The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 066 - Draft Week Lies With Mike Florio

Episode Date: April 23, 2019

On today's show, Pat welcomes The Blogfather, owner and voice of Pro Football Talk, and dear friend of the show, Mike Florio, to chat about the upcoming NFL draft. They discuss who can be trusted during draft week and what certain teams' mindsets are going in. They also cover a few new ideas for prospects coming into the NFL to go to the draft and make a little money, Pat asks Florio to get to the bottom of the Gruden/Mayock/scouting debacle in Oakland and whether that is that common, what he's currently hearing about Kyler Murray and if he's still the #1 pick, and whether Mike has heard anything in relation to Pat in the Monday Night Football booth (4:13-23:32). Pat and the boys also discuss their upcoming comedy tour, "Pat McAfee Does America," which will be in six different cities this summer with tickets going on sale next Monday. They also cover Pat's weekend in Nashville and how he got mistaken for Jackson Maine, the boys have a little Hockey Talk as they check in on the NHL playoffs, and a little hoops talk as they all make a bet with Gorman about who will win the NBA championship. The guys also cover Game of Thrones, as Pat is now all the way in and arguably one of the biggest fans of the series. After the show, stick around as Todd goes Behind the Badge and breaks down some of the new breaks in the Delphi murders case in Delphi, IN from two years ago. It's a good one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Calling us now from his house in Morgantown, West Virginia. He's an Italian. He used to be a lawyer until he decided to take over the blogging game. He writes about the NFL

on a daily basis on the internet. Millions and millions of people read it. Everybody knows it's the one-stop shop for any NFL news, rumors, or mishaps. Ladies and gentlemen, the founder, owner, and voice from Pro Football Talk. You see him on NBC Sports both in the morning and on football night in America. Ladies and gentlemen, from WVU, Mike Forio. Yeah!

Woo! Hey, I am ready to ram my face repeatedly in someone's fist right now. You've gotten me all lathered up. That's good. Let's go. Let's do it. This is a huge week for you, Mike Florio. It's draft week. I got a lot of questions for you about smoke screens and a bunch of lies that are being told by teams

and who's going to go where, and I think you're the only guy that can tell us those facts. Well, look, I don't know who's going where. I know that this year more than ever. It really is quiet from the standpoint of trying to figure out exactly what's going to happen. But, Pat, I agree with you. There's a lot of lies that are told every year because this is the ultimate game of chess, checkers, and chicken

where you have teams that have so much strategically riding on the outcome of the draft. And if anyone gets an inkling as to what any team is going to do, then you have to worry about getting a leapfrog and losing the guy that you covet to someone else. So there's a real incentive to lie. There's a real incentive to misdirect. And there's no incentive to tell the

truth how do you kind of wave through all that stuff how do you wait sorry how do you get through all the lies so you don't misinform the millions and millions of people that read pro football talk do you have like a lie detector a sense of who's bullshitting who's notoriously a liar during draft weeks like how do you know i know who to trust after doing this for 18 years. And I know the people who have the best incentive to know how the draft board is going to fall together. And also to know that those are people who based upon repeated year after year after year of talking to them, working with them. They have proven their worth.

And let me tell you the best people to talk to if you can develop the relationships. And I can't give the names, obviously, but there are certain agents who understand the critical importance of being able to say to their clients exactly where they're going to be drafted, most importantly, where their floor is. Because you need to gauge your expectations of your clients very well, you're going to get fired. Remember, Geno Smith fired his agents not long after he fell out of round one of the drafts several years ago because everybody thought he was going to be a first-round pick, including his own agents, meaning his agents weren't properly dialed into the fact that he was going to plunge. You need to have agents, and I try to talk to the

ones who I know, have a very good understanding based on their own relationships where they're getting to the truth. I just rely on them because it's impossible to have the right relationships across the league to get to that sense of where a guy's floor may be. So those are the people I trust the most. Everybody else I don't trust. I don't trust anyone from any teams because they all have a clear interest in manipulating the board to their advantage. Even if they're talking to you about a player at a position that they don't need, they would love to see players at positions they don't need get drafted earlier than they should because then that pushes players down the board that they do need.

So you have to be very selective about who you listen to. And I've learned over time not to let myself get burned. I'll traffic in fact, I'll traffic in my opinion, but I'm not going to traffic in draft rumors about who's rising and falling unless they come from somebody that I trust. Great verbiage there. I'll traffic in this, I'll traffic in that. The fact that you said you trust agents more than anybody else is a wild statement that I never thought an educated human would say, but it makes sense. Going back into your past for covering this game for so long, is there a moment that you remember just getting completely duped by an NFL team? Probably, but my approach is just move on. I mean, everybody's going to screw up from time to time. You're going to make a mistake.

You're going to get burned. I'd have to really sit and think about it. I'd have to think what I can say without burning a source, even if a source has burned me. But it happens. It happens, right? People will spread bullshit, and they hope that you fall for it. And they justify it by saying, hey, anything necessary to help get the guy that we want available when we pick. But I'd like to think it's been so long ago, I can't remember the specifics.

I'd like to think at least 10 to 12 years ago, I figured out the game, and I knew to not listen to a lot of crap, because I realized that there is a very strong incentive. You know, the rule of thumb is this. For a team that loves a guy, they have a very strong incentive to spread lies about him so he falls down the board and they can draft him. For a team that hates a guy, they will say great things about him because they want some other sucker to draft him and push down the board a guy they actually want.

And once you accept that, you get to the point where you don't believe anything except when it comes from the people, like I said, who have the greatest incentive to be right, because they have to say to that kid, hey, you're going between five and 15, or you're going between 10 and 35. And if they're wrong, they're going to end up not having that client for very long. Let's hop in a time machine. Just about a month ago, Kyler Murray was a lock to go number one. Now everybody's saying there's really no shot of it happening and they're going to go another direction. Is that all bullshit or are you getting the feeling that that's not going to happen and he's going to end up back in baseball? Here's the thing to watch. Here's

the thing to watch. He's committed to going to the draft. And if he cancels his plan to go to the draft at any point this week, that means he's not going number one overall because his agent, Eric Burkhart, represents Cliff Kingsbury, the coach of the Arizona Cardinals. And look what Burkhart did to get Kingsbury out of USC. He was locked in as offensive coordinator. Burkhart negotiated a $150,000 buyout so Kingsbury could get out if another opportunity emerged.

It happened. He got out, and Kingsbury's now at Arizona. So at a minimum, I'm not saying they're going to draft Murray as a favor to Burkhart, but at a minimum, Kingsbury owes it to Burkhart to tell him what they're going to do. And Burkhart's going to know. Assuming Kingsbury knows, I'd like to think the head coach is going to know. If Kingsbury knows, which I don't think is a reach, then Burkhart knows, then Murray knows. And if at some point

between now and Thursday, we find out that Murray's not going to the draft, that is the sign that he's not going to be the first overall pick. But if he goes to the draft, I think he's the first overall pick. And if he's not, then there's going to be one hell of a mess, and it could be new agent for Kyler Murray by next week.

I respect that. You just said you would hope that Cliff Kingsbury would know what they're going to be one hell of a mess and it could be new agent for Kyler Murray by next week. I respect that. You just said you would hope that Cliff Kingsbury would know what they're going to do. It is on record that the Browns refused to tell Hugh Jackson who they were going to pick because Hugh Jackson would leak it. Now in Oakland, there's stories coming out that they're sending everybody home. Don't want to hear from anybody until all the scouts are sent home. Everybody's out of the room. John Gruden said that McShay, no, Mayock better not fuck it up. I mean, is there a little bit of tension already in Oakland? They got three first-round picks. There's no way they can mess this up.

And sending the scouts home and getting everybody out of the building, is that more normal than social media was leading us on? I think it's very abnormal. I think it's normal to have concerns about your scouts and about whether or not you can trust them. But I think there's a way to manage your scouts so they don't know anything that they can use to compromise you. Look at New England. You think any of the area scouts know what Bill Belichick's ever going to do? No, he has no reason to tell them. Why? Because it's not their job. Their job is to gather information. Their job

isn't to make the draft board, and that's where that value of that do-your-job top-down design that New England uses is so great. There's no reason to tell the guys. So there's no reason not to trust them. They can be trusted with things that fall within the boundaries of their work responsibilities. And if you do that, you never get yourself into a mess like this. So what are the Raiders doing that their area scouts can't be trusted? What are they being trusted with that they would be in a position to blab to anyone? And if you don't trust these guys just to operate within the confines of your office, why the hell were they working for you in the first place?

I mean, it's astounding to me. Now, my theory is this. The John Gruden, in hindsight, should have fired Reggie McKenzie the moment he took over last year. But I think Gruden wanted to keep McKenzie around so he could blame somebody if it all went to shit last year, as it did. And he could blame McKenzie for Khalil Mack. He could blame McKenzie for this, McKenzie around so he could blame somebody if it all went to shit last year as it did. And he could blame McKenzie for Khalil Mack. He could blame McKenzie for this, McKenzie for that.

And now he's going to try to blame Mike Mayock for anything that goes wrong. The bottom line, though, is Gruden's running the show, and there should be a way to keep those folks around. Let me just think about it. If you're sitting in the draft room on the first night of the draft, and they've got a question. If Mike Mayock's got a question about some obscure fact that an area scout who did the workup on the guy would know.

He's not going to be there to give the answer. I mean, that's how you are hamstringing yourself, all because of this paranoia that is being fueled by the desire to take those three first-round picks and get the most out of them because they need to make people forget about Khalil Mack. They need to convince people they did the right thing by trading Mack and by taking the first-round picks and get the most out of them because they need to make people forget about Khalil Mack. They need to convince people they did the right thing by trading Mack and by taking the first-round picks. And that's where I think it's all that pressure and that urgency that has fueled this extreme

reaction that has Gruden freaking out and Mayock just going along with it because I guarantee you this was Gruden's decision, not Mayock. If you're a Raiders fan, you watch your two best players get traded out of town. You watch your team not have a home for a while. They're going to Vegas. We'll give a head coach $100 million, then they can't win a goddamn game. I mean, if you're a Raiders fan, you've got to be about fed up,

excited to see what happens on Thursday night, though, for the Raiders and Friday night. Speaking of Friday night, I will be announcing the Colts' third-round draft pick. What would you recommend to me to make sure it is a flawless, beautiful execution while I'm up there on the microphone announcing the pick? I want you to do what you just did when I started. I want you to do that.

The exact same thing. With me. Not for a screw pick. Do what you just did for me. I will send you a very large check of an amount to be determined later if you do that from the stage on Friday night. I'm very excited about it, man. I think the draft is a time where dreams come true,

where memories can either be great or terrible. Who's somebody you think that is going to have a better draft than what people were expecting and somebody who's going to have a worse? could be a team or a player in themselves hang on a second i want to go back to what you're doing friday night because i'm just putting the the connections together you're going to nashville where the titans play you're identified with the colts remember what drew pearson did two years ago and david eagles fan yeah man this is this is your chance this is your chance to convince vince mcm McMahon that you're ready to make that turn for a deal.

And you go down there and you start talking shit on all those sites. Just take all the West Virginia jokes you've ever heard and just twist them and turn them to Nashville. Same idea. You know, about bare feet and lack of teeth and all that stuff. Same idea. You know, I'm just kidding, people in Nashville. We love you.

But this is a great opportunity if you go down there and get those people all riled up, and it'll be the event of the weekend, and I guarantee you we'll play it on Monday on PFT Live if you do it. Florio, when I say this, I mean it. We have a very large demo in Nashville. I was just there this past weekend. A lot of people said hello.

They were very nice. But know that I'm going to own that moment, and it's going to be a beautiful one. I'm already prepared for it. Speaking of owning a moment, what are you hearing on Monday Night Football? Any SEAL team boomstick talk going on Monday night football? Well, yeah, Peyton Manning said, you know, Peyton Manning doesn't want to do it as long as Eli's still playing.

And the Giants somehow got two Monday Night Football games this year, even though the prospects of that team aren't very good. So I think Peyton's eventually going to do it. Here's the thing, Pat, would you want to do it for like a year and then get bumped by Peyton Manning? Is that worth it? Florio, they wouldn't bump me. As soon as I get in there one time, they're going to sign me to a 10-year deal. You and I both know that.

As soon as I get on there, it's a 10-year deal coming immediately. They wouldn't be able to bump me, Mike. They wouldn't be able to do it. Would you do it for free? to bump me, Mike. They wouldn't be able to do it. Would you do it for free? No, if I could own my own podcast and own my own company, I would utilize it as a commercial every Monday

night and make Monday Night Football a must-see TV operation again, for sure. Now, think about that. They're paying Bob Iger $65 million a year now, so they could probably use to save a little cash. That's what I'm saying. Half of that, I'll do it. If they get that analyst for $0 and 0 cents, then that may be very attractive, because i guarantee you payton manning and doing anything

for free they said they were going to give him uh i don't know if they said that to me or i heard it on the internet i might have been tony romo but i guess they were just going to go with the brink truck and ask payton whatever he wanted to get that gig he turned that down i wonder how that whole thing's going but yeah man as long as i can own my own stuff you get me on a microphone on every single Monday night Monday night McAfee I mean I'll be able to do whatever you need to do my brother the amount of merch we'd sell would be absurd be absurd Mr. Florio how are you doing I think Romo's getting 10 million a year in his next deal assuming it's for CBS I can't imagine him becoming a free agent going elsewhere but yeah I think 10 million is going to become the number and whatever eventually gets, when Peyton Manning gets in at some point,

and I think he will, he's going to make more than that. I can't believe I'm going to make $10 million next year. Florio, do you watch those videos that Chris Sims puts on the Internet, or you just repost them because you kind of feel bad and you have to? I guess it's the middle ground. I don't watch them. I don't feel bad and I have to. I post them so I can pay, right? I guess it's a middle ground. I don't watch that. I feel bad to have to.

I post it so I get paid. There's a capitalist financial incentive to post those videos because that pre-roll is worth some money, brother. So, you know, I pass them along when it looks like it dovetails with a topic that I write about in the post below. And if people watch it, that's fine with me. I respect that. Why? Is there a reason I shouldn't be? Do you know something I don't? No, that last one about where you hold the ball at was kind of tough to watch, but you posted it and I watched it.

I mean, it was what we got to do. The Internet's a funny place. Are you going to be live in Nashville, or are you going from home? I am going to stay home. I have been to the draft, and I've worked it from home, and I'm so much more efficient from home. I can keep track on everything that's happening, distill the information, make any calls that need to be made.

It's just so much better and so much easier to do it from home. I'll go down to the bar, and I'll put on the TV screens. I'll open up the laptop and just start cranking away, and we'll just crank all night long, keeping up with everything that's happening because people are interested in knowing what's going on. If you were a prospect, why in a million years would you go to the draft? I've wondered this every single year.

There's always a situation that has drama in the back. I have no idea why anybody would choose to go. I honestly don't fully understand. Maybe you can help me understand it a little bit more. I wasn't a potential first-round draft pick, so I never had to be in that situation. But I don't know why anybody would ever go to the draft unless it was a lock.

You were going to be picked where you were supposed to be. Well, yeah, that's right. Unless I know for damn certain that I'm going in the spot that I'm going to be happy with, that I'm going to be proud of, that I'm not going to get embarrassed, that I'm not going to get hoodwinked, that I'm not going to sit there with my Thai cock out and my hair all messed up like Brady Quinn 10 years ago, then I'm not going anywhere near there.

And here's the other thing, too, and this gets back to the whole concept of being fully in favor of capitalism, people get paid for their time, their services, and their value. I don't like the idea that these kids don't get appearance fees. They're the stars of this ultimate reality show that the NFL puts on, and they convince these guys it's a fair deal to get your plane ticket, to get your lodging, to bring

a few family members. I want money. I want 50 grand. I want 100 grand. I'm done working for free. I say that about the scouting combine. You want me to show up and work out, run around in spandex? Pay me. You want me to show up for a pro day workout that you're going to put on NFL Network? Pay me. You want me toandex, pay me. You want me to show up for a pro day workout that you're going to put on NFL Network?

Fuck, pay me. You want me to show up? Exactly. Good fellas. You want me to show up for the draft? Pay me. I'm done doing shit for free. I think that's the attitude these kids should have,

and I can't wait until there's a prospect that has the balls to do it. Because the thing is, and I'm not saying that you don't have balls if you don't. You have to have the biggest set imaginable to put your middle finger in the face of the NFL machine. But I think somebody should. Because these kids get exploited in college

and then they get exploited for that full four months before the draft because everybody says oh, it's a job interview. Bullshit, it's a job interview. They're making a ton of money off of this job interview and the kids should get some of it too. Hey, preach, Mike Flor too hey preach my florio hey take them to church italian man take them to church all right and and and and unless they have their own podcast the first they can tell then they should do it for free that's the only exception yeah well you utilize that as a as a

commercial like for instance the video the announcement of that Friday, I'm going to put an over-under at 500,000 views over the weekend. I'm going to hammer the over because I know what I'm going to say. I think it's going to be flipped beautifully into some merch for us to sell. It's going to be an incredible thing. And, by the way, it's an honor to be a part of the NFL draft. I think it's going to be really cool to be a part of that whole thing. but it's going to do well. You just got to use it as a commercial to flip your own business. And these young kids are scared to do that because you've got a lot of people

saying, well, don't do business because then it looks like you're not focusing fully on football, which can be this, this, and this. If anybody's going to put their finger up to the NFL to do their own thing, Joe Thomas did it back in the day. He was one of the only guys that went on a boat, went fishing. You have to be very, very, very good to do that. I'll be excited to see if anybody can do it because just a little bit of time on TV is good shine for the Instagram flex, Mike. You got to remember that. Hey, and take it next level then. Show up on that red carpet with the logo of your top sponsor all over. Be like a NASCAR jumpsuit, man. With every one of your sponsors plastered on there, including offshore gambling and anything that's going to give the NFL chest pain. Every company that doesn't do business with the NFL, no Gatorade, only vitamin water, no Pepsi, only Coke.

And say, hey, man, you want me on here? You got to let me wear what I want to wear. I'm not subject to your rules yet. You can't fine me for this. But again, nobody wants to do it. And I understand because if you poke the bear too hard, the bear pokes your back. But there's got to be a kid out there who's sufficiently confident in his talent. And he says, fine, if you don't like the fact that I showed up in a NASCAR jumpsuit with all these sponsorship decals on it, don't draft because somebody else in your division will. Think about Goodell refusing to dap up a guy that comes

walking out there. That'd be beautiful. Ladies and gentlemen, he's on top of everything. Good friend of mine. Good friend of the world. Ladies and gentlemen, Pro Football Talk. Read it if you haven't. Or if you don't read, just know that they're dropping all the good news. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Florio. Thank you, buddy.

Thank you, Mike. Was in Nashville this weekend. and Mike Florio. Thank you, buddy. Thank you, Mike. All right, see you, buddy. See you. Was in Nashville this weekend. Oh, yeah. Absolutely love that place. And I mean that. That place is... Great. I don't understand the people

that go out there and don't dress like a complete cowboy. I don't understand. I mean, I was looking around and I felt like I might have been... Me and Sam might have been the only ones. But I went right into one of them boot scooting boogie stores.

I said, excuse me, Bradley Cooper, Jackson, Maine, need the hat. They took me up to the fucking third floor, walked me all the way up to the top. They said, here you go, sir. They didn't have the right size. They had to go to the back. They have all these boxes stacked up. I got a 7 and 5 eighths head. I got a big head.

Put that thing on there. Even got one of them button down things. What are those called? Button downs? Thanks. There's nope. It's like buttons. It's like actual buttons.

Like a bow tie? Not a bolo tie? Bolo? Not a bolo. No, bolo would be across the thing. We're talking about buttons. Like actual studs? Yep, but there's like an actual name for those things there. We're talking about the ones that snap apart? Snap. Pearl snap shirt. Got a pearl snap shirt. There snap apart. Snap. The pearl snap ones. Pearl snap shirt.

Got a pearl snap shirt. There we go. Had an American flag belt buckle. That's a big buckle. That's a dinner plate buckle. I'm going to say you played 300 for that buckle. Not certain. Bought that thing about six years ago whenever we played against the Dallas Cowboys down there in Dallas. A lot of people ask me if I earned that belt buckle by riding a bull.

Eight seconds. I told them no, but god damn it, I think I would try. I had a good time. Sam had a a hat on she bought a hat down there bought one of the another pearl snap thingy uh she had a belt buckle as well down there we're down there for one of her friends birthdays and i i love i love nashville the vibe the vibe down there is awesome it's impossible to go there and not buy a hat trust me been there same thing same thing you got the taylor the wand hat i got the jackson main hat basically the same thing yes um it was beautiful though we went to this place called cane prime that is the reaction you should have this was one of the most yuppie places i've ever walked to in my entire life as soon as i walked in after buying the jackson main hat they said uh

gentlemen have to remove their hats i almost said I identify as a lady almost almost but I didn't took the hat off because we're in the south my lady kept her hat on obviously a little bit of a sexist operation it's either here or there walk through the lounge in the back there's a guy wearing a beat-up baseball hat okay I'm holding my Jackson main hat I ain't no snitch i ain't no snitch i'm gonna be like well why can i get in here and i can't i but i asked every person in there that worked there i was like am i allowed to put my hat on they said absolutely not i said what if i had like a baseball hat and they're like absolutely not gentlemen are allowed to wear the hat and i wasn't gonna say well what the fuck is that guy but i didn't i didn't do that i just kept my hat off and i ordered

a wagyu yeah oh yeah a wagyu filet yep i don't know what that is no idea japanese beef yes oh yeah it's a real expensive cut so i dm kirk herb street who lives in nashville i said hey kirk i'm going to cane in nashville what should i order he said you get the wagyu filet and then you get every side imaginable and then he said good luck or something like that he said you're going to love it that Wagyu filet which I'm not sure what it means there's a Y in there too a silent Y it's Wagyu

almost I believe you could cut this filet with your fork it was the best tasting steak I've ever had in my entire life they had this cotton candy bacon it was the greatest bacon in the South. Tastes like a big booty holding me in. I didn't love that.

It's a hot seller, though, Pat. Oh, yeah. Oh, believe me. They put it on us. I mean, it was like, you got to buy this cotton candy bacon. It's the greatest bacon in town. Bah, bah, bah. We won the best bacon in the South years and years.

For me, the bacon's got to be crispy, and it's got to be salty. It's kind of a sweet bacon they have, so I didn't love it. But that steak was the greatest steak I've ever had in my entire life it was unbelievable way out put the fucking hat on walked out oh yeah what do you do kick me out i don't think so hey by the way i'm leaving you fire me i quit so i put the hat on walk out then we go straight down there to broadway yep okay stop by a little place called Tootsie's. Don't know if you ever heard of it. There you go.

The hospitality from the Tootsie's people were next level. That is three levels of a bar that is packed to the gills. I'm talking people on top of people. There's four different bands playing live music, playing all the heaters, by the way. The one band that we were watching even played m&m i mean you only get one shot with the guitar in the back i mean the guy hit the entire thing it was incredible they put us up in a vip thing because i got a small bladder we don't know i wasn't drinking i don't do the vitamins anymore because i'm not a drug addict like you guys in this room by the way drug test tomorrow. Everybody in this office will be getting drug tested.

Nice. Hey, Pat, I'm clean. I'm going to pass. Gorman. We are ready. Gorman, there's going to be a couple people that pass here. If you fail, you will be fined. We do not operate in the drug addict world.

Let's go. I'm clean. Just like everybody would know that. The pub needs your help. The pub needs your help. Send clean posts. I'm joking. I did think about drug testing everybody now that I don't do the vitamins.

I thought about, oh, I should definitely drug test everybody. Random drug test would be a curveball. Well, Jimmy's Seafood tweeted out, shout out to all our employees that called off for April 20th or whatever. Can't wait for you all to be drug tested tomorrow. And I was like, oh, genius idea. I should be drug testing all of my people as well. Just to make sure we got a clean operation here.

Because now that the boss is, you know, I've been off the vitamins here for about a week. Correct, basically two years. And then attitude reflect leadership. Exactly. Hey, 100% right. But I was just housing waters. So I was just chugging waters.

I order water, tall glass, lime and lemon on the side please There you go Okay so everybody thinks I got a vodka water, vodka Sprite Chugging them in public Everybody's like oh look at that fucking alcohol Take it down But I had to go pee as soon as we walked into Tootsie's Nick told me that we had a friend in Tootsie's if I needed

I sent him a message He did not answer, he was doing something So I go to pee and I ask one of the bouncers I got my Jackson Maine hat on i got my pearl snaps on i mean i got boots on snakeskin no big deal i didn't kill it but it died somewhere and i'm going i'm like where's the bathroom at and they go who are you and i was like uh jackson main that's a joke you know like very much as a joke he goes you're pat mcafee i go yeah man yeah yeah that was very interesting he was like holy shit i'll take you to the bathroom right now i was like

hey very nice you he turns on his flashlight into like a uh pulsating light yeah the seizure light bro he starts putting his forearm because to get through that place it's like a concert it's the vegas experience it's exactly more bounce in new york He starts pounding people just out of the way, right? So people are giving me an essay. I'm like, oh, a guy just shit his pants. I'm telling people like, oh, a guy just shit his pants. A guy just shit his pants. We bounce all the way through.

We go to the bathroom. Such a gentleman. It was the nicest thing that anybody could have done for me because I am a peer. And it was a long way. And then as soon as I get out of the bathroom, he's waiting. I'm like, he's like, you with anybody? I'm like, no, just came alone. I was like, yeah, yeah.

He was like, how big is your group? I'm like, I think there's like six of us, seven of us. He was like, oh, cool. I'll take you guys to VIP. I'm like, sounds good. So now we got to go back to the group. Same situation, pulsating flashlight, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, knocking people down.

Oh, somebody shit his pants. Somebody shit his pants. We get to the group, and I go to Sam. I'm like, I think we're going to VIP right now. And she's like, why? I'm like, well, I tried to take a piss, and the guy thought I was Jackson'm like i think we're going to vip right now and she's like why i'm like well i tried to take a piss and the guy thought i was jackson main and now she's like you're such a fucking asshole i'm like you got it he goes he takes us all the way up to the top level

we got this section right behind the band place is packed outside up top uh no on the roof or no no the opposite end closed then but a lot of windows so let's not get crazy here we go somebody was smoking outside by the way they should have been drug tested outside a little bit worried about them doing drugs out there but we sat back there for the for a couple hours watched this band just crushing i think the guy's name was taylor hayes or tyler hayes he was he was a short little fella i mean he was a small little guy but he had a beard he's the one did the eminem song and i couldn't be more thankful for the people at tootsie's taking care of us. I mean, I had waters coming to me at a different level. Sam and her friends were taking shots at tequila.

It was just getting brought up. It was an all-class, all-world experience there. And I'll tell you, I've been to Nashville a few times now. One was with the Kings of Leon. Ooh, hilarious. We had a good time. We do. We shut her down.

But Nashville is a cool place. I absolutely love that place. Now, that alleyway behind Tootsie's, fun fact about that, back in the day, I'm talking 50s, 60s, even 40s, the Ryman Theater right next to it, they would come offstage, walk right back into the alley, and walk into the private door into Tootsie's and back, right offstage to their drinks.

So that's where I want to ask for the bathroom, was that back door right there, and that was where the guy goes, who are you? Jackson made the whole thing. He walks me all the way to the other side and all the way to the top i love nashville man i had an absolute blast got home for easter sam woke me up a little cockadoodle do it about 8 a.m because uh she missed valerie our dog that was at the house so we had to drive four and a half hours back at 8 a.m uh after boot scooting and boogie all fucking night it was a blast ladies and gentlemen,

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There was some second thoughts this weekend. Well, whenever you said contemporary on the last ad read, I was in the car with her while she was hearing it for the first time. It was a little bit of a reaction, but we got nothing but time. Well, I have problems with long C words. Go on. That's literally my problem. Any other ones? Consciousness. Comprehension.

Contemporary. Contentious. Confusing. Caterpillar. I can do that one. Contemporaneous. What was that one? Contemporaneous. Conjunction. Contemporous. That was the word I was supposed to get out of that one. Contemporaneous. What was that one? Contemporaneous. Fuck. Conjunction. Contemporaneous. That was the word I was supposed to get into.

Does anyone else feel uncomfortable when Zito reads? Yes. Like inside, I cringe. Well, it's just like everybody loves that scene from Billy Madison where he goes, today? Yes. I get tacked, which means I feel uncomfortable for other people when they're in bad situations. I really do.

I don't like watching people bust their faces on the internet because I feel bad for them. I don't like people doing... Nick lives for that stuff so it kind of freaks me out that he feels bad for you. It must be a whole other level. But for me, Zito, I thought you did great. Thank you. Not as great as the Action Network app, but you did great. That means a lot.

We got nothing but time. By the way, you're at the top of the mountain right now. That fall down can be very quick once you start stumbling on some words. Just got to roll out. Let's get back to the conversation. It was great to get back home. I hope everybody else had an incredible weekend. What did you guys get into? Anything, Foxy? I saw you went back to Michigan.

Yes, sir. Got to see the family, friends, played a little golf, typical stuff. How was your golf game? You know what? I ripped an 86, 40 on the front, 46 on the back. I kind of fell apart. You got all tuckered out. Well? You know what? I ripped an 86, 40 on the front, 46 on the back. I kind of fell apart. You got all tuckered out. Well, you know what happened was like, you know, it's my first round of the year because

the other course, that doesn't count. True. That was a putt-putt course for adults. And so I'm just being an athlete and just swinging away and I'm doing well. And then you start thinking about stuff. You got a little tuckered out because I didn't eat any food. And then I shot the 46. So it was tough.

Got you. The pub, did all of the pub go home for you, sir, to celebrate Jesus coming out of the cave? I'm back, bitch! No, not me. I stayed back at the pub solo. Was that because you wanted to or because your family forced you to not come home? I actually, no, I did not get invited home this year, surprisingly.

But, no, me and Ty had a nice smoky Saturday. I mean, there's still a cloud up there. We'll find out how you guys do. Everybody's eat. You went back to Chicago. Yeah, I went back to Chicago. Easter Sunday, went to a family party. Everyone had allegedly shirts on. So that was pretty interesting.

With the RV? Yeah, so that was the first time. Seriously? That was the most shocking ever. They watched the video like maybe 100 times. Well, by the way, I don't think they're the only ones. Numerous people in Nashville stopped me to say hello very thankful for all them there's a guy named steven that was working at one particular bar he loved the video told zito he's on your he's zito's side a lot of people have said that which makes me think like a lot of people

listen to show are fucking idiots you hit i watched that video once again this weekend to show one of Sam's friends how it all went down. How fast that tree goes by in the background. That is the issue. That was not edited. That was CGI. Film magic. You think we got enough money to put CGI down? A lot of money went to this project,

and I think that CGI... A lot of people told Foxy that they thought we rigged that whole thing. All my friends thought we rigged it. I'm like, you guys don't understand. We are at WrestleMania. We are not going to set this up at WrestleMania. It's classic. Ty, you hung out with Conor all weekend?

Jesus didn't die for that. No, he didn't. Thank God. It was a pretty laid back weekend. Honestly, at this point, I just wait for Sunday nights at 9. I'm just biding my time to get through the weekend. Okay, let's get to it. Not billions.

Not billions. I'm a big throner now. Huge. Got a quick 300 retweets. No big deal. Saying I was excited for the thrones. Just a little inside scoop, inside information for those listeners. Not everybody needs to know this.

I have watched zero minutes of Game of Thrones. But boy, what a beautiful pander to the internet. Just saying how happy I was for it. I got a lot of people to come after me. Then Nick, obviously, was one of them. What'd you say, Nick? Your exact words were? Please don't ruin this like you did the Pittsburgh Penguins playoff run.

I'm thanking you. So I double down to Nick's tweet, knowing that I'm not going to watch it. I watched a couple other things, by the way. Black Klansman I watched. Great movie. Good movie. I think the Jewish fellas should get a little bit more credit in the title. I think it should have been Jewish and Black Klansman.

I think that is something. It also had the same exact soundtrack as Inside Man. That's all I could really think of, but incredible story. I very much enjoyed that story. I love whenever dumb people get painted out to be dumb people. That's exactly what the clan is. So I was a big fan. Also watched Passion of the Christ.

Really? Nice little tag team. Did you go find that or it was on? I sought it out. I sought it out. Just strictly it was Easter. I was feeling it a little bit. You know, I wanted to know the deal.

First time? First time ever watching it. Oh, boy. Mel Gibson did a great job. They caption English language, but it's not the exact caption. So it would be like they would say something, and then the caption would be different, but you get it type thing. That was kind of a little bit interesting to me early.

Also, old cousin Judas dropping the bag of 30 whatever coins it was to sell out Jesus. I think that he should get made fun of more for that, for just dropping the fucking bag of cash immediately. And also, Jesus didn't look that good. I think Jesus should have looked a little better. Maybe make him look a little better. I fell asleep 10 minutes in. I think Jesus should have looked a little better. Maybe make him look a little better. I fell asleep 10 minutes in.

I think I know what happened. It happened. He comes back. We did it. Easter Bunny comes. Boom, boom, boom. That's a tough movie, though. Every church is showing that movie.

I remember when I was in eighth grade, they rented out the movie theater for us to go see it. And oh, my God, the backlash from parents. They're just horrified afterwards. Everyone was fucking going and seeing that when it first came out like if you went to catholic school or anything like that i don't think it really told the story that well well and then there was also all the stuff with like mel gibson you know taking a lot of liberties when he was making it he obviously had all the comments about you know jewish people and stuff like that oh yeah

the uh the jewish folks he does not. No, he's not a huge fan. But he made a movie about their most famous guy. Which is very interesting. Did the Italians get a bad rap in that movie or no? I don't think so. Not that much. Can't be that accurate, I guess. You need to differentiate Italians and Romans. Romans were made up of many people. A lot of Gauls

too. The Germans were in there. Who? The Gauls. Stephen? Germany's responsible for everything terrible. He's a seagull. Hilarious. Stephen Gaul. Pontius Pilate wasn't a great guy. Pontius? Which guy was he? Pontius Pilate.

He came out on the orders. With the big sword. He was the general of the army. He was the Italian guy? He sentenced him. Yes. Got it. Anyways, I woke up. There was a lot of yelling. I fell asleep.

I woke up. There was a lot of yelling. Turned the TV off. I was like, you know what? Jesus died enough. I don't need to see it again. But I missed the Game of Thrones episode that I projected to be the best Game of Thrones one yet. And I put that lock out there on the internet.

A lot of mixed reactions. So I'll let you nerds go ahead and describe the scene. I guess Arya got pounded. That's all I know. Cherry's pop. I think she did the pounding. Yeah, she did. Made him fall asleep.

Take those pants off, sir. But the internet, it seems as if that's the only thing that happened in the entire episode. You're correct. You're correct. Yeah, that's all that happened. That's why I was so upset last week. That is literally all that happened. Yeah.

Very slow episode. More dialogue. So it was a bad episode, you're saying? No. Hold on, Todd. I was told that the curse continues. A lot of people tweeted me telling me I'm like the Drake Jersey because that Game of Thrones episode was the worst of all time, people said.

Simpletons. Yeah. I'm going to say it from somebody who's not a fanatic about it, but I have seen every season. It was slow. I agree with Todd. And it was back-to-back slow episodes, which I'll give you one. But you're going to back-to-back me on it? Like you're just sitting around for another full fucking day,

sipping wine, waiting for the battle to happen? I mean, we took two years to film this. You're going back-to-back. I mean, everybody knows I've seen every single episode, every single minute, from Ed Sheeran all the way to that first dragon that popped up. And I just can't believe they did what they did there. Ty, you want to take that?

Ty, you want to take this? Well, no, it's what I said earlier. I mean, it's a fucking TV show. It's not a movie, all right? There are 60-some-plus episodes. 69. 69 was, yeah, the one on Sunday. To be exact.

You're going to have set-up episodes like that. And if you can't deal with that, go fucking fast-forward to the Braveheart battle scene and just watch that on loop for the rest of your life. Sunday night was so good because they gave you time with every single major character that is still alive that's been in the show pretty much. Red Sheeran?

No, he's not a major character. He's a piece of shit. Right before next episode is just going to be a fucking bloodbath. So they gave you everything you wanted to see before all hell breaks loose. What's up, man? Let's go back. Back it up, B. The Ed Sheeran slander will not live on this show.

He's still alive. The club isn't the best place to find love. It's at the bar where I go. Don't be taking shots at redheaded Ed Sheeran. Anytime Ed Sheeran, at one point, whenever that song was out, if you threw it on the jukebox, the women in the bar were very happy.

That's what I'm saying. Great song. I love Ed Sheeran as a singer, just not in Game of Thrones. Oh, so he was bad in Game of Thrones? Has he done anything other than sit around and fire that one time with the thing? He belongs in Lord of the Rings, not Game of Thrones. Oh, wow. Okay, I Game of Thrones? Has he done anything other than sit around and fire that one time with the thing? No. He belongs in Lord of the Rings, not Game of Thrones. True.

Oh, wow. Okay, I like it. I second that. Nick, you're a super nerd. How did you feel about Game of Thrones? I thought it was, again, I thought it was alright. A lot of people loved it because they liked the character arcs. So is the curse reversed? Yeah, it definitely wasn't bad. The hardcore people liked it. I don't know. I was 50-50

last week, and the reason I thought this was a good episode was strictly because I went into this episode knowing, hey, there's going to be no violence. You're not going to get any killing. All you're going to get is more reunion. Yeah, because that's what I was so upset with last week. How would I know that? Well, see, and this is just a veteran move, but before the show started, it always tells you what's in it.

Violence wasn't included in this one. Oh, shit. You you what's in it. Violence wasn't included in this one. So you knew. You knew. This show, from the beginning, has always saved the big stuff towards the end of the season. You've got to know that going in, Todd. Can you give me one little scene? One little skirmish between friends or something?

A serious no-pants battle. Who's Arya, by the way? She's the youngest Stark. And then also, somebody found out that they were sisters and brothers. I guess somebody said that they found out. Jon told

Daenerys, the one with the dragons, who he really is. So they've been boning and now she's just finding out that he's her nephew. She reacted like a normal woman in the situation. She got very upset that he was challenging her in any way. No, seriously. She didn't even worry about boning her own nephew.

She didn't care about the boning. She didn't care that he was her nephew. All she cared about was Thrawn. I won't speak in blanket statements, but that's accurate. The situation there that happened. I'm not going to blanket an entire gender. I didn't think you'd paint with a wide brush like that. You're destined to

slip up on a thing. You mean women that control dragons. Correct. It's a specific group. Of course. Us Throners, me included, we're very excited for the V to pop up on a thing next week. Next week, this has been going around

the internet. It says, Episode 3 of Game of Thrones, the Battle of Winterfell, will feature the longest battle sequence in film or TV history. That's what I've been saying this whole time. I always said Episode 70 is going to be the one that we're all going to remember. And that's why me and the Throners just have to be a little patient sometimes.

You know what I mean, Todd? Not everyone has that third eye. Todd, did you watch it? I did. I fell asleep the first time. No, but I'm saying, did you watch? You've watched all the way. I didn't know you were.

Yeah. But I don't know. I still don't know all the characters' names. You know what I mean? I just watch it, and I'm like, all right, sooner or later, somebody's going to kill somebody. It's going to be awesome. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

Where's the explosion? Where's Stallone? Okay, so there's a big war coming next week. Excited for that. You Throners, us Throners, can't wait for Episode 70. Great week coming. Can't wait. Breaking records.

That's going to be awesome. The NFL draft is coming up. We alluded to that earlier with Mike Florio. I will be announcing the third-round draft pick for your Indianapolis Colts, the Indianapolis Colts. And I'm a little bit worried. What is that? Chris Bowden's going to trade the pick. I'm a little bit worried. What is that? Chris Ballard's going to trade the pick.

I'm a little bit worried. I mean, they're around. They're around something he's been watching like 11,000 hours of tape. Yeah, that's what Chris Ballard does. That's why Chris Ballard dominates the draft. And I am going to make sure that that is known while announcing the pick, too, that the handsome guy that decided this, by the way, big old brain on him. So whoever this is, probably good at football.

I am going to have no idea who it is. There is zero chance. You might get lucky. The only thing I need to not do is pronounce the kid's name wrong because that's a moment for him for the rest of his life. So I got to make sure I get the name right and everything like that. Everything leading up to that, though, just get on the edge of your seats. It's going to be magic.

I'm going to take some folks on a ride, and it's going to be a fun one. I like Chris Ballard. He'll be joining the show on Thursday. I think I'm going to get out of him who he's picking with that third round draft because he does mock drafts probably just like Mel Kiper all the time. Well, third round, you have five minutes on the clock. You could do a five-minute set on the air. I got nothing but time.

I got nothing but time up there. I'm very excited. The draft is an electric time of the year, though. Honestly, because you find out who's got good brains, who's got dumb brains. I'm not talking about GMs. I'm very excited. The draft is an electric time of the year, though, honestly, because you find out who's got good brains, who's got dumb brains. I'm not talking about GMs. I'm talking about the pundits that automatically overreact. Darius Leonard, who would fucking take that guy? Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Quentin Olsen, top 10 pick with a guard, all pro as a rookie. You know what I mean? It's just the overreaction season is right around the corner, and I can't wait for it. Honestly, I can't wait for it. Honestly, I can't wait for it. Plus, it gives every single team in the NFL hope. Everyone on draft night has hope for the next season.

Oh, this guy's going to be the next insert name of somebody successful that was with our organization 45 years ago again. It's awesome. It's a nice feeling for everyone. I like the draft a lot. Also, big news. Tomorrow at noon, your new favorite

internet watch is debuting. Yeah! Come on! Office Championship Wrestling will be debuting. Brought to you by Natural Light. Will be debuting on the internet tomorrow at noon. Something to think about here. Go in there with an open mind.

It's going to be awesome It's going to be awesome The first match features something that Nick got us involved in What else is new? Nick can't help himself sometimes And he got us into big big problems with Should we say? No

Pretty big figure You'll find out after the break I just hope we come out on top of this one That's all I'm saying Honestly If not we're fucked. Legit. Yeah.

It's going to be a long life. Probably the most fucked you could possibly be. Yeah. I mean, Nick's got us into a mess here. It's the worst case scenario. Yeah. It is? Yeah.

Worst case scenario. I mean, whenever you say that, like that, when you put it that way, Nick should be feeling some guilt here. I think you guys are being a little dramatic with the situation if it were just you getting yourself into this mess that's one thing you got everyone yeah but that's not what I do I'm a team guy

bury us all that's good Nick got us into a terrible situation and office championship wrestling is going to be our opportunity to get out of it and we'll see what happens OCW our guy's going to be our opportunity to get out of it and we'll see what happens electric ocw ocw our guy's gonna be on his game hockey's still happening that's hockey talk nba playoffs uh that's hockey talk still happening i mean you know what just i

thought we're doing that's nba talk too well i mean we at least gotta let them do their thing we gotta at least talk absolutely it's it's It is the best hockey show on the internet. On the internet. Is there anything? That's Hockey Talk. It's a podcast. It's been happening for a couple weeks. Zito.

Zito produced it. Who's in? Who's doing well? Who's going to suck? Who's going to let everybody down? Who's going to win the Stanley Cup? I'll let the Hockey Talk boys talk about it. St. Louis Blues, surprising a lot of people.

Really hot. They're making a run here. Vegas. I saw YP with his guinea chinchilla on the Jumbotron. Good for him, so I'm very excited. YP in his swimsuit and his starter jacket. Respect. Vegas is about to go into a game seven first in the team's long and storied history.

So we're looking forward to that. They're taking on San Jose in the Shark Tank. Ty, how do you feel about it in the Shark Tank? Not great because we dropped one in double OT last night. Should have sealed it on home ice. Oh, my gosh. Had some stones in the skates early. It was tough.

58 saves, though. Shark's goalie, Martin Jones, 58 saves. Flower gave up a weak one. It was a softie. Did he really? First shorthanded playoff OT winner in multiple OTs. Double OT, yeah. Yeah.

Wow. They have a stat for everything. Let's not get crazy. Don't like that my lock, the Vegas Golden Knights, are about to be out. All right. We got one more to get on. Yeah, they're all right. Lock it in.

They're going to get the dub in a short time. Lock it in. Lock it up. Go ahead, Ty. Go ahead and get ready for round two over there in Vegas. Toronto and Boston about to go for game seven, too. Drake showed up wearing the Toronto jersey when they were up, and then now here we go.

Boston wins two in a row. Toronto didn't deserve that. No. Drake cursed it. Views from the six, not great. Whenever Drake is there. So Vegas Golden Knights probably going to win it all. Is that what we're saying?

If they beat San Jose, yeah, it's a good look. But Capitals are in a great spot to repeat, too. I like Ovechkin after he just dropped that fucking kid. I'm supposed to hate the Capitals, obviously, because Pittsburgh Penguins-Capitals had a very long rivalry there for a while. The Pens just won it all the time. Win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win. Then Ovechkin go ahead and decide just take things over last year,

and it seems like they're going to be unstoppable. And now that he's beaten the fuck out of kids, I am a big-time Ovechkin fan all of a sudden. Him swimming in his pond with Lord Stanley chugging brew haws for a week straight, took that thing from here to there all the way over to Putin's place. I mean, I am a fan. Maybe the Capitals are a lock as well.

So let's go ahead and lock them in. Let's lock the Washington Capitals in, the Vegas Golden Knights in. And Columbus. What about Columbus? Yeah, they're playing great, so lock them in, too. They just swept the best team in hockey. Shout out to Columbus. Come see us when we come to your town.

We'll be in Columbus. It's our second stop on our Pat McAfee Show Does America tour. By the way, people are coming after us a little bit about the Does America thing. Yeah. We're going from Pittsburgh to Minnesota. I mean, that's America. Yeah. I mean, about as much as America as you can do in two weekends.

That's what I'm saying. I mean, what? 50 states in two weekends? Yeah. It's not possible. I'm excited for that Minnesota thing. What city is that in, Zito? Burnsville.

Wow. Is that right? I think so. On the graphic. Oh, you would happen. I'll autocorrect. Oh, it autocorrected Burnsville. Wow, is that right? I think so. On the graphic. Oh, you would happen, autocorrect. Oh, it autocorrected Burnsville to Minneapolis. That's really weird. Apples.

That happens. Ding, ding. Yeah, just deflect, deflect. So what happened with the tour announcement? We alluded to this earlier. Six cities. We're also adding an Indianapolis show in July to kind of wrap it all together. We're at home.

That's what we do. A lot of people are like, oh, you're not doing Indy. Obviously, we're doing adding an indianapolis show in july to kind of wrap it all together we're at home that's what we do a lot of people are like oh you're not doing indy obviously we're doing indy in july it's just not a part of the america tour uh well it actually it'll be the end of the does america it'll be coming i'm coming home coming home tell your world i'm coming home. Let the rain wash away all the pain of yesterday. It's the end of the world. I'm coming

home. Coming home. In July. It'll be awesome. somehow some way we did not set up this tour this is the first time that i've been involved in a show that we have let the hands off the reins a little birdie told me that it may have been based on the six most or five most biggest demographics of listenership for the podcast. So if you would like it on the next run to come to your city. Tell friends to listen. Spread the word. Tell friends to listen.

Get on that ranking. So we took the reins off. Normally, we're a very independent operation here. Rent the theater. Sell the tickets, do the show, leave. This time, we let somebody else rent the theater, set up the ticket sales, everything like that. Did they do a perfect job? No.

No, they didn't. About an hour and a half before we're supposed to announce the cities i start getting tweets from the venues telling me that the tickets are going on sale in an hour and a half we haven't even announced the cities a week early which is a week early we haven't even got a chance to tell people that the show's coming we hadn't even identified the cities had we hadn't even to the public to the public no we hadn't done anything we hadn't even told anybody i started getting getting tweets. So they announced it early. They had a week early for ticket sales.

So this is what we've learned, right? If you don't do it yourself, well, what's going to happen? It's going to fuck up. It's going to fuck up. This will never happen again. I would like that to be known. So the people that aren't happy that we're not coming to your city, I apologize. The next time we set it up, I will set it up myself.

I will take the reins, take the reins put the horses in the back I put the horses in the back and then we will go that old town road right to your town road and we'll do that but it was almost a giant clusterfuck in the office this morning yeah Pat actually sent an email

that I was cc'd on and it just said what the fuck is going on it's a good start that was the day after easter at fucking 9 30 a.m i started seeing tweets from people that i'm coming to their venue i'm like yeah i am but these tickets are not going on sale today and why are you announcing this you should not be the ones announcing this. Sometimes bosses have to do things. Sometimes kings have to do royal things. And I sent

a royal fuck you to some people this morning. But we learn for the future. What is that? We do it ourselves. That's what we've been doing this whole time. Still might be fucked up, but it's our fuck up. Yeah, it's our fuck up. Then at least we are to blame. Not people that don't answer the phone for fucking

five hours. Still have yet to get a phone call by the way what really still have yet to get a phone call have you had to get an apology have yet to get anything about the complete missing by the way massive fuck up releasing the dates early releasing the ticket sales that is a massive fuck up it's a big deal because it's disrespecting the listeners it is it's disrespecting the fans it's doing a lot of those things and that's literally the backbone of this thing yeah and it's uh i didn't like it so just know that that won't happen again on the good side though peyton manning said no to monday night football we talked about it with florio i have not heard a single thing about it since we trended for 10 hours.

But you know what we did? We went and brought it back to their attention, didn't we? Didn't we? I sent a text to everybody I know on ESPN with that Judge Judy gift saying, Hey, listen, Peyton don't want it. Jason Witten don't want it. All these people don't want it. I'll take that son of a bitch.

You know what I mean? I will take that gig if you want it. Listen, I understand I'm not the perfect broadcaster at this moment. I got rejected from the goddamn broadcast boot camp three times now. Didn't even get invited this year after talking to the people about going. Didn't even get invited this year. So three times I've been rejected from the broadcast boot camp. I didn't go to Syracuse.

I don't know where. I didn't go to Northwestern. I didn't go to these broadcasts. I didn't go to class. Even if I was, I am I didn't go to Northwestern. I didn't go to these broadcasts. I didn't go to class. Even if I was, I am willing to learn and ready to learn. And my brain, I think, is ready to go on Monday nights. I think we could really make Monday Night Football an electric factory if they want it.

But what have we learned from people that make decisions? They don't make the best decisions. Normally they don't make great ones. Especially if they're older white people who don't happen to love people that wear sleeveless hoodies, jorts, things of that nature. They don't fully understand it. Let the game be the game. Let's do this.

Let's do this. We'll watch ratings go straight through the fucking shitter, and then we won't do anything about it until it's too late. We are here to say, hey, we'll CPR that son of a bitch Monday night. We'll hop right over Sunday night football in America. We don't give a damn. Let Jesus have Sunday back. Monday night's for the NFL.

We're going to have a good time. That's what I'm here for if they want it. If they want me to go to war for them, I'll go to war for them. And if they don't want me, guess what? I'll go to war with them. Oh, yeah. Pick your poison. War for and war with.

Two different animals. Two for a war. I'm joking. I'll just watch Monday Night Football for a while. With the sound off. I'm joking. I'll just watch Monday Night Football for a minute. With the sound off. I'm joking. I mean, they're probably going to pick somebody who's supposed to have that job, you know, some boring-ass person who's really good at talking about football. When this guy gets off the ball,

he gets a good three to five yards of separation before making his first cut. And that's what makes you an all-pro wide receiver. Let's put first down by the way i've thought about doing that like the next time i go on espn just packing it in just being like the what they want just oh yeah just playing the entire gimmick yeah fucking wear one of them lame ass suits glasses i think white people should just doing the entire just doing the entire thing. The next time I do a WWE thing,

I'm thinking about acting like one of those wrestling bloggers. Yeah, I would die. I think it's going to be a spectacle of a match the entire time, just like playing an entire gimmick. I'm thinking about it. Probably not, though, because I like to sleep at night, and I like looking in the mirror and seeing a bad

mother who don't take no crap from nobody. The NBA is around. James Harden was one of the most egregious flops I've ever seen in my entire life. That was insane, but hey, if you get on the foul line for it, I mean, if it helps your team, you can't respect

it, but I mean, you gotta appreciate it. I'm not gonna get into this with you you can't respect it, but, I mean, you've got to appreciate it. I'm not going to get into this with you guys because I can already tell which way the room's going. He got struck in his fucking throat. He got struck in his throat with an errant elbow that the naked eye can't see, that the electronic eye almost missed, but it didn't. He was struck with an elbow in the throat.

You know what? Now that you mentioned it, I think I saw it too, Gordon. He's getting buried for this. Did they take him off the court in a wheelchair? They shut up. I mean, he had an elbow to the throat, but he made the two. Hey, that dude said he was better than Dwayne Wade, right? Paul Pierce, the guy that got taken off on the other end.

Is that still going? No, but it shouldn't be. He'll say something next week about him being better than someone else. Who's going to win the thing? Golden State? I watched them the other day, and Klay Thompson got what? I like Milwaukee a lot. Really?

Milwaukee's not going to beat the Celtics. And I'm not saying that as a prick from Boston. Yes, you are. Which I am. I mean, I'm sorry. Like, for you, I want Boston. They are nowhere near as good as Milwaukee. Well, I mean, let's just talk about the Pacers.

The Pacers are not a good basketball team. I mean, they made it to the playoffs, so congratulations to the Pacers. Go, don't quit. Worst team in the playoffs by far. Yeah, but they lost literally their superstar. I mean, Victor Oladipo is their superstar. A lot of the local media, Dockage was like, don't tell me because Victor Oladipo isn't on team.

They shouldn't win. Name someone. If you're not from here,ipo isn't on the team. They shouldn't win. Name someone. If you're not from here, name someone else on the fucking team. Exactly. Miles Turner had that he has risen dunk the other day, I guess. But they got swept by the Celtics. The Celtics, I know nothing about the NBA. They're deep.

We're getting hot, and we're deep, and Gordon Hayward is finally playing the $130 million man he is. Well, I mean, he busted his shit, right? Sometimes it takes a little bit of a mental hurdle to get over that. So he's getting over it right now. It's perfect. And Kyrie Irving, by the way, whether he's dressed up like an old man, whether he's in Cleveland, it don't matter.

He is a baller. He's always fun to watch on the highlights. I don't know how anybody stops Golden State, though. I have no idea how you stop Golden State. Nobody does. Very hard. They lost to Marcus Cousins, their starting center. He tore his quad, done forever.

Not forever, but for the season. Kevin Durant. He sucks for to Marcus Cousins, by the way. He came back from an Achilles. Finally, just to win a championship. Still get a ring, though. Still get a ring. Good for him.

Still get a ring. But that Golden State team, I don't know if there will be another team like them. No, because the other night, they just decided that Klay was going to go off. And then the next night, it will be Curry, and then it will be Durant. Steph won't win the MVP, right, if they win this year? No, it's been KD the last two times. Yeah, he's never won a Finals MVP, so this actually might be the year. He also doesn't show up that much in Finals.

Wow. Don't have to when you have Klay and Joe Ryan. Until he's needed, though. There will be that one game, and he'll just pop off like 10 threes in a row. And you're like, oh, thanks for winning the game. He's been battling injuries the last couple of years, don't forget. Has he? In the playoffs, I'm saying.

Bad ankles, bad knees. He's got those handles. You can only cross so many people up before your ankles start giving to yourself. You take an ankle, you give an ankle. That's what they say. I've been watching a lot of basketball my whole life, I think. You take an ankle, you give an ankle. That's what they say. That's what they say. I've been watching a lot of basketball my whole life, I think.

Golden State's going to win it all that we're... Yeah, for sure. I'll take the field. Give me odds, boys. All right, here we go. We'll give you a 5-1. Okay. No, that's way too many. That's plus 500. No way it's plus 500. We'll give you three to one odds. I like the five.

Let's meet in the middle on four. Just be gentlemen. Okay, four to one. We'll all pay you 40. You pay us all 10. It can be anybody else, or are you picking a specific? I got the field. You guys got Golden State.

Deal. I'll give you four to one odds. Say it again. Deal. I'll jump in on you. Deal. Ten bucks, four to one odds. You pay us all 10. We'll give you four to one odds. Say it again. I'll jump in on you. Deal. Ten bucks, four to one odds. You pay us all ten, we'll pay you 40.

One, two, three, four, five, six. I'm on your side, Gorms. Yeah, I'm in. I'm in. Okay, so Gorms, you're with our top-level Gorms? You're taking the field with me? Yeah, for sure. Okay, so it's four to one odds.

I'll pay one, two, three, four, five, six. Seventy bucks I'll lose, and if not... 280. Yeah, so yeah, I'll take it. Okay, sounds good. Good bet. Good bet. Let's go Giannis, let, 6, 70 bucks. I'll lose. And if not, two 80. Yeah. So yeah, that's, I'll take it. Okay. Sounds good. Good bet. Let's go Giannis.

Let's go James Harden. Yeah. There you go. Sorry. Boogie. Doesn't matter. There's 45 guys on a gold state. Where's Steve Curtis?

Hey, hey, let's go eight to one. Hey, that's a lock. No, no, no. Yeah. That's a lock there. The room just changed a little bit. The room just changed after I said that. The curse has been reversed, though.

Game of Thrones was great. We already know that. Shout out to everybody that listened to this. Big thanks to Mike Florio. We got Chris Ballard coming up on Thursday. The tickets go on sale on Monday at noon. I have no idea how fast they'll sell, to be honest. We haven't sold-

Instilling. Maybe. We don't know. The last 17 times I have sold sold tickets to something it is sold out rather quickly the last time i did a show uh was at the purdue thing they opened up more seats it's sort of they open up more seats it's sold out they open up more seats it's sold out that's only in indiana i don't know how it'll do in your town noon on monday come party with us it's going to be a good time i'll be recording a little bit of a stand-up comedy special,

20, 25 minutes up in the front. We'll record a live podcast, and we'll have a special guest interview. It's going to be a great night. We're going to have a lot of fun, Q&A. The boys are all going to be there. We'll be traveling across from Pittsburgh to Minnesota. It's going to be a blast.

We can't thank you enough for doing what you do, which is choose to listen to this show on Heartland Radio 2.0. From myself, at Todd McComas, at NotTheFakeDiggs on Instagram, at Diggs with a Z on Twitter, at Nick Miraldo, at Hey! Gorman! I'll take that. Are you getting an Instagram? I got it already.

Two Ys. It's HeyGorman with two Ys. How come? Three Ys means sex. True. Does it? Does it? Well, HeyGorman was taken. Somebody took at HeyGorman with two Ys. How come? Three Ys means sex. True. Does it? Does it? Well, HeyGorman was taken.

Somebody took out HeyGorman. See, I told you you should have got your Instagram a long time ago. I told you. Somebody took HeyGorman, so I threw an extra Y in there for HeyGorman. So maybe get on Twitter with two Ys. Now we just got to find out what the hell that app does. A little late to the party, Pat. You'll get there.

You'll figure it out. You'll get there, HeyGorman. You'll figure it out. It's easy. Hey, did Lou Holtz stop by today? No, he did not. He absolutely did not, but he might this week. Well, he should make an appearance every now and then in your IG story once you learn how to do that.

Once I learn. Connor, need a little help there. Yeah, look elsewhere, Pat. Connor's not the guy to tell you. I'm so bad at it. So bad. By the way, at BostonConner, spelled weird, you'll never find it. Never. At VivaLazito, at BostonConner, spelled weird, you'll never find it. Never.

At VivaLosito, at Evan Foxey, at Ty Schmidt. Lou Holtz, can you give the people a little bit of motivation to buy the tickets at noon on Monday? Because they might miss out if they do not. Hey, let me tell you something right now about this. This is a good concert right here. I tell you what, what's his name again, that fellow? Kicker Kid.

I had recruited him back in the day when I was at the University of Notre Dame. McAfee. I remember the kid. He's a good football player, but three things you need to have if you want a successful show. Number one, make sure that everyone is there and happy and in good spirit. Smile to everyone that you meet and pat them on the back and shake their hand.

Number two, spread joy all around. If people are trying their best, they're out there doing what they can, fighting day in and day out. The third most important thing to enjoy this show, I'm going to tell you what, you've got to find an edge rusher because they are so hard to find that makes your life a lot easier. Find somebody down there in the heartland of America and get this kid up, sign him on your football team, get after a quarterback,

have a fun time at this show, whatever the hell you're doing. Thanks, Coach. We appreciate that. Hashtag Endgame. Hashtag Endgame. Go ahead and send me what you want me to wear for the Friday night draft, an outfit, an ensemble. Please remember that my choice for WrestleMania almost got me kicked off

of the grandest stage of them all, so I'm looking for help. What do you think I should wear Friday night for the draft, Diggsy? By the way, have you seen, now that Avengers is coming out this week, the hashtag endgame is the Avengers stole it from you. Yeah, they stole it. Things like that are going to happen. The fucking Auburn team is riding for the brand.

There's a lot of things. That's cool. The good thing about my brain is I'll just continue to create things. The least they could do. Maybe we get some points on the back end. Send us.01 of a penny for each dollar that they make. We probably make $10 million.

I would like to say that it is trademarked. Let's hope they sell like $100 million worth of things. Hey, by the way. Hit them on the back end. War Damn Eagle. Go ahead and buy some Ride for the Brand merch. Let's see how that goes. No, I don't care.

As long as it keeps going, it keeps going. It's all for the brand. We don't give a damn. We'll see you tomorrow with Heartland Radio 2.0. Hey, one second. Where's my cup of coffee go? That thing grew some legs and I don't know. Blue Holtz is lost in the studio. Office Championship Wrestling tomorrow

at noon. It's going to be worth a watch. I just wanted a cup here. Ty Schmidt hits the music. I'm coming home. I'm coming home. Tell the world I'm coming home.

Let the rain wash away all the pain of yesterday. I know my kingdom awaits and they've forgiven my mistakes. I'm coming home. I'm coming home. Tell the world I'm coming. I'm back where I belong I never felt so strong I'm feeling like there's nothing I can't try And if you with me put your hands high I've never lost a life before

And if you with me put your hands high Your dreams are filled, you're rockin' with the best I'll be on your side, I hear the tears of a clown I hate that song, I always feel like they talkin' to me when it comes on Another day, another dawn, another Keisha Nice to meet you, get the mad, fine, girl What am I supposed to do when the club lights come on? It's easy to be puffed, but it's harder to be shone

What if my twins ask me why I ain't married a mom? Damn, how do I respond? What if my son stares with a face like my own And says he wants to be like me when he's grown? Shit, but I ain't finished grown Another night, the inevitable prologue Another day, another dawn Just tell Keisha and Teresa I'll be better tomorrow

Another lie that I carry on I need to get back to the place I belong I'm coming home, I'm coming home Tell the world that I'm coming home Let the rain wash away all the pain of yesterday I know my kingdom awaits And they're forgiving my mistakes I'm coming home, I'm coming home Tell the world mistakes I'm coming home, I'm coming home

Tell the world that I'm coming home A house is not a home, I hate this song Is a house really a home when your loved ones is gone? And niggas got the nerve to blame you for it And you know you would've took the bullet if you saw it But you felt it and still feel it And money can't make up for it Or conceal it But you deal with it And you keep ballin'

That's why I submit to Playboy And we keep ballin' Baby, we been livin' in sin Cause we been really in love But we been livin' as friends So you been a guest in your own home It's time to make your house your own Pick up the phone and come home I'm coming home, coming home Tell the world that I'm coming home Let the rain wash away All the pain of yesterday I know my kingdom awaits And they've forgiven my mistakes I'm coming home, I'm coming home Tell the world that I'm coming home

Ain't no stopping us now, I love that song Whenever it comes on, it makes me feel strong I thought I told you that we won't stop Till we back cruising through Harlem These old blocks is what made me, saved me Drove me crazy, drove me away Then embraced me, forgave me For all of my shortcomings, welcome to my homecoming

Yeah, it's been a long time coming Lot of fights, lot of scars, lot of bottles, lot of cars Lot of ups, lot of downs, made it back, lost my dog But here I stand, a better man Thank you Lord, thank you Lord I'm coming home, I'm coming home Tell the world that I'm coming home. I'm coming home. Tell the world that I'm coming home. I'm coming home.

Let the rain wash away. Feel so good. All the pain of yesterday. Feel so free. Ain't no place like home, baby. Ain't no place like home. I'm coming home. I'm coming home.

Tell the world that I'm coming home. I'm coming home. Tell the world that I'm coming home We have the incredible luxury of being able to talk to a man who has decades and decades worth of experience in detective work about some very, very, very serious manners and matters that affect Indiana in particular. We got into

a conversation with old Todd McComas. Yep, old Uncle Todd. Yep, old potty boy. Yep, old McComas. Old Toddster. Old Toddfather. Balls. He is old as balls. Speaking of his

balls, Gator came from them, but that man and us got a chance to chat about something very serious happening in Delphi earlier. And I think the inside intel will be something that you'll find interesting. Ladies and gentlemen, a conversation with Tom McCormick about his previous expertise. That Delphi press conference was an interesting one. I think I still have $50,000 up for it and $49,000. I believe Jim Irsay has another $50,000 up for it and $49,000 I believe Jim Irsay has another we have about $100,000 up for grabs here for tips to solve

the Delphi murders thing the state police superintendent Carter yes Doug Carter came out yesterday and had a full press conference and he was talking it seemed as if it was a strategic press conference he was saying numerous things that he

thinks that they have interviewed the person who did it or somebody close to the person. They think the person is from Delphi. They believe the person is hiding in plain sight. They believe that this is for power for them. And he also mentioned that he would have never guessed that we would shift our strategy two years into this, but we have. They released a new, uh, video is,

these are all things. It sounds like that are, uh, planned and strategic wise by the state police. Am I correct? Yeah. I'm guessing by what, what you've said that he covered,

uh, they probably have a pretty good idea who they're looking at here. You think so? Yeah. You think that they are probably pretty dialed in to a couple people and they're like, this is probably it. Let's see if we can get them to do something. I'm guessing so because this sounds like something that you would do to spur an action to happen.

And there's no reason to do that if you have no idea who you're looking at because you wouldn't know where to look for the action to occur. So an action could be a phone call, could be a trip somewhere or something like that. So they're looking to kind of just like when tim mcfee took me hunting he said we're gonna go chase the deer out of this valley here we're gonna hit the ground they're doing that right now to try to get the guy to move i think there's a good possibility yeah because that definitely sounds like some people helped him put together exactly what to say and there's a reason behind every word that's awesome you know i mean so we're gonna catch the guy i think they must be close.

Let's go. I think this is a very good sign. Hey. Yeah. Hey. Hey. Hey. Good sign.

After you hear what we're going to release today, I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion. Empathy. As we move forward to find out who did this and we will. We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPSDCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier-Hartland Highway between the hours of noon to 5 on February 14th, 2017.

If you were parked there or know who was parked there, please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi City Building. We are releasing additional portions of the audio recording from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We're also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video, When you see the video, watch the person's mannerisms as they walk.

Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember, he is walking on the former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge, the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties. During the course of this investigation, we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch, which you will see

shortly, is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. of these two little girls we also believe this person is from delphi currently or has previously lived here visits delphi on a regular basis or works here we believe this person is currently between the age range of eighteen and forty

but might appear younger than his true age. But might not be. Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years, you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy. But we have. We likely have interviewed you. Or someone close to you.

We know that this is about power to you. We know that this is about power to you. And you want to know what we know. And one day, you will. A question to you. What will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls? Two children. Only a coward would do such a thing. We are confident that you have told someone what you have done. Or at the very least, they know. Because of how different you are since the murders. So what he, that sounds like they, they're just, what is that? this is what it sounds like to me now i have to listen to that so i take back what i said earlier i don't believe

they know who it is probably they have worked a lot with the fbi's behavioral science unit and a profiler has laid out who they think this type of person is probably including that he lives in the area and is still living there so i want i think the strategy just just my guess is from what he said the purpose of that was let's see after this goes out who disappears from town because it's such a small town it would be easy after that happens to be like oh my brother george you know has been he left town he's not come back and then now you know who to chase after so you think this isn't like uh we do know who it is or they have a fit because they said almost like how do you think your family's gonna feel in my head they it sounded like a mr what's that kevin costa movie

mr brooks mr brooks type thing where it's like how you think people are going to feel. It almost sounded like they think it's somebody of a notable or of importance type thing. I don't know. I think definitely because it's small town Indiana, everybody knows everybody. So I think it'd be easy to assume because this person is able to blend in town, they do worry about how they're perceived because otherwise they would already stick out. You know what I mean?

If they were a weirdo or if they did awful things. Oh, yeah, like a creepy guy down the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So whoever this is, I think they're pretty convinced he's from the community and is still living there. And this would be a good move because it's he's kind of like giving out innuendo like we know a lot more than you think we know and you're about to we're about to close in on you so now would be a good time for that person to beat feet

leave for someone to act out of character essentially yeah could do something that's what i think going on now after hearing that yeah and it would be easy to identify in delphi right because everybody knows everybody they'd be like oh hey the janitor from the school has not showed up for work you know or whatever the case may be so why do you put such a wide range of like age like if he does live there and doesn't live there like why do that that's for people for tips right yeah and i bet you they this vehicle that was parked there that's a new tip somehow or they captured a portion of it on some kind of video they didn't have available before or something and they either got enough of a shot that they're able to guess an age or an eyewitness said the person was you know between this age and

that age so the big thing that i heard was like and like that reminded me of the behavior analysis was when they called him a coward yes like. Like that, that immediately was like, they're trying to get him to trigger him in some way. Cause I, I've, I've dealt with just on one case, I've dealt very closely with an FBI profiler for a long period of my case. And they do that. They like map out exactly like what characteristics. Yes. Yeah.

If you call him a cat. I keep saying you're hiding in plain sight. This is somebody who's very confident almost. Yes, exactly. Who would, who would be embarrassed if this were to come out which is exactly what your family gonna think whatever right right right because you can't blend in a small community like that and not be the town weirdo you know i mean if you act out in those ways outward this is insane to think why wait two years for that though well because they the original sketch came from that video. So they were trying to draw who they think it is.

I would assume that this has been hours and hours and hours and hours of work here. Did they initially have a suspect? Did they ever come out public with one? They didn't? That's why Pat and them put out the reward. The initial press conference was just a still picture from the video and a little voice sample. And they did a press conference, the superintendent and Pat,

and then Pat put up, um, you know, half the reward. And then they put up the other half or something. And, uh, it was all to elicit tips.

And I've guessed it probably takes, man, you can't imagine how many tips that bullshit tips. You got to sort through it. It's over two. I think it was like $200,000 up for grabs or something like that. Everyone's calling. It's just taking so much time to finally get enough information

to the behavioral science unit, I'm guessing. And then it takes a long time for them to process it and get back to you because of their caseload. I want to let you know, this show has nothing to do with this type of stuff ever. It is really cool to have a guy who's a very successful detective. Yeah. 21 years of detecting shit, and you just –

it's very awesome to have you in here. I'll tell you what. I'm glad you guys enjoy it. I enjoy it more, I think, from the outside now. Because of the pressure? Yeah, yes. And you've already experienced a little bit of what the outside now like if we because the pressure we ever come up with yeah yes and you've already experienced a little bit of what the bureaucracy is like when you're in the mix yeah that that's what i don't miss like working those cases and stuff there was so much in the way of

just doing just figuring it out the cool stuff and yeah and just doing the job you know what i mean and but from the outside now can kind of just enjoy those good parts. It would be cool if we ever found our place to kind of work in that capacity. Well, I think the interesting thing here is, especially knowing what we know now from you, you did the wiretapping for a while. You did the other stuff for a while. The thought of what's happening right now after this press conference,

after dealing with you for uh a little bit of time now not dealing with you but learning from you for a little bit they're diving into people's phones like okay who made some frantic phone calls right who's leaving town who it's all it's almost like whenever i started doing mma rolling with people yes and matreon would poke me in my one side so i would literally just move and as soon as i move he grabs my neck it's like exactly that's what detectives are doing they're like literally just prodding at somebody or the suspect so that they do something then bang they're like all right here we go yes like if you could take a three-dimensional model of your case right

all the facts and circumstances and players involved or whatever and lay it on a two-dimensional flat line you're looking for things to go up and down from that flat line right and then you're like oh let me see why that happened and you know it just takes such a long time to do not to like it's responsible for at least one of my divorces because i was so ocd like i would just get so wrapped up in the cases that i would just work all the time. It would be hard not to. Yeah.

It would almost be hard not to because at any given time, something could pop off. Yes. Yes, absolutely. And I wouldn't let go of it. I'd be like, hey, I'm not going to be home for a couple of days or whatever, you know. I'd just pop in to sleep for two hours, back out, always on my phone whenever we went anywhere. Oh, are you fucking somebody? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. A potential serial killer. But same thing. And it's not different than other jobs really i mean to like in the nfl if you want to be the best in your position you have to be a freak about it you have to be obsessed with it yes you literally have and there's you know that somehow sometimes doesn't balance well with other aspects i have a question on that regard is it difficult difficult to detach yourself emotionally when you get invested in a case like that? It was for me. I think there are...

Yeah, because when you catch this guy, you've been digging into this guy's life for a long time. Doug Carter right there was very emotional in that thing. You could hear him taking deep breaths. How hard is it not to just punch that guy right in the face? Very hard. Sometimes you're in the car waiting for the jump out and you're like i hope this motherfucker

does something you know i mean like just because you're just waiting but uh yeah that and it's just like it's it's hard to go home and enjoy relaxing and not paying attention or doing something for those victims you know what i mean like you feel guilty yeah you feel guilty about oh i'm just watching the sopranos tonight and i should be fucking making some phone calls or something You know what I mean? Like you feel guilty. Yeah, you feel guilty about, oh, I'm just watching The Sopranos tonight, and I should be fucking making some phone calls or something. Chasing a killer. Just real quick, shout out to the Indiana State Police doing their work here for the Delphi murders.

Very excited to see if they can catch the asshole monster that did this. If you have any tips, please reach out. Go ahead and give. There's a big purse on the line for it. I'm not sure how big our demo is in Delphi, but I'm assuming there's a few people that are listening to this show right now. If you know anything,

hey, if you know something, say something. Amen.