know the reason for that i don't think there there's not, like when you look at different leagues, right, they got a lot of teams that get to the Final Four. When you look at Michigan, Wisconsin, and Michigan State over the years, really have been in, I guess Indiana went in 2002. That's a really good question.
Starting point is 00:31:19 You know, they got all the resources. They got the fan bases. There's a great recruiting area. But I don't really have an answer for that. I want to say bad luck I suppose. To your other point, I'm with you, but here's what they told me. I was going to bitch
Starting point is 00:31:34 last night on these shows about Michigan and Michigan State. One of the guys that ran the tournament for a long time said, look, Dan, you really don't go into who's going to play who in the Elite Eight. You really don't. I said, well, if you don't go into who's going to play who in the Elite Eight. You really don't. I said, well, if you don't go into who's going to play who in the Elite Eight,
Starting point is 00:31:49 then why the hell do you have seating? I mean, just play every – let Vegas do it. Play the best games and let's go. Dan, you're too smart. I think they did what you said. I think they screwed it up. You cannot tell me that a team in Michigan State that beat another team in Michigan three times doesn't
Starting point is 00:32:06 deserve a better seed I don't care if it's the first round or I don't care if it's a damn elite eight they deserve a better seed when you're talking about three wins so I'm with you I think Michigan State got jobbed in that I read somewhere on the internet so it has to be true that the way they do that is the highest ranked two seed they do it geographically so they don't have to travel as far. And they just so happen to fall right into Zion's fucking bracket. Michigan State's going all the way to D.C. still. That's pretty far. Yeah, bro. We still got god damn
Starting point is 00:32:34 we got better planes than we had back in the 80s though. This ain't that big of a deal. Whoa. A true story. You know those planes that got grounded? That's affecting the NCAA tournament apparently. Not because they used those planes, but because the next plane, it's like next man up, you know? So that's going to affect it.
Starting point is 00:32:50 So Michigan State really got screwed. Geographically, though, they're in a better spot. Geographically. Last question comes from an Iowa fan, Ty Schmidt. Dan, Iowa, wildly inconsistent. Very tough to watch. Just curious why you think that is. And also, what are your thoughts on Fran McCaffrey? Oh man, there's nothing better than Fran Con
Starting point is 00:33:13 When he gets hot, man It's the best When my man gets hot, it's the show in itself I love the guy We've had our spats We had a little to-do a few years ago Over a kid named Woodbury He ripped me, I ripped him
Starting point is 00:33:23 But I love him I mean, I love talking to him before games. I love talking to his wife. Everybody, they're great. So I love the man. Iowa, man, like to me, you talk about a team that can make a run because in the tournament you've got to be able to shoot the basketball. These dudes can shoot from five spots.
Starting point is 00:33:44 But here's the deal, and this is the way it seems to me. Every time they get into a big spot, they get their ass beat. I'm sitting there going, how do you trust them? I want to because, as I said, I love Fran. Bohannon is a bad man. They're playing a Cincinnati team that is almost the opposite of them. They've got one kid in Cumberland that can really shoot it. And oh, by the way, if you're
Starting point is 00:34:08 in some kind of player scoring average pool or whatever a lot of people get into, take Jaron Cumberland because if he plays one game, he's going to have 30. If he plays two games in a term, he's going to have 60. And you see where I'm going here. If he has three games, he's going to have 90.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Okay. Not bad. Yeah. Yeah, not bad. Yeah, yeah. They're playing their polar opposite in Cincinnati. So here's the deal. If they make a bunch of threes, they'll win the game. But they ain't out tough in Cincinnati.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Right. Hey, so that's a mental thing then if they can't make shots in big games. So maybe they win the first game, they'll lose the second one then due to expectations being too high. Normally you can judge people like that. The first one's a badass game, though. Cincinnati just won their championship, beat Houston, held Houston to like 53. And they have the Mafia Don, Mick Cronin,
Starting point is 00:35:00 who I swear to God looks like Sammy the Bull Gravano. And, you know, it's going to be – that's going to be tough for Iowa. When I saw that for Iowa, I thought to myself, man, that's a bad matchup. All right. Well, Dan, I appreciate you so much. Did you piss anybody off this year? Oh, yeah. I got a bunch of folks in Indiana hot at me.
Starting point is 00:35:19 I got Michigan State. They tried. They weren't very enthusiastic about it. They chanted, we hate Dockage. Chanted in the crowd. They weren't very enthusiastic about it. They chanted, we hate Dockage. Chanted in the crowd. They weren't very enthusiastic. Anytime you can get 12,000 people to chant that they hate you, I think you're doing something right.
Starting point is 00:35:38 The perfect heel commentator, coach, player, a man that loves college hoops. Can't wait to sit his bald, fat ass and watch him., can't wait to sit his bald fat ass and watch him I can't wait to see if his predictions come true ladies and gentlemen you can follow him on Twitter at Dan Dockett, you can listen to him 10-7 to the fan ESPN, 10-3 is that it, or noon to 3? yeah 10-3 that's too much work
Starting point is 00:35:58 noon to 3 shorten it up, shorten it up hey that black suit looked good the other day, I think I tweeted about it a. Hey, that black suit looked good the other day. I think I tweeted about it a couple times. The all black looked good. You look like Johnny Cash. I know.
Starting point is 00:36:10 I figured a guy like you that respects fashion the way you do would appreciate that look. I do. Hey, by the way, the Boston Garden is still not in Hartford. Hey, man. I was on some vitamins. You get it. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Dockett.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Thank you. See you guys. I got to go to work. Hey, you were incredible. Thank you, Dan. Anytime, brother. Anytime. You know that.
Starting point is 00:36:34 See you guys. See you. Dockett is good. He is good. I like him a lot. People hate him. I don't get it. He's a heel.
Starting point is 00:36:43 Yeah, he is. He plays the heel role I think he wants I mean he just He literally bragged About 12,000 people strong With not enough enthusiasm Saying they hate him
Starting point is 00:36:51 Yeah Which by the way If you're a heel in wrestling Sports entertainment That is what you're looking for You're looking for a place To either hate you Or love you
Starting point is 00:36:58 And Dockers is one that I love But I understand why people Hate him too I think you gotta respect him though Because he shits on everyone equally. He's not choosing favorites. He gives everyone the business. That's what I love.
Starting point is 00:37:10 He calls them for what it is, man. People are so touchy about their schools. That's where the hate comes from. Well, there's a lot of pride, which I respect. I respect a lot. But Dan also, we can't discount his knowledge for basketball. Been in the game a long time, college basketball a long time. His ass ain't never going pro,
Starting point is 00:37:25 so he didn't care about pro ever. So he was a big college basketball fan when he was a kid, when he played, coach, and now... Hey, Jordan looks stupid. Shut him down. Yeah, he did. Kept him under 10.
Starting point is 00:37:34 Jordan still owes him money, he says. What else is new? Whoa. Big old deep pockets, those giant pants he's always wearing. He's a billionaire. He can wear whatever he wants. By the way, if I become a billionaire from selling shoes, I'm going to wear some big ass pockets.
Starting point is 00:37:48 You won't wear those pants. Have you seen those things? No, I won't. You're right. I have a little fashion forwardness in me. Yeah. I'm one step ahead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:56 People have been saying that a long time. Look for the peg jeans, by the way, to hit the entire country. Six months. Next fall. Next fall. That's it. I like that. I think the peg country, six months. Next fall. Next fall. I think the peg jeans will start happening. Cuffs up has always been in play, where you just roll the cuffs up.
Starting point is 00:38:12 I think the peg jeans are coming next fall. Just a little insider scoop in the fashion world. It's a jean jogger. Haven't been around since mid-'80s, so that's a long way back. By the way, I'm having a little bit of issue with the right peg. It seems to be coming off at a much larger rate. I think it's because the right leg moves a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:38:31 It gets motion sick. The peg gets motion sick. It unpicks. I guess back in the 80s, you guys used to do something. I think you put rubber gum bands in there. Whatever we do. I had a nice talk. I had talk, talk, flap over, talk. It used to be like you put rubber... Absolutely. I think you put rubber gum bands in there. Yeah. Whatever we do. But I had a nice tuck.
Starting point is 00:38:46 I had a tuck, tuck, flap over tuck. So it was good. And a roll? Yeah, and a little roll on it. So they just stayed locked in. I do tuck roll. You're saying I should do two tucks. Yeah, I always bought bigger.
Starting point is 00:38:56 I mean, well, I got hand-me-downs too, so they were longer. So I just got bigger. Lock them in. He talks about Bob Knight being naked in there. Yeah, pretty wild. It's pretty wild. It's a wild story. Hilarious.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Damon Bailey laughing at him. Damon Bailey coaches Butler girls basketball. Fun fact. I didn't know that. Fun fact for everybody.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Nice. The fact that nobody else knew that kind of worries me. Might be wrong. I don't follow Butler women's basketball that closely. So I did a shoot at Hinkle Fieldhouse with the NFL Network. And it was me, MJD, Ike Taylor, and Damon Bailey.
Starting point is 00:39:39 And we played basketball at Hinkle Fieldhouse. And he was there. And I think he was there because he was a coach of the Butler women's team. He was an assistant coach recently resigned. Okay. Did great. You ain't going to beat him in a shooting contest. Beg to differ. I was
Starting point is 00:39:53 feeding him the rock because I heard the stories of Damon Bailey. It was me and him versus MJD and Ike Taylor two on two and I was just feeding. By the way, I'm pretty silky when I start getting loose with my passes. I enjoy a nice setup. I was setting up Damon Bailey on a very regular basis.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Was he onions just every time? They were not falling. No, really? He was passing them back to me at one point. I'm like, no, no. The reason why I sent it your way. He was very nice, though. Like a gentleman.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Funny. Very funny. But his jumper wasn't where it was. He's passing me the ball a lot. Stop passing me the ball. Well, he knew he didn't have it that day. He's probably used to a women's ball at this point. That could be an issue.
Starting point is 00:40:36 That is a game changer. He's practicing with that every day. The weight differential there. Big difference. Size, too. 28.5. So why am I blaming him? You know who I am blaming in this whole thing?
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Starting point is 00:41:53 What's the first thing you put on and the last thing you take off? Underwear. Never think about it, though. You always buy that shithole old cotton underwear. What does it do? It rides up. It don't wick. Traps moisture. Traps moisture. You might as well have a rear naked choke on your kidney might as well
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Starting point is 00:43:18 Oh Is for your chips Yeah Not your bits Don't forget Ladies and gentlemen Mike Florio For your chips. Not your bits. Don't forget. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Florio. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who's got a massive brain.
Starting point is 00:43:37 He's from the state of West Virginia. He used to be a lawyer. Then he decided to take his talents to the Internet. His blog has been sold twice. Once to ESPN. Then he rebooted and sold it to NBC. A trailblazer in the internet, a trailblazer in the football world, a man who knows everything about everything until he gets questioned by somebody, which happened yesterday, kicking off a new segment called Internet Beef.
Starting point is 00:44:04 Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk. What's up, Mike? Pat, it's always great to talk to you. Let me just say this. I have been doing radio spots for the last 18 years, and your show is the only one where, first of all, I make the call. Everybody else calls me, but because I love you, I call you. And when I dial the number, I don't get hello, I don't get please hold.
Starting point is 00:44:28 All I hear is, I don't even hear a ring. All I hear is, ladies and gentlemen. I love it. I'm going to be honest, Mike. I don't know if we can call you and record it. I don't know. I don't think we understand the tech side of that. Let's dive right into it.
Starting point is 00:44:44 You got into a hilarious altercation with a Stanford grad, Richard Sherman, on the Internet over a potential beef in the NFLPA agent meeting with CBA conversation. Can you elaborate a little bit in why Richard Sherman was wrong and you were right? Yeah, let me keep it as simple as possible. Thank you. And let me just say this. I believe that there is no one
Starting point is 00:45:10 currently in the media that covers the NFL that advocates more for player rights and player interests than I do. I agree. I stand out in the street and say they should get rid of the draft. That players coming out of college should be able to pick their first team. Folks lose their mind, but I've converted many people to believe that that is the fair thing to do,
Starting point is 00:45:26 that it's unfair to tell a guy where you're going to go play. They should be allowed to pick where they're going to go, just like they pick which college they go to. But anyway, that's just one example of a way that I'm always very sensitive to the rights of the players. Agreed. I caught wind of a memo that summarized a meeting that happened last Monday between roughly 60 players and a handful of agents. And the players brought the agents in because apparently the players wanted
Starting point is 00:45:52 input from the agents on how to prepare for the expiration of the current labor deal coming up in less than two years. Is there going to be a lockout? Is there going to be a strike, etc.? And it got contentious. And the memo created by the NFL Players Association made it clear that it got heated, it got contentious, and at times it got ugly. And the memo created by the NFL Players Association made it clear that it got heated, it got contentious, and at times it got ugly. And the memo expresses a very strong degree of concern about some of the things that some of the agents said. So I got the memo. I wrote a story yesterday about what is reflected in the memo that was prepared by the union, not by the agents, not by anybody else, but by the union. And Richard Sherman, who's a member of the union's executive committee, immediately took issue.
Starting point is 00:46:29 He took issue so fast, I don't even think he read my story. So I said, hey, I guess I have to post the whole memo in order to let people decide whether or not it was a contentious meeting. And then it all went downhill or uphill from there, and he kept taking shots at me all day long. And some of the things he said were just untrue, but it's impossible to, shouting into that vacuum, that void of Twitter, convince people that you're right and someone else is wrong. But the bottom line is, he shouldn't be fighting with me, and he definitely shouldn't be fighting with me on an issue on which I am factually correct. And if I was wrong, I'd say so.
Starting point is 00:47:02 So, yeah, that was my Sunday. That was my nice relaxing like i you know like son it's like hey this is gonna be a nice relaxing day right get a refuel recharge before we do pft live for five days and i gotta travel a couple of times this week we're going to arizona next weekend for the league meeting but you know it's a nice day where things will just kind of slow down but nope i i love that as soon as Richard Sherman responded to you, like his followers who didn't even read anything you said were saying that old Florio got buried.
Starting point is 00:47:32 I'm like, I don't think so. I don't think Florio did. What is the big deal right now? So why would they call the agents in for the CBA? So let me get this straight. The CBA is up in two years. Everybody knows that. Whenever it was renegotiated in 2010,
Starting point is 00:47:47 everybody knew that there was going to be another one of these in 10 years. We're just staring down the barrel of the gun, where everybody knows this is coming in 10 years. The NFLPA has been run by the same guy for that entire time. I won't say anything bad about him. I don't think he's great at his job. I saw him at a Super Bowl. He wore three different suits in one day. I saw him at three different events. I don't love the guy. I think he's a little bit too flashy for his job. They bring in agents,
Starting point is 00:48:14 and agents, there's a lot of good agents. I think there's some good agents, but there's a lot of bad agents too, and I'd assume that some of them were in there as well. What was the entire meeting about? What were the agents telling players? What was that whole thing about? Well, here's what I think led to the meeting. After the last CBA was done, there was plenty of criticism of DeMora Smith, the NFLPA executive director, by agents.
Starting point is 00:48:39 They weren't happy with the deal that was done. They weren't happy that they didn't have a seat at the table. And I have been pushing back against some of them for years saying, look, when you have one hand tied behind your back, when you have a group of players who will never miss a game check, and you're going against a group of owners who will shut the league down for a full season and are ready to do it, you have a disadvantage. And you do the best deal you can in light of the fact that your players
Starting point is 00:49:06 refuse to miss one week, much less one year of game check. So he did the best deal he could, given those circumstances. So I think that acrimony has been bubbling for eight years. You throw on top of it the fact that the union's executive committee has both Richard Sherman and Russell Okung on it now, both of whom negotiated their own contracts, both of whom are trying to advocate to other players that they don't need agents, both of whom are making a mistake by both representing themselves and telling others to do the same. You throw that together, and there's a lot of resentment between Sherman, Okung, and the agents over the criticism that both of those guys received
Starting point is 00:49:40 for doing their own deals because they both did bad deals. Okung's second deal was a lot better, but his first deal was a disaster. Sherman's deal last year was a disaster. So that is all bubbling up. That's all there, and they bring these agents in because I think basically what they want to be able to say to the agents, okay, fine, wise guys, tell us what we should do. You get a seat at the table now.
Starting point is 00:50:02 You fix this. You tell us what we need to do. And that attitude, I think, permeated it, especially early in the meeting when things got contentious and things got heated. And let me give you an example. The players want to get rid of the franchise tag. So my understanding is one of the agents who was at this meeting said, all right, you want to get rid of the franchise tag, play 18 games. And the players lost their minds. It's like, well, but that's the kind of concession you have to make in collective bargaining to get management to give up something big. They're not
Starting point is 00:50:31 giving up the franchise tag without something big in return. And that may not even be big enough. 18 games may not be big enough because the franchise tag allows them to keep guys off the market and hold the overall price for every position down because the best players never get to go set the bar as high as they can. And so I just think there's a lot of hostility that's been pent up and they need to work it out and need to get on the same page or the owners are going to win again. Owners are going to win regardless. I mean, Jeff Saturday had to go in there and negotiate that goddamn thing and it was obvious
Starting point is 00:51:01 what by the end of it. I think it's interesting though that the business relationship between the nflpa and the owners is a real one i mean you have to be their business partners right can't have one without the other but it's never been treated that way the nflpa is always ready to go to war with the nfl and i assume the nfl is always ready to go to war with the nflpa and it got to the point where now granted i probably should have joined the nflpa committee whatever and had my voice be heard instead i just skipped the meetings and didn't sign up for it because i was sick of their bullshit but it's it's i was
Starting point is 00:51:34 literally one of the only players that didn't sign up for the fucking union my last couple years because i was just sick of the bullshit but i think in a negotiation you have to give up something to get something in return. And it seems like on both sides, both the NFL and the NFLPA, there's no real business conversations. Like, I think a 17-game schedule is better, but you add a bye week. So now you've got 18 weeks of football. Add another bye week. Now we're both winning on the back end.
Starting point is 00:52:01 Get rid of a preseason game. Only have three preseason games. Only two of them matter the third one is the fourth add one more game add a bye week now we're all getting into the into the pot together shaking hands but that type of thing never happens because they're like well if we do that then the nfl is going to want to cut our paychecks by an 18 it's like how do you know that how do you even know that if that's ever been addressed i feel like there's no real negotiation between the nflpa and the nfl i don't know if that's ever been addressed? I feel like there's no real negotiation between the NFLPA and the NFL.
Starting point is 00:52:25 I don't know if that's accurate. I feel like you know more than I do. Well, here's the thing, Pat. I think that negotiation that happens within the confines of formal bargaining, the foundation for that is laid by conversations that are had off the grid, right? Back-channel discussions. And I think when Gene Upshaw was running the NFLPA and Paul Tagliabue was the commissioner of the NFL, they had those back channel discussions
Starting point is 00:52:52 to kind of engineer things toward where they needed to be. You don't have that now. There's not a relationship of trust and mutual respect between Roger Goodell and Demora Smith, which makes it hard to have everything kind of arranged ahead of time. Not that the deal gets done ahead of time, but you've got an understanding of what the issues are going to be. You have an understanding of how you're going to work through the issues. There isn't enough of that. I don't think there's any of that. And that's one thing that I think the union needs to realize. They can use the agents as a way to be kind of like the emissary to talk to certain
Starting point is 00:53:26 people from management because the agents, good agents know everybody. They know owners. They know people in the league office. They know GMs. They know executives. They know people who are in the room with the management council negotiating these deals. And if you get the right agents involved, they can be the ones who create the back channel. If DeMora Smith can't create the back channel, trust some agents who you believe can do it, and that's how you figure out ahead of time what it's going to take. Instead of everybody getting in the room with what they want and the wheels spinning and nothing getting done.
Starting point is 00:53:57 And the reason, Pat, and you tell me if I'm wrong. Anytime there's a labor contract and a union involvement and the contract expires, the owners can either lock out the players or the employees in any setting. The owners can lock out the employees until the employees accept the terms of the new contract, or the employees can go on strike. Either way, you have to have both sides willing to take a work stoppage in order to have the best possible deal to avoid a work stoppage. The problem here is the owners will take a work stoppage and the players won't. And until the players will, it's going to be impossible to get the best possible deal.
Starting point is 00:54:36 But the players won't take a work stoppage. At this point, the only way the owners are going to believe it is if they do it, and they do it for at least half of a season, if not a full season. But how do you tell a kid who's 23, who's got no money saved, he just got drafted, that he's not going to make any money at all this year? Or what about the guy who signed the big contract the year before the work stoppage, and now he can't make his mortgage payments, and now he can't pay this and pay that, his money's going to be gone for a year so it's it's very difficult to do and that's where the imbalance is and that's why you know there are some people who don't like the deal that the union did
Starting point is 00:55:14 well if you're not willing to take a work stoppage you're not going to get the best possible deal see i might be wrong here but the last time this was going to happen in 2010, I was 23 years old, by the way, and they had told us literally since as soon as I got into the NFL, prepare for a work stoppage. You need to be saving money for a work stoppage that's going to come in 2010. It's going to happen. We all know it's going to happen. We just don't know how long for. was prepared and ready to go i had spent all my money for my first year traveling but that second year i collected i had a good time with it i love the work stoppage i think everybody if i i think if you were to pull every vet that has ever played in the nfl during that work stoppage they're like yeah fuck every year we wish that would happen where we don't have to come back to a training camp have all otas off and everything like that it's a lot more difficult though for the rookies who are just getting drafted that can't go to work. They're not even allowed to talk. They have no money. They just kind of have to sit around. I think a lot more guys are prepared for work stoppage than you would think, but there's obviously going to be some
Starting point is 00:56:15 outliers who are ready to go broke at any given moment if they don't get a paycheck. I'll be excited to see how it is. This is just the NFL, by the way. Once again, dominating the news cycle here, two years away from a potential work stoppage. Now a conversation is becoming around it. The NFL has a beautiful way of doing that. What is some of the big news stories right now in the NFL that we should be looking forward to to break? I mean, we had the first round of free agents go through. Everybody knows AB and the Steelers drama's done. Everybody knows Lev Bell is going to go to the Jets. I think we found that out as soon as Ballard basically said we're
Starting point is 00:56:45 out. Everybody knew he was going to the Jets. The Browns now are the AFC North favorites. What is something else that's going to come from the NFL, you think, in the next couple days to try to steal some shine from March Madness? Well, two things to keep an eye on. First, it just popped today that the Bengals have released linebacker Vontaze Burfecht
Starting point is 00:57:02 and a year ago there was a thought that maybe the Raiders would try to trade for him because Paul Gunther, who was the Bengals' defensive coordinator, is now the defensive coordinator to John Gruden. But let me tell you, it would be awkward but also fascinating to have Vontaze Perfect and Antonio Brown on the same team after all the stuff that went down between the two of them. They both hate Juju.
Starting point is 00:57:22 What's that? They both hate Juju. Well, you know what? Maybe they they can find that's a good point that you know the enemy my enemy is my friend maybe it maybe that's where they should go vontaze perfect to the raiders he and antonio brown get together and have their we hate juju meeting and uh and that may be the way to go i could see the browns doing it because vontaze perfect's relationship with the steelers, but that one's going to be interesting to see where he lands. Also, I don't know if you saw this, Pat. It happened on Friday afternoon, reporting the Kansas City star that Tyreek Hill, one of the most dangerous players in the entire NFL, under investigation for
Starting point is 00:57:57 possible child abuse. He's got that ugly history, the incident where he pleaded guilty to assaulting his then-pregnant girlfriend. He didn't get suspended by the league because it happened before he got drafted. But under the personal conduct policy, if you get in trouble when you're in the league, things you did before you got to the league can cause the NFL to bump up the punishment. And also, if the victim of any type of domestic violence is a child, the NFL can bump up the punishment. And if it turns out that he did what he's being investigated in, it's if right now.
Starting point is 00:58:28 If there's no proof that anything happened that we know about, but we know based upon a Kansas City Star report that he is being investigated, if there's any proof, if it is determined that he did something like that, then I don't know what the NFL is going to do, but it's something to keep an eye on because, you know, with investigations like this, sometimes they can move quickly, and sometimes we may know sooner rather than later whether or not he's going to do, but it's something to keep an eye on because with investigations like this, sometimes they can move quickly, and sometimes we may know sooner rather than later whether or not he's going to be in any kind of trouble. He hasn't been arrested or charged yet, but that's something that I've been keeping an eye on around the clock for the last three days. Would you call the police
Starting point is 00:58:56 station and ask for information? No, because they're not going to give me any. There's going to be reports that are out there, and the public information that's available is very sketchy. I think at this point you just wait for the powers that be to decide whether or not they're going to charge him. Now, the big J's in Kansas City may be snooping around and talking to people from the police department, and they've got the relationships already. I wouldn't even know who to call there to try to get background information or anything like that. And I'm always nervous about something like that. You know, one thing that I learned practicing law before I got into this business,
Starting point is 00:59:30 there are certain hot spots where if you make one wrong move, you can get sued. This is the kind of thing where if you start reporting things that aren't accurate, that aren't true, that paint somebody in a negative light that they did something that violates the law, you're in a legal jackpot. And I'm content to wait for the folks in Kansas City to get to the bottom of it or for the authorities there to make an announcement. So we just sit back and we wait. And then once it comes out, then we react to it and try to break it down
Starting point is 00:59:55 and analyze it for everyone. We're talking about one of the most explosive players to ever come into the NFL, ever. Not just current, not just any. One of the most explosive players to ever come into the NFL. Seemed like he had righted his wrong from college. He made a young, dumb mistake whenever he was in college. I assume that is the way they're painting it. He's becoming a reborn man in the NFL.
Starting point is 01:00:18 Kansas City's falling in love with him, and then this happens. It's like, God damn, man, just keep your nose clean. You're about to make hundreds of millions of dollars probably with how good you are. Let's pivot. Kareem Hunt, eight-game suspension. Did the NFL get it right? Well, here's what I think the NFL has figured out. Instead of suspending a guy for 12 games and forcing him to file an appeal, and then during that appeal process, all the evidence comes out about what a bad investigation it was and what an unfair thought and decision-making process the NFL used, like we saw with Ezekiel Elliott. What the NFL has started doing, and they did it with Jameis Winston, and I believe they
Starting point is 01:00:54 did it again with Kareem Hunt. Anytime a guy gets suspended under the personal conduct policy and the announcement is that he's not appealing, that to me is an indication that they got with him, got with his agent, and worked out a deal. So the NFL doesn't have to risk embarrassment if there's an attack in the confines of no appeal. Because every time one of these decisions get made and it's time to start looking into the nooks and crannies of how the NFL investigated it and how they went about reaching the decision,
Starting point is 01:01:23 we find something that makes the whole process look horrible. So I think they went to Kareem Hunt and said, look, we can suspend you 12 games if we want to. We can suspend you the whole season if we want to. We're offering you eight. Will you take eight? He takes eight. And I don't know, did they get it right?
Starting point is 01:01:38 Did they not get it right? I've seen the video. The video wasn't Ray Rice level. I mean, it was still evidence of something he shouldn't have done and he should have been punished. But, you know, eight games is a stiff punishment. The video wasn't Ray Rice level. I mean, it was still evidence of something he shouldn't have done, and he should have been punished. But, you know, eight games is a stiff punishment. It's the baseline of six plus two on top of it.
Starting point is 01:01:55 There was another incident where he allegedly hit somebody in June somewhere in Ohio of last year. That's part of this, too. But that's a stiff, stiff punishment. And the video, you know, you take away the video, he probably doesn't get punished at all. But when there's video, as we've seen time and again, that's the thing that gets a guy in serious trouble with the NFL.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Same with the cops, too, by the way. Video has really changed the life of law enforcement officers. There was a rumor, I think, I might have read it on yours, the Patriots made a better offer to the Steelers for Antonio Brown, but the Steelers refused to give it up?
Starting point is 01:02:26 I don't think that's accurate. I saw that somewhere, and I don't know if someone was misrepresented or mischaracterized. My understanding was the Steelers wanted nothing to do with Antonio Brown, or the Patriots rather wanted nothing to do with Antonio Brown. The Steelers wanted nothing to do with him either. But I think that the Patriots recognize that you bring a guy like Antonio Brown into your shop, it's probably not going to work. You know, he's either got to conform to the Patriots recognize that you bring a guy like Antonio Brown into your shop,
Starting point is 01:02:45 it's probably not going to work. You know, he's either got to conform to the Patriot way quickly or he's not going to make it. And I think of Chad Johnson when he got traded to the Patriots after the lockout ended in 2011. He had his wings clipped. They stripped away his individuality. He was no longer himself. And at one point I tweeted that sentiment and he he retweeted it or liked it or something, which made me think he must agree with me on this, that they made him different than who he is.
Starting point is 01:03:11 And I think with Antonio Brown, if you try to make him different from who he is, he's not going to be who he is. And I just don't think the Patriots want that. They've got one set of rules. They're not going to make any excuses. If a guy shows up late or a guy wants to not do what everyone else on his team is doing. That's not going to fly. And I'm convinced. And I've been told that the Patriots had no interest in him whatsoever at no time and wouldn't have wanted him.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Now, Odell Beckham, different story. But Antonio Brown, not somebody that they would have wanted. Hey, Randy Moss was able to be Randy Moss up there. I think, I don't know. Well, for a little while. It worked for a little while. It worked for 2007, 2008, 2009. Then into 2010, he started grousing about his contract's going to be up,
Starting point is 01:03:50 and he started to make some noise. And what they do, they immediately traded him to the Vikings. For a fourth rounder. I remember that. Third rounder, and the Vikings cut him three weeks later. I remember that because I put a tweet out. I put a tweet out that I got crushed for. I was like, Randy Moss is worth a third rounder now or something like that.
Starting point is 01:04:07 Everybody was like, you think you're smarter than Bill Belichick? Everybody started coming after me, and then they cut him a couple weeks later. I was like, I guess. Yeah, they cut him because they had catering in the locker room. It was a Friday before a game, and he yelled out, I wouldn't feed this shit to my dog, and he got cut. That's before he got money. Randy!
Starting point is 01:04:31 Belichick showed up to his Hall of Fame thing in sandals, though. So let's remember Belichick. Is Belichick an entirely new person, by the way? They won a Super Bowl. I thought him changing was going to hurt the Patriots. They end up winning a Super Bowl and it turns out being even better. I mean, Tom Brady is openly showing videos of him fucking up on a ski slope. Belichick is shirtless at the beach with his lady.
Starting point is 01:04:52 It seems like the Patriot way might be a little bit of a happier one. Is this trouble for the rest of the NFL, you think, Florio? Yeah, I think they've changed the saying to no shirt, no shoes, no days off. I mean, because the thing is, he still busts his ass, right? He still is who he is and does what he does. And, you know, we get caught up in the Chiefs and how great Patrick Mahomes is, and he is great. And when you look at how concentrated the young star talent is in the AFC right now,
Starting point is 01:05:21 when you have Odell Beckham coming to the AFC, you've got Baker Mayfield, you've got Josh Allen, who I think is going to be great. You've got Sam Darnold and Le'Veon Bell on the same team. Hey, Josh Allen's agent sucks. I just had to get that in because we were talking about agents. You don't like Josh Allen? I like Josh Allen. His agent's a piece of shit, but I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:05:38 Oh, okay. Who's his agent, Ryan Grigson? Hey, we're past that. Mike, we're past that. Mike, we're past that. We're past that. But yeah, the AFC is loaded. But when you look at all, even with all that, Pat, even with all that, the Patriots are still the Patriots, right?
Starting point is 01:05:53 And they're still going to be there when the dust settles. The question is, can they punch through the last two spots, AFC Championship and Super Bowl? Because we know they're going to be in the AFC Championship because they've been in it every year since 2011. At a certain point, you just have to assume they're going to be back there until someone proves otherwise. And as long as Bill Pelichick and Tom Brady keep coming back,
Starting point is 01:06:12 I'm going to say this team is going to be in the Final Four. The question is, will they be playing at home or on the road? And if they're on the road, can they find a way to win like they did in Kansas City? I'm a big fan of the way they run their shit up there. Also, big fan of the way you operate, Mr. Florio. I appreciate you so much for stopping by, dropping all the news. Who do you got winning the college basketball? West Virginia.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Let's go! Not even in the tournament! Hey, I think Huggins invited me to his fantasy camp thing. You should go. That would be great. That would be excellent. Are you going to stop by if I go? Possibly. I'm not invited, though.
Starting point is 01:06:50 I've never met Huggins. I think Huggins is great. And I think what they did, hell, they got it. I don't know what went wrong this year. I don't pay much attention to it. But hell, they won a couple of games in the Big 12 tournament. I actually tuned in and watched the game Friday night. Of course, that was the time for them to lose. But, you know, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:07:06 They've been so good under Huggins. It was really disappointing this year. But, again, when they're good, I jump on the bandwagon. When they're not, it's like, I don't pay any attention to that crap. Well, you've got a lot of stuff going on. It's hard to cheer for losers. I think Huggins will turn them around. They've got this white chocolate kid named McCabe.
Starting point is 01:07:20 I guess he's from Kansas or something. He's going to be the point guard. He was, I guess the announcers were saying that Huggins told him, no matter if you're 2 for 18 or 18 for 18, you're our guy. So he just started throwing up shit. I think he's going to have a lot of confidence going into next year. Could be a fun guy to watch. Something to think about.
Starting point is 01:07:38 Well, and you know, the other thing that gets me through the slow times, if they ever come, the Penguins. Are the Penguins good this year? I hope they make it to the playoffs. Hey, Mike. Are they any good? I don't want to fucking talk about it. So I've only watched two games this year of the Penguins. It was a stadium series against the Flyers a couple weeks ago.
Starting point is 01:07:55 We were dominant until like the last minute and 20 seconds, and then Matt Murray became a fucking Swiss cheese, goal, goal, goal, goal. Over time, we lose. Then just again on Sunday, last night, Penns Flyers in Pittsburgh, 1-0 game with fucking 19 seconds left, I believe. They pulled their goalie. Matt Murray was just standing on his head.
Starting point is 01:08:18 Sidney Crosby gives away the puck in the center ice. They get down, tie it up, and then literally 3.4 seconds left in overtime, they hit a fucking finisher to just bury us. And it was just, those are the only two games I've seen, and that's hockey talk. See, I'm glad I'm not paying attention. If they make it to the playoffs, I'll pay attention. Even if they, I love NHL playoffs,
Starting point is 01:08:37 so they're better when the Penguins are in it. But, you know, that's kind of perfect because right after the draft, it really starts to get rolling, and, you know, you can enjoy that right into June. But, man, those guys are tough, and the stuff they deal with, with the blades on their feet and the sticks and that puck whizzing around and the hard boards, it's just amazing to me how many games they play every year
Starting point is 01:08:54 and survive. I am so impressed by hockey. It's my favorite sport to watch. Penguins are going to make the playoffs. I think we're going to go on a run, too. Sid had a terrible game on Sunday, so I assume he's going to get back hot. Here's a question that I asked while watching the game last night, Mike. Do you think that
Starting point is 01:09:09 any NHL, oh, let's go top NHL skaters, any one of them could become Olympians if they wanted to? If there was nobody else on the ice, do you think Sidney Crosby could jump up and spin in a circle and land perfectly? I think he could. Oh, you're talking about figure skaters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, boy, I had never really thought about that.
Starting point is 01:09:26 I thought you were going to say, like, could any NHL players make it in the NFL or something like that? I mean, the thing is, they're all like 5'5 and 120 pounds. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about the whole figure skating thing, but when you look at the stuff they do with their bodies, when they have guys dragging them down and hitting them with clubs, and
Starting point is 01:09:41 you know, if you were just out there by yourself and you didn't have to contend with anybody else, you could probably do anything. I think Sidney Crosby could be an Olympian figure skater if he wanted to. Just what is he going to do? I'm picturing him in sequence. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:52 Oh, yeah. Very much. I'm thinking him in the Will Ferrell, the Blades of Glory blue suit. I think him and Evgeny Malkin could do the watermelon, what's it called? Flying Lotus. Flying Lotus.
Starting point is 01:10:08 Yeah, the Dutchman. Let me tell you something. I don't know how you feel about Blades of Glory. I have walked out of one movie in my life and it was Blades of Glory. I did that for
Starting point is 01:10:19 The only time I ever did it. I did that for the movie Popstar. Here's a little inside scoop by the way. I got a little inside scoop for you. Go ahead. ESPN's pursuing Peyton Manning
Starting point is 01:10:29 for Monday Night Football. But I've been told my name is still a talking piece, Mr. Florio. Our intel says my name is still a talking piece. We trended for 10 hours, Florio. McAfee for MNF.ing. You did an
Starting point is 01:10:45 excellent job of injecting your name into that conversation. You're marketing savvy. But do you think with that army of an analyst that they have there, an army, it's a full army with lieutenants and generals and sergeants. I mean, they're everywhere.
Starting point is 01:11:02 You think they're going to roll it? I mean, it would be great if they did. And maybe you know something I don't. Hey, there's something that no Army can handle, and that's special forces. You put a microphone in my fucking hand, I'm a Navy SEAL. Everybody knows that.
Starting point is 01:11:15 SEAL team boomstick. All right, Florio, I know you're probably busy. Just a little intel, by the way. A little inside scoop right there for you. I'll keep my eyes open. Hey, feel free to text me if you hear anything good about it, and I can break some news, baby. We've got to stick together.
Starting point is 01:11:29 All right, I'll send it right to you. I appreciate you. Tell Richard Sherman to go to hell with your big brain. Ladies and gentlemen, Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio. Thank you, Mike. See you, guys. It is time. The first weekend of the NCAA tournament is about to begin.
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Starting point is 01:14:02 weekend is about to be talked about. Do not judge us. Just enjoy it. Cheers. A little wedding update. Hey, now. I think we found the person that's going to officiate the wedding. Let's go. That's half the battle.
Starting point is 01:14:15 Hey, we got our guy. Where'd you go? Who is it? After a priest combine. Sturdy one. Had a preacher combine. A lot of people were sending me messages, you know? They were like, we're cool preachers.
Starting point is 01:14:30 We'd like to do your thing. Then I'd surf through their profiles both on Twitter and Instagram. Without them knowing I'm doing research. And I got to the point with just about all of them where I was like, nope, don't want this person at my wedding. Don't look funny at all. That's why when you're looking for a job, you go private on both of those things.
Starting point is 01:14:48 Yep. Something to think about. Don't let old cuzzy dig into your past. It's going to tell me a lot about my future and whether or not I want you a part of it. Correct. Yeah. Now, granted, they're all really good people. Sure.
Starting point is 01:14:59 Oh, yeah. Sure. They're preachers. Maybe. But they would have made us all feel very terrible about ourselves. Yeah. Which we don't need that day. I don't need that on that day. I'm doing it for myself. They're preachers. Maybe. But they would have made us all feel very terrible about ourselves. Yeah, which we don't need that day. I don't need that on that day.
Starting point is 01:15:06 I'm doing enough by myself. It's your day. My day. It's your day. Well, let's be clear. This is Sam's day. Correct. Cookie table, though.
Starting point is 01:15:13 That I am casted as the other half. Correct. Hey, her day. It's your Saturday, too. It is my Saturday. It's a good one, too, actually. It's a great Saturday. We'll be announcing that at some point.
Starting point is 01:15:24 But the people that are going to be there, I mean, I want to be able to relax and have a good one too, actually. It's a great Saturday. We'll be announcing that at some point. But the people that are going to be there, I mean, I want to be able to relax and have a good time. Correct. Sure. I also don't want to have to work the entire time, you know, shaking hands. No, no, no. So it's people that I've seen relatively recent
Starting point is 01:15:37 so that I don't have to do the full, hey, oh yeah, WWE, this, Monday Night night football should we get you a stunt double no not yet hey now when i get that money and i'm on that island though oh yeah maybe we do appearances just photos only oh i like that let's find that guy whenever we get to that point we'll all get one let's all strive all right okay to be wealthy enough that we can all move very far away and still make sustainable income off of our lookalikes taking photos.
Starting point is 01:16:11 Double gangers. Goals. Mine's pretty easy. I literally get tagged like 12 times a day. Anybody with a fucking beard. Great comedy coach, I heard. We miss Bowers. Bowers did look exactly like Diggs, though. He told us.
Starting point is 01:16:29 That's just not true. He told us. Dude, he got mistaken for you all the time. A lot of people say a lot of things that aren't true. Mainly you. I'm saying something that's true. We got our guy, our preacher guy. He's the FCA guy for the Colts.
Starting point is 01:16:43 Whoa. Yeah, we've talked about this before this is a preacher man that i have sat down crowds have drawn around and i have asked a lot of questions about the lord too and i know this guy could handle a good time even though he himself is one of the most straight arrow upstanding humans i've ever encountered in my entire life that's good you don't find that a lot of fun you don't usually you get lot. No, it's a very rare find. You don't? Usually you get a little judgy-wudgy on the people up there.
Starting point is 01:17:08 You know what I mean? This guy knows. I've had preachers threaten to cancel the wedding the next day if certain people were acting the way they were the night before during the rehearsal. I've had priests attempt to kick me out of weddings. What? Yeah. I walk into a rehearsal.
Starting point is 01:17:25 I'm not in the party, but I'm in another town where somebody I'm with is in the party. So there's literally nowhere else for me to go. So I go in there and I maybe laugh at something in the back. Maybe. All of a sudden this priest thinks it's his day. It's his show. No, I fucking flew in here, cuz. Okay, I'm here to watch them get married.
Starting point is 01:17:41 Not listen to your bullshit. That happens a lot. It does. This guy won't do that. Good. Maybe he'll try. I hope he does. He's a good guy, though.
Starting point is 01:17:51 He'll have a good time with us. I think he'll even work in some stuff, too. Really? Is that material personal? I think he realizes. He realizes what's happening. He knows who he's talking to. He knows more about the way I feel about religion probably than anybody on earth.
Starting point is 01:18:06 Which I just have a lot of questions. I don't think when you die, nothing happens. I'm just not sure which answer is the right one. I agree. Exactly. How can you be? I've been bouncing through a couple. I've bounced back and forth depending on the year. But I'm still, maybe Jesus is a guy.
Starting point is 01:18:22 I don't know. But I'd like to keep a relationship with the other. Christ. Just in case Jesus is the guy. I don't know. But I'd like to keep a relationship with the other. Christ. Just in case. Loves you. I would like to keep a good relationship, though, with the others, just in case. Just in case. Let's not put all of our eggs in one basket. Hey, I'm not a fence rider, normally.
Starting point is 01:18:35 Happy Easter. Normally, I go all in. Happy Easter. Reese's eggs are back, too. We could put all of our Reese's eggs in one basket and send them right to this fucking office. We can put all of our Reese eggs in one basket and send them right to this fucking office. But normally I'm an all-in or all-out guy. With the religion thing, I think there's too much on the line.
Starting point is 01:18:51 I'm just not sure. Hey, keep your eyes open. I am. I am. I got things everywhere. Just smart. Just smart. I'm reading about all of them, and then inside my head I'm having,
Starting point is 01:19:00 which I think people call prayers. I'm having those with a lot of different people. Every time I'll pray to like my grandma, right? I prayed to my grandma. And then I tell my grandma to relay the message to whoever is in charge. Cause I know my grandma's in wherever I want to go. Wow.
Starting point is 01:19:13 That's smart. Thank you. I'm like, Betty, listen, I got, that's what I do it. She told me to my face when I was a child that she thinks that I would be good at anything
Starting point is 01:19:25 that I want to be good at. Nice. Only lady that ever told me that. Smart lady. Well, other than my parents, obviously, but they have to. But she said it with a straight face, and I was like, okay, you're fucking right too, by the way.
Starting point is 01:19:36 Tennis, not great. Not great at tennis. Not a lot of effort being put into tennis. I heard it's a great sport, though. She taught me how to play cards, though. She would hustle my ass whenever I was a kid playing cards. I don't think every grandma... By the way, I don't think all
Starting point is 01:19:52 kids play poker with their grandmas. Not poker, for sure. I didn't know that. Because I've literally been playing poker since I was... She was taking shit from me. But when the World Series of Poker got hot and everybody wanted to play, I'm fucking six, seven years into this game.
Starting point is 01:20:08 Hey, I'm already playing. Betty, old me and Betty used to go cook some shit with the ladies at the little old ladies club. She basically got you in the NFL by winning that poker game. She got me into West Virginia. Correct. Shout out, Betty. Yeah, so every time I pray, I talk to her,
Starting point is 01:20:21 and then I tell her to relay the message. That's just smart. That's good. But she was a big-time Jesus lady, though. So now I'm wondering if it isn't the Jesus. Oh, is she? You know, what happened? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:32 Because she was a saint, so I don't know. But I tell her to relay the message. I think that's the smartest thing. Yeah. Then you know the boss is getting the message, at least. Yeah, especially from Betty. Betty's going to relay the message. Will your ceremony have a religious feel to it?
Starting point is 01:20:43 No, I don't think so. I mean, he is a... Is he the guy who I think is the guy? Yeah, yeah. Bald? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we put a referee costume on him? Why?
Starting point is 01:20:53 He's officiating the wedding. An officiant. I can't with you. It would be funny. On their fucking footlock. Just blows the whistle on you. Sam would slap the Jesus out of him. Do you know how quickly?
Starting point is 01:21:09 He's already got the one white stripe, just a few more. I don't think he'll wear the priest gimmick either. Oh, no? Really? He's a preacher. He's not a priest, right? No, he won't wear that. He doesn't wear a collar.
Starting point is 01:21:20 He doesn't wear the priest gimmick. He wears like, I think, like... What do preachers wear? I think he wears like a button-down in jeans. He'll wear a suit. Oh, cool. Athletic gear. He might wear a suit to yourick. He wears like, I think, like... What do preachers wear? I think he wears like a button-down in jeans. He wears a suit. Oh, cool. Athletic gear. He might wear a suit to your thing.
Starting point is 01:21:28 I don't know. I guess it depends on what Sam wants him to wear. We should figure out what he's wearing. What do you mean? He's very thin. We're talking thinner than Foxy. He really... He looks like Adam Silver, commissioner of the NBA.
Starting point is 01:21:38 He does. He does. Thinner, probably. That's tough to do. He eats and eats and eats, and he just can't do anything. Yeah, even that happens. It's the worst. There's a lot of people like that, by the way.
Starting point is 01:21:49 Joe Thomas is another guy. That's absurd. Hey, he looks very good. Very good. Very good. Marathon sprinter good. He and I have had conversations about the keto diet. Him and Tim Tebow, I think, are on a different diet.
Starting point is 01:22:03 Theirs are working better. Aren't we all on the keto? Me, Tim Tebow, and think, are on a different diet. Theirs are working better. Aren't we all on the keto? Me, Tim Tebow, and Joe Thomas are all on keto. What the fuck is going on? Maybe that's what you're supposed to look like, and they're just not taking the proper vitamins, and then the keto is messing it up. But you are doing it correctly.
Starting point is 01:22:20 Now we're blaming an herbal remedy. Oh, no, I'm blaming Joe Thomas and Tim Tebow for not doing it correctly. You know what? They don't own small businesses. They don't have those stressors in their life. They don't know what that is like. They have no stress in their life. They are both very wealthy.
Starting point is 01:22:35 Yes. That too. Very, very wealthy. I am rich, but not wealthy. We here are all trying to get to the wealthy so we can do the thing we talk about. Correct. Exactly. But he would always come in with new costumes
Starting point is 01:22:46 that are on the mannequins at stores because he's literally built like a mannequin so he would come in with these frets and I'd be like man I didn't even know humans could wear that because he's the built he's like a vest on top of a
Starting point is 01:23:02 shirt that you would think would look but yeah he looks incredible. He'll dress very well. And he'll do a good ceremony. I don't think it'll be long, though. No, it shouldn't be. Yeah, keep it short. Yeah, if there's no mass.
Starting point is 01:23:13 15, 20 runs. Keep it short. Sam has said on numerous occasions to everybody in here, both to me personally and to everybody kind of at the St. Patrick's Day thing on Saturday, which we'll get to. Great holiday. Appreciate everybody that tweeted us their pictures.
Starting point is 01:23:29 We had a great time. I got a chance to drink with the boys. Haven't done that in a long time. Had a headache for fucking 12 hours. I am the worst. You're done. I'm done, man. What happened to me, dude?
Starting point is 01:23:43 What happened to me? You've never casually drank before in my entire life so you tried it and that's what you just got left with a headache had a headache for 12 hours sam and i are like laying in bed like fucking taking an advil and tylenol like man we cannot do this anymore you were drinking that green beer too weren't you i don't know did you get any of that i thought i saw you with it maybe that stuff was tough yeah well i don't know. Did you get any of that? I thought I saw you with him. That stuff was tough. Yeah. I don't know what they chose.
Starting point is 01:24:07 Oh, Ty, is that right? Ty, were you there? Yeah, I had to head out a little bit early. Well, I was talking to Nick on, I think, Sunday night, and I was like, yeah, it's weird. I don't even think I drank that much. but at the pub I was hammering whiskey straight. Forgot about that. And I blacked out like maybe an hour into getting the
Starting point is 01:24:29 pavilion. I was like, you don't think you drank? You're drinking full glasses of whiskey. It was awesome. First of all, I walk in. I walk into the pub. All right, here we go. Everybody's already there. I tell Sam, we got to stop by the pub for sure. I mean, everybody's going to be there. She's like, okay. So we get ready. We go down and walk in. The whole place is already cooking. I tell Sam, we've got to stop by the pub for sure. Everybody's going to be there. She's like, okay.
Starting point is 01:24:45 So we get ready. We go down there and walk in. The whole place is already cooking. Ty Schmidt walks over to me, straight face. He says, listen, I haven't been doing what I'm doing today since last St. Patrick's Day. In his exact quote, I'm excited to see how it turns out. This is within a minute and a half of me walking in.
Starting point is 01:25:04 I think I shake Foxy's hand. I say hello to everybody. I point out that there's a guy wearing a yellow suit. All right, don't know him. Welcome to the pub. Happy to be here. And then Ty comes walking over and goes, hey, how's it going, pal? And then he tells me that.
Starting point is 01:25:15 And I'm like, all right, this is going to be a fucking day. And then everybody in the pub was making shots. By the way, your new bar looks good. Thank you for it, by the way. Thank you. Took us a while to build. Your new bar looks good. I had a it, by the way. Your new bar looks good. I had a beer there. We might have grabbed
Starting point is 01:25:27 some vitamins. Then we go down to the plaza, Pan Am Plaza. Shamrocks and shenanigans. Nick and Todd put on a show for all the people to watch. In the middle of the fucking war. Hey, they did American Gladiator. They had slides there.
Starting point is 01:25:43 They had American Gladiator thing there. It was shenanigans. Adult Bounty House. It was. It was adult shenanigans. And as soon as we walked into the place, Nick looks at that fucking American Gladiator thing and goes, I'm taking somebody in there with me
Starting point is 01:26:01 or something like that. You wanted Foxy. I did. Yeah, you did want me at first. And he was going to go, to his credit. He was ready to go, but we waited a little too long. His feet got cold. Well, there was a line.
Starting point is 01:26:09 I was like, I'm not here to go to the fucking bounce house. I'm here to drink. There was a line of one person. That boy Foxy. Hey, Foxy plays no games. No games. Say, Patrick, say I'm out here for your little bounce house. And I'm, hey, I will say, after watching what happened, I'm glad I didn't get in there.
Starting point is 01:26:23 Yeah, I'd be glad you didn't. No, but I'll say, Todd signed up as soon as every Foxy backed out. Couldn't have signed up sooner, by the way. I looked around. Gorms wasn't there yet. I said, Todd, you want to go in there? Fight? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:35 But you two had very different styles of said fight. Oh, yeah. I was just going to pugil stick. Like, I thought, oh, we're just going to try to hit each other with a pugil stick. So the way this looks, there's a bounce house and then there's an elevated area that kind of topples like a,
Starting point is 01:26:48 almost, it's like a bull, but a pad that people can stand on. Like the most impossible thing to stand on. Very hard to stand on. Impossible to stand on.
Starting point is 01:26:55 It looked very difficult. But then they have the American Gladiator jousting sticks post with two pads on either side. You're supposed to stand, it's very simple. It is a very simple game. You're supposed to stand. It's very simple. It is a very simple game.
Starting point is 01:27:05 You're supposed to stand on the thing that moves and then you're trying to knock the other person off the thing. So you guys get in there with two very different mindsets. Oh, yeah. I just look up and I get fucking bull-rushed by Nick in a full spray. He just holds a stick out in front of him and just rams into me.
Starting point is 01:27:20 He cross-checks Todd's face. He literally cross-checks. I'm like, well, I'm going backward. So I was likecks Todd's face. He literally cross-checks. I'm going backward. It's okay. I'll brace myself. I'll bounce off the side net and I'll come back into it. When you hit that side net, it just keeps going and then separates from the rest
Starting point is 01:27:37 of the bottom and sucks you into a little pocket. Todd and Nick almost flipped over the American Gladiator bounce house in the middle of the thing, causing quite a scene because Todd was there to joust. Nick was there to spear. And it was a very interesting situation. They finish it all.
Starting point is 01:27:56 Nick gets out peacocking very hard because he almost kicked Todd out of a bounce house. Well, I woke up from what was going on there. I blacked out in there, let's be honest. You go into a cage, you're Todd McComas. I'm going to go full speed for as long as I can, which was about 30 seconds. A crowd gathered, by the way. I looked up,
Starting point is 01:28:13 and there was a crowd. I was like, oh, okay. I just need to claim that I won right now. Finally, I decided to throw down my stick. I'm like, I'm going to get something in. Lateral dropped you, rolled over, and I tried to grab my stick again. By then, I was like, I gotta get something in. So I just lateral dropped you, rolled over, and I tried to grab my stick again. By then, I was like, I'm about
Starting point is 01:28:27 to fucking throw up. We saw the moment where you two quit. We saw the moment where you two quit, and it was very it was an entertaining thing. Are you not entertained? Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It was like Gladiator in the middle of St. Patrick's Day. We had drinks. We got a chance to talk to some people there. Went upstairs. Interesting
Starting point is 01:28:43 setup. Interesting setup. A little bit. We decided to bounce out. I don't mind sitting down, you know? Yeah. Every now and then I like to sit down, take a load off. Maybe a cushion. It would be nice to just fought a man to the death.
Starting point is 01:28:56 My lungs were burning. Hey, can we let these gladiators take a breather? Can we get a couch maybe? Sit on? No. Anyways. So we leave. We go to another place and sam and i have two
Starting point is 01:29:06 drinks but at another place patron saint i i think foxy was near me and i brought up zito giving a speech at the wedding oh my god again i brought up zito giving a speech at a wedding i said uh good news zito said he's been practicing for that speech or whatever and sam goes with a straight face the reception is all Pat's. The ceremony is all mine. So I get to control what happens at the reception. 100%. So the after party is 100% being controlled by me.
Starting point is 01:29:35 She has the ceremony, all the important shit. I assume she'll pick the food and all the logistics. But how the reception goes is 100% on me. Nice. All right. Hey, we're going to get some Cirque du Soleil up here. Yeah!
Starting point is 01:29:49 Let's go! I might hire Ricochet. I might pay Ricochet. I might pay Ricochet, bring in a ring, and just have him do the incredible. Just pay him a massive amount. Magician in there, maybe? Magician's definitely coming. John Dornbos, probably. I don't know what our budget is.
Starting point is 01:30:05 Maybe a bouncy house with some sticks in it. I'm going to stay away from the gladiator bounce house, but definitely a slide. Yeah, a slide somewhere. Definitely be a slide. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:14 Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Dueling pianos for sure. Yes. Dueling pianos was my legit first idea. I was like,
Starting point is 01:30:22 I feel like anytime Dueling pianos is somewhere, everybody's having a good time. And it might be because the drinks at this place is normally cheaper than everywhere else. But also, I feel like it's a festive activity. Yeah, you get Bohemian Rhapsody going. Everybody gets wrapped up in it. There's going to be a serious battle going on on the floor there.
Starting point is 01:30:38 I see a little silhouette of a man. Ta-da-hoop, ta-da-hoop, ta-da-do-da-bam-bam-ba. And the woman might Salute, salute, salute to the man. And the woman like me, very, very like me. Raleigh, Raleigh, Raleigh, Raleigh, Raleigh. Raleigh, Raleigh, Raleigh, Raleigh. I am seeing a poor boy from a poor family. He's just a poor boy from a poor family. There in his life, therearing his life for this nice fantasy Yeah, that.
Starting point is 01:31:09 So we'll have that moment. That'll be good. That moment will happen. Yeah, it'll be fun. Everyone was just at the wedding. It was a good time. It was a good time. So that's going to happen.
Starting point is 01:31:19 We're going to have a blast. Should we see how much Red Panda costs? Yes. Red Panda is going to try to be... I'm going to try to book Red Panda. For Yes. Red Panda is going to try to be... I'm going to try to book Red Panda. For sure. Have to. Red Panda at a wedding?
Starting point is 01:31:28 I think you put glass on top of your pool and have her do it there. Oh. What'd you say, you? Put glass on top of your pool and have her do it there. At my house? Yeah. This isn't at my house. You're right.
Starting point is 01:31:37 Why did I... I mean, we could have Red Panda over. I think... I'm going to be honest. I knew it wasn't at your house, but the way you're talking about it, for some reason in my mind, I'm imagining the Billy Madison backyard scenario going on. I want to let you know that I did
Starting point is 01:31:50 pitch that very, very hard. I was like, why don't we just do it here? I was like, you find a house that has a better backdrop than that one right back there. And then we were sitting there like two days later in the creek that's right next to our house. Yeah yeah just overflew
Starting point is 01:32:06 the entire backyard yeah it became a pond and she was like uh like right on cue too as soon as we were looking i think there was like some deer running away or something she was like oh that would be great for a wedding to have back there and i was like you fucking it's just not reliable enough the backyard is not reliable enough. The backyard is not reliable. I mean, bricks fall off. We've all seen it. That back patio thing.
Starting point is 01:32:31 That's a deck. That thing's coming down any day. Any day that thing's coming. That is a liability. Your yard was leaking. Oh, just shooting water up in the guys. You're a natural guys. I had guys in my back.
Starting point is 01:32:42 I don't know what's back. It might be oil. This is a lot of activity. How about getting married to have a wrestling ring? a natural geyser. I had geysers in my back. I don't know what's back. It might be oil. It seems to be a lot of activity. How about getting married instead of a wrestling ring? No, no, no. Come on, T.
Starting point is 01:32:51 By the way, ceremony isn't mine. I forgot. Anything that happens during a ceremony other than me picking the guy, E, I don't think anything else
Starting point is 01:32:59 is mine in that ceremony. Yeah, I would say that's not cool. So, get ready for a snooze fest. I'm joking, Sam. I can't that's it. Yeah, I would say that's it. So, get ready for a snooze fest. I'm joking, Sam. I can't wait for it. It's going to be beautiful.
Starting point is 01:33:10 Hey, good for you for helping plan this thing. Yeah, hey, great job, Pat. Good for you. I didn't even think about me. Good for me, huh? Good for you. I'm doing that. You're doing it.
Starting point is 01:33:24 Me too. Half of the wedding. Wow. Good job. Hey, it? Good for you. I'm doing that. You're doing it. Me too. Half of the wedding. Wow. Good job. Hey, it's not just Saturday. It's my Saturday too. Yeah, yeah. Hey, look at you.
Starting point is 01:33:33 Look at me. Have we thought about that? I like that. I just thought about that. Look at me. Where's Amir? What else should we talk about? The NCAA bracket.
Starting point is 01:33:44 That conversation we had with Docich earlier. Great. Yeah. I feel like he really knows his shit. He does. Yeah, I hope he does. He does a lot of games. Yeah, I had Wofford in the finals.
Starting point is 01:33:52 So I'm not going to change my bracket now. He saved you so much. There was a lot of, there was a lot of, I saw a lot of like dumbfounded faces when he was saying things, looking around the room, mostly in Connor's direction.
Starting point is 01:34:03 Because everything I think Connor was making, like LSU, he's like, yeah, LSU, I love that. Doc is like, look for Yale. And Connor's like, fuck. Little Wofford, oh, fuck. It does feel like when you're talking to somebody that really
Starting point is 01:34:17 knows what you're talking about, though, if your idea syncs up with theirs, you feel real good. Oh, yeah. You're a genius. Yeah, and then Thursday comes around and every single fucking thing that he said goes wrong. Exactly. And that's why it's great. That's why it's madness. That's why it is magical. I'm very...
Starting point is 01:34:34 I am pretty anti the whole... They're making so much money off of people that are making nothing. Now granted, they're getting a lot of exposure, which, by the way, I will concede in my thought that NCAA players should be getting paid a lot more than to do because the ability to build your brand off the back of the school
Starting point is 01:34:53 is a huge deal. So that's a huge deal. Now that brands can be built and there is value on them, I think there should be a negotiation of some sort because that is a huge deal that not a lot of people are getting. Because they're playing for their team, they're making a lot of money for their school they're doing all these things they're making their school more popular so more students want to go there i mean sports do a lot for school for sure players aren't making any money
Starting point is 01:35:19 at the moment i think at some point there'll be a stipend that comes which will be good but the ability to build your own brand is huge. But I love March Madness. They're making so much money off these kids making nothing, but it is fucking electric. Last year, I loved it. It was probably your first year betting on it, too. It was awesome. I mean, it was quite a rollercoaster.
Starting point is 01:35:37 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You break even, and you're pretty happy at the end of the tournament. I think I've learned, though, that I've got to bet less money. I would agree with you. Yeah, it makes it tough when you have a bad week. Sound advice. I've got to bet less money. I think that's what I learned from last year.
Starting point is 01:35:52 The highs aren't as high, but the lows aren't as low. Yeah, it's true. And I think in a pros-cons situation, that low-low is not worth any amount of high that I could possibly get. But last year, March Madness, I won pretty hammer deep. You normally do in half, but even by three quarters, you're still going to care who wins. I agree.
Starting point is 01:36:14 Because it's not about the amount of money. It's just that I have money. And you're winning. You're in the positive. True. And I think we're going to make a lot of money. Bro Bro Bro Bets is hot, by the way. Oh, we are?
Starting point is 01:36:24 Getting there. Getting there. So Bro Bro Bro Bets is hot, by the way. Oh, we are? Getting there. Getting there. So Bro Bro Bro Bets is a new podcast that Degenerates of the Office started. It's Boston Conner screaming into a microphone there. You can also hear him do that there. By the way, not as bad as you. He's learning. Hey, hey, self-awareness.
Starting point is 01:36:38 We're working on it. Listening, we're working on it. So we're getting there. There it is. The big one. Tell the listeners, thank you for the feedback. Thank you for the feedback. I'm very sorry
Starting point is 01:36:46 for yelling in your ears. I have learned this new scenario where I move my head to the left a little. Do it, do it, do it. Hey! Great.
Starting point is 01:36:53 Hey. A little bit. Wow. I'm not screaming into the mic. Hey, what just happened there? It's funny how that works. We learned.
Starting point is 01:37:00 Still pretty loud. We learned. I feel like we were telling you that for months, but still loud. Yeah, but see, and that's why I'm working on my listening now. Still pretty low. We learned. I feel like we were telling you that for months, but still low. Yeah, but see, and that's why I'm working on my listening now.
Starting point is 01:37:05 There it is. You see, it's a combination of the two things. You got to put them, you know, you need two things to mesh together here. Absolutely. So it's the new founded listener. Gorms is in there. Bro, Bro, Bro was originally founded by Gorms when it came in Christmas season. Because he said it was gift-giving season.
Starting point is 01:37:25 Everybody's like, bro, bro, bro, can I get a bet? Can I get a bet? So now bro, bro, bro, bets is a real thing. It's what we do. It's got to feel good. Yeah, it's going to be one. I think Todd's right on it because I think we're so close to hitting the cup of coffee a day parlay, which is huge.
Starting point is 01:37:38 About 10 bets rolled up into one for $5, winning anywhere from $2,000 to $3,000. Let's go. It's going to be this week. I'm just telling you. I'm feeling it. If it's not last night or. Let's go. It's going to be this week. I'm just telling you. If it's not last night or it's not tonight, it's going to be this week. Okay, so you're saying Bro Bro Bro Bets is an everyday show, by the way. Yeah, every day at noon-ish.
Starting point is 01:37:55 Every day at noon-ish, depending on when you can edit and get it up. Every day you do a cup of coffee parlay. Which is we each put in picks picks and we use my bookie. The max bet that you can have in a parlay in my bookie is 10. And instead of buying an extra cup of coffee that day, you take those $5, you put it towards this parlay and it's normally around between
Starting point is 01:38:15 $2,500 and $3,500 if you hit. Scratch off, bro. Why not? All we got to do is hit once out of 365 days and we're in the green, baby. And you know where we like to live? In the green. In the green, baby. And that's what Betts is doing.
Starting point is 01:38:30 That's what I like. And what I like is I told everyone when we started this, if you guys feel confident about a bet that day, get your ass in here and get on the mic and give it. And find that fucking dog. This is an all-inclusive office betting show because we're all degenerates in this office. Let's be honest.
Starting point is 01:38:44 True. Yeah, and that's Bro Bro Bets. And look at it this way. It's $5 a day for this cup of coffee a day parlay. It's going to hit, and it's going to hit soon. If you don't win in a month, you're talking about $100 that you put into it, but the next month you're going to win, what, $150 you put into it? And then boom, you hit your parlay?
Starting point is 01:38:59 I like those odds. If we're playing stock market, I'm just saying. Bro Bro Bro Bets isn't really a podcast. It's a lottery that you're going to win. Have you ever heard of that? Nope. That's what we do. Just giving out money.
Starting point is 01:39:12 Giveaways. ATM. We should have called it the ATM. We can keep spitting out bills. By the way, we can still workshop the show. We can still word shop it. Ain't that right, Steve? Oh, yeah. You can word shop it.
Starting point is 01:39:24 Word shop the hell out of it. I think Bro Bro Bro Bets, the ATM podcast. It's not a bad little tagline there. Just spitting, bro. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. The ATM of a pod date, you get it. Speaking of ATMs.
Starting point is 01:39:39 Yeah, bud. The withdrawal fee is a real issue at some points. What are you talking about? So if you haven't seen, I have a new addition to my family. Oh, yeah. Congratulations, by the way. New puppy in the Diggs house. Got a new bulldog puppy.
Starting point is 01:39:53 So I went and got up there. The breeder didn't tell us that it was all cash. Hold on, hold on. You were drinking with Todd and his lady, with your lady, at a brunch the day after St. Patrick's Day, where I was Ric Flair face-planting into beds because I felt like shit. You guys were at a brunch. Todd had literally a pounder of beer, smiling, looking at it.
Starting point is 01:40:16 You had some champagne, I believe, or vodka something. And I was like, holy shit. And then all of a sudden, it's like following a hilarious situation. You guys are at brunch having a good time. Then somebody's driving while everybody else is filming, and a dog showed up. And it was like, holy shit, this is a Sunday. So I wanted to go to brunch because two drinks, obviously, is what makes me feel better in the morning. Oh, yeah, you have your hangover cure.
Starting point is 01:40:38 I literally told my girlfriend. I said, we could go to brunch, two drinks, and then we're coming home. She wanted a Sunday fun. I said, no, we're fucking coming home after. Well, I obviously got overruled by the group. I don't even know how it popped up. We've been talking about getting another dog for a long, long time. I don't know how it popped up, but we found one on the internet.
Starting point is 01:40:55 We called the guy. It's beautiful. Meet him today. We went up there. Apparently cash only. But if you go to an ATM, you can only take out a certain amount of cash at a time. My limit is so much. My limit is so much. Her limit is so much. So we had to have
Starting point is 01:41:08 Todd and Marty also take cash out of the ATM. Because you have that limit. We need to work on cash in the ATM features. We need our drugs now. It felt so like a drug deal. We're in a Walmart parking lot. Todd's been there, done that
Starting point is 01:41:24 before. But I was definitely sober, and I was definitely asked her a million times if she knew what was going on, what was happening, and she told me she did. I was not sober, so the whole time I'm like, yeah, you're getting a fucking dog.
Starting point is 01:41:37 Tom, were you driving or did you drive? No, I was driving. Okay, because I saw that IG story, and I was like, who the fuck is driving? No, I was the sober one. Yeah, he had only had like two drinks. That's his hangover cure.
Starting point is 01:41:47 Yeah, yeah. So, you know, he felt a little bit better and then went and got a fucking dog. It's a bulldog, English bulldog. English bulldog. It was very expensive. My current bulldog, not happy. Not thrilled. Hey, bulldogs are territorial.
Starting point is 01:42:01 They get a little protective. All it's going to take is one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently, you're going to wake up all hours of the night to let this thing out to fucking piss. Oh yeah. Small little bladders on those puppies. It's a real situation. I did not know I was getting myself into it. What did I tell you the other day, Connor?
Starting point is 01:42:15 You were saying get a dog that is potty trained. Already. House trained. Before you get it. Good news though. It's been to the bathroom like six times not once in the house. That's awesome. We're in trained. House trained. Before you get it. Good news, though. It's been to the bathroom like six times, not once in the house. Oh, that's awesome. So we're in a good spot already. I've never had a human baby.
Starting point is 01:42:30 Yeah. But a puppy, I've had a couple in my life. Sole training, I assume. It's fucking terrible. Yeah. I don't know. I saw you get one, and I was like, God damn, you just signed up. It's a lot of work.
Starting point is 01:42:41 Yeah. It's a shame you can't just diaper them up like a kid and just let them shit themselves until they're ready to do it the right way. That would be nice. That would be nice. I told Connor because I think the pub might be looking into a dog possibly. We're impossible. We're always thinking of adding to the pub. You guys should rescue.
Starting point is 01:42:58 You guys should rescue. Well, that's what I'm saying. You get a dog that's like one and a half, maybe two years old, and if you rescue it, it knows that you saved its life too. So it's like grateful. It'll know how to shit outside. Yeah, Val is the greatest dog I've ever been around.
Starting point is 01:43:11 Yeah, we bring a dog to the pub though. I don't know if they're going to think that they're being rescued. That's a good point. Take me back. Good point. Take me back to that fucking kill shit. These floors are so crooked.
Starting point is 01:43:21 What's going on? At least I know I only got two weeks left there. Who knows how fucking long I'll be here. I can't remember who it was, but somebody on Saturday said, if we stayed at the pub the entire day, and we drank their entire day, by the end of the day, we'd all just be standing in one corner because we'd be drunk.
Starting point is 01:43:35 The floor would just slam us into a corner. Just keep moving to that corner. It's like those slippery stairs in the Korean game show. Getting up from one side of the place to the other for you guys. My band from the pub. How was that water? I have diabetes now. Now you do?
Starting point is 01:43:52 I drank Skittle water at four in the morning. So what happened? So it didn't work. It was a prank gone wrong and Diggs put Skittles in our Pub Brita Brand new Brita
Starting point is 01:44:08 I hadn't even used it yet I thought it would be hysterical It is hysterical For them to get home and be like drunk And just wanting water And then they go to drink the water And it's just sugary fucking Skittle water I honestly thought it was Todd
Starting point is 01:44:23 Apparently it was too sugary and it clogged the filter. I mean just buy a new filter. How sweet was that? It's like water that you give hamsters. Like sugar water. You being hung over and just with cotton mouth and chugging that is hilarious. Hey, I'll be honest.
Starting point is 01:44:40 Not the greatest prank ever guys. Not the greatest prank ever. Foxy just tried to keep it very real well no I mean I didn't I hadn't even used the Brita yet but I didn't even know and Diggs just sends us a text like hey I bought you guys a new Brita I pulled a prank on you guys so I was just like oh okay so is that a known
Starting point is 01:44:56 is that a known prank no no that was my first time doing that one I mean you just look around the house and you take advantage of what you have there you use their own skittles against you. Oh, yeah. And their Brita. So in the thread, I tweeted out, people said they usually put vodka in the Brita.
Starting point is 01:45:12 That would have been mean. That would have been so mean. I would have been angry. Oh, that's like the water bottle that has vodka in it. Yeah. You just stumbling out. Oh, I can't. I woke up at like 5.30 a.m. on Sunday and I was drinking this, my Brita, great water.
Starting point is 01:45:25 And I thought, and then it came to me and I was like, oh, I feel terrible now. So I apologized, and I bought him a new one. That's just the type of guy I am. That's very nice of you. Two weeks of suspension. Two weeks of suspension. From the pub? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:36 What a gift. If he accidentally ends up there not allowed in, I'd be fucking trained. Listen to Foxy. Not that great of a prank, guys. I mean, out of all the things you guys could have did, and that's all you came up with. Do you want us to burn your house down? No, I just expect.
Starting point is 01:45:50 Maybe break a window. He wants to pee in it. I would like you to burn their house down. I mean, the best pranks. Come on. The best pranks. Bro, you guys are going to die in there. You guys are literally going to die in there.
Starting point is 01:45:59 I don't know. I thought you guys all enjoyed it. No, I'm not saying by natural causes. I'm talking by the pub killing you from falling in on itself. That place is terrible. I thought somebody lived in the attic for months and he didn't know about it. I was unsure whether there was someone in the attic or not. I wasn't ruling it out because I've never been up there.
Starting point is 01:46:17 The pub was a great host, though. You guys had Krispy Kreme donuts out there. You had these Skittles in a bowl, which you got taken advantage of. You've got to have candy bowls to classy the place up. Appreciate you guys coming. It was a good time. out there you had these skittles in a bowl which got you got taken advantage of you gotta have candy bowls to classy the place up yep appreciate you guys coming you guys you guys use the brita thing huh everybody's a brita person yeah my fucking fridge stopped doing it the water no really yeah that sucks i love mine i burn the shit out of mine i never i've never i don't think i've got bottled water on tap all the time? No. I'm in a bad,
Starting point is 01:46:45 I'm in a very bad spot. What do you mean, just tapped? It just doesn't work anymore. Just stop working. I don't know. So I would always use it at least four times a day.
Starting point is 01:46:54 Yes. In the morning, I would get a cup and chug that thing. Cold water is just like a coffee, they say. That's a lie, but it's close.
Starting point is 01:47:02 Yeah, yeah. Then Teddy only likes cold water. Correct. Cat. So you're stuck there. So I got to close yeah then teddy only likes cold water cat so you're stuck there so i gotta get him his own bowl of cold water anytime i'd walk to the fridge teddy would be coming over sitting down meowing at me i'd be meowing back he knew what was gonna happen so then one day just a couple weeks ago and then another cup of water and another thing for teddy so at least four times a day i'd use this thing a couple weeks ago i got back from somewhere, same when I got back, Teddy comes over,
Starting point is 01:47:27 he's meowing at me, you know, he wants his own bowl. I put it under there, I'm like so tired, I don't even notice it's not filling up, the light is up, and I look in, I'm like oh, it's done. You need a new filter. I don't know, I've never been... Is that easy to change? Yeah. I've never had this thing before. I've never met a fridge that hasn't, that thing
Starting point is 01:47:43 hasn't stopped working. That's what I'm saying. because everybody else that has this thing i always go to their house you know what happens broken that no it works oh yeah water comes out and walk with me fucking works i've never i've never seen one our last house it was broken the entire time we lived there it was very frustrating oh yeah and then it crapped out what do i gotta do i gotta change the filter yeah some of them stop i've had one yeah because you got if you have a fancy fridge it's like got it's computerized so so it tells it, hey, it's the right place to filter. This fridge that I have, you guys have seen it, might be from when they built the house.
Starting point is 01:48:12 It might have been the first one that had the water thing in it. I got to redo the whole kitchen, by the way. When you lose your water source, that is a terrible thing to happen in your life. It's terrible. Because your ice maker's still working, right? No. Yeah, it is. So you're getting water in to the fridge.
Starting point is 01:48:30 It's just something that's probably kicked itself off for the filter. I gotta go turn that thing on. You're redoing the kitchen now, too, huh? Gotta redo the kitchen. And the deck. So remember, I've said this about the mayor of Indianapolis. These roads probably should have been fixed years ago
Starting point is 01:48:46 but they just so happen to all completely fall apart under his mayoral ship okay yeah you're right so it just sucks for you bro but you that's your when i moved into my house the previous owner did not update a single thing anything so everything started crapping out the water heater the air conditioner the this the that i had to fix it all plus trees started dying and falling into the neighbor's property knocking down trees or knocking down fences guess who had to pay for those fences you me guess who had to bring in the goddamn guy me it just so happened to happen when i bought the house like all this shit stopped. That's what's happening to this fridge.
Starting point is 01:49:30 This thing is probably a good runner for like 20 years, and now it's just stopped working. The fucking oven just stops working sometimes. None of it's been updated, so I've got to redo the whole fucking kitchen, which means you've got to have somebody in your house for like four weeks. Might as well get a new house. Might as well get a new house.
Starting point is 01:49:43 Hey, you might as well go stay somewhere for a month. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to need stay somewhere for a month. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to need an Airbnb for a month. Everything revolves around the kitchen. You're always in the kitchen. Everything. And if you want to redo it, what do you got to do? I move.
Starting point is 01:49:54 You got company. Just move. Did you say the pub? I will move. Yeah, the pub will, I mean, I think I can. Open doors. Yeah, we have open doors. Get a two-month lease somewhere, three-month lease.
Starting point is 01:50:03 I'm not going to the pub. No. There is zero chance of that. Think about it. I did. Anytime you've got to fix anything in your house, I had water pipes burst in my basement. That was in your house, though. That was the other side.
Starting point is 01:50:18 Part of the house. I see the kitchen, but the house I don't see. That is like a fucking week-and-a-half job, these people said. They're going to be in my house for a week-and-a-half. I'm like, I don't want that is like a fucking week and a half job these people said they're going to be in my house for a week and a half I'm like I don't want anybody in my house
Starting point is 01:50:28 get out of my house get out of my house I can't do it that was in single pass part of the house because right there was where we would always graduate
Starting point is 01:50:37 that's where we ride them out play cards that's everything down there that part of the house is dead it's been dead but it committed suicide.
Starting point is 01:50:47 Burst its own pipe. Week and a half fix. Week and a half somebody. And the kitchen's like fucking three and a half weeks. And I know they're all upcharging me. I know it.
Starting point is 01:50:58 Hey, can I backtrack to that dog? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got a name yet? Oh, Lily. What's the last name? I don't know. We got a name yet? Oh, Lily. What's the last name? I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:51:07 Daisy and Lily. Yeah. Daisy and Lily. So the dog I currently have is Daisy. The new one is Lily. The name of this dog on the website, the new one, was Daisy on the website. It's weird. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:51:16 Destiny. Almost an omen. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Thanks, Squirms. Little omen or bad omen? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:51:22 You know what? They could be too similar. Time will tell. They're the same? You get two of the same dogs? Yeah. Bulldogs. Interesting. They're going to go after it. Life's only so short. You can only have so many dogs in your lifetime. Don't you think the Marauders have 15 boxers? No, just one.
Starting point is 01:51:36 Really? Yeah. Boxer, husky, golden lab. In my mind, we got another bulldog because we thought it would get along together because they're the same breed. Nah. Nah, but they're going to hate each other. Oh, I don't understand how that works. There's only one situation that's going to pop off, and one will find out that it's more powerful than the other, and it's all over.
Starting point is 01:51:52 Oh, yeah, yeah. But that situation has to happen. It's a good-looking dog, though. Great dog. Thank you. Appreciate it. We can't bring another dog in for Inval. Well, you tried.
Starting point is 01:51:59 We tried, and it was a sitch. We don't need more sitches. Nope. Sam's trying to fucking go around this contract she signed, the way she signed a contract that she would not have another animal for five years still on the wall right still on the wall because we got the three-legged cat we already had a zoo she tried to make it a full-on safari okay made her sign a contract i samantha it says not her last name because she said well when we get married i have a new last name so that contract is void i'm like no it just says samantha and what's your
Starting point is 01:52:29 fucking name samantha still that's you take it to court sam thank you i was ready for it no more animals need to be in this house everywhere we go it literally is like a little village i love them all i very much love them all but you bring another one in and you lose the attention on the ones that are there that's what I try to explain to her it's like the house harmony is high that's nice right now
Starting point is 01:52:50 let's keep the house harmony at an all time high she's trying to break the rules she wants to she wants to buy a frog for us for the office in here yeah
Starting point is 01:52:59 I said who's going to take care of that that thing's going to die that thing will get out like the second or third day we have it well I guess there's something where you get a tadpole and then it grows into a frog.
Starting point is 01:53:07 Oh. Yeah, that's nature. Yeah, evolution, bro. Yeah, but I think you can actually, I think they have ones that like maybe expedite the whole process. Completely natural, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:16 If she wanted to send us a tadpole, that would become a frog to the office. That'd be pretty, I mean, that'd be pretty cool. Yeah, but she sent a chia pet to the office and that thing's sitting in the pub right now, poisoned, bald-ass fucking head. You got to clean the tank. That's what I'm saying. What, but she sent a chia pet to the office, and that thing's sitting in the pub right now, poisoned, bowed-ass fucking head. You got to clean the tank.
Starting point is 01:53:27 That's what I'm saying. We should get a turtle. We should get a caterpillar in terms of a butterfly. Oh, we let out. That's beautiful, too. Butterfly is beautiful. You need a horse.
Starting point is 01:53:38 I think you should get a horse. What team are you on? What are you? I think you do. I'm not on either side. I really do. With all the property you have out there, your life would change if you got a horse.
Starting point is 01:53:45 Do you know how much work a horse is? We're talking about harmony. It poops this big? I've told a little bit of work. How big, Z? Oh, this big. Jay Cutler has a goat that looks awesome. Huh?
Starting point is 01:53:55 Jay Cutler has a goat that looks awesome. Goat wouldn't be bad. Sam wants a cow. Nah. Nah. What do they do? Sam wants this hairy cow. You wouldn't have to mow your lawn.
Starting point is 01:54:03 The horse, you're a horse guy. We've looked into the horses because they're supposed to be just big dogs. But you've got to clean them and hay them and the whole thing. You should go. Yeah, don't get a big horse. Get one of those little tiny horses. Shetland? Oh, mini pony.
Starting point is 01:54:18 Yeah. They have those shows and stuff. They're like dwarf horses. I feel like only rich immigrants have mini horses. The regular horse. How deadly is that regular horse? Like, I tell Marnie all the time, I'm like, you're a fucking idiot. She's like, well, you control the horse when you're on it if you know what you're doing. I'm like, yeah, until he decides that you're not in charge and throws you.
Starting point is 01:54:38 And he's 1,700 pounds. Yeah. So I say little. And I assume that my horse would get moody. Yeah, yeah. With the way. A cow might be pretty cool. Well, I want a miniature bucking bull.
Starting point is 01:54:49 Everybody knows I want a miniature bucking bull. Those are awesome. That would be awesome. Like Sam's like, she wants this cow. I'm like, you let me get this miniature bucking bull. So maybe we'll. Fernandad. But I think you need to get a goat.
Starting point is 01:55:01 What the fuck was that bull's name? Fernandad? Fernandad. Fernandad. Fernadad. Don't you ever disrespect Sina. By the way, the club was playing Fernadad. Thank you to you guys. Yeah, the valet took off.
Starting point is 01:55:18 So we were trying to get the valet to take care of your car. But he had to get off. Hey, it's like the old CBA. If Sam wants to add something there, you've got to compromise. I want to manage your bucking bull. There you go. Who's going to take care of him? Great question.
Starting point is 01:55:31 Gorms. And he's ornery. Keep that in mind, too. He's always pissed off. The bucking bull? Sure he is. Mine's happy. I've got a happy bucking bull.
Starting point is 01:55:38 He's not bucking then. We'll piss him off every once in a while. We'll poke the fire. Hey, if you get a bucking bull, you have to get a goat because just like in Ferdinand, the goat is the director of morale of the animal world. All the great Zito in there. Because it keeps all the animals company.
Starting point is 01:55:53 So his brown cow is a possibility. And the goats will eat the trash. They will. The cow and the grass. Gone. And I am looking into kicking some balls in the backyard again just for fun. I missed the ball kicking. And my grass is so damn high, I got a little
Starting point is 01:56:08 bucking bull back here. He's probably whipping and shaking. I think they eat grass, right? Yeah, for sure. Gotta watch out for them bucking bull patties, though. Get some shit on your foot. I couldn't even imagine. Grumpy? A bucking bull grumpy?
Starting point is 01:56:23 I think you need a shit vacuum to pick those up. You can't use a shovel. Oh, a shop vac. Oh. Zito had a burrito at 9 a.m. the other day, fucking turned on a shop vac in the middle of literally the only meeting we've ever had here. Cleaned it, though. It was all clean.
Starting point is 01:56:39 People forget. Zito, can you not run the vacuum right now? We're in a meeting. Oh, it's okay. I spilled my burrito. Okay. I got Val. Val ended up with a little cut on her head.
Starting point is 01:57:00 I just got an update that she scratched her head and it busted open the cut. She needs to start taking it easy on herself. You didn't want her to get the cone. She didn't want the cone. I don't want that cone. She's a whole different dog with that cone. Yeah, I assume it's the worst thing of all time for them.
Starting point is 01:57:16 It's got to be. Does your head hang low? Does your wobble do dose? New segment today. In the IG story, I said sending questions for the podcast, chat with Pat situation. I will read the question, answer the question, and I'd like your guys' opinions.
Starting point is 01:57:34 Okay. On both the question and the answer. Also, we got a celebrity answer. Oh, wow. A question for a celebrity and then celebrity text answer for me to read. In our first ever IG story chat with Pat. That's pretty awesome. I don't know. It's pretty huge. A question for a celebrity and then celebrity text answer for me to read. In our first ever IG Story Chat with Pat. That's pretty awesome.
Starting point is 01:57:48 I don't know. It's pretty huge. Only down from here, I think, for this segment. Okay, here we go. At Kales14, K-A-H-L-E-S 14. Hello. He's wearing a Pittsburgh Penguins toboggan on his head. Tossel cap. He loves the Pens.
Starting point is 01:58:09 He's probably just as pissed as me and Mike Florio. It's a tough one. And that's Hockey Talk. There's another podcast. That's Hockey Talk. Every Thursday. Get it. Is that going to be a real thing? Oh yeah. What do you mean going to be? It is a real thing.
Starting point is 01:58:24 If AQ shows up to the next show. AQ Shipley skipped the last episode. Wow. Come on, AQ. I actually scolded him on a FaceTime.
Starting point is 01:58:32 He was jet lagged, though. Slept right through it, right? The time zone change, he said. Kind of screwed him over. Sure. A lot of excuses. A lot of excuses.
Starting point is 01:58:42 Sounds like a lot of excuses. Should've fined him. Should've. I should have fined him. I should have fined him. There we go. Yeah. That'll fix it. Hey, Toby!
Starting point is 01:58:51 He's got good hockey brain, by the way. He does. AQ Shipley loves the hockey. Never would have thought. And so you listen to That's Hockey Talk with two of the finest men I've ever heard talk about hockey. Top topics. Yeah, me and AQ. Yep.
Starting point is 01:59:01 That's fine. Gorm. No, that works. I agree with that actually Yeah Gorm's a part of that show too Mmhmm Cows 14 says
Starting point is 01:59:10 You think it's cows? Khaleesi? Cows Cows Might be cows Cows Brown cows Bucking bulls
Starting point is 01:59:17 Have you thought of buying your own plane Since you travel so much now? Yes Great question Great question I've actually done extensive research. Extensive research. We've called a couple different pilots. We've called a couple
Starting point is 01:59:28 different plane companies. A couple different banks. A couple different banks. It's wild how we are currently writing a business plan for potential investors so we can kind of grow this operation. Possibly you. Investors.
Starting point is 01:59:45 And writing into the business plan. Phil Maines, our CFO, has loved this. He'll send me something, and then I'll adjust it, and I'll add a plane in there with estimated price of yearly operations, and then I'll just send it back. I won't use it in different color font or anything. I just send it back as if it was a part of his. I'll be like, I think it looks good to go. And I just bank on him just being like lazy.
Starting point is 02:00:07 And then I'll get like an email back with a, like a circle on it. It's like, what is this? How can we, how can we sell a brand new Hawker 800 in the business plan? I just, he said,
Starting point is 02:00:17 no, it's fine. Just explain to me how I'm supposed to explain that to them. So they understand the business plan. I'm like, well, tell them it's needed. Tell them we're on a lot of flights. We ain't got time to be sitting around in the Orlando plan. I'm like, well, tell them it's needed. Tell them we're on a lot of flights.
Starting point is 02:00:25 We ain't got time to be sitting around in the Orlando airport. I was just going to say, just tell them to go to the Orlando airport. That's all they got to see. Phil, we ain't got time for that. No. What do they say? Time is what? Money.
Starting point is 02:00:37 Can't value that enough. So, yes, we are trying. And Phil is actually trying now. We've got him on our team. You got that iPhone yet or no? No, he left it here. No, yeah, yeah. He just spit in our face.
Starting point is 02:00:49 He did. Still on the Android. We might have the toughest CFO, smartest CFO, but he shaved his face and now he looks like the youngest CFO I've ever seen in my life. What a poor decision. He had a good beard. A hilarious text message from him. I zoomed in on his face.
Starting point is 02:01:06 He took his little Phil to a hockey in the flyers fucking game. I zoomed in on his face, and I sent it back to him and said, what's going on here? And he said, why the zoom in, question mark. Then said, yesterday, Kate got carded, and I did not. So he shaved his face. Been there. Lost it.
Starting point is 02:01:29 I started dying laughing. That was the most Phil Maynes answer I've ever heard in my life. Shout out to his wife, Kate, though. He'll have that beard back in two days. It is unbelievable. He had a thing like 13. I think he's like 13, 12 or 13. He had one. All right, here we go. From PJ he's like 13, 12 or 13. He had one. Alright, here we go.
Starting point is 02:01:46 From PJ underscore Summers asks, family guy. He's got two kids both wearing sweater vests in a picture. Classy family. I'm zooming in right now. Looks like a very classy family.
Starting point is 02:01:59 Short sleeve, white button up shirt. Oh, they're next to Ditka. I'm zooming in on it. Ditka and two kids wearing gray sweater vests with white shirts underneath them. Fair enough. PJ Summers asks, what position in other sports would you compare with punter? So I think it's a middle reliever, I believe is the one I'm thinking. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:20 Middle reliever probably, and kicker is the closer. Yep. I believe those are two very accurate things. If the middle reliever only throws juice, too, that's probably another way to describe it. It's an all fastball middle reliever in baseball. I'm trying to think of a better one, and I can't. You compare it a lot to golf, too, just in general.
Starting point is 02:02:39 Well, it's because of golf because it's repetition. It's a shot. It's just you and the ball. The only difference is obviously... Team game. Well, and you got a lot of humans because it's repetition. It's a shot. It's just you and the ball. The only difference is obviously... Team game. Well, and you got a lot of humans sprinting at you. And like noises asked for as opposed to silenced. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:57 But they get a lot more reps than we do, obviously. But they can fuck up more than we can. True. So there's a lot of give and take there. When it comes to the actual activity, mentally you're a up more than we can. True. So there's a lot of give and take there. When it comes to the actual activity mentally, you're a lot like a golfer, but to compare it to another sport, it'd be middle reliever. Yeah, I can't think of anything better than that.
Starting point is 02:03:12 Can we say goalie as well? Kicker, maybe. Maybe like a goalie. Maybe. Because it's a situation. Kicker, for that situation, it's like, well, you're either going to be blamed or you're just not going to be noticed at all, pretty much.
Starting point is 02:03:30 Yep. That's Holder then. Yeah, that too. So Holder. Yeah. I don't know, but I think that's accurate. I think if that's how you view punters, I think you have a better understanding of how you should view them.
Starting point is 02:03:41 Correct, yeah. Like the whole they're not football players thing, like chill the fuck out. We're on a football field getting a football check. Obviously, we're football players. But no, we are not comparable to an offensive lineman or a linebacker or anybody, really. We're different animals.
Starting point is 02:03:56 Yeah, for sure. Good question there. Great question from Will. Great question. His kids got great shirts on, though. And they're with Ditka. Ditka. Good family.
Starting point is 02:04:05 Summer's family. All right, here. And they're with Ditka. Ditka. Good family. Summer's family. All right, here. This is from Big Kev Stay Grimy. Oh. Big Kev. Stay Grimy. Big Kev Stay Grimy. It's him and his lady in the photo.
Starting point is 02:04:16 He's got a little bit of a goatee and a mustache there. Staying grimy. Big Kev Stay Grimy. Oh. Looming to start a podcast slash do an open mic at a comedy club okay so we spelled looking wrong what are some suggestions get this one a lot get this one a lot uh big kev stay grimy i think you should just go for it man honestly i don't think there's anything like just going for it in anything by the way i thought about this the other day. When I was in, I don't know if it was junior high or elementary school,
Starting point is 02:04:47 there was this guy that came and spoke in our auditorium. He's a motivational life coach. And he had this thing where he pulled out like a $100 bill in his hand or something, and he did this whole like, who wants this? And everybody was like, I do, I do. He said, no, no, who really wants this? I do, I do, I do. I was honestly the person that stood
Starting point is 02:05:06 up walked up there grabbed it out of his hand and sat down he was like that's what you have to do in life blah blah blah blah that was literally what i did right so i was that kid literally since i was a child i think you just gotta fucking go for it i honestly believe that if you're gonna go do an open mic you might suck but you at least gotta go for it a little self-awareness a little self-awareness if you suck maybe work on it a little bit. Don't throw yourself into the fire a couple times in a row. And if you're going to do a podcast, it's so easy nowadays. Just keep doing it.
Starting point is 02:05:32 So easy. Just get a microphone. Plug it into your phone if you have to. Get a friend to talk into a microphone. Plug it into a computer. And if it's not good, don't put it out. Keep repping, repping, repping. And then just keep it moving.
Starting point is 02:05:44 And there's just self-awareness has to happen but i think you just got to go for it to be honest because you never know till you know correct never know till you know very well said thank you can i add something yeah uh don't loom it's kind of creepy it's awkward yo big kev stay grinding um all right anything else from the room what about uh quentin nelson Big Kev, stay grinding. All right. Anything else from the room? What about Quentin Nelson on there?
Starting point is 02:06:10 Hey. Opening up a little bit. We got to get him a little drunk, I think. Is that the trick? Is that the trick? Hey, that was awesome. Yeah. For a guy who doesn't say words during an interview.
Starting point is 02:06:20 I'm a huge fan of everything that happens. So what, they became friends on the Pro Bowl, you think? Who knows? Oh, yeah. Left tackle, left guard. That's probably what happened. Like, hey, we're pretty alike, guys. We're really good at offensive lining. You went on the Pro Bowl, you think? Who knows? Oh, yeah. Left tackle, left guard. That's probably what happened. Like, hey, we're pretty alike, guys. We're really good at offensive lining. You went on Pat's show, right?
Starting point is 02:06:30 That's probably what the conversation was. Probably because of you, really. Taylor LeJuan sent me a message. You're the least common denominator. He was mad that I didn't tag him in the tweet. I was like, I ran out of characters, bro. I tagged you on Instagram, though. But he said, everybody knows the rules.
Starting point is 02:06:50 And I was like, yeah, you're 100% right. That's you're 100 right that's 100 on me i love that human so much i'm a big fan of taylor leone and also a big fan of quentin nelson again him him willing to do that says a lot no matter how many they did they were spot on too bro they did they worked on that for a couple do you think they had like you know you ever see dance moms where there's somebody behind the camera doing the dance? Do you think there was somebody behind the camera that was like- Or there was a TV or an iPad or something with a video on it, and they were just doing that. Yeah, Quentin Nelson had to have, because he had the sunglasses on, too, and I thought it was because he was looking somewhere else. He was spot on. Spot on.
Starting point is 02:07:21 It was perfect. Taylor was, as well. Taylor had the hair thing. Oh, yeah, they were both very, very good. Hey, I respect that move. I would like to let both of them know, as friends of the show, that what they did to the internet was beautiful. Beautiful.
Starting point is 02:07:34 I really like what they did. Now, granted, Colts, Titans, they don't have to play against each other ever because offensive line. Correct. You know? Yeah. Which helps. I assume helps I would
Starting point is 02:07:45 assume that's how the friends Quentin Nelson is not a I mean get bombed on Marg's in a hot tub in a tropical setting with someone your friends all right by the way that sweet looks pretty nice yeah yeah party be an offset stay in it Taylor the wand stays in it very nice I'm looking that sweet just ask
Starting point is 02:08:02 him if he's still talking to you well I think they're upset I didn't tell him. Yeah, I'm excited. Not enough characters, bro. Go with Jack. Go with Jack. Everybody knew. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:13 Everybody knew. Everybody knew. They should, by the way. That's too hilarious. Josh Norman still thought he could beat that guy up. Also hilarious. Very funny. Very funny.
Starting point is 02:08:22 Who says big guy knows how to fight? That's the way he does it. Hey, Ben Askren, there's something we can talk about. Yeah. He's just calling out everybody. Yeah, he's ready to take on whoever wants to step in there. He wants to move up as quick as possible, and I respect it so much. He said he doesn't have much time left, so he's got to move quick.
Starting point is 02:08:40 But I don't think it's unfounded either. I think he can go in there and really do some damage. I think that's real confidence that he has. Oh, yeah. I mean, he can's got to move. But I don't think it's unfounded either. I think he can go in there and really do some damage. I think that's real confidence that he has. Oh, yeah. I mean, he can beat anybody in there. Especially Till. He's calling out. He'll walk through that. Well, Till already lost, right? Yeah. Till lost on Saturday. But I mean, everybody's calling out.
Starting point is 02:08:56 None of those people can touch him. What happened? One of them guys, he wins the fight, and then he goes and fights another guy. Oh, yeah. That was... Because he threw real punches. Yeah, he cut him open. Normally it's just like pushing, shoving. They're like, hey, we won't get after it. But that guy.
Starting point is 02:09:09 It was during the interview and the other dude was talking shit and he fucking walked over and looks at me and says, they scrapped him real quickly. And then Ben Askren, not to miss an opportunity, goes, they've quarantined me upstairs. Apparently whoever just won started a fight with somebody else so he didn't have to fight me. Which is beautiful.
Starting point is 02:09:27 Absolutely beautiful. I'm a big fan of Ben Askren. I like the way he operates. Yeah, he's going to be fun to watch. I don't know how many years he's going to, if he goes two, hopefully he'll squeeze a couple more out, but who knows.
Starting point is 02:09:39 It sounds like he already has his life together and that's the difference. In the same video where he was doing IG stories for the first time, I was watching him during my hangover. Nasty hangover, man. Tough. It's four beers, I think.
Starting point is 02:09:52 Car bomb. He'll do it. Foxy was drinking them on Saturdays, though. Foxy had himself a drink. I was drinking them. They were great. They were great. I loved them.
Starting point is 02:10:07 I'm fucking believing. Hey. It's a perfect porch pounder. It is. Fucking ice cold. Porch pounder. A couple porch pounders. That's what I said.
Starting point is 02:10:19 Delightful. Love the can. Good summer beer. Yeah. But I was watching his IG story hungover. And he said that his wrestling academy had a hundred state champions or something
Starting point is 02:10:29 yeah what is there even a hundred state champions I don't there's only for these states there's only for these states how am I watching
Starting point is 02:10:37 a lot of weight classes a lot of weight classes yeah true yeah I don't know if I'm if I'm recounting that right but his little academy is winning everything.
Starting point is 02:10:46 I thought he said 100, maybe in total. Yeah, since they started. Since they started. Including alumni. Yeah. Anyways, good guy. Yeah, and I tell you what, that guy, it's refreshing to see someone with that personality.
Starting point is 02:10:59 You know what I mean? Because I don't think he's over the top with it. He's just straight to the point. Very confident. I'll call you out, tell you exactly what I'm going to do with you, and there's not a lot of color around it, and I fucking love it. Yeah, he's just old school. He's just right at it.
Starting point is 02:11:10 And he has the face of a guy that could beat you up. Yeah. What they call him, the curly-headed fuck. Yeah. Yeah, he has an awesome shirt. With his face as the U and fuck on the bottom. It was awesome. I love that.
Starting point is 02:11:23 He gets it. I don't know why Dana White has not pushed him enough. He should embrace the fuck out of him. That's what I'm saying. As a promoter, I feel like that's something that you should go for. Like if Vince McMahon had that guy in there, I would assume Vince McMahon would be like, let's get the curly-headed fuck.
Starting point is 02:11:40 Speaking of, are you allowed to talk about what's going on here tomorrow? Oh, yeah, the Hardy Boys. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you about. The Hardy Boys are coming by the office. It's going to be crazy. The Hardy Boys have been wrestling for, I think, 35 years. A long time, dude. A long time.
Starting point is 02:11:52 Jeff Hardy, guy with the long hair, face paint, goes off the high things. Matt Hardy, his brother, Incredible Talker, does an elbow drop off the top rope. They've been wrestling for a long, long time. This would have been incredible when I was 16, but you know what? Even better, we got them when I'm 30. Let's go. They're coming through the office. We got some hilarious.
Starting point is 02:12:10 Well, I don't know how they're going to end up. Conceptually, they feel like they're going to be hilarious. Conceptually hilarious things. If somebody gets hurt, it's still funny. Yep. That's what I think. It's all content. Yep.
Starting point is 02:12:24 Somebody's jumping off the mezzanine tomorrow Yeah For Jeff Hardy Yep Somebody is Somebody is Couple people might I think
Starting point is 02:12:32 I think I have to do it So if anybody else does it You know It's like I didn't just send A test subject I think that's I might do it
Starting point is 02:12:41 If I lay Todd out Down on the bottom Oh Come on The mezzanine. Oh, shit. Big shout out to the WWE. They're wanting us to succeed, I think. Yeah, they're awesome.
Starting point is 02:12:51 They're the best. They really are. They're so nice. I don't get it. There has to be something. There has to be a gutter. I think it's just finally they're the company that gets it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:13:03 It could be, couldn't it? Well, that's refreshing. I mean, they came up not the easy it. You know what I mean? Could be, couldn't it? Well, that's refreshing. I mean, they came up from, they came up not the easy course. You know what I mean? He built that thing from scratch.
Starting point is 02:13:11 He fucking gets it. I texted Mr. H after he made his appearance on the show last week. I said, congrats on your first appearance on the Pat McAfee show 2.0 and sent him the video
Starting point is 02:13:24 and he goes, did we break any records? I didn't answer. I didn't know how to respond. I didn't know how to respond. They're all so fucking nice, man. I don't get it. It's going to be fun. WrestleMania week's going to be a blast.
Starting point is 02:13:40 We're so thankful for all of you. Hashtag endgang, hashtag endgame. We're so thankful for all of you. Hashtag Ngang. Hashtag Ngame. Send us a picture or a GIF of someone. Oh, are we doing a bracket? Oh, yeah. There's a public one.
Starting point is 02:13:53 If you just search hashtag McAfee4MNF on ESPN. F-O-R? Yeah, F-O-R. Okay, there we go. Hashtag Ngang. Hashtag Ngame. Send us a screenshot of you coming in and joining our bracket contest. Yep.
Starting point is 02:14:07 Can we tweet a link out? Yes. We'll tweet a link out as well. Does the winner get anything? Oh, yeah. Nice. Something awesome. Okay.
Starting point is 02:14:14 We'll give the winner something awesome. Do we know what that is yet? No. That makes it even better. But it'll be something awesome. Winner gets something awesome. And I think we're known for giving away awesome things. There's going to be a lot of people in it.
Starting point is 02:14:27 Name one time we gave away something that wasn't awesome. I sent a ketchup bottle to that one kid. Awesome. Was it Heinz? Yeah. Oh, okay. Awesome. It's like an eighth filled.
Starting point is 02:14:42 I'm an optimist. I didn't say seven eighths empty. Nope. Correct. Nope. It's an eighth filled. That'll last say seven-eighths empty. Nope. Correct. Nope. I said eighth filled. That'll last you another month at least. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:14:50 I had a cheat weekend, food-wise. We all did. Yeah. I ordered an apple pie from Bob Evans DoorDash. Probably the first person ever to do it. You were cheating. A slice. Oh, not the whole pie. They gave me half a slice. What? They cut off person ever to do it. You were cheating. A slice. Oh, not the whole pie.
Starting point is 02:15:06 They gave me half a slice. What? They cut off the front half of it. I took a picture and tweeted it to Bob Evans and DoorDash and said, what happened here? Come on. The driver ate it, is what happened. The lady seemed like a really nice lady when she dropped it off. Yeah, she's got a sweet tooth.
Starting point is 02:15:19 No biscuits. Hey, no biscuits either. Sam ordered biscuits. We got no biscuits. That's absurd. She was really happy, wasn't she? Yeah, she was either. Sam ordered biscuits. We got no biscuits. That's absurd. She was really happy, wasn't she? Yeah, she was very nice. You know what?
Starting point is 02:15:28 She did seem like she was happily and filled. Like she was almost full. And it did take a little bit to get there. How do you mess up biscuits? Yeah. He didn't mess them up. He just didn't come. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 02:15:38 How do you let that fly? I got a fried chicken. Okay. It was just a fried chicken. Okay. It was just a big chicken nugget. What? Yeah. They gave me just a big chicken nugget. It was awesome.
Starting point is 02:15:51 Really? As soon as I realized that it was just a big chicken nugget, everything changed. I went and got the hot sauce. I went for ketchup. I put it in there. Hands, by the way. No bones. So it's like a country fried chicken.
Starting point is 02:16:00 No bones. It was a homestyle fried chicken something. Wow. So it was like a big chicken patty. It was like a country fried chicken, but without the gravy or whatever. That sounds pretty fucking awesome. Yeah, but it felt like nugget covering as opposed to thick covering. It was literally like nugget covering.
Starting point is 02:16:15 That sounds amazing. It was the mega nugget, two of them. That's a big piece of chicken parm. That's exactly what it was. That's exactly what it was without sauce on top. I was literally just Dipping it in cachotte sauce Having a day
Starting point is 02:16:27 Then there was stuffing there Love the stuffing Have yourself a day my friend Dude I went all in Fuck you on the pie though Half a pie That would have been nice
Starting point is 02:16:36 And then I asked for vanilla ice cream They put caramel On the vanilla ice cream What? Let me handle the caramel We're going to do Half a pie all of them Yeah You can't hate them For putting the caramel on I mean that cream. What? It's like, let me handle the caramel. We're going to do that by all of us.
Starting point is 02:16:46 Yeah. You can't hate him for putting the caramel on. I mean, that is a little... I do. You do? Oh, you can't. It's just a sweet on a sweet, I'm saying. Yeah, but let me pour it on.
Starting point is 02:16:54 Just let me do it. I'll decide how much. You know what I mean? I mean, you're not the fucking caramel police. I'm not bad at it. I am. No, no, no. I said that wrong.
Starting point is 02:17:02 Yeah, but he took... You're not the caramel wizard. They took... You know how no. I said that wrong. Yeah, but he took... You're not the caramel wizard. They took... You know how much caramel I want to eat. I fucking know it all of caramel. DoorDash has been in a bad spot, though, man. Three hours? Twice.
Starting point is 02:17:15 It happened twice for a three-hour delivery. That's bullshit. Sam ordered this rice and chicken from Mexican Place. I always have one standard order from Mexican Places. Chicken quesadilla. That's it. can't mess it up no sour cream just give me chicken quesadilla and i just want to eat two of them hey there is a another delivery app that has invested in the small business no postmates i know i probably should i don't think they come to my house, though. They don't come to my house. Are you sure?
Starting point is 02:17:46 Yeah. I've checked. That sucks. Yeah. Because it's tough because DoorDash has gone to fucking hell. I love that company. I didn't have to leave my house, and I got everything coming to my house. Pizza Hut always came.
Starting point is 02:17:59 But you get it. It was like Pizza Hut with everything. We'd just get delivered to the house. Applebee's, ribs, showing up. I did it with canova last night exactly it's incredible this i had like a garbage bag of taco bell delivered saturday after drinking all day from grubhub yeah yeah that's right that commercial move it was beautiful but doordash has gone to fucking hell they need to clean it up clean it up clean that fucking shit because you got people you're holding people hostage yeah literally literally yeah because i'm sitting there waiting for food because i'm hungry Clean that fucking shit up, dude. Because you're holding people hostage. Yeah. Literally. Literally.
Starting point is 02:18:25 Yeah. Because I'm sitting there waiting for food because I'm hungry. And you tell me a time it's going to come. I understand if you're off by a little bit. I understand that there's transaction situations. You can't be three hours off. Because what am I supposed to do? Starve?
Starting point is 02:18:38 You also order it when you're hungry. So by the time it gets there. And I don't want to tip the guy up front. I don't want to tip the guy up front. Yeah, I want to know how he's doing. Uber Eats, you have the option to do that so you don't forget, but it won't go through until it does a confirmation. It says, hey, do you still want to give this driver $3?
Starting point is 02:18:54 And you have to hit it. Because Sam does all that. So she has it just locked in, I think, on a tip, right? I like to reward people that are good, though. Exactly. Maybe you deserve a little more. Yes. Maybe you deserve a little less. Who. Maybe you deserve a little less.
Starting point is 02:19:05 Who knows? Whoa. I don't know what you did. You forgot my biscuits, so go fuck yourself. And half the pie. But I don't check that at the door. They're already gone. They're already out the gate.
Starting point is 02:19:15 Yeah. We have to set a 30-second code for them to punch into. Yeah. Have a full conversation with them. What a pain. They got to call. My gate thing needs fixed too. Guess what that means?
Starting point is 02:19:27 People at the house. Open gate too. You just have to go away for like two months. Street youths are going to come in. Get you a penthouse. Get that bull. Protect you. Mint your bucket bull. You definitely put it in the front yard.
Starting point is 02:19:42 That's good. Got all those workers coming in for the next two months. You guys F around. You F with the bull. You know what you get. The horns. Thank you. You mess with the miniature bucking bull.
Starting point is 02:19:53 You get the miniature bucking horns. I ain't bucking around. I need to nipple that thing, too. I need to nipple that thing. From when it's a baby, you mean? Yeah, I want that thing to know that I'm its dad. Oh, yeah. Because me and that bucking bull need to be one tell you what we do until we fasten you some sort of vest where uh the nipples pop out of your chest out of the vest so it thinks you're it's
Starting point is 02:20:14 definitely it looks like you have udders yeah and i have a backpack on with all the milk yeah kind of like a camelback and then yeah yeah and i lay down with it with my hands like the cow hands, arms. Yeah. And I just kind of let it go to town. Yeah. Now you're mama. That's me and my buck and bull. It's a kid's book.
Starting point is 02:20:33 There it is. Me and my buck and bull. And Tonto. Tonto gets asked about often on the internet. He's still going strong, literally. That guy hasn't fucking budged. He's scary. He's lean a little bit.
Starting point is 02:20:48 It's because you got one shoe on. Lake Tahoe, we're coming out there for the Pro-Am thing. I would recommend coming out and hanging out with us. I thought it was Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Turns out it's Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Correct. I didn't even know the proper days. i was scheduling things with people to do stuff you come in on wednesday then you come in on thursday they're like you got it we're in and then foxy was like uh we're going out to
Starting point is 02:21:17 lake tahoe on wednesday i was like yeah he was like it doesn't start till friday i was like i think you're wrong and then gorman i think gorman even got in i was like pro it doesn't start until Friday. I was like, I think you're wrong. And then Gorman, I think Gorman even got in. I was like, pro-ams are always on Wednesday. And they're like, no, the whole weekend is a pro-am. Yeah, this one's for TV, right? Oh, that makes sense. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Son of a bitch.
Starting point is 02:21:35 Nationally televised audience. Big win would be nice. Showtime. Showtime. Hey, weather's getting good. I'm thinking about playing this Saturday if you want to get some warm-ups in. Where are you playing at? I don't know this Saturday if you want to get some warm-ups in. Where are you playing at? I don't know.
Starting point is 02:21:46 Where do you want to play? Saturday? Yeah, it's supposed to be decent weather. 58 and sunny. You can go to my country club if you want. You grew up on country club too? No. We knew you were a fucking billionaire.
Starting point is 02:21:56 Oh, slip. You let it slip by. Oh, no. Zito. Zito. Let's edit it out. Edit it out. With that little nine-hole thing, the shithole you use.
Starting point is 02:22:08 Oh, that shithole. It's pretty nice. It's comparable to the pub. Yeah, it's the pub of golf. No standards. I love those types of courses, by the way. They are the best. Those are the best places to go.
Starting point is 02:22:19 For sure. No rules. No expectations. Nope. Exactly. You can go in jorts, no sleeves. You can barter your price to golf there, too. I was going to say, Zeke bought like 10 shirts from the pro shop before we played.
Starting point is 02:22:31 You're fucking haggling with this tiny little golf shop? He gave it to me for like 40 bucks for like five shirts. They're barely surviving. You're just what? You're robbing them of their food, too? I did eat a couple hot dogs. I got a hot dog backer. All right, how about that?
Starting point is 02:22:44 I got three for a buck. You probably haven't eat a couple hot dogs. I eat a hot dog backer. I got three for a buck. You probably haven't made a dollar in years. Let me go ahead and rob you even more.
Starting point is 02:22:52 I grew up as a billionaire. I might come play. All right, nice. We'll figure it out.
Starting point is 02:22:57 I'll go Saturday morning though. Yeah, that's what we're thinking. Before all the games. You guys are
Starting point is 02:23:01 going to get up and go. Like 10 a.m. Be done at noon. By the way, incredible job staying sober everyone was very everyone
Starting point is 02:23:07 my Eric was very proud of you she wanted me to tell you yeah yeah it was a good time I didn't spill more drinks than when I usually am drunk though which was curious
Starting point is 02:23:15 bro how about that guy that came up and shook my hand as soon as I got there I shake his hand and his whole body was locked up so he spilled his beer in his other hand
Starting point is 02:23:21 and he was so hammered drunk and he just expected a beer from me For the rest of the night So I was like Connor Go buy this guy fucking two beers So he'll leave me the fuck alone It was unbelievable This fucking guy
Starting point is 02:23:33 Do you remember this? Oh you shook the shit out of his hand He was shaking like he was on a Some sort of vibrating machine He did it He was all over the place And his beer spilled And I was like oh man i'm so
Starting point is 02:23:45 sorry that happened he was like yeah he was already gone at this point yeah yeah and then you told me you're like all right hey why don't you go get this like go get two beers for us because i thought you guys were gonna you know have a little chug off no i get back the guy's gone i'm like pat i got these two beers you go yeah go give him to that guy so he leaves us the fuck alone sounds good sounds good he was a nice guy, I'm sure. Very intoxicated. And man, some people, I appreciate everybody who comes and says what's up. I enjoy talking to people.
Starting point is 02:24:12 But there's some people that just, they're always the ones, too, that act like they don't know who I am. Right? Oh, I don't even know who you are. I'm sorry. Well, I don't know who the fuck you are either, man. So why are you stopping to talk to me? I'm on my way to the pisser right now. And then they're always the ones that kind of just loom. They're just kind of always looming. are either man so why are you stopping to talk i'm on my way to the pisser right now and then
Starting point is 02:24:25 they're always the ones that kind of just loom they're just kind of always looming they're always looming and it's like yo man what's going on what are we doing take a picture a shot what do you want to do let's have a good time what i'm just here okay it seems like you've just been I'll get out of here I do love meeting people though I enjoy chatting with folks good people good good people a lot of good people out a lot of good people out
Starting point is 02:24:53 thank you everybody for wearing their stuff Zito's putting together a thank you tribute video so if you haven't posted your photos to the internet from St. Patrick's Day
Starting point is 02:24:59 please do it over 200 and something oh yeah it was a lot let's go you guys are awesome so thankful for all of you. Hashtag end game. Hashtag end game.
Starting point is 02:25:10 Send us a picture of you entering the bracket. Good luck, though. I already filled mine out. Here we go. Iowa's beating Cincinnati. Yep. Wow. Kentucky's beating Seton Hall in the second round.
Starting point is 02:25:26 Wow. Houston's beating Ohio State strictly because Dockage's kid coaches at Ohio State and said Houston will beat Ohio State. So if Dockage says that, I'm assuming he knows something. Smart. And then I haven't filled out the rest, but you just know Duke's a winner. I'm betting on Zion unless he has a shoe malfunction. Never know.
Starting point is 02:25:47 UNC looks good. He switched to the Kyrie, so he's good. Did you see Nike flew to China to make this special for him? Yeah. Of course they did. Of course they let everyone know. He's going to get a billion dollars from Nike. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:25:58 One billion dollars. I was wrong about that snowboarding lady. Strictly because her dad chose for me to be wrong you heard about it like what in two years from now whenever the next winner she'll be back on top of the world probably that's when they'll do the big push
Starting point is 02:26:14 because she's older now the dad was like I want her to have a high school which is by the way good parenting Chris Jenner right there is hitting a home run with the opportunity but but creative billionaire. I don't know if that's better than having another year of her childhood. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:26:33 What if she blows a knee in training? She won't, Todd. Todd, come on. Todd. Todd. I'm just saying. Todd. You got to act now.
Starting point is 02:26:40 You can't just hope for the future. I understand where the dad was coming from. So I was wrong about that, her becoming a hundred millionaire overnight. I was wrong about that because she was the biggest story of the Olympics at the time. She's very marketable. She already had a deal. I assumed that would happen. She was on Nike's email the next morning.
Starting point is 02:26:58 I was like, oh, here comes a hundred million dollars. I was wrong about that. But Zion, I think it's going to be a billion. I think it's going to be a one billion dollar deal. you'll hear no arguments from me he's gonna sign too he's probably a lefty probably sign that thing it's probably just a big z right yeah just a big z fucking with a pen just sign that thing for a bit i wanted to ask him because he's seen him in person like is he gonna get better when he loses his baby fat too lebron when lebron got skinnier everybody said he got better yeah he did granted he's not good like he's gonna be able to jump
Starting point is 02:27:29 higher well yeah i assume he'll get better weight right is the thing that determines how high you get like for me if i'm under 220 i can dunk if i'm over 220 i can't right now i'm 27 pounds over that there ain't no shot of me getting a bull down here. You give me a 219, though, I'm yamming on that fucking thing. I would assume Zion loses 20 pounds. He might jump on top of the ring. He might grow an inch or two. It could happen. It does happen.
Starting point is 02:27:56 What if he... 6'10". Jesus. Good for the world getting to watch this kid. And all you ladies trying to sell him out. Oh my God, the disrespect. He's just a single guy, man. He's all you ladies trying to sell him out. Oh, my God. The disrespect. He's just a single guy, man. He's a single superstar trying to live. In college.
Starting point is 02:28:09 He's got a big room. In college. He's got a big bed. He's got a big bed room. But he doesn't have a billion dollars where he can just have these ladies come to his house. He's a college student. Every college student is.
Starting point is 02:28:20 Tell you what, he snaps me, I'm going. That's what I'm saying. Hey, you get your ass out there. I'll be over in a second. And you get that fucking water, Diggs. me, I'm going. That's what I'm saying. Hey, you get your ass out there and you get that fucking water, Diggs. Yeah, I'm going to get that water. Yeah, Diggs will get that water. I don't like that everybody's selling him out, though. He's going to trust nobody for the rest of his life.
Starting point is 02:28:36 She wanted her 10 minutes or whatever. But did she even get it? I don't think anybody even knows who she is. No, yeah. Nope. I don't like that, though. I don't either. I don't like that. Let's don't either. What happens in college? Stays in college. He's liked by everybody, though. What's he supposed to do?
Starting point is 02:28:53 Not what's he supposed to do. Just talk to people in person? He can't text anybody. He can't Snapchat anybody. Can't FaceTime. Can't FaceTime with anybody. So what can he do? Zion can't do anything. You know what he's going to do? Back pages. Robert Kraft. Yep.
Starting point is 02:29:07 That's exactly right. That's why Bob did it. This is what happens. And we're going to judge him for it. We will. Is he the most beloved Duke player in the history of Duke basketball? I think so.
Starting point is 02:29:18 When I said that to Dockage, I meant it. I feel like Duke is a team that everybody hates. On a regular basis. A thousand percent. There was my roommate's wife now she's diehard duke fan coming into college and they were together in college and
Starting point is 02:29:32 man the amount of hate she received just for being a fan of duke was next level and i didn't know anything about really college basketball environments or anything like that but she received hate just for being a fan of the team i'm like man this team's very hateable and then he started watching it's like oh i get it it's just a fan of the team. I'm like, man, this team's very hateable. And then you start watching. It's like, oh, I get it. It's just a bunch of little prick kids. It's not like you get painted, you know what I mean? But they're very good.
Starting point is 02:29:51 Zion, though, complete 180 of them. It's different. If you watch him play, it's hard to hate him. Yeah, because his defensive prowess is so damn good, too. Everything. That's the thing that Dockert likes about him is that he plays defense. He tries. How about Coach Cal saying that he doesn't teach defense until the season starts?
Starting point is 02:30:07 I love that. He said it's hard because they get worn down, worn out whenever they do defense. So he doesn't start it until the season starts. So at the beginning of the year, they're not as good as they are at the end of the year because when their defense gets better, they get more confident on the other end of the court because they're not just getting smoked. So everything starts coming together. That's why Calipari's teams always peak at the right time that's a pretty genius thought
Starting point is 02:30:28 i like i would have never thought about that before but that makes so much that just shows him like being able to change with the times too and that's why he's always his teams have always been win another title i think yeah i think he also just says shit to say shit because he knows it sounds that's a smart idea though but if he didn't do that he would have got he'd get called out by previous players be like, that's a fucking lie. True. That's true. You see him with his jerseys, too?
Starting point is 02:30:48 Oh, yeah. Good flex. So funny. Perfect. I enjoyed that whole conversation where he took a shot at Seth Green a little bit. Greenberg? Greenberg. Took a shot at him.
Starting point is 02:30:58 I like Calipari in that interview. Well, Pittsburgh guy, so. Is he really? He's Italian. Izzo, is Izzo also Italian? Izzo is Italian, yeah. I think so. All these fucking Italians. Patino really? He's Italian? Izzo is also Italian? Izzo is Italian, yeah. I think so. All these fucking Italians.
Starting point is 02:31:08 Patino. Who? Patino. His kid. Yeah, his kid, Minnesota. Oh, that's a matchup too. Miss Louisville. They did that on purpose.
Starting point is 02:31:17 Yeah. Yeah, and they also confused Michigan State and Michigan on purpose. That's tough. Don't know how it happens. You guys do good and somehow get fucked. Lose one of our good players because of it. He's out. I wrote about that.
Starting point is 02:31:33 That was awesome. I'm a big fan of that. I don't want to say I got teary-eyed watching it, but it made me think back to the tightness of my college locker room. It's like, man, that was real. That felt like real. That was a white guy too, right?
Starting point is 02:31:49 Which is, I would say, an anomaly in a lot of basketball situations. For sure. But watching his teammates cry for him, it was like, that was so cool. That was a beautiful moment. And I've said it before. A locker room is this melting pot of humans. beautiful moment and i said it i've said it before a locker room is this melting pot of humans you got kids who are who've been growing up around millionaires their entire life and then you got kids from compton playing in the same space for the same thing going to each other's parties and
Starting point is 02:32:17 hanging out with each other it's a beautiful thing watching a locker room come together man it really is because it's it's something that the world just like kind of i don't want to say divide and conquer is a real thing for a lot of people but it does feel like the world is like that a lot and in a locker room it's just completely different it's completely different it's like we're all in this together let's keep it moving that was a cool thing but i did get sad for your guy very sad he got banged up before he was injured before yeah he was injured like all year and then he had just gotten back, and then, yeah, that happened. So that's why it was a heartbreaking situation.
Starting point is 02:32:48 And you just heard his screams. You could hear that. Yeah, that was bad. Terrible. What was it? Probably a dislocated ankle, or? I don't know, actually. I haven't even seen, but it had to be something like that.
Starting point is 02:32:57 I didn't watch the replay. I don't watch that shit. No, me neither. They played it, though. It's like, come on. They were, come on. They played it like 10 times right after it. Hey, let the fucking internet do that. It was cool, though. It's like, come on. They played it like ten times right after it. Hey, let the fucking internet do that.
Starting point is 02:33:06 It was cool, though. He came back out during the game and was cheering them on and stuff. They kept showing him. I like this team. Hey, I like Izzo, though, man. Oh, yeah. I told Foxy that this morning. Whenever they were getting on a little run and it was defensive time,
Starting point is 02:33:18 he did this huge hammer thing. It was on the sideline, screaming. I was like, oh, this is why everybody loves this guy. I was a big fan of him. His coat's flying everywhere. I told Evan earlier, the reason why Michigan State did get the last two seed was definitely because of Larry.
Starting point is 02:33:34 Oh, because the NCAA was like this. Come on. Look at that. Still coming back to get you. Hey, I said it to Dockage, right? And you're still paying That's cool Big Ten
Starting point is 02:33:46 Hasn't won since 2000 Guess who it was Michigan State Of course Something's gotta give Oh is that why you asked that question Just for him to see Well I just wanted to see if he would know
Starting point is 02:33:57 But yeah I also That's pretty crazy It's been 19 years And Big Ten hasn't won it It's tough It is tough Alright
Starting point is 02:34:04 Show's over. See you guys. Have a good one. Tweet us your brackets. Tweet us that you're in. Something awesome to the winner. Unless, probably, all right, second place two. Because if I win, I want somebody else to win.
Starting point is 02:34:22 You know what I mean? Good point, good point. If Todd wins, I would like somebody else to win. Yeah. Todd just reads that Action Network and knows everything that's going on. I'm probably going to win. I'll be honest. I think if you look at my bracket, it's a done deal.
Starting point is 02:34:35 Todd, I do believe you've become a bit of a gambling aficionado since. You know why? I thought about this. So, cops, you've got to go through so much paperwork and bullshit. You have to read through it all. Just like Florio with much paperwork and bullshit you have to read through it all just like Florio with the lawyers like the lawyers
Starting point is 02:34:48 have to read through stuff you have to read through a bunch of stuff so the action network you just look at it as if you're investigating a crime which is what sports gambling is
Starting point is 02:34:56 and you've just been looking into it all and I feel like you know more than most people do I'm determining who has the most probable cause
Starting point is 02:35:04 to cover their bet. Cover that spread. And yeah, that's a good way to put it. Because I only, hey, if 51%, if I'm 51% convinced, good enough. I'm making the arrest right now. I'll see you in court. I'm a little more sure than I'm not sure.
Starting point is 02:35:22 So, boom. All right. You guys have an incredible day um heartland radio 2.0 tomorrow then we're back on thursday big time guests oh question celebrity guest oh that's right chat with pat yikes yikes okay so a underscore damn underscore mess asks. So I think his name's Adam Messenger maybe. Like Adam Messy or something. You know what I mean? Clever name for him though.
Starting point is 02:35:52 Photo is him wearing a button down open handsome kid. Looks like he's in college. Has a good time. Okay. Why did Ballard spend 10 of 100 million in cap just to stare at the other 90 and sign no one? Dot, dot, dot.
Starting point is 02:36:09 Wow. So I screenshotted that. Sent it to Chris Ballard. I said, guy asked this question for the podcast. Any words of response? Took a little bit. Didn't know if he was going to do that. Hey, that's nice of you, by the way, though.
Starting point is 02:36:22 To do that, you didn't have to reach out to him. Hey, let's go right to the horse's mouth yeah give him a chance right to the horse's mouth the bucking bull's mouth there it is he responds cash not cap is what counts and i said let's go as if it was a flex then we all talked about it we none of us really understood without no idea none of us really knew what that was so then he was. So then he followed up and said, Andrew Luck, Nelson, Leonard, Moore, Costanzo, Ryan Kelly, Smith, Mack, Doyle, Ebron, those are all players you want to see at the Colts for a long time, so you better be planning for them.
Starting point is 02:36:55 Smart. What he's saying is we are building from within. Oh, yeah. We are rewarding our own players. So just because we're not on a spending frenzy in the free agent franticness, we're building a monster for real this time. I don't like that as a Steeler fan. You don't like that it's going to be like a consistent team?
Starting point is 02:37:16 Correct. I don't like that he didn't just go out and blow all the money on someone who's not going to work out. I can understand why you would. Breaking news, though, Chris Ballard plans to re-sign all those guys. I'm pissed he didn't pay Trent Richardson.
Starting point is 02:37:31 Good news. Good news for all those players. I'm sure you're listening, but the Ballard would like to reward you. He likes you. He likes what you're doing. He likes what you're doing. Keep it up. Keep it up, boys. And that was Chat with Pat. New segment. Another new segment we did today was Internet Beef. We got to the bottom of it, didn't we?
Starting point is 02:37:54 Yeah. The Florio Sherman. The next one is Conseco A-Rod. Ty Schmidt is on the horn with Conseco's manager. We are. That could be a six-hour conversation. I want to let you know, I am willing to invest in this one, and Ty knows that. We have a budget.
Starting point is 02:38:10 We'll see if Jose Canseco's people can come down to it. But I would like to hear about his ex-wife having sex with A-Rod, like Jose Canseco's been tweeting a bunch of slanderous stuff about him. I would like to hear it. Is he just snitching because he's finished? Jose Canseco just snitching because he finished. You could hire him to be on your softball team and you could just trap him.
Starting point is 02:38:29 He offered to teach a friend of the show, Tim Tebow, how to hit on his Twitter just about a week ago. He was hitting 500-foot bombs, he said, in his last softball tourney. Put up a couple videos of that. I'd like to see him go against Coach Diggs in a big dog. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:38:46 I don't know. We're trying to get Kinseiko and that'll be another edition of Internet Beef. All right. You guys have a great day. Cheers. Hi, Schmidt. Hit the music. Is this the real
Starting point is 02:39:03 life? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide. No escape from reality. Open your eyes. Look up to the skies and see. Look up to the skies and see I'm just a poor boy I need no sympathy Because I'm easy come, easy go
Starting point is 02:39:36 Little high, little low Any way the wind blows Doesn't really matter to me To me Mama Just killed a man Put a gun against his head Pull pulled my trigger, now he's dead. Mama, life had just begun, but now I've gone and thrown it all away.
Starting point is 02:40:22 Mama. it all away Mama didn't mean to make you cry if I'm not back again this time tomorrow carry on carry on cause if nothing really matters Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters
Starting point is 02:40:46 Too late, my time has come Since shivers down my spine Body's aching all the time Goodbye everybody I've got to go Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth Mama It's the truth Mama I don't wanna die Sometimes wish I'd never been born at all I see a little silhouetto of a man
Starting point is 02:42:10 Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the pandango? Thunderbolts and lightning, very, very frightening me Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Picaro, Picaro I'm just a poor boy and nobody loves me He's just a poor boy from a poor family Sparing his life on this one straw city Easy come, easy go, will you let me go? Bismillah
Starting point is 02:42:39 No, we will not let you go Let him go Bismillah We will not let you go Let him go Bismillah We will not let you go Let me go We will not let you go Let him go Bismillah We will not let you go Let him go Bismillah We will not let you go Let me go
Starting point is 02:42:48 We'll not let you go Let me go You'll never let me go No, no, no, no, no, no, no Oh, Mamma Mia, Mamma Mia Mamma Mia, let me go Beelzebub has the devil put aside for me For me, for me, for me
Starting point is 02:43:08 So you think you can stop me and spit in my eye So you think you can love me and leave me to die Oh baby, can't do this to me baby Just gotta get out, just gotta get right out of here Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah Nothing really matters Anyone can see Nothing really matters
Starting point is 02:44:22 Nothing really matters to me I can't be by the window

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