The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 068 - Chris Ballard, Rich Eisen, & Behind The Scenes Of The "Greatest Draft Announcement Of All-Time"

Episode Date: April 30, 2019

On today’s show, Pat breaks down his trip to Nashville for the NFL Draft. From shaking hands with Roger Goodell and sitting in a forum with Hall of Famers like T.O. and perhaps the most electric human on earth, Rayfield Wright, to hanging out with Shane Lechler and TJ Yates in the green room and getting a picture with Reggie Wayne, to delivering the most entertaining and hilarious draft pick in NFL history, Pat relives the entire day. Also joining the show to discuss his draft and what he thought of Pat’s performance, is GM of the Indianapolis Colts, Chris Ballard. He and Pat discuss the players the Colts picked up, and what the atmosphere was like in the Colts’ war room for pick 89 (33:24-37:51). Also joining the show is friend of the program, friend of The Brand, and the voice of the NFL, Rich Eisen. He and Pat discuss draft weekend, and what Rich thought of the weekend as a whole. They cover the headspace of Giants fans after drafting Daniel Jones and all the negative backlash, Mike Mayock's first draft as GM of the Oakland Raiders, Rich’s vendetta with the band at the draft, his enthusiasm when calling the first punter drafted, and what he thought of Pat’s performance (48:24-1:10:22). The guys also dive DEEP into Game of Thrones as they discuss the Battle of Winterfell and whether or not it lived up to everyone’s expectations, and they briefly get into Avengers: End Game (WITHOUT SPOILERS). It’s a good one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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which I'll remember for the rest of my life. So, so thankful for the NFL and the Indianapolis Colts letting me announce the third round draft pick. Pick number 89 for the Indianapolis Colts. A lot happened on Friday, though. The draft was just a cherry on top. We have stories about T.O. and Terrell Owens, Roger Goodell, Troy Vinson, a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff.

Shane Leckler makes an appearance. You're going to enjoy the hell out of today's conversation and we talked to Chris Ballard about how I did and Rich Eisen who had to host 12 hours of live TV this week a lot of really good stuff coming your way and we're so thankful you chose to listen we also put tickets on sale yesterday

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It was a long day, though. We were down there. It was a long day. The announcement of the draft pick was just kind of like the cherry on top of the entire day. As soon as I get there, because my name has been tossed back into particular conversations before the draft announcement. Oh, that's right. So before the draft announcement, my name has been tossed back into, due before the draft announcement. Oh, that's right.

So before the draft announcement, my name has been tossed back into due to the sheriff declining. So now it's kind of a blank slate again. My name has been brought up again for a particular job, Monday Night Football. So I was told that it would behoove me to go down and shake some hands of the NFL folks on Friday, which at the draft, I guess there's an entire setup.

The NFL community is set up down there. You got the legends community, got NFL film set up down there, NFL networks there. Everybody that is anybody, anybody that is anybody in the NFL is all down there. So we landed down there like 1130 and the first thing I went to was called the commissioner's forum, which is pretty cool. So there's like an NFL alumni group, which I think the NFLPA puts together. And then there's an NFL legends group that the NFL puts together. We've talked about this legends email that I've showed up on plenty of times on this show.

I think we've kind of mocked me being considered a legend on there a couple of times. But this is my first time really experiencing the NFL legends community. So Troy Vincent, who's a pretty high up in the NFL. He's an ex player, him and commissioner Goodell put on this forum called the commissioner's forum for the NFL legends community, those who were announcing draft picks. So the second round announced, uh, picks had their own forum. That was an hour long. Centonio Holmes, Reggie Wayne, all those guys were a part of that. And then the third round draft pick announcers had their own forum, which is an hour long at the JW Marriott downtown. So I was invited to that. I had no clue what it was when I was walking in. No clue at all what it was. I was told to go to the second floor here,

JW Marriott, everybody set up. You're going to go to the commissioner's forum. I thought it was going to be the commissioner just speaking, like kind of the lay of the land or whatever. They're like, oh, we're going to start in five minutes. There's some food over here if you'd like to go grab it. I go grab a skirt steak or whatever and some water. Brent Selleck comes over and talks to me. I'm like, oh, Brent, what's up?

He's like, oh, nice. It's my first time meeting a lot of these people. And then we get called over into the room. We walk in. There's this big grand room. And then there's like 20 chairs sitting in a circle, you know? And Brent goes, I'm going to talk about lifetime health care. And I was like, you're going to talk.

He was like, yeah, that's what I'm going to talk about. I'm like, oh, shit. We're talking at this thing? And he was like, yeah, yeah. It's like we talk about things. And then the commissioner and Troy Vincent talk. It's like all that stuff. I'm like, oh, I. It's like we talk about things, and then the commissioner and Troy Vincent talk. It's like all that stuff. I'm like, oh, I was not prepared for this.

I was not prepared for this. So I was just like, I'm going to sit. It's 10 chairs on the ground in the middle, and then like 10 stools behind them in a circle. So it's like 20 chairs in a circle. Troy Vincent sitting down on the lower level on one end. Roger Goodell sitting down on the other end on the bottom row across from him. It's kind of a casual setup. As you walk in, Roger Goodell shaking everybody's hands, you know, welcoming.

I went in firm, by the way, very firm. Good idea. Very firm. Eye contact, very strong. You know, how's it going, Kamish? Good to see you. Did he hold out a little longer? Oh, yeah, he did actually.

Really? Yeah, he did. He did hang on i thought it was over and he kept it going i was like i should have known he shakes a lot i should have known i didn't break eye contact though so it was it was good but it was a great hand shake great handshake so he sits down we're all kind of in a circle in the room dante hall is in there legend by the way dante hall is in there tarrell owens is is in there. He had a performance in this. He was hilarious.

It wasn't Terrell. Let's go. T.O. was very much in there. There were some other legends in there. Brent Selick, obviously, I mentioned him. And then this guy named Rayfield Wright, who you don't know yet, probably.

He is an electric human being he played in the nfl for 13 years for the dallas cowboys he's a hall of famer um he's he's 72 years old now at this point he's sitting on the outer rim of the thing uh cockey right over right shoulder roger goodell next to him jackie slater who's matt slater's father he played 20 years in the NFL for the Los Angeles Rams we kind of went around the room and said like name how long you played and shit like that there eight was the bottom number so I played eight and there was a couple of us eight everything else was above it was like 13 15 20 I mean there was some real OGs in there and I didn't fully understand what we were doing to begin with right right? So I'm just sitting back just kind of like, all right, I'm going to hang out here, watch everybody else go to work.

And it leads off with lifetime health care, and then there's some other conversations about the rules of the games changing. T.O. starts asking about how we care about quarterback's health, but we don't care about wide receivers or running back's health or anything like that, which spurs an entire conversation about the rules changing and then one of the ogs ogs asks about like why why is this all for pr all these rules changing like is it for anything other than pr is this for anything other than people from outside the world of football trying to influence the game of football itself and roger goodell i will say this i've talked about how good he is as a talker.

In there, he handled himself exactly the way you would expect. Very professional. He said, no, it's because data that we were getting was alarming. The data we were getting that started in 07 was alarming. And it was hard for me to sleep at night basically knowing that this game was happening. It was like a real answer, right? But a couple of the OGs were like oh that bullshit you know like it

was they were really putting it on troy and gadell like it was really going at it and then this guy ray field right man ray field fucking right we looked up his appearance rate and we're gonna pay him extra whatever it is i'm gonna try to get him in here he's like six foot seven he's a very large man old man he's sitting at the edge of his stool i think he had like uh maybe it was something he was holding his hands on it was like either a cane or something else and he's just sitting at the edge listening to everybody talk and then they mentioned the fining that the the institute the fine so people stop hitting it and all this stuff earlier in the conversation. And he just goes $15,000. That's a fine. That's my rookie contract.

And he like stands up now. Like he's standing up. He's like, I'm tired of the talk. I'm tired. I'm a walk out of here. And he just starts like yelling. Basically.

And good Dell is looking over his shoulder at this guy. Carter, I'm going to walk out of here. And he just starts like yelling basically. And Goodell is looking over his shoulder at this guy. And Rayfield Wright just puts on a show about everything that's wrong with the way the OGs of the NFL are handled. And to Troy Vincent and Roger Goodell's credit, they sat there. They understood the passion and the hurt and the pain. And they're like, we're going to try to make this happen. We're going to try to change some things to make it better. And it became the Rayfield Wright Show.

It was a 55-minute meeting scheduled. And about 35 minutes in, it became the Rayfield Wright Show. He threatened to walk out three times. I'm going to walk out of here. I'm going to walk out of here. Are you laughing? Oh, no, no, no. You can't be laughing.

I couldn't. Because it was coming from a place of real passion. You know what I mean? It was coming from a place of like, hey, there's some real – the way the OGs have been treated, the O-O-Gs, like the pioneers of this game, the old guys, the way they feel is very – by the way, I would assume justified. I'm not one of them.

But they are not happy with the way the NFL PA treats them. Right. Because I remember being in the NFL at a meeting right before the CBA, right after the CBA in mentioning how like, Hey, we're all going to be X players at some point. Shouldn't we allocate some money towards X players? And basically the response from the NFL PA was like,

they can take care of themselves. We got to take care of us. That's insane. Yeah. It's like kind of like that type of situation. So I couldn't even fathom what it's like for the fucking guys who were here way before CBAs and commercials and these old guys, right?

Yeah, he cares. So they were not happy. And Rayfield was like, when I walk out of my house, people know me. People know me. I represent the NFL. I represent the Dallas Cowboys. And I represent the NFL. I represent the Dallas Cowboys.

And I represent the Hall of Fame. And he said, and I got to respect people because I represent those things. But it feels like the league don't respect me. And he was like, no, I'm okay. I'm fine. I'm fine. But guys I played with, not fine. They need to be taken care of. And I'm going to walk out of here.

He kept threatening, right? And it was, I think, like some real steps were made. Like I think some real steps were made. Like I think there was some actual conversation that broke through with Troy Vincent and Roger Goodell. And I spoke up at the very end of the meeting. How do you follow that? So there was a lot of bickering. I mean, T.O. and Troy Vincent got into it at one point and it was fucking hysterical

I mean it was like a comedy break almost in the middle of the thing there's a lot of passion in there but it was just like we're back in the locker room again you know everybody's shit talking and I will say to Goodell's credit like I don't think I've ever seen Goodell in that type of atmosphere where he isn't all buttoned up suited suited up. He had a polo on and some khakis. And he was giving it. I mean, he was having real. He was one of the guys. Yeah, it was real.

Being personable. It was awesome. It was actually really cool to see. I think the NFL should show that a little bit more often. Yeah, maybe record it. Yeah, I think they should show that a little bit more often, the way Goodell handled himself in there. But I tried to wrap it all up at the end, basically, right? And as soon as I started talking, because the one half of the room was doing all the talking. The

other half where I was sitting was the younger generation. We were kind of quiet. And I just kind of like poked my hand in real quick. It was like probably the 50th minute in, and I summarized everything. And I gave a couple of answers like to some things. I was like, with the way marketing is these days and way insurance companies love marketing, there has to be some insurance company that the NFL could team up with to get the OGs some lifetime healthcare. I mean, even if you have to pay for it, I'm assuming that there's some deal that could be negotiated. I might not be 100% certain. I've never dealt with the insurance companies. That seems to be a little bit bigger, but that seems like something that could happen. Goodell, by the way, writes it

down. I'm like, okay. By the way, whole room gets quiet at this point i'm like all right i'm onto something all right i'm onto something and i was like and obviously there isn't a lot of trust with the nfl pa amongst the ogs i think we can all feel that at the next cba if the nfl was to say hey we want an og fund in here too it doesn't have to be a massive one you get 55 or 60 percent of the tv ratings the nfl 45 whatever it is to the players but if you just take like two percent out of that and say hey we want this to go to the ogs and take care of the ogs and however the ogs distribute it i think the nfl would get great pr out of that i think you would be taking care of the pioneers of the game it would show that

you care about the ex-players the people that laid the foundation for this place and also that dante hall led off the whole meeting with it feels as if you're trying to get rid of kick returners, which is in special teams, which is how I've made my entire life. And then remember the PR talk about the game and the rules changing. I was like, also, I feel like if you guys just come out and say, yo, there's an inherent risk in playing in the NFL instead of just always adjusting and diving because the the media tells you to boxing's been around a long time a long time and there's just an inherent risk I think if you came out and just said hey listen this is our league these are our stats if the players want to play they can play if not they at least know what they're getting into

I think that's a PR spin as well these are all things I think that we could really figure out and then I was like and that's all I got. And then I sit back and everybody's just kind of quiet. And they look around. And then Rayfield Wright goes, if you ain't never put your hand in the dirt, you shouldn't be deciding anything. And he gives me

a nod of approval. And then the meeting basically ends. And I was like, all right. So Dante Hall came up to me directly afterwards. As soon as right. So Dante Hall came up to me directly afterwards. As soon as it ended, Dante Hall came up to me. He was like, I would have loved to have heard the answer that they were going to give you. It sucks we ran out of time. I was like, I feel like that will probably be discussed in the future.

And I was like, very nice to meet you. Very nice to meet you. And everybody had to leave and go their separate ways. And we go down the escalators. And I'm telling Foxy what happened. I'm like, Foxy, there was a fucking moment back there, man. And Rayfield writes down at the bottom with his wife. And I go, sir, I didn't know who you were before today. You were the most electric human I've ever met in my entire life. And he goes,

thank you. And shakes my hand and I just walk away. And I was like, man, what a fucking moment in there. I was like, Foxy, you missed it. Foxy, you missed it. So we meet up with Shane Leckler after that to go record this Legends podcast. And Leckler went out the night before because he had to go to the Bud Light party. So he slept through the commissioner's forum. And I was like, bro, you fucking missed it, man. You missed it in there. T.O.

and Troy were kind of bickering back and forth about the rules of the game. And then this Rayfield Wright guy is a legend and Dante Hall was in there. He was like, oh, I know Dante. Shane Leckler was like, I had to punt to him in college Hall was in there. He was like, oh, I know Dante. Shane Leckler was like, I had to punt to him in college and in the NFL. He was a nightmare, but it was just a wild day. Did a podcast with Leckler and Scobie, hung out with him,

and then shook some hands with the NFL Films people, recorded something for the Top 100. They're having a 100-year anniversary thing, and then I shook some hands at NFL Network. And then finally we get on a bus to go over to the draft sit backstage for six hours and then whammy we go up there and do our thing but it was uh it was an awesome awesome awesome fucking day i was very lucky to be there do you feel like this is the first time because you've done a lot of things for on behalf of the nfl in the past do you feel like this was the first real run where they're like fucking that's the guy well i think it was awesome to hear these legends come up to me and tell me

that they're a fan of mine right so like a lot of people come up and say like i love your stuff i love what you do it felt as if i had garnered a bit more respect from people now granted not all the legends knew who the fuck i was right i said my name they had heard of my name. They had heard of me, but it wasn't like anybody knew me. But there was a lot of guys that came up to me in Foxy and were very, very, very nice to me, like overly nice. Well, that's what I said after to Pat on the plane home. I'm like, I forget sometimes who the fuck is listening to this podcast, and it was really, really cool to see that.

Yeah, you get these people to come up, and they just treat Foxy as if he's like, I'm a guy for some reason. Yeah, like very nice to follow. Hey, Foxy, you need anything? Like that type of stuff. Gotta be the pup. Gotta be the pup.

Well, there's a lot of people listening to this show, though. Like a lot of old legends listen to the show because I think it makes them feel as if it's a locker room environment again, so they kind of like it. But it was awesome to be there. And, yeah, I do feel like I was treated with a lot more respect than in the past. Speaking of, there was a picture. I'm sure everyone on the internet saw it. Oh, yeah.

It did the conversation with Reggie Wayne finally happen. Okay, so Reggie was coming out of the first commissioners forum as I was going in. Okay, so he's coming out. I'm going into the next one because he announced the second round. I announced the third one. And he goes, hey, man, why you tell people we never talk? And I looked at him and i was like

well i mean well he was like we taking a photo tonight i'm sick of seeing this i started laughing but he dapped me up you know in uh it was a it was a pretty cool moment but i was going in while he was going out so we still by the way still didn't get to have a conversation but then whenever we arrived at the draft uh because we get there early just in case chris while he was going out. So we still, by the way, still didn't get to have a conversation. But then whenever we arrived at the draft, because we get there early, just in case Chris trades up to the beginning of the third round, they needed us. They were actually rushing us in the back.

I did an interview with Fox, and they were like, let's go, like forcing me to get back to the green room while the second round was still happening. So they were like worried that something, a potential move was going to happen, I guess. And when I get there, Reggie came back from one of his picks. It was after he fucking sawed them down.

And he came back, and I was with Leckler. I think Mangold was there at the time and Foxy. And Reggie comes walking by, and he walks up, and he daps me up or whatever, and then he gives Shane Leckler his big hug. And Shane goes, you know Pat? I like Leckler. And Reggie goes, man, let's get this photo.

So that photo that everybody saw there, Shane Leckler took that picture. So I think that is something that wasn't talked about. Like a Hall of Famer took that photo, and then me and Reggie talked for like 10, 15 minutes, and it was a good conversation. It was a really cool conversation, to be honest with you, and I thought he performed very well on the stage. I enjoyed watching him talk a little shit up there.

But by the way, a little inside information. I planned on zero shots at the Tennessee Titans. Zero shots. We know that. We can verify that. Because we have a pretty big following down in Nashville and a lot of Titans fans. And the Tennessee Titans are very for the brand.

I mean, they're one of the first teams to put up for the brand. Love Nashville. I planned on zero shots at the Tennessee Titans fans. But once Reggie basically goes viral for doing it, I mean, I'm left no other option. You can't ignore it. You had to take his back almost. Exactly. You also did it in a way that you took a shot at yourself as well.

Yeah, perfect. And by the way, I feel there was a lot of positive response to my thing, which I'm very thankful for everybody. I don't want to say we knew it was going to happen, but I think we all pretty much knew it was going to happen up there. You give anybody that has just a little bit of a gift to gab in that situation with 200,000 people alive and millions of people watching in that setting, there's going to be a chance for something magical to happen.

Please welcome from West Virginia University, 2014 Colts Man of the Year and two-time Pro Bowler Pat McAfee. Do we have a seven-second delay? He's Man of America, not Man of the Year. He's Man of America. Hello, Nashville. I'm not going to say a single word about the Tennessee Titans record

against the Indianapolis Colts because I was a punter and there's no reason for me to talk about that. With that being said, we did not punt much against the Tennessee Titans, so you probably have no clue who I am to begin.

Two years ago, when I retired from the Colts, I retired alongside two greats, Robert Mathis and Joe Reitz. A couple months later, I watched the draft. Robert Mathis announced the pick. Joe Reitz announced the pick. And then an orangutan announced the fourth round draft pick. I was replaced by a zoo animal. I was not upset about it because the orangutan was

terrible at his job. With that being said, the Indianapolis Colts are the hottest team not only in the AFC South but the entire NFL. A young nucleus surrounding the Stanford nerd Andrew Luck. Two old pros were drafted last year, 10 this year,

and with the 89th pick of the 2019 NFL Draft, the Indianapolis Colts, Jim Irsay and Chris Ballard, select future Hall of Famer, linebacker from Stanford, Bobby Okereke. Okereke. Pat McAfee, everybody. I feel like I didn't even bury the Titans that much. I feel like it was a very, very subtle shot. There were some old white people, though, from Tennessee that did not love it.

But I had an absolute blast. It was a really fucking cool day. I will say that. Very cool day. Nick had a great tweet, and I wanted to follow up on it. That was basically a quarter of what you had planned on saying. When did you decide to fucking shorten it? Or maybe.

So the night before, when I was watching Thursday night, and Goodell was just going up announcing the pick, and they were moving on, I was very worried. I was like, maybe I shouldn't be saying anywhere near as much as I. Because I wondered myself. I was like, man, I hope Pat just doesn't go up there and do it. With the pick. Hello, Tennessee.

But on the plane, I was told, I forget who I talked to. Somebody told me that Nate Burleson, oh, Adam Lefkoe. Adam Lefkoe. I talked to Lefkoe because he took our sticker off of his fucking studio. Which, come on. Questionable. Come on, Lefkoe. Come on, Lefkoe.

I talked to him and he said, you're announcing it. You know, Nate Burleson's words from that draft day are actually printed on the Lions practice facility. So they actually have been quoted on the Lions. So I was like, okay, let me see what this is because I've never really paid attention to other people doing draft picks. Then I watched his speech and I was like, oh, okay, so I can talk a little bit. So I can talk a little bit. And then I kind of watched as the day went on and I kind of got a feel of how long I could go and how long I couldn't go and what was too much and what wasn't enough.

And that's when I decided to take out the Johnny Unitas speech, the Peyton Manning speech in the Mayflower trip from Baltimore in 86 to Indianapolis and just go straight to the hits, you know, just go straight to the heat for the, the modern Indianapolis Colts team. But yeah, there was, um, there was quite a little, everybody was, hits you know just go straight to the heat for the the modern indianapolis colts team but yeah there was um there was quite a little everybody was everybody was very positive i mean uh a lot of heels in the wwe quotes we didn't really like this is a fucking perfect heel promo which i respect a lot i do wish i could have taken them on a little bit more of a ride because i think the

ending would have been uh beautiful but i i just i enjoyed the fuck i mean when you walk out there and there's 200 000 people there the amount of energy that you just immediately feel it's like okay here we go like this is where i'm supposed to be this is exactly where i'm supposed to be and then you look over and fucking schefter. The guy pointed out was Schefter. Because as soon as I get on the thing, Schefter pokes his little head up from around somebody and goes like this. And I was like, ah, Schefter, what's up, buddy? And I look over and Eisen has like his head down. And I'm like, oh, everybody knows what's about to happen. And then I look down there at the bottom.

I look across at the bottom. And these people had no idea who I was. Down here, these people had no idea. They just had no idea who I was. Down here, these people had no idea. They just had no clue who I was. Those fake fans, they recruit from somewhere, dress them up and put them in the front. Is that what you think they were? Yeah. The Colts fans were the normal diehard Colts fans.

Okay, that's good to know. I've seen the Tony Dungy guy. Yeah, Clooney Dungy. I've seen that group before. They obviously were very excited and they could see my head from behind the stage. I was kind of off stage waiting to go out and the colts fans were directly in the and there was this one guy that was just shaking and i was like here we go man and there was a producer that was right next to me he was like uh are you nervous like giving me this whole like are you nervous type of thing and i was like uh no man no buddy come on yeah yeah man this is no

big deal and then the music started hitting a little bit and i started like i always like give like a little dance beforehand it's like i have like a full speech to myself like well here we go let's go fucking own this thing it's like a full speech i give myself before i kick any balls or before i go do any stand-up it's like uh it's like like a nice little mental reset with myself and while i'm doing that this guy is like uh 15 seconds until you go 15 seconds i you go. 15 seconds. I'm like, you got it, man. Just tell me when to fucking walk out. Jesus Christ, he's chasing board.

He was a really nice guy, though. Of course. He was a nice guy. And then they tell me to go out there. And I was like, wait, I can't even really hear the guy announcing me. So I don't want to talk over the guy. And then I hear it. And then that was whenever I saw a big-ass picture of myself.

You see me look back. And I saw a big-ass picture of myself. I was like, oh, fuck. I saw you look at that maybe like you like kind of like took it in yeah it was it was pretty cool i mean my face was i mean it was probably 15 yards tall i was like holy fuck all right here we go right before uh um i go out like probably pick 86 or 87 i'm in the back in the little staging area roger goodell is back there all the people and i show up with the my outfit and he goes this is your look and i was like oh another wrestlemania i'm about to get kicked out of here like michael cole wanted to do and i was like hey the shoes

are fucking fresh though and he was like yeah and he daps me up gives me a hug he's like you're gonna crush it out there i was like thanks man i appreciate that he was i he gets a lot of heat because he has to make a lot of terrible decisions that are no-win decisions. He was nothing but nice to me. And I think he enjoyed the hell out of what happened out there. Did they give you any parameters in terms of like, hey, can't say this, can't say that? Okay, good fucking call. So after he sees me and goes, this is your look?

And I'm in my head, I'm like, oh, here we go. I fucked it up again. I feel like I look pretty clean. We actually went to a honky tonk to get the button down because i was gonna wear a t-shirt underneath that thing well i had pants on for sure i was gonna wear pants for sure but i was gonna wear a t-shirt underneath the sport coat and it looked good like the outfit looked good but everybody during after the commissioner's forum was basically like we're gonna we're wearing suits wearing full suits and i was like, I should probably go get a button down.

So Foxy and I go walk on Broadway. We literally walk from the hotel to Broadway to a honky tonk and buy a button down day of. So that button down was bought probably an hour and a half, two hours before I go up on that stage. From Target. I busted open the fucking,

no, from a honky tonk. Oh, my bad. I literally said it three times. No, no, no. I heard you, but I didn't hear you, you know? No, you heard me. You weren't listening. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heard you, but i didn't hear you you know no you heard me you weren't listening exactly yeah yeah yeah it's kind of your thing kind of your thing happens to me all the time so i go in there uh and i have that moment with gidel and i complimented him for the way he handled himself in that forum i mean there was a lot of shit he was he was good in there and he goes yeah we got to get it fixed you know we'll figure it

out there's a lot of stuff that happens on a day basis. We'll figure it out. And there's this lady named Tracy who is a sweetheart. I guess she's the point for everything NFL. Tracy runs everything. And he's like, go talk to Tracy. She'll get you set up. I walk over. That's where all the cards are. With insert name here, blah, blah, blah.

And this, in my head, I'm like, okay, they can tell me right now. If I have 30 seconds, they can give me any rules. All they said was, make sure at some point you read this card word for word and i was like okay and then she was like good luck out there i was like well they fucked they could have she could have told me like hey there's got to be under 30 seconds or anything and then as i was just waiting out there when that guy was talking to me i was actually thinking at one point like hey they didn't tell you any rules hey they told you no rules but probably not the full baltimore thing let's probably take out unitas and peyton manning's enormous brain which i was going to say at one

point with a massive forehead i stayed away from that and then it was like a full thing they had a chance to tell you pat if they they knew what they signed up for yeah they did yeah let's fucking go and then it was the walkout thing and you took it out like, well, they had the chance to tell you, Pat. They knew what they signed up for. Yeah, they did. Yeah, let's fucking go. And then it was the walkout thing. So you took it out like 10 minutes beforehand? What's that? Like the speech? Like you fixed it up like 10 minutes before?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Right before. Yeah, and fucking the whole shot about the Titans. I mean, that wasn't ready to go. I mean, that whole thing. But I had the card, though, five minutes before I got on stage. I knew who we were drafting five minutes before we got on stage. I know.

I should have texted you guys to put some money in, trying to make some money. But the phonetic spelling right underneath it, by the way, they had one guy, one particular intern there, told me like three times how it was pronounced. And I was like, oh, my God. Fucking Ballard gives me this name. Can we just get a Chris Smith?

This kid's biggest day, right? I mean, it's the biggest day of this kid's life yeah last thing i want to do because i get mccaffied all the time and i don't love it last thing i want to do for that guy is you know okariki okariki the throwback thing that you you do to like a tribute to the old-y boxing announcing? Dave was mentioning it earlier because you say Okariki Okariki like that's the thing Bill Burr fucking loved that you did at Rough and Roundy oh the second

the second the second it was a lot of fun I got a text from a lot of people I got messages from a lot of people and that was very very incredible fun. I got a text from a lot of people. I got messages from a lot of people. And that was very, very incredible. Triple H sent me a text.

Yeah, it was cool. Told me it was good. Amazing exact words. Michael Cole, same thing. He and I are, by the way, still good. There we go. I think a lot of people would wonder that. Michael Cole and I are still good.

He found it entertaining how that story took off on the internet, though. He was like, Jesus, Pat. You did a lot of steam there. I was like, yeah, that's my fault, man. I apologize. I enjoy SVP's tweet. Yeah, hey. That was right before we were getting on a plane. There was no internet on our flight home,

so we couldn't really keep up with anything. I'm joking. That was an inside joke right there for Gorman. If it ain't running, we ain't flying. I wanted to pull that, but I couldn't. I just had to get you down to Tennessee. We had literally no other options. But before we took off, as we were getting on a plane,

hey, Herbstreet was in the JW Marriott. We got a chance to dap him up. Everybody was just so nice and so complimentary. And then I'm scrolling through the tweets or whatever, and I see Scott Van Pelt, and I'm like, hey, this guy is good. Like, I respect the hell out of him. And that meant a lot. I mean, everybody's kind words, it means so much.

It really does, because it's not always like that. My life is not always like people saying nice things to me. So I very much appreciate it. Obviously, the internet enjoyed it. I enjoyed it uh i enjoyed it you guys the boys here had a great time with sort of i appreciate you all so much for your love um let's hear how the war room enjoyed a quick conversation with chris ballard earlier today ladies and gentlemen joining us now fresh off a monster weekend where his war room was guided through the ups and downs

of the nfl draft like he was fucking aria ladies and gentlemen general manager of the indianapolis colts chris ballard chris how's it going buddy we're good thank you all right quick question um when you sent me the text around pick 81 when you were pick 89 telling me that you were trading out of the third round did that make you feel good i just i just wanted to see if i could get a rise out of you before the pick that is that is a true story we We were sitting backstage, Foxy and I were with Shane Leckler, TJ Yates, Nick Mangold, amongst other legends is what they were calling us. And we sat there for

seven hours. I mean, it felt like we were there for a long time. I felt like Brady Quinn on draft night. It was a long time back there. And I get a text from Ballard that says, hey man, we're trading out of it. And my exact response was, yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do, man. You gotta do what you gotta do, man. How did you feel? How'd you feel about draft weekend? It was good. You know, we got, I mean, look, what does every GM say? We just had a great weekend.

I mean, if I caught up here and said, Hey, we just had a shitty weekend. That would give great confidence to everybody. So we think we did good, but like anything, I mean, now they've got to go prove it. Now they've got to go play and prove it. I assume that there's a couple guys that you have targeted and slotted in certain spots. Did you get most of the guys that you were looking to get, and was it one of those ones the guys you expected to be available were available? Yeah, we do a lot of work on one we don't really care you know where everybody else has them slotted um we just

kind of take them as we see fit and as we think we can uh how they're going to help our football team so but every guy that's on our board pat Pat, I mean, I tell people this all the time. If they're up there and they're still, and they've gone through our filters, I mean, if we take them, then we liked them. So I think at the end of the day, we had 176 guys on our board and any guy we took, we were going to feel pretty good about. Urban Meyer was on Dockett's show earlier today and called Paris Campbell the next Percy Harvin. Is that the same thing you're saying? earlier today and called Paris Campbell the next Percy Harvin.

Is that the same thing you're seeing? He's pretty talented. He's athletic. He's fast. He's dangerous with the ball in his hands. So we feel pretty fortunate to get him where we have at 59. We didn't think he would be there at 59. Okay, so I'm walking on the stage to make that announcement.

What is the war room like? Is everybody quiet? Is everybody on the edge of their seats? What is the feeling? Set the room of the war room as I walk out there looking fresh as a motherfucker about to announce Bobby Okereke. So there was great anticipation because you were doing the call. And as you were going through, and it just kept building and building and building. And Mr. Ursae is just letting out this loud laugh as you're going along. So, look, that was awesome.

It wasn't just, it was, you and Reggie both, awesome. What a great, what a tremendous job representing the Horseshoe. Well, we were very lucky to do so. I can't thank you enough. I think you guys dominated the draft. And just like I said in my speech, two All-Pros last year, probably 10 this year. That's got to feel pretty fucking good.

You're getting just like Mr. Hersey. to feel pretty fucking good. That a boy. Hey, you're getting just like Mr. Hersey. You know what? No, hey, let's just set the bar as high as we can and go get it, right? Yeah. Hey, brother, we want to win six Super Bowls in the next six years. I was wondering if that was possible.

I know you've got a lot of work to do, man. I appreciate you so much for the opportunity. And thanks for giving me a name that is pretty fucking uh electric i mean bobby okariki is an electric name that's good yeah no he's good he's a good player too that's good news he's a future hall of famer i said it right there chris ballard. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And now a reading from Jose Zito Perez. Yeah. Thank you,

Pat. Don't forget to think the real pros this mother that what's up. Thanks, Pat. Don't forget to think, man. Don't forget to thank, man. Don't forget to thank the real pros this Mother's Day. Where would you be without your mom? I'm going to tell you, I don't know where I would be without my mom.

I kind of hope she taught me how to read a little better. Technically, without your mother. Yes, I wouldn't be here. But, yeah, so I'm going to be giving her some pro flowers. Oh. I got her a... They look beautiful. A one dozen assorted roses.

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Back to the conversation. How much did you enjoy the fact that Jim Irsay enjoyed what you said as much as the rest of the world did? I mean, just thinking of Irsay sitting there, though, on his seat like, here we go. Brother. Brother. I wonder if he stood up, too. He's like, I'm going to walk out of here. I'm joking.

I'm joking. Yeah, I think it's awesome. I mean, Jim Irsay has done a lot for me and my life, obviously. And affording me the opportunity to go do that announce is awesome. So I'm happy he enjoyed it. I mean, I'm happy I didn't saw him. I'm happy he wasn't pissed off. I mean, that's really good news.

We had a guy who, Jeffrey Gorman, used to be Irsay's right-hand guy. Still good friends with him. You had the opportunity to be in the war room there with Chris Ballard and the whole squad. I don't know how many nights. I know at least first round. I don't know if you were in there on Friday as well. We did Friday, Saturday. That war room, you said it was a cool time.

Oh, it was amazing watching Ballard do what he does and stuff. But I'm just going to – I'll give you some more later on that, but I'm just going to be in the specifics about when you were doing this. So I'm all fired up because I got this. This can be great. And all the TVs are sort of lower so everyone can talk. NFL Network over there, ESPN over here. And then underneath that, you've got your direct line to Nashville.

So we would see picks coming up two in front that they're going up and announcing. Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah so it's you're seeing this stuff so um so they're they get their guy okarike and they're excited everyone's excited we got to put the card in let's go everybody's clapping and stuff like this and ballard leaves ballard leaves the war room ursa gets up to leave the war room so i so i see matt conti who's you know the PR director over there, and I go, Conte, go get Ballard.

Go get Ballard. This is coming up right now. And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he goes and finds Ballard. And Ballard knew all the time he was coming back, but he knew he had a window of time. So he comes back in. Boom, somebody hits the volume thing.

Turns it up. And it's the whole room. This pick is signed, sealed, delivered. It's in in they're happy the volume let's watch the show now let's watch the show so everybody's talking about you know just talking a little bit so indianapolis goals by pat mcfee okay it goes quiet then he goes into it as soon as he starts the whole room there's 20 scouts in there there's the ursae family uh the gm and a few like me in the back row, way in the back.

And he says his first thing about Tennessee. I'm not going to say anything. I'm just a punter. But we never punted against Tennessee. He went into that. The whole room loses it. All right, here we go. The whole room loses it, okay? That's good news.

That's bad news. Because they're still laughing, all the scouts, and you can't hear what you're saying. So then it dies down a little bit, and he comes back with one. He gets another zinger in there. We hear what you're saying. So then it dies down a little bit, and he comes back with one. He gets another zinger in there. We hear it erupts again. Ballard's high-fiving people. Irsay's laughing his ass off up there, the Irsay family, and everybody. It was the most, of the three days that I was in there,

the most loosest three minutes of the whole thing. Everybody just stood up, high-fiving, laughed so hard that we couldn't even hear it. So I went in the back, and I was like, after the pick, Ursae would usually leave, but some guys would leave and come back in two minutes. I'm like, I've got to go see what the hell he said. So I went right out and tried to go hear it because I couldn't hear all of everything, but they absolutely loved it, man. It was great.

Shout-out to the NFL, by the way. As soon as I do anything with the NFL, their social media team just rips that thing and puts it out immediately. I mean, that was the check down, hooked it up with the quickness there. Shout out to ABC and ESPN not putting me on. I respect it. I wouldn't either, by the way. Just quick 10 million views on the internet. Well, Jesse Palmer had something important to say about it.

It was good. It was good, I bet. I bet it was good. I bet it was really good. Oh, yeah. So they have two different producers because ABC didn't put it up, but ESPN did. ESPN 2, I think, right? No, no.

The real ESPN. Really? Because I was watching ESPN the entire time. Oh, incredible then. ABC did not, but the ESPN that I was watching had it. Taylor Swift was on. I couldn't get it on. The new song sucks, too, so who cares?

Yikes. We don't want Taylor Swift's stance coming out. Oh, no. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. No, no, no. Not at all. No, not at all. As a Yikes. We don't want Taylor Swift stans coming in. Oh, no, here's the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not a repeat on a tag. Not at all. No, not at all.

As a Taylor Swift. Yes, I did. But as a Taylor Swift fan, I feel, you know, I've listened to her music for many years now. I feel like I could, you know, I could say if Taylor Swift has a good or a bad song. Because you are a stan anyways. What were you going to say, Fox? Yeah, the green room did exactly what the Colts war room did when Pat goes up there.

So, Pat, we're watching. We're sitting there for seven hours. Seven hours in that green room. No one. It was super crowded earlier because by the time the end of the third, it was team break. We were the only motherfuckers in there, man. TJ Yates, by the way, Shane Leckler, obviously coolest dude I've ever met.

Nick Mangold, incredible human being. A lot of beard. TJ Yates, I had no idea. Cool dude as well. He was with us the whole time. He's coaching at the Texans. One of my favorite quarterbacks of all time. Hey, cool guy. Well, he's a part of your award. Cool dude as well. He was with us the whole time. He's coaching at Detections. One of my favorite quarterbacks of all time. Hey, cool guy.

Well, he's a part of your award. Yeah, all right. Oh, yeah. And so they got TVs on, and you can hear the draft picks, but no one's paying attention, right? Yep, nobody. You go up there, whole place gets silent. Everyone's watching the TVs.

Even the fucking camera people. I watched your recording from the back, and the camera people who were just putting cameras on people, they were like, it seemed as if, because Foxxy recorded in the back to every situation back there and we watched it back because i enjoy watching shane leckler laugh because it's something i'm saying that's a pretty cool thing for me so i'm watching it and you watch these cameramen basically just like throw their camera on just like fuck it and just like and it was silent in there and i tell leckler and yates i'm like hey this thing might be like two minutes get ready and they look at me and they're like are you

fucking serious get ready and then everyone was fucking scoby scoby was back there as well with one of his boys and while they have an nfo rep comes and gets you and basically he's like hey you're about to be up you know you have to sit back there just in case there's a trade so they come and pull you up there and the guy pulls me and scoby who is a friend of mine uh he did a podcast with earlier and he did the 69 right uh 69th pick he was clever um he goes uh are you gonna be able to be better than me and i look at scoby and i put my hand up and i go scoby you might beat me in golf you might beat me in some other things but i'm a maestro on the microphone. You ain't never fucking touching me on the microphone.

And then I walk. That's how I walk. That's literally how I walked away from the group. And it was, I think everybody was excited. So what happened in the Colts war room, I think happened in a few other war rooms as well. Because I got some text messages from some people on other teams. They were like, as soon as you got on that stage everybody got quiet uh and they thanked me for bringing a little levity to the thing but i can't thank rich eisen enough no way rich eisen put me

over in an incredible fashion and on the next day of the draft he actually explained what putting somebody over meant uh because i had to text him and tell him what it meant because i thanked him it means talking good about somebody or helping somebody along the way which is like laughing at somebody's joke is putting somebody over uh talking good about somebody's putting somebody over it's a wrestling term you hear commentators whenever somebody does something they put it over like oh my god did you see what he just did it was so hard what he just did basically explaining to the layman people like yo what you're watching here is good that's putting somebody over i did to matt prater at the lions packers oh yeah you're just an exclamation point rich eisen put me over so fucking much and we got a chance to chat with

him earlier today ladies and gentlemen joining us now is a man that worked all weekend in nashville from his show to the show of shows the nfl draft balancing and making incredible calls while the nfl was deciding their future ladies and gentlemen he has a daily show where you can hear his big brain displayed on a regular basis he's the voice of the nfl from the nfl network bleacher report in a radio near you, ladies and gentlemen, Rich Isaac. We'll put a intro. Put a intro. I felt like you were going to, the only thing missing was the orangutan. I literally just got done saying you put me over so much,

and then I had to teach you what putting over meant. Yes, I had no idea what the hell you were talking about. Well, I can't thank you enough for the way you acted when I got caught on that stage. I assume there was a lot of people on the edge of their seats not knowing what was happening. You made me look good up there for that. I thank you. Oh, come on. We all knew that you'd rise to the moment,

Pat. We all know that. And by the way, you pronounced orangutan properly. You said orangutan. How many people put the G at the end? Orangutan. A lot of people say that. But you nailed it. Well, I'll tell you, hate has a way of making you learn

some things. I love that part. Like, there you are. I think I said this on the air on Saturday because it came up again. Because we had the actual orangutan moment just to bust Mayock's stones. And I said something along the lines of, so here we are enjoying the moment, you know,

busting Mike Mayock's stones and Pat McAfee sitting at home just stewing. Just pissed off and stewing. Well, I mean, it was obvious I was replaced by that fucking zoo animal, but you got to do what you got to do. You put on a hell of a show, brother. It's not easy to be live on TV for fucking nine straight hours with a lot of boring times. What was your highlight of the week?

What was the downtime? Did you struggle at all out there? No, I mean, it's just, you know, my job is just to keep it moving and connecting dots between who's on the clock and, you know, who's coming up or what one team hasn't chosen yet or what one team just chose and how that affects their roster or, you know, later on and on Saturday, you know, who's done with their draft, who's close to being done with their draft, or when you see enough players who have been selected, what that might mean for the, for the, for the schedule, you know, and how, you know, certain players might lend better to, you know, a certain game being interesting on a schedule, you know, that sort of stuff.

And then, you know, when that punter got drafted, just having fun with that in a way. And, you know, I've always been an advocate for punters. That's the whole punters are people too thing that I put on a T-shirt started when Brian Anger was drafted years and years ago. I put on a t-shirt, started when Brian Anger was drafted years and years ago. So when that fellow Wischnowski got drafted yesterday, I kind of just lost my head a little bit. I'd say that that was one of my favorite moments of the draft. It was pure, genuine happiness.

It was. Anytime it came through the TV that way, you can tell that that breaks up the monotony. I mean, okay, we got another corner. We got another wide receiver. We got another offensive lineman. Okay, this guy's got a thick lower body. Okay, ba-ba-ba.

We got another corner. This guy, quick twitch. He can do this. Wide receiver, he catches the ball well. When a punter comes up, I mean, that's time to shine there, Rich. Let that brain go and flow. And you did that in a beautiful fashion. I really enjoyed that. Well, I mean, let's be honest, Pat. You know, obviously I know who I's time to shine there, Rich. Let that brain go and flow, and you did that in a beautiful fashion. I really enjoyed that. Well, I mean, let's be honest, Pat.

You know, obviously I know who I'm talking to, and I know about the audience that we're currently talking to right now. Let's be honest. I mean, a fourth-round draft choice is kind of a crapshoot in a way. It's like, can that kid translate from a certain school to a certain level of football to a certain team that plays a certain scheme. Is it a scheme fit or what's going on off the field? Does it work in their locker room?

All of that stuff. I mean, those are the issues with a fourth-round selection. With a punter, it's kind of straight up. Like that guy is somebody with a big-ass leg or, as you like to call it, you know, they shoot piss missiles. There you go. And here they come. But honestly, what you were choosing with a punter in the fourth round, and this is fact,

what you're choosing is somebody who's so damn good that they truly can affect the game in a way that another fourth-round draft choice might not be able to. Can't get on the field. They're going to be your special teams player trying to get into a starting lineup or something. A punter, when you take them fourth round, everyone's like,'s like oh my god why would you take a punter fourth round because they can legitimately change the way you play football and that's a fact as opposed to another to another player that may or may not be in charge i mean like how many times like on a bad day for your

offense right a punter is going to get out there on average seven times, right, eight times? Yep. The number of times that a special teams player might affect a play is just on a random kickoff or punt where the action comes in their direction. Maybe. I'm being serious here. Like, I think it's not a bad pick if you're going to take somebody that can affect the way the game's played. That's fact. These are all facts I'm spitting right now. I think it's not a bad pick if you're going to take somebody that can affect the way the game's played.

That's fact. These are all facts I'm spitting right now. I agree. I couldn't amen preach is what I'm saying out here. I propose this question to a couple people. If we knew what we know now about Adam Vinatieri, is he a first-round draft pick? I think 100%.

I think he's a lock. Of course, right? I think he's a lock for first. If you know Yeah, I think he's a lock for a first. If you know the guy is going to go on to be the all-time leading scorer of your franchise, he's going to be the all-time leading scorer of the NFL, what else could you really fucking be looking for in a guy? And if this Mitch Wischnowski kid, who I've heard rave reviews about, he can kick both righty and lefty very good, he's probably going to kick for the next 10 years for them.

I think that's a good pick, smart pick, and he's going to change some games, especially if they're off it. I think you're 100% right. I love everything you say up there, Rich. Thank you, Pat McAfee. We're simpatico. We're on the same page. That's a big word.

I would say cut from the same cloth, but certainly in this regard, we definitely are. We definitely are. Fact. You know, I mean, certainly in this regard, we definitely are. We definitely are. And, in fact. Big surprise out of your guy drafting old Cousy Forelli or Pharrell, whatever. Mike Mayock pulled the trigger on that guy that nobody thought was going to. Did you find a little bit of awkwardness balancing your incredible friendship with the guy and potential judgment of his picks? Let's be honest here, man.

Okay? Let's be honest here, man. Okay? Let's be totally honest here. If Mayock was in the same role this year as he's been in the previous 15 years, he would have talked and raved about the kid, Cleland Farrell, at the Combine. He'd have raved all about him throughout the Combine, on Path to the Draft, and all the shows that he's on, Total Access.

He would have chosen him maybe in a spot higher up than anybody else in his mock draft show the night before because Mayock only did one mock draft because he frowned upon the whole concept of mock drafting and the management said basically you're going to have to do at least one. So he would always do it the night before. He would have put him in his top ten picks available in the draft. He would have raved about his high character off the field and his leadership skills in the locker room.

And what he told me on my show today is that, you know, they drafted three kids from Clemson, and the first thing he did as general manager of the Raiders was attend the national championship game that was played in his backyard, basically, in Santa Clara, the home of the Niners. He told, everybody told him they drafted three Clemson players on defense, two on defense, one on offense. Everybody told him that hands down the leader of the team

and the leader of the defense was this kid, Cleveland Farrell. So he would have been drafting, he would have been telling everybody how great this kid is. And everybody who roots for their team and is needing a defensive lineman, certainly at that position, and they pass on Cleland Farrell, they would all have been like, what the hell are they doing? Do they not hear what Mike Mayock's been saying about this kid? He's a steal. You need to go get him.

Why are they not taking what Mike Mayock's been saying about this kid? He's a steal. You need to go get him. Why are they not taking what Mike Mayock says is the guy? Now Mike is the Oakland general manager where he's not talking about anybody in public for good reason because he wants to take him. And he takes him and everybody thinks he's just lost his mind. So if it was the previous situation, we would have been talking this kid up because he's Mayock's favorite which means he knows something most people don't now he actually uses that knowledge for his own draft capital and people think he's clueless so i i i that's the way i look at it that he knows what

he's doing he has known what he's doing for 15 years. He was never totally perfect, obviously. He had Gabbert above Cam Newton on his draft board for much of the talent evaluation portion of the calendar that year because he kind of thought that Cam, the whole entertainer and icon stuff turned him off. And Gabbert had a lot of great off-the-field intangibles that he liked a lot. So, you know, that was his evaluation. Then he's not perfect, but most of the time he knows what he's talking about. And it's just this time we just hadn't heard him talk about it for two months on NFL Network. Now he's using it for his own. We'll see what happens. I can respect that, that he didn't change himself at all whenever he took the job. He didn't, no. Stuck to his guns. I respect that a lot. What did you think about Daniel Jones getting drafted to the Giants?

The internet was not impressed by it. Giants fans were jumping through tables, throwing themselves out windows whenever it happened. Mike Francesa said, well, okay, okay. I'll tell you what, I wouldn't have been picking Dan Jones at number six overall, okay? He said it was a throwaway. He said it was a throwaway year for Eli Manning.

This is a bad way to send Eli Manning out, even though I would assume Eli Manning was a part of this process and said, I'll raise the next guy up if I have to, which is what the Manning family would do. How do you feel about the Daniel Jones situation and the Internet's overreaction? Because we are in overreact season. I know.

Look, I have no idea how good he is i'll be honest with you um i hardly watch duke football this year i'm serious i'm not you know with with uh two jobs three kids uh thankfully one wife i'm not making spare time i'm not making spare time to make sure i got got to check out Duke football. And I would proffer to say any Giant fan that's freaking out, unless you went to Duke or Duke was playing your alma mater, you didn't see Daniel Jones play a Donna football either. So I don't know.

The problem for Giants fans is this is where it's born out of, okay? Because I'm from New York City, and I know a lot of Giants fans, and I know their mindset. The reason why they're freaking out, it's many different levels. One is the fact that Jets fans are thrilled about it, and it pisses them really way off. That Jets fans are Jets fans. All their brothers and sisters and fellow colleagues in their offices or,

or wherever they work or Jets fans are loving it because they think Sam Darnold is a second coming and the giants were the ones who passed on them so they could have them. And now here they finally, finally choose a quarterback. And it's a guy from Duke that nobody's ever seen play. And it's a guy from Duke that nobody's ever seen play that was chosen over the quarterback that everybody did see play that threw 50 touchdowns in the Big Ten in Dwayne Haskins. And all the mock drafts were saying was better than this kid.

And then the general manager who's pulling the trigger on this is a guy who sounds like he's straight out of the extras of Goodwill Hunting from the dreaded New England area where everybody thinks that he's been sent from New England to ruin the Giants. Because the Giants are the only team to beat Tom Brady before the Eagles could. So he's like some sort of Manchurian candidate planted in New York City to blow the Giants up. And one of the first things he does, okay, is he lets Landon Collins walk. And then he trades Odell Beckham. All right. And then this is a guy who let Josh Norman walk to the Washington Redskins, which is where Landon Collins has shown up and which is where Dwayne Haskins is going.

And these people's heads are frigging popping off, especially because a lot of these people are from a different generation that remember a quarterback named Dave Brown, who was supposed to be the guy post-Parcells to keep the Giants franchise championship franchise afloat. And the guy stunk, and he was from Duke. Put it all together, and Giants fans are not really thinking straight right now. Rich, one of the greatest runs I've ever heard in my entire life right there. I appreciate that.

A couple quick things. These are all facts. These are all facts. This is giving you the psyche, just lifting the hood up on what's going on in the brains of the Giants' Ferrari, or used to be Ferrari. They're all thinking it's going to be some sort of jalopy now, forgetting the fact that Saquon is generationally brilliant. But they're all thinking he's the next Barry Sanders, who's a great running back,

who can totally destroy you for maybe ten wins a season if they possibly can once in a blue moon because the rest of the team stinks. I have no idea how Daniel Jones is going to do, and neither do Giants fans either. They just have no confidence in the guy who's pulling the trigger. It would get sounding like he's straight out of Boston, telling everybody he fell in love with him after three snaps at the friggin' Senior Bowl. They are losing their minds. But we just don't know. The thought of Giants fans firmly believe.

I mean, I was on a team where Bill Pullian thought on numerous occasions that the Patriots were spying on our practice. Giants fans would 1,000% believe that Bill Belichick sent a guy into the Giants organization to bury them. That is something that would definitely happen. But if Belichick ever did that, he'd be smart enough to make sure that nobody really knew he was from New England. Again, this guy sounds like he's from every single Boston movie you've ever heard. He talks about his quarterback. I mean, it's a little too obvious for that maneuver in my sense. But again, Giants fans are not thinking straight right now.

They are not. We need you to move on to us. And the worst thing, oh, I forgot the last thing, too, is that Daniel Jones was used with something called a pick six. He's a sixth pick in the draft. So, I mean, honestly, there's every single aspect of this counts against this kid. And he may be, you know, Sean O'Hara on Total Access the other day said,

it's like if you put Peyton and Eli Manning in a blender and he came out this way. And he's much more physically talented in a way that, you know, you can move him off the spot. He can really move the pocket. I honestly just don't know. But Giants fans think it's the worst thing, and if it's not, then guess what? It's a hell of a draft. I saw him hit a golf ball. He hits the hell out of a golf ball down in Atlanta.

I'm excited to see what he does there. That's a metric. That checks a box. Absolutely. That's a big-time quarterback box, is how they hit a golf ball. He hit the hell out of a golf ball, and he was nice to us, so I can't wait to see how he does. I know you have to go, so let me wrap it up with this. You said the Jets fans think Sam Darnold is the second coming. I would say you would believe that Josh Rosen is potentially the second coming.

You are a big Josh Rosen fan, and I would say that Rich Eisen is the main reason why Josh Rosen conversation was so prevalent during draft weekend. You are his PR team there for a little bit. What do you like about Josh Rosen conversation was so prevalent during draft weekend. You are his PR team there for a little bit. What do you like about Josh Rosen? Do you think he's going to start over Fitzpatrick, Fitzmagic down in Miami?

There's no question about it. They've got to find out what he can do. Come on, Rich! Really? Over Fitzmagic, Rich? Are you kidding me? You know what you're getting in Fitzmagic. You know what you're going to get from him. You're going to get Really? Over Fitz Magic, Rich? Are you kidding me? No, are you kidding me? You know what you're getting in Fitz Magic.

You know what you're going to get from him. You're going to get a guy who can win at least four to six games for sure. Maybe he can win you eight to ten, possibly, if he can. But you also get a guy who is just ashamed to throw it in every possible window, no matter what size it is. He has no conscience. He'll keep firing away. He's highly entertaining.

He'll throw for either 450 yards or nine interceptions. You have no idea that sort of range of what you're going to get. But you know that's the rollercoaster ride you're going to get. He's pushing, you know, he's post, what, 35 right now. You know he's not the future of the franchise. You know he's not going to be the guy who's going to outlast Tom Brady when you're Super Bowls. So you need to find out what you're getting in Josh Rosen.

Certainly if you can pull the plug on him, if you think you've evaluated him enough and lose enough games to try and get Tua. I mean, seriously, they have to figure out what you're getting in Rosen, which means day one starter, period. End of story. And I'm not just saying that because you'd say I'm a Rosen PR guy. The reason why I was bringing it up, I do like

the kid a lot, but the reason why I was bringing it up is because we have never seen a situation like that. As a matter of fact, I think that is a fact from the vaunted Elias Stat Bureau that I heard on Schefter's Twitter feed is that we've never seen a quarterback

drafted in the first round of a draft one year and traded away the next year. In the whole Super Bowl era, we've never seen anyone like that. And not only traded away like that, but traded away by a team that has hired a coach that's never done it before and has drafted a quarterback that's not even taller than 5'11". Oh! Come on, come on! No, no, no.

And again, I think Kyler Murray could be supremely successful, but I'm just talking about having never seen anything like this before. It's a unique, it's like a unicorn situation in the draft. So the minute that they took Murray, and the fact that they didn't even trade him the first night, when you know the leverage is at the highest, I thought for sure, I had Steve come on today, I'm like, did you not have a conversation about trading Rosen before the first night? He said that he did, but everyone else tells me that they didn't even have a plan, that they just figured they'd take Murray and then the phones would ring like crazy and someone's going to

throw a fall of themselves and give first round selection for Rosen. And as it was not happening, I kept bringing it up and bringing it up because I know that he's a, he's a very talented person that a lot of people had at the top of their quarterback list last year who was available. So that's why I was bringing it up a lot in the first night. And then the second night's coming. And if they didn't trade him then, then I mean, how in the hell could they have had both of these kids in their draft room? I mean, that's impossible. So there was a lot going on that was unprecedented, which is why I kept bringing it up.

Well, I thought you did an incredible job. You are a magnificent host. I mean, I did. I did crush it. You had to do it for 12 hours. I only had to do it for a minute and 41 seconds. That was a three-minute speech, by the way, that I knocked down.

You know what? I'm glad you workshopped it a little bit. Being up there for three minutes would have been, what's the word for it? Excessive. That would have been a little excessive. I agree. Certainly since Reggie Wayne came out and did his Drew

Pearson imitation in front of them. They were not ready to hear from any more Colts when you strolled out on the stage. That was the world you stepped into, and I thought you stuck the landing. I thought the orangutan story was great. I thought it was self-effacing, as they say. But you got your point across. You nailed it, and you said the pick. You even repeated it a second time, sort of like you were spelling at a spelling bee.

You said the word, you know, Okariki. You said it twice, you sold it. You were yourself, and you represented. I thought it was great. I appreciate you so much. Go take a nap, man. Incredible work by you. I know.

You're always awesome to watch man NFL Network coverage was beautiful I can't thank you enough for your friendship and your time today ladies and gentlemen Rich Eisenman I wish I could nap I'm going to go work out man I sat on my ass all weekend and then I saw Pete Carroll took his shirt off and made me look ridiculous so I got to

get out there I got to go I got to get in there you mentioned the barbecue about six to seven times on that final day. Oh, my God. Dude, I'm sitting there. I get there at 10 o'clock in the morning, and now it's suddenly 4 in the afternoon. You know, and it's just crazy. But, you know, I was hungry.

And the smell was coming across. Oh, wait, let's talk about the band. Hold on. Yeah, what was good? You mentioned the barbecue. The line I said is the last time I'd ever been at an NFL Network set where the smell that was crossing the set made me instantly hungry was the Oakland parking lot.

Hello, munchies. Vitamins. Did you and the band ever come to terms and agree? No, we did not come to terms. We will never come to terms. It was so frigging loud. It was ridiculous. And then the selection of songs

they were playing, you know, like Lonesome Loser at the top of the draft. Like, the reason why they're at the top of the draft is because they are losers. And then before the Jets pick, they play Cold as Ice. It's like, what the hell are you doing? It's like playing Suspicious Minds at a Wedding.

You know, like, every breath you take, it's at a wedding, and it's like, excuse me, it's about stalking suspicious minds at a wedding you know like every breath you take it's at a wedding and it's like excuse me it's about stalking what is your problem you know like sometimes you have to listen to the lyrics it's not just about how good the song is the lyrics matter is all i'm saying and certainly the volume was way too much too much watching you bitch about that the whole first night that was your funny tweet. Your new favorite rivalry was me versus Ben. That was funny. I saw that one. I appreciate you, man. Have an incredible workout. We can't thank you enough. Incredible job, Ben.

Rich Eisen, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, that guy's good, Ben. He really knows what he's talking about. It's like volleyball. You just got to keep the ball up in your hand. He has to do that. And knows that Sunday was a long one.

There is a lot of no names getting drafted. And that is when you really got to watch a guy work. And he writes every pick with pencil, too. Like, he doesn't use, he doesn't have the people put it in. He actually writes it down with his little flip cards. I love Rich Eisen, man. He helped me out a lot, too. I can't thank him enough for that. Yeah, that's where you can tell the difference between him and others. have the people put it in he actually writes it down with his little flip cards i love rich eisenman he helped me out a lot too i can't thank him enough yeah that's the where you can tell the difference between him and others is he recognized what that moment was going to be yeah so he helped

make it better yeah he set you up exactly that's exactly what it is like i think trey wingo uh i guess he just kind of let it happen and then just kind of moved on i mean it's like hey trey a little self-awareness here what you just watched out there was not supposed to be dry like i'm not curing cancer over there i mean we all we all know that and rich very much i think as soon as i as soon as i walked on the stage i saw rich turn his head around and like see me and it was like i think at that moment rich was like all right here we go and i can't thank him enough for that. A little tag team there. That was very, very nice of him, man. Hey, let me ask you about Nashville.

Do you think they set the bar? I don't think they should go anywhere else. Jim Hersey said that they should go. He wants it in India or whatever. That's awesome. I think we crushed it with the Super Bowl. Nashville is built for that. It's a destination place.

The people are nice. It's all set up on Broadway. They can shut down Broadway and it doesn't fuck the entire town up it's like meant for it was it's almost it's literally meant for we learned that last year with the nhl whenever they had they shut it down for an angel pep rally it's like nashville is built for that type of situation broadway is literally set up for that type of thing and the weather is normally gonna be pretty i mean it came down on thursday night i guess but the weather is nice the people are nice good. I mean, it came down on Thursday night, I guess. But the weather is nice. The people are nice.

It's just they're used to having people from out of town come into town. I mean, I think Indianapolis is very hospitable and incredible. But I honestly, when you look out and you just see all of Broadway filled with people, and then there's just bars for people to go walk into the bar and then come back out. I mean, it's just I think you get things for people to do. There's a lot of entertainment, and the city is there ready for it it it almost feels like i don't know who's going to be able to top that they're saying vegas but man vegas is complete we all know listen we can all be straight right with each other here oh yeah vegas is a much fucking different animal

nashville is a mosey on the street city like Vegas is you go into the club, and then you stumble out of the club, and you go into a casino, and you come out of the casino. Nashville is built for stumbling on the street and being in the street. Yeah, shutting that street down is a huge piece of that. I don't think they're going to do that to the Vegas Strip. And even if they do, to get to places, you've got to walk four miles to get inside of it and then up an elevator to a place and then in. Nashville is literally set up for you to walk in and walk out of the place and cross the street

it was just it was a perfect set man live music always crushes and nashville is all live music i mean granted rich hated the particular band but every single place had live music thumping out of it so each little section of crowd that was standing out there, like the New Year's ball drop is what it looked like. They all had their own entertainment, their own bar to go to. They all had everything. It was perfect. It was literally a perfect setup. The stage was incredible, too.

I mean, I know the NFL is obviously going to go all out for that, but I was very impressed with how cool that looked. It was like a WrestleMania. It really did look like that. It looked like a WrestleMania stage. So I guess we learned from uh mangled in the back the green room wasn't grounded okay so it wasn't grounded in the back so when that storm happened so they had a their backup plan i guess was to rush everybody to buses everybody would have their own individual

like tour bus to the shimmerhornhorn Theater, which is nearby that, that they were going to continue it in the Shimmerhorn, which holds about 25,000, 3,000 people. Well, I guess the players, though, were all going to be in their own, in the back, they were going to be in their own tour buses. So they would get called from their tour bus out for the draft or whatever because the back green room wasn't grounded. So I guess they lucked out with the the the mother nature lady not bringing down any lightning but it was the way though

did you imagine oh dude it would have been fucking epic man yeah fucking it was just like the hall of fame game when i was there right and they canceled it and old david baker is that his name the big man big head very gentle giant though that guy very gentle giant He had to tell us that the game was canceled because of the field, and he feels so bad, blah, blah, blah. I would have loved to watch them have to handle each kid, their fucking crew, agents. All right, you guys got to get in this shitty-ass bus. You're late for a second.

Listen, Kyler Murray's got the nice bus over here. That would have been an awesome moment. I think the NFL hit it out of the fucking park, man. I honestly think they did. I think it was very nice. I was very lucky to be a part of it and very, very thankful for everything that happened. Now, fast forward to Sunday night.

Oh, man. Hey, the Battle of Winterfell was awesome. Awesome. The curse is reversed, by the way. There you go. Here we go, Bruin. Curse is completely reversed. I tweeted out that not a single member of the Stark family would die in the Battle of Winterfell,

the longest cinematic battle in the history of TV or film, which I'm not sure if that's accurate, by the way, after watching it. There's a lot of walking around. When you piece it together, I think it probably was. I mean, they're not going to make that statement if it's not accurate, I guess. But the NFL, there's 100,000 people here. Pick 16, there's 150,000.

Commissioner shuts down round one. Over 200,000 people here. I guess they had, I asked Adele about it. I asked Adele about the particular numbers because I thought he could have potentially seen my tweet mocking the numbers. It was like a WWE number, you know, like they started throwing it out. I guess they had somebody

take pictures and then they would count the amount of people in each area that could be held in each area and did all the math. So the numbers were coming in through the night, literally, and that's why they said over 200,000 people at the end of the night. It was packed. Packed.

When you walked out on that stage and looked out, it just looked like a sea of humanity. It literally did. Speaking of seas of humanity, I don't think the Starks or the crew had the best idea on that war. Terrible battle plan. I don't think they had a good plan. From what I've been told, because I've been watching every episode of Game of Thrones. Oh, yeah. A long time now.

A long time now. I even knew that Arya had been around the show for a long time. Yeah, you knew who she was. Yeah, I even knew that she was a child at one point during the show. I absolutely knew that. Of course I did. I'm a big throner. Huge.

I get in a Game of Thrones Twitter thread every single Sunday nowadays. Biggest throner I know. Was the Battle of Winterfell the first ever episode I watched? Possibly. Possibly the first ever episode I've ever watched in my entire life. But let's just talk about it. No Starks died. Spoiler alert if you haven't watched it.

No Starks died, and that was an incredible piece of cinematography. Incredible. Good move by her. I mean, hell of a move. Well, as someone who's watched all these episodes, too, you will know that the characters in the show don't always make the best decisions. So it's not really that surprising that their plan

was pretty flawed. Terrible. Yeah, flawed. And I mean, for what, six years now? They've been saying winter is coming. Like, be prepared. Oh, that was it? Winter came.

Have some fire. That was winter? That was winter that was winter finally settling in that was the long night I had so much touch because of all the

like six years in winter's coming winter's coming I never see it and then epic battle here comes winter fucks the whole point that's been the rally cry

for a good while they've been foreshadowing that since season one episode one I thought winter came all the time no no you saw it

you saw the whole show. Yeah, man. I knew it. I knew that we've been saying this whole time winter was coming. And God damn it, I was there for the blizzard. Yeah. They were not prepared. Dragons can't fly in the snow.

It was very interesting how they refused to use the fire breathers there for a lot more of the battle. Yeah, I agree heavily on that one. Yeah, like why were they flying them all around? Just fucking turn. You know what those things, they look like athletes. Just turn those things around and let's go back another line. Well, you've got to remember, as a guy who's seen all these episodes, they did kill one dragon with the ice spear from the Night King.

So if you get too close where you don't know where he's at, he's going to take you out of the air. So one guy can huck a spear and now we're worried about a swivel. Be the better athlete. Exactly. You can't take a left or a right or dive down or go up. I mean, come on. They were playing scared. They were playing scared. the better athlete. Exactly. You can't take a left or a right or dive down or go up. I mean, come on. They were playing scared.

They were playing scared. Agreed, for sure. They can't. I mean, there's still battles to be won here. They can't afford to lose any more of those dragons. Hey, one game at a time. Exactly. You prepare for the one game in front of you.

Exactly. It's a seven-game series here. You have to win the game right now. Yes. In my head, you have to win right now. Use your dragons right now. So you can be in the next one. Which they did.

Because there was, by the way, it was getting awfully close. There was no more fucking battles. And those dragons, just like an avatar bird, were about to be fucking ridden by a guy with no eyes or blue eyes or whatever the fuck he was. You look like them dragons were about to get stolen because there was a couple of suspect moments in there

where I didn't think they were going to make it. Everyone might have died. A lot of people bitching about not being able to see anything. I watched. That was my first episode. I saw everything. Yeah, you did it. I saw the whole damn thing.

Yeah. I thought, yeah. And I felt like it was a pretty good move because they wanted us to feel like probably what the soldiers would be feeling. Yeah. They can't see. It's chaotic. It's chaos. Yeah.

There wasn't enough talking for me. A big talking guy. I heard the night guy never said a single word. No, he doesn't. They don't speak. Gosh. Their voice guy never said a single word. No, he doesn't. They don't speak. Their voice is like cracking ice. Oh. Let's go. I mean, it is a real

big loss for Westeros just because everyone knows that's the best arm Westeros has ever seen. Great heel, that guy. That night game was a great heel. That's incredible. I mean, his plan was a little off, too. His generals, like, where are they at? He got cocky. That's incredible. I mean, his plan was a little off, too. His generals, like, where are they at? Well, Arya ran right through us.

Yeah, he got cocky. Hey, good for Arya, by the way. She had a fucking good weekend. Yeah. Was she 14? Yeah. Had her first sexual experience with a 30-year-old blacksmith? How about that?

And then the next day kills the Night King? Hell of a blacksmith, too. Yeah, cool little move with the fucking little ship. Oh, yeah. The little pass. the fucking little shift. Dropping a time. Dropping a thing down and catching it. It was like I did with the pen.

You know what I mean? She got to catch that from the right side. See, there's little stuff like that that's really sweet. She actually did that move last season, training in the courtyard. And it's just like a throwaway at the time. You're not even thinking about it. And then, boom, she uses it later. Well, and if you remember, Brain gave her that thing. He did. Back in the past. You know what even thinking about it. And then boom, she uses it later. And if you remember, Bran gave her that thing.

Back in the past. If you remember. I remember. Bran gave her that thing. A couple seasons. In that exact area too. In the godswood. In the middle of the woods. Underneath their unobtainium tree. Which is what that was.

It was a... Night King. Completely invincible, man. The little switch of the hand. How warriors can lose, Todd. How disorienting was it watching it for the first time? It was insane. I had no clue who was doing what.

I mean, I was asking a lot of questions. I was like, wait a minute, who the fuck's this guy? And they were like, oh, he's somebody, the guy with the other, not Jon Snow, the other dragon rider. There's a guy named Jorah. Yeah, Jorah. Jorah.

Jorah, I guess, really, he just wanted to, he always wanted to have sex with that lady. Yeah, he loves her. And then he died protecting her. So he went down in valor. The ultimate friend zone. Good for that guy. Yeah, for sure. A lot of people said that.

I had a lot of questions. I didn't know who was on what side. I didn't know the whole thing i had a lot of uh when the lady was praying for the the trench to start on fire i mean ring of fire right there was a pretty magical moment yeah and then they just they put all the dead bodies just on there and then walked over top of them like you would do if there's a barbed wire fence and you're pool hopping yeah very smart i don't know how they didn't think of that earlier to be honest i had. I don't know how they didn't think of that earlier, to be honest. I had a lot of questions on why people didn't think of things earlier,

but I guess that's why it's TV and not real life. Well, they were just standing there, and then the Night King was like, he saw it, and he's like, oh, let me send this little mental message. Hey, check this out. Also, these are great ideas, and this is an eight-season show. Not many great ideas throughout this entire show. I listened to the writers and the directors afterwards. They did a little 10-minute roundtable,

and it was cool listening to them talk about everything and why they decided to do things. And watching the internet, too, just explode about every single move was pretty crazy, too. I mean, a lot of people are upset about a lot of things that fictional people are doing. Those Throners, man. Those Throners are getting way too dialed in.

They'll get you. I was laughing my ass off, and I just thought this was good writing, but the whole front line when the black magic lady lit their swords on fire, and they were all feeling good, like, we got fucking magic swords now. And they just ride off, and then it just gets real quiet.

And then they turn around, and then you see horses start running back. The fire swords aren't running! I running back. The fire swords are running. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot. That little girl went up there to that big giant. Yep. Good for her.

I didn't fully understand the giant. I didn't fully understand what he was. So that lady is the Jorah Mormon guy, the guy that you're curious about. That lady happens to be his cousin, his younger cousin. Is that who it is? Yes. So, you know, good battle, really, for all the Mormons. The writers said that she was only supposed to be in one, his younger cousin. Is that who it is? Yes. So, you know, good battle, really, for all the Mormons across the board.

The writers said that she was only supposed to be in one scene. Yes. And then they met her. She was such a badass. So they had to keep her in there, and they thought such a little person going out, taking out such a big person was a beautiful way to close her character. I enjoyed listening to them talk about

why they did what they did. I really respect and appreciate that. I think Daenerys struggled. She struggled. She did not impress me. Very poor military commander. She doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. Sansa looked bad, too, I thought.

Okay, which one's who? She rides the dragon. Oh, the blonde-haired lady? Yeah, she was disappointing. She wasn't great. No, not at all. Jon Snow, also not that great. No, and he's never...

I mean, he's a main character through the entire thing. Connor was wishing his death the entire episode. Oh, absolutely. Connor was wishing his death the entire episode. He just wants everyone to die. It's not good to him unless people die. No, Connor wanted to be right. That's what Connor wanted to do.

No, no, no. I know Snow's dying tonight. And then Snow was in the middle of something. I think it was Dragon on Dragon contact there with the Night King, and they were about to go sword to sword. And Connor's like, he's dead right here. I know it. I know it. I know it. I've said it. I've said it. I think it was Dragon on Dragon contact there with the Night King and they were about to go sword to sword. And Connor's like, he's dead right here. I know it. I know it. I know it. I've said it. I've said it. I'm alive still.

Yes. So here's the thing. Great synopsis. That is basically exactly what happens mostly when you're just hanging out with me more because it sucks. But Nick, here is the thing, Nick. I want Jon Snow to die. I love Jon Snow just as much as Zito does.

Snow is a great, great man. Do you have a Jon Snow snort? Because Zito has a snort. Okay, you're right. I love Jon Snow a little less than Zito does. There you go. Correct? But you did want him to die.

Nobody really died, right? Theon died. He ran right into that fucking shit. Not yet. Yeah, great death for Reek. I mean, hell. Watch him out. That guy is just throwing fire arrows around everywhere.

He did. Good for him. He literally looked like Hawkeye. I think the Starks kind of left him out there to die, by the way. Yeah, that's the point. He was supposed to die. Oh, Theon was a sacrifice. So he basically fucked over Bran.

He grew up in Winterfell and then sacked the castle, killed a bunch of people there, renounced it. And then so his whole journey has been like coming back there to fight and die for the Starks. Oh, and he did, by the way. Yeah, he did. Oh, so when he sprinted at him, he knew he was going to die. That was his character coming full circle for sacrificing himself for the Starks. That's why when Bran said something about your whole life has come to you, you're a good guy.

Come on. Got it. You're a throner, man. It makes sense. It does make sense. A brain kid. Not enough credit on the internet. They say he was the biggest waste of a character in the history of characters. I'm like, what are you talking about? That guy, if it wasn't for his eyes

rolled back, these motherfuckers aren't showing up. Yeah, and he's also calm, cool, and collective under the insane amount of pressure. I mean, he's looking the Night King in the eyes. Only guy probably ever to do that and live. And also, let's not forget how hard it would have to be to get a wheelchair all the way out to where he was. So tough. Back then. Winter is there.

Winter did arrive here, though. I got a couple questions. I've seen a lot of these episodes. I mean, Pat's only seen one more episode than I have, so that's all I'm saying. I'm right there. I saw a pretty big one, by the way. And I only saw one Sopranos episode, by the way, and it ended in that dinosaur. I'm glad you brought that up. You gotranos episode, by the way, and it ended in that dinosaur.

I'm glad you brought that up. You got it, too, by the way. A couple of questions. What's bigger? HBO Sopranos, HBO's Game of Thrones? Game of Thrones. Let me tell you why. It's strictly because of social media.

Okay. If social media was around when Sopranos was around, Sopranos, bigger show. Okay, next question. Is this the last season of Game of Thrones? Yes. Okay, third question. Why?

I mean, it's a fucking worldwide. They're going to make a movie. They're going to make a movie at some point. There's already a prequel show. They're doing prequels. They can't pay everyone, honestly. It's too expensive. Just like the NFL.

You've got to let your players go when they get too expensive. HBO is also very good about making sure shows end on their own terms when they should, whereas Showtime drags shows out two or three more seasons. And that's why Marvel sucks. Eastbound and down. They buried eastbound and down. But look at the decline in the quality from the first season to everyone after that. I feel like the first one was so much better than the second one.

You're talking about eastbound and down? Yeah. Yeah, I'm just're talking about Eastbound and Down? Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying HBO buried Eastbound and Down. So what you just said about HBO being good about ending things or whatever they did, I think Eastbound and Down probably won a season too much. Yeah, I think that's true. Flight of the Conchords,

they probably should have stopped it right after season one. For sure. Okay, well, there's two examples. But aside from that, I'd assume HBO's... Yeah, HBO's very good about doing that. Because The Sopranos, same thing, that could have went a lot longer, The Wire. And those creators were basically just like,

no, fuck you. We told the story we wanted to tell. It's over. There's nothing more to say about it. So they respect a little bit creative integrity. Yeah, exactly. Instead of just kind of sucking something dry. But a movie studio can buy the rights

or somehow that's in... Not buy the rights, but whoever HBO's in bed with, I'm saying, there's got to be a feature film coming in two years from now. Medellin. Talk about Medellin. Medellin. Medellin?

Sold. Do you know what that means? I know what Medellin Cartel is. Yeah, but Entourage, all they did was just keep teasing that this movie... The movie Medellin. Yeah, it but Entourage all they did was just keep teasing that this movie the movie Medellin okay yeah it never came

never came but the Entourage movie did yes and it was great good movie loved it Entourage another one should have won less seasons

yeah for sure for sure definitely but HBO I think isn't scared to end a show I'd say drama's much more than comedy they'll let the comedies

that's the thing yeah well it's probably because the comedian writers by the way are like let's fucking drain this motherfucker. Drama people are probably a little bit more hoity-toity. We've told the story. Well, that's another thing. It costs more to produce dramas than it does comedies.

True. With these writers, specifically on this show, they've stated very clearly that they want to go on to do other things. They're almost kind of sick of the show at this point. Wow. Same with the actors. 55 days to film just last night. I mean, I get sick of that fucking shit too. What, one minute a night?

It's because they shoot everything on location, and that's why it looks so good and visually stunning. You always hear that. But it takes a lot of money and a lot of time and effort to coordinate all that bullshit. It was a good show, man. It was a good battle. It was a good battle.

Why did you want John to die? We didn't get to that. Honestly, I'm kind of- Just because he said he was going to die. It was strictly because Connor said he was going to die. I didn't want to be wrong. Well I'm kind of- Just because he said he was going to die. No, no, it wasn't- It was strictly because Connor said he was- I didn't want to be wrong. Well, no, no.

Here's the thing. That's exactly what it was. But no, but come on, guys. I mean, hold on. You guys know that I also have been running around this office saying every single person's going to die. So I'm going to get, you know, I'm going to shoot at least 15 for 20 here, no matter what. So if Snow's one of those five that doesn't die, awesome, because he's my favorite character.

Now, what happened- The entire episode. Yes about the entire episode? Anytime Jon Snow was shown on the screen, you were like, this is it. You were literally speaking out loud. That had to be tough to watch with. It's very bad. I didn't know anything that was happening.

It was potential that it was the last. I just assumed, yeah, he's right every single time. But then we got 65 minutes into that thing. I was like, all right, this fucking guy can't say this every goddamn goddamn time he was sprinting after a night walker with a goddamn sword there and they bring everybody back to life or whatever the newly deads yes i like that i probably should have watched it early i probably could add a lot more yeah last ever newly dead stuff last ever last ever newly deads yeah good call uh but every single time he said it until that point i was was like, Connor

literally has no clue what he's talking about. I don't. When it comes to this guy. Of course not. Also, if you're going to kill Jon Snow, you have to do it on the final episode. You couldn't kill him an episode before that. Yeah, so what happens next? They got to go after Cersei. Oh, we're going south, baby. She's the lady who looks like Hillary Clinton. Yes. She's got a full army.

Full army. Brand new. Well, if she watched any film from last week, her army is going to outsmart the shit out of the a full army. Full army. Brand new. Well, if she watched any film from last week, her army is going to outsmart the shit out of the Starks army. That army. She is clever. She's tricky. That's what she relies on, those type of tricks and schemes. Does she have a dragon?

No. She's got no fucking shotgun. What do we even? Still got a dragon left. She's got a big bull. Are both dragons alive? She's got a weapon for the dragon, though. Yeah.

It's Team USA versus Angola, but Angola has 25,000 people. And a giant crossbow. Yes, and a giant crossbow. That can kill dragons. Yeah, but a crossbow only shoots one arrow at a time, right? Bingo. That's a good point. So you've got to burn that thing down.

Listen, just like I don't want to start patting myself on the back too often, but a Bleacher Report video came out about Avengers Endgame. Oh, yeah. Spoiler, you can go ahead and fast forward the next three minutes. We're going to talk about that movie real quick. I've seen one episode of this whole Avengers thing. I live tweeted it. We all know that.

Which one was it? Infinity War. The Infinity War. I saw old cousins do all their shit. They did their thing, the whole thing i watched it i understood quickly i was then asked super bowl week radio row so this is february i was asked by the bleacher report folks uh how do you defeat thanos i only watched one movie one time not 11 years worth of films here from the Avengers and Marvel and whoever it is that made it. And I said my answer that is on the Bleach Report video if you'd like to see it.

And it turns out I should have just wrote the fucking movies myself. Yeah, probably. It turns out I should have just wrote the movies myself. Oh, yeah. Everybody started showing up in the comments section of these videos saying that I know I must have recorded this after the movie was released. That I must have talked to a writer. One person

said I talked to a Avengers writer before I gave my answer. All those things. And what I'm saying is sometimes movies can just be too predictable. And these multi-billion dollar movies just seem to be too predictable. So here's a Game of Thrones spoiler for next week.

One of them dragons is going down. The other one is burning down the fucking crossbow. And then they're all fucking dead. And it's over. And I think Arya is probably going to do another one. I think Arya is going to have another big moment. I think they're really building up old Arya to be something special here, if I had to get. And that's our prediction.

That's a spoiler. Cersei's the only name left on her list. She has a list. And a lady said something about blue eyes, brown eyes, and green eyes. Bingo. And I guess old Cersei's got the green eyes. Green eyes. And the priestess lady said, you'll end them all, or over them all, or something like that.

You'll close them all. Yeah, Arya's definitely going to do that. Spoiler. Lock it up. Jaime's going to kill it. More anticipation. Game of Thrones, Sunday night, or the Avengers movie release for this room? For me, it's Thrones.

Thrones. Thrones by a billion. It was Thrones, but Avengers was awesome. It was great. You saw it? Yes. Okay, so you liked it. I loved it. Nick loved it as well. I thought it was great. It was a perfect... Someone called it a victory lap, and I love that.

It's like a great way to close out a lot of those characters' storylines. Zito, how'd you feel about it? I absolutely loved it. Okay, Connor, how'd you feel about it? I hate victory laps. If you can watch one of the 80 movies they made and then tell you how it's going to end,

no thanks, I'll watch Thrones. So Connor hated the movie strictly because I predicted exactly how it was going to end. It's a pretty bow under the Christmas tree that the five-year-olds go down and celebrate Santa at. I'm okay on that Christmas tree. I'm out. Oh, I don't like the superhero movie because the good guys won at the end. No, that's...

Spoiler. Nope. There you go. Well, we already said that. I mean, everyone with a brain knows that they're going to win. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So you might as well take some guys down with you. knows that they're going to win. Exactly. Exactly. So you might as well take some guys down with you.

By the way, speaking of spoiler, down in Perth, Australia on Friday night, a teenager got the piss beat out of him by the group that was going into the Avengers movie. LeSean McCoy. Because he was doing spoilers on the way out. Same thing happened to LeSean McCoy. LeSean McCoy almost got ruled off of Twitter because he...

Oh, he was chirping. Can't be doing that. Put some spoilers out on the Twitter. Yeah, and I saw it before I saw the movie. I was not happy. Still cried, though. Still great. Still cried. I mean, what's the spoiler rule, Tony? What's the spoiler rule for movies and TV?

I say, so like Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones is a live event, just like a football game. You live tweet Game of Thrones. A movie's different. I give a movie two weekends. If you can't go see it the first weekend for some reason you have a second chance to go see the second so what happened in the avengers one i can't i can't spoil it that's all the internet out there you gotta fucking jack the rock question about game of thrones real quick uh so for live tv how does that work for west coast they went a lot the game of

thrones i think is six o'clock west coast so i I don't think... Like, a lot of things, they air at the same time. So that's literally every country. Yeah, people are all watching it at the same time. Worldwide. Which, good idea, by the way. A lot of the people that don't do that are absurd. The people that don't release tickets at the same exact time... The Kardashians won right against the Battle of Winterfell to launch their next.

I don't think she knew. Hey, Kris Jenner, normally on top of it. Normally. Normally, Kris Jenner has a bigger brain than everybody else on planet Earth. Just going head to head there with fucking Arya. I think it's smart. Why? In four weeks, what are you doing on Sunday?

Not watching Thrones. That's when you start their season. Thank you. That's when you start the season. But there's still a void that needs to be filled. So what you just said is not right. Well, yeah, but you watch those four episodes that you missed because of Thrones, right? Right away in a week.

This was probably like the most talked about TV episode ever. Ever. Yeah. Would have stayed away from it. Still a bad movie. If I was them, the spin zone here is, amongst themselves, is if they do bad, which they might have been planning to do bad, it's, oh, we were going against Game of Thrones.

That's like a good way to maybe extend another season, not that the Kardashians. That's not a bad idea. Bad episodes out of the way. No, not even the bad episodes. I'm just saying, let's say they've kind of fallen off a little bit. Let's say they don't have as good of ratings. A good excuse would be like, well, yeah,

we were fucking going against Battle of Winterfell. What do you want from us? And if they do good, we were going against David Bowles. Yeah, exactly. Battle of Winterfell. So maybe Kris Jenner. I think Kim owes me money. For the TV show alone, Kris Jenner was like, god damn it. The two youngest ones have no personality.

So when the other girls get too fucking old, the show, they were hoping to carry that torque. Yeah, you tweeted at Kim Kardashian that she owed you money. Why is that? So let me pull it up here real quickly. She put out a post at 9.27 a.m. this morning. It was her wearing this pink jumpsuit,

and it was just a bunch of emojis. And I said, leak exclusive set photos from the upcoming Power Rangers movie literally one minute later. She then deleted her original tweet and then put up a new one that said, and the caption was, Pink Power Ranger Kimberly.

Whoa. Okay, there's a buzz. T-Bone, you're like friends, huh? I don't know, T-Bone. I don't know. I don't know if she owes you money, but you definitely should try to get into the writing there at the reality house. That's where I need to be.

That's where I need to be. Good for you. I'm just saying, like, I mean, how much do you think one of her tweets is worth if it was a sponsored post? Millions of dollars. They sent that Firefuss documentary, didn't they? Yeah, but who knows if those are accurate. I mean, honestly.

She could throw me five. $500? $5? $500. $5,000? knows if those are accurate? I mean, honestly. She could throw me five. $500? $5? $500. $5,000? Any of those work. Anything. Do you think, were you the only one that said Power Ranger?

I thought about checking that, but I was 60 seconds in. I'm sure maybe she has a lot of followers. Maybe 300 people said it, but if I'm one of the 300. Yeah, but if you see that, right? You were a part of the wave that she was like oh much better caption here boom boom boom bang good for you look at you in the kardashians yeah yeah i hate that you're influencing the influence yeah look at you influencer your your favorite influencers favorite influencer yeah hey someone's got to be king of sorority Twitter.

I mean, it is what it is. Not yet. Yeah, you haven't got in there. They're on to me. They're getting the crown out, polishing it. I haven't seen a lot of effort. The draft weekend kind of took you for a little bit there, though. You've got a couple days left.

I tried Thursday night. Sometimes it's deflating. It's tough. Hey, sorority Twitter comes and goes. No judges, though. No judges. No judges. Exactly. It's a judgy-free zone. Listen, getting a tweet to go viral is notating. It's tough. Hey, sorority Twitter comes and goes. No judges, though. No judges. No judges. Exactly.

It's a judgy-free zone. Listen, getting a tweet to go viral is not easy. It's not. It's not easy at all. You've got to be brutally honest. It honestly isn't. I mean, so you trying to get in sorority, I mean, sometimes you're going to have to swing at some things.

Some pitches are going to look like fastballing. You know what they're going to do? They're going to break off the motherfucking plate. And you're just going to be sitting full there, swinging and missing. But at one point, that hanging curve is going to sit up there. And you are just going to take it out. And sorority Twitter is going to do a victory lap with that motherfucking thing. And it's going to go.

Just in the meantime, it's a real tough look for me. No, no, no, judges. I think everybody that's following knows what the deal is. It's very obvious that your tweets are meant for one very particular purpose. Mimosas, baby. Also, it's more difficult now because the people know and they're commenting, and the comments are probably preventing the sorority girls from taking off. You should see it.

There's a lot of comments, a lot of no-judgees comments, and then a lot of, oh, look Oh, yeah. And then a lot of, oh, look at dicks. A lot of, oh, look at dicks. But the people that are retweeting that in the story Twitter, they don't read the comments below. No, no, no.

That's true. No, they just, that thing just goes. I don't think the comments are going to be the death of you. No, they see the Greek letters and then they retweet it and then on to the next one.

I have to change my name. Yeah, you got to be, you got to be alpha, alpha, alpha. Yeah, exactly. Theta, beta, eta, whatever it is. Tony Tridelts, probably. The voice of the sororities. Info, no judges.

No judges. The workout community is behind you, too. What else happened? Anything else happen? We had some basketball. We had some basketball. A lot of traveling. A lot of people talking about Harden getting fouled all the time.

He's got to stop jumping forward. He jumps like six feet forward. I mean, big Jim Harden. We all know he's 6'5", but he can't be jumping five feet forward. Kevin Durant is unstoppable. Really, really good. He's incredible. It's going to be fun to watch next year in New York, boys.

More like Seattle. That's what I said. I think Seattle gets a team back, and he joins them, and then I like Kevin Durant again. They're going to get a team in three months? Yeah, like in three weeks. Can he turn around? Well, how much does it cost? Kevin Durant's got, what, half of what it needs, right?

Let's just do that and then just pay him a ton of money. I would love a team in Seattle. It would be fun. Those fans get after it. I think Seattle would love a team, too. 12s get after it, man. An expansion team in the NBA right now, I'd have to think upwards of $800-900 million.

How much? It was like $650 for an NHL team for Seattle. Seattle also, a very expensive place. That's at least a billion. At least a billion, but you know what's a good thing about that? Northern California, Oregon, Seattle, there's a lot of fucking money over there.

Somebody would want to jump in. And a basketball team with Kevin Durant on it in the first season probably goes to the finals and also probably makes like a billion dollars, right? Yeah, I would assume so. Except for the finals part. Except for the finals part, but still probably pretty close. I don't know if you get Kyrie over there. If you get Kevin Durant and Kyrie,

I'd say that team's probably going to go to the finals. Or Zion in four years. What are you calling them? What's the team name? The Seattle, I don't know. There's a minor league baseball team called the Vibes. This weekend they released their new mascot. It's a fucking

s'more. It is electric. It's my new favorite, I think. It has a little flame going off the marshmallow. It looks good. It's a good look. It is a good one. In my head, Seattle immediately thought of weed. Of course. I mean, Washington, I'd be disappointed if they don't bring back the Supersonics.

It'd be a bummer if you thought of Washington. Yeah, I'd assume they could. Unless Oklahoma City bought the name, they would have to sell it back. I mean, Gary Payton and Sean Kemp are pretty scary dudes. I don't think anyone's going to stop them from calling it the Seattle Supersonics. I would expect that a lot. The vibes. He looks like the Kool-Aid man, but just a marshmallow.

Yeah, he's awesome. I like him a lot. Anything else happen? No. I ate a lot this weekend. Nice. I was fasting until the draft and then I ate a lot. Now I got to get back to skinning again. It's good. It happens. Still clean. The brain feels a lot better, by the way.

Yeah, it's an interesting thing. No, it's just faster. Everything's just much faster. Funny how that works. Thanks, you know. I don't think you even know 22 man it's 22 no it feels a lot faster i haven't been this way for a long time you know what i mean i mean i've been on the vitamins pretty heavy for a couple years the good thing about it is it can take your brain into places and perspectives you normally wouldn't deeper but it is But it is slower, for sure. It's a lot slower.

It's nice. We've got some massive news potentially breaking here in the next couple of days, which is pretty cool. Somebody could potentially be back in the Brinks truck up here. Probably not, though. Probably not. But potentially. Potentially. I think Friday might help some things out.

So thanks again to the NFL and the Colts for letting me do that and the NFL Network. Appreciate you so much. Rich Eisenhop, Tyler Bensley. New OCW tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Yep. New OCW tomorrow, which is going to have people talking.

Let's go. I'm excited for that. Last week's got over 250,000 views across all platforms. For sure. Which is hilarious. I had to go to battle a couple times on the internet with some wrestling folks. Let them know we're a real promotion. Oh, yeah.

Hey, use that hashtag. And we are for sale. For sure. Absolutely. We are for sale. $10 million post-taxes. Post-taxes. If you want to buy OCW, the newest, hottest wrestling promotion on the market we are for sale 10 million

post taxes so depending on where we set up our business and where you're from depends on the initial offer you have to make a hell of a deal anywhere from 16 000 to 20 000 probably if you doubt that evaluation yeah if you doubt the valuation like you a lot of you probably watch the first one you're like well they that's it they're of you probably watched the first one You're like well that's it They're never going to outdo the first one Wrong You are fucking wrong The first thing

Pat and good old Ty Schmidt said was Worst call was the devil match So I mean you have something to look forward to It gets better So a little inside baseball The devil match was the last one we recorded What? On the first devil match was the last one we recorded. What? On the first night.

It was the last one we recorded. So everybody was a little bit tired by then, crowd included. This next one was the first one we recorded. There is some juice in the room. OCW comes out tomorrow noon-ish, depending on how long it takes to upload. And aside from that, i hope you guys have an incredible day thank you so much for all the love on the internet i can't thank you guys enough

for myself at tom mccomis at digs at nick marado at hey gorman at hey gorman on instagram at viva lazito at boston connor at evan fox and at ty schmidt we are so thankful for all of you you're the greatest ty sch, hit the music. You know a plan to a full house, house No heroes, villains, one to blame While wilted roses fill the stage And the thrill, the thrill is gone Our debut was a masterpiece But in the end for you and me

Hope this show, it can't go on We used to have it all, but now's our curtain call So hold forth the applause, oh-oh-oh-oh And wave out to the crowd, and take our final bow Oh, it's our time to go go But at least we stole the show, at least we stole the show At least we stole the show, at least we stole the show At least we stole the show Thank you. At least we still go Darling, darling

You know that we are sold out This is fading But the band plays on now We're crying, crying, so let the velvet roll down Down No hero still has won the fame While the dead road is built, the stage has the thrill The thrill is gone Our debut was a map to please our lines we read so perfectly but this show, it can't go on

We used to have it all, but now's our curtain call So hold forth the applause And wave out to the crowd And take our final bow It's our time to go But at least we stole the show At least we stole the show At least we stole the show

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