The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 072 - Inspirational. Entertaining, And Magical Tuesday. Jon Dorenbos, Ellen DeGeneres' Friend, Joins Us

Episode Date: May 14, 2019

On today's show, Pat is joined by 16 year NFL vet, 2x Pro Bowler, ambassador For the Brand, and now a world renowned magician of America's Got Talent fame, Jon Dorenbos, joins the show. Pat and Jon have an incredibly entertaining, enlightening, and inspiring conversation that covers Jon's hardships growing up, his journey from junior college to being one of the most respected long snappers in the NFL, to his career after football being an accomplished magician. Jon leaves no page unturned, all while doing a couple of magic tricks along the way (2:44-57:15). Next,  Pat's former teammate, 2nd round pick of the New England Patriots, and one of the smoothest athletes of all-time, Darius Butler, joins the show to give his reaction to the insanity of the last few days in the NBA playoffs. He recaps the games from this weekend, looks ahead to the Conference Finals, and gives his prediction for the NBA finals. He also gives his pick for a team to watch in the NFL this year, and talks about what he's been up to recently (1:02:12-1:18:21). We also have a NEW SEGMENT ALERT called, "I Have Some Thoughts." The guys also dive into a SPOILER HEAVY discussion about everything that happened on Sunday's penultimate episode of Game of Thrones, and try to make sense of it all  while looking ahead to next week's series finale (1:37:01-1:52:34). Today's a great one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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A little bit of magic and a shit ton of inspiration you're gonna walk away from this going wow that guy is incredible because that's what I did honestly and I've known him for about six seven years now it was great then we chat with Darius Butler about the NBA the NFL and all things happening in his life he was a corner in the NFL former second round draft pick of the happening in his life. He was a corner in the NFL, former second-round draft pick of the New England Patriots, played there for a little bit, bounced around to the Carolina Panthers,

then became an Indianapolis Colt. Good teammate of mine. Great dice player. Also incredible at NBA analysis. Ain't that right, Zito? Oh, yeah. Zito and I just put together a Zito production with the help of Ty Foxey and Frank Mirado here. We're at the office very late night. very very late night here and even though we might be sleep

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I thought you were going to make cards appear there from your hand. I'm going to be honest. A little bit disappointed. I think the whole room is a little bit disappointed there. All right. Ready? Oh, I did it right there. Ace, ace, ace, ace.

That's insane. Stop it. We don't need it. All right. Enough. Let's get to it. Can we please? Where'd it go?

Where did it go? Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now from his house, he has an incredible fan on the ceiling in the background. There's four lights on it, but that is not the biggest light that this man has stepped in front of in his life. You've seen him on America's Got Talent where he placed third, should have been first. You've seen him on the Ellen DeGeneres Show numerous times.

He's a friend of the show. He was on the eagles for like 45 years as a long snapper i was very lucky to befriend the man he's his life is one that's both inspiring incredible and to be honest only getting started uh for the brand man magician both with cards and in life john dorenbaugh gosh dang man can you travel around with me with that intro hey i should i should i got a chance to see one of your shows here in indy you're one of the most inspiring humans on earth it'd be an honor to share the stage with you my man oh dude i do remember that that was fun well it was we showed up as the show was starting it was like a hour and a half show we literally had something to do we had to leave i couldn't catch up with you afterwards but let's talk about it right now your life has transitioned in a

beautiful fashion a lot of people whenever they leave the game of football or professional athletes they have no clue what they're doing you've taken the bull by the horns here and i think america's got talent is where it all started? Well, it actually started years and years and years before that. See, to me, the deal was every year I played in the league, I thought I was going to get fired or cut. So I literally thought every year I played was going to be my last year. And so every offseason, I would go perform, and I would go tour around,

and I would do whatever I had to do with these guys right here. And sure enough, I just wanted to, and probably like yourself, I just wanted to have options when I was done playing. Whether I wanted to do that or not, I wanted options. And for me, it wasn't about the money. It wasn't about anything other than having purpose and having a lack. I didn't want to have an identity crisis, which is what I saw in locker rooms. When guys were done, they spent their whole life, games over.

Even if they're financially stable, it was an identity crisis, right? It was a lack of purpose. And to me, that's what kind of led to some of the depression issues on top of the CTE and all that. I get it, but I just didn't want to be that guy. How did magic enter your life? Because everybody, maybe not everybody has watched America's Got Talent. I've been very lucky to be able to chat with you personally about it all. Magic was really something that you leaned on in your childhood, which wasn't always as smooth as one would hope a childhood would be. Yeah, so I was 12 years old.

We lived in a Brady Bunch family in Woodinville, Washington. My dad was the president of the Little League. He's my favorite person. My mom was my hero, and she volunteered and taught this reading program at the school I went to and made learning cool, and all the kids liked her. And so I came home after playing at a friend's house when I was 12 years old and found out that my dad had murdered my mom. He turned himself in the next day.

My sister and I went into temporary foster homes, a foster home, I should say, for about a year, year and a half. We went through the most intense therapy you could possibly imagine. And then eventually we moved down to Southern California where we moved in with my aunt's, my mom's sister, my aunt Susan. And in that transition, I saw the world's greatest magic on television. I stayed at a coach's house for a little league thing and met a 16-year-old magician named Michael Groves. And he actually showed me the first trick I ever saw. Blew my mind. I thought it was the greatest thing ever.

And literally from that day forward, I've shuffled cards and done magic every day of my life. So, by the way, you should have never had to go. You and your sister should have never had to go through what you went through as a 12-year-old. It's amazing what you've been able to accomplish because a lot of people could have used that as an excuse, by the way, to kind of bow out. You've chose to do the complete opposite and be a shining light in the

world but the cards really were like a therapy thing for you how did football get involved so hey this is great so people ask me what's your favorite sound in sports right and and i'll be honest with you it's so is it two helmets hitting is Is it the golf club? The basketball hoop? Dude, this right here, bro. Just listen to this. Come on. Oh, look at that bridge. That's the sexiest sound ever. And these were my outlet.

These were my buddies. Everywhere I went when I was a kid, I could... I'll be honest with you, Pat. I completely forgot your question, so... I said the cards were therapy for you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yes yeah and these were these were my outlet and then you start oh little waterfall shuffles but it was an it was this idea that i didn't even realize it at the time till i was older if i picked up cards and i shuffled them if i did things with these guys uh they they never lied to me but these guys always told me when i was wrong and i never felt alone and when

i had these cards in my hand when i would sit at a table i would light a candle and i would turn on yanni's greatest hits track number nine i know it's either that or john cicada i chose yanni that's all we had and who the fuck what the fuck is that i don't even know even you've never heard of yanni come on man no way no way would i know what that is that music or is that a dvd is that a magician who's that i think i should just bow out of the podcast and uh i don't know if we can be friends anymore have you heard of john cicada uh he's an italian fella obviously uh he close he makes uh music yeah yeah yeah yeah of course all right we're going to ignore the fact that you don't know who Yanni is and continue with the interview. But you said these things were a therapy to me. This is what I hope people can find is an outlet like this that I had. These were my solitude. These

were my peace. When I had to grow up at a young age and I was bouncing around and I lost both my parents. If I sat down and shuffled cards, the whole world around me just silenced. Everything around me just stood still and I was just a kid. And I didn't have to worry about growing up at a young age. I didn't have to worry about moving. I didn't have to worry about all these problems. I didn't have to worry about therapy. This was something that just chilled me out, man. And so even to this day, if I have an important decision to make, I sit at a table, I shuffle. And usually when when I stand up from the table I know the decision I want to make just based on shuffling these guys so it was an outlet it was a therapy and I hope everybody in this world has something similar that they can sit back and just escape turn it off shut it down and just let the mind go

and uh so then you asked me football I think yeah not I'm just going to go ahead and segue my own interview into that no I respect it I got into football. This is great. My buddy, Kevin Johanson, he basically came up to me. He's like, yo, dude, we're in high school, right? Freshman in high school. Hey, you want to play football? And I'm like, no, not really. You know, you can hit that guy and not get in trouble. No, we're talking. Okay. Yeah. I'm in. Let's try this. And boom, that was it, man. I loved hitting people. So I could go home at night and sure enough, I could shuffle cards and just kind of be at peace, right? Listen to Yanni, light my candle. And then during the day, I would go and play football. And Pat, as you know, there's like a huge adrenaline, there's a huge rockstar feeling, there's a huge aggression release in that game.

And so I had this balance, right? That just kind of balanced me during the day. I could hit people, not get in trouble. And at night I could shuffle and it was just, i found myself through those two things interacting with one another how'd you do in school were you good in school or was it kind of uh you know my wife and i were just talking about this because we're having a baby and congrats by the way congrats by the way congrats to you and your beautiful bride by the way yeah baby very pumped up about she's literally due any day like she's literally about to pop so we're super excited but you know we're talking about parenting right and uh you know she kind of had her her fun in high school she wasn't a bad kid at all ditched every once in a while and i was like i never

ditched class and she's like perfect because when she says she's going somewhere and she's not i'll totally be able to call her out because you don't know that world i'm like perfect this is great um but as a student if i liked the class i was really good um history it just wasn't my thing so i barely passed but other than that i was like a b student i would say and you went to college and played football right i would assume what was your baby so uh so here's the deal at a high school i didn't get any offers right all right team mvp tackles all this stuff not like, man, come on. Didn't even make all the... made no sense to me, but I'm a little bitter at that. Still not in my high school Hall of Fame. I don't want to talk about it.

Hey, me neither. To hell with them. You're not either? No. Oh, dude. It's bad for the brand, but hey, whatever. We're going to start our own Hall of Fame. That means nothing to anybody but us. No Hall of Fames mean anything. What's that? Hall of Fames awards, they don't hall of fames awards they don't mean anything no no they don't um unless you're trying to get an endorsement deal and get paid more money

which whatever anyways um true so i uh i'll be honest with you i completely forgot the question you just asked me again i'm college don't worry about it college where'd you go to college oh yeah yeah so uh here's the deal at a high school school, I was going to go to a JUCO. And, you know, we have Cerritos, Long Beach, Palomar. I mean, the number one JUCO conference in America at the time was here in Southern California. So I chose the stellar Golden West Junior College. At the time, they were 0-30, which means they hadn't won a game in three years. And here's my rationale, Pat.

If I can't play there, I can't play anywhere. Hang it up, right? So I said, hey, if I can't play here and get on the field, then what am I doing? So sure enough, I went to golden West, got on the field every play, which is what you got to do to be seen, right? You got to get yourself on film. And, uh, we had another stellar year at Owen 10, which means the school went Owen 40, uh, which let's, let's look at the positive here. I'm an optimistic guy, uh, became the longest losing streak in college football history, and I was a part of it.

Now we're talking. Yeah, but it's a record. I got a record. So thank you. No problem. Proud of you, man. Yeah, man. So went to Golden West and played a year at JUCO

and then transferred to UTEP. Okay, so you go to UTEP. What are you, a linebacker, tight end? When did you start long snapping? Well, so I did it my senior year in high school, and I was decent. I wasn't good. I was decent. And then I didn't do it when I went to Golden West.

And my buddy Paul Tessier went to UTEP. You know, that's just when the internet was out. You still had to dial in, like, you're on, you're on. The young kids don't even know about that. But it would take, like, five minutes to get online. And I remember Googling the Sun Bowl, and I remember the stadium. I was like, oh, my gosh, this is so rock star. So they needed a long snapper.

So I just finished my freshman year at Golden West. And so I borrowed, if you will, some footage of some other players on my team. And this was two VHS tapes, right? You put the wires in the back, play, pause, record. You'd have some static in between. And I took my highlights. I did. I was a linebacker and fullback. And I did pretty good but nick heinle was a beast i was 47 he was 48 both white guys

both looked the same he was i mean he literally knocked people out so i was never that guy so i thought well i'll just borrow some of his huge hits and uh and this is before hey look this is before hd cameras this is before you had 30 cameras at practice this is before you had those automatic cameras that just follow one dude the whole time so like you could barely see anyways so i was like i'll just borrow them and you know in my mind that's how i play so now you got me running with the receivers me making open field tackles making the reads taking on the pulling guards. And then you've got him just blowing people up.

Like, he literally knocked himself out on two hits. I use those, obviously. And so – and then I was like, man, this dude Tim Thurman, this guy's a beast. I mean, you know, he's a great long snapper. He's 6'6". He's better than I ever was in my career. And UTEP needed a snapper, and's 6'6". He's better than I ever was in my career. And UTEP needed a snapper, and I was lacking snapping footage, if you will.

I'll just borrow some of those clips. And, yeah, I literally sent a film that was comprised of three of us. I had some of my high school snaps on there. And then anything in the junior college realm was Tim. And, like I said, money. The dude was money. And like I said, money. The dude was money. And so it worked. My God, John, I'm just thinking of this high school coach thinking he's getting the next fucking Lawrence Taylor.

This guy is just crushing people, running with wide receivers. He's a fullback knocking people out. And he's a 6'6 long snapper. This guy has a dream come true. Coming to UTEP. And you just do a little sleight of hand, no you get to you well go ahead so it's interesting um i uh and this is this is true um i cut it so you can see the snap but you wouldn't see tim stand up that's right but but now here's this is where i felt that I wasn't wrong and this is for all the kids out

there I'm not saying lie I'm not saying cheat I'm not saying steal but I I do think I believe that I was good enough and I knew I could play and I knew I could do it I just needed the opportunity so you know I've had people and reporters over the years say well didn't you feel guilty I'm like well I mean I ended up being a 14 year pro, so I don't know if like – obviously, I knew I could do it. It's just a matter of I needed the opportunity, and I wasn't getting the exposure that I needed. I wasn't getting the chance. I don't think you should feel –

So I just look at it more not as conning the system, but more as creating an opportunity that I knew I could deliver. If you can't deliver, you're hosed. That goes nowhere. You're screwed. You can get yourself in the door, which you did, but the ability to deliver is what kept you there, and that's what made you get to the NFL.

So the Philadelphia Eagles, was that your first landing spot after your UTEP experience? Oh, no, dude. This sunny California kid, where else would I want to go than Buffalo, New York, baby? I didn't know you were at the Bills. How long were you at the Bills? Well, so here's what happened.

I go to UTEP, and the Texans called. They come work me out, and they're like, hey, we're going to draft you in the fifth round. And I was like, oh, my gosh. Now, Ryan Pompriant was Cleveland. He was a draft pick out of Rice, and he was a long snapper, pure long snapper. Phenomenal, by the way. The guy was unreal. And he actually went down as, I think, number 70-something, 78 top 100 picks in Cleveland Brown draft history

as a pure long snapper. That's cool. Let's go, yeah. Yeah, that's good for the brand. Great for the brand. So I ended up getting a call from the Texans. They're going to draft me in the fifth. Oh, my gosh.

Me and my buddies at UTEP were around the TV. Fifth round comes, and the Houston Texans select not John Dornbos. And I was like, what? Are you kidding me? So Green Bay called. I had some free agent offers. Green Bay offered quite a bit of money up front. And my agent's like, look, dude, Rob Davis is there. He ain't going nowhere. I'm telling you right now, just don't take that job. Buffalo, they're going to give you three grand up front. It's going to be your job to lose. And if

I were you, I would take that. And I was like, wait, take less money? He's like, look, I'm going to give you a piece of advice. Take time over money don't worry about the money it'll come you have a chance to make this team so take it and so i did man i took that three g's baby 1700 bucks after taxes i went to utep to stampede i slammed that thing on the bar top and said bartender can my boys drink for free yeah yeah we're talking yeah that next morning I was like, shit, I wish I had that $1,700 right now. But it's fun. How long were you with Buffalo for? Two years.

And I was not very good, man. I mean, I literally was awful. I mean, it was so bad. I didn't even do field goals halfway through the year because I just – I was not very good, dude. The weather, I still was trying to figure out – well, this is an important note. I was still trying to figure out how to snap the same each time.

Yeah, yeah. Right? It was kind of a learning curve, if you will. And really, the reality is this. And Pat, wait. Pat, what was your rookie year? 09. Okay.

So mine was 03. And 03 was just about the year that teams were designating just long snappers. And so it just so happened that I was better than some of the guys coming out of college but had that been today i would have never made it no way because the snappers now are so much better than i was then i just i fell in an era of the game that was the right time and i was good enough you need to give yourself a lot more credit for a lot of things when i got a chance to watch you snap at philadelphia you incredible. A lot of people don't know this. And here we are about to break down some cultural myths that have all been founded around Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, and Dan Marino.

The laces for a field goal is not on the holder. It is on the snapper. That is what the snapper is judged upon, to be honest. Every snap to be the same. Let's keep the laces facing forward. The holder, Dan Marino, because of Finkel, was getting blamed for this whole thing. In the world, we just always thought laces out, Dan, laces out, Dan.

That's on the long snapper, especially now in the age of long snappers, long snapping professionally strictly. Am I correct, John? Well, here's the deal. You held, right? Yes, sir. Yeah yeah so this is obviously the opinion of a holder no no come on i would like to hear the i would like to hear an answer here let's break down the myth for mace mcchristen it is well it wasn't necessarily an 03 you just

wanted a guy that could get it back there but as this progressed uh absolutely dude so so snappers are judged basically on accuracy speed on punts and then on field goals it's basically location and laces a hundred percent yeah now a lot of holders like it over the spot which means if the kicker's here and his foot you can't see the ground but let's say his foot's going to swing here a lot you know some holders want the ball here so they can just go straight down over the spot you know when i was in the northeast the weather was so bad that we kind of learned a lot of holders would rather have it more into their shoulder a little bit. So if they fumbled it, it would hit their body.

And that's just a product of being in Buffalo and having 60 degree side wind and blizzards. But yeah, so I basically figured out that my ball spun three and a half times. And if I hit the same spot in the same speed, same, you speed, same everything, the holder would catch it. And now I'm not going to – I can't take credit here because obviously this is a football. These are the laces, obviously. He's holding up a lighter, a like bonfire lighter, one of those Extendo lighters. If you want to be a great snapper, practice with these. So anyways, if this were the laces, Pat, this is interesting.

My ball actually didn't come at a perfect 12 o'clock, which is laces forward. Mine came at like an 11, between 10 and 11 o'clock, so it was a slight turn, but worked in my favor because you would catch it, and a holder would have a natural progression of that. Yeah, absolutely. It would rotate those few degrees. Look, I had really good holders, man. Sav Raka was amazing. Brian Moorman, amazing.

Craig Hentrick, amazing. Donnie Jones, amazing. Dirk Johnson, quite Detmer. I had really good holders. Because here's the other thing, Pat, that I'll say. Though the laces are the responsibility of the snapper, it is the holder's responsibility to have consistency in the location of which he catches the ball. You guys get so excited. It's your moment to shine shine you're on there on one knee you think you're cool

you want to reach for it you want to let it come back well if you you know explain this to people that's a big deal okay so i i would like people to understand though that the long snapper only gets talked about when he messes up and normally the holder only gets talked about when the laces aren't great or a kicker misses the ball but the amount of precision coming out of the hands of a long snapper people have no idea about the ability to make a ball spin he said three and a half times every single time it was a three and a half time spin so that he knew exactly where the laces were so that an operation can be under one, two, five, every single time. I think long snappers deserve a lot more credit. I think I was trying to give you guys more credit,

even though it was appearing, even though it was appearing as if I was trying to get the heat off of the holders, long snappers are a, a very incredible specimen of specialists because the ability to repeat that action on numerous occasions is something not everybody can do. Well, you know, I was obsessed with just that, right? And this goes back to learning magic. It was this idea of doing something over and over again until it looks absolutely maybe good enough, maybe perfect, but it's in search of that perfect rep every single time. This is the thing in life that I love. Like when I was a snapper, I love to go practice punt and field goal.

And field goal for me more because there was a little bit of kind of like uh touch to it there's a little bit more art if you will to it there's a little bit more precision but the idea of doing something over and over and over and over in search of a perfect rep just to be able to do something anything it doesn't matter and make it look cool. Sometimes you mess up, sometimes you don't, but it isn't necessarily the exact move. It's the process of getting to it. It's the journey of it. You're always in search of a perfect rep, and whether you find it or not, at times is almost irrelevant, but what you learn about yourself, the resiliency, all that is to me what came into it. The fact that I loved magic as a kid, the fact that I loved tediousness, the fact that I loved doing something with repetition over and over and over, I think that contributed to why I kind of had success as a snapper

because just like kicking, it's the same motion over and over and over. Well, those listening, you're going to have to check the YouTube for what just happened. He just turned an eight of diamonds into an ace while speaking through that whole time and thing, and then he flipped out five cards from behind his hand somehow. I mean, he just basically correlated his two professions perfectly in one explanation there. And I think the tediousness of the, uh, snapping and of being a specialist and of magicians is not something that everybody has in their thing. How many hours are you able to

spend practicing a new trick or do you ever get tired of it? Like right now, magic has become a job for you. Are you sick of it? Do you still love it? Do you find yourself wanting to escape and do more magic? You've got an incredible bride. You're about to have a child. Is that distracting? Like, I just want to know about the ability to still get better as a magician, man. I just want to know about the ability to still get better as a magician, man. You and I are both really lucky that, you know, for me, I had a medical issue that ended my career. For you, you walked out completely on your terms. But both of us still had something we loved to do.

And I believe this. This is cliche. You can say what you want. But if you do what you love to do, man, you don't work a day in your life. If you work for yourself, you don't work a day in your life because you love it. These guys right here, man, I get to spend all day every day doing card tricks and doing magic and selling out theaters now, which is amazing. So am I sick of it? Hell no. Do I love it? You better believe it. See, now here's another thing I'll say as a snapper. It isn't the most academically challenging. And for me i love the the creative process i

love using my mind i love uh you know even you know i learned how to fly a plane and i loved relearning weather and geography and all this stuff so uh that never gets old i learned oh yeah i'm a pilot as well but i don't uh look i don't did i did Hey, was that pretty smooth? How I subtly mentioned it never gets old. I'm super excited now, but here's what kind of, it doesn't get stressful. And Pat, you might be able to relate to this because you're in the business of content. You're in the business of entertainment. You're in the business of, of similar to me, but I can have time between my shows to really think about stuff. But, um, you know, I did, I did America's got talent and, and every time i was on it i blew my own mind like oh my gosh that was amazing oh my gosh i'm going to the next round oh my gosh i got two weeks to think of something better and you're constantly having

to one-up yourself and now with the saturation of youtube and all the magic stuff that's on tv now people's expectations are so much higher people's exposure is so much higher and oh been there done that oh seeing that oh so you got to kind of of one up yourself as well as everybody around you. So I learned this. If I rely solely on the trick, then you get lost in that world, right? If instead I create something that's really cool, but I create a relationship with the audience that they care about me and who I am, then the trick is a tool. And now all of a sudden I can take a coin or I can take a card and make it disappear. And I can get a standing ovation, even though they might've seen that trick a million times because they're involved. They're emotionally involved because they care because maybe they're learning something. Maybe we trigger an emotion. And so

when I perform, that's what I try and do. Create really cool stuff that triggers an emotion and takes people on a journey. Cause that's what magic did for me. and takes people on a journey because that's what magic did for me. Oh, it's starting to heat up, isn't it, Zito? Oh, yeah. He's starting to really dive into some things. He did four magic tricks before I could even blink my eye before the thing even started.

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So does Billy. Billy puts in a lot of hours. Billy does a does Billy. Billy puts in a lot of hours. Billy does a great job. Billy McComas is Todd's child. He puts in a lot of hours back here in the corner. Doesn't speak to anybody. And when he does, it's very low pitch. I've been trying to teach him to speak with a little bass in his voice. But all I know is when he gets on the YouTube

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I'm very happy that you lied your ass off to get into UTEP, which led to Buffalo and you sucking there. And then you ending up in Philadelphia. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I went to Tennessee. So I got cut from Buffalo. Not only that, but I made final cuts. So, Pat, think about this. I made the, no. I went to, I went to Tennessee. So I got cut from Buffalo. Not only that, but I made final cuts. So Pat,

think about this. I made the final cut. I'm good. And as in the NFL, if you're on the roster Tuesday at four o'clock, you get paid for that week. Yeah, you do.

I got cut. I kid you not Tuesday at three 55. You weren't even worth a one week. I mean, I was like, um, now look, I wasn't really good, but the bottom line is I'm like, oh my gosh, I made final cuts. You're too. This is amazing. Okay, cool. Then I get a call at Tuesday at like 3.30.

Hey, John, just wondering if you can come down to the facility, just come say hi, I guess. Pretty quick, too, by the way. If you get down here in less than 30 minutes, that'd be great. Yeah, here's the deal. I always live within a minute and a half, and if I run a red light, I'm there Pretty quick, too, by the way. If you get down here in less than 30 minutes, that'd be great. Yeah, here's the deal. I always live within a minute and a half, and if I run a red light, I'm there in 48 seconds for a strategic reason. I like to sleep.

So I lived really close to the facility, and they knew that. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so I got cut. I didn't go to training camp. Kenamato was a snapper in Tennessee, really good for a long time. And he got hurt, so the Titans brought me in. I played like nine games in Tennessee really good for a long time and he got hurt so the Titans brought me in I played like nine games in Tennessee loved it then I got released and didn't go to training camp

didn't go to an offseason which was awesome by the way and then I didn't get picked up the first few months and then in October again the Titans picked me up because Amato got hurt so I filled in and then I got released which was okay but my friends are like John you realize this is the greatest side job ever you work like eight weeks a year in the league. You make good money. And then you just dick around the rest of the year. Like, how do I get this gig? And then I was like, dude, you know what? This is like actually I'm not going to any off seasons.

I'm not doing training camp. I'm playing a few weeks a year, which as your years start getting up, you start making good money per game. So I'm like, dude, if I could literally – Pat, think about this. If you could play like five weeks a year, I mean. Lock it in. You know what I'm saying? Lock it in.

Dude, you get all the retirement benefits. I'm sitting there going, gosh, now how can I, like making the league was cool, but how can I be like the five-week-a-year guy? You know what I mean? I'm not trying to make Pro Bowls. I'm just trying to be the five-week-a-year guy. You know what I mean? But you end up making Pro Bowls. Tennessee cuts you trying to be the five-week-a-year guy. You know what I mean? But you end up making Pro Bowls.

Tennessee cuts you, lets you go. Do you end up in Philadelphia after Tennessee? No. So, again, I got to think about that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, a couple weeks went by, and Coach Reed called with the Eagles. And this is a cool thing, man. What's not really?

This is not really bad. Their snapper, Mike Bartram, great dude, broke his neck. Sad. It's sad. That's not a cool thing. I mean, it was for. Sad. It's sad. That's not a cool thing. I mean, it was for me, and he's okay, so it's a cool thing. He got a call from Bob Stull, who was the athletic director at UTEP when I was there. Let's go.

Bob Stull gave Andy Reid, I think, a big break in college football as a coach, and then Coach Reid coached at UTEP. So I literally go work out with another name that you'll know here. You remember John Kondo? Hell yeah. I played over 10 years, man, a pro bowler for Oakland. So literally literally go work out with another name that you'll know here. You remember John Kondo? Hell yeah. I played over 10 years, man, a pro bowler for Oakland. So literally it could have been him or I. And Andy Reed walked out and said, hey, Bob Stoll called me,

said you're my guy, said you're good for the locker room. So guess what? Do what you want. You want to run, run. You want to work out, work out. But I'll tell you what, if it ain't there on Sunday, you're fired. I go, coach, you and I are going to get along. I'm not going not gonna run but it'll be there on sunday that's what i told him and andy reed and i man we've been buddies ever since and uh i i'd run through a brick wall for that guy man

one of my favorite coaches i ever had and sure enough i i stuck in philly for for 10 dude can i tell you one do i have time to tell you one story yeah go on man we got nothing before i before i go to philadelphia before i go to the great city of, I was about to say state of Philadelphia, city of Philadelphia, the Seattle Seahawks call me to work out. I believe it was Bob Castillo was the special teams coach. Okay. Rumor is they called him Bucket Bob.

So now I grew up in Woodinville, and my mom is buried in Woodinville, which is 30 minutes north of Seattle. And so my early childhood was that. So to me, I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is a calling. I'm literally going to go play for the Seattle. I always wanted to be a Seattle Mariner. That's what I wanted to be. And playing the Kingdom, which was torn down,

but Questfield was actually built on the grounds of the Kingdom, which is just as good. Sacred grounds. Let's go. What's that? It's sacred grounds. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah i was stood where ken griffey jr stood and jay buehner and edgar martinez all these guys would

have been amazing so i go i'm feeling good about myself i do a workout and then uh basically yeah and it was uh who who is the the really tall dude from miami before denny ed uh um i couldn't even guess ed perry yes that's before your time. Yeah, of course. I think they took Ed Perry. He was a great player and much bigger than me. But long story short, Seattle basically had the gist of, you're too small. You're probably never going to play in the league again.

Oh, man. It's a low blow, man. It is. But, hey, honesty. So I ended up signing with Philadelphia. I'm proud to say that in 11 years, Philadelphia had one snapper that played in every single game, 162 straight, baby. Let's go!

I believe the Seattle Seahawks went through, like, I don't know, five, ten snappers in that ten years. So sure enough, I'm on the field, some of the Seahawks, now the Eagles are playing the Seahawks, and it was one of my free agency years, and I said, look, dude, just save yourself. This dude right here is never coming to Seattle because I'm too small for you guys. So I'm just going to stay here in Philly and just rock on, baby. Hey, go fuck yourself, Bucket Bob.

Yeah. Yeah. So I ended up being in Philly. And now, look, I'm going to, can I throw out, can I spit some wisdom real quick to these? Love it. Some of the listeners, because I try and literally, when I do a show, I try and make it super entertaining for an adult, but I also try and talk to my 14, 15, and 16-year-old self when I was lost. All right, let's go. I wasn't the best all the time. I wasn't. I wasn't the

most athletic. I wasn't the fastest. I was undersized, but if you're out there and you want to be something and you want to do something if you stay on the path and you just stay focused you show up every day on time and ready to work the people around you are going to fall off the path for whatever reason it doesn't matter but they're going to start jumping off and eventually my goal when I was in the league when I was with the Eagles is I wanted to be the oldest player on the team and people thought that was that that's random yeah but if I'm the oldest player on the team then I gave myself so many opportunities to have success in what I love to do oh you want to win a Super Bowl great well but if I'm the oldest player on the team, then I gave myself so many opportunities to have success in what I love to do. Oh, you want to win a Super Bowl? Great. Well,

what if I won one the next year and then I got cut and never played again? So if I was the oldest guy on the team, I'm good to go. Now to do that, you want to surround yourself with people that lift you up. But here's the deal. You also want to become a teammate that your team would hate to lose and every opponent fears. And I believe that. And how you do that is you basically be kind to one another, work hard, make yourself so valuable, not just on the field, but in the locker room and to sponsors and to anything in your business, be somebody that people want to be around. And the next thing you know, guys like Andy Reid, who have some pull are going to keep you around because you do your job, you get it done, you show up, they don't have to worry about you. You hold yourself accountable.

So therefore they don't have to hold you accountable. And they know that they would rather ride and die with you than maybe somebody that was athletically better than you or faster than you or had to sport science get the fuck out of here man no oh john your hands are too small from peak you did shut the hell up dude all that stuff's out the window man you show up you give everything you got every single day and you make sure that the people around you want to see you succeed because they care about who you are dude i'm gonna tell you right now did you see my post for draft week it was probably the greatest post i was about to run through a wall right there i mean i was literally about to run through a wall right there i want to let you know you're you're like motivating me right

now as a 32 year old man you're talking about motivating 14 and 15 year olds i'm about to run through that wall right there so well thanks bat so well no i'm gonna have to fucking pay for construction i mean it's kind of your fault it's still worth it so worth it no but but literally look i'm trying to follow your lead on social media and be more active in it but uh which by the way yeah for all your inspirational needs go to at john dorm boss on twitter at john dorm boss on instagram and www.johndormboss.com. All right, here we go. So anyways. Incredible plug. Incredible plug. A little shameless plug. I wish I had like, what is it?

Who's one of your sponsors, man? I need to get like a. SeatGeek. SeatGeek's a good sponsor. Okay, there you go. Just pretend like that said that. We can edit that in. We'll edit that in for sure, Foxy.

Yeah, just go ahead and cut that whole thing out there. No way. We'll edit in SeatGeek right there on that card. Oh, yeah, perfect. Yeah, for sure. But, yeah, man, it's a matter of I had success truly because, one, I think I had balance in my life. I think football was not my end-all, be-all.

I didn't put my whole life into it. And then the offseason, I'd perform, and I had balance. But that took pressure off me. I knew that if football didn't work out, I would figure out life. Right. And so, um, and then I just showed up every day, man, I showed up with a smile on my face, wanting to work. I was super thankful for opportunities. Uh, you know, when I lost my family and I went through therapy, it was this moment of having this, um, um, sense of pride in my name and sense of pride that I never wanted to be babysat. I never wanted to have somebody look over my shoulder. I never wanted to be the guy that was always late. And so, you know,

you take that and you put that, you know, in your mind exponentially, man, happiness is a decision. It's not an emotion. It's a choice. How we think about ourselves, how we talk to ourselves, how we view ourselves, that's something that happens here. And so we get this right. All of a sudden we leave the house the same way we talk to ourselves here is the same way we talk about the world out there so uh get your head right and uh man keep on keeping on rock on and guess what you you can be like pat and i which are two slapdicks doing what they love to do entertaining people and having fun and changing the world one person at a time but it just takes a little bit of effort a little bit of sacrifice and uh sure enough man do you

hear you and i are do you say all this on your instagram like this is classic i dude honestly this is is this not i mean this is this is a lot better than no no here's the deal i was just will farrell in old school and just went like that and then now i'm back in i don't even know what i just said well listen you need to will farrell that and get your beautiful bride just go ahead and pop a camera on you and then send it over here to Foxy and just put some captions on it. You're going to be the next big life coach on Instagram. Let's go. Everything you just said there was real, first of all, because you're a genuine dude.

Motivating as hell and true. I think those are all three. That right there, that's what you call a recipe for success on social media there, John. That's what you call a recipe for success. Quick question for you before I let you get out of here, because I know you're a busy man. First of all, first of all, for you, Pat, I got all the time in the world, man.

So if you're going to kick me off your show. I'm not. Just tell me you're kicking me off the show. No, no, no, I'm not. Don't blame me for it. I honestly thought you had something to do today. I thought you had something to do today. No, I'm just kidding.

Go ahead. So I got to meet you because Henry Baskett, who was a Philadelphia Eagle, he's a special teamer there for the Eagles, came to the Indianapolis Colts. And after the first season there with the Colts, he had a golf outing in New Mexico. Pierre Garçon and I fly out there. I am gone by the time I get there. I mean, we were partying very hard on the plane very very

hard me and pierre i think we had an entire southwest flight like we gave shots to everybody on the flight i mean it was a great time electric time we arrive we get there hank meets me at the hotel or whatever at the resort and uh i'm like yo what's going on man we're having a good time here he's like everybody's kind of hanging out in there. John Doerenbos, snapper for the Eagles, is doing magic. Go say what's up to him or whatever. I was like, okay, Hank. Like, I'm not a 13-year-old. I don't fuck with magic.

I'm going to be at the bar. Yeah, who wants to hang with the magic? That's what I said. I said, I'm going to be at the bar over here. You know, just kind of let me know. And he was like, no, please come meet John. And I walked in. Literally, I walked directly in, and you were holding court at this table and i sat down and i was loud and interrupted everything i'm like what's

going on man and you're like hi i'm john i'm like oh what's up i'm pat and you started doing magic you did like six tricks back to back to back blew my mind so much i got sober i was like holy shit this dude is a real magician this shit me and pierre were like sitting next to each other like are you seeing this shit it was incredible and ever And ever since then I just knew. And I think my, one of my first things I told you is like, why are you still long snapping? Like you are such an incredible magician. Why are we even risking these hands being injured at all? You can do things that are just amazing. Then we made a pro bowl a couple of years later together. I saw you at the pro bowl where you were blowing

everybody's mind in the green room during the Pro Bowl draft. And I think I said again, why are you even long snapping? Like, go fucking do magic. And then now you've got a chance to really conquer both worlds.

It's incredible to watch you kind of blow up and take over, man. So I've had a great opportunity to get really cool quotes from celebrities, which in the entertainment business, relevancy over time,

you know, celebrities stamping you is great. in all my career and i've been able to do a lot of cool things i think that's the best quote for any performance i've ever done my magic was so cool it sobered pat mackenzie i mean that's it blew my mind i walked in there ready to go i was like like, all right, 72 hours, just going to be laid out here in the middle of New Mexico. You got time for probably my favorite trick of all time. Yes. One of my favorites of all time. So here's the deal.

We're going to take a pencil and a dollar. Now, this is something I learned as a kid. And it's this idea that you can take a pencil and go right through the center and just kind of like bicep. I don't know if they, can the camera see that? I don't know if it's off a little bit. Yeah, we can see it. Okay, cool. Check this out. I learned this trick when I was a kid. And what's ironic about this is when I was a kid and I was learning magic, it was kind of a time when my life was kind of upside down.

And with all seriousness, uh, I love the idea of tearing things and putting them back together because that's what I was doing with my life, right? Things were getting torn apart and I needed to put myself back together so i love this and and hopefully you can hear this but listen and just as good as new now to me that was gold now check this out a lot of people they they see this trick and and the ears kind of fool them right because uh they think that they hear the bill rip which is which is cool um i got a buddy i got a magician that i'm a fan of his name is shoot ogawa he's a japanese coin magician the dude's off the chain

and so i wanted to learn this trick uh he showed me a little bit about it and i would call him and this is actually funny he'd be in japan and i would leave a voicemail and i'd be like ah he wouldn't answer it was like three in the morning right he wouldn't answer and ah shoot got it because that's his name yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Agawa. So check this out. This time, you're not going to hear it. You can just set it in the center. And watch this, man.

This is amazing. And you don't actually hear it, but you'll see it go right through the middle. And that's just as good as new right there, man. I've loved this trick since I was a kid, and that right there, man. Boom. And if you need a transition, how about that? Bam.

How, but how do you do that? Like, how, he just took a Ticonderoga No. 2, Matt Patricia pencil, and he just put it right through a dollar bill two times. One hot dog-wise, one hamburger-wise, if you know what I'm talking about, portrait landscape, just right there in front of her face, right in front of the camera. It makes no sense, John.

It makes absolutely no sense what you do. Hey, so look, I follow you on Instagram. I follow you on social. I see you kicking. Would you go back if somebody called? It's going to have to be the right situation. I mean, we'll see. We'll see. I haven't smoked any vitamins in a month, okay?

So I've been a month clean here. I'm leaving all the options on the table about a potential. I believe it was the great Gary Anderson he used to kick for the Vikings, right? Yep. Or Morton Anderson. It was one of the Andersons. Did you hear about his deal back in the day? No.

Okay, this is a rumor, but this is genius because, Pat, this is where you're at. So apparently the guy played like 25 years, tried to retire. The Vikings just kept having him back. So at the end of his career, he's basically like, look, here's the deal. I don't practice. I don't show up. I fly home during the week. I'll join the team on Saturday.

I'll kick off on Sunday. And then you're going to fly me back to whatever state I was living in. And they were like, cool. And he's like, oh, and I don't want to hurt my career average. So I don't kick anything outside of 35 yards. And they're like, cool. Are you kidding me? And apparently that was like his deal for a couple of seasons. That's what I heard. I'm going to have to succeed. I want to kick field goals though. I don't want to punt. I want to kick field goals. So I'm going to have to do well for a couple of years before somebody will sign me up for that. The pun for the giants too uh i should know his name i'm gonna get crucified for this right now um oh gee he didn't practice all week either

and he was is he a brad wing is he still there no though let's talk about back in the day this guy was there for like 22 years i see oh sean uh no um uh oh my gosh oh i'm gonna get murdered for this i'm gonna get absolutely yeah jeff feagles yes jeff feagles had the same type of deal where he was just like uh yep here's the deal i'll see you guys on sunday i'm gonna chill out though for the next couple days he would punt the ball 41 yards out of bounds every single time it's like this is what i'm gonna do every time every time i'm just gonna do this i'll see you on sunday everybody else can eat shit i mean it was beautiful maybe we'll get that deal done maybe we won't who knows why okay so so

for the brand can i do i have time for one more funny story well can i tell you that you are the a in the brand did you know that i don't like literally am i don't tell me i'm the silhouette of the logo yeah i'll like shit myself you are you're the a in the for the brand you are the do you tell that to everybody? No, you actually are. And if you look at it, and you actually look at it now as you, you'll definitely see you, too. I mean, it's very... It's actually kind of obvious that you're the A.

I didn't want to get sued by you or your team, so I didn't want to tell you until... No, that's on its way. But yeah, you're the A. You're the A. Did you ever... Okay, did you ever hear the story? Remember the South...

See, this is before you guys. Do you remember Southwestern Bell, the phone company before cell phones? Yeah, I've heard of it. So I could have sworn I read this, and you might want to fact check this, but long story short, they had that little blue bell, and it was on every pay phone, every phone book. And I guess a disgruntled employee was like,

I wonder if they trademark a logo. I should probably know that. Whatever. Register it, whatever. And so sure enough, they didn't. So apparently this guy went and trademarked that little blue bell and went back to his boss and said hey here's the deal we kind of got an issue and apparently the guy was paid out well it's just like the madres padres thing this weekend did you see that the san diego padres changed their name to the madres for mother's day

soon as they went to madre some kids snatched up padres so that kid has it right now he's probably gonna get paid out come on. They actually let go of their, yeah. Cause they changed their name to the Madres without having like another backup to the Padres. So some kid just like fucked with them and just snatched it basically. And they're probably going to have to pay that kid a couple thousand dollars if I had to guess to get that back. Wait, like the the the name or the website at madres at padres not the website just at like their twitter handle genius by that genius genius that good all right so we're this is for the brand and for that right so uh look i i just i felt like you work uh smarter not harder. Oh, amen. So at the end of my career in practice, we had sports science in Philadelphia. This to me cracked me up.

So Donnie Jones, the legend, one of my greatest friends in the game. Bag of bones. Donnie Jones, bag of bones, baby. Yeah. Did you know how that came about? No, because he kills balls, huh? No, dude. Apparently there was some guy in sports talk that would call in as a fan.

And, like, it didn't matter in Philadelphia what was being talked about, right? So let's say they're talking about the 76ers. All of a sudden this caller would call in and be like, yeah, hello. And they'd be like, hey, who do you think the 76ers should draft? Who should they draft? Donnie Jones, bag of balls. Like, he would call in all the time to the point where I think the sports, like radio people, like were getting annoyed because they'd be like, dude.

You know, everything was just, it didn't matter what question. For whatever reason, dude, this guy always got through. And you just hear, oh, dude, Donnie Jones, back of bones, baby. The legend was born. All right, so sports science, Philadelphia, right? I'm a long snapper. Brian Braman was a B specialist. Oh, fuck that guy.

He almost broke my leg. He was in Houston. He's an animal. I call him the Viking. He looks like Thor. So are you ready for this? The guy can run. He ran like 22 miles an hour in a game, which is really, really.

I mean, it's so fast, dude. It's faster than anything. I think my career average in the sports science world is, I think, 5.3 miles an hour is like what I ran. That boy, John. Hey, look. Hey, you know, it's 5.2 miles an hour faster like what I ran. That boy! Kill it. That boy, John! Hey, look. Hey, you know, it's 5.2 miles an hour faster than some others. So here's the deal.

We're at practice. Practice is now over. Donnie Jones and I are walking off the field. And one of the sports science guys comes out with his clipboard. Hey, John, guess what? And I'm like, and I'm not a big sports science guy. He goes, what? You ran 21.3 miles an hour today.

Whatever you did, you need to keep it up because we need to open up that hamstring, get that lactic acid out. We need to expand the quad. And I'm thinking to myself, stop. Just stop, dude. You're telling me on average all your data says I run between 5 and 7 miles an hour. And you're going to tell me that I ran 21.3 miles an hour? And the guy's like, yep, that's what the data says. Brian Brayman is 22 miles an hour.

So you're telling me I'm almost as fast as Brian Brayman. Yep, that's what the data says. Brian Brayman is 22 miles an hour. So you're telling me I'm almost as fast as Brian Brayman. Yep, that's what the data says. Now, in my mind, Pat, I'm thinking to myself, I look at Donnie. We didn't even put our cleats on. I've been in my tennis shoes all day. So I'm going, oh, my gosh, dude. You know what we did? We got on one of those Gators, and we were driving around the field.

We had two fields that were back-to-back, so it was like a 200-yard stretch. So Donnie and I would open up the Gator, and we hit like almost 22 miles an hour. And these guys literally thought – I mean, come on, dude. This is the Chip Kelly era, right? Let me tell you something, dude. You can't measure a man's will and heart, dude. You can't. That's sports science stuff for the birds.

This was Chip Kelly era, right, whenever you guys were peeing every morning? Yeah, but I did love Chip, man. I still talk to him. You know, I love Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly was nice to me, too. He came up to me every warm-up that we played the eagles and like said what's up to me and dap me up and everything like that but i think everything he brought to the league was kind of a little bit amateur in my head you know uh here's where i respect him um he did something different man and he took a shot and you know what people that have success long term they take

shots dude and uh as a coach chip was great to me as a as a speaker uh he was phenomenal and uh really if you go see my show it's basically i plagiarized chip kelly and kevin elko so just if you've seen them then don't worry about coming to my show didn't you i'm just kidding but i like chip you guys had to pee every morning right i mean that was something you had to do like literally you had to pee in a cup every single morning right yeah and i'm like i mean you know i mean what is that going to tell me you know what i mean like i just you know what i think some of the people that were hired at the time that they became more about those checklists than playing yeah you know and and I think for some of those people, it was about justifying their job and justifying that you need me in order to stay. And so, you know, there was a

growing period there and as everything is when something's new, but look, dude, you know, here's the deal. In my opinion, now, Pat, I'd like your opinion. In my opinion, if I'm playing, right? Okay. I'd rather have a guy that wears his boots to work, flicks a cigarette, chugs a beer, goes out of a tunnel, punches you in the face, and then goes home. Yep. I want that guy. I was that guy, I think. That's why. Dude.

That's why I think I'm 100% in with you for that. Can I just give you the greatest Pat McAfee? Put that in your bio right there. I want a guy. I would hit a strip club. I wouldee? Put that in your bio right there. What a guy. I would hit a strip club. I would drink a beer. I'd smoke a cigarette. I'd go outside and punch you in the face.

Pat McAfee. Pat McAfee stories. You could argue, right, that you want somebody that ran on the perfect. Usain Bolt, right? Fast man in the world. Have you seen his training facility? No. Google it.

The guy ran on literally rocks and gravel and like he didn't have any of that you know when he grew up and but guess what dude that's the guy i want john runyon that's the guy i want a guy that just literally does whatever it takes to get the job done and somebody that cares about their teammates i don't think that is talking about enough i think people that care about each other and come together are a much better team than a bunch of stud athletes i i believe that oh for sure thoroughly i've been on a lot of great teams a lot of great teams i've been on a couple bad teams and i think the reason the biggest the easiest thing to see between the difference between the two was one team liked each other the other team didn't i mean it was just a very easy

thing to tell and i don't think that gets talked about enough whenever they're going through all these sports science analytics is like is this guy likable or not? Will this guy be a good teammate or not? I don't think you can judge that really. I don't, I don't think there's a way to judge that. It's hard. Chemistry is hard. Right. And, and, but I'll tell you this, you're a hundred percent, right? I mean, the teams that have had success or teams that get along, the teams that can communicate. And it's also, it's also like Pat, if you and I were teammates, I actually care about your family. Like I actually care about when you go home, I care about the wellbeing of you. So what does that make me do? It makes me work harder and it makes me want to win more for you

than me. And the next thing you know, you go home and guess what you do? You look at me and say, man, Sean, I care about his family. I care about his wellbeing. So now what does that do? Now you want to win more for me than you do yourself. So now you get a team of people that want to win more for each other. That, that elevates your own game. That pushes your boundaries both mentally, emotionally, physically. It raises the bar of what you can do because you're not there for yourself. Man, you get that, bro. You destroy people. Well, I think you're playing for each other and not with each other.

Yes. And that's the biggest difference. And speaking of. Well, Pat, I would much rather play for you than with you. Well, if you want to play with me, you've got great hands. I've seen your touch. That's a whole different brand. Also a popular one, by the way.

Yeah. We don't judge that brand either. No. We don't judge that brand at all. I'm in. John, I can't thank you enough, man. You're the best, dude. Bro, whatever you want, man.

Do you do shows? How do people at JohnDorenbos.com, they can figure out where you're at, where they can see you? We're talking to some cool venues. I'm just putting a tour. I took some time off, obviously, because we're having a baby here. Dude, this is actually pretty cool, man. For me, this was really cool. We have a show in two months in Atlantic City at the Borgata at the Music Box.

I love this venue. It's amazing. But we're two months out, and both shows are sold out. Let's go! Now, baby. Come on. Okay! For the brand, and it's, they're both shows are sold out. Let's go for the brand baby. So we're going to throw some shows up here. We're booking November, December, January, and we're going to start stringing them out. So, uh, you can go to John Dornbos.com and, uh,

you know, really a big niche of mine though, too, is, is the, is the corporate speaking world. That's, that's been a niche for me for a long time. And it's, it's awesome, dude. I love it. Uh, tell my life story, do magic along the way. And it's upbeat. It's rockstar, but it's real. Every story I tell is real. The emotions are real. So, uh, if I can help you guys out, yeah, hit me up. I think you can dominate Instagram too. Once you figure it out, because everything I've heard is literally everything that would just dominate on Instagram dominate. Hey, does, uh, do you guys have a, are you guys your own marketing firm yeah yeah that's where yeah yeah we're not i think we should go in business well watch hey listen i would love to i

mean the videos that we're gonna make just from this strictly are gonna crush on the internet yeah you should know that so okay so now you tag me right and then i can repost it well yeah instagram they have that repost thing we'll add you in that for sure twitter twitter by the way build up up your Twitter, too. Everybody's, like, focused on Instagram. Twitter's where you get your most loyal diehard fans. Really? Yeah, because you're interacting with them.

They love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I need to go to school on that. Dude, but here's the deal. It's a full-time job, dude. Oh, yeah. It's all day, every day. It's a full-time job.

John, I can't thank you enough for joining us. The magic was incredible. Check that out on YouTube. Follow him at John Dorenb dorm boss he doesn't have an h and john it's just jon uh you're an incredible long snapper incredible long snapper i got to catch one of your balls at the pro bowl you're incredible your magic was sobering it was enlightening it was incredible the world gets to see it and if they get a chance to go see you on tour they need to do it because we got to see you in person and it was an electric thing and today i can't thank you enough brother i appreciate you my man love you guys thank you hey don't sue us for you being the

a no i won't but now i'm going to totally look at this and and debate what i need to do because you just blew my mind right now well you blew our minds in this conversation lucky to have you all right enough enough with Enough with the ceiling. Hey, Pat. I love you, baby. I'm out. I love you too, man. See ya.

That was incredible. Yeah, it really was. Inspirational. It was. See, you gotta speak into it. I always forget. Yeah, there's a microphone there. You gotta speak into it.

He really is just, I've known him for years and years, and everybody who's seen him on America's Got Talent, Ellen DeGeneres, I think she only gets like 75 million viewers a day. Everybody's seen him on there. But whenever he just starts, he's just one of the guys, but he just so happens to have one of the most inspiring stories of all time. You were saying it off air, Ty. A lot of excuse for him to just be a complete shit bum.

Oh, yeah, big time. You know what I mean? And I would assume that statistics say anybody that goes through what he went through is supposed to be a shit bug. Yeah, like 99 out of 100 guys probably. He's the exception to the rule. Well, yeah. Instead, it's the complete opposite. He's inspiring people.

We got a chance to go to one of his corporate gigs. It was like I was about to take off to the moon. Three times in the middle of that conversation, I was about to run through this wall right here. Construction would have been expensive. I'm getting a little bit fitter, too. I mean i probably could have made it through oh yeah i'm proud of old dorm boss though very thankfully he came on the show very thankfully hey i learned a lot too about the long snapper holder thing see that that's some good facts right there it's precision it's unbelievable he was trying to blame me i'm like yo i'm trying to make you look good here i enjoyed

that john was an incredible snapper too like he he sells himself very very short very short not as short of the seahawk said he was but he sells himself short yeah when you're a pro bowler for that many years you know you're good well the thing about is nobody votes for long snapper for pro bowl yeah so so i didn't want to bring that up but he is a guy that deserved it so normally long snappers just get chosen by the coach that is coaching in it. I see. Right? So there's no voting for it.

Yeah. There's no Pro Bowl voting, which I think should be changed. They're the only ones? They're the only position that doesn't get recognized for a Pro Bowl vote. Yeah. It's bullshit. But he was incredible. He was very good.

And I'm lucky to call him a friend. And I think the world is lucky to hear his story. Yeah. That's what I think. Like you mentioned, too, that's one that you should watch on YouTube. Because some of the magic he was pulling out just out of nowhere yeah incredible it was like he was getting bored he was like just uh i've told this story so many times let me go ahead and fucking make this car just disappear right in front of pat's face and then just keep talking

and act as if pat isn't supposed to be completely i was mind blown in there literally mind blown he's a good dude he thinks he's gonna us? For being the A in the brand? Yeah. He was excited to hear it. He was pumped. That's good. If he gets bigger, though, we're probably going to have to change it to a more low profile guy. I mean, I don't know how much bigger he can get.

He's on Ellen every week. He was on her Week of Giving or whatever it's called. Oh, yeah. That's massive shows for her. And he was on there doing the whole thing and dancing. Ellen, here we go. Yeah. He dropped a couple swear swear words in there too.

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and a guy that is balls deep in the NBA conversation, Darius Butler. good friend of mine and a guy that is balls deep in the NBA conversation, Darius Butler. Ladies and gentlemen, joining me now from a decked out Lincoln Navigator riding shotgun. It looks incredible. He was once a second round draft pick for the New England Patriots. He was a stud corner for the Indianapolis Colts as well.

Moved to safety. Did it all in the NFL. Also, one of the smoothest athletes I've ever seen in my entire life. He's an internet aficionado. Talks about the NBA a lot. Here to join me for the weekend that was in the National Basketball Association, Darius Butler. Darius, what's up?

What's up, bro? Thanks for having me, man. Appreciate the intro. No problem. It was a really good intro. Normally, there would be people clapping and stuff But they're all off doing their own thing So there's no clap there, no round of applause

It's fucked up It is, it's very sad I feel bad for you, you deserve a round of applause Maybe we'll put it in in post What's that bottle right there? What you sipping on man? Okay, so this is called Horse Soldier Bourbon Whiskey You know that movie, 12 Strong?

Yeah. Where they rode the horses in Afghanistan? Hell yeah. Yeah, those dudes came in here. They made their own whiskey. It's this bottle right here. Wow, okay. Yeah, hey, there's levels of craziness for white people.

These dudes, at the top of the fucking list. Insane individuals. And they rode horses into a fucking war zone. Hey, that movie was dope, though. Yeah, it is a good movie. I don't think the guys loved the movie, to be honest. It sounded like the actual guys didn't love the movie. Oh, the real dudes?

Yeah, they didn't love the movie, I don't think. That's probably an interesting conversation. I got to check that episode out. Yeah, thanks for paying attention. I really appreciate that. It means a lot. It means a lot. It means a lot. All right, let's get to this.

Magic Johnson is the worst tweeter of all time. How do you feel about him retiring to send out terrible tweets? I love it, man. I love it. He's living his best life. He sends out. I mean, I love it. But you retweeted it.

Hey, thanks for that magic. I really appreciated that. He literally just, hey, he tweeted a box score for CJ McCollum. He just tweeted the box score out. And I was like, you know what, thanks for that magic. And you had to tell me to get off the goat's back, which I respect and understand. But let's talk about this. Magic Johnson legitimately left left and did you see

the shop episode where lebron talks about it yes him and alonzo yeah where alonzo doesn't really have a clue what's going on he's just there to follow on with what lebron's doing but lebron said magic basically talked him into coming there and said it was going to be a process and then he just bailed on it how do you feel about magic johnson just bailing on the lakers like that yeah you know i don't think Magic holds anybody anything, man. He's living his best life. He's already living his best life, man. I mean, he walked away from

being the president. I think he was too big for that job in the first place, but walked away from it. Didn't even tell Jeannie. So he definitely wasn't going to tell LeBron. Yeah. I mean, that shop show is pretty interesting. Travis Scott said some dumb, dumb things, but I really enjoyed the whole conversation in there. I really enjoy what LeBron has become.

Do you think he's going to become a great NBA player again, or do you think he's done? I think he's still great. I think he still has, you know, he's just not, I mean, he's year 17. So, you know, for all the time, get everybody. But, I mean, I would still put him in the top handful of players in the nba and uh it's not many that was in year 17 that you can say that about so um they were spoiled for such a long time they've been great but uh i think you see it you're

seeing him transition now to his next phase i'm not mad at it you think he was potentially drunk on the court sometimes this year no you sure no bro he let a ball roll all the way down out of bounds out of bounds the broad james little ball roll all the way down out of bounds hey i can't explain that one but uh no i can't maybe maybe a little wine maybe a little wine drunk hey that's like a rich white lady drunk. Wine drunk, by the way. He did walk into the ring with wine one time. So I wouldn't.

Might be something. He might talk about it in a shop episode. He's done. I hope he does. I'm kind of figuring this is like his vacation year. He knew all these years of making it to the finals and extra basketball, more basketball than anybody else in the history of basketball, it seems. He knew the team was awful this year, so he said, fuck it.

It's spring break. I'm going to show up possibly drunk sometimes. This is an LA fitness. I'm just going to act like this is the Equinox League. I feel like that's really what he did. I hope he gets back to it. He'll get back to it, but right now, he's the highest-paying executive producer in LA, and

he deserves that. Fuck it. Go out there and live your life. He's living his best life, too. He's out there. Maybe it's an L.A. thing, man. Get out there. He's just saying, fuck it.

Well, it's hard not to. Literally, every show idea he has gets picked up by NBC, HBO. HBO ran a commercial where it's like, from the mind of LeBron James, and that's like 45 shows. I'm like, how could you focus on basketball if you're getting millions of dollars thrown at you just to think of ideas and have other people do it? I don't know. It's going to be tough.

With that being said, though, the Western Conference this year is an insane one right now. This was supposed to be the Houston, you get it, Rockets year. This was supposed to be the year that Chris Paul, Jamie Harden, everybody down there makes some plays. Kevin Durant gets hurt. I mean, it seems like everything's set up for them perfectly. And then Klay Thompson and Steph Curry show why they were called

the Splash Brothers to begin with, which you predicted was going to happen. I mean, yeah. I think a lot of people forgot, like, who they were and that they won 73 games before Kevin Durant arrived. You know, Steph has two MVPs, greatest shooting backcourt, you know, that the league has seen. So I think a lot of people forgot. And it's hard for, you know, on the team, you know, guys come in

and it's not just, oh, this guy averages 30. Let's just plug him in the lineup and it's going to be 30 more points on the box score. Like, people change their game. And those guys are team first players. But when it was all on the line, I felt like they were going to put him in the way. And that's what they did. Do you think Steph Curry hates how much love KD gets? No, he doesn't.

He's not tripping about how much love Aisha gets. Hey, hey, that was a one. I think he's a team first player. I don't know if it's a fraud. It's probably fake. It's probably all a lie. But at least when he's in front of the camera, he's team first. KD's our best guy, blah, blah, blah.

But he is a two-time MVP, and I think he is overlooked a lot. So, I mean, when he had his chance to shine, you know he's going to do it. That Aisha Curry shit was wild. That's crazy, man. Tension is one hell of a drug, man. I mean, you begging guys to shoot your shot. You got the best shooter in the history. Like, come on, man.

I would love to see her DMs, by the way, immediately after that. You know all the fuckboys just showing up in flocks i couldn't imagine i couldn't imagine uh okay let's go to portland denver cj mccallum who is a hilarious creature on the internet by the way i did not know this until recently with a magical shot there do they have any chance to beat the Golden State Warriors? Or was it just like, hey, congratulations, you now won a chance to come in second place in the Western Conference? Man, it's

hard to pick against that Golden State, man. Because, I mean, they're obviously talented, but they play so well together. You know, passing the ball, always moving the ball, guys getting their shots, playing great defense. It's hard to bet against that.

But you do. Portland has a puncher's chance. With C.J. and Dame, they can get out at any point and string some wins together. I'm still picking the Warriors, probably five. But I think the games will at least be interesting. C.J CJ said that it was terrible

defense on him. He sent out a tweet that said, good defense, my ass. I love that. That was a bucket, though. That was a bucket. That was a tough bucket. I like just kicking a guy when he's down, though, because there's literally nothing old buddy can do until... He's fucking six months. He's got nothing to do except for sit there

and stare at that tweet. I absolutely love it. Now let's get to what happened in canada kawaii leonard wow took i mean it was jimmy butler's layup was not does not get enough credit i don't think where he cut through he was in agonizing pain with a toe they said nobody cares about their limb Alright, man It's all about that shot That's fucking difficult That shot I mean, you run it Full speed to the court You could go try that shot

In the gym right now And nine out of ten of us Wouldn't even hit the rim So to shoot that over Joel That was That was And then to see Kawhi Social emotion

That was my favorite part of it Honestly Yeah, he yelled He was excited It was I'm not sure sound came out But he yelled I'm happy excited. I'm not sure the sound came out, but he yelled. I'm happy with that.

Just like the photo yell. The just open mouth, no sound. He's a monster of a man. They're saying that he's up for free agency, obviously. Toronto can pay him another $50 million than anybody else. If you're Kawhi, after that moment, can you leave Toronto after that moment right there? Oh, I don't know. That's what a lot of people are talking about.

But it's still Canada, man. I don't know. It's $50 million more, though. I mean, you add in Canadian taxes, I guess it's a lot less. But it's still $50 million more. I want to say American dollars, but it's not. Canadian dollars. American dollars still go a long way up there, right? less but it's still 50 million more i want to say american dollars but it's not canadian dollars american dollars still go a long way up there right well it depends on how we're doing i honestly don't know how we're doing every once in a while you can be getting your ass kicked

up there i don't i honestly don't know they they have their own little dollar up there but what do you think you think i don't know man i think i think i think he ends up in L.A. ultimately. Cali kid. I think he ends up back down here. Do you think the National Basketball Association is fucked because there's an international representative in the Eastern Conference final? Oh. That's interesting. I never thought about that. Yeah, very closed-minded.

I don't think NBA thought they would have to deal with Toronto being anywhere near the finals anytime soon. But Kawhi, shit, he's going to be tough to see. I think he's the best player in the league right now. You think he's the best player in basketball? I think he's the number one. If I had to take one player right now to start my franchise, I would take Kawhi.

Okay, so you're going to look Kevin Durant right in his face in all his burner accounts you're gonna say you know what cuz give me kawaii yeah he gives me more on both ends and i think kawaii his offensive game is slept on because it's not flashy but he's like that old guy in the wild who still goes six for eight might not look pretty but uh he gets it done that shot i mean he's obviously showed his big time. He's clutching big moments. You know he's a team player. Going to be your best player on defense. Not going to be an issue, you know, anywhere off the court. So, I mean, that would be a guy I wouldn't leave my franchise.

All right, who wins it all? Golden State. Golden State was a three-peat, and Kevin Durant takes off from New York. So, he goes to New York. Where's Kyrie go? I want him to go to L.A. I want him to go out there bad, but everybody's saying he's going to New York.

And usually, especially those NBA, I feel like those NBA rumors are usually 90% true. It's very loose-lipped society over there. NFL's getting there, too, but at NBA, if you start hearing something like they're talking about lebron going to la like two years left with his deal like you

know that's the shay these guys start staff i heard three guys saying that i believe it uh the nba is coming out in their social media accounts that follow them complex uh house of highlights all the basketball things saying saying the NBA is better than the NFL. That's like the big thing right now is the moments are bigger. They take over more. They're like trying to – No, I'm not buying that. Me neither.

I'm happy we're on the same side there. I'm not buying that. Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. Because, you know, it's seven games. You got one game. You got championship Sunday. You got Super Bowl. You got one game. You got to Sunday. You got Super Bowl. You got one game. You got to win that game.

You got to beat a team four times. You got to win whoever the best team is on that day. So all fan bases are in. I think you can't replace that. You can't replace that. Who do you like in the NFL next year? I mean, I'm going to be a homer,

but I'm going to like the Colts. I like the Colts. Hey, I like what they've done to the team. I really do. They've done. They're building it the right way. You know how important. A lot of people throw the culture word around,

but that's super important, especially in the NFL locker room. I think they're building it with the right guys. Hey, I was in there last week. You should see that building. It is about seven feet. Oh, I went in there. Yeah, I went in there last week. You should see that building. It is about seven. Oh, I went in there. Yeah, I went in there this offseason. It's crazy.

I'm like, shit, yeah. It's like three years too late, buddy. That's what I'm saying. It's like a college campus, like a college facilities. Like when I went to WVU, we had shit facilities. We win four bowl games in a row. These kids are living in a $100 billion locker room. That's what it's like with the Colts now.

I'm like, I go back. I'm like, holy shit, this is five stars. It's all high tech. Yeah. It's crazy, man. That's what it's like with the Colts now. I go back, I'm like, holy shit, this is five stars. It's crazy, man. It's beautiful over here, but I think, yeah, I'm going to go with them and the AFC, the prior NFC. I mean, the Rams again.

Why not? Well, they put up like four points in the Super Bowl. I mean, that could be a reason why. They were there. They'll be back. Sean McVay, true. he called they're not going anywhere for a while all right well hey i appreciate your analysis and if you could tweet magic johnson to tell him to fucking stop it that'd be great i love it best life magic live your best life magic johnson best life hey you too getting chauffeured around in a fucking Navigator I like that got a little bucket Seat in the back

Life is good man life is good What are you doing right now you're in school I think I saw something on Instagram you're in school Yeah I was in school last week I started my executive MBA program at the Gabelli School of Business Whoa

I was out there with some other retired guys. It's interesting, just getting into a whole different world and seeing how the parallels in different jobs, different things like that. So we went to Bloomberg. That was a fucking amazing experience just to be in that building, see how he runs his operation. I went to Rockefeller Capital Management on our site visit. So it was interesting. It's fun. Are you going to start your own business?

Yeah, I got a couple businesses. But actually, you know, starting it and just seeing the ins and outs of different businesses. And being on Wall Street and seeing how that shit actually works like i had no idea like how the fucking indexes and all the you know all these fancy words i'm actually learning them in uh you know layman's terms so it's very interesting good for you you want to broadcast boot camp as well how was that that was amazing as well just getting that uh getting those on-air reps uh meeting guys like uh, seeing Nate Burleson was there, seeing guys that Sean Clips or Dan Orlowski was there last year. Now he's all over ESPN now.

So, you know, learning a lot there from a lot of people. So it's interesting. Right now, you know, I got a lot of time on my hands. So I feel like, you know, I'm going to explore everything to see what I like. Well, Darius, I think you're about to take over the world. I was rejected from that broadcast boot camp for a third time this year. Happy you could go. That's a blast.

Hey, they need you more than you need them at this point. All right, Pat? Hey, that means a lot, man. I don't know if they taught you motivational speaking at that executive NBA thing, but you just did great. Ladies and gentlemen, the man, Darius Butler. Thank you so much, D-Butt. Thanks for having me, bro.

Cheers, man. Take care. All right, man. Take care. Thank you so much, D-Butt. Thanks for having me, bro. Cheers, man. Take care. All right, man. Take care. Thank you. He's good. He is. He's very good.

You should have seen the car he was rolling around in, too, if you look on YouTube. Oh, yeah. Hey, that thing was all leathered out. All leathered. And he called us the first time. I'm going to have to call you back. He was driving. And then when he called us back, he was riding passenger.

I'm wondering who he was driving for. Like, did he go pick up a chauffeur? Like, hey, I got to go do an interview. I got to FaceTime a guy. That'd be some boss shit. I got to FaceTime a guy about a thing. I'm a big fan of Darius Butler. Big, big fan.

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That's incredible. I think you're going to enjoy it. I honestly do. If you want to shave your bits that's the kit honestly it really is i used it this weekend uh and you know what zito i thought you did great there i know i read between the lines there um not really i mean you just subbed in let me tell you hey they get it they get it and you should get it at manscape.com oh manscape.com promo code pat there it is.com. Promo code Pat. There it is.

Now we're talking. Get 20% off. Hey, by the way, we got a whole new bit on the show. What's the bit? Hit it, Ty. I have a couple thoughts on my mind. Not thoughts like a whore. I'll give some takes while Ty will keep score. Got a couple thoughts. What do you got?

Well, Ty's going to read them off and then Ty's going to keep score at the end to see how he did. Okay. This is, I don't know how this happened today, but it happened at some point today between like 5 and 6 o'clock. I was like, I feel like I have a couple thoughts on some things. We have to introduce it. And we're a segment show. Everybody knows we're a big segment show. Yep, always have been.

So it's a brand new segment. Let's get to it, Ty. How are you going to score me, by the way? Have you thought about it? Probably going to go on pass-fail. Okay. Hey. Oh, North Carolina.

I like North Carolina. Also, all the smart schools do that. I had a teammate from Brown University. His entire collegiate career, that's like an Ivy League school. Pass-fail. Like Harvard, too? Like all those Ivy Leagues? I didn't have any teammates from Harvard.

I didn't have any teammates from Harvard. You have to speak in that microphone. You've changed the way the microphone sits there, and now you just refuse to. I know. Someone moved it, and I'm all scattered. I'm usually a side-angled guy. Well, who moved it? I don't know.

I did. Ty did? Yeah. I'm kill shot. Because I sit there for Heartland Radio. Oh, no. Oh, my God. You guys got to figure it out, because Zito doesn't know how to use it.

I mean, Zito really has no idea. I want the headset. All right, let's get to the... Hey, what do I have? I have a couple thoughts on my mind, not thoughts like a whore. I'll give some takes while Ty will keep score. That's a hater, by the way. Might be able to sell that soon.

Pretty good. For a ringtone. That thing came together pretty quickly all right ty let's go all right so i'm sure you saw over the weekend the snapchat filter of everyone making themselves look like girls a lot of people are coming under fire for people breaking up with girlfriends and stuff like that what's your take on this i just honestly believe that snapchat is out to fuck over dudes okay that's what they're trying to do right now and i'm not saying that because guys are going to get caught not that snapchat hasn't been trying to ruin relationships since the beginning of time right

right not that it wasn't originally built for that type of situation when facebook hit the scene the wall and tagged photos zito just did it and it's like look zito's a lot hotter yeah it looks pretty hot and this is what snapchat's doing the facebook wall was the original relationship ruiner hey great seeing you last night you didn't tell me you're with this person bing bang boom tagged photos life's over yep then snapchat got in there guys were sending meat around everywhere snapping their meat around boom boom boom boom boom favorite friends started happening stars started happening next to people and then relationships are getting ruined i honestly was never a snapchat user but i enjoyed watching my

friends lives just crumble because of how much meat they were sending around so now this whole snapchat thing is just setting up for dudes to get catfished in a terrible way everybody thinks mantai teo was embarrassed by that lalala lula thing wait until some dudes are catfished from a dude like that zito picture that just got sent right there. Everybody thinks that Manti Teo is the only professional athlete in the history of professional athletes to get catfished. Oh, no. It happens on a very regular basis

to professional athletes. I'm going to tell you why. They go around city to city. Can't really go out. Can't really make a lot of friends because you're kind of high profile. So what do you do? You turn to technology to kind of get your dick wet. All of a sudden, you start swipingiping right swiping left on people's best photos that they've ever taken in their entire life before they threw uh fall down the what the fuck happened to your face tree and hit every single tree so all of a sudden these guys now are falling in relationships

sexual relationships they think are going to happen with these beautiful women then you meet up with them it's like oh are you a bad guy no, you have to do it. You have to go through with it. So guys get catfished on a regular basis. Now, Nev Schumann, who has that catfish show, is going to have a catfish show about dudes Snapchatting other dudes to get them catfished. Now listen, if you're into dudes, there's no problem with that.

But if you're Snapchatting as a woman to a dude to potentially get the dude's dick hard when the dude thinks that you're a hot girl and you're not a hot girl, you're just a Zito? I feel like that's a problem, and people don't deserve that, and Snapchat should apologize for it immediately. Those are my thoughts.

That's a hard pass. Let's go! Hard pass. I agree wholeheartedly. I honestly believe that. There was a lot of dudes that looked pretty hot. I think Snapchat did an incredible job because the way you test catfishers

is you're like, okay, hold up something, hold up a fork, hold up like a fork and a knife. That's what dudes hold up like a fork and a knife and they'll go grab a fork and a knife. And then the Snapchat filter,

you might think they put a couple of filters on, you know, maybe a light in the face, maybe the Paris filter on the IG story, but nobody's thinking like that's Zito coming on or from the other side. Well, it actually does like a very good job of masking facial hair, which I don't understand because a lot of those other ones,

like it'll still show like, you know, like your beard or like your neck beard, like that covers it up almost completely. I'm almost thinking I should take my take back and say like how impressed I am with the way that they've been able to do this. The technology is incredible. So maybe I take it all back. Congrats to Snapchat for being able to create something that impeccable while potentially screwing over dudes across the country.

And I don't know if it's an international app or not, but if it is, people around the globe about to get catfished by dudes fucking other dudes. And Snapchat's here for it. That's incredible. This is the biggest advancement, though, since the hot dog, dancing hot dog thing. Oh, that's very true. That dancing hot dog took over the entire internet. I'm the biggest advancement, though, since the hot dog, dancing hot dog thing. Oh, that's very true.

That dancing hot dog took over the entire internet. I'm not a Snapchatter, so I only see things that leave Snapchat and come to the rest of the world. The hot dog took over. That little dancing fucker was everywhere. This particular female face on a dude thing has really come full circle as well. And a lot of hot dudes. No, wait. Yikes.

You get it. Yeah. A lot of dudes look like hot girls on that Snapchat. Zito, I mean, looks like a pretty attractive female right there. I'd fuck him. Quick thing, though. I think if you... Can we flip that? If you take this out of the app,

I think it should have a brand in front of it, so it blocks it from being able to put it on different sites. What's that guy's photos? Anytime I look up photos... It's like photos like tmz or something like that no no there's a dude that just takes all the photos is it like the getty images yeah that guy that getty guy well sorry might be a lady too i don't know the getty lady or getty guy they just ruin all throwback thursdays for me yeah i'm just trying to steal a photo you know the photos of me that photo doesn't happen without me in there bu bub. Okay?

Old Getty guy, girl, whatever you are. Stop putting your shit in there. I would just like to have a nice throwback Thursday back when I was an athlete. By the way, shout out to NFL Throwback putting a video out of me on Twitter. I forgot about a lot of those things. I was a monster. I just did the girl face.

That's terrifying. You're hot. Foxy's a hottie, I bet. Yeah, I bet he is. Foxy. You're like a mom. But I'm sure it's... A lot of guys, I bet. Yeah, I bet he is. Foxy. You're like a mom. But I'm sure it's... A lot of guys are into that.

Yeah, a lot. Oh, Foxy could get it. Oh, God, I would. That's what I'm saying. This is a bad thing. This is a terrible thing. That's a good thing. It's a great advancement of technology.

Shout out to Snapchat for the advancement of technology. Really putting dudes in a bad spot, though. Really putting dudes in a bad spot, though. Really putting dudes in a bad spot. Or lesbian females in a bad spot, honestly. They are going to be more pissed. Oh, yeah. I didn't think about that. No, they'll be pissed just as much.

But they're going to be pissed as well. Snapchat doesn't think about that, do they? No, they don't. Snapchat also, let's remember Griff Whalen, incredible wide receiver, incredible special teamer terrible center worst center in the history of the nfl worst center in the history of the nfl if he would have sat on a different side of the classroom could have been one of the co-founders of snapchat he was in the class that had a project that founded snapchat sat in the wrong side of the

class you would have voted against this no no no griff griff would have been a billionaire right now and he's an attractive guy he would have been an attractive billionaire and i think he made a you're talking about this particular thing sorry yeah no i think Griff would have been a billionaire right now. And he's an attractive guy. He would have been an attractive billionaire. And I think he made a... Oh, you're talking about this particular thing? Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah. No, I think he would have pushed it. Boy, this is an incredible advancement of technology. Let's go another round. I have a couple thoughts on my mind.

Not thoughts like a whore. I'll give some takes while time keeps going. You see, it's thoughts. Yeah. Because it's an audio show. That's a good point. So we wanted them to know these were about thoughts in my mind. This reminds me of a Dave Chappelle thing, too.

That's great. That's good. I hope we get more of those comparisons. Ty? So, Pat, you're a noted fan of Bill Nye. You've met him before. He and I have had a full conversation. Yep, exactly.

His people did not like me, I don't think. It wasn't me, I guess. It was the situation that he was put in. You were present. That's neither here nor there. I was associated. But by the way, very much enjoyed being associated there. That conversation between myself, Portnoy, and him was

electric. It's neither here nor there. He made news for basically just going on a tirade, dropping several F-bombs about how people need to grow up because we are ruining the earth and the environment. I saw him go trendy, you know, and I think that's what Bill Nye is always trying to do is trend, which I respect a lot.

A lot of people are saying we've got 12 years left on this planet earth until everything blows up. Beto O'Rourke, I think he said 10 years, so I'm not sure the exact amount of time we have left. But I've been saying this the whole time. I've been saying this the whole time. Yes, I'm assuming that the ozone is fucked. We've been sending rocket ships through it,

just puncturing holes in there the whole time. You know, Elon Musk just sends them up there for fun. Aliens come down at a rapid rate. There's puncturing holes in the ozone. Of course, that's not good for the ozone. Do cows farting and SUVs and things like that hurt? I would assume they do. I didn't do the research.

Bill Nye might have. I don't know that. But I think the inside of Earth is heating up a little bit more. You know, I think the inside of Earth is heating up a little bit. It's made of lava. Well, yeah, because I got a chance to go to Hawaii. Yep. You know, and that lava, the smoke, it's hot it is hot they won't even let me touch it

that's how hot it is and i think the inside of earth is just all of that oh yeah and the more the more humans that are born the more we push down the earth we're getting closer to that lava so i think everything's just kind of heating up from the inside. I'd like Bill and I to go on a fuck word tirade about how possibly the inside of Earth is heating up and getting closer to the outside of Earth. And really, let's talk about both angles here. Because I think Earth could potentially be getting double-duced here from the ozone thing and then also the inside thing kind of coming down. And we just haven't worried about the ice caps. I think Millie told us about this as well. It's getting hot in here.

He was talking about the ozone. No, the core. Yeah, he was saying that. Nelly wasn't lying to us. Nelly's been talking about this whole time. Yeah, I got a hole in my mama's base suit. He said that? I think so.

Somewhere in that zone. Yeah, something about his Air Force Ones, which are stomping on the earth, which is going down to the core, which is really, it's all coming together. I respect Bill Nye going on the tirade, honestly, and I hope some change happens. I drive a Tesla, so I'm all in. Hey, you're doing your part. I am.

I also have an F-150, though. So I feel like it kind of balances it out. You can't put more than half a tank in there, so it's fine. Exactly. Hey, exactly. That's the most insane problem to ever have by the way a car that's gas tank doesn't allow it to fill up that's what i have with my

f-150 get six gallons is the max that i've ever got zito thought he fixed it today yeah five and a half zito took the truck out and he was filling up for gas because he had to go pick something up that was larger and he was filling it up and he facTimes me in the middle and he's like, oh, I think I got it. I think I got it. It just clicked, right? Yeah, and as I get on FaceTime, it clicks. I'm like, nope, I know it's broken. It makes no sense to me.

It honestly makes no, I can't get more than six gallons of gas into my truck. I was going to say, every time I'm with you, we stop for gas. It's becoming a thing. It's becoming a thing. I try fighting it. You can't fight it. You just got to let it out. I was on the edge of it. You pull it all the way out. It's becoming a thing. It's becoming a thing. I try fighting it. You can't fight it. You just gotta let it happen. I was on the edge of it. Oh yeah,

you pull it all the way out. Yeah, just the tip. You're going just the tip with the damn thing and then splashing back at you. It's a real first world problem nobody seems to care about.

The lady behind me thought I had like a major problem. She was like, you know how to fill up your own gas? Hey lady, this is a major problem. You need to tell her, tell her to go back a couple months when it's like

fucking 14 degrees outside and it's uh slushy and i wear shorts every day and i'm out there just fucking holding holding the thing it's cruel and unusual punishment but shout out bill nye trending in 2019 i think that's a good deal you know what uh i've never been to hawaii you have see the uh the science there seems pretty darn good. I'm going to give you another pass there. Look at me. Hey, that's two passes in a first time with the new segment. I'm pretty proud of us. Not a bad run. Good for us.

Speaking of good for us, we got into a deep conversation about the Thrones with all the Throners in the room. We're recording very late right now, so the rest of the boys are not here. The pub is here. Two-thirds of the pub are here. Boston Conner is still in Boston.

Ty said he should be back relatively soon. We're pretty excited for that. We have been in contact. He has been tweeting. So if you worry about Boston Conner, we worry as well, and we appreciate you. We miss him as well. He'll be back. He's just tying up some loose ends in Boston.

And for Ty Schmidt, he's going to be up until till about 4 5 a.m with this thing so go ahead and send him your well wishes from myself zito foxy ty and all the boys here at uh pmi we appreciate everything you do uh day and night Do Day and Night. Day and Night. Yeah. He's resting in my mind. We watched a show, there was Dragon 5. She's spraying all the people right. Aaron Rodgers is a false dick. Horrible run.

Everybody's coming after me like I'm a dick Get off my back man By the way before we get into this conversation I think we alluded to it but it has grown I am a noted Throner Twitter Personality Game of Thrones influencer Sports Illustrated

USA Today Yahoo Thisis50.com Numerous other people quoted me about Thrones. So this is your authority when it comes to Game of Thrones information. I am officially a Throner Twitter account. Absolutely. Nick hates it.

It's not your fault. Nick hates it. It is. It is my fault. Before we get into this conversation, because there's only one episode left, know that while the episode's happening or right before the episode's happening

when I'm sending out tweets, I'm going into the group text asking questions about, hey, what's the name of this thing tonight? What's the name of this thing tonight? And I sent out a tweet, and I have like a couple followers that are all the way in on it, you know? And they're like,

there was one person that tweeted a GIF. I think her name was Sweta Patel, I believe. Oh, she's a huge Lions fan. Bro, she tweeted a GIF right after I said like, yeah, my mom knows I love her and all, but three and a half hours to the last war, which I just found out, by the way, in a text message a minute before that, that that's what it was called.

She tweeted a GIF of me, myself, and Irene, and it's Jim Carrey going, oh boy, here we go. It was perfectly timed. I just started crying and laughing because all the people under it was like, yeah, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, and that sweater Patel lady's like, oh fuck, here we go again.

Only one more episode. Make sure you get it while it's hot. If if you haven't watched it you don't want to listen to anything we're about to talk about because we break down the entire episode because we are the official authority of uh game of thrones i am official throne or twitter account which is stupid i agree but tell you what i did watch this episode i just didn't fully understand what was going on. But these guys did. Okay. Spoiler alert. If you... Do that one more again.

If you haven't seen the Thrones on Sunday, we are about to talk about it. Let's get right into it. What a wild ride. Oh, yeah. What a wild ride. As a big-time throner, as a big-time throner, as a guy who

gets quoted in USA today in Yahoo and Twitter about my throne thoughts. I would like to say the boy, whenever the dragon and the lady on top of it turned heel, that was crazy. That was really crazy to me. What did you guys think? Honestly, it was an hour and 20 minutes, an hour and 25 minutes of just like on the edge of your seat the entire time and i'm fucking tired i am so tired of people complaining about a little bullshit it's it's getting ridiculous i mean i turned it on i had to watch it the house i watched the uh end of the kawaii leonard craziness and then clipped over i and honestly i've been recording Game of Thrones DVR

since the beginning of time. Everybody knows that. I catch up on it normally throughout Sunday, and I re-watch it on Monday and on Tuesday just so I can catch up on all the little things. As soon as I turned it on last night, though, Sam gave a line of the century. This is unrealistic, she said.

This is unrealistic. It doesn't look real. Whenever one person was, there was like a group running, and it looked as if it was possibly with a green screen in the background and she was like this doesn't look real and at that exact time a dragon flew over top of them and just sprayed an entire fucking fire hose of fire down and just wiped them all out as if they were ants running in a hole and and i looked at her i said doesn't look realistic does it and she said no and then you look on the

internet it's the same thing like this isn't even a real type of situation that could have happened like everybody's mad about the way the plot's going and shit like that on the internet i guess what a joke what a joke these people i couldn't agree more everyone's because i was like i got so many looks i i said it was an incredible episode because i was on my the edge of my seat the entire time because you had no idea what was really going to happen at all like there were so many twists and turns and then there was complaining i was like why don't you fucking get in there and you write the script and then there's a bunch of obviously professional script writers on the internet that i didn't know about well that's the internet in a nutshell i think obviously well here's my

thing like she was such a great and philanthropical character throughout this entire thing. And then all of a sudden, oh, people like Jon Snow better than me. I'm going to kill fucking everybody. That's the most realistic shit I've ever seen in my life. 1,000%. What's her name, the lady that was on the dragon? Khaleesi?

Daenerys, yeah. Daenerys. Attaboy. No, they call her Khaleesi. Yeah, you're good. She's got like 10 names. She's the white-haired lady that was on the dragon? Daenerys. Daenerys. Attaboy. No, they call her Daenerys. She's got like ten names. She's the white-haired lady that was on top of the dragon. She turned heel.

She turned bad guy. Very quick, big time. So Jon Snow not do much. Did a lot of running, a lot of looking, a lot of staring. They put their swords aside there when they ran into each other, and then they went back into killing each other. I thought that was a wild move. I didn't understand that. That's just Jon being the good guy that he is.

That's just who Jon is. Jon heard the bells. Jon heard the bells. When you hear the bells, you know the war's over. He played't understand that. That's just John being the good guy that he is. That's just who John is. John heard the bells. John heard the bells, and when you hear the bells, you know the war's over. He played to the whistle. Daenerys played until after the whistle. 15-yard foul on her first. Is that why everybody came after me? Because the bells mean that the war's over? Yeah. Surrender. So that was the surrender of the city.

So they put their swords down, and then she went off. Oh, shit! That's a very different episode now that I think about it. Oh, it all makes sense. Oh, my God. That's why we do this. That's Kawhi's fault. That's a very different episode now that I think about it. Oh, it all makes sense. Oh, my God. That's why we do this. That's Kawhi's fault. That's Kawhi's fault because you were watching the first 20 minutes of the episode explaining the bells.

Oh. So that was, yeah, the whole buildup was Tyrion was like explaining to her like, hey, if you hear the bells, they're going to surrender the city. So it's yours. So there's no need to go ham and psycho bitch like she did and just burn everything to the ground. Oh, so whenever i tweeted that the dragon ain't got time for these hoes and i started getting buried by throne or twitter about how there's no um uh nobility in what was happening or no honor or whatever i i had to take it down because i only i strictly pander to the throne twitter i don't try to

piss them off i guess I didn't fully get it. So that's why everybody's mad at the dragon thing because of the bell thing. Oh, it all makes so much more sense. The whole city was pretty much fine except for some exterior wall damage. But now she wants to rule the city. There's no city left to rule. The little fella didn't die

by the way. No, he didn't. And even what made it worse with her doing that, right before they go he was just like all right bells ring they're surrendering we all got it you clear bells ring they're surrendering we stop attacking okay go and then she did what she did she snapped though like that's what that was the build-up to the season was uh her her hand or her handmaiden misande like her trust advisor gets brutally murdered right in front of her. Jorah, one of her other trusted advisors, dies. She doesn't know if she can trust Tyrion. She doesn't trust

Jon anymore. So it's like anyone that was helping her out and protecting her is gone. And Varys turned on her. So she snaps and loses her mind. That makes sense to me. Well, and if you watch it throughout, she's always had shit like that where she's talking about, we're going to burn cities and leave it in rubble.

That's what I've been saying this whole time. Yeah, exactly. She's had those people that have said, no, you can't do that. But I think the biggest thing people are saying is that none of it feels earned because it's like a condensed season and everything, which in a sense, I guess, is okay. But there's fucking scraps all throughout this show that show that that was her. Maybe it was a little rushed, but everyone could see that coming. So who's all left? Arya hopped on the horses in the back.

Correct. The little fella. Yep. The lady that was on the goddamn thing. Yep. And then the blue-eyed lady died because of a brick. She was dancing with a guy, right? Right.

Her and Jamie, they died. That was my only real complaint. I feel like a lot of people think she probably deserved a more horrible death because of all the terrible things she's done. But then when you think about it, being crushed by a castle is a pretty terrible way to go. Doing it that way in there with Jamie was a cool way

to do it. How about Arya waking up from a catnap there, running a 4-2-40 out of a tower. Going to try to save a life. Almost getting her head cut off. And then surviving a dragon blow. And then all of a sudden she's still alive. Hop on a horse, ride off.

What a bad bitch. She's a badass bitch. I saw someone tweet that poor Arya, she's going to survive all the stuff. And now she's going to die from mesothelioma. Okay, so what are those four going to do? They have to go after her. Yeah, Jon's going to remove her from power. What color are her eyes? Jon who?

Green. Their green eyes? Yeah. The prophecy's yet to be fulfilled that Arya will close the green eyes. So she's probably going to kill the dragon lady. That seems too easy. Oh, Jon Snow's dead, isn't he? No.

How'd he survive? They ran out. They got out of the city. They had too easy. Oh, Jon Snow's dead, isn't he? No. How'd he survive? They ran out. They got out of the city. They had to retreat. They ran out. I thought he was dead. Once they started seeing the green fire exploding with the other stuff. What was the green fire?

Like little fireworks out of nowhere? Yeah, so it's basically her dad stashed, the dragon lady's dad stashed all that stuff underneath the city when he ruled. Just in case things went to shit he was just gonna blow up everything remember it was used in the battle of blackwater oh yeah yeah yeah i do recall that that whole thing so she's basically lighting off mines that are underneath that dad said that she wasn't aware we're there oh she didn't even know yeah she didn't know they were there it's a shame and then so once he saw that shit explode and he was like

all right fall back we got to get out of here here And now he knows like alright I gotta take her out So does Jon Snow's people die Or is he the only one Some of them did Not all of them though So Jon still has a little bit of an army A little bit but he also saw his army doing some bad shit too So I think he's in a bad spot

Wow Game of Thrones is a crazy thing How do you feel about the big guy fight The mountain and the hound Those are brothers right Why didn't he kill the lady whenever she walked by him How do you feel about the big guy fight? The mountain and the hound. Those are brothers, right? Yeah. That was awesome. The hound went out like a G. Why didn't he kill the lady whenever she walked by him?

He's mad who his fight was with. Yeah, he didn't care about her. Only cared about one thing. It was getting revenge on his brother. What? Because his brother was a bad guy. He was the one who put his head into fire when he was young. That's why he got the scars all over his face.

Oh, so when he spears him through that thing, it was like a moment of like, fuck you. Right. It was a big deal. Yep. Why wouldn't he die, by the way? He had a knife through his head. Magic got brought back to life by the guy who smashed his head into the wall. Oh, that was awesome.

His stupid dead body laying at the bottom of the stairs all crippled. That was awesome. That guy brought him back to life and made him inhuman. I love when he did that. Here's one thing, though. People were complaining about the writing, right? And so I thought about this. I thought it was genius in the sense it really made you question your morals and stuff.

Because I saw Diggs on there tweeting, like, I'm rooting for Cersei now. Everyone hated her. And it kind of did make you feel a little bit for her. I thought it was well done in that sense. They keep you on the edge and they keep twisting things. It's like, who are you supposed to cheer for? Who are you supposed to root for? Also, people are saying they're unimaginative and stuff like that.

I saw people were pissed because they're getting a Star Wars prequel series or something. You know how fucking imaginative you have to be to adapt that from a book into a TV show? It's captivated 20 million people. Exactly. Let's assume that just because they're mailing it in here at the end and it's captivated 20 million people. Exactly. Let's assume that just because they're mailing it in here at the end,

and it's the penultimate episode, shout out Ty Schmidt, shout out Rich Eisen. Definitely a listener of the show. Shout out Aaron Rodgers. He used it as well. Post said that as well. Aaron Rodgers, by the way, people were saying I was wrong about the photo that I posted. Billy sent me that photo and said it was him.

It sure looks like him. he was in there somewhere maybe maybe you just used a picture from the episode maybe there's a couple different ones ty and i were watching we were looking for him there were like four guys that definitely could have been him at any given moment what if they were they might have been he might have had a couple roles that's what i'm saying nobody knows because the the shirt he was wearing in the photo with the little red hat is definitely not the same thing he was wearing whenever he blew up and was running terribly. And if he's running terribly in that blow-up thing, what a great actor.

Somebody needs to hire him to do more acting if he chose to run like a slappy to die on TV. Hey, I didn't see it. Did they happen to accidentally leave anything in the shot? Like a Kia station wagon or a minivan? Nothing like that? The one character, Jamie Lannister, has a gold hand because he lost his hand in one of the shot. Not like a Kia station wagon or a minivan. Nothing like that. The one character Jamie Lannister has a gold hand because he lost his hand in one of the shots.

His real hand snuck in there. But who gives a fuck? I mean, if you're picking on stuff like that and that's ruining the show for you, go fuck yourself. Well, there's a lot of people that should go fuck themselves. I've been being attacked all day by the Throners. I know, right? I'm one of the biggest Throners out there. You are? Honestly. I like that they focused on the people in the streets while

she was in the air like they didn't they didn't show her in the air or the dragon burning shit for like 45 minutes they just showed like the chaos in the streets i thought that was a cool way to do it i didn't fully understand why it mattered what was going on the street when you got a dragon up there you know what i mean oh as far as like the war in the streets i mean yeah who cares i mean because once that thing just decides oh it's over you know what i mean like hey all these swords that we're talking about let's put our swords away real quick because there's a uh there's a fucking uh jet engine about that's kind of what happened like when they put their swords down they knew that that was going to happen so they were like oh fuck it but then

they ended up just getting killed anyways i'm just saying in general i guess because the night king could throw a deep ball that's why everybody up just getting killed anyway. I'm just saying in general, I guess because the Night King could throw a deep ball, that's why everybody was scared of the dragon. But I'm just saying in general, it's almost like robots replacing humans nowadays. Like those dragons can replace an entire army back in the day. Oh, for sure. I don't know what. Well, they made them vulnerable with like the crossbows and then the Night King thing.

So it was like, okay, yeah, it's up there, but they can still be killed. So there is a chance. So we have to fight at least. Of course. Yeah, all of a sudden, they just couldn't shoot with a shit. They were one for one.

She changed her tactics, though. So that's what happened when she, last season, she lit up the Lannisters' entire forces. She takes Drogon

and comes straight down from the sun so you can't see him, can't really get a beat on him. So she was changing elevation. Drogon is the dragon down from the sun so you can't see him, can't really get a beat on him. So she was like changing elevation. Drogon is the dragon? Yeah. Clever little name.

Drogon. Yep. Fly in a serpentine fashion. So they can't hail Mary or heart. There's one more episode. What's going to happen? Who's going to be on the throne? We'll never know until we watch on Sunday night

at 9 o'clock Eastern Standard Time. HBO Go crashed for some people. That sucks for you. throne we'll never know until we watch on sunday night at nine o'clock eastern standard time hbo go crashed for some people that sucks for you let's hope that kawaii leonard doesn't drain a doink doink doink doink the doink kerplunk and miss 22 minutes of the first episode can't wait to see what happens at the end of thrones i'm guessing little fellas on the throne wow he was just walking all by himself there for a while. He seems the safest. Arya seems like the easiest answer, right?

Because she's doing so much. She's boning. She's Night King killing. She doesn't want it. I think Sansa's going to be it. I think it's going to be Bran, actually. Give me Jon. Where was Bran at?

Still in Winterfell. But I think it's safe to say that everyone that was there that doesn't want to see her on the throne is heading south to King's Landing. That's another thing. I saw a lot of people complaining about, like, oh, what's Bran doing? What's Bran doing? Like, I think his part's already done. His whole thing there was to, like, learn the history and become the Three-Eyed Raven,

and he eventually tells Jon that he's the heir, the true heir. I think that's all it was for Bran, was, like, that was the big mission. Let Jon know that he's the true heir, and then you don't really need Bran anymore after that, to be honest. Fucking wheel his ass off the throne. I still think we're going to get some payoff to that off-screen conversation he had with Tyrion in the second episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know.

I mean, you've been talking about it for three weeks. Since it happened, I was like, yo, what about that combo? Exactly. We need that payoff. I think we're going to get it next week. I think the little fella had a chance to end up on combo that the guy Exactly, we need that payoff. I think we're going to get it next week. I think the little fella had a chance to end up on top. He looks broken

just as a human. Well, he is broken. Those people have all died. His family's gone. The girl he put all his faith in is a fucking maniac. Who? Daenerys, the dragon lady.

Oh, that was his lady? Yeah, he's her hand to the queen. Yeah, I forgot that. I forgot about that. What a superpower Bran has is so stupid. He was An. Yeah, I forgot that. I forgot about that. What a superpower Bran has. It's so stupid.

He was Ancestry.com for that. Fuck it. You want to know your true heritage? All right. Can't wait to watch the... What is it? Not a season for that. Series finale.

Series finale. I can't wait. Aaron Rodgers dead though? We know he's dead? Yeah, he's dead. We don't know. Well, you're right. We don't.

Aaron Rodgers potentially. He could come back. Potentially he's on the throne. I want him to throw a spear so bad. I know. Would this tweet have done well yesterday? I thought Aria was dead like two different times. And I was going to tweet out, uh man i wish the night king was

still around so we could see aria again as a dead girl right bring him back bring him back but then she wasn't dead so every time i was gonna go pander to put that out it just didn't in that like 15 minutes though before you saw her again it probably would have went that probably would have done it probably would have went yeah yeah probably would have done well. It probably would have went. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought so, too. I feel pretty good about that. Just in my mind, I thought it would, because I know just a little bit about this show,

and I feel like I could have used all the little pieces that I know about it, put it together. I know Arya moves the needle. She does. Arya moves the needle on the Twitter. I knew that the Night King guy had an army of dead humans, newly deads, and you put those together. Now we bring her back to life just so we could see aria again but she's still alive she is so maybe i save that one for next week when she dies to the little guy

is the little guy gonna kill anybody not normally i want to see a corgi on the throne you learn all right see you next week uh no see you on thursday hashtag end gang hashtag end game uh send us a picture of who you think is going to end up on the throne and why ty will read through them if you like your answer i'll send you some merch cheers have a great tuesday ty schmidt hit the music Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh Day and night, I toss and turn, I keep stress in my mind, mind I look for peace, but see I don't attain What I need for keeps this silly game we play

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